/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3201547]

Art styles that bother you/are overused go

[Anonymous No.3201553]

>>3201547
Are you going to explain why?

[Anonymous No.3201556]

>>3201547
western artists using japanese manga style? Yeah it bothers me too.
>inb4 post work/ur just buttmad for being bad
Things not where they're supposed to be bothers people, if you want to ignore that and go ahead worshipping western anime artists then nobody is stopping you. But what you're doing is wrong, and it's important to know that.

Why? The japanese artist utilizes manga art to represent something inherently japanese, and relating to something about daily japanese life.

The western artist does not know this, cannot know this, and so there needs to be a good reason for using anime style that can be read in the work itself. In the pic you posted, there is none. It is stolen and redone just for the sake of making something that 'looks cute.'

It incenses your common sense and sense of standards. That's why it bothers you. Many people willingly ignore the allure of anime style because it is important to make a statement that you are born in the western world and thusly you are a western artist and will not try to be something else, many people are. You may or may not agree with that philosophy. But if you do, its obvious why shit like that pisses you off.

[Anonymous No.3201558]

>>3201556
Even worse is when the western artist has obviously consumed so much japanese media that they make art that stems from that influence but transgresses further by trying to depict something that they, an outsider, understands about japanese life. THAT is the most cringeworthy shit out there. And you know who you are.

[Anonymous No.3201567]

>>3201556
>Why? The japanese artist utilizes manga art to represent something inherently japanese
Manga style art is just japanese artists ripping off Osamu Tezuka by proxy or directly and he was ripping off Walt Disney.

[Anonymous No.3201569]

>>3201567
Thats fine. Tezukas works didnt yet convey anything japanese. He was burdened by keeping up with peers across the water. The artists of today have none of those burdens. So whether or not they ripped off, the motivations are not even close to the same.

[Anonymous No.3201694]

>>3201556
The problem is that a lot of western art that isn't PHOTO realistic is fucking butt ugly

[Anonymous No.3201695]

>>3201556
>The japanese artist utilizes manga art to represent something inherently japanese, and relating to something about daily japanese life.
Why is that even an issue? They can do the same thing with typed word or by spoken word etc. It's a tool. Sure, they may have invented it in some form, but that doesn't make it exclusive to them, much like their language can be learned and used.

>The western artist does not know this, cannot know this, and so there needs to be a good reason for using anime style that can be read in the work itself.
So supposedly if some jap draws a manga about some daily shit in Japan culture then non Japanese simply cannot comprehend it? Sure, some references can be over peoples heads, like memes, politics, history and other shit. But like with western, or ANY for that matter, references and such you can go on the internet and learn about them.

>It is stolen and redone just for the sake of making something that 'looks cute.'
Like Japs don't draw meaningless cute shit for the same reasons. Because every single person that can be identified bearing a heritage of a certain country is bound to be the exemplar of its culture, right?

[Anonymous No.3201699]

>>3201556

>muh cultural approriation

back to tumblr

[Anonymous No.3201707]

That ugly fucking Tumblr art style. The one where it looks like they're purposefully trying to make shit as fucking ugly a short possible? You know the one. The huge fucking noses, how they make everyone have dark or tan skin even if the character is white as fuck, how they make everyone look so chunky and have those big, fat arms even if they're supposed to be a skinny young girl or a twink, they always give every character a man jaw no matter what. I fucking despise this style with every fiber of my being. It's like they're not bothering at all to make their art look any good. Almost like their actually trying their hardest to make it look like total dogshit.

[Anonymous No.3201708]

>>3201707
>a short
Damn, a Freudian slip. You get the idea though

[Anonymous No.3201834]

anime...dreadful stuff, the lot of it.

[Anonymous No.3201880]

>>3201556
>watch and be involved in anime culture for 2 decades
>know the language and a large amount of the culture
>no that is le Wrong
>you must respect the cancerous dying culture you were born into but dont even live in
fuck off retard.

[Anonymous No.3201897]

>>3201547
Now, taking the thread seriously, this shit.
The generic 2000's animu style that everybody was copying in both the east and the west.
Nowadays it's has been replaced by the generic Sword Art Online artstyle but 00's still shows it's ugly mug from time to time.

[Anonymous No.3201900]

>>3201897
80's > all

[Anonymous No.3201903]

>>3201556
Now THIS is how you trigger the patreonigs/instatards

[Anonymous No.3201906]

>>3201900
>80's
My nigga.
I'm especially fond of Hiroyuki Kitazume.

[Anonymous No.3201910]

>>3201906

[Anonymous No.3201912]

>>3201556
Funny how this can be seen as either an sjw or nationalist post

[Anonymous No.3201915]

>>3201912

le horseshoe meme

[Anonymous No.3201922]

>>3201915
haha upboated

[Anonymous No.3201936]

>>3201912
Its neither. But I can see what you mean.

[Anonymous No.3201938]

>>3201900
the 80s seem like the only time it was stylization and exageration of reality rather than its own thing, thats why i like it so much

[Anonymous No.3201951]

>>3201707
>Black woman is a muscular fighter in the official work
>Fandom depicts her as a hairy muscular gorilla with an unflattering headshape, maybe even with a mustache if they feel daring enough
>It's supposed to be empowering

[Anonymous No.3201976]

>>3201938
Hell yeah

[Anonymous No.3201977]

>>3201547
>dumb phoneposter

[Anonymous No.3201983]

I hate this alternative fanzinesque art style. Like all doodles and shit.
Worst thing it's everywhere, and seems like the few people making it in my country are drawing like this.

[Anonymous No.3201987]

>>3201983
Eh this is probably the most forgivable. It reminds me of crowley or crumb. there is a good reason american zine artists draw characters so crudely... and why it fits

[Anonymous No.3201997]

>>3201983
Always loved this style, when it's done well it can be easy on the eyes but still sorta understated.

>>3201707
All of this. I fucking hate that shit, it offends my senses.

[Anonymous No.3202000]

>>3201938
>>3201900
The 80s had the most Loomis

[Anonymous No.3202055]

Vlack bbl r a scourge

[Anonymous No.3202425]

>>3202055
Vlk beb ra scorg

[Anonymous No.3202432]

[Anonymous No.3202531]

>>3201556
>Superheroes are inherently American, so One Punch Man and My Hero Acadamea are wrong for using them as inspiration
>Cyberpunk is an inherently Western genre, so Ghost in the Shell is wrong for using its themes
>Pointy-hatted Witches are Inherently Western, so it's wrong for Little Witch acadamea to use them as characters
>Animation in general is inherently western, since it was developed in the west, and the Japanese are wrong for incorporating it into their art at all.

The phenomenon you're describing is called "Cultural Osmosis," and it happens between literally any group of cultures that interact with each other, whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous No.3202570]

>>3202432
>that fucking upper lip
I hate this so much

[Anonymous No.3202581]

>>3202432
What a waste of sub-par color theory.

[Anonymous No.3202690]

>>3202432
Who invented this style?

[Anonymous No.3202706]

>>3202690
Tumblr really got into the puffy lips thanks to Steven Universe, so they started mixing it with other artstyles

[Anonymous No.3202714]

>>3201558
>>3201556
NGMI: The posts.

[Anonymous No.3202988]

I hate the style of the person who begins the post your own work threads, I hate how sketchy and unclean it is and they never seem to improve despite always posting piles of work it all just comes off as boring because there's no feeling behind it and it just looks like a beginners work

[Anonymous No.3204559]

>>3201569
>Tezukas works didnt yet convey anything japanese

[Anonymous No.3204768]

>>3201569
> Didn't convey anything japanese
> Not read MW or Ayako
> Not seen Jumping

[Anonymous No.3204772]

>>3201556
you realize that almost every artist ever has been influenced by other cultures works, right? Van Gogh was obsessed with Japanese prints. Anime is taken from Disney.

I shouldn't be so mean anymore but holy shit you are stupid.

[Anonymous No.3204773]

>>3202581
what

[Anonymous No.3204774]

>>3201556

> Why? The japanese artist utilizes manga art to represent something inherently japanese, and relating to something about daily japanese life.
Right. The last time I saw isekai bullshit, it's about japanese life. I also remember that Junji Ito never lifted from western inspiration.

> The western artist does not know this, cannot know this, and so there needs to be a good reason for using anime style that can be read in the work itself. In the pic you posted, there is none. It is stolen and redone just for the sake of making something that 'looks cute.'
Does everything you see have to convey inplicitly or explicitly? No wonder how you're inb4'ing post work, and I'll go out on a limb and call you're not doing anything cus it wouldn't mean anything. Will the same apply to eastern artists if they try out bande dessinée/belgian comics? Will that destroy the representation of something wholly italian/french/belgian?

> Many people willingly ignore the allure of anime style because it is important to make a statement that you are born in the western world and thusly you are a western artist and will not try to be something else, many people are.
> Never heard of cultural export
> Never read into art history and movements

Shittiest bait post or the most stuck-up thinking process.

[Anonymous No.3204785]

>>3201983
Ow yes. That edginess. I prefer the tumbr artstyle than this. At least it has some good appeal and gesture. This is just people who can't draw trying to do something original

[Anonymous No.3204787]

>>3201556
>yfw

[Anonymous No.3207175]

>>3202988
Yes

[Anonymous No.3207176]

Post more ugly styles

[Anonymous No.3207180]

>>3201912
identity politics is the same.

[Anonymous No.3207183]

>>3202706
To be fair, there have been eastern inspired artists who have been drawing bigger lips for a long time, like Adam Warren for example.

[Anonymous No.3207195]

>>3207183
Adam Warren actually gives his lips some definition.

[Anonymous No.3207209]

whatever the fuck people call this
the stuff that one autist keeps posting

[Anonymous No.3207225]

this shit with these weird grins among other things

[Anonymous No.3207226]

>>3207225

[Anonymous No.3207308]

>>3201547
i have this art style, should i ditch it?

[Anonymous No.3207318]

>>3207308
thats up to you. we are here to tell you it looks like generic trash that just blends in with a sea of artists all drawing the same tumblr shit. not enough people bother to give a voice to their art, its just copying other people who got popular.

[Anonymous No.3207325]

>>3207308
unlike cancer this is a thing you can walk away from, anon. But like the other laddo said, it's all up to you.

[Anonymous No.3207331]

>>3207318
>>3207325
how do you even start on changing your art style?
i never purposely copied anyone i always just "had" my art style
but i noticed it getting popular and started to get worried that the internet would become over saturated with it and it has.

[Anonymous No.3207339]

>>3207331
I have those same concerns anon. Sometimes I'm afraid my style is too anime and I try desperately to change it.

[Anonymous No.3207346]

>>3207331
Just try to broaden the artists that you use for inspiration, in my case I was a huge Hirohiko Araki fan when I started but I knew that just copying his works and basing myself would lead me to being a shit since I barley knew anatomy and I certainly wouldn't be able to draw something like the pic here from the outset.

So to fix that I just started focusing more on the basics and realism, after all of that It helped change things mostly for the better. If you're already "good", at least for yourself, then I really have no advice other than just trying to look for other artists to copy and emulate.

[Anonymous No.3207496]

>>3207308
if your drawing includes those atrocious heart mouths then kill yourself

[Anonymous No.3207512]

>>3207496
it doesnt.

>>3207346
i think i draw pretty alright but studying harder is never a bad thing.
i think ill stray from stylized anything and just do figure and anatomy studies until christmas

[Anonymous No.3207704]

I'm worried my style is too generic, is it ok if i show my art to see if it's got that generic style vibe?

[Anonymous No.3207707]

>>3207704
generic would be realism because its literally general. tumblr shit is worse. you can show off anything you like but if you are too scared to have already posted it then thats bad news.

[Anonymous No.3207733]

>>3207707
here's an example of some of my latest stuff, and I was scared because I'm not sure if it is that cringy tumblr shit or not?

[Anonymous No.3207734]

>>3207733
>▶ and here's another example, but it's lineless so you guys can get a gist of my style

[Anonymous No.3207736]

>>3207733
It's very tumblr, but it's also cute af so w/e

[Anonymous No.3207738]

>>3207736
Fuck I'll try and work on making it less tumblr like. Are there any distinct things that make it look like that dumb tumblr style? so I can work on those parts.

[Anonymous No.3207750]

>>3207738
Here's a tip if you want to be a successful artist:

"Always do the opposite of what /ic/ says."

Not really-but really. You have to keep in mind the majority of this board are crabs who aren't going to make it and they just want to nitpick and pinch others with their little crustacean claws.

That said, the problem isn't the tumblr/calarts style so much as it's the people and the culture with which it's associated.

Just keep your political opinions to yourself, don't jump on stupid bandwagons like drawing obese brown humanoids with 37 genders and armpit hair and so on and you're golden. Keep working hard at improving your art. Have fun and stay positive and you will make it.

[Anonymous No.3207756]

>>3207738
Don't change your style anon, these people wouldn't know appeal if it hit them over the head with it. Your art is cute and has a charm, if you try to make it more realistic you will lose that. This style was made popular by cartoons, which is why so many people have it similar looking, but there are differences that make it a style. Work of 2 manga artists would both look anime, but their styles will be different if that makes sense.

As long as you have good fundementals your style doesn't matter, stick with what feels right for you.

[Anonymous No.3207758]

>>3207750
Thanks for the advice anon
, and yeah the culture around it is terrible I'm just afraid ill turn into one of kinds of artists, because I'm not sure which website is best for posting my art when I was younger is started with da, but left because of how shit it was, now I'm on insta and i get no commissions and I'm starting to think maybe I should give Tumblr a try...
(sorry for the novel, tldr your right and should i try tumblr?)

[Anonymous No.3207763]

>>3207758
just post on both

[Anonymous No.3207764]

>>3207758
You should actually maintain a presence on as many different sites like that as possible.

tumblr, da, twitter, instagram, drawcrowd. It's all good.

I think there's a way to update them all at once too but I'm not sure. You want to put yourself out to as wide an audience as possible and you have no need to limit yourself in that regard. Just make sure you don't let your idle socializing get out of control either. You don't want to completely neglect any fans you might get but don't get caught up in the tangle of their lives either.

[Anonymous No.3207765]

>>3207758
You should actually maintain a presence on as many different sites like that as possible.

tumblr, da, twitter, instagram, drawcrowd. It's all good.

I think there's a way to update them all at once too but I'm not sure. You want to put yourself out to as wide an audience as possible and you have no need to limit yourself in that regard. Just make sure you don't let your idle socializing get out of control either. You don't want to completely neglect any fans you might get but don't get caught up in the tangle of their lives because your time is important.

[Anonymous No.3207769]

>>3207764
>>3207763
>>3207756
>>3207750
Thanks for all the help and advice anon's!
I'll try to make accounts on tubmlr, twitter and maybe ill go back to da?,but thank you for all the help i really appreciate it (i tried to do a quick thank you pic, but its a gross furry sorry <3)

[Anonymous No.3207886]

>>3201912
a nationalist would encourage you to value your own culture as highest and only learn and borrow from other cultures to supplement and strengthen your own, and also to value anthropological artefacts that demonstrate a striving for virtue and beauty or exploration of hamartia. An sjw's sole goal is to glorify the noble savage and bring down "white western" culture, including the Western pursuit of beauty.

[Anonymous No.3207887]

>>3207886
*borrow to supplement and strengthen your own culture, not just for mindless novelty (especially when packaged as a superior replacement for white culture and used to rake in cash).

[Anonymous No.3207983]

>>3207769
your style is appealing to the mass. youre commercially astonishing. but you arent unique. your artwork doesnt say anything to me about you because other people have the same shit. rounded with all the colors being soft. character design is weak. its appealing but its not unique. not really trying to crab you, but im just being honest about how i feel. i wouldnt be able to tell your art apart from most other tumblr blogs.

[Anonymous No.3207997]

>>3207983
Thanks for being honest, ill work on becoming original though its probably impossible really

[Anonymous No.3208245]

>>3207733
Very tumblrish. 6/10 Would scroll past your blog

[Anonymous No.3208247]

>>3207738
For starters, stop drawing you ocs with huge noses, pastel colors and landwhale arms and thighs. That's the very definition of tumblr style. Try to get out of your comfort zone.

[Anonymous No.3208256]

>>3201547

The average anime linework with average coloring.

How come it's so popular? You could easily do more interesting stuff by ditching lines or adding wilder colors. Like there's just so much of artists that do just this and nothing else. I love anime / manga style but how come it's so generic most of the time? You have to dig deep into pixiv to get actually cool stuff.

[Anonymous No.3208281]

>>3208247
also try studying yoh yoshinari's style. He got the correct mix of anime and cartoonish style

[Anonymous No.3208452]

>>3202988
Christ, his style bothers me so much too. Everyone and everything looks so lumpy and flat at the same time.
I used to be in a /co/ server with him and he'd periodically proclaim that everyone else in the server was ngmi because they had unappealing styles, the dude's lack of self awareness is astounding.

[Anonymous No.3208485]

>>3204787
I fucking chuckled

[Anonymous No.3208486]

>>3207750
underrated post

[Anonymous No.3209143]

>>3207733
>crayon brush
>outline
>upper lip
>fat

time to try a new style youve got this one down