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3138631 No.3138631 [Reply] [Original]

>try to study Loomis
>eyes glaze over from all the reading
>exercises are 'draw the rest of the fucking owl' tier
>3 hours later still draw like shit
is loomis a meme to troll beginners like /g/ does with gentoo?

>> No.3138633

>>3138631
Yes. Loomis is complete shit. Read preston Blair instead.

>> No.3138635

You non-drawing faggots are the worse. It's like fucking math with you guys.

>2x + 1 = ?
>haha that's too complex for me, I'm not a math person
Fucking get the fuck out of here.

It's only draw the rest of the fucking owl tier to your eyes because you don't even care enough to think. You're still shit because it's not a one-stop magical solution that will make you a master in a few hours. Either shut the fuck up with the threads and keep drawing or shut the fuck up and don't.

>> No.3138651

>>3138631
>eyes glaze over from all the reading
RTFM, ya pinhead.

>> No.3138663

Loomis wrote bad explanations for good content. Proko's videos break it down better.

>> No.3138677

>>3138633
Is it 2010 again?

>> No.3138679

gentoo is a versatile and powerful OS, just because you're an idiot and can't figure it out doesn't make it a meme.

>> No.3138687

>I expected improvement after just 3 hours
Well this is you're problem right here. It takes days, weeks and months to improve.

>> No.3138693

>>3138631
i got a succeed to study loomis

>> No.3138702

>>3138631
>3 hours later still draw like shit
Wait, do beginners actually expect their skill level will improve in real time as they read a fucking book?

>> No.3138722

>>3138631
Okay first of all, don't listen to these fucking idiots. Loomis, bridgeman and hampton are all intended for intermediate level artists. If you just started math, would you jump to calculus or start with basics like addition and subtraction? To get the most of of Loomis, you already need to have a general understanding of proportion and placement as well as perspective. If you can draw a basics, you can't construct a planar head like Loomis. Start slow and work your way up.

>> No.3138723

>>3138722
Can't draw a box*

>> No.3138725

>>3138722
Loomis teaches you about proportions and perspective in FWAP along with construction.

>> No.3138727

>>3138722
>Criticism
>No real solutions

Can you be specific in what you recommend to get to the point where Meemis becomes relevant?

>> No.3138740

>>3138722
Alright, so you tell us that thise artists aren't good for absolute beginners, but you never brought up recommendations/replacements. What manner of bullshit is this?

>> No.3138762

>>3138727
>>3138740
Draw a box lesson 1
Drawing on the right side of the brain
Perspective made easy

and lots of and lots of drawing from life.

>> No.3138775

>>3138762
>It's bad to study Loomis and Hampton if you don't understand proportions or perspective despite them actually TEACHING you about proportions and perspective
>But you should totally scribble some shitty life drawings without having any understanding of perspective and proportions despite life drawing being an exercise meant to deepen ones understanding of concepts you've learnt

Yep, you're a retard.

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>>3138775
I am not him, but Drawing on the right side of the brain is teaching this, i fucking wasted year of my life by not doing drawing from real life. I recommend instead of drawabox just download Peter Han's drawing course Dynamic sketching 1(from sgpeers), it's videos so for retard like op who can't read it would be better, i improved greatly by doing this, also i recommend not buying any of stuff what Peter Han recommended. Well you can buy it, but for thirst three weeks you dont need any of this, any ballpoint pen would work, it's better be black though.

>> No.3138778

>>3138762
Keys to drawing > right side of the brain

>> No.3138783

>>3138723
>>3138727
>>3138740
Do I really need to hold your hands? I already mentioned proportion and placement and perspective. Learn how to draw basic forms as well as basic perspective. See Marshall vandruff perspective series, draw a box, and creative form drawing blogspot. For proportion and placement, that comes with mileage. Take a drawing of your favorite artist and try to copy it exactly as possible. Proportional systems are useless once forshortening is introduced. You have to develop an ability to measure the subject correctly using your eyes.

>> No.3138884

>>3138775
>despite life drawing being an exercise meant to deepen ones understanding of concepts you've learnt
Wow, you sure are retarded man. Life drawing doesn't deepen shit it is the basis the start, it is everything. How do you think loomis and hampton learned? You have to be trolling honestly.

>> No.3138987

>>3138762
Those are also intermediate level artists.

>> No.3138989

All that sit is just guidelines for a skill that is entirely personal. You just got to get good and it doesn't take 3hours mate. Loomis is a good start but search around

>> No.3140047

>>3138722
This guy is right. You will get BTFO if you jump right into books of like Figure Drawing For All It's Worth (Loomis) or Figure Drawing: Design and Invention (Hampton). You *need* to have a basic understanding of forms, lines, perspective, using reference (observation), proportions, and the imaginary 3D space of the paper you're drawing on before you start reading these books.

I repeat, do not even think of reading these books until you can place boxes and cylinders in any position from any angle without reference and draw accurately from life.

>>3138727
>>3138740
For absolute beginners:

Drawabox Lesson 1: This is for people completely new to art. It will improve your mechanical skills by giving you some exercises to draw lines. You will see rapid improvement here, and soon realize that drawing lines is the easy part. You'll also learn how to draw ellipses accurately, and boxes in perspective (both critical for drawing from imagination).

Keys To Drawing by Bert Dodson: Going through this book and doing most of the exercises will seriously improve your observational skills and give you better control of your drawing tool. This allows you to use reference much better (even if you're not copying the reference 100%, which is usually the case when drawing from imagination). You will be able to copy photos and draw things from life easily, and for many people, this is good enough. But you're not close to being able to draw from imagination yet, you will not be able to draw a figure just from your head yet.

Drawabox Lesson 2/Perspective Made Easy By Ernest R. Norling: Drawabox's second lesson will teach you about forms, the 3D objects on the paper. You need to understand how forms are placed in perspective, how they're affected by light, etc. Absolutely critical for all drawing in general. Perspective Made Easy will reinforce your understanding of 1P/2P perspective and teach you some basic but very useful techniques (such as equally dividing spaces).

>> No.3140051

>>3138631
In all fairness, /ic/ gets way too hung up over loomis.
Like some broken machine.
Loomis has some nice stuff but most of the time he's way too winded and impractical.
So instead of improving some of /ic/ study loomis FOR YEARS without improving.
Beware the loomis.

>> No.3140053

>>3138778
Fucking this

>> No.3140055

>>3140047
fuck off ISIS, drawabox is trash

>> No.3140067

Loomis sucks. Looking at his books is almost a guarantee that you're not going to make it.

>> No.3140068

>>3138631
Dude none of the old masters wasted their time on loomis, why are you?

>> No.3140069

loomis is codeword for work on your fundamentals

it doesn't literally mean attempt to study loomis but loomis tells you what the fundamentals are

it's not an instructional guide but a glorified pamphlet before google was invented to let you in on what those pesky fundies are

you look elsewhere for lessons

so remember when anyone says loomis (may they know it or not) it's really a meme codeword

>> No.3140072

>>3140069
loomis didn't preserve his books and just left them to the public domain shitter after he died for a reason.

but drawabox is even worse

>> No.3140089

Loomis is a poor man's hogarth.

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>>3138631

>eyes glaze over from all the reading

Sounds like a personal problem.

I don't know whether I find it frustrating or funny when I see beginners rote copy bloke faces out of a book and then cry that they can't draw anime porn and that it's Loomis' fault they couldn't figure it out. If you don't have the brainpower to understand the concept it's trying to teach you (namely: construction) you're wasting your time.

>> No.3140302

>>3140099
Why can't he just teach construction then?

>> No.3140310

>>3140072
What's wrong with drawabox?

>> No.3140313
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3140313

>>3140302

He tries to put into words even retards like OP would understand in books like fun with a pencil by making some little baby blokefaces, but even that's too complex apparently. If you want someone who teaches construction without frills you can look at artists like Scott Robertson's How to Draw, but if you can't wrap your head around fucking Loomis good luck with Robertson.

Anybody who is frustrated that "3 hours later and I still can't draw!" is going to be frustrated at literally any art instruction resource. If you could learn to draw in three fucking hours this board wouldn't be such a miserable shithole.

>> No.3140317

>>3140313
But beginners can't draw faces.

>> No.3140318

>>3140317

Beginners can't draw anything.

>> No.3140321

>>3140318
Exactly. So why make them draw something as complex as a face?

>> No.3140323

>>3140321

To illustrate that you can construct complex things out of simple shapes you sperg. Bloke faces aren't complex, they're basically a combination of fucking circles to create a cartoon.

>> No.3140327

>>3140321

Go to Robertson if you want to spend the first six chapters learning how to draw boxes in perspective, most beginners don't want that because it's fucking boring. They want to draw things, like people.

>> No.3140332

>>3140323
They won't be good faces,

>> No.3140335

>>3140332

Beginners can't even draw good cubes, no shit. It takes years to make good faces, if you want instantly good results find a new hobby.

Listen, if Loomis instructed that you spend six months drawing spheres before moving on to constructing things out of them you'd be bitching that it's too boring, and you'd be right. Draw some bad bloke faces, learn the concept that complex things can be made out of simple shapes, and keep going. In a few years you'll make a good face.

>> No.3140338

>>3140335
It just teaches people bad habits that they'll have to unlearn later.

>> No.3140341

>>3140047
>Keys To Drawing by Bert Dodson:
So this will enable me to draw Anime girls properly?

>> No.3140347

>>3140341
It unironically does if you understand how to apply it, but most people don't.

>> No.3140348

>>3140338
>bad habits and unlearning meme
I laugh every time.

>> No.3140351

>>3140348
If you spend years drawing bloke faces before moving onto real faces, then all those years will be mostly a waste.

>> No.3140352

>>3140351
>he actually believes this
Do you think you can just nail a real face on the first try or something? Delusional, probably don't even draw.

>> No.3140354

>>3140338

Learning construction isn't a bad fucking habit, care to elucidate what bad habits you're learning?

>> No.3140355

>>3140354
Simple cartoon faces they'll be drawing for years.

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3140357

>>3140351

If you spend years drawing bloke faces you missed the point of the fucking book. He basically clearly states the point is to teach construction in the first few pages of Fun with a Pencil, but maybe you skipped that and started copying the fucking cartoon faces out of the book thinking it'd be a magic bullet because your 'eyes glazed over'.

The cartoons are a proof of concept, they're not supposed to be the end goal. You're not supposed to draw his shitty cartoons for years, you dope.

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3140358

>>3140355

Try actually reading his book next time before you brainlessly copy it for years then/

>> No.3140359

>>3140357
It takes years to build up the skills to be able to draw real faces.

>> No.3140361

>>3140359

Yes, learning to draw faces doesn't translate into brainlessly copying blokes out of a book. Are you being deliberately stupid because you're too stubborn to admit you totally missed the point of the book?

>> No.3140368

>>3140361
That's my point.

>> No.3140369

The only people stupider than despair trolls are the idiots who bump their shit threads

>> No.3140372

>>3140369
Just practicing for when a despair troll accidentally becomes your kouhai and you have to beat the despair out of their dumb ass.

>> No.3140374

>>3140368

Then why are you bitching about Loomis? Fun with a Pencil isn't supposed to be "how to draw my shitty cartoon faces", it's about how to construct more complex things out of simple forms. You make a handful of bloke faces to go "oh wow turns our spheres, cubes and cylinders are super versatile!" and then you apply the method to other things. If you actually read it instead of just trying to copy the pictures that would be pretty clearly what he's getting at.

You'll find the concepts of construction in basically any imagination drawing book and a fair few observational ones, people are just directed to Loomis because he spells it out for idiots.

>> No.3140379

>>3140374
But he also gives cheap shortcuts to drawing faces, which is a bad thing. Do you think beginners will care if drawing faces and figures isn't the point of the book is he just plops down a shortcut in their lap?

>> No.3140392

>>3140379

What shortcuts?

>> No.3140394

>>3140392
The simple cartoony faces in the book. Beginners will go "Oh wow, drawing faces is easy" and just stay stuck on that for until they're forced to stop drawing like that.

>> No.3140408

>>3140394

Maybe if they're retards or just want to draw shitty Loomis cartoon faces, people with other aspirations will not. In fact most people have the opposite problem, they don't bother with Loomis because they think "those faces are ugly, I don't want to learn to draw those faces, I want to learn to draw other faces!" They ignore the concept and imagine it as a superficial 'how to draw this exact thing' book, which it isn't.

Look, anon, if you were stupid enough to copy Loomis faces for years I'm sorry, but most people aren't. If they did, thinking that it'd make them better at other things, they deserve what they got.

Drawing Loomis faces is relatively easy and that's the point, though I find it funny you switched from complaining that learning to draw faces was too hard for a beginner to saying it's too easy and teaches them bad habits. It demonstrates that rather than a mastery of going straight to linework you can master shapes and create all sorts of things quickly and effectively. It DOES NOT mean you need to just draw his fucking caricatures. You can draw a tank out of a series of boxes and cylinders with the same underlying procedure you can a bloke out of spheres.

Anyway I'm probably wasting my breath, you're welcome to quit art or read another book, but if you go into another book with the same mindset you had with Loomis it's probably not going to do you any good.

>> No.3140411

>>3140408
So what's with all the praise of Loomis then? Even drawing books for children teach the same exact thing.

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>>3140411

See >>3140374

>people are just directed to Loomis because he spells it out for idiots.

Sadly some idiots still miss the point. I guess their 'eyes glaze over'.

>> No.3140415

>>3140413
So do those simple two page tutorials and children books.

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>>3140415

Go brainlessly copy those for a few years next then, you jackass.

>> No.3140423

>>3140420
Well yeah, that's the only way to improve at drawing.

>> No.3140426

>>3140415
look I'll help you out, fun with a pencil is pretty much trash, figure drawing and head/hands are the actually good loomis books okay.

fun with a pencil is just to get you to start having fun.

>> No.3140429

>>3138762
>>3138783
>>3140047
Thanks, bros. Your advice has been noted.

>> No.3140460

>>3140355
Animated cartoons is actually the subject requiring the most intuitive understand of form in space.