How to get good FAST guide!

[Anonymous No.3208522]

New years is approaching and I bet a lot of you young artists are wondering what the optimal schedule is.

Year 1(2018): Focus on your basic draftsmanship skills. Practice figure drawing along with studying perspective, anatomy and gesture .
Year 2(2019) Now add values. Review everything you learned so far but this time actually shade that shit.
Year 3(2020) Now add some fucking color. You know values so color should be easy!
Year 4( 2021) Now just refine everything. Get that anatomy looking extra good. Add that extra layer of photobash to bring your environments to the next level. Sprinkle some kjg autism with your figure drawing. Congratulations, you've made it.

[Anonymous No.3208531]

>>3208522
>schedule

Nonsense, the world doesn't wait for you. Anything will break your "schedule". Simply just draw and you'll know what to work on.

[Anonymous No.3208533]

>>3208522
Not fast enough.

[Anonymous No.3208537]

>>3208531
Just drawing is retarded. You won't get anywhere with that mentality. You need to set goals and meet them.

[Anonymous No.3208541]

>>3208537
>Just drawing is retarded.

The hardest thing about drawing is just starting to draw for the day. Most people here have a difficult time doing just that. Creating a guide is just a form of procrastination and has nothing to do with Goals. Goals are targets that can be exceeded and you can't exceed a goal point without drawing.

A guide is a slab of tablet like the 10 commandments set by God. Funny that, those commandments did not change. The same goes for art; the wheel needs not to be reinvented by a bunch of kids on /ic/ who are only setting you up to fail.

[Anonymous No.3208545]

>>3208533
Repeat after me frogposter!

NOT
GONNA
MAKE
IT

[Anonymous No.3208552]

>>3208541
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. There are a lot of trash artists on deviantart who draw all the time and don't improve.

If you want to improve at art or anything really at life you need to set goals and try to meet them. Drawing random shit every single day won't lead you anywhere.

[Anonymous No.3208555]

Find and pay for a mentor. That’s the best way to improve.

[Anonymous No.3208557]

>>3208552

Nobody said anything about drawing random shit. What part of >just draw< did you not comprehend? Let me explain it better for you
1. You stop posting
2. You pick up your pencil/stylus/vaginal dilator covered in plutonium colored jelly
3. You draw. You Take courses/read books on weekends or whatever day you set time for yourself. Watching a man draw should never exceed you drawing.
4. Oh my God the gains.

What part of that 4 step process is confusing or needs a group of losers huddled together to fornicate some "guide".

[Anonymous No.3208559]

>>3208552
If you are OP, you didn't set any goals either though. You just listed fundamentals everyone already knows you should study if you want to get good. A goal would be something like "be able to draw a complex interior and exterior in 3point perspective at the end of the year" or "be able to draw a complete turn-around of a human figure from a variety of angles from imagination".

Drawing random shit won't lead you anywhere, but studying random shit won't either.

[Anonymous No.3208562]

>>3208522
You're a tard

[Anonymous No.3208564]

>>3208557
I can't tell if you're trolling or literally retarded. What part of "just draw" do YOU not understand. Just draw can literally mean anything. You can just draw flowers and scribbles all day if you wanted. It's unproductive and will not get you anywhere.
>>3208559
Practicing figure drawing is a goal, dipshit. You go to a life drawing class or practice drawing from photos on the internet. That's a goal right there. It doesn't need to be as specific as you practice drawing the serratus anterior for 6.5 hours.

[Anonymous No.3208569]

>>3208564
>You can just draw flowers and scribbles all day if you wanted. It's unproductive and will not get you anywhere.

How are you going to get better at drawing flowers if you don't draw them? Drawing flowers is a dynamic sketching type of thing and teaches you valuable skill. Maybe try drawing some flowers instead of shitposting.
>It's unproductive and will not get you anywhere.
What are your goals then. If you want to draw capeshit because it interests you then draw that. Where is the missing link I'm not getting here or are you clinically mentally deficient?

[Anonymous No.3208574]

>>3208569
The missing link is deliberate practice and fundamentals you stupid fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.3208577]

>>3208564
>Practicing figure drawing is a goal

It's not. Practice is practice. You practice FOR a goal. An athlete trains so he can perform at his peak ability during competition. An artist hones his figure drawing skills so he can improve whatever it is he wants to do with his art.

[Anonymous No.3208578]

>>3208574
How can you do deliberate practice if you don't put a pencil in your hand and draw?

[Anonymous No.3208582]

>>3208578
By using your eyes to project rays and then carving that into a wall.

>>3208577
"I want to get better at figure drawing" is a goal you goddamn retard. Athletes have goals and subgoals. Their main goal may be making the nfl but a subgoal could be bench pressing 500.

[Anonymous No.3208583]

>>3208582

At this point I get the feeling you're trying to save your threads true intention. There are people on this board who get their jollies off by tricking people into spending a year (at least) of their life following a guide (you) helped create with the intention to mislead them.

Your hope is you can trick them long enough before they either catch on or give up entirely and become a crab like you as misery likes company. Because someone who actually, you know, draws, isn't this willing to be stupid.

[Anonymous No.3208585]

>>3208522
Does this schedule apply to a complete newbie who don't know how to draw anything but shitty scribbles?

[Anonymous No.3208586]

>>3208583
Breaking down something as complex as drawing/painting in manageable goals is so misleading. You're right, forget anatomy and boxes, just paint dragons all day from imagination, that's the secret to getting good!

[Anonymous No.3208587]

>>3208586

You're being intentionally stupid. Have fun making your guide; you aren't worth any more of my precious time.

[Anonymous No.3208589]

>>3208585
No, prepend 2 years to the schedule for stumbling around.

[Anonymous No.3208599]

>>3208589
>Year 1(2018): Read Keys to Drawings, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and practice fundamentals
>Year 2(2019):Go to Anatomy classes and practice, then practice using digital art to get used to it
Is this good enough

[Anonymous No.3208602]

>>3208522
>3 years until you can even complete a piece
just another day at /ic/

[Anonymous No.3208604]

>>3208602
snibeti snab

[Anonymous No.3208608]

>theorycrafting thread
>OP can't draw for shit

[Anonymous No.3208609]

>>3208602
i dont get this shitty ass new meme with crabs why are normies making shitty memes?

[Anonymous No.3208615]

>>3208609
>normies

[Anonymous No.3208618]

>>3208609
t. reddit

[Anonymous No.3208623]

>>3208545
n-not gonna m-make it...

[Anonymous No.3208626]

>>3208609
>crabs

[Anonymous No.3208629]

>>3208602
If you're a 500 pound man with diabetes who's never exercised are you gonna try to run a 10 km marathon on your first day or are you gonna start by taking it slow by walking every day then jogging then running a couple feet then maybe 1 mile, so on and so forth. There is so much to learn about the drawing stage. The goal with the first year is to make complete drawings not shitty fucking gesture scribbles. Do you realize how much knowledge you need to make a solid drawing? You need perspective, anatomy, proportions, shape design, composition, drapery, line weight, form, character design, the list goes on and on. Second year, you add rendering to the mix. Because you have an understanding of form, understanding rendering will be so much easier and you'll be learning a lot faster this way. Rendering in itself contains principles like values and edges which take years to master. Next you add color theory. Once you understand lightning, the rest is just changing up the hues. 70 percent of a painting is drawing. 85 percent is drawing and values. Colors is only the icing on the cake. Even Jeff watts recommends this schedule. If you can pencil render a drawing, painting it isn't hard. The problem with you dumbeginners is that you think polishing a drawing from the get go is gonna yield great results. If you lack basic fucking anatomy and form, you think shit polishing is gonna magically make you a better artist? And lastly, take Your fucking time. I'm sorry but you aren't gonna go zero to pro in 1 year by doing everthing. Even the famous algenpfleger had to study 12 hours a fag for 3 years to make it and he didn't even start from Complete beginner. Your typical untalented ic fag who puts in maybe an hour or 2 a day is gonna take a hell lot longer to get good. Be patient and take your time digesting information.

[Anonymous No.3208646]

>>3208609
when crabs are placed in a bucket, they pull each other down trying to get out of the bucket.

anyway OP guide is dumb, you don't get anywhere doing only studies and never any personal work

[Anonymous No.3208679]

>>3208646
I never said don't do personal work, I said focus on drawing Retard.

[Anonymous No.3208684]

>>3208522
Don't worry about any of these things. This isn't 1935. There are tools that do these things for you in 2017 so just focus on coming up with interesting ideas.

[Anonymous No.3208692]

https://track4.mixtape.moe/dyiars.pdf

[Anonymous No.3208697]

>>3208522
>studying perspective when clip studio paint has simple to use perspective rulers.

Why? Learn how to use the rulers and spend 15 minutes reading a web page about vanishing points and 1 point, 2 point and 3 point perspective. Done.

[Anonymous No.3208699]

>>3208697
>the tool does all the work

these are the people giving you critique

[Anonymous No.3208712]

>>3208699
>pretend it's 1935 and limit yourself to only things that walt disney or jack kirby did even though they were using the latest technology available to them at the time because they had ideas to convey and they weren't trying to waste their time.

Idiots are still making blog posts about assembling a 'photo reference collection' when google images exists. Crabs in a bucket.

[Anonymous No.3208714]

>>3208712

You're a faggot. Stay dead.

[Anonymous No.3208715]

>>3208714
cause im right and u mad

[Anonymous No.3208718]

>>3208697
This is why your drawings look like shit, anon.

[Anonymous No.3208723]

>>3208718
There is only one way to do perspective correctly. Either the lines match up with the vanishing points or they don't. How is using the most precise tool available to achieve this inferior to pulling out triangles and t squares that increase the margin for human error?

How can drawings in perspective, where the preliminary pencils use a digital ruler 'look like shit' when there is literally no margin for error?
You can't answer this. Correct perspective isn't a matter of creative interpretation, it's literally rulers telling you where lines ought to go.

[Anonymous No.3208728]

The mere fact that you think the concepts underneath perspective drawing are more complicated than a 20 minute read show how lazy and dull witted you are. Do you think it's magic? Does it require tireless hours of study and practice? Drawing figures in perspective is tricky, but that's an anatomy issue mostly. Once you have your rulers down, its not very hard to draw objects.

[Anonymous No.3208733]

>>3208723

[Anonymous No.3208734]

>>3208728

Then why do design students spend 8 quid on perspective classes if there were "secrets those damn perspective teachers don't want you to know" in a 20 minute read of PME? Oh that's right, perspective isn't just about vanishing points, now is it, Mr. Shortcuts?

Have you given the thought that Art isnt for impatient people like you? Maybe programming is your forte.

[Anonymous No.3208736]

Anyone here who unironically listens to OP is either a child or has never drawn.
Go ahead do what he says. Waste your time and forever limit yourself. It doesn't take that long to learn, and you don't learn by such limitation you learn through practice and guidance.
OPs time table should be set at the absolute maximum of one year. Just practice daily, take a course, a mentor is necessary since you can't eyeball your mistakes off the bat. If you don't have one post online for critiques. Guarantee you OP doesn't follow this shit because this is a shitpost, an unintentional unironic shitpost made by someone who can't draw.
Pic related when OP gets called on his bullshit.

[Anonymous No.3208739]

>>3208736
OP here. I can draw actually. I'm on the second year of my plan. Here is a sketch. Before this I was literally at zero.

[Anonymous No.3208742]

>>3208739
If you actually drew that and think there's nothing wrong with it, you've proved my entire point. how could you fuck the jaw that bad? Also
>no sig
>no timestamp
Well if you're gonna claim this shit works do an original drawing right now. Prove it.

[Anonymous No.3208743]

>>3208739
That's not even your work.

[Anonymous No.3208747]

>>3208739
Fake and gay, take your RP shit threads to r9k you know as much as a nigger knows about obeying the law

[Anonymous No.3208749]

>>3208736
There's literally no reason not to schedule your learning process if you want to master something. Yes just draw is the baseline, if you want to improve their are superior methods to learning than being scatterbrained. The Art of Learning mentions breaking things down into their simplest forms and mastering them like the op suggests, mastering gesture, line and human figure, then moving onto the value/rendering, then color. If you do all these things at once you're progress is going to be halted in comparison to mastering everything in it's simplest form because your focus is to wide spread. Dave Repoza formed a learning schedule, he went from armature to professional in 2 years, this could obviously be improved on.

Is op's schedule necessarily the best? No, he's simply proposing we develop a schedule for studying smart not hard.

[Anonymous No.3208752]

>>3208749
The art of sucking my ass lol

[Anonymous No.3208754]

>>3208734
>Then why do design students spend 8 quid on perspective classes
Literally idiots. Why do people spend thousands on classes to learn software that comes with manuals?

>perspective isn't just about vanishing points, now is it, Mr. Shortcuts?
It's literally just about vanishing points. If you need to go deeper spend an afternoon with the loomis book on perspective and you ought to know most of what you need to know unless you are autistic.

>Have you given the thought that Art isnt for impatient people like you? Maybe programming is your forte.
'patience' concerning mundane tasks such as ruling out perspective guides is for those who like to waste time on pretending to be old timey. There are ideas to be conveyed, yes I'm impatient to get them out of my system.

[Anonymous No.3208756]

>>3208749
>There's literally no reason not to schedule your learning process if you want to master something.
Yes there is. If you're a faggot beginner you cannot follow a "schedule". You mention Dave Rapoza...someone from /beg/ cannot follow the PIC I attached because their skill is limited. It'll take a year or 2 before they can religiously follow a repeating schedule like Daves.
>Yes just draw is the baseline
it is the flatline
>No, he's simply proposing
OP is a bubbling retard and so are you

[Anonymous No.3208759]

>>3208754
I spend 8 quid to suck my ass lol

[Anonymous No.3208762]

>>3208754
>Literally idiots. Why do people spend thousands on classes to learn software that comes with manuals?
To earn certification. Some jobs require being office certified or it helps with your resume. I don't think I need to explain why design students are taking classes to earn their degree.
>It's literally just about vanishing points. If you need to go deeper spend an afternoon with the loomis book on perspective
It's not.
>yes I'm impatient to get them out of my system
you're impatient to shitpost is more like it

[Anonymous No.3208763]

>>3208756
No one follows schedules like this. It's too robotic and boring. Learn things as you encounter problems while making your work as they arise.

[Anonymous No.3208764]

>>3208762
Lol who the fuck earns a certification for art? I'm certified to draw myself sucking my own ass like bro wtf lol.

[Anonymous No.3208765]

>>3208763
The thread is about goals apparently. Make up your mind.

>>3208764
you need to be certified to read properly

[Anonymous No.3208766]

>>3208762
We all know how very valuable art certificates are in 2017. Do you work for an (((art school))) or something?

[Anonymous No.3208767]

>>3208766
you need a certificate in reading

certificate does not equal degree

[Anonymous No.3208768]

>>3208765
You need to be certified to be certified, see I can reddit meme too.
Go certify my tongue in my ass lol rekt ggez.

[Anonymous No.3208769]

>>3208768

Keep talking dork. I'll get you banned in no time.

[Anonymous No.3208770]

>>3208767
Nice reddit spacing please go on about how complicated vanishing points are do enlighten me on the fine art of vanishing points (in my ass)

[Anonymous No.3208774]

>>3208769
Thanks for the (you) didn't know you were a mod. Impersonation is a ban worthy offense by the way, in my ass. You did say you would have me banned ergo you are claiming to have the power to do so, the only way to have that power is to be a mod.
Reported. In my ass.

[Anonymous No.3208775]

>>3208774
I didn't claim I was a mod. Announcing a report is against the rules.

[Anonymous No.3208776]

>>3208775
But you did, you did anon, and you did it in my ass.
Reported again. Go give a three hour lecture on vanishing points.

[Anonymous No.3208779]

>>3208776

[Anonymous No.3208781]

*Le breathes in*
*Le cough*
*Le picks up pencil then drops it in my ass*
*Le le*
Alright, now we can start.
Reported.

[Anonymous No.3208782]

>>3208765
>The thread is about goals apparently.
Make your goal finishing an art project. Any problems you encounter you solve them as they arise. Making artificial tables like this simply does not work and they make life a robotic hellscape.

[Anonymous No.3208783]

>>3208782
I don't need your shit advice. I was making a statement to OP.

[Anonymous No.3208785]

>>3208522
>optimal schedule

Currently reading a book about a specific physics exam. Author has 20 years of grading exams experience under his belt, so he must know a thing about the errors students most often make or what they shouldn't neglect to study. How do you know your schedule is optimal?

[Anonymous No.3208786]

>>3208783
Like are you not familiar with Daves own schedule? It may not be his because I just grabbed it off google but his looks exactly the same. I only posted it because the OP mentioned that artist although (you) don't know what the fuck you're talking about and just blabbing any name that comes to mind. done.

[Anonymous No.3208787]

>>3208782
>>3208783
FUCKING DESTROYED HOLY SHIT MICHAELANGE-YOLO'D, LIL POLLOCK'D, DADDY DA'VINCI'D, IN MY ASS, REPORTED, FUCK.
take your shit advice and put it in your advice.

[Anonymous No.3208788]

>>3208783
you responded to me directly. Enjoy your rigid schedules. remember to schedule 10 minutes for a shit every now and then.

[Anonymous No.3208789]

>>3208788
I'm against schedules. This thread is all over the place and no one knows who is who besides the one with an anus fetish.

[Anonymous No.3208791]

>>3208789
It's an asshole fetish not an anus fetish. Yuge difference.

[Anonymous No.3208794]

>>3208791
You're retarded

[Anonymous No.3208802]

>>3208794
Your already to laghte.

[Anonymous No.3208805]

>>3208802
>hurr durr durpa durrrr

[Anonymous No.3208813]

>>3208537
>Just drawing is retarded
The implication of the post clearly wasn't "just draw blindly". You don't need a schedule if you're simply aware what skills you need to work on.

[Anonymous No.3208815]

>>3208555
99% of mentors are just a s crappy as the student.

[Anonymous No.3208833]

>>3208805
Pls stob bulli

[Anonymous No.3208836]

>>3208609
b2reddit

[Anonymous No.3208864]

>>3208833
Thanks for the car, nerd

[Anonymous No.3209193]

>>3208522
you can do it in six months, just enter cocoon mode and draw for 20 hours a day every fucking day. stop masturbating and procastinating.

[Anonymous No.3210122]

>>3209193
yeah this is mentally slow. just do it people. don't be afraid to try and fail. do it for as long as you can each day. most people who have some ability could get to a pro level in a year with dedication. hardest part of art is selling yourself and doing the job every day without burning out.

the act of drawing and painting is hard at first but gets much much easier with practise, like anything.

[Anonymous No.3210261]

>>3208623
>he actually did it
absolute madman

[Anonymous No.3210266]

>>3208623
frogposter had a rough life :(

[Anonymous No.3210270]

>>3208815
My mentor is an art director working in the industry so maybe you shouldn’t project your lack of effort onto my advice.

You can buy a mentorship from people like Anthony Jones on Gumroad. Considering how shit the avarage of /ic/ is I’m 100% certain he could improve you.

[Anonymous No.3210272]

>>3210270
How did you get a mentor though?

[Anonymous No.3210274]

>>3210270

Yeah and my mentor is the president of the united states. In other words, post some work.

[Anonymous No.3210465]

>>3208522
If you're spending a year on value, you're wasting time. Here's a more practical timeline.

Year one: Study and practice fundamentals of drawing and painting, and the human form. Learn technique, and media. You should be grasping the basics of value, hue, color, and lighting.

Year Two: Build simple compositions with the building blocks of year one, and move into projects like portraits, landscape, still life. Refine all skills and fundamentals, and start exploring advanced topics like color theory, perspective, and composition. More exploration of the human form, and other media, like sculpture and print making.

Year Three: more of the same, with more focused concentration on one area. Student should have mastered the basics at this point, and starting to fuse a style and conceptual program at this point. This is the year to push boundaries, make experiments, try new things, while starting and finishing complete projects. More emphasis on conceptual matters, not foundational, or technique.

Year Four: Focused study. Student should be working confidently in the area of exploration they've chosen, and working towards not only completed pieces, but thematic work. This year is all about concept and identity.

>Now add some fucking color. You know values so color should be easy!

is literally THE lamest thing I've ever seen posted here. Optimal schedule? You're guaranteeing that they'll stagnate, flounder about, and quit in disgust and frustration.

[Anonymous No.3210508]

>>3210465
4 years is not enough to be a good painter or illustrator.

[Anonymous No.3210526]

>>3210508
Odd, art schools disagree with you. They turn out artists ready to work commercially or professionally after 4 years.

Granted, it will take a while to reach "great" status, like the old masters, like a decade, but good? Happens every year.

[Anonymous No.3210724]

all of these git gud guides and schedules imply you're starting from absolute base level beginner and have no skills at all yet. nothing helpful for intermediates at all

[Anonymous No.3210840]

>>3208562
This. Really hope this is a bait thread, Jesus Christ.

>>3208522
Rather than thinking about art like this, how about you make a schedule that lets you integrate art in your daily life. Make time for drawing and set short term goals, because I promise you, you will not stop learning during your career. Waiting two years before working in color is plain retarded and thinking you will not have to revisit things like perspective and anatomy is naive at best.

If this is not bait, I'm glad you're pumped and I think it's great that you're honestly motivated, but this dry approach to art will most likely not work.
How about you focus on consistency, drawing on a regular basis. Draw things you enjoy and try to incorporate new things in your work, stepping out of your comfort zone. If something is not working, your interest in art will lead you to research art books, instructions and tutorials on the subject. Learn what interests you.

Also not everyone who doesn't want to follow your dumb schedule is a lazy bum, stop projecting, faggot.

[Anonymous No.3210843]

>>3210724
if you truly are past /beg/ level, then you should know enough about your art to recognize which areas you're strong in and in which areas you need to focus on more.

[Anonymous No.3210844]

>>3210724
>intermediates

You’re the same guy complaining about this in every single thread. The reason there’s no intermediate instruction is because there are no intermediate skills. There are only f u n d a m e n t a l s applied to more complex subjects.

[Anonymous No.3210862]

>>3208522
Here's a better schedule:

>Draw what you want to draw and try to mimic artists you inspire to me
>Fuck up, learn Basic figure drawing, Basic Perspective, and just finding/feeling form
>Keep drawing what you love more
>KEEP DRAWING WHAT YOU FUCKIN LOVE!!!
>Learn how to draw what you love in different angles
>Learn more fundies but only what you feel will help you. Don't learn shit for the sake of learning it.

There. See you in 4 years.

[Anonymous No.3211261]

>>3210862
exactly same mindset as me. this should be part of the sticky

[Anonymous No.3211304]

>>3211261
same, but it's part of a learning process. you can't teach people to have fun drawing while aspiring to get better, they have to figure it out themselves