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I haven't seen a Ruan Jia discussion lately...

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>> No.3144107
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3144107

>>3144104
Yes please

His newest
hi-rez https://i.imgur.com/lXtUqZY.jpg

>> No.3144257

>>3144104
I don't really follow this guy's work so I'm just going off /ic/ pictures but I never seen this guy draw a proper sky, it's like he just puts some fog in the background with a light source.

>> No.3144294

>>3144104

I appreciate the hell out of his rendering chops, but his work is very hit and miss to me. Often he seems to make up shit as he goes along instead of having a strong sense of purpose and design. Pic in OP is dogshit to me. His best stuff imo are his landscapes and sometimes he achieve some kind of Hudson River School aesthetic with slightly surrealistic/theatric lighting.

>> No.3144297

>>3144107
>hi-rez https://i.imgur.com/lXtUqZY.jpg

The architecture is amazing but holy shit does that figure look copy pasted.

>> No.3144303

>>3144104
Ruan Jia is the Thomas Kinkade of digital art

>> No.3144322

>>3144104
How do I get as good as Ruan Jia

>> No.3144324

>>3144322
U study Ruan Jia and u copy Ruan Jia until you get as good as him

>> No.3144326

>>3144324
But I don't know his influences and his learning techniques. I don't know what books he read and what tutorials he watched.

>> No.3144332

>>3144326
Well to begin with you can take a loot at chiaroscuro and sfumato, he seems to be using it in his works.

For his influences, if I had to guess, i'd point you towards Monet, Vinci, Caravaggio.

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>>3144322
Oral injection of vital force from the master himself.

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>>3144322

>>3144297
I agree, glad he's trying new shit tho

>> No.3144383
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3144383

can i make it now

>> No.3144385

>>3144383
Maybe if you calibrate your monitor or you fix your eyes, because your values are fucked.

>> No.3144400

>>3144385
I literally spent 30 minutes on it, its just unfinished as fuck

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>>3144383
>>3144400
Do a study of another piece of his, I tried for 10 hours on a master study of that piece and it's way too complicated imho
Do a study of a simpler piece of his and come back to that one in a year or two

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>>3144404
You mean pic rel is too hard? Care to explain? What do you consider easier than this?

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>>3144411
Personally I found it way too difficult, so much so that I had to stop working on it since I wasn't learning anything. Though I did the earlier version of that piece I still think it's a bit too hard for us beginners.
Some of his earlier work is a bit simpler to learn from i m o

>> No.3144435

>>3144107
>>3144297
It's almost impressive how shitty of a composition and how tasteless and nonsensical of a design this is yet I still spent like 10 minutes just staring at the image in awe.

>> No.3144439

>>3144400
>>3144404

Just a thought guys, but if it's primarily rendering you want to study you can study just a cropped section. You can always go back and do more.

>> No.3144771
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3144771

I don't know what I am supposed to learn from this. You guys said that I should do master studies but I don't learn anything from it.

>> No.3144776

>>3144435
The technical skill is impressive. The composition isn't meshing well. The subject sticks out too much.

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>>3144297
>>3144107
What did he mean by this?

>> No.3144790

>>3144785
More like why did he render the ass so flat?

>> No.3144792

>>3144785
Poor Ron. He burned too brightly. Flew too close to the sun. Now he has alzheimers.

>> No.3144808

>>3144771
can anybody answer? you fucks tricked me into this shit and I feel like a used condom.
>inb4 its crooked

Sure, I can spend more time on getting it perfect but whats the point?

>> No.3144810

>>3144771
/ic/ is full of bad advice and misinformation. You've been bamboozled.

>> No.3144817

>>3144808
>what's the point of trying to reproduce a master's skills perfectly?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>3144808
Getting better is always the point dumb fuck

I you need /ic/ to hold your hand and do everything for you, you are never ever going to make it

no fuck off

>> No.3144826

>>3144817
as I said, I could make it perfect if I dedicated more time but guess what - everyone can do it given a certain amount of time. I wont get better from spending more time on something.

>> No.3144828 [DELETED] 

>>3144104
Remember everyone!
>
凭我多年的画画经验,跟大家分享一个秘诀,明天在家里做练习进步的速度会提高10倍哦,10倍~画一张等于画10张哦,为此我买了一堆新画笔,来大家开心的涂吧,约会什么的都是虚幻的东西,最近特别喜欢红环的针管笔,我没哭。
>I will share with everyone a secret based on my many years of paintings experience. Everyone who practices tomorrow will improve ten times as fast. Drawing one drawing will be the equivalent of drawing ten drawings. If you are happy drawing, you will get better at drawing things from imagination. Recently, I've enjoyed drawing with a red technical pen.

>> No.3144831

>>3144104
Remember everyone!
>凭我多年的画画经验,跟大家分享一个秘诀,明天在家里做练习进步的速度会提高10倍哦,10倍~画一张等于画10张哦,为此我买了一堆新画笔,来大家开心的涂吧,约会什么的都是虚幻的东西,最近特别喜欢红环的针管笔,我没哭。
>I will share with everyone a secret based on my many years of paintings experience. Everyone who practices tomorrow will improve ten times as fast. Drawing one drawing will be the equivalent of drawing ten drawings. If you are happy drawing, you will get better at drawing things from imagination. Recently, I've enjoyed drawing with a red technical pen.

>> No.3144835

>>3144826
>I could make it perfect

Good, then you've internalized the process that makes the master's work great, you can apply it to your own work and you won't have a reason to start a despair thread. Good job!

>> No.3144838

>>3144835
You are missing the point. I can reproduce all work in the world if I dedicate time to it but it won't make me as good as those people. At all. I would become a copying machine.

>> No.3144845

>>3144838
If you could reproduce the work, you could produce it using the technique that created it in the first place. You know, IF you could reproduce the work.

>> No.3144848

>>3144845
I don't even understand why certain points have highlights, I don't understand what I am painting and that's because I am not Ruan Jia. I don't see doing master studies useful for anything except trying other styles.

>> No.3144856

>>3144848
You don't understand why master studies are useful for the same reason you don't understand how lighting works: you don't want to understand.

Look at where the highlights are in your subject and figure out what they have in common.

>> No.3144870

ITT - /ic/ fawns over a popular but mediocre and kitsch artist.

>> No.3144872

>>3144856
You realize he could have added some stuff just because it looks better? His lighting isn't perfect and me trying to find logic in everything he does seems like a waste of time, because it's not logical every time.

>> No.3144883

>>3144107
Whenever I see this type of shit. Just a lot of stuff to draw out and render. I realise I will forever be a pleb. Because there is no way I'll get good enough for this kind of painting to not be a complete pain in the ass to paint. It will be complete misery for me. Not because it would simply be tedious, but my fundamentals will never reach a point where something like this will just be tedious. It will always be complete misery.

>> No.3144888

>>3144883
Self-fulfilling prophecy.

>> No.3144895

>>3144870
I bet you're shit.

>> No.3144899

>>3144870
Ruan Jia, mediocre? Time to change your glasses,anon... (or start wearing quality ones)

>> No.3144903

>>3144883
You'll surely stay bad with that attitude!

Don't forget that you're looing at hundreds of hours on a single piece + thousands of hours of training : every good artist start with an amorphous blob!

>> No.3144927
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3144927

Am I good now? Can I make it now? Can't finish the piece today, gotta go to sleep. When I finish the piece, I am going to become next Ruan Jia, you told me so!

>> No.3144959

>>3144104
took me a while to see the guy on his shoulder

>> No.3144961

>>3144927

Do you have any finished master study? You claimed you can copy any work if you just put enough time in.

>> No.3144967

>>3144961
No, because it always felt like a time waster. Probably because I come from the background of copying real life and not learning anything from it. Copying is worthless. Yet I am doing it now with hope that I will learn something, that's what you guys keep telling.

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>>3144927
You'll never be able to because this guy is already doing it.

>> No.3144977

>>3144967

So basically you've never taken a master study to any significantly higher degree of finish than this muddy blob here? That really does not give much credence to your claim that you could copy any master well if you just put the time in.

>> No.3144984

>>3144977
I am still working on that shitty blob but what if I can finish it perfectly? I can spend a week or more, tediously working on this shit and make it perfect but what does it prove? Nothing. I won't get better by doing this.

Look, I don't want to sound cocky or arrogant but I am really tired of drawing with no gains, I can't draw after doing countless still lifes or whatever and I still can't do much. Did i get better from this? Yes but barely, not enough to make it. I want to improve like a normal human being and I don't see any value in doing master studies. If somebody can explain me in detail what it is meant to achieve, then I would be grateful.

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>>3144895
>>3144899

>same gray undertones
>same palette in every painting
>same set of viewing angles and composition in every painting
>same kitschy long-haired chinese people and undead creatures that appear over and over in chinese movies

his work is boring and unoriginal. there's nothing impressive about it.

>> No.3145007

>>3144968
>screencapping that retard who gave up after like a month
>watch guys im gonna be an inferior copy of someone so impressive

>> No.3145077

>>3144104
>>3144104
What's up with the level of detail on the right arm.
You can't even tell what's going on past his upper arm.

>> No.3145081

>>3145005
thats your rebuttal? ok so let me guess, youre new?

>> No.3145096

>>3144870
Good for them. If that's their idol it's not gonna take much to become satisfied with their own work.

>> No.3145098

>>3145005
He uses grey to make the colored portions stand out.

Don't really know what you're talking about in your other points.

>> No.3145099

>>3144104
i love how he colors
it looks organic but artificial
his work can feel a bit boring sometimes
like in the pic OP posted
if the golem was looking directly at the hero it would have done more for the sense of epic size. Also the hero doesn't seem to be standing on anything.
im just a shitty artist, i have no pedigree to talk

>> No.3145106

>>3144771
very nice anon
honestly its really the colors that give it that distinct look
i have hunch he gets his reference/inspo from flowers and insects. Every thing seems to also have a strong metallic shine.

>> No.3145110

>>3144411
Tell me /ic/, what makes this face so aesthetically pleasing to look at that I could do so forever?

>> No.3145124
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>>3144984
OP here, doing master studies are the fastest way to improve at painting. I started doing master studies in the past few months, and that alone has gotten me further than anything I've ever done in the past few years.

For reference, Here's the process of a Jia study I decided to record:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ZjR0ROe6A

It's maybe 75% accurate, but what I learned about good values, colors, and edges are immeasurable. At one point I started getting so physically and mentally exhausted that I almost passed out, it was that challenging for a beginner like me. I now see noticeable gains in my personal work with every master study that challenge my abilities.

The only time I don't learn anything is when I do copies but am too lazy to push it to be as close to perfect as possible. Studies are meant to challenge your current knowledge and skills, and if you don't push beyond that comfort zone, you won't really grow. Also, doing master studies and personal pieces through attrition and frequent breaks is probably the best modus operandi. Hope this helps, keep up the good work

>> No.3145130

>>3145124
But what exactly do you study when doing a master study? What makes you learn?

>> No.3145132

>>3145124
>speed painting

>> No.3145163

>>3145124
oh wow i did't know you browsed /ic/ im one of the guys in your comments, small world

>> No.3145166

>>3145124
Do you do mentoring, OP?

>> No.3145350

>>3145005
Why are dunning krugers always so proud of their mental deficiency? You should be ashamed and try your best to hide it. Instead you are openly and proudly flaunting it around for everyone to see and laugh at you.

>> No.3145615

bump

>> No.3145626

>>3144294
Yeah, I don't really actually really like any of his pictures either. He's kind of like Bouguereau that way.

>> No.3145798

>>3144104
that foreshortening looks horrible

>> No.3145801

>>3145798
explain

>> No.3145810

>>3145801
I don't know how to explain it. It looks wrong and ugly. But I'm not dissing the guy out of envy, the lighting details are magical.

>> No.3145812

>>3145810
also the look in his eyes is like he's in a tortured panic.

>> No.3145959

>>3144104
Looks infinitely better upright. Dunno why the fuck it has the depraved rape angle effect going on.

>> No.3145965

>>3145959
Only the giant has the angle, the character is the one you're supposed to be focused on because that's you in the game.

>> No.3145977

>>3145959
Dude it's just a selfie cut the giant skeleton dude some slack.

>> No.3146015

>>3145812
>>3145977
>stuck into the ground
>lmao lemme take a selfie #megafun #stuckintheground #lift4zyzz #undeadwithearrings
>suddenly these idealized chink guys start climbing onto you with unsheathed swords
>try to shake them off but it's ruining your selfie angle
>yfw you realize you're fucked

>> No.3146020
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poor giantman is going to get an uppercut from two metal popsickle sticks right into his nosehole as soon as he tries to close his mouth.

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>>3146020
It's a duckhare.