/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.3139440]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

[Anonymous No.3139441]

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

[Anonymous No.3139456]

>>3139440
What separates a beginner from an intermediate artist?

[Anonymous No.3139459]

>>3139456
Understanding of basic forms. And what seperates a pro from intermediate artists is understanding basic form and building them into complex structures. They all follow the same shit which is fundamentals

[Anonymous No.3139470]

>>3139440
what do you mean by ~1000 pixels?

[Anonymous No.3139487]

I drew this today, lines are shitty, left hand is also shitty, background is shitty, other than those things, I think it looks okay, give opinions and criticism.

[Anonymous No.3139527]

Well, I'm out guys. 4 months in and that's all I can give. Not going to name myself, I doubt anyone cares anyway.

Carpal tunnel has destroyed my life, and even practicing 2 hours a day is slowly killing my hands. I highly doubt surgery or anything else will permanently fix them and I cannot envision myself grinding 8 hours a day like I wanted to anymore.

Having my favorite thing to do and turning it into a career ripped from me because of bad genetics and luck. Fuck this gay earth.

Good luck to everyone else.

[Anonymous No.3139530]

>>3139527
that sux man

hope u can find peace in something else

[Anonymous No.3139542]

>>3139527
isn't carpal tun just a meme i had that shit for 2 months and it fixed itself
also no using your other hand , crying bitch

[Anonymous No.3139544]

>>3139527
so tape your pencil to your wrist you girly man.
armless vets learned to draw with their mouths and feet.
you're just a quitter making excuses to quit.

[Anonymous No.3139593]

i never see any critique in here. is it more of a containment thread?

[Anonymous No.3139596]

>>3139593
How about you open your mother fucking eyes and actually read? There's always critiques, how fucking blind are you? Get the fuck out of here.

[Anonymous No.3139600]

>>3139440
This image gives me hope

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3139614]

i tried fix previous stuff in
>>3138946

[Anonymous No.3139642]

>>3139542
>>3139527
>isn't carpal tun just a meme
No. If severe, carpal tunnel which doesn't improve with intramuscular steroid injections and other lifestyle changes is managed by surgery (surgical decompression of the carpal tunnel) according to UpToDate (which all of us students, practicing doctors and our tutors use.) Surgical treatment can also fail if the ligament isn't fully removed or if it grows back a bit.

Usually it resolves itself if you just wear a splint though. Most people just get splinted.

Carpal tunnel occurs because the tunnel through which the median nerve passes through to get to your hand is very narrow.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/carpal-tunnel-syndrome-treatment-and-prognosis?source=search_result&search=carpal%20tunnel&selectedTitle=1~150#H684380739

Other than overuse, carpal tunnel syndrome can also occur due to a lot of other conditions too like hypothyroidism or pregnancy for example. And if you're kidneys aren't too good and you need dialysis then that can also be a cause. Or if you have acromegaly (if you have this condition it is very likely you know about it already) or diabetes . (Source the 2017 edition of USMLE Step 1 First Aid)

There's a lot of conditions that sound pretty insignificant but if you get them it can be a massive pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.3139690]

My colors and shading are awful. What should I practice? Spheres? Fruit?

[Anonymous No.3139693]

>>3139690
You should practice, boxes, spheres, cylinders, and cones.

[Anonymous No.3139697]

how am I doing

[Anonymous No.3139720]

Gay imagination shit

[Anonymous No.3139754]

>>3138641
>>3138643
>>3138645
Drew another sketch today
Drawing has suddenly become fun!

[Anonymous No.3139757]

>>3139614
a bit better. but you need perspective and lighting fundies. You're making very basic mistakes and don't seem to understand the geometry you're creating. Studying and decreasing your scope will yield great gains.
I recc Scott Robertson - How To Draw,(!!) or Loomis - Successful Drawing.

[Anonymous No.3139760]

>>3139440
What's the difference between Vilppu and Hampton? The sticky doesn't touch upon it and just recommends books.

[Anonymous No.3139762]

>>3139690
practice observing things

>>3139697
chicken scratch lines, weird face baby hands.

>>3139720
yup, thats real gay

[$4CHN:CU6Fi3cvLnMBbnNNVS3Y4xTA(...) No.3139767]

>>3139757
the vanishing point doesn't have to be on the paper. both of those lines meet at a vanishing point off paper. tip me.

[Anonymous No.3139768]

How's this coming along?

[Anonymous No.3139769]

>>3139767
Are you blind?

[Anonymous No.3139770]

>>3139768
ref

[Anonymous No.3139788]

This is my first attempt at coloring and shading with a tablet, and I'm still pretty new at drawing with it

asking what I did wrong and what I need to work on

[Anonymous No.3139790]

>>3139788
pls ignore the wierd bit right underneath the main robe I fixed that

[Anonymous No.3139798]

>>3139767
the third line created by the base of the pistons tho. Also while we're at it. F U N D I E S

[Anonymous No.3139801]

>>3139798
You forgot to draw the ones on the left side.

[Anonymous No.3139816]

>>3139788
is this some sort of rayman character?

>>3139768
lines dont exist irl and the image appears flat because it needs more value. I find it interesting that the highlights in the eyes are much brighter than the paper. Was something reflecting when you took the image?

[Anonymous No.3139817]

>>3139816
This whole post got a good laugh out of me. Nice effort though. Good faith and all, but it just didn't work out for you.

[Anonymous No.3139820]

>>3139817
? did you not want critism?

[Anonymous No.3139821]

>>3139816
I used toned paper with white pen/pencil for the highlights.

[Anonymous No.3139822]

Also fuck graphite, it's too damn shiny

[Anonymous No.3139826]

>>3139822
the photo quality really ruins the picture huh, i dont know how this is supposed to look. Is it done?

[Anonymous No.3139827]

>>3139826
It's as done as I'm willing/capable of making it

[Anonymous No.3139870]

Shitty self portrait. Could someone please explain how to paint values properly? It seems like whatever I do, I just can't get it right.

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3139890]

>>3139798
Honestly, i surprised how did i fucked up like this.

i couldn't draw for 2 month bullshit reason, it seems to be i forgot all fundamentals
should i start all over again?

[Anonymous No.3139891]

how is this coming?

[Anonymous No.3139901]

>>3139891
Like it usually does.

[Anonymous No.3139904]

>>3139901
whats that supposed to mean

[Anonymous No.3139906]

>>3139904
you haven't changed in almost two years

that is remarkable, but at least you are having fun (?)

[Anonymous No.3139910]

>>3139906
>two years
Wow you've been lurking these threads for two years, long enough to recognize anonymous beginners posting studies?

[Anonymous No.3139912]

>>3139891
this is what it looks like when a braindead person attempts to draw. It is riddled with absolute beginner mistakes. Pointing them out would be meaningless because we're talking to a bag of sand.

[Anonymous No.3139913]

>>3139910
ive been making these damn threads for nearly two years and you're very recognizable

i love you, erikk

[Anonymous No.3139915]

>>3139912
name two that dont involve the fact that it isnt finished or symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.3139917]

>>3139913
that wasnt me i dont know how to capitalize letters

[Anonymous No.3139919]

surely its better than this

[Anonymous No.3139923]

>>3139915
- using straight up black, and shading with it
- tiny brushstrokes for eyebrows and eyelashes
- erratic unmethodic brushstrokes (for which he keeps coming up with excuses)
- random ass shading
- color palette of a child

I guarantee you won't significantly improve in your lifetime. You will stay dogshit. Only if you wake up will you improve. You won't. ;)

[Anonymous No.3139927]

>>3139919
in this one the eyes have a shred of life. but you wouldn't be able to tell you lifeless brainless husk

[Anonymous No.3139931]

>>3139890
With perspective construction it should be almost impossible to be surprised at that. Because you can check it for yourself. You clearly used no actual vanishing points but went by your gut. A beginner's intuitions are shit. You can NOT trust it. You need to kick your brain into gear and observe.

[Anonymous No.3139933]

Old reference.
Nastya Kusakina.

Now, draw!

[Anonymous No.3139934]

>>3139927
thats cause shes slightly smiling which was deliberate btw

[Anonymous No.3139936]

>>3139923
>- using straight up black, and shading with it
sorry about your monitor but even the eyelashes arent black
>- tiny brushstrokes for eyebrows and eyelashes
okay thats fair
- erratic unmethodic brushstrokes (for which he keeps coming up with excuses)
i never made excuses for that
- random ass shading
i havent decides the exact direction of the lighting but the general areas are right
- color palette of a child
okay youre right but i think this is something thats improved since the last ones

and those painting mistakes not drawing, except maybe the eyelashes and brows

>I guarantee you won't significantly improve in your lifetime. You will stay dogshit. Only if you wake up will you improve. You won't. ;)
yeah we'll i bet youre going to die some day

[Anonymous No.3139937]

what is the final solution to the eric question?

[Anonymous No.3139941]

Is there an /ic/ beginners discord channel i can join?

[Anonymous No.3139944]

>>3139937
honestly senpai all we really do is follows the rules and no bully and give critiques amd hope he improves

[Anonymous No.3139952]

Hello. I am new to prospective and backgrounds. I wanted to draw something for fun while I am learning. Can anyone give some pointers, to help me improve? The pointers could be on any areas that needs improvement.

It feels overwhelming sometimes on how much there is I want to learn.

[Anonymous No.3139955]

>>3139936
>- erratic unmethodic brushstrokes (for which he keeps coming up with excuses)
>i never made excuses for that
You are bullshitting yourself.

it's pretty much black. and the way you use it looks awful. Observe the values and colors on a real face. Really dude. Look at >>3139933

You paint like a child. You're not getting patted on your head for it if all you do is stagnate. I bet if someone showed people the older painting and the current one, they wouldn't know which one is more recent.

[Anonymous No.3139956]

>>3139952
Yikes, posted original picture, and not the smaller picture. I'm sorry. Here is the smaller one.

[Anonymous No.3139959]

>>3139955
look at it

[Anonymous No.3139961]

>>3139959
>>3139955

that's literally the only place with lots of black. the ref has tons of black shading in the hair and face.

>- erratic unmethodic brushstrokes (for which he keeps coming up with excuses)
>i never made excuses for that
>You are bullshitting yourself.
my main problem before was airbrushing to blend. i recently started playing with opacity/flow like it this one

>I bet if someone showed people the older painting and the current one, they wouldn't know which one is more recent
pfffft the nose/lips, even the hair on the older are easy give aways

>You paint like a child. You're not getting patted on your head for it if all you do is stagnate.
i know but why cant you guess just accept the fact that i only study portrait and figure twice a year

this was my first face from nov last year so drop this "no progress in two years" bs cause the drawing is at least improving

[Anonymous No.3139962]

>>3139956
How come these don't look grounded?

[Anonymous No.3139964]

>>3139961
lets see your landscapes then if they really arent as shit as your figures and heads

[Anonymous No.3139965]

>>3139961
reminds me of wolverine

[Anonymous No.3139967]

>>3139964
you spend more time typing excuses than actually drawing. you will never significantly improve. Accept it.

Congratulations you've achieved the equivalent of knowing how to count to 10, and two years later you're able to count to 12. WOW! such a big smart boy. You improved! such a good boy.

[Anonymous No.3139968]

>>3139962
>these don't look grounded?
I'm not sure. That's what I want to figure out too.

[Anonymous No.3139970]

>>3139967
that isnt me dingus. and maybe im retarded so being able to count to 12 might be a big step for me. retards are allowed to post here too. how do you know this just isnt a side thing for me?

>>3139964
this was from a couple months ago and i was the guy with the waterfall in forest but i never finished it but my laptop battery died so youll have to wait a couple hours to see it and i also do gouache some times

[Anonymous No.3139972]

>>3139970
No your problem is you keep coming up with excuses. I wouldn't mind these child doodles as much otherwise.

[Anonymous No.3139975]

>>3139972
but im allowed to work at my own pace, wtf am i supposed to do if the first thing you say is "YOU HAVENT IMPROVED IS 14.75 MONTHS IVE BEEN KEEPING TRACK"

[Anonymous No.3139977]

>>3139913
Oh, it's OP.

Maybe I should start posting here regularly too, I need someone to shit on me a little.

[Anonymous No.3139979]

Do I have a chance to make it ?

[Anonymous No.3139982]

>>3139956
is the little mushroom guy standing next to the baT and jumping or is he in the back? I cant tell. I like aesthetic on the thic lady.

hows my value and anatomy practice?

[Anonymous No.3139997]

>>3139975
>wtf am i supposed to do if the first thing you say is "YOU HAVENT IMPROVED IS 14.75 MONTHS IVE BEEN KEEPING TRACK"
take that as feedback because it's pretty much true.

It's strange you have some sorta cool looking master studies on dA, and some nice pieces in your favorites. I think you get too lost in details, and that makes it hard for you to see the larger patterns and learn from them. You would probably improve more noticeably by painting in a smaller resolution for a while (e.g. 300 x 500) and with larger brushes. It will be a struggle, but that's exactly what you need. You need to understand what you're missing.

Do you / did you read any art books? Loomis, Scott Robertson, Bert Dodson, Richard Williams?

[Anonymous No.3140021]

>>3139979
Now try to actually commit.

[Anonymous No.3140025]

>>3139982
>he little mushroom guy standing next to the ba
He's suppose to be behind, but just standing. And thank you.

[Anonymous No.3140031]

I drew these from imagination, any critique?

[Anonymous No.3140032]

>>3140031

Don't draw from imagination. Not for another 2 years.

[Anonymous No.3140035]

>>3139956
Either make toad intersect more (just touching is bad) or not intersect at all.

Needs shadows to communicate the space more clearly. I think you made her left leg bend a bit too much outwards.

The world design reminds me of Serious Sam :)

[Anonymous No.3140041]

>>3139956
also your scene is slightly tilted

[Anonymous No.3140042]

>>3140021
What do you mean

Im scared of anything more complicated

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3140045]

so, i'm back to the basic
i'm not sure how i'm going

[Anonymous No.3140046]

>>3140042
Don't be. Also read the sticky.

[Anonymous No.3140048]

>>3140035
>>3140041
Oh! I see. Thank you!
And now that you mentioned it, it does have a Serious Sam feel! haha!

[Anonymous No.3140057]

>>3140045
do you have some cubes, spheres, and cylinders in perspective, shaded, from imagination to show? Your study looks fairly sexy but has some mistakes that make it seem like you're not really thinking about it as a 3d object that is being lit. Also your ellipses are wrong. Drawabox, Scott Robertson, or Loomis would help.

[Anonymous No.3140092]

>>3140045
Your whites are way to white. You don't really need to go that far back to basics.

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3140108]

>>3140045
..

[Anonymous No.3140111]

>>3140108
Uh it got worse, what are you doing bro

[Anonymous No.3140112]

my unfinished waterfall

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3140120]

>>3140111
just what the fuck, what is actual problem

[Anonymous No.3140126]

>>3140120
Yo block in the light and shadows first big strokes then add mid tones then round the edges then add dark darks on occlusion then add highlights what the fuck wrong with u dude, u retarded?

[Anonymous No.3140128]

>>3140108
try looking at the ref

[Anonymous No.3140131]

>>3139440

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3140142]

i want kill my self at this point
so, i will try with another similar ref

[Anonymous No.3140161]

>>3140142
it's simply that a lot of small mistakes add up. with more patience you can fix em easily

[Anonymous No.3140224]

>>3140161
Not that guy, but how are you supposed to read this?
I have no idea what you're trying to say with these lines.

[Anonymous No.3140342]

>>3139769

Accepting that you're wrong is the most important step to making it.

[Anonymous No.3140344]

>>3140342
Not that guy, but you sure are blind.

[Anonymous No.3140353]

>>3140344

>not that guy

ok

[Anonymous No.3140367]

>>3140224
the curvature of his ellipses was looking wonky. so it's an attempt at offering a construction. vertical line is the center for each ellipse. red line around the silhouette is there to show that the vase has some roundness, which causes it to get darker. He drew it straight, which makes it weird to see a gradient going down. Ya need to think of what you're studying as a 3d shape if you want to draw your own original ones later.

[Anonymous No.3140395]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.3140405]

Critiques ?

[Anonymous No.3140409]

uh

[Anonymous No.3140410]

>>3140405
Ok I'm retarded, here's the pic

[Anonymous No.3140416]

>>3140410
Also, here's the ref

[Anonymous No.3140432]

>>3139891
>>3139919
here's your third party feedback

[Anonymous No.3140438]

>>3140410
awful color, actual skin has a lot of color in it not just a pale yellow shaded with brown.

[Anonymous No.3140441]

>>3140395
>>3140409

nice sketch...

[Anonymous No.3140447]

whats a good way to grind perspective, specifically for figure drawing. I have read all the books on it and done the drawings but I still lacking.

Other things are easy to "grind" just by drawing but my perspective never improves and I don't want to draw trucks houses and skyscrapers for hours. Is that really the only way?

[Anonymous No.3140451]

>>3140447
vehicles and architecture are good ways. idk why you dont enjoy them
alternately just shapes with shapes on them and cut out of them

[Anonymous No.3140453]

>>3140447

Learn to draw geometric shapes.
Learn to draw geometric shapes in perspective.

Breaking down subject into geometric shapes.

[Anonymous No.3140510]

>>3140438
Yeah I realized the color was pretty off-putting, what colors should I use to make it have a more natural tone?

[Anonymous No.3140563]

>>3139527
I hope I'm not too late. Don't give up anon. Carpal tunnel made my life hell but I didn't let it win. I'm not a great artist, so I cannot help you in that regard.

But carpel tunnel almost stopped me from playing Piano, a hobby I've cherished since a kid. I didn't let it though. There is exercise you can do to reduce the suffering it was on you.

It will be especially painful since you've already gotten it, trust me I know. But don't let it get worse, get yourself a hand grip or stress ball and get to work. Don't let yourself fall victim to it.

[Anonymous No.3140567]

Guys I'm new here, please don't take the piss on me I just have one question.

Can I start with Vippu's drawing manual? Keys to drawing just isn't clicking with me.

[Anonymous No.3140568]

>>3140567
No, that book is too advanced for you. You have to learn to draw from observation accurately and precisely by going through Keys to Drawing.

[Anonymous No.3140573]

>>3140568
Aww man. Alright, time to get back to it then. I gotta stop being a bitch and just stick with it.

[Anonymous No.3140584]

[Anonymous No.3140588]

observation

[Anonymous No.3140595]

>>3140510
try reds and purples on cheek/nose and try to make the light a cool color, I saw an image of where what colors show up on what parts of the face earlier but didn't save it.

[Anonymous No.3140599]

pretty bad but i think the bad ones can help get good crits too.

[Anonymous No.3140606]

>>3140599
wtf

[Anonymous No.3140616]

>>3140606
?

[Anonymous No.3140625]

>>3140599

Did you use ref for this?

[Anonymous No.3140628]

>>3139870
1. The contrast is bad. Study from references to get a sense of the proper amount of contrast. Also make sure you don't have cataracts.
2. You don't understand form. Do still lives with single light sources. Imagine things as boxes. Study planes of the face.

Also try sketching in black.

[Anonymous No.3140631]

>>3140625
yeah i used sculptures
if the "wtf" is referring to the beard/hair scribbles then its just short hand, sorry i probably should have cleaned it up before posting

[Anonymous No.3140643]

>>3139822
you arent /beg/ but you arent great. keep going and you will be great

[Anonymous No.3140644]

>>3139979
read this:
https://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

Use your brain

[Anonymous No.3140664]

>>3140644
worthy of a dubs

[Anonymous No.3140692]

>>3140643
Thanks. I can't wait to be great

[Anonymous No.3140700]

Is it really going to take years before I can draw shit like this? Maybe I'll just kill myself now

[Anonymous No.3140705]

>>3140664
except for the fact that I'm a dumbdumb

[Anonymous No.3140706]

>>3140700
>that hand
the head is the biggest casual filter start with that if you can't pass it then just kys

[Anonymous No.3140708]

>>3140706
Is learning how to draw a real head relevant to pointy anime chins

[Anonymous No.3140710]

>>3140708
not like loomis style but understanding the basic constructions like knowing how to place the eyes mouth , ears ..etc

[Anonymous No.3140711]

>>3140708
Draw from life and copy 0033, Yoshinari or Krenz. Or basically any good asian animu artist who posts tons of their sketches online, you can learn a lot by copying their construction style specifically and applying it to observational studies

[Anonymous No.3140712]

>>3140705
Learn how to blend. Even Brian can blend better than you lol

[Anonymous No.3140713]

>>3140700
Tiv has been drawing for like two decades at the least, so yeah. Even then, Tiv didn't draw like that in the beginning.

[Anonymous No.3140714]

>>3140432
wat? nothing wrong with almond eyes. though i admit i can see the squished look, i maybe move the eyes and brow higher and seee what happens. and i said "hows is this coming?" meaning it wasnt finished, compared to the the one on the right which is 'finished' . you guys really grasp as straws to deny progress has been made. tell your friends from the dildo/buttplug review forum thanks for the crit though

[Anonymous No.3140715]

>>3140711
>copy=/=understanding how to do something

not him but does 033 post his constructions and how does he draws from there , all i got is pics like this that are finished draws

[Anonymous No.3140717]

>>3140715
>copy=/=understanding how to do something
It's the first step.

Also, 0033 does post construction, I don't know how you can't see them, there's wireframes like every other post.

[Anonymous No.3140722]

>>3140717
>Also, 0033 does post construction

mind to post some

[Anonymous No.3140730]

>>3139690
Really nice flow.. your left arm is really nice but the right one has the bicep disconnected. Make sure the bicep weaves under the shoulder and the shoulder under the chest... boobs too high and hips too skinny

[Anonymous No.3140735]

>>3140588
nice work but keep the feet grounded. the ribs seem to have some strange angles and make sure you focus on negative space. itll help you see where the shapes are off

[Anonymous No.3140737]

>>3140599
nice work.. seems a bit measured and lacking in artistic flow. the eyes are really nicely rendered but focus on the lips and simplify your mark making. its really hairy and wispy be confident in your lines. confidence is the most important part of art

[Anonymous No.3140748]

>>3140714
Give up on art. Your hearts not in it kid, you'll go nowhere with it.

[Anonymous No.3140761]

Took some different lighting on a friend and painted it, some critq would be nice! Any tip on rendering hair as well

[Anonymous No.3140766]

>>3140748
shutup you dont know that

[Anonymous No.3140771]

>>3140761
How do I get as good as you?

[Anonymous No.3140779]

>>3140766
You spend more time defending your bad art than actually trying to improve. NGMI

[Anonymous No.3140784]

>>3140779
i cant draw right now the suns still up so its pointless to use my laptop cause the light washes out everything in the security truck and my charger died a while ago so i only have 3 hours tops in my battery

[Anonymous No.3140791]

>>3140784
you don't have a pencil and sketchbook on you? wowie

[Anonymous No.3140797]

>>3140791
no im doing other stuff. stop fucking asking questions. youre going to a place you dont want to fucking go. got it?

[Anonymous No.3140802]

>>3140748
why do people feel the need to be cunts... why would you say that

[Anonymous No.3140806]

>>3140802

You're right, I'm sorry. I should've said instead

Start trying to learn from critique more, defend your mistakes less, and draw more. If you really want this, you can do it. But not if you won't accept help.

[Anonymous No.3140808]

>>3140806
its not often you see someone on 4chan be humble. good on you

[Anonymous No.3140812]

>>3140797
that was the first i replied to you after you wrote some long winded excuse why you can't draw. stop being so fucking defensive and ignore the anons that are obviously shitposting and baiting you to give up

[Anonymous No.3140822]

>>3140797
just a bit of blending would make your work a lot better

[Anonymous No.3140825]

>>3139440
I don't get it, what's the appeal of this? It's not even a completely finished piece. It looks more like a random sketch.

[Anonymous No.3140828]

>>3140825
This too. It's not even the whole statue. Is there something I'm missing?

[Anonymous No.3140829]

>>3140825
it's simple and elegant

[Anonymous No.3140830]

>>3140825
>>3140828
What appeal are you talking about? Is it supposed to be good? I dont think youre missing anything

[Anonymous No.3140831]

>>3140830
they were on the front page of spegheddit with a brazillion upvotes

[Anonymous No.3140833]

>>3139440

[Anonymous No.3140836]

>>3140833
needs more dead bodies on the trees

like 100 more dead bodies

[Anonymous No.3140842]

>>3140712
The fucking point of my demo was not to blend because beginners usually overblend

[Anonymous No.3140849]

>>3140842
What does overblending even mean?

[Anonymous No.3140852]

>>3140849
its when you put too much power into a blender and it goes into overdrive

[Anonymous No.3140857]

>>3140825
point out a straight line anywhere in this sketch

[Anonymous No.3140869]

>>3140849
blending to the point where shit looks blurry and uncanny

[Anonymous No.3140886]

>>3140857
The one at the very bottom that touches her foot.

[Anonymous No.3140898]

How's this?

[Anonymous No.3140910]

how to improve my shittiness? How does one construct and is it something I should do with all my drawings of just until I get a better idea on the concept entirely?

[Anonymous No.3140917]

How's my progression lad's?
(Both of these pics were drawn with imaaaaagiiinnnnaaaation)

[Anonymous No.3140920]

>>3139870
>>3139933
>>3140628
I tried again after doing several simple shapes with single light sources, then tried again.
Thanks for the advice, I think this is a major improvement - I did my best to try and preserve the contrast instead of blending all of the values together.
I'm surprised how much of a difference it actually made.

[Anonymous No.3140928]

A huge problem I've noticed is how inaccurate my lines are compared to what I'm seeing. I feel like I always lose my spot/have bad proportions and my outlines come out looking nothing like my reference. I've mostly been practicing by drawing my hand and I'll usually start out with my thumb but I get the proportion so messed up I have to partially draw from reality and also use my imagination to make everything look somewhat right. How do I fix this? It's extremely frustrating.

[Anonymous No.3140929]

>>3140917
pretty good!

[Anonymous No.3140931]

>>3140928
By not trying to make everything look right. That's like one of the first things mentioned in Keys to Drawing is NOT to do that and to trust your eyes.

[Anonymous No.3140933]

>>3140917
A reference of a hat would take you a long way friendo. I'm not one to judge a man on how long he takes when it comes to progress but I think you can certainly stand to improve further still. Keep practicing!

[Anonymous No.3140934]

>>3140917

[Anonymous No.3140940]

>>3140931
I guess what I'm trying to say is my hand-eye coordination is terrible. I've read that you're supposed to spend more time looking at your reference than your drawing but whenever I do that, I feel like I'm just guessing with my drawing hand. It doesn't feel like I'm actually following where my eye is.

[Anonymous No.3140945]

>>3140940
Easy solution. Measure, measure, measure! Measure a lot with your pencil to make sure your lines are the right angle and going the right direction. Your brain sometimes interprets angle wrong, but with a pencil held horizontally or vertically, there's no mistake. Curves are very difficult to draw because pencil measuring doesn't work as well, so you instead have to compare measurements from other parts of the drawing. The best thing you can do is take your time and try your best to draw it how it looks. It's okay to mess up, you can always erase and do it again. It's okay to make a mess too, because one day you won't. Remember, if you try, you're likely to succeed.

[Anonymous No.3140951]

>>3140945
I feel like if I take too long however, I lose sight of the whole picture. Or if, for example, I'm drawing my hand, I'll lose the exact pose. Here's a drawing I did of my hand. I feel like I started off okay but then the proportion got all kinds of fucked up and now it just looks terrible.

[Anonymous No.3140952]

>>3140951
Not that anon, but why don't you break your hand in to smaller more manageable parts?

[Anonymous No.3140954]

>>3140951
Your hand will always be there, so you'll never lose sight of it. Its okay if it moves a little, as long as the general pose is there. Makes sure to watch your hand proportion, the palm side is too far out, but if you pushed in, it would look a lot better. It's a good effort in which you messed up and can now learn from it. So try again, I believe in you anon, you can do it!

[Anonymous No.3140958]

>>3140952
Because I'm not sure how to properly do that. I'm in a drawing course at my local community college and so far we've mainly talked about line quality and now we're getting into cross contour lines (which is also giving me a headache). The only formal drawing experience I have before this class is just reading the first few chapters from DRSB.

[Anonymous No.3140965]

How bad is this?

[Anonymous No.3140982]

>>3140958
Oh I see. Well, that's ok. Well I think all you gotta do then is keep practicing is all friendo. Practice is your greatest teacher after all!

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3140988]

>>3140910
for rendering just watch fuck ton of ctrl paint you will get a idea, i'm still shit but that tutorial was exactly what i looking for

but practice is impotant

[Anonymous No.3140991]

>>3140771

its going to sound mundane but just draw like a mother fucker. get in a habit of drawing at least 25 sketches a day or do 5 paint studies. I am currently doing this challenge where I am drawing 500 arms, 500 legs, 250 hands, 250 feet, and 1000 heads within 100 days. I am currently 200 heads away from completing everything. This challenge is meant to create a habit of sketching everything even after the challenge is done.

Bottom line is, there is not shortcut, just grind it out, if you don't understand something, dont just continuously draw the same thing over and over again, try and observe and understand it and then draw it again, rinse and repeat.

hope that helps

[Anonymous No.3140993]

>>3140991
Thanks senpai. That helped out a lot.

I have a question though. How long do you mean by 25 sketches and 5 paint studies?

[Anonymous No.3140995]

>>3140988
I'll definitely take a look. Thanks SENPAI

[Anonymous No.3141014]

>>3140991

I used to do something similar, but I ended up with a ton of badly drawn stuff, since I was told to not stop.

[Anonymous No.3141016]

>>3141014
Are you excel spreadsheets guy. Did you ever finish that 10k heads.

[Anonymous No.3141018]

There are some painting errors but this was my 10th drawing on digital so I'll let it slide

[Anonymous No.3141023]

I've been working on how i do lines and did this today. How do my lines look. Far left is how i used to do them and middle and right are how i plan on starting to do them unless i wanna go thin lines.

I also did a hand practice and worked on coloring so help with that too please.

[Anonymous No.3141026]

>>3141023
these are nice especially the colored hand but you made some basic proportion error with the middle and left full body drawings. the fore arm and arm are 1to 1 but the left lady drawing has the forearm extra short while the middle lady drawing has the forearm extra long and the arm etxra short. should be a easy fix.

[Anonymous No.3141027]

>>3141026
Not gonna fix them since these are just practices and the focus was on linework but that's some advice im gonna remember from now on.

[Anonymous No.3141032]

>>3141023
The way you rendered the hand lineart is really damn pleasing, good stuff

[nya No.3141036]

i wanna move on to lining it but i feel like somethings off?

[Anonymous No.3141038]

How do I get better at freehanding boxes? I've been practicing at it for a month or two now but they all still feel shit

[Anonymous No.3141041]

25 minute sketch

Is doing shit like this actually helpful for improvement or am I just deluding myself into thinking of this as study?

[Anonymous No.3141045]

>>3141036
front fore arm is way to long and wrist connects oddly to bowling pin shaped forearm. The back arm is also weird especially inits connection with shoulder. Just various anatomy and proportion problems. The thighs and shins are oddly proportioned with the thighs being super thick compared to the tiny shins and feet. She is not a thick character right?. Feet length is supposed to be the same as fore arm and arm length.

Heres mine, practice on anatomy, its half of a pelvis. I think it looks like a porkchop.

[Anonymous No.3141049]

>>3140993

Sketches can be whatever, like 25 figure gesture/figure drawings, 25 hands, 25 heads and so on, 25 is just bare minimum, if you want to level up faster, do more! I learned much from listening to a lot of Level Up videos, while I draw. Teaching me how to actually do studies and what not instead of just drawing a lot, this is very important.

As for painting, paint 60-90 minute stuff, like I spend an hour or so on each portrait shown above, I decided to paint that because I recently read a book about color and light. So it can be related to something you recently read about that you want to understand more. Try to observe other's work and try and understand what they did and why they did it and try to apply it to your studies.

>>3141014

I understand that feeling of drawing a lot and feeling like you are not getting anywhere. It seems to be the general advice given to beginners which should be reworded differently I feel. Yes draw a lot, but also try and observe what you are drawing before you dive into it. Draw a 5 heads, then take a look, what is throwing you off? What looks wrong? Eyes? Ok, now try see what you don't understand about it and research, have a reference book next to you, draw that eye over and over again and simplify it in shapes, break it down. This part doesn't have to be drawing a lot, this part is about observing and studying, then after you kind of understand it a bit more, draw a shit ton of it so you get it in your head.


attached a study by Krenz, where he wanted to study and learn about individual fingers then attaching it to the hand, very fascinating and inspiring.

[Anonymous No.3141053]

>>3141049
What do you mean by level up videos?

[Anonymous No.3141059]

>>3141053

Oh boy, youre in for a treat, give all of them a listen. Currently 83? Sessions, 3 Professional Concept Artist interview the industry's top professionals.

There break down of interview consist of

- How they first started
- What they went through
- How to got to where they are today
- Showcase some techniques with a Demo

www youtube.com/watch?v=9pXafttjK_Q

[Anonymous No.3141060]

>>3141041
It's about how you approach it. This excerpt applies to drawing humans to I'd say.

[Anonymous No.3141086]

>>3141060
fucking art just when I think you're going to zig you zag.
Thanks, I'll try and wrap my stupid head around that concept.

[Anonymous No.3141087]

>>3141038
Draw a horizon and vanishing point, then draw the box

[Anonymous No.3141096]

>>3141086
don't overthink it. What kinda helps you get it, is when you draw your own stuff from imagination. Then you realize "oh fuck I don't understand how a nose works!" so in your next studies you're more likely to pay attention to that.

[Anonymous No.3141098]

>>3141038
I like these quite a bit actually

[Anonymous No.3141134]

[Anonymous No.3141150]

>>3140737
>eyes are nice
im thinking that the eyes are the worst part. am i wrong?
>measured
as a beginner, thats appropriate i think
>lips
i see they are bad now
>>3140735
i see some of the imperfections now, particularly the back leg
>feet grounded
what does this mean?

[Anonymous No.3141160]

im done unless i should do more

[Anonymous No.3141166]

what is your learning resource?

[Anonymous No.3141170]

>>3141166
who

[Anonymous No.3141175]

>>3141160
You should always do more

[Anonymous No.3141179]

>>3141170
any one in /beg/

[Anonymous No.3141196]

>>3140761
why you in a beginner thread, nigger

[Anonymous No.3141198]

>>3139440
how do I get less stiff poses and how do I make cute grills?

[Anonymous No.3141201]

>>3141160
eric, honest question. are you jewish?

[NoseBro No.3141207]

>>3140917
leave /beg/

[Anonymous No.3141208]

>>3141201
with a name like eric, i dont think it works like that. im ex mormon if that counts and it explains my poor attitude

>>3141175
i will continue then

[Anonymous No.3141209]

>>3141208
>he lost the glow
now i see why you never improve

[Anonymous No.3141217]

>>3141201
Why are you asking random people of they're Jewish?

[Anonymous No.3141218]

>>3141209
fucking kek. no i kept it sorta. they are a cult

[Anonymous No.3141221]

>>3141217
i theorise its the reason they have an inability to understand anything like beauty or aesthetic

[Anonymous No.3141223]

I'm trying to go for realism, I'm afraid I'm not good enough for that yet. I know I need to work on shading, but I'm sure there is something else I'm missing.

[Anonymous No.3141225]

>>3141221
thats pretty harsh to automatically dismiss someones taste just because their own ability to creat isnt up to par

[Anonymous No.3141227]

>>3141225
you can tell when someone doesnt have a piety towards aesthetic, even by their beginner works

[Anonymous No.3141233]

>>3141227
well yeah 'piety' doesnt make any sense in that context

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3141240]

i have something that i don't get it
what is occlusion shadow actually means?
sorry for being dumb

[Anonymous No.3141241]

>>3141233
incorrect statement detected

[Anonymous No.3141242]

>>3141223
You skipped the "learn how to draw" part.

[Anonymous No.3141248]

what do you think of m y lollipop?

[Anonymous No.3141267]

>>3141241
nigga u dumb

>piety
[pahy-i-tee]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun, plural pieties.
1.
reverence for God or devout fulfillment of religious obligations:
a prayer full of piety.
2.
the quality or state of being pious:
saintly piety.
3.
dutiful respect or regard for parents, homeland, etc.:
filial piety.
4.
a pious act, remark, belief, or the like:
the pieties and sacrifices of an austere life.

name 15 articles, 5 documentaries and 3 art books that equate a passion and love for art with religious devotion

[Anonymous No.3141271]

>>3141267
jew detected
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro

[Anonymous No.3141283]

>>3141271
im not a jew im eric the exmormon and euthyphro didnt write the dictionary so its basically pointless to post that

[Anonymous No.3141287]

Original Character I made

[Anonymous No.3141289]

>>3141283
it means having a dedication to certain attributes that you consider to be higher than your self.

for example someone might consider their own (or another's) individual unique personality traits to be of inherent value even if they havent (and might never) prove themselves to be able to create something of quality. this person lacks piety and is unvirtuous/will never succeed.

religion and divinity are inseparable from human thought, even most atheists are atheists after the sect of darwin, he is their priest. what is considered to be a higher trait by an individual is what they consider to be divine.

[Anonymous No.3141291]

>>3141289
wat? why dont you just call it 'passion' like everyone else does

[Anonymous No.3141294]

>>3141289
passion is irrational

[Anonymous No.3141298]

>>3141294
Passion is a love or drive to do something, a self motivator how is it irrational?

[Anonymous No.3141300]

>>3141298
it implies intensity reminiscent of obsession and it differs from what is defined above since it can be a passion for the self, some trait of the self, or another person

[Anonymous No.3141305]

>>3141300
Not really, only if you let it obsess over yourself. What you say sounds right on paper but like in person you have to remember people are people and can think for themselves if you get me

[Anonymous No.3141316]

>>3141223
Yeah, mate, you gotta quit symbol drawing. You should start with drawing from life and/or reference. Get used to drawing what your eyes actually see instead of what your brain thinks the subject looks like.

If you want to draw animals, try to recreate a picture of an animal as closely as you can.

[Anonymous No.3141318]

Is there anything overly wrong with my loomis faces?

[Anonymous No.3141319]

>>3141316
Mindlessly drawing is mad fun

[Anonymous No.3141323]

>>3141318
Looks great! Just maybe straighten the right forehead a little more than you have looks too round right now

[Anonymous No.3141324]

>>3141323
Thanks. I've been finding it really hard to place the eyebrows. Now that that seems okay I'll try to put eyes in maybe. Also am stil pretty bad at any other angles.
I think the lips are still a bit off but I'll work on that after.

Mainly I'm just trying to get the general head form right rather than features though

[Anonymous No.3141325]

[Anonymous No.3141326]

>>3141318
the ear, the lips, the neck, the lack of eye line.
you should be grinding these from all angles desu

[NoseBro No.3141328]

>>3141325
leave /beg/

[Anonymous No.3141330]

>>3141324
Looks a lot better keep the lips I kinda like em maybe make the eyes made up of different shapes but keep it simple if you are going for that sharp cartoony yet realistic style. Remember to kinda hide the left side of the right eye behind the top of the nose

[Anonymous No.3141335]

4 hours spent on this pile of shit. I'm so fucking mad at myself. I quit drawing, I can't do this anymore, I'm too fucking retarded for this. I made Thandie Newton look like an ugly old woman. I wish I was dead.

[Anonymous No.3141337]

>>3141335
It looks fine if you want to make it look younger just get rid of those hard wrinkles around the eyes and mouth erase blend and just leave it from there you'll be fine

[Anonymous No.3141338]

>>3141335

[Anonymous No.3141342]

>>3141318
Try to apply the loomis method when drawing from reference. That should help you get all the proportions and placements down, and make the concepts easier to grasp.

[Anonymous No.3141345]

>>3141342
I was actually trying to draw the loomis method without reference. I'll keep trying. I know I need to start drawing from reference but my comfort zone is just grinding these

[NoseBro No.3141347]

>>3141345
make sure you can at least repeat the basic proportions, you should be able to do it in a few days. then practice the shape from different angles, then use reference and adjust for observation and likeness.

[Anonymous No.3141348]

>>3141337
Thanks. I tried that and took another photo, and I think that first pic I took was at an angle and distorted the drawing.

I'm still not satisfied with it tho

[Anonymous No.3141349]

>>3141348
Forgot pic

[NoseBro No.3141352]

>>3141349
/beg/ cant help you
go to /draw/ or something.

[Anonymous No.3141355]

is this where people come to learn how to draw traps?

[Anonymous No.3141357]

>>3141355
Read the sticky

[Anonymous No.3141365]

>>3141018
You need Loomis, my friend.

Try to think about how all of the different forms of the face come together. The face isn't one flat surface.

My recommendation for you is to draw from life more; when you're confident you understand all the fundamentals, come back to this painting and try to do it again with all your new skills. You'll be surprised how much of a difference it makes.

[Anonymous No.3141368]

>>3140920
Can I get some crit on this please?

[Anonymous No.3141392]

>>3139527
It's psychosomatic.

Existential stress has gotten to you.

[Anonymous No.3141393]

>>3141352
I'm pretty sure I'm still really retarded

I tried adding more contrast, making the darks darker, buuuut now she looks like a fucking burn victim

I'm never drawing again. I hate this shit.

[Anonymous No.3141395]

>>3141393
You should just hit up the /las/ discord

[Anonymous No.3141398]

>>3139440
gesture redline?

[Anonymous No.3141409]

>>3140910
Too bright and contrasty values. You gotta ease into the values. Starting with a 4 and a 6 on the value scale for example to block in the light and shadow shapes. Then you can see where you have to go lighter or darker. Instead of constantly going to 1, then 8, then 2, then 5 etc. Put something down like 4 and 6, then adjust from there. Much easier.

[Anonymous No.3141416]

What''s the point of studying values??

It isn't self evident to me.

[Anonymous No.3141418]

>>3141416
It makes things 3D.

[Anonymous No.3141425]

>>3141398
I think you just mixed up which limbs are up. If the left arm is in front, the right leg should be up. Also you might want to center the neck.

[Anonymous No.3141456]

I think i should stop holding my breath for each line i draw.

[Anonymous No.3141463]

Anything I should fix before I start painting and finish off the lineart?? I've never drawn a sack dress before, and I just want to finish the spaccy thing already

[Anonymous No.3141479]

>>3141463
You gotta focus your style first of all, you got straight up anime face going on with a creepily realistic hand. Not to mention, when compared to the whole body, that head is way too big and looks more like a male face. That dress also gives the body a really wide box shape on what, I assume, would be a small and slim child.

[Anonymous No.3141480]

>>3141463
>literally trying to polish a turd

holy shit lmao

[Anonymous No.3141526]

>>3139487
Hand on the rock doesn't give the impression that the rock is a solid object. the leg going into his right (our left) foot doesn't match up properly, turn that foot a little.

[Anonymous No.3141533]

Can someone please give me a reference on how to draw tractors or machinery? Got a commission for one but fucking shit this is difficult. I'm bad at machines and perspective and this is just a combination of that. I forgot to add machines to my blacklist. Definitely fixing that after this train wreck.

[Anonymous No.3141589]

>>3141533
Not sure what to tell you bud. Construct the shit out of everything I'm talking about construction/perspective lines everywhere. Break it down into chunks then rinse and repeat

[Anonymous No.3141602]

tips?

[Anonymous No.3141609]

>>3141602
The lips make absolutely no sense with the rest of the face at that angle. The shoulder pad makes the arm look almost broken. Unless your rendering is good it's gonna look like it's got a broken neck. Neck is also really long. Eyes don't look aligned.

[Anonymous No.3141612]

>>3141602
Where's the rest.

[Anonymous No.3141618]

>>3141609
yeah I suck at lips ;(, and the shoulder is pretty fucked, but I for sure am not at a point where I could render anything.

>>3141612
only made that.

[Anonymous No.3141640]

How many of you fucks do the whole "mark out all of the angles" bullshit when drawing a portrait from life?

[Anonymous No.3141677]

>>3140965

really...

[Anonymous No.3141693]

>>3140965

very bad, boob baloons but the hips are a disaster zone.

[Anonymous No.3141703]

>>3141640
Sometimes, you can do it by intuition after drawing for a while. But if it's a difficult face or angle, then yes.

[Anonymous No.3141706]

>>3141703
Alright, thanks. It seems whenever I find a skillfully done demo it's all a bunch of measurement lines and that just doesn't seem enjoyable to me.

[Anonymous No.3141729]

>>3140965
How much of a virgin do you have to be that you don't even know what boobs look like

[Anonymous No.3141735]

>>3141729

manlet level virgin? I just don't know how something looks like if I have never seen ( or don't remember) how it should look like?

[Anonymous No.3141740]

>>3141335

feminine grandpa? or masculine woman?

[Anonymous No.3141747]

>>3141479
How do you recommend that I make the body bigger?? Is it just a matter of making the legs longer (moving them down pretty much)?? For my style, the reason that it's like that is because I stupidly spent about 2 years drawing nothing but men, so now I'm trying to figure out how to draw women, which has a huge contrast as animu girls can't really follow normal human anatomy like boys do. I'm not really sure how I should fix the dress as it's a sack dress (similar to image referenced(pic is not me btw)), and all I know is how to draw trousers. Thank you for feed back though!

[Anonymous No.3141760]

>>3141735
Just look at any reference pose, or observational drawing,, Boobs do also follow the laws of gravity and are quite heavy, big ones would never perk up like that, unless they're fake

[Anonymous No.3141827]

>>3141760
>>3141735

I think the hips are a far bigger problem than anything else, hips don't work like that

[Anonymous No.3141878]

>>3139440
Quick question. Should I get Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain or the workbook that goes along with it? Will the normal book come with exercises to do, or will it just go in o brain hemisphere research? I can't tell.

[Anonymous No.3141879]

>>3141878
Get both

[Anonymous No.3141899]

>>3141878
This book isn't intended for serious artists, it's for non-artists to learn basic draftsmanship.

[Anonymous No.3141906]

>>3140126
Not that anon, but you don't have to be rude. Just give the guy simple advice and critique his work. No need for hostility.

[Anonymous No.3142121]

>>3141899
>it's for non-artists to learn basic draftsmanship

Hey, guess what I am!

>>3141879
Thanks, I'll try to get both.

[Anonymous No.3142406]

Angles are hard. I should probably spend more time on each one though

[Anonymous No.3142412]

>>3142406
i've been there mate. its rough, just grind them out for hours upon hours, make sure you can comfortably draw the cut spheres from angles.

[Anonymous No.3142415]

>>3142412
I've almost filled a sketchbook with just loomis faces. Though I only focused on front and 3/4 views. Plan to grind out these kind of angles too from now on

[Anonymous No.3143621]

What is a good order to read loomis in ?