Armor

[Anonymous No.3268836]

Post shit about armor and discuss.
I'll start off with a couple of paintings and some reference images.

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You must pay me 500 Microsoft points to view this image.

[Anonymous No.3268857]

How does one come up with such advanced armor designs like pic related that nothing that exists irl comes close to, yet looks fucking awesome?

[Anonymous No.3268861]

>>3268857
another example

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>>3268851
FUCK that's nice
My kind of exhibition

[Anonymous No.3268936]

There's something really unappealing about pic related that kind of makes me not want to look at it. I can't quite put my finger on it.
Help me out pls.

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>>3268936
Those cuts and dents are way too pronounced.

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Someone mind explaining these two? They seem to hold some important information:

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>>3268936
>the armor looks like somebody took tank plates and reshaped them into armor
>good luck moving your arms in that shit
>good luck bending over in that shit
>good luck running 100 m
>top of shoulders protected like it's the most important part of the body, meanwhile, neck right next to it waiting for all the ricocheting blows off from the shoulders because there is nothing to redirect them, like, you know, those things on the sides of the shoulders
>the ''helmet'' it's an hat made out of metal
because of it's weight and little contact with the head it will fall of easily
>hands look like asking to be chopped off
hey, atleast he got his balls protected, he knows his priorities

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>>3268968
what does this gookshit say?

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>>3269108
gook is not used for japanese

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>>3268968
>boob plate

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>>3269113
nipshit then.

[Anonymous No.3269119]

>>3268836
Somme good armors in this post anon
Here's a cool helm for you

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>>3268836
All i really know about weapons and armors

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>>3269123
>using shield
git gud

[Anonymous No.3269141]

>>3268965
no problem with arm movement, the artist just wanted to draw something that in the century he tries to mimix was fashionable. He obviously failed to realized what it is about but still.

Bending over is probably not a problem either, there were sevaral examples of similar armour

Running won't be a problem either

Helmet again is something that during that time was common but the artist failed to realize how those actually worked, and drawn a bastard child instead of a copy.

Hands weren't armoured that much in this period so no problem with that.

tl;dr the reason this sucks is because the artist had just enough idea about what he is doing to go into uncanny valley

Also: the knee protection is bullshit.in this form

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also if I'm here I might as well dump some armour pic. If someone wants some specific armour of needs explaining then just tell me, I might even be able to help

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have to go back to work now, will be back

[Anonymous No.3269206]

>>3269141
I can't believe you are defending that shit, while at the same time posting proper armor. You truly, my friend, must be blind.

Look at the guy on the left, the straps on his shoulders are like 5 cm wide, while the original goes from his neck to over his shoulders. He won't even be able to beck his neck to dodge a head blow or rise his arms to defend that same blow. His single form of defense is moving aside, but in case you don't know, conquistadors relied on dense formations, that means no space for left, right or back. And bending over? you can forget about it too. The proper armor has an inside arch at the waist level, where the body bends over. Because it's an inside arch there is some space between the body and the armor (except the waist part) those allowing some joint movement inside the armor. Our ''spectacular armor''? has only an imitation, and even if it was a proper arch, because it's lower, sitting on the hips, it would even make running bad. Unless you call running like a `50 movie robot proper running then yeah. Hands? Those guys have gambeson, while mister fantasy puffy pillows, just look at that texture. And speaking of texture, did this just just fought a jedie? Look at that long line on his left ''belt'', nothing would do that to a metal plate unless a few hundreds or even more celsius grades or acid. There is the thickness too. And I am not even going to speak about that hat.

His knee parts are actually good

That guy should stick to his fashion design, because I bet my left nut that's his background.

Overall, if you want to make a armor smith laugh, just show him that pic.

[Anonymous No.3269209]

>>3269145
>jesus monkey in armor

that might not be what that pic actually is, but it gave me a great idea

[Anonymous No.3269229]

>>3269206
>Look at the guy on the left, the straps on his shoulders are like 5 cm wide, while the original goes from his neck to over his shoulders.
What the guy is missing is a gorget, not wider straps. You are thinking of early 17th armours.

>and even if it was a proper arch, because it's lower, sitting on the hips, it would even make running bad
it's not on the hips. Look at the codpiece and the elbows. It's roughly the right height, obviously not perfect but you can see the guy who made it tried and failed. And that's what I'm talking about it's not a complete pile of shit, it's a failed shit that could have been good.
If you really want to complain about something then do it about those abortions of tassets he has at the sides.
Also nobody is wearing gambeson neither on the original pic nor on the one I posted.
These armors doesn't even require heavy padding.

>His knee parts are actually good
doesn't existed in this form, and will be uncomfortable as fuck, will move away from position after 10 meters of walking.

[Anonymous No.3269258]

>>3269229
you are making it sound like has some small flows but which don't make the armor completely unusable. I would rather go naked in battle than trust my life on that.

>What the guy is missing is a gorget, not wider straps. You are thinking of early 17th armours.
I don't care how they are called, the upper things which connect the front and the back of the armor are too wide and limit the range of movement in both neck and shoulders

what you posted covers more and it's more mobile too. The straps are thin, and the shoulder plates are exactly that, plateS, meaning more than one, which allow movement between each another, and is not one thick piece of metal going from one side to the other


>will move away from position after 10 meters of walking.
we don't know how firm or lose those straps are, had there been just one strap the thing might have jiggle, but that's not the case

>will be uncomfortable as fuck
we see nothing which might prove that point, had the straps go round the back of the knee or something then yeah. Neighter do we know how well padded is or not

>doesn't existed in this form
that's the most close to reality part from that armor

if you take something and keep all it's characteristic elements but drop all functionality you are not making an case of uncanny valley, you are making a clown

[Anonymous No.3269267]

>>3269229
>it's not on the hips.
draw a line, it's at the forearm level when it should be elbow
>tassets
while we are at them we could mention the shoulder flappers too, no function while adding weight and being annoying too, but are not the worst offenders
>Also nobody is wearing gambeson neither on the original pic nor on the one I posted.
they might not, but here is truly a case of uncanny valley

[Anonymous No.3269285]

>>3269258
>I don't care how they are called, the upper things which connect the front and the back of the armor are too wide and limit the range of movement in both neck and shoulders
you should care because that's what you described, but obviously there were several version of it. And as I said he clearly needs one.
Also agreed that the drawings shoulders were shit.

about the kneepad: even modern ones have these problems with rubber bands and various other methods of straping. One piece of metal and two straps won't make it better. I've seen people try to make stuff like these for larps, cosplays, even for HEMA and SCA.
tl;dr version is, if you need knee protection it needs to be attached to something to be comfortably sit there, preferably some other leg armour piece

>draw a line, it's at the forearm level when it should be elbow
yes it's not in the perfect place. That's what I said. It's not on the hips but neither at the end of the ribcage. Inbetween that is less then ideal but more than completely wrong.

[Anonymous No.3269306]

>>3269285
>that's what you described
I am not that good with name of armor pieces, I google gorget and that's not what I was referring to. While he is in big need of neck protection, and while there must be cases of gorgets connecting to armor around them, what I was talking was not of what he doesn't have at whole, but of what he has too much, too wider ''shoulder straps''

the kneecap is not directly on skin, if the cloth offers some padding and the straps are firm enough, I don't see why 2 straps are not enough. You are free to prove me wrong.

>Inbetween that is less then ideal but more than completely wrong
fair enough

[Anonymous No.3269367]

>>3269306
here is a very simple gorget, and also kind of early one as far as gorgets were used.
Mainly protects the neck and immediate surroundings from front and back.
But later it went further down to protect the upper half of the breast overlapping with the breastplate, and also went further out to the sholuders so you can attach to this the shoulders and arms instead of an arming doublet, and even later the shoulders were integrated to the gorget, sometimes even with upper arm protection too. Also sometimes breastplates had integrated gorgets not separate part.
Then around then the 17th century it went out of style and the neck and shoulders started to left bare apart from the cloths or maybe a buff coat or something similar.

About the kneeprotection the problem that it has weight, even more than plastic ones. And that will drag it down, and yes even through clothing and padding. As long as your knees are bent it's okay, but if you are standing or just slow walking it will start to move out of place. You ould tighten the straps of course but that also makes it uncomfortable to your leg...

[Anonymous No.3269371]

>>3269367
ehh, messed up a little on that pic is one that you already attach the shoulders to the gorget.
Anyway, here you can see one that has integrated shoulders and upper arm protection

[Anonymous No.3269372]

>>3269371
and here you can see that around the 30 years war, gorgets went out of fashion/use because war has changed

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>ignores own instructions
Damn.

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Christ, I hate when shitters who can't draw make tutorials. Takes a new kind of delusion.

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>>3269113
same thing

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>>3268836
How do I render armor with pencil without busting my balls too much?

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>>3269402
Post your tutorials.

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>>3269159
Nigga looks like a salt shaker.

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>>3269172
Is that seriously a medieval floatie?

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>>3269725
we have no idea, it was in a siege engineer promotional book without any added text

[Anonymous No.3269883]

Thanks for these, lots of useful pictures.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEuhKRhrvRM
The one thing this thread is missing is how to actually put on the armor.

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Solomon J Solomon study

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>>3269149

Why the armors are black in some paintings?
I never understood

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>>3269883
well I have way more pics but have to get some sleep. Anyway if there will be specific requests I can post those. Like what kind of armour, or in some pose, etc

[Anonymous No.3269936]

>>3269930
because those armours were black.

Here is the fun fact: most armour had colors. But some retard like Sir Walter Scott from the 18th century decided that knights must be in shining armour. He and a lot of other people who also worked at museums scrubbed the fuck out of the armours so they were all shiny and everything.
They scrubbed off paint, gold, silver and various other stuff.

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>>3269930
Rust protection.

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>>3269942
nah, they got it covered by other means if it was necessary. It was mostly fashion

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>>3269169
I do like the 1200's look.
But man, that dude needs to either hit some weights or wear an aketon underneath.

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>>3269182
Kastenbrust, or as I like to call them, stealth bomber tits.

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>>3269372
>because war has changed
... War... War never changes...

[Anonymous No.3270596]

>>3270580
he has just as much padding underneath it as it was needed and used. Also it's XIII. century.
But according to sources and evidence people didn't really used more padding under the armour for this. Very thick textile armours went outside of the chainmail

[Anonymous No.3270607]

>>3270596
>Also it's XIII. century.
Yes, the 13th century was the 1200's.
>he has just as much padding underneath it as it was needed and used.
Do you have any sources to back that up? Because from my research there is nothing conclusive about the "right" amount to wear underneath. My thoughts thus far are that it was of differential thickness but it's overall pattern was similar to their dailywear tunics.
>Very thick textile armours went outside of the chainmail.
Agreed. A gambeson is a good example.

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>>3270607
well, mostly the found skeletons and surviving chainmail examples exludes anything really thick (as thick as some reenactors like to wear) plus there are a bunch of stuff that points to this (paintings, statues, I kind of remember some sentences from written sources) but none of them as strong in my eyes as the skeletons and chainmails.

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Cool shit. Can I have the artist's name please?

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>>3268861
this is how you do furry shit without it looking degenerate

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I thought maybe it was a critique of someone else's work

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good thread
posting a few things i have

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Requesting pics of drawings of armor rendered in pencil since I can't find any good ones on my own.

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>>3270501
>armour articulation porn

[Anonymous No.3270898]

d-dont give women boob plates pls

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>>3270898
Joan was a cute.

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R8 my unpractical fantasy shit

[Anonymous No.3270950]

Can we get more angles, (drawing purposes)

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>>3270924
Skeleton jelly?

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>>3270710
what is the leather looking section on the leg for?

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>>3268857
Just throw random shapes onto the figure until you find something appealing? Aside from kneepads, that looks more like ornamentation than actual armor. Just strap some baubles onto your dude.

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>>3269936
my whole life is a lie

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>>3271969
You should try reading more then.

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>>3269936
Is this true or are you beimg sarcastic?

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>>3272402
Yep, it's true.
Well, most of the time it wasn't painted, but depends on the time period and place. Paint was mostly used on helmets as far as I know and in a few exception at other parts too, but breastplate and most of the armours were either got with some method gold and/or silver (and sometimes copper but that's entirely different) layer. Then there was the heat treating process, which could get you very fancy colors if you knew what to do. That basically gives a few microns thick layer which is pretty easy to scrub off.

But here is an example of a helmet after decades of museum care

[hungarian LARPfag No.3272471]

>>3272469
and here is an image made by computers that shows how does it looked like back in it's time

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>>3272471
and here are some of the colors you can get with heat treating.
Now obviously wasn't all of this was used because it's pretty fucking hard to get all of them without modern precise forges, but it's far from impossible

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>>3272480
Oh yeah and I forgot the method when they simply burned something on it or used acid.
Acid was mostly used to etch pictures or writing into the armor but in some rare cases it was used to "color" it to some degree.

But burning linseed oil on an armour gave it a nice black/bluish color which also gave a protective layer from rust, but more importantly was fashionable and cool during some time.
The heat treating method I mentioned above also gave a protective layer, but that was way thinner and more expnesive so it was used for really high end stuff. burning oil on it was usually for the lower grade stuff, but not excusively

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now, obviously wasn't ALL armour colorful. That's far from the case. There were a shitload of plain armour and just as many shining ones that were polished to some degree, sometimes mirror polished.
It's just there were a shitload of colorful ones too.

Also sometimes armours lost some of their colors simply because half a millennia went by. On this pic is gearge clifford's armour, or to be more precise, one of it's armour sets. Seems pretty dull but I already posted the reproduction of this which shows how it would looked like back in it's day >>3269613

[Anonymous No.3272502]

and I also have to mention that sometimes various fabrics were used to cover armour, or even leather. In some cases this was practical because it hold together the little pieces like with jack of plates or coat of plates or to some degree brigantines and a bunch of more
example

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>>3272502
and sometimes it served purely fashion purposes to cover your already high-end armour with some very expensive fabric. And might as well throw in some pearls or even gemstones

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I probably missed at least a dozen other method but the bottom line is: there were a lot of colorful armours back in the day, one way or another.
At least in Europe, I'm not good with other continents, but as far as I know the rest of humanity was also in for colorful stuff

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>>3270701
Japanese can't do that.

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>>3271470
judging by his stance above it looks like that spot would invite a lot of attacks

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>>3270898
>tfw she was probably an ugly sjw

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any good pics describing the different styles of armor in fashion in different places/times?

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That's tragic. Shining armour looks shitty

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>>3270666
>implying i wouldnt fuck both

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>>3270924
new nidus skin looking great

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>>3272938
I only have a bad pic. It's pretty much shit in terms of what it actually wants to show, which is the evolution of armours, but at least it's an eye-opener.
Anyway it lacks a lot and sometimes the connection it draws are just plainly wrong. Sometimes even the dates...
It's made nearly a hundred years ago so it's not really up to date.

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>>3273290
and here is the book it's from. be critical about it when he doesn't mention sources
http://www.muraditutti.it/biblioteca-militare-virgilio-ilari/ancient-military-history/ancient-armor-and-weapons/1920_DEAN_Helmets-and-Body-Armor-in-Modern-Warfare.pdf

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>>3268851
Wy does he have a shield? I always thought such advanced full plate armor made shields useless.

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thanks, I've been looking for this book

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