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3158828 No.3158828 [Reply] [Original]

>thought tracing/paintoveres were a meme
>tried it for the first time today
Oh my god it's so liberating, and saves so much fucking time. The base of my picture is great, the anatomy is right, the composition is already done, the end result is 10x better while taking half as long.

In the end, you can't even tell what original photo it was from since there are so many on the internet. I'm going to download a posing program and trace over those for poses I can't find.

>but ull be mediocre!
>no one will pay u!
>u'll lose ur fans if people find out!
Fake it till you make it, I'm still learning on the side. Are the people who demand you grind fundies the bucket crabs here?

>> No.3158829 [DELETED] 

>>3158828
post your terrible work

>> No.3158833

if you enjoyed art enough tracing would disgust you. it's obvious to anyone with a trained eye if someone doesn't understand what you're drawing. you're right though, I don't find anything morally objectionable with tricking undiscerning people. it's just sad that you're so proud of it.

>> No.3158834

>>3158828

post your work

>> No.3159152

>>3158828
>Are the people who demand you grind fundies the bucket crabs here?
Yes.

>> No.3159162

>>3158828
>Are the people who demand you grind fundies the bucket crabs here?
Yes, but not because tracing was superior to skill.

>> No.3159170

Enjoy not being able to draw anything yourself ever.

>> No.3159245

>>3158828
Just FYI, there doesn't exist a single good looking traced image/paintover done by an unskilled beginner. You suffer from Dunning Kruger Syndrome, so you can't tell just how cringy and bad your "art" looks, but everyone else can.

>> No.3159261

>>3159245
>Just FYI, there doesn't exist a single good looking traced image/paintover done by an unskilled beginner.
Isn't the same true for original work?

>> No.3159294

>>3159261
Well yes, which is why beginners have to study the fundamentals if they ever want to be able to produce good art.

>> No.3159298

>>3159294
He said he's still learning on the side.

>> No.3159309

>>3159298
All I'm saying is, your traces and paintovers look terrible to anyone other than you. So you might as well stop wasting your time with them and focus on learning not on the side but as your primary objective.

>> No.3159321

You might get away with concepts of anime tit girl on a white background but what will you ever do about composition, lighting, perspective, mood and story? Quite literally it takes a fraction of a second to just draw from refs than setting up a pose model.

>> No.3159323

>>3158828
Loomis said that drawing from pictures makes the people look stumpy and short because we're used to people with longer legs, arms, etc. in art

>> No.3159360

>>3159323
Loomis also lived in the early 1900s.

>then again one of my own consistent problems is legs that are a tad too short. I always correct it tho

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>>3158828
>mfw people in this board like to celebrate being mediocre

>> No.3159440

>>3159360
we definitely still do that, take a look at comic books or videogames, bayonetta is an extreme example

>> No.3159445

>>3159360
Who are you quoting?
Legitimately.

>> No.3159447

>>3159445
this isn't /jp/; take your quoting meme back with you

>> No.3159453

>>3159447
This isn't /jp/ but for the sake of your own understandability you should learn to use the site functions properly.
/jp/ isn't the board that invented quoting.

>> No.3159462

>>3159453
/jp/ is where that "who are you quoting meme" originated from

you and I both know the greentext feature has multiple uses

>> No.3159480

>>3159462
The only use for 'greentext' is to borrow things while making it apparent they aren't from your imagination.
The original idea of quoting has been given some flexibility to rephrase things, and then extended to cover events and actions in addition to just text and speech. The original idea of borrowing from other sources remains and the extension covers all your 'other uses'.
If a thought is your own, don't place it in a quote. This is something you should've understood intuitively years ago.

>> No.3159579

>>3159321
>>3159309
Fuck off retards, you can still learn those things and do paintovers. Artists like Illya are going to become more and more successful as aesthetics becomes the most important skill to develop in the modern age.

>> No.3159585

>>3159579
Your definition of success is matching Illyas popularity while mine is actually becoming good at draftsmanship. Gladly take your shortcuts and be beneath me in skill.

>> No.3159588

>>3159480
Yeah yeah next you'll post aniki wake up memes.

>> No.3159589

>>3159585
lmfao post skill. artists like illya are better than you ever will be

>> No.3159594

>>3159589

Considering he is 27 and I'm far younger I know for certain I'll crub him and 99% of /ic/. Especially you...oh wait I most likely already did.

>> No.3159597

>>3159594
>still no work posted
another dunning krugtard

>> No.3159598

>>3158828
The people who tell you ONLY to grind fundies are the crabs, yes.

>> No.3159599

>>3159597
What are you my mom? I don't account to you.

>> No.3159600

Welcome to the club of the enlightened OP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wN4GYIx12o

>> No.3159607

>>3159599
>retard still talking
>still no work
typical

>> No.3159612
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>>3159600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtaTbU0iyVQ

3D is a multiplier. If you don't understand your fundies the art will look shittier, but if you know them it will make your art look better than anything you could possibly do traditionally.

>> No.3159626

>>3159607
>quotes me with bullshit >>3159579
>p-post wark to affirm my religion
finest shitposting /ic/ has to offer

>> No.3159641

>>3159626
>still butthurt he's called out and can't support his bullshit
cry more krugtard

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>>3159641
what the FUCK are you quoting

>> No.3159659

>>3159651
nice work. oh wait

>> No.3159669

>>3159597
Anon, it doesn't work like that. You can't call others Dunning Krugers if your entire argument is "I don't need to learn the fundamentals". You are literally the definition of a Dunning Kruger.

>> No.3159680

>>3159669
>make retarded claim about how good you are
>post work
>I-IT DOESN"T WORK LIKE THAT
kill yourself

>> No.3159762

>>3159579
I don't think Ilya is still doing traceovers in 2017.

>> No.3159771

>>3159762
I don't think a majority of /ic/ even follows Ilya and just his memes because he draws a ton of original content every single day if you follow his twitter. Completely blew my mind that /ic/ actually was memeing the entire time. Don't stay here too long, but if you do, make sure to take breaks.

>> No.3159785

>>3159771
I actually really like his new art, and I'm kind of considering buying the book he released a year ago when my local bookstore has one of their big sales.