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Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:10:25 2018 No.3263070 [Reply] [Original]

Can you go from mediocre to elite level in one year?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:12:09 2018 No.3263072 Define mediocre and elite.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:13:26 2018 No.3263074 >>3263070 no

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:14:12 2018 No.3263075 >>3263070 No. it doesn't take forever, but a year is too short.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:14:16 2018 No.3263076 >>3263070 Yes /sage

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:14:33 2018 No.3263078 >>3263070 If by mediocre you mean better than porn on /co/ tier, then two years. Minimum. Then you could probably get a paying gig doing illustrations you don't want to because that's what jobs are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:15:01 2018 No.3263079 File: 148 KB, 923x608, woemen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3263070 Yes, with a combination of autism and a severe quirk of fate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:41:43 2018 No.3263118 >>3263070 It would be extremely difficult

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:42:41 2018 No.3263120 >>3263070 No

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:43:10 2018 No.3263121 >>3263118 If the person was really crazy about it they could do it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:43:52 2018 No.3263122 >>3263121 How to become really crazy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:44:40 2018 No.3263124 >>3263121 It's not about the work, you are unable to absorb the experience that fast. You cannot go from mediocre to elite anything in a fucking year.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:45:26 2018 No.3263127 >>3263070 yes but it requires a large amount of sanity

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:49:01 2018 No.3263137 >>3263122 Hard work, divine intervention, violent trauma, crack cocaine, very rich benefactor, national scandal ect. >>3263124 Yes, people can. Obviously not you, but other people could.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:49:47 2018 No.3263139 >>3263127 Okay, then what?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:50:52 2018 No.3263141 >>3263137 >Yes, people can. Obviously not you, but other people could. Ok, name some.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:51:18 2018 No.3263145 File: 17 KB, 268x284, 1459673845223.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >it's another "op realizes there is no magic pill" episode

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:53:20 2018 No.3263150 >>3263079 Why is Southern Europe not on this?

Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:56:11 2018 No.3263159

Yes, but it requires reading text on it for at least an hour a day along with about 5-6 hours a day of practice along with it. NO OT just practice things you already like to draw...this is where most people get into a rut. If most people on 4chan spent the time drawing that they do shitposting they'd be excellent at it pretty quickly.

Also, draw with a pen (even a bic pen is fine) and on a large surface. You'll be excellent at drawing if you approach learning it this way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:57:15 2018 No.3263162 >>3263159 *DO NOT

Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:58:21 2018 No.3263164
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>>3263141
Francis Bacon was unbelievably mediocre, until he had his break through. The same with Jackson Pollock. As for other professions, I don't remember the top accountants that blitzed it in a year but if I went through a paper's register and obituaries I'd find somebody that turned it around that quickly. Please don't bother me again with this topic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:58:37 2018 No.3263166 >>3263141 literally like a one billion person could do that the guy youre responding to would probably have like 3 whole examples

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:59:48 2018 No.3263170 File: 2.61 MB, 335x500, 1506627737206.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3263070 Yes but you must have an IQ above 170.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:00:22 2018 No.3263171 >>3263150 >top-selling female artists. © artnet Analytics 2017 No female artist from southern Europe broke in the top 25 global art auction figures for 2017. It's that basic doryo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:01:08 2018 No.3263174 File: 14 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3263164

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:06:33 2018 No.3263184 File: 117 KB, 1024x768, 1424827581870.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3263164 >Pollock

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:09:57 2018 No.3263189 File: 308 KB, 628x750, POLLOCK_ORANGE_HEAD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3263184 >what?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:13:40 2018 No.3263195 >>3263193 So dynamic, so much energy. How does he do it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:14:26 2018 No.3263197 >>3263193 >abstract expressionist fags will defend this

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:16:50 2018 No.3263200 File: 335 KB, 1024x821, larger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >it was a 'thing' that had a moment

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:17:32 2018 No.3263201 >>3263195 Hard work and diligent practice for 52 weeks.

Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:18:25 2018 No.3263204

>>3263159
Not true. Did this for a year*. I improved a lot, but I'm still mediocre at best.
I'm moderately intelligent and a fast learner, but I didn't even scratch the surface of what it takes to become an expert.

My estimation would be at least half a decade of dedicated practice, unless you're some kind of savant or genius.

People here underestimate the time it takes to get good massively. You can't compress milage and experience. The information alone isn't enough to get good in a year, even if you already have a basic knowledge.

*of course not in your proposed schedule, but close. Ranging from 12+ hours a day when I was a NEET to 2-4 hours when I started working fulltime.

Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:27:10 2018 No.3263221

>>3263204
Then what does it take to become an expert? How would a savant or genius do it? If people underestimate the time it takes to get good, then what is the right estimate? Why can't you compress mileage and experience? Why isn't information alone enough?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:32:33 2018 No.3263227 Sinix said he went from a noob to getting comissions from EA in six months. He's never given an answer except that he did a lot of grinding. I'm really curious about it tho

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:32:45 2018 No.3263228 >>3263221 >Why can't you compress mileage and experience? Why isn't information alone enough? >the absolute state of /ic/

Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:37:24 2018 No.3263234

>>3263227
Yeah, and Frazetta learned Bridgman in a night and just drew everything from memory without ever studying it.

Either you misinterpreted him, or he's a lying cunt, just look at his sketchbook vids. The first one was done in the course of a year according to him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:40:23 2018 No.3263239 >>3263070 Yea but you'd have to do studies everyday and a good teacher to give constant critiques

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:44:06 2018 No.3263245 >>3263239 How willing are teachers to give quick answers rather than tell you to go study it for yourself?

Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:47:42 2018 No.3263252

>>3263245
Not that anon but in my experience, they were very willing to sit with me and show me what I was doing wrong and how to fix it / what to study and even gave recommendations for books when it was too much subject matter to cover in the time they had to talk to me.

It depends on the teacher and how much they care about actually teaching their students.

>>	lord maul Thu Jan 4 22:51:53 2018 No.3263256 i feel like every one is better at art than me. art is the only thing im not complete rubbish at my problem is im improving at a slower rate than everyone else art is the one thing i have considered as a carer

Anonymous Thu Jan 4 22:54:41 2018 No.3263259

>>3263256
If everyone was better than you, then that means even people who can't draw are better than you and that makes no sense. You can not improve slower than someone else because you are you and only you can improve yourself. Luckily for you, art can be a career.

>>	lord maul Thu Jan 4 23:03:06 2018 No.3263268 >>3263259 thank you that means a lot to here someone say that.

Anonymous Thu Jan 4 23:06:21 2018 No.3263273

http://fzdschool.com/entertainment-design/before-and-after
These are cherrypicked examples of progress of 1 year of 16 hours a day with professional guidance meant to sell the program to you.
Basically the worst shit they scribbled out in the course of the year and the best thing they produced while there.
Presumably these are noob gains from /beg/s or semi-/beg/s.

http://fzdschool.com/advanced
These are the result of the previous 1 year program + 8 months at the school.

These people are driven enough to go to fucking Singapore and invest probably $100k+ to work 16 hours a day learning this shit.

Would you call these guys "elite"?

A regular art academy is what, four years?
And you need to pass an admission test and have a portfolio of classical studies to enrol.
Those don't really shit out masters, either.

The volume of things you need to internalise to produce "elite" (which I'm assuming is extremely impressive but not quite master-level top 15% of art or something along those lines) is MASSIVE.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 23:09:04 2018 No.3263277 >>3263118 For you

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 23:32:49 2018 No.3263304 >>3263273 >1 year of 16 hours a day with I find this hard to believe. Studying so much must be counterproductive. You also need to get around 8 hours of sleep and sleep is very important for learning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 23:33:17 2018 No.3263305 >>3263273 What is extremely impressive but not quite master-level? What is master-level?

Anonymous Thu Jan 4 23:56:27 2018 No.3263322

>>3263305
>What is extremely impressive but not quite master-level? What is master-level?
I literally said the top 15%

>master
>mastery of art fundamentals where they apply to the artist's work

>elite
>very high level to near mastery of art fundamentals where they apply to the artist's work
Basically the top pros ranging from extremely proficient to borderline master. Karla Ortiz, Rapoza, Mullins, etc.

>skilled
Bulk of the pros, good, but not top picks

>mediocre
>mediocre
>ˌmiːdJˈəʊkə/
>adjective
>of only average quality; not very good

>/draw thread/

>/beg/

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