/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3265423]

This is pretty shitty.

[Anonymous No.3265432]

Yeah, it's not just furry porn, yeesh.

[Anonymous No.3265434]

>>3265423
fuck time to backup the good ones before they dcma the shit out of them

[Anonymous No.3265440]

Porn is degenerate anyway, these purveyors of smut belong on the streets.

[Anonymous No.3265455]

>>3265423
>copying = stealing
>lost sale fallacy

[Anonymous No.3265460]

>>3265455
fuck off with that bullshit, just because not every pirate would be a sale there's no indication all pirates would not buy by default

[Anonymous No.3265464]

>>3265455
Posting images off a paysite into a free site IS STEALING

[Anonymous No.3265465]

>>3265460
>half-lost sale fallacy

>>3265464
>

[Anonymous No.3265468]

>>3265423
>It's fake
figures.
you retards will fall for everything.

[Anonymous No.3265470]

>>3265468
yiff party is real

[Anonymous No.3265471]

>>3265465
>>3265455
Bypassing a Patreon pay wall to redistribute commercial content for free without permission is a violation of just about every copyright law that has ever existed.

[Anonymous No.3265478]

WHAT DOTH? LAYFE?!?!

[Anonymous No.3265487]

>>3265471
What if you find the concept of copyright to be bullshit? The whole point is that you can't profit off a physical copy of someone else's work for a number of years. Free versions, especially free versions of intangibles, was never even a consideration and makes not a single lick of sense.

[Anonymous No.3265504]

Wow that's horrible. What's the name of this website so I can stay clear from it?

[Anonymous No.3265511]

>>3265464
>into a free site
>>3265471
>for free

It's funny you emphasize that when it's far less egregious than the alternative: copying someone else's content and making people pay money to access it.

>copyright law
Here's a lawyer way smarter than you are who has a few things to say about that.
https://youtu.be/7Q25-S7jzgs

[Anonymous No.3265513]

>>3265504
article says its yiff.party
so glad they gave me the name of it. ill be sure to block myself from accessing it. give the name to all your friends so they can definitely block it as well!

[Anonymous No.3265516]

>>3265504
yiff.party (no really. I know it sounds like a virus site but that's it. it has non-furry stuff as well)

[Anonymous No.3265581]

>>3265423
I though Patreon banned porn?

[Anonymous No.3265584]

>>3265455
Copying would be someone using it as a reference and drawing their own you faggot.

[Anonymous No.3265676]

>>3265516
How much non-furry content are we talking here?
I've been looking for patreon rips but they're super rare.

[Anonymous No.3265680]

>>3265455
>>3265465
>lost sale (((fallacy)))

When's the last time you bought a dvd, faggot? lol

[Anonymous No.3265688]

>>3265581
There was a huge backlash and they pulled that back.

[Anonymous No.3265689]

>>3265511
>Here's the one guy who supports my point of view and goes against literally everyone in the whole world with a Law degree, it sure legitimizes my point guys
fix'd

[Anonymous No.3265692]

>>3265423
Late for the party I see?
>tfw your on the good list and you can sometimes get lucky on free shit if the artist is unaware of yiff.party
>Get to join their discord servers and get free art critiques

[Anonymous No.3265696]

They needed a article like this new we can hope it gets more attention and will get dmca and removed

[Anonymous No.3265703]

>>3265680
What's your point? The lost sale fallacy is called that because you're not actually losing a sale, were piracy not available the pirate would simply not consume that media.

[Anonymous No.3265713]

>>3265423
Fucking tubular wish I new this site earlier

[Anonymous No.3265720]

>>3265455
You know how I know you're not a professional artist?

[Anonymous No.3265724]

>>3265703
>were piracy not available the pirate would simply not consume that media.
That's nonsense and you know it. Some pirates would pay, some pirates wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.3265728]

>>3265724
The scumbag cheapskate pirate does exist, but they're the tiny minority.
Most people that consider something worth buying will buy it (if they have the means) - they're not gonna go "oh I really think this is great and worth paying for but since I can get it for free I'll just pirate". Most people when not being able to pirate something are just shrugging and saying "oh well, guess I'm just not gonna get that".

I know I've looked specifically for patreon rips before and when I couldn't find any, guess what I didn't do? Pay for the patreon afterall. I just went "oh well, too bad".

[Anonymous No.3265729]

>>3265703
Uh, that's not the case at all. This idea that for lack of piracy pirates would completely opt out of consumerism and sit huddled together around campfires in their living rooms burning up their furniture for warmth and telling eachother stories like the pioneer days if they didn't have access to free stuff is bullshit and you know it.

>inb4 you cite some kind of self-reported survey as evidence of anything

[Anonymous No.3265733]

>>3265423
>The makers of these images are fur-ious

[Anonymous No.3265736]

>>3265729
You don't seem to understand the argument or severaly underestimate just how much shit you can get for free.
Can't pirate movies or shows? TV exists, Youtube exists, all sorts of free webshows exist.
Can't pirate music? Radio exists. Youtube exists.
Can't pirate games? The internet is full of free games and not just flash shit, every other online game is F2P.

It's not like without piracy you're left to huddle around campfires. That's why piracy is very rarely a lost sale. If pirates didn't think your product was worth paying for in the first place, removing the option of piracy is just gonna get them back to actually free stuff.

[guy No.3265743]

>>3265703
>Adding "fallacy" to something makes it logically wrong

>>3265728

You know what's actually a fallacy? Anecdotes. You, personally, not paying for a Patreon doesn't mean nobody pays for exclusive work.There's a reason me and other artists don't just put up our work for free and use it as a tipjar, a ton of people would simply ignore the patreon.

[Anonymous No.3265747]

>>3265743
It's logically wrong because every study on the subject has shown piracy to have a negligible negative if not positive effect on sales.

And I my experience as an example of the mindset, not a justification of the argument. And frankly I don't believe patreon has done as much for artists as one might think at the first look. I think the vast majority of your typical contributors were people likely to commission shit in the first place, I will admit however that the way patreon is structured, it made that initial hurdle of turning people from fans into customers a little lower.

[Anonymous No.3265749]

>>3265511
I support fair use and all, but if I can't make money from my artwork because it is spread for free, I have to do full time job and not produce content anymore.

[Anonymous No.3265754]

>>3265749
You don't make money from your artwork because people feel it's not worth paying for, not because it's spread for free.

[Anonymous No.3265755]

>>3265676
im a bondagefag and a good amount of artists I watch have their patreon stuff on there

[Anonymous No.3265762]

>>3265754
I play some obscure visual novels, and the ones I couldn't find for dl, I bought.
If they were up on torrent, I would not have bought them.

[Anonymous No.3265785]

>>3265762
Some pirates put on airs about how "they wouldn't have bought it anyway" but many of them also turn around and say "if you buy something (anything) when you can get it for free you're stupid". So there you go.

[Anonymous No.3265789]

>>3265692
>wants to get good at art and make money
>unironically ruins the industry he wants to make it in by pirating stuff instead of supporting it
Good luck "making it" when nobody pays for your stuff because it's been shared for free.

[Anonymous No.3265796]

>>3265789
who said I was looking to make money, this is just a hobby for my fetish art

[Anonymous No.3265799]

>>3265789

>implying artists live from Patreon and not private commisions.

Let me tell you why you're a retard...

[Anonymous No.3265824]

>money
Why can't you just do something because you enjoy it?

[Anonymous No.3265856]

Its simple i make stuff and i demand money for it. And i built a vip area where only people who pay can see it. Its my art and i have the copyright so I'll choose if i want people to pay for it . You don't want to pay fine don't buy it. But you cant steal it. This is to simplified but i feel like it's needed in that heated discussion where people are like( meh its furry porn who cares.you post ot on the net you lost all copyright by that. I don't pay for porn. )

[Anonymous No.3265859]

>>3265824
Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life - Confucius

[Anonymous No.3265896]

>>3265859
Turn something you love into something you hate by making it your job - Anon

[Anonymous No.3265903]

>>3265896
>>3265859

debating/arguing about whether or not one should make their passion a job is a waste of time

it literally depends on the person and nothing else

[Anonymous No.3265918]

>>3265824
because you have a limited time to
>become good at art
>make money
>socialise / have a family

[Anonymous No.3265923]

>>3265423
this is good, this is very good

[Anonymous No.3265942]

>>3265755
Can you suggest some artists?
Asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.3265947]

>>3265942
fav ones are
wtfeather
LayerIndustries
xxoom

[Anonymous No.3265949]

>>3265947
Nice. Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.3266028]

>>3265703
This. This. This. It's the same concept as when the whole pirates of the Caribbean debacle went on. They wouldn't lose any sales even if the "hackers" leaked out the whole movie early because people who pirate aren't going to buy the tickets in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3266037]

>>3265824
Cause you have to pay bills. If you like drawing thats good .if you can and want to earn money with it why not. Maybe it stressful but so is every other job

[Anonymous No.3266043]

Gerphs comics are always reposted here on aco.

[Anonymous No.3266052]

>>3265736
>TV exists
...which costs money.

>youtube exists
Most things worth watching on youtube are only uploaded there illegally.

>free webshows exist
That's valid, people do sometimes make quality stuff and put it online for free.

>radio exists
lol

>the internet is full of free games and not just flash shit, every other online game is F2P
Yeah, thanks for driving the video game industry to the F2P model, asshole. The most consistent way for a studio to be profitable is to have a required online component and to stuff the game full of microtransactions. The few whales who spend thousands of dollars on items keep the game free for everyone else.

Overall, I don't think your entertainment is as free as you think it is.

[Anonymous No.3266057]

>>3265680
I bought the Cornetto trilogy last month. Worth the money.

[Anonymous No.3266258]

>>3265754
We talking people here, it's stupid to assume a single viewpoint for everyone on the subject. Some may be do feel like you suggest, some may not. There is also a side effect to unregulated spread of content as it can be edited and misrepresented easily, like people trying to claim it as their own and such.

For example look at sites like funny junk that literally steal from each other and other content CREATORS at a speed of light to keep their content up to date. Sure, it may give some """"exposure"""" for creators, but most people won't even bother checking them when their goal is to consume said content and move along to the next one.

Both positive and negative views on piracy has some basis behind it, however due to the quantity of ways it affects almost everything regarding content creation, distribution etc it is rather hard to say that it's like 100% bad or good. IMO it fuck with money making hard in some cases, in other may even promote the product. Either of those are more of a extreme examples, however.

I'd imagine most of the time it's like most people will buy what they would buy, some of those will opt to piracy no matter the moral implications, people who won't buy it will pirate it, some of those will buy it.

And some content is just very abundant as is, so not many people are even willing to pay for it when there is so many free stuff out there.

[Anonymous No.3266276]

>>3265511
>lawyer
>uses AMV (anime music video) to make a point
the cringe is unbelievable

[Anonymous No.3266295]

>>3266052
Plus to use youtube and flash games they either have to pay an ISP or a cell company. But I bet that's a non factor to them because mommy pays for that stuff for them. I can't imagine how else anyone could develop this kind of completely self centered disregard for anything or anyone around them otherwise. I'm sure they don't use stolen computers, wear stolen clothes, or eat stolen food. I bet they're well taken care of. Anything they consider entertainment should be theirs to take though. People should be happy to dance for them and be glad to get a glance. Asking for a penny for their effort is an insult. Entertainment isn't a """real""" product, even though there's demand for it. It doesn't matter if it's custom made for someone who traded their hard earned money to have it specially made for them either. Only they who sit in their rooms all day living off their moms know the true value of hard work.

[Anonymous No.3266300]

>>3265824
My brother likes cooking. He shouldn't be allowed to open his own restaurant because he enjoys it? He enjoys it and it serves a need that people want served and opening a restaurant allows him to share that with more people than he could on his own. Having people pay for it allows him to actually buy the supplies and ingredients he needs. Should he turn to the farmer who provides the crops and meat and say hey, you enjoy farming don't you? That's its own reward, stop charging for what you produce. Then I guess the farmer should turn around and ask for his fertilizer and mulch for free and the gas for his tractor or thresher or whatever for free, and most importantly for the government not to tax his property cause hey, governing is fun right? Things. Cost. Money. You can argue all you want that everything should be free but until it _is_ people _have_ to charge for what they produce.

[Anonymous No.3266334]

>>3266295
Youtube does make a profit with advertisements though, so does television. There are ways to make money without charging the consumer directly or even at all in case of advertisement. It's not to say that I do fully understand the infrastructure behind the entirety of it or how do they cover their expanses and the extent of their expanses\income. If you feel like providing some numbers I would appreciate it since I'm a lazy fuck and couldn't care less as to go google it myself.
>>3265729
Depends on the product in question. Lack of piracy would stimulate freemium, f2p and other such products and models creation and use while also encouraging completely free solutions, like Linux, to be developed more to fill the void.
Free stuff like music, video games, art etc would be harder to get as the supply will be shorter relative to the regular free stuff plus pirated, but not impossible either.

Sure, people will opt for consumerism but the quantity of said people is speculative with either side representing the number to fit their viewpoints better as far as reaching extremes like everyone\nobody.

>>3266052
>Most things worth watching on youtube are only uploaded there illegally.
If you deem such content worthwhile, then it is. It depends on what people are seeking.

[Anonymous No.3266344]

>>3265423

Not taking sides on the piracy debate, but this is a board where the most popular and long running thread is for sharing book scans. The irony is palpable.

[Anonymous No.3266346]

>>3266344
It's only ironic if you believe those who are here to completely support everything the board has which is like completely supporting every law a country has no matter how right or wrong.

[Anonymous No.3266351]

>>3266346
Of course it's ironic, because there isn't arguments like this one in every book sharing thread. This issue of copyright and piracy only becomes notable for you guys under very specific circumstances.

Which I understand. The irony comes from the absolutism and self-perceived expertise with which people make their cases.

[Anonymous No.3266352]

>>3266300
>He shouldn't be allowed to open his own restaurant because he enjoys it?
It's not a matter of allowing someone to make an organisation in order to maintain a property to hold any and all necessary items for their activity based on their sympathy towards said activity. Government won't ask you whether you enjoy your business or not when they provide you with the ability to make one.
>He enjoys it and it serves a need that people want served and opening a restaurant allows him to share that with more people than he could on his own.
While true it is not necessary for him to establish a restaurant to pursue his goal of cooking. You intertwine the need to spread his cooking like it is essential to his goal which is not stated in the premise.
>Having people pay for it allows him to actually buy the supplies and ingredients he needs.
True. On the other hand there are more ways to achieve his goal then opening up a business. Like he could work as a chef, or have a job to sustain his interest financially and\or with products necessary (like growing your own plants).
>Should he turn to the farmer who provides the crops and meat and say hey, you enjoy farming don't you? That's its own reward, stop charging for what you produce. Then I guess the farmer should turn around and ask for his fertilizer and mulch for free and the gas for his tractor or thresher or whatever for free, and most importantly for the government not to tax his property cause hey, governing is fun right?
Each of those have different values and hardships required to sustain and produce. While it is possible to ask someone to draw a picture for free of charge or even cook something it is far less so compelling to do with asking someone to build a house or secure an acre of land as exclusive for your use only. On top of that there is also quality of said service\goods that also influence how hard it is to provide, which influence whether they need to charge money for it or not.

[Anonymous No.3266365]

you know a thread goes to shit when it turns into just W A L L S of text

[Anonymous No.3266369]

>>3266365
>discussion is bad m'kay

[Anonymous No.3266374]

>>3265487
thats just your opinion, not law.

[Anonymous No.3266376]

>>3266369
>implying people want to read paragraph after paragraph of /ic/ autists arguing with a bait poster

how many times will /ic/ fall for the 'art should be done for free' meme

[Anonymous No.3266378]

>>3266376
It's always a new poster every time, it just so happens to be the same place. It's good for setting examples.

[Anonymous No.3266379]

>>3266374
Aren't laws just an enforced opinions?

[Anonymous No.3266389]

>>3266378
>it's always a new poster
anon, please, i know you cannot be so gullible !

[Anonymous No.3266395]

>>3266379
no. laws are what civilizations are build upon. They represent and reflect the moral and ethical guidelines of the community you are a part of.

Enforced opinions can be reduced to a lot of mundane common shit. Just because I enforce my opinions through my actions they don't become laws.

yw

Also, I've paid no attention to whatever discussion you are a part of.

[Anonymous No.3266415]

>>3266395
>They represent and reflect the moral and ethical guidelines of the community you are a part of.
Basically what that community deems as a proper ways to act in a certain scenarios.
>Enforced opinions can be reduced to a lot of mundane common shit.
And laws aren't cowering that?
>Just because I enforce my opinions through my actions they don't become laws.
There is some principal difference when the "moral and ethical guidelines" of others are enforced on you or others? Besides the part of it being enforced by more people.

[Anonymous No.3266417]

>>3265423
Who the fuck would want to pay for porn

[Anonymous No.3266459]

>>3266415
>And laws aren't cowering that?

Anon. The entire post was to explain to you that laws are more than "just" that. If you don't like the community we are talking about you can try abandoning your citizenship and find a cave somewhere. You argue like a stupid kid who have yet to move out into the real world and discover you are not one of the big guys and that to make sure people respect laws in general are for your protection, not oppression.

Anyway, this is boring.

[Anonymous No.3266836]

are they really mad about
F R E E A D V E R T I S I N G ? ? ?

[Anonymous No.3266888]

is bui a malicious shitbag or a belevolent saint?

[Anonymous No.3267197]

>>3265423
>pirates photoshop
>pirates hundreds of books
>pirates dozens of hours of tutorials
>omg someone is pirating my shitty furry art
lmao

[guy No.3267243]

>>3267197

It's like there's a link between being able to afford the previous things and the last thing.

[Anonymous No.3267299]

>>3265728
>but they're the tiny minority.
source: your ass

[Anonymous No.3267301]

>>3265824
cause we're all adults and not from rich families, plain and simple

[Anonymous No.3267320]

who gives a shit lmao

[Anonymous No.3267326]

>pirating fanart
lmfao
okay

[Anonymous No.3268474]

>>3265465
A lost sale is a lost sale, you can't say its only half

[Anonymous No.3268478]

>>3266028
I pirated toy story 3 and I still saw it in theatres

[Anonymous No.3268493]

>>3265434
>backup the good ones
>furry porn

[Anonymous No.3268502]

>>3265465
>>3265703
>>3265724

>f-fallacy!
Source: I am literally retarded

[Anonymous No.3268534]

>>3265423
Find a better audience; not all fans are equal

[Anonymous No.3270601]

>>3265688
fucking sad.

[Anonymous No.3270814]

>>3266395
Wrong.
The whole idea that other individuals should have the power to enforce their judgement on others for "their own good" is nonsense.

[Anonymous No.3270824]

>>3265423
good, fuck all the paywall shit.

[Anonymous No.3274240]

>>3265824
Because people who already own 80% of the world's money expect us to pay them for food and a roof. And you can't make digital art without at least a computer, electricity and the internet.

Give people UBI and we can stop worrying about that and companies can stop having to be sold to larger conglomerates because they're not selling enough shit.

[Anonymous No.3274553]

>>3266276
>cringe

[Anonymous No.3274558]

>>3265824
Pretty much. An artist who needs to be paid money to create is not an artist.

[Anonymous No.3274562]

>>3265460
>>3265680
>>3265724
>>3265729
>there is an undefined margin of people that m-might have bought it...
Air tight argument there champ

>>3265689
>>3265720
Notn a argument :^)

[Anonymous No.3274600]

>>3274558
nice pie chart, except it's proven retarded.

All hours are not equal, you have peak productivity hours which you essentially sell to your work.

Divide 37 by 10 and you get the number of real spare hours people have to pursue something as aimless as art.

[Anonymous No.3274609]

>>3265733
kek

[Anonymous No.3274626]

>>3274600
>you're not productive if you aren't at peak productive hours
Lazy mentality.

[Anonymous No.3274654]

>>3274600
ngmi