/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3187688]

how do i actually fucking draw anime

why are no western artists good at anime? are there any actually GOOD books/tutorials/etc. in english on how to draw anime shit?

how do you make anime faces from imagination that dont look like garbage?

[Anonymous No.3187693]

if you want to learn how to draw anime, just study the anime pics you have on hand. copy ref, understand it, break it down. Then, try drawing from imagination. If it fails, rinse and repeat. Is this so hard to understand?

[Anonymous No.3187695]

>>3187688
With Loomis. I'm being serious.

[Anonymous No.3187696]

Slanted eyes distort your view of reality.
That’s why chinks are terrible drivers.
They are not trying to draw anime, they think they’re just drawing normal people.

Try taping your lids to your temples, then use loomis.

[Anonymous No.3187697]

>>3187693
i study and then i try to draw from imagination and it still looks like garbage without apparent improvement

[Anonymous No.3187698]

>>3187697
dw anon you will make it. i journeyed from a shitty amateur anime style to a nasty tumblr-looking style back around to an anime style again. i didn't start getting better until i started studying realism too, so make sure you also practice drawing from real life unless you want to end up with a less-than-cute anime girl due to some proportional error.

[Anonymous No.3187699]

>>3187697
alright, then show us your work, so we at /ic/ official tech support can help troubleshoot the problem. Not joking btw

[Anonymous No.3187701]

>>3187698
i mostly just study realism. thats why im looking for anime specific shit.

anime style is generally just extremely stylized faces and stylized hair. the rest is generally realistic bodies with left out details etc. i havent found much really good shit on how to draw CONSISTENT, professional looking anime faces/hair.

[Anonymous No.3187702]

>>3187699
OP here. honestly, ive done that a few times already. i get a few decent answers when i post, but maybe im just looking for advice that is going to help me improve overnight (not pro overnight, just noticeable improvement).

it seems like no matter what i read or look at, i still dont get any better at drawing from imagination. if i just sit down with pencil + paper, my drawings still suck. i can draw decent from reference but i cant draw a fucking sexy anime chick from my head for the life of me. been studying technique for a while now and it doesnt seem to help

[Anonymous No.3187707]

>>3187688
shindo l is american

[Anonymous No.3187708]

>>3187702
You need to study from anime to learn anime. Go through a booru and pick out a bunch of pictures that you really like and try copying them.

As for learning from imagination, it's a skill like any other. You're going to suck at it way more than if you had a reference, but that's just how it goes.

I find the most useful way to learn is to:
>find a reference image
>try drawing it without looking at it at all
>once you get stuck, look at the image and try to figure out what went wrong
>then go back to drawing without looking at it

The important thing is that you let yourself make mistakes and then quickly recognize what those mistakes are.

[Anonymous No.3187709]

>>3187702
were not gonna be able to help you much just through text

[Anonymous No.3187710]

>>3187707
He’s a jap who was brought or born in the us by first generation immigrants before he left to japan

[Anonymous No.3187721]

>>3187709
here's real life/anime shit ive drawn from reference

[Anonymous No.3187723]

>>3187721
and here's anime garbage I've drawn from imagination.

I've been studying so much technique etc. I just feel like it doesn't help my imagination drawing. like I forget everything when I try to actually draw original stuff.

and I'm just not sure how to make it look like authentic anime. there's a subtlety to it. my stuff looks like retarded garbage

[Anonymous No.3187725]

>>3187721
Stop reposting that girl. She’s old news. Show us something you’ve done since then.

[Anonymous No.3187726]

>>3187701
>>3187702

instead of jumping straight from reference to no reference, try using the reference but transforming it a bit (e.g. changing the angle, trying a different expression) to study what makes it appealing? even turning the face just a little (pic related) challenges you to think critically about both the individual features of the face and how they fit in the whole.

[Anonymous No.3187727]

>>3187723
It's not anime you're struggling with. You just suck at drawing.

[Anonymous No.3187728]

>>3187688

I don't get it. I don't mean to bring /pol/ into this but white people invented anime with Disney for God sakes. Japanese draw white features (fold of eyelid, eye in socket rather than protruding out, chin 45 degree angle, etc) that closely match Disney princess. There is no secret hidden leaf village techniques masked in some book on a shelf in akihabara. They steal from AMERICAN text books.

[Anonymous No.3187731]

>>3187688
there are a lot, its a skill like anything. if theyre deviating from standard anime, its on purpose.

[Anonymous No.3187736]

>>3187726
will this legit help? is there like some resource out there (book etc) that focuses specifically on drawing solely from imagination?

I've been trying to get it so I can draw, at the very least, sexy anime chicks from imagination, using zero references.

I don't wanna hear "pros use reference". yeah, for random shit you never draw, ok. but a person should be able to consistently draw anime girls in common sexy poses, and have it look good. I can learn songs on guitar and play them from memory, improvise decently from imagination, etc. why can't I draw anime chicks from imagination?

[Anonymous No.3187738]

>>3187728
OP wants to understand anime from the get-go. While it is true that anime is a derivative of disney's original design philosophy, I have a feeling OP doesn't want to start studying disney and old astro boy anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.3187742]

I wish I knew

[Anonymous No.3187743]

>>3187738
yeah, unless studying Disney etc. would actually help.

I don't really like Disney/Cal arts style

[Anonymous No.3187751]

>>3187688
It's really all about proportions. If you do as >>3187726 said you can at least understand the construction underneath it.

But anime's a formula, are you sure you want to go that way? If you develop your personal style it's going to benefit you in the long run

[Anonymous No.3187753]

>>3187751
What if you don't know what your personal style is

[Anonymous No.3187754]

>>3187688
I have the same problem. All the "tutorials" on pixiv and other such sites are all in Japanese so I can't use them. I wish there was some code academy type place to learn to draw anime.

Honestly just wanna draw some fanart of Hafumi baka

[Anonymous No.3187755]

>>3187753
It comes naturally with time as you learn from things you like.

[Anonymous No.3187756]

>>3187754
There is. It's called pixiv.

[Anonymous No.3187758]

>>3187736
when you just started playing the guitar did you instantaneously memorize all the finger placements and notes and chords and what not? did you automatically know how to read music? no, you had to practice right? and it was only after practicing did you begin to understand how to memorize songs and improvise. well buddy, art is a lot like that, you have to do a lot of grinding before you'll be able to draw your sexy anime girls from imagination. just like how you can break the music you're trying to learn into small, manageable phrases to play, you can break drawing down into smaller parts to practice and memorize. >>3187708 had some good advice anon. it might leave you feeling frustrated when you get stuck or things look wrong, but so will never improving.

on another note, trying to study other styles is kind of like learning jazz improv from practicing classical music... it kind of helps because certain areas overlap, but the benefits will most likely be minor.

[Anonymous No.3187765]

>>3187756
I told you anon. Most of the tutorials are in Japanese. Maybe I'm dumb and haven't searched hard enough for them.

[Anonymous No.3187774]

>>3187765
what i dont get is whats so hard about it? why do you need a tutorial?

Honestly, and you might tune this out, you should start with whats readily available to you, since you cant change the fact that you werent born in japan. More directly: use the sticky, draw from life, understand 3d. you already know it? (kek) good! but in any case, integrate anime however you will into your 3d trad learning. Now you can actually look at mangakas drawings and sketches and see just what parts they stylize, how much perspective they use, and even spot their MISTAKES. Am I perhapse overselling? Yes, perhaps. But better than trying to sift through pixiv without even knowing moonrunes.

[Anonymous No.3187780]

>>3187758
no, it wasnt instant, but I was able to learn songs and play them from memory fairly quickly (few months or less). I would also be able to figure out songs by ear, or remembering how they sounded from memory.

I can't really do anything like that with drawing. I can copy fairly well, but my imagination drawings are rough looking trash. every once in a while, I can draw something decent, but it's not consistent at all.

[Anonymous No.3187781]

>>3187710
source?

[Anonymous No.3187783]

>>3187765
i learned more just looking at japs books then reading loomis and company anon take this as you wish because i am /beg/ tier

[Anonymous No.3187784]

>>3187723
For certain it's not even stylization you have a problem with, it's anatomy and proportion(and perspective a bit too). Have you attempted figure studies at all, realistic or stylized? Because your anime heads, as far as achieving a generic anime look, are fine. Those bodies are not.

[Anonymous No.3187785]

>>3187783
at least learn perspective so you can freehand your own anime

jesus christ. loomis is not radioactive

[Anonymous No.3187786]

>>3187774
Good post anon. I'll take your advice instead of trying to google translate moonrunes.
>>3187783
Maybe I should look at some myself.

[Anonymous No.3187790]

>>3187784
jesus christ have i studied enough anatomy... ive studied SO MUCH anatomy. ive done a lot of gesture, bought anatomy books/video tutorials, copied diagrams, drawn from reference, gone to life drawing classes... but its like all of that shit disappears when i try to draw from imagination. i dont know why it looks like garbage-tier when its imagination drawing, but looks OK when i do refs

[Anonymous No.3187794]

>>3187783
what book is this? this is the kind of shit i want

>>3187751
id much rather be able to draw consistently good anime by following a formula than fucking bumbling around in the dark trying to find some kind of "style" first

you can learn how to draw typical anime consistently and then stylize further from there if you so choose

[Anonymous No.3187797]

>>3187785
i use stuff like van's perspective videocourse + sticky + some chinese one but again i am beg tier

[Anonymous No.3187798]

>>3187794
You should get Sketching Manga Style, >>3187397

[Anonymous No.3187801]

>>3187790
I mean figure anatomy. The skeleton, the muscles, their functions, how they connect to one another, how those components affect the surface form of the body- because I'm not picking up you've studied any of that from that drawing you posted. I mean at least you're attempting to construct so you're one step ahead.

And if you have, I mean- have you actually analyzed what you're studying? Do you pay attention to the measurements you're making, to the locations of the landmarks of the body, to the proportions of each form of the body compared to one another? I don't wanna be a dick but I can't imagine that kind of stuff doesn't stick to your muscle memory after thorough studies. If you're just going through the motions when you're drawing, you need to snap out of that habit and study more consciously.

Either way Anon I know you're looking for a cheat sheet for overnight improvement, the best I can provide for you and your figures is this pic(apologize for the shit quality). Watch the Proko vid for an explanation of how to use this.

[Anonymous No.3187802]

>>3187781
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/新堂エル
His father is Japanese, his mother is “American” (iirc also of jap descent), and he is “Japanese-American” meaning Asian.

[Anonymous No.3187803]

>>3187798
will this actually help? is it garbage-tier "how to draw anime!!!!" kid shit? or does it actually look good?

[Anonymous No.3187804]

>>3187688
I think it can help if you follow strictly japanese artists on twitter/pixiv and try to follow the trends/ art styles they do. The more japanese artists you look at daily the more you'll start to notice how they shade/sketch/compose etc. because japanese artists follow each other and influenced by one another.You can also import some jap anatomy book via proxy or something.

[Anonymous No.3187806]

>>3187803
It's good enough albeit old fashioned

[Anonymous No.3187808]

>>3187801
i have proko's anatomy and figure drawing courses. i have artistic anatomy, loomis books, burne hogarth books, george bridgman books. ill study the shit, draw from it. ill try to recall what ive learned and pace around my room, trying to imagine the body in full 3D, remembering the muscles, skeleton, etc. and it seems to help at the time when I do it.

but when i draw from imagination, its like i forget all about that shit, and my stuff looks like what ive posted above. chicken scratch garbage.

maybe im just retarded. maybe neuroplasticity really isnt a meme ;_;

[Anonymous No.3187810]

>>3187797
and this is my actual level as i said take everything i said as grain of salt and personal preferences

[Anonymous No.3187817]

>>3187808
When you use references are you just applying the posture, perspective and the way things bend or are you just drawing the whole thing like an inefficient copy machine?

[Anonymous No.3187818]

>>3187808
I'mma keep it real wit u chief you probably are retarded.

For real tho, if you're problem is that like, you seriously somehow cannot remember basic rules/fundamentals to drawing when you're trying to draw from imagination, the best I can say is buy a pack of sticky notes and write down a bunch of basic rules onto them and put them on your workspace so you can refer to them when you're working and don't have to be scratching your head. Write down shit like "Figures generally 8 heads tall", "the length of the upper arm aligns with the waist when female figures stand upright", "the crotch measures 4 heads down on average"; basic tips like that to remind you of what to look for in your art work.

Also heavily recommend doing >>3187726 's exercises so you could practice actually using your head. Use references, but instead of copying subjects directly, change the viewing angle so you're forced to consider how the forms and features change in space. This should be good practice for you and your struggle.

Also since I see you're looking for a book to read, Ron Tiner's "Figure Drawing From Imagination" was a pretty damn good read, one of my personal favorite art books to refer to.

[Anonymous No.3187820]

>>3187818
i know that stuff. i guess it doesnt come up when i draw, though. cause im trying to just draw without thinking so much, i guess? i dont know. im expecting to just study all the info so much, then go to imagination drawing and be able to draw better.

with guitar, you practice the song over and over, and you can recall it from memory, and play it. guess it doesnt work that way with drawing?

[Anonymous No.3187822]

>>3187817
i only just copy the reference and use it as a study tool. like, i think "ok, im going to practice drawing arms", and i pull up references and just draw what i see. lately ive been trying to be more conscious of it, like "oh ok theres this weird little fold here" or "oh this part bumps out". "the upper arm is longer than the forearm" etc.

i never really use reference to create something from imagination. feels like cheating (unless you just use it as an exercise), so maybe thats why i never got into that. i always figured you studied technique and practiced drawing (gesture, etc.), then go into imagination drawing and draw original stuff.

[Anonymous No.3187829]

>>3187820
>>3187822
Dude when you're /beg/ you cannot be drawing without thinking LOL. That's basically shooting yourself in the foot.

Developing muscle memory for drawing takes a lot of mileage, maybe even more so then it takes for music. You can't be a brainless copy machine or just be binge watching/reading videos and books. You have to put focus into your studies and be aware of what you're trying to understand. The most you might be getting out of just being a copy machine is building your visual library, but even then you're not collecting much info if you're not even paying mind to it. Like I said, stop going through the motions when you're drawing expecting you're gonna shit out something good, and pay close attention to what you're trying to convey when you put down a line on paper. Even Kim Jung Gi, the dude who can practically draw anything without reference, says he visualizes what he wants to draw clearly before he puts ink down on paper. That implies he, you know, "thinks" about what to draw. Same as you should be doing.

[Anonymous No.3187830]

>>3187820
it does work that way, it's just that when you recall a song from memory and play it, wrong notes can be corrected more easily than if you're drawing and you get proportions wrong. it's easier to hear a wrong note than it is to pinpoint an anatomy error, probably bc you're more used to listening to music and recognizing its rules.

[Anonymous No.3187831]

>>3187829
do you have more specific info on what to think about while drawing? i just kind of notice what i notice... like "oh thats how they draw that part of the eye" etc. what else should i be doing?

i also suck at visualizing. i think i used to be a lot better at it when i was younger, but now its like i draw a blank when i try to draw imagination stuff. its like all my ideas are gone :/

[Anonymous No.3187845]

>>3187801
>>3187808
>proko for imagination drawing

[Anonymous No.3187849]

>>3187845
yeah dude. im obviously lost as to how to draw from imagination lol. help

[Anonymous No.3187850]

>>3187831
I have the same exact problem I might be retarded or have autism because my mind is blank when I try to draw without reference

[None !1337Fe82oo No.3187853]

Learning art with Anime is shit, learn realism tou can be a 'Chad' of art be a chad not 'virgin'

[Anonymous No.3187855]

This board seems to think there are only two ways of drawing

1) Copying reference 1:1 by measuring
2) Drawing from imagination, with no reference whatsoever

When you can actually look at reference and think about it in terms of volumes and construction. It's the good old breaking down shit in simple forms like cubes, cylinders etc.

[Anonymous No.3187858]

>>3187855
what? i do that when i copy. i draw a simple gesture, draw in simple shapes (usually circles or round shapes), and then start to fill in details.

[Anonymous No.3187859]

>>3187858
I mean are you capable of looking at a gun from reference while drawing it in a different angle?

[Anonymous No.3187860]

>>3187859
maybe not. any tips on doing that? i never really practice stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.3187862]

>>3187860
That's how you learn to draw from imagination pretty much. You look at reference just as an aid to understand how to thing is built, but you draw the actual object from imagination using that visual model

[Anonymous No.3187883]

>>3187736
Where do you get all these assumptions from? I am being dead serious. What exactly you studied and saw to state so confidently such things about other artists and drawing from imagination?
Famous artist which draws from imagination for a living several decades doesn't draw his characters from imagination like you imagine it. He uses rulers, he uses real life references, he redraws everything from 5 to 10 times before accepting result. And this is a character which he draws everyday for months. Some artist can draw familiar things at first attempt without visible effort. But it's only because they perfected drawing something to the point of it becoming a habit, their hands automatically remember all proportions and lines.

Drawing from imagination doesn't mean you can't use reference with the same exact pose. Or that you can't use examples of characters to copy proportions and details. Use it. Use it and draw something until it's a finished drawing. Your example >>3187723 doesn't contain even finished sketch, you can't really half-ass drawing and say you can't draw from imagination just because you didn't hit perfect lines at the start. If it takes time, spend 1, spend 2, spend 3 hours nailing just sketch with composition.

[Anonymous No.3188021]

>>3187688
because 99% of the time they project a bit of their western style and habits into their "anime" drawings and it just looks bad

[Anonymous No.3188201]

>>3187883
i didnt word it clearly. i didnt mean to say that THAT is how pros draw. i meant to say that this is how I'VE been trying to draw, and how i think drawing stuff completely from imagination (at least common stuff) should be possible.

>>3188021
and yeah i get annoyed at that. like "oh im gonna give it a little round nose" or something. everyone makes their shit too bouncy looking like tumblr style


anyway, does anyone have like a bible on imagination drawing? books that tackle drawing solely from imagination? i never see anything on it.

[Anonymous No.3188237]

>>3187707
Hes Japanese American.

[Anonymous No.3188283]

>>3188201
>anyway, does anyone have like a bible on imagination drawing? books that tackle drawing solely from imagination? i never see anything on it.
There are a ton if you google it. There are even a few in the artbook thread.

[Anonymous No.3188303]

>>3187723
Dude, you clearly, CLEARLY have no grasp on basics of construction and anatomy in the first place. You are horrible at drawing and are training yourself to be a xerox machine.
It's not about anime, it's about real practice, leave the fucking references because you clearly don't know how to use them properly.

[Anonymous No.3188315]

>>3187853
i thought grills are into virgins lately? isn't it the latest trend?

[Anonymous No.3188321]

>>3188021
Yeah, just difference for the sake of difference. Sometimes it's better to stick with the "cliche" and do it right than just change it to make "special"

[Anonymous No.3188343]

>>3187688
Anime is not from imagination, it's all mass produced recycled garbage, they just take a predawn head and swap out pre drawn features.

It's almost as terrible as modern western animation.

[Anonymous No.3188344]

>>3188343
>Anime is not from imagination, it's all mass produced recycled garbage, they just take a predawn head and swap out pre drawn features.
>It's almost as terrible as modern western animation.
At least they make them look good, compared to the west where it would seem ugliness is the standard.

[Anonymous No.3188345]

>>3188343
nice bait, crab mullins
anime is usually drawn by hand

[Anonymous No.3188363]

>>3187696
>They are not trying to draw anime, they think they’re just drawing normal people.

[Anonymous No.3188463]

If I help you and you make something good you'll steal my You's why would I want that

[Anonymous No.3188464]

>>3188283
which ones? I didn't see too many in the art book thread. I looked at some IRL today and they seemed crappy.

I just bought imaginative realism by gurney. what else is actually good

[Anonymous No.3188574]

>>3187688
I did this from my imagination doing a lot of mistakes
at least improving...

[Anonymous No.3188623]

>>3188574
Very cute. Have a blog?

[Anonymous No.3188632]

>>3188623
I save these draws in ibispaint x
very useful tool

[Anonymous No.3188635]

I try to draw anime well. The results vary in quality.

[Anonymous No.3188637]

>>3188574
Nice :)

[Anonymous No.3188827]

>>3188574
hand is too small. eyebrows too high up.

learn how the body works, too. don't symbol draw with the body and just place whatever there

clean up lines. make them look less sketchy and more clean

[Anonymous No.3188852]

Fred Gallagher is a westerner draws amazing anime. The things that guy can do with a pencil!

[Anonymous No.3188856]

>>3188574
idk

[Anonymous No.3189048]

>>3187688
fucking millenial crybabies.
kys.

[Anonymous No.3189058]

>>3189048
Says this while using a dumb facebook word

[Anonymous No.3190546]

>>3189058
Is millenial a dumb facebook word?

[Anonymous No.3190558]

I also think it has to do something with your own cultural BG !
you just get different influences and reflect in your artworks things you used to see !

The Artist vs. Art challenge kind of proves it a bit .. your artworks tend to look a bit like yourself I guess...

[Anonymous No.3191174]

>>3190546
"kill your self" (KYS) i hate these type of yolo, swag, dilygaf words its childs talk they are retarded and anger me deeply, they are one of the worst things to come from these generations.

[Anonymous No.3191182]

>>3191174
kys was used long before it was a thing on Facebook, which of course you happen to keep tabs on for some reason.

If you hate child talk, how about you learn how to punctuate, lmao?

[Anonymous No.3191204]

>>3191182
He's right. Kys is underage meme. Like reddit spacing and t.

[Anonymous No.3191229]

You don't "draw" anime, you animate it you fucking reprobate, and I can name a dozen Western artists that draw in Japanese comic style that completely btfo most Japanese artists, Chihiro Howe for starters.

[Anonymous No.3191232]

>>3191229
How do I get this good

[Anonymous No.3191236]

>>3191232
Life study, values study, crosshatching study etc.

[Anonymous No.3191237]

>>3191204
Not my fault he and you are autistic and even aware of it enough to care.

[Anonymous No.3191241]

>>3191229
>draw in Japanese comic style
Pic unrelated. Looks Western/tumblr/DA as fuck.

[Anonymous No.3191244]

>>3191241
No it doesn't fag

[Anonymous No.3191245]

>>3191229
nothing about that btfo japanese artists

[Anonymous No.3191253]

>>3191245
You say this only because you're a incorrigible weeb, and this is coming from somebody that studied Japanese at university on a 4 year degree.

Stop putting Nip-Nops on a pedestal just because you like their porn.

[Anonymous No.3191256]

>>3191253
I really like this stuff. Maybe I don''t have to actually focus on animu drawing if I get good first

[Anonymous No.3191261]

>>3191256
Here's the thing, do you actually believe that Japanese manga artists just started drawing "manga style" immediately right off the bat? Every single accomplished mangaka to date, with FAIL, will have studied with an art school where they trained in proper anatomical knowledge, values and techniques. They first learned how to draw reality before they then moved onto bastardising reality into a distinct style. You have to study real life before you can warp it, no exceptions. The only reason you know what an hand or a hat is in an anime is because you've seen hands and hats in real life right?

[Anonymous No.3191268]

>>3191253
No, I am actually not a weeb. There is very few things I enjoy out of japan. His things still do not btfo good manga artists.

[Anonymous No.3191270]

>>3191268
Chihiro is a female name, and who's your idea of a "good" manga artist in this case then?

[Anonymous No.3191271]

>>3191261
>they drew realistically before anime meme

[Anonymous No.3191272]

>>3191271
How is it a meme

[Anonymous No.3191273]

>>3187696
Kek

[Anonymous No.3191274]

>>3191272
a lot of people say it so that makes it a meme

[Anonymous No.3191276]

>>3191274
I don't think you understand what a meme is. It's not a meme if it's true. Go find me one highly accomplished Japanese mangaka that did not train formally in art.

[Anonymous No.3191287]

>>3191270
Mori Kaoru
Kui Ryouko
Shirahama Kamome
Hayashida Q

Drawing the same cute girl doesnt make you btfo good japanese artists. Nor is the style looking any better, it just looks like it belongs to tumblr.

[Anonymous No.3191298]

>>3187783
leaving aside the fact that I can barely read nip, I'm the only one that things that this construction method looks fucking stupid and imposible to use?
It's not intuitive, you can't draw easily from other angles without using acurrate perspective, you can't draw another kind of faces with it.
I have yet to see a fucking construction method for anime faces that is not fucking retarded or useless.
The only thing it really helped me is studying ilustrations I like and reading loomis/hampton.

[Anonymous No.3191299]

>>3191298
*thinks

[Anonymous No.3191301]

>>3191298
Yeah it makes me think the only way is massive amounts of trial and error till something looks right.

[Anonymous No.3191302]

>>3191301
I think that every manga artists figures out his own construction method and either they don't do construction at the "conscious level" so they can't really put it into words or they don't want to reveal their tricks.

[Anonymous No.3191303]

>>3191287
Nigger stop posting Tongari Boushi all over this fucking board, this is the third time I've seen you post this shit in 3 weeks. And yes, you are a weeb, because I looked up the artists you linked and whilst yes, all of them are very good, almost all of them abuse the fuck out of screentones in lieu of illustrating the crosshatching themselves, and one of them outright traced their backgrounds in most of their establishing shots.

Also saying something looks like it belongs on Tumblr is not a lefitimate criticism. Almost all of the best pop. culture artists I know today have a Tumblr to where they post their work. Get your head out of the Oriental dick. I literally work in Int. relations and do interpretative work for Japanese clients and to date, TO DATE, you little faggots are the thing I hate most about the country holy heck.

[Anonymous No.3191310]

>>3191303
I am posting it for the first time. I saved that image from another thread.
You are comparing an artist who can only draw cute little girls to good japanese artists who draw backgrounds and many different kinds of characters.

>I literally work in Int. relations and do interpretative work for Japanese clients and to date
I dont give a single fuck about japan, I only care about nice artwork.

[Anonymous No.3191314]

>>3191310
>I am posting it for the first time. I saved that image from another thread.
>lists Shirahama Kamome as one of their favourites

You're so full of shit man. Just admit it.

[Anonymous No.3191315]

>>3191303
>like it belongs on Tumblr is not a lefitimate criticism
Deviantart is also filled with great artists and when you say "that looks deviant-art tier" we all know what you mean.
The point is that everyone understands what he is trying to say even if we know that almost all good artists have a tumblr blog.
Also I'm fucking surprised and jelly everytime I see soo fucking many western artist today on twitter that draw some really fine anime/manga style illustations.
I don't really understand what world does OP live in.
Maybe he is trying to comfort himself with "Obviusly I can't draw anime because I don't have superior nipon blood"
instead of working hard for 5+ years to get good.

[Anonymous No.3191316]

>>3191314
What is to admit? It is literally my first time posting that artist, but yes I do enjoy their artwork. This is why I saved that image from the comic thread.
I didnt say she is my favorite, she is a good example of a good artist. I especially only listed female artists for you since you found it also important to mention how your 'btfo japanese artist' person is female too.

[Anonymous No.3191320]

>>3191287
>Kui Ryouko
Ah yes, look at this incredible quality, indeed so far superior to those Western peasants. Why is it that NO Westerners can draw this good?

[Anonymous No.3191328]

>>3191320
Yes she is a good artist.

[Anonymous No.3191330]

>>3191320
did I imply that NO WESTERN ARTIST can draw that way? The only issue I took was that the other anon was implying that the shit they posted 'btfo' anyone.

[Anonymous No.3191332]

>>3191328

[Anonymous No.3191335]

>>3191332
What are you trying to say here?

[Anonymous No.3191339]

>>3191335
That's you worship Nips and place them on a pedastal.

[Anonymous No.3191341]

>>3191339
I like non japanese artist too.
What are you trying to tell with your pictures? The two characters are looking weird on purpose to make the scene creepy. The other image from tumblr I see no issue with.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that this artist is not a good one?

[Anonymous No.3191348]

>>3191341
>it's just stylised bro"

[Anonymous No.3191395]

Take it with a grain of salt because it's my personal opinion OP, but here it is:

Manga is all about delicate forms and implying and not actually showing, and arguably good comics are like that as well. Look at a very good manga artist like Yoshiyuki Sadamoto; all the forms are implied instead of actually being drawn. Look at his girls' eyelids, look at the two middle fingers in the hands that seem to "melt together", or at their mouths that become thin lines with maybe a hint of shadow under the lower lip, look at strands of hair that are just big shapes implying the volume of all strands.

Add to that a good sense of judging where to put or take out line weight and good fundamentals like perspective and knowing where to place shadows to create the illusion of form (always keeping in mind that it's better to err on the side of delicacy or elegance) and you've got yourself good manga.

Also, if you heavily detail things like clothing, backgrounds and vehicles that creates a good contrast and makes characters look even more elegant and forms more implied.

It's a form of artwork that could only come about in Japan when you think about it, because their whole culture and sense of design is about elegance and implying instead of saying it outright. It's also why chinese and korean artists that do manga or anime look somewhat off; I don't know about Koreans but the chinese seem to be big into excess and intensity in general, kinda like americans.

[Anonymous No.3191397]

>>3191348

[Anonymous No.3191414]

>>3191395
this, so much fucking this.
You are a clever one anon

[Anonymous No.3191450]

>>3191414
thank you senpai

[Anonymous No.3191463]

>>3191450
>>3191395
I have some other thoughts about it, if anyone cares.

All I've said above is easier said than done; you can simplify forms either by laboring over your sketch for a long time before doing the final layer of ink or whatever, or by having drawn the forms so much that you know some things automatically. Or maybe both. In any case, it's not something that comes easily and without putting in the hours.

If you are a western artist that has been raised on comics and post-enlightenment paintings as standards of quality like most of us are, it's really difficult to ignore our instinct and refrain from adding more and more detail. The thing with manga and the Japanese in general is about precision, so every line has to convey as much as possible. Look at some sumi-e and you'll see that they're trying to convey as much form as possible with the least amount of strokes as possible. Funnily enough, it's something I notice in Sargent. He's amazing at conveying a lot of form with a single brush stroke.

[Anonymous No.3191513]

>>3191463
I think that you hit the nail on the head again.
First thing I thought when I started to learn to draw hiragana is how they are taught to draw good and precise lines since they are little.
They teach them how to do good lines at school since kindergarden.

[Anonymous No.3191601]

It's this difference of sense. The core of western art is realism which are inherited from Greek and Rome statue. The more realistic, the more "right". There are comics in the west too but they are inevitably considered immature and for kids. Compare EA games and Nintendo. We love Mario because it makes us kids again. Disney is the same. We love Disney but it will never be the main culture. Cartoons are always subculture because they are for kids and manchildren.

[Anonymous No.3191605]

>>3191601
>manchildren.
Thank fuck someone said it.

[Anonymous No.3191607]

>>3191601
>Cartoons are always subculture because they are for kids and manchildren.
Oh really? Then explain this.

[Anonymous No.3191609]

>>3191463
>image
long thighs are long

[Anonymous No.3191610]

>>3187790
>jesus christ have i studied enough anatomy
1. No, you haven't. You have a bad case of dunning-kruger, at least from what you posted. study never ends. not ever. it gets more refined, more particular, and more interesting, but you are never done.
2. since your predominant woe seems to relate to drawing from imagination, then i reckon your real problem relates to a lack of inspiration. that is, you're making yourself draw, but you aren't drawing what you WANT to draw. Maybe because you don't know what you want to draw. which is ok. that's part of study; studying things in real life and drawing them and letting your imagination take over, as opposed to kicking it like a vending machine expecting something to come out. the mind needs to be relaxed and free to be creative - remember, we draw first and foremost because it is fun. You see anime shit and go "wah why arent i that good" and immediately try to become THAT artist, instead of letting your own style flourish and expanding on it. comparing art is fine, but don't be a copycat. do your own thing.

[Anonymous No.3191613]

>>3191601
explain that netflix cartoon about childrens genitals then because I'm pretty sure manchildren is not the target audience

[Anonymous No.3191624]

>>3191613
>>3191607
>1% don't follow the trend, so that means the trend doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.3191630]

>>3191607
Family Guy is for manchildren.

[Anonymous No.3191631]

>>3191610
>1. No, you haven't. You have a bad case of dunning-kruger, at least from what you posted. study never ends. not ever. it gets more refined, more particular, and more interesting, but you are never done.
Literally the whole board.The ineptitude comes across so genuinely I can't tell if they are serious or straddling the troll line.

[Anonymous No.3191636]

>>3191276

[Derek - /ic/s number 1 picture(...) No.3191641]

>>3191624

There is nothing coherently wrong with watching kids shows as a mature adult in his 20s. In fact kids cartoons are more well written than shows for adults. More passion is put into children's film. How dare you lump children's shows to a "manchild" label--how fucking dare you.

[Anonymous No.3191707]

>>3191636
One isn't highly accomplished. Yuusuke Murata is. One is just lucky to have been noticed by him.

>nice try

[Anonymous No.3191725]

Cute little anime girls

[Anonymous No.3191783]

>>3191610
im not saying im good. i started the thread because i KNOW i suck. im just saying, ive studied a lot of it (or at least attempted to study by looking, reading, copying, etc.), but it hasn't seemed to help.

maybe i just dont understand how to actually apply all the technique when i do imagination drawings? idk

[Anonymous No.3191803]

What a heated debate. It's quite obvious why no westerners draw like japanese artists. Because there is no industry around such style in the west. Industry produces good artists, even if it's their hobby. And while there are some good western artists, including some posted here, their works always look a bit different. It's the same with any traditional national art. Even if it's easy to replicate, even if people try to learn eat and are better in other types of art, genuine artist raised inside that culture always will produce slightly different art. Why this debate even exists. Isn't it obvious that japanese artist draw anime better because only in Japan there is big anime industry. As it was suggested in some other thread why not try finding some nigger work in this industry. Work as an assistant for several years.

[Anonymous No.3191804]

I just want to draw anime why couldn't I have been born a jap

[Anonymous No.3191816]

>>3191803
im annoyed that this thread has gone very much off topic... keep it to HOW to draw anime style instead of west vs. east debate

[Anonymous No.3191821]

>>3191816
It's on topic. Look at OP. Clearly mentions western artists.

[Anonymous No.3191824]

>>3191821
i am OP. i mentioned it cause i was looking for books on how to draw anime in english, and my frustration about an apparent lack of good ones.

[Anonymous No.3191836]

>>3191783
>im just saying, ive studied a lot of it (or at least attempted to study by looking, reading, copying, etc.)

go back to this step. get rapid viz or betty edward's book or go to drawabox.com and start OVER completely. you need to practice form; your reference drawings look flat. you need to get a grasp of form at least before you start re-adventuring back into weeb shit.

the good news is that a little practice goes a long way and once you "get" what i'm saying it should improve what you draw from imagination significantly. but really, go back to your studies and don't just copy. really SEE the difference between drawing lines and drawing form. this is the beginning of real drawing.

[Anonymous No.3191838]

You need to have been an awkward teen during the early to mid 2000s and listened exclusively to emo pop while drawing at your desktop studying artbooks from aethereality.net

Just draw /ic/ jfc

[Anonymous No.3191878]

>>3187688
I have a bunch of anime guides if you're interested.

[Anonymous No.3191892]

>>3191878
>Buttocks

[Anonymous No.3191897]

why is this shitty, unproductive useless thread still being bumped?
stop.

[Anonymous No.3191916]

>>3191878
did you learn from those? can you post an example work you did?

[Anonymous No.3191920]

>>3191878
upload them then

[Anonymous No.3191940]

>>3191253
that stupid bitch is swinging her brush everywhere but the canvas.
What kind of moron designed this?

[Anonymous No.3192014]

>>3191897
Why does the thread need to conform to what you consider productive? Stop

[Anonymous No.3192119]

>>3191878
Yes please

[Anonymous No.3192214]

>>3191878
Yes

[Anonymous No.3192515]

>>3191878
were waitiiiing

[Anonymous No.3192516]

>>3191878
Gonna keep blueballing us huh...

[Anonymous No.3192573]

Does Urasawa have a respectable "style"? I want to learn to draw like him.

[Anonymous No.3192576]

>>3191878
>>3192516
>>3192515
>>3192214
>>3192119
this is literally from pixiv, just make an account and you'll see their tutorials

[Anonymous No.3192577]

>>3187693
good lord someone tell me proko has seen this pic

[Anonymous No.3192587]

>>3187688
If only you could understand.... Anime is a form of retroprogression. A lot of /ic/ noobs suffer from what is popularly being referred to as, "symbol drawing." Anime is the result of talented artists learning to draw 3d forms but applying those techniques back to symbol drawing.
To git good, you must first learn to draw 3d and then trace. 90% of all anime is traced keyframes with a bunch of keyed fillers.

[Anonymous No.3192590]

>>3192587
stupidest post award of the week goes to...

[Anonymous No.3192597]

>>3188315
Not the ones around me

[Anonymous No.3192599]

>>3192587

[Anonymous No.3192601]

>>3192587
>retroprogression
did you mean retrogression? or something else?

[Anonymous No.3192679]

>>3192573
I like it

[Anonymous No.3192688]

>>3192679
I think it's nice to look at without being too anime.

[Anonymous No.3192709]

>>3192587
From what I've seen and my own personal experiences learning how to draw anime, it's usually the other way around: Start with drawing anime, then later start studying real life and take bits from it to develop/refine "proper" anatomy and form.
This way you don't waste time unlearning ways of drawing that are actually detrimental to drawing anime, especially with drawing anime heads.

[Anonymous No.3192719]

>>3192688
>>3192573
Not respectable style. Don't draw like this

[Anonymous No.3192722]

>>3191601
>japanese
>vectors
You really are fucking retarded, aren't ya?

[Anonymous No.3192728]

>>3192719
Why don't you like it?

[Anonymous No.3192870]

>>3192722
they are trying to illustrate their point that japanese art is more simplified than western art

[Anonymous No.3192878]

>>3191601
Cartoons and Comics were both mediums originally made for Adults until censorship came in.

[Anonymous No.3192924]

You have to be born with Jap eyes. Even chinks and gooks can't do it.

[Anonymous No.3193014]

>>3192924
Those races don't have souls. You don't have to be japanese.

[Anonymous No.3193018]

how to draw manga series is pretty great imo

[Anonymous No.3193063]

Do you know any Japanese artist that can draw American comic style art like DC or Marvel? I bet you not. It's because there's no demand for that art style in Japan. The same can be said to western artist that can draw manga style art. Manga art is just not main stream outside Japan.

[Anonymous No.3193117]

>>3187688
>why are no western artists good at anime?
You are either looking at the wrong ones
or you aren't even aware they're western.

http://www.devilscandycomic.com/

[Anonymous No.3193129]

>>3191878
muh dick

[Anonymous No.3193157]

>>3193063
Murata?

[Anonymous No.3193170]

>>3193063
>Do you know any Japanese artist that can draw American comic style art like DC or Marvel?
You mean tracing photos?

[Anonymous No.3193202]

>>3191303
>almost all of them abuse the fuck out of screentones in lieu of illustrating the crosshatching themselves
They are drawing manga, not illustrations or fucking high art, they have deadlines to meet and dozens of pages to draw per week.

>Also saying something looks like it belongs on Tumblr is not a lefitimate criticism.
If people wanted to draw like tumblrinas they wouldn't be trying to copy Japanese pixiv artists instead.

[Anonymous No.3193209]

>>3192870
Then why not just draw it with pen?

[Anonymous No.3193301]

>>3193018
the native manga drawing books are much better

[Anonymous No.3193303]

>>3193301
Those books are by japs

[Anonymous No.3193319]

>>3191229
>>3191236
Real solid stuff
Wish it was colored tho

[Anonymous No.3193333]

>>3193170
As if mangakas don't trace

[Anonymous No.3193380]

>>3191878
Can't find buttocks on pixiv, anyone have a link?

[Anonymous No.3193400]

>>3191287
What is that picture? Please tell me it's not porn

[Anonymous No.3193401]

>>3193333
They don't trace faces and poses.

[Anonymous No.3193409]

>>3193063
>that can draw American comic style art like DC or Marvel?
you mean like shit?

[Anonymous No.3193410]

>>3193400
It's not; it's called Witch Hat Atelier or something (seinen mag).

https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=138820

[Anonymous No.3193427]

>>3193410
Holy shit that's damn beautifully drawn.

[Anonymous No.3193433]

>>3191463
Getting back on track, how would I achieve something similar to this digitally? I understand I could ink it in PS or Manga Studio and use white or near-white as the primary BG color, but how would I go about having this watercolor look? I think it could be copic markers in some parts, but to the best of my knowledge, at least, it looks like watercolor.

[Anonymous No.3193521]

>>3193063
my hero academia is a parody of american comics. There's a character that's drawn completely different than everybody else. But I understand your point.

[Anonymous No.3193635]

>>3193433
Google "photoshop watercoloer painting" etc. You can find movies like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ8R3egJ_84

[Anonymous No.3193660]

>>3193635
Hmmm, I guess I could do something similar if I start with flat, kinda cell-shaded colors. Interesting, thanks.

[Anonymous No.3193783]

>>3191261
This right here, this assumption and mindset is why Westerns all suck at drawing anime. Because this mindset is ingrained in western art culture. Every 14 that walks into their first day of highscool art class is told to immediately stop drawing that damn anime. They are told exactly what you are regration now.
>You have to study real life before you can warp it, no exceptions.
And sure this is 100% true if you want to develop your own unique style and way of warping reality, but anime isn't unique now is it? If this was how anime arts got good, their would be tons of unique animations and styles, every cartoon would look different Like it is in the west, because the west follows your mindset.
But that's not the way anime is, it's highly derivative. Every decade has it's own clearly defined highly mimicked style. It's clear they learn this style by copying it. That's how you get good at anime. You draw anime.
Now DON"T get me wrong, FUNDEMTALS are vital to all drawing, including anime. You still have to have a solid understanding of things like construction, anatomy , and perspective to draw good anime. But these things all apply to drawing anime, so if you learn how to apply them, which is where you should start when learning to draw, you apply them to your anime drawings and practice both at the same time. Just because it's not real doesn't mean the fundamentals of drawing don't apply to it.

[Anonymous No.3193797]

>Learn fundamentals
>Create pseudo anime-esque style that's actually way better than the same crap japs shit out

It's like you don't want to be good.

[Anonymous No.3193887]

>>3193797
post examples

[Anonymous No.3193943]

>>3193301
what do you mean? these books are written by japanese people and then translated i think

[Anonymous No.3193944]

>>3193401
You're stupid. They don't trace backgrounds. Instead, they just manipulate photos instead. Poses on the other hand are often traced. Gantz, Prison School, that one survival zombie manga I can't recall the name of, and so on. You're only right about the faces.

[Anonymous No.3193960]

>>3193783
Word

[Anonymous No.3193974]

>>3191940
she's aware she's part of the canvas, you dummy

[Anonymous No.3194022]

>>3193943
Only a few of them got translated iirc, I did flick through them and they are decent, the book thread has 26volumes in chinese.

But there are far more than just those, just have a look around

[Anonymous No.3194056]

>>3187707
>>3187710
>>3188237

How is his english?

[Anonymous No.3194332]

>>3191878

[Anonymous No.3194338]

THESE ARE THE THREADS ON /IC/

[Anonymous No.3194598]

>>3193943
I know this book is useful. But I have no idea why they chose this cover art of all.

[Anonymous No.3194795]

“In Europe, they were using light and shadow,” she says, “So westerners have long been paying more attention to volume than flat spaces. They don't pay that much attention to the lines.” “Even if we change a shape a bit, it still looks like the same thing. Japanese people know that. But westerners think in terms of light and shadow. If you change the light, everything changes. Japanese people know that no matter how much you change shape, the elements are still there,” Tanaka concludes, “The appeal of what we now call anime is intricately tied to culture, to certain aesthetics that cannot be easily imitated or exported.” In reply to Kelts’s question: “If it is so radically different, why would Americans and other westerners suddenly be drawn to it?” Tanaka says, “Because we borrow the imaginations of the viewers to make it work. We liberate them. They can see and feel the images themselves, by putting themselves inside them.”

In his book, Kelts introduces Anime style editor Ono Hideaki’s view: “Japanese expressionism is defined by subtraction,” says Ono. “A pretty cute girl is drawn with huge eyes down to the eyelashes, and hair is drawn to the fine details - every stands. But the ear is not shown. They only draw the parts they want. The eyes are big for sensitivity, the breasts are big, but no one wants to see nostrils, so you leave them out.”

“See, the key is finding that balance: The characters are not possible in real life, but maybe they could be possible, if real life were better than this,” he says. “But what if a more minimalist representation, a Japanese anime or manga graphic, attuned to our sensitivities and fantasies, gave us exactly, and only, what we wanted to perceive?”

http://www.cool-jp.com/articles/anime/techniques_line_drawing.php

[Anonymous No.3194813]

>>3194338
ARE YOU IMPLYING THIS IS BAD?
CHECK OUT THE /CELEB/ THREAD GOING ON WITH THE SHIT TALKING DRAMA.
TAKE THAT SHIT TO >>>/HR/

>>3194598
You have to feel it anon

[Anonymous No.3194818]

>>3194598
Because most of the material is about sketches and only the late stuff covers rendering and colors. So they didn't have a lot of choice to pick a colorful image for the cover.

[Anonymous No.3197263]

T U R P S
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P
S

[Anonymous No.3199167]

I drew that picture when I was in primary school.
I drew like once every week. Not a consistent artist, but you just gotta keep drawing man.

[Anonymous No.3199184]

>>3199167
I actually prefer the left, sorry anon.

[Anonymous No.3199199]

>>3187693
how the fuck was that thing created?

[Anonymous No.3199213]

>>3199184
the one I drew on the left was legit 2d though LMAO and the eyes were odd

[Anonymous No.3199225]

>>3192601
>retrogression
Did you mean regression? Or something else?

[Anonymous No.3199234]

>>3191315
Oh my gosh
Cant stop laughing at this
Why did you do this to me

[Anonymous No.3199282]

>>3199167
yeah but the lines were solid. The right has a bunch of inconsistent flow and chicken lines everywhere. Also the hand with the sword and the body's anatomy is a bit awkward, the left hides it cus it's basically all covered by a fucking cloak.

maybe I just like the hair of the left guy more.

[Anonymous No.3199283]

>>3199213
>>3199282
meant to reply to this.

[Anonymous No.3199422]

>>3199282
This, I like the hair on the guy on the left more, too.

[Anonymous No.3199958]

>>3199282
thats because it's a sketch ROFL. The hand is a gauntlet. and how is the anatomy weird? If you have constructive criticism, please share it with me.
The hair style is the same but the wind is blowing it. It just sounds like to me you don't draw that often. but if you do have some kind of constructive criticism that you'd like to share with me, please tell. Since I always want to improve.

[Anonymous No.3199981]

>>3187688

[Anonymous No.3200040]

>>3191878
>those replies
>not knowing superior pixiv
Wtf bros?

[Anonymous No.3200049]

>>3200040
these aren't free though, are they? gotta be premium member i think, but desu i can't understand shit on that site because like half of the shit is untranslated stuff

[Anonymous No.3200066]

>>3200049
>wants to draw anime/manga
>doesn't know Japanese
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.3200076]

>>3199981
are you real

[Anonymous No.3200087]

>>3187688
>why are no western artists good at anime?

Lack of interest from the people with the drive to actually learn art. Lack of drive to put effort into anything in life from the people interested in drawing anime.

[Anonymous No.3200246]

Lots of times you will see kids in Japan with a manga in one hand and a pencil in the other, copying the entire manga or just their favorite scenes. In the west, it's usually discouraged to copy from other artists but it is heavily encouraged in the East. In the Chinese schools for art, they only do exact and intense copies of the old masters. I think the best thing to do would be to do half copying half studying in real life, anatomy forms, or completely from imagination. But Japanese artists do not often copy from real life. They do copy from photos though, perhaps photos they took themselves.

Just find the best artists you like and copy at least 20 pieces from each of them.

[Anonymous No.3200254]

>>3200246
Here I go, going to make it now, see you suckers.

[Anonymous No.3200446]

How the fuck does eye anatomy work with anime/manga?

[Anonymous No.3200451]

>>3200446
These are symbol drawing and it's the appeal of anime/manga. Realism is wrong.

[Anonymous No.3200459]

>>3200451
How do they learn to draw the eyes from different angles? How do you take what you've learned from realism and turn into symbol drawing that looks good?

[Anonymous No.3200461]

>>3200446
>>3200451


It's just a style, it doesn't have to make sense. It just has to look nice.

[Anonymous No.3200469]

>>3200459
You only have to know three patterns. Front, side and the middle of them. Never draw some difficult angle. It's not the anatomical accuracy but the appeal that matters in anime/manga style.

[Anonymous No.3200472]

>>3187693
months of meme engineering

[Anonymous No.3200473]

>>3187693
Have you ever tried explaining rocket science to people? Same principle. Drawing is too magical.

[Anonymous No.3200475]

>>3191878
what are you using to organize files like that with thumbnails n shit??

[Anonymous No.3200485]

>>3200475
https://www.pixiv.net/howto
https://www.pixiv.net/howto/category/2
its pixiv tutorials my dude

[Anonymous No.3200489]

>>3200485
Just dropping by to say thanks.

[Anonymous No.3200494]

>>3200475
>https://www.pixiv.net/howto
There are tons all free to browse.

[Anonymous No.3200497]

>>3187688
You should just give up if you can't at least draw as well as pic related. This is the prerequisite. If you can't accomplish this, you should just fucking kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.3200503]

>>3200497

>murata fag

and you're not giving helpful advice, just go plz.

[Anonymous No.3200544]

>>3187688
Just copy tons of anime. The rest is not different from western art. Only add obsession to school girls.

[Anonymous No.3200551]

>>3200544
If it's that easy, why do so people here suck at drawing anime? Do they not copy enough?

[Anonymous No.3200562]

>>3200551
Anime faces are idealized Asian face. With all colorful hair and big eyes, their basic structure is that of Asian. That means they look young and immature. Just draw normal busty western woman and put ten years older and flatter face. You'll get an anime girl.

[Anonymous No.3200565]

>>3200562
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.3200808]

>>3200562
>Anime faces are idealized Asian face
kys

[Anonymous No.3200832]

>>3200562
You mean ten years younger, right?

[Anonymous No.3201572]

>>3200808
>this retard thinks nips draw anime to imitate wh*tes
lol

[Anonymous No.3201574]

>>3200562
>their basic structure is that of Asian. That means they look young and immature.

they look young, because that is ideal.

[Anonymous No.3201582]

>>3191287
>>3193400
>>3193410
I would just like to thank you for showing me this, allow me to give something in return:
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=77749

[Anonymous No.3201629]

>>3200562
Anime faces are sexualized children's faces and you know it. Look at the construction, it's neotenic as fuck.

[Anonymous No.3201634]

You can train yourself to draw ANYTHING. You have the benefit of having access to such a vast collection of anime and manga that your lifespan isn't long enough to allow you to go through all of it. You have the materials to study. You have hands and a brain. Nothing, literally not a fucking thing is stopping you except for being a lazy unmotivated piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.3201639]

>>3200562
>>3200565


The skull on those girls are white. The eyes are distinctively stylized to look white. Their cheek to chin is angled to look white. The only race in the world with colorful eyes are whites. The colorful hair is an anime trope so the viewer knows what to expect about the character from first impressions I.E the white hair girl is the reserved girl, blonde girl is the bashful foreigner (now these days, or the last 10 years desu because of TOLOVERU creator, the role is swapped with silver/white hair because that's an asian fantasy to have a blonde submissive german gf) blue hair being the spunky confident girl, light blue hair being the intelligent wise girl, green hair being quick thinker "i'm here for you" girl, dark brown hair being the childhood friend/sister archtype, light brown hair being your typical Japanese, etc

That is all out of my head from watching too much of this crap.

THE POINT IS they're drawn to look like whites for a global market appeal. EVA would not have been a worldwide hit if Asuka looked like mulan and rei had her eyes shoved beyond her cheeks.

[Anonymous No.3201643]

>>3201639
>for a global market appeal
Fucking kek.
Japs don't care about you pirates baka gaijin. Domestic market is first and foremost for them.

>looked like mulan
>animation made by burgers catering to burger taste
>implying japs would prefer it to their own style
Stop posting.

[Anonymous No.3201647]

>>3201643

If Japs only cared about themselves they wouldn't be making 50 shows every quarter. Now explain to me what their "style" is. Hint: I've already did the work for you in the paragraph you did not read/willing ignored because you don't want to admit it.

[Anonymous No.3201649]

>>3200808
>>3201639
have you seen white people in anime

[Anonymous No.3201650]

>>3201649
yeah, like 99% of anime characters

all of 2002 vs...

[Anonymous No.3201651]

>>3201650
1 fucking season

and that's not even counting the adult content and special VN only anime

[Anonymous No.3201653]

>>3201651

Oh and yearly running childrens anime. How could I forget that?

[Anonymous No.3201655]

>>3201653
actually I see that in the chart there scatch that

explain to me how a dwindling population can stomach all those cartoo--oh wait it's not just for them now is it?

[Anonymous No.3201656]

>>3201653
yes ok so i guess the simpsons are asian then?

[Anonymous No.3201657]

>>3201656

>but but something something irrelevant!!!
I win this debate. You can't refute anything I bring up. Case in point.

[Anonymous No.3201671]

>>3201657
sorry for assuming you would be able to make the connection on your own, you obviously need some help so i'll spell it out for you. the simpsons have a characteristically non-white feature (aka yellow skin, a blue afro in marge's case), but the audience can assume they're white because there are other characters in the show with more asian features (pic related). the characters are white until proven otherwise, which is the same logic you can apply to anime: they're japanese until proven otherwise. you want to argue that anime is drawn with whites as a model? sure, but give me something more substantial than "boo hoo hair colour eye colour." Facial structure is just a complete fallacy because most whites are too obese for anything resembling cheekbones or jawbones.

[Anonymous No.3201674]

>>3201671
we're talking about anime here which closely resembles human anatomy I'm not going to read your diversion

refute my points or just stop replying

[Anonymous No.3201676]

>>3201671
tldr white people in anime are oftentimes given stereotypically white features just like asian people or black or whatever in cartoons are given features according to their racial stereotypes.

i've sperged out enough about this so have some more images of foreigners in anime

[Anonymous No.3201680]

>>3191395
>>3191463
This, fucking this. I always wondered why illustrations from the West and Japan had a different air to them, and I reached a similar conclusion.

Western art focuses a lot on realism, while Japanese art focuses a lot on expression, making liberties to compromise 'correctness'.

[Anonymous No.3201684]

>>3201676
I'm just going to assume you don't draw.

[Anonymous No.3201693]

>>3201684
well i guess you can assume whatever you'd like, but i was the anon who did >>3187726 if that gives you a better point of reference. feel free to critique, as long as it's not "you're drawing them too white"

[Anonymous No.3201711]

>>3201693
>but i was the anon who did >>3187726

then you shouldn't be this retarded

[Anonymous No.3201728]

>>3201671
>most whites are too obese for anything resembling cheekbones or jawbones.

The fuck?

[Anonymous No.3201752]

>>3201728
sorry, they are that way where i live

[Anonymous No.3201756]

>>3201752
Well in America this is the average white face

[Anonymous No.3201757]

>>3201711

[Anonymous No.3201759]

>>3201757

faggot

I'm glad you admit defeat. White supremacy in the media is nothing to be ashamed of admitting.

[Anonymous No.3201770]

>>3201759
genuinely curious, can you explain why asians are better at cosplaying?

[Anonymous No.3201772]

>>3201770
I don't follow cosplay. Post some photos of good asian cosplayers.

But you and I both know this will just become another pissing match where I find bad asian cosplayers and you find bad western cosplayers. Feel free to waste more of your time, though.

[Anonymous No.3201778]

>>3201772
comparison

your turn

[Anonymous No.3201784]

>>3201772
i can't say i hate pissing matches

[Anonymous No.3201786]

>>3201778

[Anonymous No.3201787]

>>3201786
dva is literally an asian character

Me: 2 pts
You: -2 pts

[Anonymous No.3201796]

>>3201770
That's because anime face is based on Asian young people. She is 30 years old this year but looks like a middle schooler straight from some anime. People from other races just look way older than whatever anime characters they cosplay.

[Anonymous No.3201799]

>>3201787
fine we can play by your arbitrary rules

[Anonymous No.3201800]

>>3201799

[Anonymous No.3201815]

>>3201799
That should be common knowledge. Or did you think you could try and trick me? I'm quite knowledge.
>>3201796
more made up bs by a crab

[Anonymous No.3201817]

>>3201815

[Not that biter No.3201818]

>>3201817
>>3201815
I don’t think either of them are “very” good.

[Anonymous No.3201820]

>>3201818
Enough good is good enough. Post some, I don't know anything about /cgl/

[Anonymous No.3201822]

>>3191253
nips can draw in perspective, this hack of yours can only draw flat poses.

[Anonymous No.3201823]

>>3201820

[Professional Kara Boga Turk No.3201826]

>>3201820
Honestly I don’t know shit about cosplay. Just saying that most of these cunts are trying to capture the appearance only.

[Anonymous No.3201827]

>>3201823
c'mon you can do better than this

[Anonymous No.3201830]

>>3201827
looks nothing like her and this is pointless

we can find good cosplayers of white and asian girls

[Anonymous No.3201837]

>>3201830
are you honestly trying to tell me that >>3201823 and >>3201817 look more like her?


>this is pointless
you're right, but you were also the one welcoming the challenge. is it getting too hard on your end to find good cosplayers?

[Anonymous No.3201839]

>>3201572
>nips going through plastic surgery because they want to look more white
can't make this shit up

[Anonymous No.3201840]

[Anonymous No.3201842]

[Anonymous No.3201846]

>>3201837
>is it getting too hard on your end to find good cosplayers?

No, it's because I barely drew today and this is taking up my time.
>are you honestly trying to tell me that >>3201823 (You) and >>3201817 (You) look more like her?

yes, the asian one looks like a heavy photoshop soulless doll and the Caucasian one looks like shes having fun

[Anonymous No.3201847]

>>3201846
my last one

me: 10 points
you: 4 points

[Anonymous No.3201848]

This isn't /cgl/ fuck off.

[Anonymous No.3201860]

>>3201847
alright seeing as you actually believe this is your win, i'll pray your taste doesn't keep you from making it. i hope you have as much fun drawing as caucasian sakura did cosplaying.

[Anonymous No.3201881]

>>3192573
oh fug i just remembered that pic is billy bat
ebin story

[Anonymous No.3201883]

>>3192709
This nigga gets it. This is exactly what I did to get the animu style.

[Anonymous No.3202462]

>>3187688
Western (white) artists are always looked down upon when drawing anime its incredibly taboo so they all stop trying or change their style.

[Anonymous No.3202752]

>>3187688
You could start by STUDYING JAPANESE ART BOOKS DIRECTED SOLELY AT THE STYLE, one who has been drawn by a GOOD artist whose style you actually WANT to mimic, not some western shithead without an ounce of talent who never drew anything outside his shitty blog.

[Anonymous No.3202762]

>>3200461
THIS. Fucking this. As an artist you're not trying to be a camera, you're just trying to make it look nice.

[Anonymous No.3203592]

>>3202752
can you tell me what book that is senpai?
>pref a link おねがい

[Anonymous No.3203651]

>>3202752
I'll happily take some recommendations. I've got sketching manga style that I'm checking out right now. I remember years ago I actually brought some How to draw manga book and have no idea where it went, probably thrown away.

[Anonymous No.3203895]

just follow the artists you like on twitter, they post references and tutorials and shit all the time

[Anonymous No.3204731]

>>3201639
If anyone was wondering why the vast majority of the west sucks at drawing anime while Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese etc. easily draw passable anime, this is why. Asians are deforming based on what they know and it turns out anime, westerners deform based on their default person and it looks like garbage. The Japanese literally have threads on 2ch just to make fun of western "anime".

If you actually objectively look at the few details anime faces include, every detail is inspired by some Asian phenotype. The eyes are drawn like scaled up "almond" eyes with a palpebral slant, the eyes are widely spaced with no tear ducts in between (hidden by epicanthic fold), the nose-bridge is low and thin, the eyes are shallow set, the eyebrows are separated far from the eyes and the eyebrows are straight and thin (because no brow ridge or temples to curve around). The list goes on and on.

[Anonymous No.3204742]

>>3204731
You still ignore the skull and keep focusing on the front view. You can't tell 100% racial make up from a front view when doing comparative anatomy, you need to do it from a profile. When you do so your theory falls apart and you're back to the truth.

>The list goes on and on.

Oh do tell us the continued list. I'd like to hear it. I also cannot see how you can see the eyefold to eyelid and still think that's comparative to asian eyefolds. Unless you're blind that does not make sense when the face is rotated and the eyes are sunken in. You refuse to bring that up though, because you're a yellow fever barbarian.

>The Japanese literally have threads on 2ch just to make fun of western "anime".
those threads are translated 4chan threads off /a/ I'm 100% guaranteed you're mistaking to try and make a point.

[Anonymous No.3204756]

>>3204742
>you're a yellow fever barbarian
Why are you taking this so personally? Do you really want to be an anime character that badly? Literally no white person above the age of 50 thinks moe characters look like themselves, they usually think they look like aliens or deformed down syndrome babies. Its just you and some other millennials that grew up with anime.

Since you seem to be blind to facial features, think of it this way instead. Japanese men on the whole prefer Asian women to western women. Japanese AV is by far the most consumed kind of porn in Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan. Why would japanese creators draw western women when the vast majority would rather have asian? Its also a well known fact that east asians are the most neotenic people, just like anime characters. Genetic studies have been done many times to prove this obvious fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny_in_humans

>The list goes on an on.
Its really obvious that your visuo-spatial IQ is far below average, but I'll list a few more for anyone else reading this. The mandibular ramus is short, giving the face a short and wide appearance. The chin doesn't protrude at all, and you would definitely never see a cleft-chinned anime character. The small jaw is probably the most defining feature of a moe character besides the huge eyes and genetically the Japanese have far smaller jaws than europeans. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19815155
They don't have protruding temples or brow ridges, traits that 100% of caucasoid people have but only a few asians have. They have tiny mouths which is a neotenic trait more common in asians (not impossible in caucasoids though, unlike the lack of brow ridges).

>those threads are translated 4chan threads off /a/
Lol, you have no idea what I'm talking about.
>I'm 100% guaranteed you're mistaking to try and make a point.
Nah, I read the threads myself because I'm JLPT n1

[Anonymous No.3204770]

>>3204756
>Japanese men on the whole prefer Asian women to western women
>source: my ass
>Why would japanese creators draw western women when the vast majority would rather have asian?
So why are their birthrates on a massive decline again?
>Its also a well known fact that east asians are the most neotenic people, just like anime characters
Oh remind me how Yoko is like your typical Japanese.


The link you provided also just body bags yourself. Let me point it out for you because you're stupid

>In a study of sixty Caucasian female faces, the average facial composite of the fifteen faces considered most attractive differed from the facial composite of the whole by having a reduced lower facial region, a thinner jaw, and a higher forehead.[36]
Where do we see these features? In anime girls.
>and his study led him to conclude that "large eyes" were the most "effective" of the "neonate cues
Who has large eyes? White people...and anime girls.
>Cunningham said that Asian judges preferred women with "less mature faces" and smaller mouths than the White judges

This isn't a racial make up feature, but the Jap male judges admitting to being a pedophile. Kids have bigger heads and the 80/20 rule applies to almost every modern anime (child like face/adult body). All of this is simply proportion at this point.
>Its really obvious that your visuo-spatial IQ is far below average,
Attacking my IQ. Typical.

The entire paragrah after that sentence (I'm not going to green text all that shit) contradicts the link you posted about neonate cues. Are you fucking stupid or what? You just body bagged yourself.

Have a youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff1-_gBSb78

--
>Nah, I read the threads myself because I'm JLPT n1

This is the only thing you trump me at. Good job. I'm JLPT n3.

[Anonymous No.3204781]

>>3204770
>Japanese men on the whole prefer Asian women to western women
>source: my ass
No, my source is common sense from having lived in Japan and interacting with Japanese men. But sure, here you go, hard facts.

>So why are their birthrates on a massive decline again?
Low birthrates are a sign of a developed country, not of the braindead "lol they just masturbate to hentai" conclusion you often see on reddit and youtube comments. Germany, Hungary, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Spain, and Portugal all have lower birth rates than Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

Jesus, you're legitimately clinically retarded. I didn't want to say it earlier, but your rhetoric earlier made me suspect it.
>me: 10 points
>you: 4 points
This is the exact same shit kindergarteners say to each other when they argue. Your brain is far below the bell curve.


>In a study of sixty Caucasian female faces, the average facial composite of the fifteen faces considered most attractive differed from the facial composite of the whole by having a reduced lower facial region, a thinner jaw, and a higher forehead.
A person with a functioning brain immediately sees that the "15 most attractive caucasian faces" are relative to all 60 caucasian faces. In other words, out of the 60 faces of white women, the top 15 white women had reduced lower facial region compared to the average white woman. It has literally nothing to do with asians. Your reading comprehension is so fucking awful that you interpreted it to somehow be related to Asians.

>Who has large eyes? White people...and anime girls.
I already demonstrated the eye shape is clearly based off of wide eyed asians. The eyeshape of caucasoids is completely different from the eyeshape of anime, as everyone else on this board knows. Anime eye size is obviously far from reality but just fyi Indians have way larger eyes than Euros on average.

[Anonymous No.3204782]

>>3204770
Some more quotes from that article demonstrating you're fucking retarded:

>Ashley Montagu said that the following neotenous traits are in women when compared to men: more delicate skeleton, smoother ligament attachments, smaller mastoid processes, reduced brow ridges...
>Montagu said that "The Mongoloid skull has proceeded further than in any other people."[5] "The Mongoloid skull, whether Chinese or Japanese, has been rather more neotenized than the Caucasoid or European."[5]
>Montagu further observed that "the skeleton of the classic Mongoloid type is very delicately made, even down to the character of the sutures of the skull which, like those of the infant skull, are relatively smooth and untortuous. In fact the Mongoloid presents so many physical traits which are associated with the late fetus or young infant that he has been called a fetalized, infantilized or pedomorphic type.
>Frederick S. Hulse said that "...modern Europeans are, on average, distinctly less pedomorphic than are most non-Europeans...".[47]

[Anonymous No.3204791]

>>3204781
>No, my source is common sense from having lived in Japan and interacting with Japanese men.

Did you interact with anime artist? That's the topic of this thread, Mr English teacher living on a teachers visa provided by the JET program sir.

You also must be legally blind because hentai is in the top search. It'd be stupid to say that all Japanese beat it off to cartoons. That's like saying all Americans eat Mc Donalds every week.

>Low birthrates are a sign of a developed country, not of the braindead "lol they just masturbate to hentai" conclusion you often see on reddit and youtube comments.

Japan's reign ended in the 90s. They haven't made anything revolutionary since then. Their suzukis and stereos and phones have been outclassed. God said to be fruitful and replenish the earth. A developed nation not blessed by God is a nation rejecting his word. And that is why they're on decline.

>This is the exact same shit kindergarteners say to each other when they argue. Your brain is far below the bell curve.
>t. english teacher in japan thinking he is better than me
>A person with a functioning brain immediately sees that the "15 most attractive caucasian faces" are relative to all 60 caucasian faces. I
it's not about that, but what I pointed out which you CONTINUE to ignore--the lower facial region, thinner jaw, and higher forehead. On top of the eyes set in the skull on profile view. One cannot simply ignore this when drawing.

>I already demonstrated the eye shape is clearly based off of wide eyed asians. The eyeshape of caucasoids is completely different from the eyeshape of anime, as everyone else on this board knows.

I've said the words "comparative anatomy" like 10 times now and you continue to talk about the flat front view.

For example explain to me how you can tell the shape of a nose from the front view. Hint for you Mr. English teacher: You can't 100% do it. Not until you see it from a profile.

[Anonymous No.3204795]

>>3204791
cont. for if you could tell then the bitches from the CIA wouldn't have such a hard time with facial recognition software. Google wouldn't be spending billions on gathering photos into a databank. The human face is complex and you cannot get the jist of it from just one angle. The eyes, however, on a stylized character gives it away immediately that they're white from the subtle cues of eye anatomy.
>Some more quotes from that article demonstrating you're fucking retarded:
comparative anatomy

I'm waiting.

[Anonymous No.3204830]

>>3204791
I'm not an english teacher lol, never have been either.

>You also must be legally blind because hentai is in the top search
Its like rank 8, far below the top 7 which all involve real japanese women. The majority of japanese men prefer live JAV, then hentai. Your point was that Japanese men prefer Western women, but Western porn doesn't even show up.

>trying to argue japan isn't a developed country
literally can't make this shit up. this isn't even worth debating

>eyes are deepset from the side
Why would japanese artists include on their kawaii little girls a masculine, gerontomorphic trait like deep set eyes? I don't think otakus are attracted to Odin/Thor like facial features.

Scarlett Johannson, known for portraying anime characters, doesn't resemble anime side profile at all. Frankly, anime side face is famous for not making any sense, it honestly resembles cats more than humans. At the very least it sure as hell doesn't look like a caucasian profile. If you've ever looked at a 3D model or figure of an anime character, you'd see their faces are flat as hell.

[Anonymous No.3204832]

>>3204830
pic

[Anonymous No.3204836]

>>3204832
God damn this english teacher body baggin' himself. Lay off the yellow fever pride my man.

[Anonymous No.3204837]

>>3204832
Pic related has seemingly "deep set eyes" (but without the lines and shading to really represent deep set eyes) in the first frame, but literally the next frame you can see he has a flat face from his facial contour.

[Anonymous No.3204838]

>>3204837
Why find the crappiest example? You keep making a fool of yourself.

[Anonymous No.3204840]

>>3204836
Okay, I give up. I understand why the other guy left now. You can't honestly think scarlett's protruding brow ridge, huge nosebridge and protruding chin resemble anime without being profoundly visually impaired.

Ima let you go now, you can keep being retarded. Not worth reasoning with someone who can't even understand a wikipedia article written at a 6th grade level.

[Anonymous No.3204846]

>>3204840
You can't make this shit up. I love how that pic on the right isn't even in the same angle then drawing an eye flat while changing the position of the ear. Dishonest gooks.

Yeah run away. You basically made yourself look like a massive idiot and I beat you not once not twice not three times but 4 times in a single morning.

No matter how much you defend yourself on an image board an asian girlfriend will never come to you.

[Anonymous No.3204853]

This argument is ridiculous. It's ok whether anime people are white or Japanese. Anime people are anime people.

[Anonymous No.3204855]

>>3204853
>This argument is ridiculous. It's ok whether anime people are white or Japanese.

no it's not. When the proof is in the pudding you back peddle and say "i-it doesn't matter okay! it's just cartoons!" It does matter.

[Anonymous No.3204865]

there are actually retards out there that hold a steadfast belief that fucking chinese cartoons of all things is a physical representation of white people or desire to be white people in japan? nah you gotta be baiting me lmao

[Anonymous No.3204868]

>>3204865
There are actually retards out there that refuse facts.