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Dear commission artists:

Nobody is obligated to pay you to draw. If one wants to, I am happy for you. If you make a lot of money from your art, more power to you. But if someone asks for a free drawing, you have no right to complain. Just as you have every right to say no, they have every right to ask.

First of all, perhaps that individual does not know that you treat every request as a commission. Flawed logic on their part? Yes, but maybe you should consider that hobbies are hobbies and they may not see art the same way you do.

Get off your high horse. It’s nothing to complain about - art has never been a lucrative business, and this is the path you chose. Doing shit like making strawman comics on your social media about the evil requester who asks for a free thing and you politely declining them is not only extremely petty, but your responses towards said individuals tend to be extremely sugarcoated on your part.

Tl:dr tough luck.

>> No.3238604

Post your work

>> No.3238609

>>3238603
This is a troll thread, don't waste your time with useless arguing SAGE and REPORT. I don't want to see this thread with 100s of replies next week. SAGE

>> No.3238616

>>3238603
fuck off cheapskate

>> No.3238676

>>3238609
but he is correct. Look i mean no offence but 99.99% of the people we all know and love who were animators or artist back in Newground,deviantart,tumblr and 4chan always interacted with people and created stuff for us. i remember when drawthreads first started and people would draw for us, but now they don't even come here anymore or give people the time of day. its like all the animators form Newgrounds who got famous and said fuck you( cough cough arin) and live of the fame we gave them.

>> No.3238699
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>>3238676
pretty shit bait

>> No.3238701

>>3238676
>guy coming to a drawthread to look for requests to draw
>guy having his inbox spammed by unwanted requests for free shit
Learn the difference

>> No.3238707

>>3238699
everything is bait if you don't agree with it then i guess.

>>3238701
years 1
>guy coming to a drawthread to look for requests to draw
year 2
>guy having his tumblr spammed by freeloaders.
now
>guy coming back to drawthread and being asked kindly by people if they could draw something for them only for him to call them freeloaders or say he only does commission.

i think your brain is fucked

>> No.3238740

>>3238707
You’re genuinely retarded, senpai

>> No.3238759
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3238759

This board is full of underage people

>> No.3238781
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3238781

>>3238707

>> No.3239016

Nobody is obligated to pay you to cook. If one wants to, I am happy for you. If you make a lot of money from your cooking, more power to you. But if someone asks for a free meal, you have no right to complain. Just as you have every right to say no, they have every right to ask.

>> No.3239021

>>3239016
Bake me cake

>> No.3239027
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3239027

become a good artist so you never have to commission or request anyone

>> No.3239711

>>3239016
>nobody is obligated to pay you to cook
nobody is obligated to cook for you

>> No.3240779

>>3238603
I see myself more of a writer which uses shapes

you don't go around asking ppl, when you hear they are writers, to write a short novel for you about your favorite character for free, do you?

>> No.3242018

Whenever I see a post starting with "dear" I feel that a metric ton of bullshit is on the way.

>> No.3242032

>>3238603
>tfw commission based artist
>all of my work has the "commission" tag first
>always get those people in my ask box wanting me to draw 2B or some shit or previous characters of drawing I did
>all they have to do is read my tags to see that they aren't my characters and that I was paid to do it
>I've answered a few times on my blog that I don't do requests and I link to my commission page.
>generally very nice about it but now I just don't respond to people being like, "wogh, can u draw that draenei from your previous pic fucking 2b? k thx bai."

>> No.3242057

>>3238603
If you ask a plumber to fix your toilet for free you'd expect them to complain about it and tell you "fuck no".

Artists have to make a living as well, free work wastes valuable time that they could be making money with their skills instead. You want stuff drawn so badly then go learn how to draw, you entitled little shit.

>> No.3242079

>>3238676
Arin stopped because yt isn't good for making money if you are making animation videos. didnt all the other ng animators drop off too.

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3242127

average free requester

>> No.3242130
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3242130

good times

>> No.3242131

>>3242127

Well, if you're doing commissions for panhandler change this is the level of clients you deserve.

>> No.3242136
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3242136

>>3242131
I agree, but I still find it very funny.

>> No.3242138

>>3242136
this looks like a troll. I hope.

>> No.3242139

>>3242138
I can independently confirm that autistic tumblr girls with unwarranted self importance act exactly like that.

>> No.3242142

>>3242136

Jesus

>> No.3242144

>>3242131
>implying scam projects don't exist
Do you heard about how Rapoza was scammed by White Wolf?

>> No.3242147

>>3242144

I don't think so, please explain

>> No.3242150

>>3242127
>>3242130
The block button exists for a reason. The internet is a tool that's taken the place of the antiquated asylum/padded room combo in sating mentally deranged retards and keeping them from being a danger to themselves and others; you have to keep in mind whenever you're talking to someone online they could EASILY either be straight up fucking nuts or even more likely just too stupid to waste time on. The second someone even hints that they're going to have a bad attitude to me they're fuckin' gone.

The last thing you want to do when you're talking on social media is automatically anthropomorphize the subhumans before they've proven that they're something more.

>> No.3242159

>>3242147
They didn't paid him for work. After 3 months of mailing/calling finally someone responded to him with "Oh wow, you still trying. Well today is your lucky day. Now get lost." and paid him half of sum.

>> No.3242172

>>3242159

Okay, no contract then I assume. I was screwed over for 30k because I naively at one pointed worked for someone who was a former associate of a friend and erroneously assumed that no contract was needed

>> No.3242173

>>3242172

*3k sorry

>> No.3242174

>>3242172
That sucks.
I fell for something similar and now I always make sure all parties involved know the conditions of the engagement when mixing private connections with business.

>> No.3242178

>>3242172
>>3242159
>>3242174
Internet is killing empathy in some people for sure. I bet IRL even without contract, most cowards are not brave enough to scam you like this in face-to-face situation.

>> No.3242180

>>3242178
In my case it wasn't outright scamming, just... let's call it "misunderstanding". One party thinking this is all a casual favour and me expecting proper compensation given the work and effort involved.

>> No.3242181

>>3242178
That's where it's even easier. It's all personal and shit.

>> No.3242578

>>There are people who seriously scam artists out of money

How poor and autistic do you have to be to scam people out of <$10

>> No.3242580

>>3242578
They probably think it's "funny"

>> No.3242611

>>3242580
Eh. If I like an artist enough, I'll probably tip them. There's no point in scamming artists out of money especially for $7

>> No.3243264

>>3242178
Wrong, people talk you into doing them a favor and shit. If you don't comply you're an asshole to them and if you tell them to pay you for it you're the asshole too. It's best to just be strict anyway. In the end I would likely draw a lot of stuff for free, it's practice after all, it's just when people expect you to do them a favour and then think you should be happy they even asked you to do it, while both of you know they're full of shit.

>> No.3243268

>>3242172
What the hell did you do that would justify 3 thousand dollars in a range where someone else would mistake this as a small thing.
I mean 3 k, damn dude, that must be a fucking huge ass canvas, because it you don't spend at least 30+ hours on that shit then 3k is quite hefty

>> No.3243274

>>3242127
You take 7 bucks? How long do you paint that furry faggot shit? 5 minutes? I wouldn't even pick up the pencil for that money, either people appreciate your work and your work is good enough to demand a price or it sucks and you should just study
Anything less than 20 bucks for an hour of work is fucking shameful

>> No.3243279

>>3243274
not my screencaps

>> No.3243360

>>3238603
>Dear commission artists:
>Nobody is obligated to pay you to draw.

That's as much as I'll read of this great wall of text. If you agree to a contract with a party, you better honor it. That's it that's all.

>> No.3243368

>>3238603
>Just as you have every right to say no, they have every right to ask.
Yeah just like I have every right to ask for free meals at restaurants, or free fares from taxis, or free service from plumbers and electricians.

>> No.3243373

>>3242127
I'm more concerned about the 7 dollar pricing desu

>> No.3243401

>>3242139
What a dark world we live in.

>> No.3243721

>>3242578
Who the fuck draws for less than 10 bux and why

>> No.3243727

>>3243721
People who don't understand art pricing and think that they'll get a higher volume of clients by charging less. Which is retarded cause when you think about it they're working their ass off for $10 when they could be doing it the smart way and calculating their hourly wages into a price per project.

Stupid deviantart-tier kids...

>> No.3243806

>>3243274
How much for you to pick a pencil?

>> No.3243839

>>3243806
I would say 15 bucks an hour at least?
I also wouldn't offer my services because I am not yet at a point where I would feel comfortable doing that. But hypothetically speaking 7 bucks per pop is a fucking joke, even if you suck ass, if someone wants to pay that, then he is straight up ripping you off because that's less than you'd make in half an hour at a fast food joint nowadays, which doesn't require shit.

>> No.3245003

>>3242127
>>3242130
>>3242136
>>3242139

Truly a terrible timeline. Can't imagine these dickweeds having the balls to act like this irl

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>>3238603

>> No.3245020

>>3243727
If you can finish a drawing in 5 minutes and charge $7. That's pretty good money

>> No.3245022

>>3242136
I've met musicians who tried to get free studio time and shit like this.

They're still working the fry machine.

>> No.3245023

>>3245020
You forget the part where they see something is wrong with it and tell you to fix it for free.

>> No.3245051

>>3245023
Well, Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

If you don't follow the original design and go off on your own ideas; you can't throw a fit when the consumer isn't happy.

That's like me asking you to draw an apple. You draw an orange and get mad when I ask you to fix it.

>> No.3245076

>>3245020

That's not very realistic. If you are good enough to draw something that looks finished in 5 minutes you should be charing more anyways, not less.

>> No.3245077

>>3245076
So if someone had a sign that said "Give me $20-$30 for 5 minutes of my time" would you do it?

$30 in multiple increments adds up.

Besides, no one can make a good drawing in 5 minutes.

>> No.3245300

>>3239027
That's the plan. I need to draw well enough to pass for gamedev'ing anyways