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What's your definition of art? Why do you want to make it?

https://youtu.be/9aGRHOpMRUg

>> No.3182840

>>3182300
Art is a way of expression in which you take account art history as well as current events, besides all that art should be for contemplation, that's why white paintings are art and anime girls are not art.

>> No.3182844

>>3182300
Everything that could be expressed through realism and accurate portrayal of reality has been said. Since a while people has been looking for different forms of expression

>> No.3182860

I liked how in the video they kept talking about how if you could get past the initial rejection of white paintings, etc, that you might find something valuable beyond that, but never gave any examples of what that might be.

>> No.3182867

>>3182860
the emperor has no clothes

>> No.3182870

>>3182860
Because that's for you as the viewer to find out, maybe you still hate it, that is just as acceptable a response

>> No.3182875

>>3182840
How to trigger all the 14 year old's that draw anime girls

>> No.3182876

>>3182867
That's the laziest thing one could say
>>3182860
the video is bad I agree, but for me there are many valuable things in these white paintings (not all). For example Malevich's white on white is interesting if you read about how russia was in the 1910s and if you read about how the art world was at that time, it's rewarding to see how simple Malevich became. A more contemporary example would be Ryman's white paintings, Ryman calls himself a realist, because he's anti-illusion, he treats paint as paint, so one could call him a materialist, it's rewarding to see his paintings because they are simple and have nice compositions, that's pretty much it, they are just nice to look at and that's the beauty of them.

>> No.3182877

>>3182300
My definition of art would be the visual expression of emotion and ideas without favouring the ideas over the form.

>> No.3182880

>>3182876
put as much effort into it as modern artists.

>> No.3182881

>>3182300
It is pretty simple, I want to make a comic that can literally touch peoples hearts and maybe even make their life a little better. I'm not trying to change the world I'm trying to be the best artist I can to make a difference and not waste my time here specially not waste my neuro plasticity

>> No.3182883

>>3182876
That's what a lot of people actually miss, they forget or don't realise that art is at its core is visual and get caught up in meaning when there may not be any at all, which is completely fine if the result is visually interesting.

>> No.3182887

>>3182880
yes yes, modern art is lazy, money laundering, jews, degenerate art , damn post-modernists and so on

>> No.3182891

>>3182887
i dont know about all that, i do know its terrible and shouldnt be given as big a platform as it is.

>> No.3182893

>>3182891
This is so insanely ignorant, go back to drawing your OC.

>> No.3182898

>>3182893
modern art is shit. get over it

>> No.3182906

>>3182898
No, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about

>> No.3182909

>>3182906
based on what?

>> No.3182911

>>3182300
This is a CIA black ops during the rise of communism that was meant to be used as a weapon to degenerate.

>> No.3182915

>>3182883
exactly, most of the time modern and contemporary artists are just interested in the visual aspects of painting, that's why abstract expressionism was born. People tend to disregard contemporary art as pretentious but many times the artists themselves say that their art is just paint on a canvas. And even when looking back, at a Velazquez for example, we don't care who the subject of the portrait is or what the meaning behind the portrait is, we care about how Velazquez did that painting, how it looks and how it makes us look.

>> No.3182916

>>3182909
You're hatred for some of the most emotionally expressive pieces of art ever created. Modern art is bigger than all of your furry OC for a reason.

>> No.3182917

art's like...

I want to go home so fucking badly. Please take me home, Claire.

>> No.3182920
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3182920

>>3182909
You don't have to like it, just respect it.

>> No.3182924

>>3182916
the raft of the medusa is emotionally expressive, the pieta is emotional. they just dont neglect artistic excellence.

>> No.3182925

>>3182920
it doesnt respect me. it gives me filth to look at and expects me to derive my own meaning to it in order to make up for its lack of content. not only does it not respect me, a lot of it is specifically designed to anger and outrage. its obnoxious trash

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3182928

>>3182925

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>>3182925
No meaning necessary
"...this bull is a bull and this horse is a horse... If you give a meaning to certain things in my paintings it may be very true, but it is not my idea to give this meaning. What ideas and conclusions you have got I obtained too, but instinctively, unconsciously. I make the painting for the painting. I paint the objects for what they are." also pic related portrait by Picasso when he was 15 years old and then a later portrait on the right because you need some sort of proof that he is skilled? Saying Guenica has a lack of content is fucking ridiculous btw you're the one that looks stupid because the content of the painting is so obvious, go google it you muppet

>> No.3182933

>>3182925
>>3182928
I'm curious, when you look at a work like this, does it anger you for the lack of content?

>> No.3182935

>>3182933
>>3182928
Grrr not enough anime tiddies!!!!!"111!! >:^(

>> No.3182936

>>3182933
what lack of content? great values, perspective. if this was what modern art was most of the time i wouldnt be saying anything

>> No.3182941

>>3182930
gotta say so much crap to justify crap.

>> No.3182942

>>3182936
Okay but a painting of the chaos caused by the bombing of Guernica is not enough content?

>> No.3182943
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3182943

>>3182300
There is no way you can argue that a blank canvas of "art" is objectively better than or even equal to something art like this. Something, anything is better than nothing.

>> No.3182946

>>3182941
That's the thing you don't get that quote wasn't justifying anything you dummy.

>> No.3182947

>>3182942
well it looks like shit for one thing. kind of insulting

>> No.3182953

>>3182947
It's fine for you to think that, but why does everything have to be so pretty? its a painting of a bombing for fuck sake that's not a pretty sight, his style only emphasises the emotion

>> No.3182956

>>3182936
I mean I'm trying to figure out what you mean by content, picasso has a great eye for composition, for oils, colors (not talking about guernica) among other things. Is content for you just realism? I mean, that's fine but seems kinda superficial

>> No.3182957

>>3182925
Fucking this

>>3182930
It's funny how "le deep" you think that statement is-it changes nothing. I as the viewer am not obligated to give a shit about ugly, vacuous retard art no matter how many epithets you hurl at me for not ascribing to the asinine self-important mouth-breather analysis of why I should.

>> No.3182958

>>3182947
Why does something need to look realistic to have an emotional connection to it?

>> No.3182959

>>3182953
no bombing is not pretty, and a painting doesnt have to be pretty. it should be good. by all means show the horrors of war, but dont make it look like a childs scribbling

>> No.3182962
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3182962

>What is Art?
Art used to be a word to describe mastery and beauty. When someone was referred as an "artist", it would signify that person was bearer of great skill and mastery on something (not exclusively paintings). When something was described as "Art", that would mean it was the outcome of unprecedented talent and genius, once again not limited to paintings.

However, in more recent times, the usage of the term Art was hijacked by snobs and charlatans alike, with the intent to classify valueless garbage and products of little to no skill as "Art". Eventually, "Art" started being so misused and misrepresented that, at some point, it became equivalent to "Everything". That is to say: Nowadays, Everything can be referred to as Art. Everything IS Art. No matter what something is, from literal garbage to turds in a can, it's not uncommon for a person to be heavily frowned upon when someone dares to take the original definition of Art as basis for saying "wtf, this isn't Art!". Quick are the self-proclaimed "Experts" and "Renowned Artists" to retaliate with words like: "Who are YOU to say what is and isn't Art?"

So, going back to your question...

>What is Art?
Nowadays, after all the abuse and misuse being taken as the norm, Art is an empty, meaningless term. It means nothing. After all, if a term can be used to define everything, it might as well not be able to define anything at all.

>> No.3182963

>>3182959
A babies scribbling will be infinitely more interesting to look at than a 13 year olds furry art despite it being more technically skilled, surely?

>> No.3182964
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3182964

>>3182959
>no bombing is not pretty,
Ever seen castle bravo? It's breathtaking.

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3182968

Lets finally post some REAL art in this thread.

>> No.3182972

>>3182957
Well but no one is forcing you to like contemporary art. Is funny that every time there's an art discussion people will come and complain about how art sucks, but nobody is forcing anyone.

>> No.3182973

>>3182968
It isn't art though because there is no expression or technical skill, unlike Picasso. saying Picasso is a retard who cant paint is just factually wrong LMAOO

>> No.3182978
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3182978

>>3182943
There is a way to do that because it depends on what people like and if people find Mark Rothko's paintings more visually appealing than this then that is fine

>> No.3182982

>>3182930
If it wasn't for the fucking artists' prestige, no one would give a flying fuck for that ugly painting. You fucking pretentious fuck


>>3182928
This painting is actually good though.

I really hope you guys aren't the type to stand in front of a Pollock or Rothko painting with a furrowed brow; It's fucking pretentious and you aren't fooling anyone but yourself

>> No.3182984

>>3182982
I'm not pretentious I just don't want you fucking dictators telling me why I should enjoy art

>> No.3182985

>>3182982
Modern era is all about "intention">True skill.

That's why you have fucking tumblr-shit tier paintings, sculptures, and photographs; because their INTENTIONS are "DEEP"

There's nothing wrong with saying that garbage is "art" though. Just don't expect anyone to think it's good (except for the other pseuds and snobs)

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3182986

>>3182973
I'm not the one who said that. Art can take different forms and styles, but when art becomes an un-chiseled rock or a blank canvas then you know you've hit "beauty is in the eye of the beholder you bigot!" tier. There should exist a standard of quality.

>> No.3182989

>>3182982
But romantism is extremely close to a rothko for example, especially this one that an anon posted >>3182978

>> No.3182992

i think this question is dumb and the people that spend their time discussing it have nothing to contribute and would rather intellectually masturbate themselves in circles feeling smug but achieving literally nothing

>> No.3182995

>>3182992
>what is philosophy .

>> No.3182998

>>3182986
There is a standard of quality, that's why galleries don't want paintings of fruit and food.

>> No.3182999

>>3182986
>The painting they are praising at the bottom for being "done right" is the most boring shit I've seen in a while, it looks like wall art from a single 40 year old woman's living room.I fucking despise POST-Modernism, because it relies on context, Modernism doesn't, you can analyse a Francis Bacon without having someone explain it to you, it may not be what he intended but you should take what you want from the painting.

>> No.3183001

>>3182992
Agreed.

Anything that is created is art, to the pencil you use and the dish you eat out of.

The DISTINCTION is if it's GOOD or BAD, not if it's art or not.

And majority of modern art and abstract paintings are BAD. fucking BAD

>>3182998
agreed.

>> No.3183004

>>3182986
I would only call a painting "bad" if I didnt find it interesting to look at, that is my only criteria. It can have everything else but if I don't find it interesting then I don't fucking care.

>> No.3183007
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3183007

I'm curious, do you guys consider Richter garbage? because he's contemporary, he's highly respected by the art world and he paints better than all of you. So is he an evil post-modernist that disrespects "true" art or is he a good painter?

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3183010

>>3183007

>> No.3183014

>>3183007
Technically skilled with paint which seems to be the only thing that matters to these jabronis.

>> No.3183018

>>3183010
>>3183007
i dont see any value in these personally. they look like paintings copied from bland stock photos

>> No.3183024

>>3183018
^^^^yea this

>> No.3183030

>>3183018
>>3183024

the last one is his daughter looking at a abstract painting (green on green) that he painted. So technique is not what brings value for you anons, and expression is also not what brings value (otherwise rothko would be loved by you), then define value.
What makes a painting good?
Valkyries riding horses with a greyish sky on the background?

>> No.3183038

>>3183030
Expression is exactly what brings value to me, the expression in these pieces just isn't all that visual

>> No.3183040

>>3183038
Can you show a painting that you deeply enjoy?

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3183047

>>3183030
>>3183038
Compared to something like a Francis Bacon, which is so visually violent. I think i've given off the impression that realism sucks and that technical skill doesn't matter but what I'm saying is it takes a lot of technical skill to express emotion and ideas visually.

>>3183040
pic related, cool painting by Georg Baselitz

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>>3183040
More

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3183053

>>3183040
Another one

>> No.3183055

>>3183047
oh I thought that you were one of the anons that were against modern art. I like Baselitz.
I showed Ritcher for the anons that just like realism and hate contemporary art. Ritcher is an artist that explores both things.

>> No.3183061

>>3183055
I'm all for realism as long as it is interesting, I enjoy abstract art, renaissance paintings and the expressionist stuff for completely different reasons. Its like saying Ambient music is trash compared to Metal or Prog rock because there is less going on.

>> No.3183072

>>3183055
Just done some googling and Richter definitely has a handful of paintings I like on the realism side

>> No.3183090

>>3182300
>vox doesn't mention the shady amounts of money laundering that mostly happen with contemporary art
I can smell the bias

>> No.3183098

>>3183072
Richter explores photography, both on the historical side and on the material side. So for example, there are paintings where he paints his family, including a nazi uncle that he had, and an aunt that had schizophrenia and ended up being killed by the nazis. He then blurs these paintings, giving them an almost abstract feel, like a memory. He has many interesting works, you should see and read things by and about him.

https://www.gerhard-richter.com/en/art/paintings

>> No.3183107

We all know that the only thing worthy of being called art is anime. Anything other than that is overdetailed, prententious garbage.

>> No.3183108

>>3183053
what kind of violent psychopath are you

>> No.3183112

>>3183107
What about anime that doesn't look like anime?

>> No.3183117

>>3183112
Contradictory statement.

>> No.3183126

>>3183108
This isn't a self portrait

>> No.3183128

>>3183098
Those are definitely my favourites, very eerie

>> No.3183130

>>3183117
honestly depends on what your definition of anime is.

>> No.3183133

>>3183130
There is only one definition, numbskull.

>> No.3183141
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3183141

Modern art just stems from a retarded modern psyche that definitions are fluid and infinite and that nothing is real

Which is fucking retarded

Hence why as a byproduct modern art also has became retarded

>> No.3183142

>>3183141
What you described is Post-Modernism not Modernism

>> No.3183143

>>3183142
Tomato Tamato

It's 2017 don't you know definitions are fluid

God isn't real anon

>> No.3183144

>>3183143
No, Post Modernism and Modernism are very different, definitions are not fluid and Modern art isn't retarded just because you don't like it

>> No.3183150

>>3183144
Why

Man creates definitions anon
My definition is that modern art and post-modern are retarded
I can group up a bunch of people, form a committee send it to Websters and they might change the definition making it what I view it as simply because I don't like it

And you won't be able to stop me Anon

>> No.3183156

>>3183150
Go for it. It will always be the ramblings of an autistic pleb from /ic/

>> No.3183163
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3183163

Good manga can be art too. Oyasumi Pun Pun has amazingly detailed art, interesting story, great characters, thought-provoking themes. Same for Berserk.

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3183167

>>3183163
Fuck off
Pun Pun is made for fucking angsty teens
All it does is romanticize depression
There's barely any fucking thought put into it

>> No.3183178

>>3183150

Is not retarded, it's a money laundering scheme were the government is balls deep in.

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3183187

plebs

>> No.3183212

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc
Good video to watch on this subject.

>> No.3183221

>>3182925
Well said. That kind of art doesnt respect the viewer.

>> No.3183241

>>3183167
that seems pretty good t b h

>> No.3183298
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3183298

This is real art.

>> No.3183299

>>3183212
Thanks for posting this. I enjoyed it very much.

>> No.3183305

>>3183010
>>3183007
I really like these
>>3182999
I also like that painting on the bottom

I think maybe you guys are overthinking all this 'art' stuff

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>>3183298
hmmmmmmmmmmmm

>> No.3183320

>>3182300
art is doing what you love, the most common disciplines doing with love are the fine arts

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3183790

>>3182300
In order to differentiate art from let's say a "creation" it's important to know the difference between an artist and a regular person who creates something.
'Artist' is a job. An artist sells his work to make a living. Art is therefore an ORIGINAL creation that is sold. It has the value of its creator's worth at the moment.

>> No.3183831

>>3183221
Art doesn't exist for you, it exists for the artist, It's not the art's job to respect you. That isn't a criticism

>> No.3183891

>>3183298
more so than this at least
>>3182920

>> No.3184451

>>3183167
>a realistic depiction of various kinds of depressed people and messed up family lives overlaid with absurdist visual comedy is romanticizing depression
Nothing good ever comes from Punpun's depression. All he does is consistently fuck himself over.
It's not like 13 Reasons Why where everyone is super guilty and regrets messing with the girl who killed herself.

>> No.3184457

>>3183831
then put it up in your own house and leave it there

>ooo ooo art doesnt exist for you, now i will put my
"art" in galleries and online and yell at people who dont like it because its just for me

>> No.3184483

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

>> No.3184530

>>3182844
no

>> No.3184733

Modern art, the method Jews created to destroy the art world.

>> No.3184753

>>3184733
Not just art but modern architecture as well. Its all designed to destroy the human spirit. Ive heard how having a messy bedroom negatively affects your mental state, how could constantly being exposed to disgusting and vapid art and having us live in grey, concrete slabs not have a harmful impact on our brains?

>> No.3184756

>>3182300

I might hang these kind of paintings on my wall and depending on the kind of house it'd probably look pretty good. And if I was drawing an interior scene and I wanted it to have paintings on the walls I like using stuff that looks like this.

But I don't really get how they're worth that kind of money. I mean, aside from the perception that they're going to increase in wealth.

>> No.3184786

>>3182300

I agree with the whole "You could have done it, but you didn't" argument. But I don't really get how it applies to blank and solid color paintings beyond the first dude that did it. I guess I can kind of appreciate that the first person to submit a white canvas as art was doing some bold genre subverting thing, but afterwards? What the hell are all the artists who are just doing the exact same thing adding to it?

>> No.3184788
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"Shortly, It seems to me that in order to build any concept, in particular, a look at art, you need to first answer a different question, a lot more important and generalized. Why does a man live, what is the point of human existence? Using our being on this Earth in order to uplift ourselves spiritually. That means that art of ours must serve to that purpose. If, to say, I chose another principle and meaning of life for myself, evidently, art too would have a different meaning for me and I would have to make up something else. But as I define the meaning of human existence in that exact way, it seems to me that art too must help the man to evolve in that direction. Shortly, art serves to help people to change and grow spiritually. Don't know, there was a point of view that art is as educational as the rest of human intellectual and spiritual activity on this planet. I don't really believe in possibility of learning, I am almost an agnostic. Knowledge more and more distracts us from the main goal, from the main thought of our main knowledge of the world. So, the the more we know the less we know about it. We go in deep and thus lose the ability to take a bigger look at what we call life and the world. Art serves a man to help him, to say, soar spiritually, rise above himself, using what we call free will."

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3184800

Art is the raw way of the psyche of Man, trying to understand the nature of reality.

>> No.3184950

>>3184457
No it's for everyone, but it doesn't exist for the sole purpose of pleasing people

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>>3183298
no

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3184995

>>3182877

>> No.3185004

>>3182920
The concept and image composition are really interesting actually. If only the artist wasn't so half assed. Would look amazing if recreated by a better artist.

>> No.3185013

>>3185004
Non realism and being half assed are not synonymous

>>3184995
yup, T R A S H

>> No.3185040

>>3184950
That sure makes me want to spend my limited time on this earth exposing my brain to it. i know modern art doesnt exist to please, it exists to frustrate and anger and confuse. Nihilistic trash.

>> No.3185054

>>3185013
Dali was a non realist too, but he put more effort into his paintings.

>> No.3185076

>>3183150
>I hate postmodernism so much that I’ll affect stereotypes about postmodern artists to bash a completely different movement

Why would you do that to yourself OR to us?

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3185082

ITT retards cant even intro philosophy but think they can argue over unresolved, highly controversial subjects like art.

>> No.3185347

>>3185054
>surrealism is realism though you mong, just distorted that was the whole point.

>>3185040
Only if that is what you take from the paintings, I find them pleasing to look at, if anything you're the nihilist, If you dont enjoy it that's fine but don't act like other people can't.

>> No.3185355

>>3185040
Im not trying to convince you to enjoy it, I just don't think you should disregard it all as trash.

>> No.3185382

>>3184995
It's bizarre how art has turned into a mix of mildly clever gimmicks with little artistic value and outright shit.

>> No.3186099

>>3184800
>teacher in class asks class 'what is art?'
>I raise my hand
>"Yes Anon?"
>"Art is the raw way of the psyche of Man, trying to understand the nature of reality."
>eyes roll