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3175069 No.3175069 [Reply] [Original]

Give me one reason to follow the sticky after the Proko Kangaroo incident.

>> No.3175072

What are you refering to?

>> No.3175077
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>>3175072
>spend 10 years drawing 8 hours a day from life and grinding fundamentals
>all demolished in one video attempting to draw the simplest forms from imagination

>> No.3175089

>>3175069
There is none

>> No.3175091

>I’m too good for reference photos, only autists with photographic memory are real artists

>> No.3175092

Not this meme again

>> No.3175094

>>3175069

Don't just study or copy from life. Apply that knowledge to your imagination drawings and you won't end up like him.

>> No.3175095

>>3175077
>>3175069
Proko actually said:

>don't do as I did, don't wait 10 years until you start drawing from imagination

The thing is that he is just autistic, has no imagination, creativity or sense of humor. Doesn't mean fundamentals are not helpful. Have you read his dog comic? It's fucking autistic and it's based of his stupid dog. It's the least imaginative thing I've ever seen.

Being able to play complex songs on a guitar doesn't mean you know how to write good songs.

If you wanna be better at WRITING comics, then write more. If you wanna be better at creating art, then create more. It's pretty damn simple.

>> No.3175104

>>3175069
Do you also go to Scott Robertson to learn figure drawing?
Makes me wonder if you even know how to wipe your own ass because it seems you aren't able to make your own decisions.

>> No.3175114

>>3175077
Thanks, can you link the vid plz?

>> No.3175115

>>3175091
>What's wrong with using my bike's training wheels forever?

>> No.3175120
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>>3175069
Yeah that Kangaroo is our get out of jail card for studying fundies. NEVER STUDY FUNDIES. NOT EVEN ONCE!

>> No.3175126

>>3175115
>I have such an overinflated opinion of my abilities as to believe, really genuinely believe, that I can accurately draw literally everything in creation that exists without looking at it once in a while

>> No.3175128

>>3175120
Those crabs look tasty

>> No.3175136

>>3175126
I agree with this dude. No way its possible to amass such a massive visual library that im able to draw anything without looking at it.
Fuck putting all my brain power into memory. Im concentrating on execution, because we having the fucking internet for looking up whatever I want to draw.

>> No.3175146

>>3175114
https://youtu.be/4h4-2HRHaHI

Found it. Poor guy.

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>>3175069
Just gonna come out and say I've never used proko as a teaching tool.

Just Hampton, Vilpuu, and lots of perspective with Robertson.

Granted I did do a year of art school.

My anatomy is not the greatest, but it gets the job done for now. Art is a lifelong journey, so long as you get to a competent enough level, you can start making money off this which gives you more time to keep improving and polishing your stuff.

>> No.3175175

>>3175146
JUST

>> No.3175201

Just take fundamentals and apply them to imagination. Use reference but practice drawing the same thing without it

>> No.3175245

>>3175095
Post the dog comic you mentioned please

>> No.3175247

Proko is literally useless and will never make it because he can't do anything out of his head. Literally a perfect xerox machine but that is a useless skill.

>> No.3175267

>>3175120
the sad part is that people will take it seriously for some reason

>> No.3175272

>>3175247
>literally useless
wrong, those who can't do, teach. he's running a very successful teaching business, although when youtube goes full totalitarian he'll have to figure something else out.

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>>3175069

>> No.3175341
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>>3175245

>> No.3175378

whoa so this is the power of proko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOuIgevbHs8

>> No.3175386

>>3175069
Just don't follow Proko then, no need to throw out the whole sticky. See, there's some anons who made it!

>> No.3175402

>>3175341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-Wul92wQc

It was for his wife not for random cynical retards on the internet.

>> No.3175404

>>3175402
>Doesn't have actual children just "dog" children

What a fucking cuck

>> No.3175407

>>3175404
His wife is nonwhite so that's probably a good thing though.

>> No.3175412

>>3175146
Thanks for the lin... Shit that looks awful. I really hope he did this as a joke to get views.

>> No.3175413

>>3175402
that makes it even more pathetic

is that the most creative thing he can muster out of his brain for the love of his life?

not even their dogs have creative names, they copied two characters from a single pixar movie

proko seems like a nice guy but the spark is lacking

>> No.3175427

>>3175402
it doesnt look good for someone with as much skill as proko

>> No.3175428

>>The crabs are shitting on proko-sempai instead of making gains: NGMI the thread.

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>>3175091
>drawing from imagination = having photographic memory
No wonder you fags won't make it.

>> No.3175430

>>3175427
>Skill
>Isn't even capable of designing something from his mind

Being a xerox nigger like he is is useless.

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>>3175428
>proko-sempai
lmao he got senpai status revoked with this trash

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>>3175429
this.
good riddance desu.

>> No.3175450

>spoonfeed me, I'm an anime
no

>> No.3175470

>>3175429
The only creatures you can draw accurately purely from imagination are imaginary ones. If you want to accurately draw something real, you need to have seen it. If you don’t have photographic memory, and the thing in question isn’t something you’re familiar with from everyday living, you will need a reminder. I don’t understand what you get from pretending otherwise.

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>>3175245
>>3175341
He did a voiced version, too. He also filmed his wife's reaction to it

https://youtu.be/_c-Wul92wQc?t=15m6s

>> No.3175475

>>3175470
You have to practice without reference. http://prrb.tumblr.com/post/30177790499/shrimp-method After following this I can draw a pandalus borealis from imagination.

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>>3175470
I don't know if you know this or not, but there's this little thing called construction where you break down objects into their most basic elements so you only have to remember a few things at a time and then you can systematically reconstruct them into their original, complex form without needing to memorize how that thing looks perfectly from every conceivable angle.

>> No.3175485

>>3175273
Oh my fucking god

>> No.3175487

>>3175475
The shrimp method is drawing from reference. You get photos and you refer to them. Did you think that reference meant copying?

>>3175484
Good luck using the principles of construction to draw something you’ve never seen before.

>> No.3175490

>>3175487
So why can't proko draw a person from imagination

>> No.3175496

>>3175487
No one's arguing that you don't use reference to learn how to draw something from imagination.
Just that you don't need photographic memory to draw from imagination.

>> No.3175498

>>3175484
That construction is so shitty, it's obviously completely flawed just by seeing it applied over that figure. What a joke Hampton is.

>> No.3175500

>>3175498
>/ic/

>> No.3175501

>>3175498
post your construction

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>>3175487
>Good luck using the principles of construction to draw something you’ve never seen before.
is this a real response? how else are you supposed to draw something you've never seen before

>> No.3175516

>>3175511
you are missing his point, autismo
he means something that already exists, but you haven't bothered to understand through reference

>> No.3175542

>>3175473
She's just happy to be with a white man. Honestly he could draw a giant penis and she'd be happy with it. Third world waifus are thankful for everything you do, not like these first world big city sluts.

>> No.3175599
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3175599

how he could pursue art for 10 years and not draw from imagination at all? why he is doing it then? he's hollow unimaginitive shell which can do nice caricatures. it's not like he does not have imagination, eveyone have it. he tries to follow people and works he admires so hard he forgot who he is. so he became a photocopier.

fundamentals are important, but not as important as skill of drawing on your own

>> No.3175611

>>3175599
>"a minion from an ant's perspective"
nice foreshortening on the eyes LMAO . there was an atempt

>> No.3175628

>>3175599
Proko is what happens you master fundamentals without adding your own personal touch to anything

>> No.3175832

>>3175628
>that perspective
>mastering fundamentals

>> No.3175909

>>3175273
My kek

>> No.3175920

>>3175599
senpai dissapointed me that day

>> No.3175930

>>3175126
"Looking at something once in a while" is very different from using references on every drawing you make, autismo.

Also, you highly underestimate what our visual memory is capable of if well trained. Not that you'd know, brainlet.

>> No.3175932

Honestly I think Proko might have been out of practice at the time. I know it can happen to creatives who are suddenly in some kind of administrative position. I'm sure producing the tutorials and running his business takes up most of his time and suddenly you have gone a few weeks with not drawing much.

>> No.3175966

>>3175599
Disagree with that. At least he was able to reach a masterful level at something and able to produce/teach appealing work. Now all he has to do is start drawing from imagination a lot, like all beginners, but he has masterful observational/fundamental skills to help him.

on the flip side, someone who only drew from imagination for 10 years is that 0 progress devientart tier meme, still at the bottom with no fundies, nothing to show for it.

>> No.3175988

>>3175069
Hahahahahahha man this shit is so funny

>> No.3176082

>>3175542
>third world waifus
she's clearly got a normal american accent though

>> No.3176090

>>3175402
Proko is so low t. I honestly think I could kill him with a single punch

>> No.3176096

Proko's job is to be an instructor, mainly on anatomy. He has a weak spot, so what? Look at other artists for the creative stuff.

>> No.3176104

>>3175273
My fucking sides

>> No.3176111

>>3176096
Sorry Scroto Baggins, nobody loves you anymore

>> No.3176127

>>3175120
That kangaroo is a great thing. Less competition in the market.

>> No.3176136

>>3175966
No one is saying not to study fundamentals and only draw from imagination you moron.

>> No.3176138

>>3175273
noice

>> No.3176143

>>3175077
Every time I look at it I see a fetus begging to not get aborted.

>>3175095
Proko humor is great in that it's just cringy enough to remind you you should try to have fun.

>> No.3176184

How do you draw for ten years without every wanting to draw something from your imagination. Does he have autism

>> No.3176188

>>3176184
Stepping outside your comfort zone can be scary.

>> No.3176197

>>3176188
I realised recently that stepping outside your comfort zone, drawing things you're shit at drawing etc is the best way to improve.

>> No.3176249

>>3176188
I think that at least drawing shitty sketches is a step forward first. You don't spend too much time on them, so you're not afraid to throw them out.

When you get better, you'll see what sketch is worth working on and which is just a mistake that you should throw away.

Just fucking do it. Nobody will see your shitty attempts, but you'll not draw fetuses at least.

>> No.3176280

>>3176184
If you know Mark Carder's YT channel, he's a realist painter who paints pretty damn amazing still lifes, but his stuff from imagination is shit. Like /beg/ tier, pure shit. Muddy colors, shit drawing, terrible perspective. It's just what happens when you learn to paint academically and all you can do is sight size.

Now what's particularly fishy about Proko is that what he teaches on his channel is a constructive method, which in theory should enable him to at least nail the basic shapes of imaginary things. But he shows none of that. It's as if he copied anatomical drawings 1:1 and made it look like he knows shit about construction.

>> No.3178399

>>3176280
You fail to recognize that you can make good money by just drawing what you see. There is more to concept art and comics, get over it.

>> No.3178448

>>3178399
That's not his point. Proko is a hack who attempts to teach construction when he can't even use it.

>> No.3178493

>>3178448
You need construction for drawing from reference, it's not a must, but makes things a lot easier, especially for analyzing your reference, because a lot of the time you are unsure of what you are actually seeing in terms of anatomy and shape. It's also a necessity for good shape design.
Yeah, Proko and Carder aren't good at drawing from imagination, especially in comparison to artists who specialize in drawing from imagination, but that doesn't make them hacks. You are completely delusional.

>> No.3179231

>>3175091
>photographic memory
Do you mean literally or people who can memorize each pixel of a canvas? Because if you're one of the select few people on the planet who weren't born with the ability to visualize something then you're fucked as an artist and will never make it.

>> No.3179458

>>3175095
This might help for those that are keen to draw from the imagination https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9LugJ4DrjW9aWlGRHQ4b2FuUTg/view?usp=drivesdk or browsing Pinterest while listening to your fav songs on sound cloud helps me

>> No.3179460

>>3175156
This might help with the anatomy and doing it from imagination sir
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9LugJ4DrjW9aWlGRHQ4b2FuUTg/view?usp=drivesdk

>> No.3179498

>>3175599
Foreshortening are a fundament of drawing, and he completely screw it there, so he hasn't mastered his fundamentals.