/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3267052]

ITT: /ic/ memes you wish you had fallen for, ones you wish you hadnt, and ones you are glad you did. and also post your work

i'll start
wish i had fallen for no rules only tools
wish i hadnt fallen for asking for crits on /beg/
glad i fell for grinding fundies

[Anonymous No.3267079]

>>3267052
>wish i hadnt fallen for asking for crits on /beg/
What's wrong with this one?

[Anonymous No.3267086]

>>3267052
Asking for critiques from beginners.

That's right, there's nothing like passing around mistakes among yourselves. That's how you learn to get better.

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.3267213]

>>3267052
Glad I fell for abandoning pencil and drawing in pen
Glad I didn’t fall for reading the sticky
Sad I fell for stop copying / studying and draw from imagination
Sad I didn’t fall for LAS

[Anonymous No.3267248]

>>3267052
>ones you wish you hadnt

Life.

[Anonymous No.3267254]

Fallen for and regretted:
>Don't draw what you like to draw! GRIND FUNDIES FIRST!
>Do not draw in color, learn to draw values / draw in greyscale.

Fallen for and glad:
>Vilppu
>life drawing

[Anonymous No.3267271]

Glad
>A3 or larger
>memegrip

Regret
>going on /ic/

[Anonymous No.3267277]

>>3267052
Glad
>Vilppu
>Pencil before Digital
Not Glad
>Loomis - not for everyone
>Studying Stylization before Realism - still unraveling that
Wish I had fallen for
>Drawing NSFW

[Anonymous No.3267278]

>>3267277
wrong image
>inb4 no wonder ur art sucks

[Anonymous No.3267283]

>>3267248
m8

[Anonymous No.3267317]

>>3267254
>Don't draw what you like to draw!
that's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard
who the fuck thinks this is useful advice?
if you don't draw what you like, why the fuck are you drawing?

[Anonymous No.3267323]

>>3267317
I still hear it all the time on the board: don't draw animals until you can construct, and know perspective!
Don't draw anime until you master anatomy!

[Anonymous No.3267332]

>>3267317
>>3267323
I don't understand how people can actually be this retarded and not think for themselves. And it's not even what people are told.

It came about because aimlessly drawing bullshit leads to no progress.You don't work on anything and nothing is accomplished. So it's better to apply some practice to what you do. What retards think is "I can't draw what I want to draw while applying these exercises that will make me better"

[guy No.3267340]

>>3267323

never heard the former, unless you started to draw yesterday maybe.

plenty of people who started with anime who never succeeded in anything but weeb scribbles. that's half-what i did actually because of an unsuccessful attempt to make art my job, now i have to go back to basics. i did study the basics before though.

its wasteful to try to draw like someone skilled (a japanese animator, say) before you actually are.

[Anonymous No.3267345]

>>3267278
can't you stop shilling your fursona?

[Anonymous No.3267348]

>>3267345
>and also post your work
You can have this instead if that's what you're into.

[Anonymous No.3267350]

>>3267254
>Don't draw what you like to draw! GRIND FUNDIES FIRST!
Said no-one ever. It's just how people who can't handle critique like to interpret it. It's possible to grind fundamentals and draw what you like at the same time.

[Anonymous No.3267352]

>>3267348
You are much better at drawing your fursona than humans. Still...

[Anonymous No.3267354]

>>3267352
Thanks, I'm tryna better understand how to draw furries.

[Anonymous No.3267383]

>>3267350

lmao this
just grind fundies WHILE drawing what you like
for example, I love cocks
so I got really good at drawing tubes and other rounded forms
now I'm fucking great at drawing cocks
but I'm also not half bad at the rest of the body because people are just tubes anyway

[Anonymous No.3267394]

>wish I had fallen for
Doing figure studies, my gestures and proportions suck

>wish I hadn't fallen for
Concept art, I can't get Feng Zhus voice out of my head, he is a part of my soul now

>Glad you fell for
Las, got in lots of mileage

[Anonymous No.3267453]

>>3267052
>i wish i hadnt fallen for: practice 24/7 and no breaks ever

>glad i listened to: the fundamentals are the most important

2900 sunday (CAPTCHA KNOWS YOU)

[Anonymous No.3267483]

>>3267254
>Don't draw what you like to draw! GRIND FUNDIES FIRST!

Nobody says this shit. The whole point of grinding fundamentals is so your can draw what you like better.

>Do not draw in color, learn to draw values / draw in greyscale.

Actually a good advice. Values are important. If you don't know your values you're just going to be diddling around with colors.

[Anonymous No.3267494]

>>3267483
I noticed that I worded that wrong, but i feel ignoring color for a long time was absolutely detrimental for my art.

[Anonymous No.3267498]

>>3267317
What's the point of trying to draw something if you don't understand the fundamentals? You'll just waste your time.

[Anonymous No.3267501]

>>3267494
It is, but the first couple months are hard enough and no one wants to look at something that is bad on levels it doesn't need to be.

[Anonymous No.3267512]

>>3267498
>What is drawing for fun
How does it feel to be dead inside, anon?

[Anonymous No.3267513]

>>3267512
Why not both? Aimless doodling is fun and all but I don't particularly enjoy the result.

[Anonymous No.3267514]

>>3267498
That depends. I'm not going to trash somebody who enjoy doodling weird circles while on the phone. It's only when they start complaining about why it didn't turn out like pro art and want me to view it as an equal alternative that I might decide to share my alternative and more well-informed opinion.

[Anonymous No.3267516]

>>3267513
Yeah man, I totally got that, more fundies understanding leads to happier results, but the post I responded said >What's the point in doing it if you can't do it right?< and that's a pretty toxic idea, drawing anything is not a waste of time, even if it is crap you can still use it to know where you are lacking in

[Anonymous No.3267521]

>>3267516
It's retarded, but somehow also true. It only applies to /beg/ though, which is all half the anons here know. Also I'm pretty sure you replied to a troll.

Still, "stop bullshitting, look at other art, and learn how it's done" is useful advice. The problem is that the autistic neet and schizophrenic quotient here is higher than /x/ and they can't process it. So you get the shitpost you quoted and anons that believe it to be true as written.

[Anonymous No.3267528]

>>3267512
What's the point of working hard on something if it's just going to be shit?

[Anonymous No.3267534]

>>3267528
even if its shit it will have elements that are good, or be a good and inspired concept
you can always redraw it later

you have to train your imagination too

[Anonymous No.3267548]

>>3267534
But I absolutely hate putting in a lot of time and effort and having next to nothing to show for it.

[Anonymous No.3267549]

>>3267548
Sounds like a personal problem. How do you cope with individual studies being essentially the same thing?

[Anonymous No.3267555]

>>3267549
Because they're just studies, practice exams. Drawings are the real deal and are supposed to be good.

[Anonymous No.3267557]

>>3267555
Says who? You have some fucked expectations.

[Anonymous No.3267558]

>>3267548
wrong attitude. You are not entitled to get better just from work hard. But if you draw with curiosity and experimentation then you will get better through play. If the process is not a game for you then you will never reach the higher levels. Drawing shouldn't be something you have to force yourself to do if you hope to get there.

[Anonymous No.3267562]

>>3267555
Real deal to who? Only for you unless you sell them. You make it sound like it's a frigging school test or that something really important depends on the outcome.
Chill out and enjoy what you are doing mate

[Anonymous No.3267565]

>>3267562
How do I do that?

[Anonymous No.3267567]

>>3267317
>>3267323
>>3267332
>>3267383
>>3267483
There's literally a guide that keeps getting spammed that says to spend a few hours a day grinding fundamentals first before drawing what you like. I have a feeling though that this guide is more for the creator to show off their art book collection and they haven't even followed their own guide.

[Anonymous No.3267575]

>>3267567
You may want to read what you posted, it doesn't say that at all. Now we know what the problem is, reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.3267586]

>>3267254
>>Do not draw in color, learn to draw values / draw in greyscale.

This really isn't bad advice. It simplifies matters considerably, and values ARE more important than colours. Greyscale work is the easiest way to get the concept.

Your palette can be all over the place but if your values line up fine it'll probably look fine. If your palette is excellent and your values suck your work will still look bad.

[Anonymous No.3267587]

>>3267567
In a way. I doubt they are sharing the process they went through themselves and instead are just trying to come up with a process they think could make more sense as a learning approach for new people (Which may not be true).

[Anonymous No.3267718]

>>3267586
Na senpai
Values and Colours are the same thing, learn them together

[Anonymous No.3267727]

>>3267052
What /ic/ memes are there, except for Loomis? I read him about 10 years ago, it was fine, but I didn't care that much.

[Anonymous No.3267729]

>>3267718
That'll just confuse you, because of different colors requiring different values to reppresent them. It's easier to learn values and general color theory and then understand how to combine them.

[Anonymous No.3267816]

>>3267718
oh really?

[Anonymous No.3267855]

>>3267816
That awful composition.

[Anonymous No.3267933]

>>3267718
youre a dummy poopyface if you really believe that
i mean i also think people should learn them together but "values and colours are the same thing" is one of the dumber things ive read today

[Anonymous No.3267936]

>>3267718
This, they're the same things, light and shadow. One is just heavily desatured, usually to the point of null.

[Anonymous No.3267941]

i like this meme

[Anonymous No.3268024]

I wish I had never found /ic/ at all.

Everybody here forces memes down your throat like they're the absolutes to drawing even though in the grand scheme of things they're very niche expressions of learning art.
There's so many other different ways to learn and understand concepts fundamental to art. Most successful artist that didn't follow the /ic/ way to get gud, and in the 5 years I've been here I haven't seen /ic/ produce any great artists either. That should tell you everything you need to know. It's the blind leading the blind.

[Anonymous No.3268026]

>>3268024
Nobody is going to get good with a soulless, technical no fun approach to art.
All the good artists that post here had a strong foundation to begin with.

[Anonymous No.3268395]

>>3267729
>That'll just confuse you, because of different colors requiring different values to reppresent them.
That results is so much awful greyscale to color work. It's better that people learn that about value and color to begin with so they don't go trying to make a gold shield yellow but it ends up looking like a turd. Color relativity and the relationship of color and their "hue value" are the most important parts of color work in my opinion. Value is still incredibly important to learn first but I think color gets held off far too long if someone is working primarily in digital.

Here's an example of what I mean. I constantly see colorized greyscale work and its hallmark muddy colors. People far too often give you a process but don't explain the vital parts of the process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQOFPraUNoQ#t=1m52s

[Anonymous No.3268400]

>>3267816
It bothers me too much that people pay so much money for this migraine inducing shit.

[Anonymous No.3268405]

>>3268395
This is a result of never learning to draw & paint from real life. With traditional materials.
A year of painting still lives teaches you all about colour mixing & how to see colour, judge values, what to ditch from you pic & composition, how to suppress values, what colours to enhances, etc,
Then when you want to create something, you use that foundation to make the work believable.

[Anonymous No.3268415]

>>3268405
a non-trivial amount of people don't have traditional materials or instruction to learn from.

[Anonymous No.3268425]

>>3268415
What, while they ARE able to find a computer or tablet? Let me mail them a pencil in this terrible dystonia where traditional learning is banned from being studied...

[Anonymous No.3268489]

>>3267855
>>3268400
Maybe. But for a search it popped up nicely as a way to display the impressionistic idea. It has produced some really beautiful stuff but the search engine is wonky in that area for some reason. Up until that point most stuff was brown and heavy with flat shadows

[Anonymous No.3268526]

>>3267567
>art has an exact path that must be followed
Retarded.

[Anonymous No.3268529]

>>3267567
>read and study all these figure drawing books
lmfao why
hampton's is the only one on the list that isn't full of useless esoteric bullshit

[Anonymous No.3268902]

>>3267254
>>Vilppu
I find the videos so fucking dull, it takes him an hour to say something meaningful. How are they good?

[Anonymous No.3268910]

>>3268902
Speed them up.
The way he explains gesture and drawing the figure realy easy to follow for me.

[Anonymous No.3268913]

>>3268910
k thanks for the tip m8

[Anonymous No.3269053]

>>3267052
loomis

[Anonymous No.3269060]

Glad I fell for
> Read the sticky
> Watch Zin Lim
> Read G.E Hicks a guide to figure drawing
> Read Secrets of the Old masters by Albert Abendschein in order to learn how to paint like them
>Read A manual of oil painting by John Collier

Glad I didn't fall for
> People on Beg who critiqued my work in a such way that the critique wasn't of any use, but couldn't post work of their own to compete

[Anonymous No.3269350]

>>3269060
>>3267213
post your work

[Anonymous No.3271160]

>>3269350
>this kills the thread

[Anonymous No.3271270]

>>3267052
Op do you have a blog? I like ur classical sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.3271316]

>>3267565
that's something you'll have to figure out for yourself. i did not too long ago, and i'm much better off for it

[Anonymous No.3271644]

>>3267052
>wish I hadn't
Trying Bridgman without any understanding or boxes and box duplication/subtraction in perspective
>glad I did
Pirating lots of books and learning how to use a grid in perspective from robertson and kranz

[Anonymous No.3271695]

>>3267213
do you know any good artists who do their work primarily in pen? Clean/intricate designs and such

[Anonymous No.3272042]

>>3267079
pretty much only begginers and those who have only just risen above beginner tier art browse /beg/, as such there is a lot of advice that is either A: unhelpful, convoluted, not explained well enough, or is otherwise unusable, or B: has a lot of vitriol and ego behind it, which you can imagine means /beg/ is the crab capital.

no doubt there are some kind souls who browse /beg/ here and there, but they are drowned out pretty hard by majority of crabs that browse that place.

[Anonymous No.3272101]

>>3271270
no, im still /beg/ and cant draw from imagination. you shouldnt be asking someone like me for a blog

[Anonymous No.3272138]

>>3267271
What’s good about the memegrip?

[Anonymous No.3272162]

>>3267394
>Las
>>3267213
>LAS
?

[Anonymous No.3272167]

Glad I fell for
>muh realism

Glad I didn't fall for
>loomis

[Anonymous No.3272169]

>>3272167
They are both the same thing though.

[Anonymous No.3272217]

>>3272162
Last Artist Standing. It was a website that you had to upload art to every single day, recording your streak. A competition of sorts, the longer you lasted, the better. The original website died, two members created replacements which then died as well. As of now LAS is pretty much dead.

[Anonymous No.3272691]

>>3272167
op is what falling for loomis looks like btw

[Anonymous No.3272950]

>>3267352
It's not a fursona. It's from a nip vn called morenatsu.

[Anonymous No.3272963]

>>3272950
no 1 currs

[Anonymous No.3275227]

>>3272138
Drawing primarily from your shoulder and elbow, not the wrist

[Anonymous No.3275403]

>>3275227
Not sure why you aren't shifting grips