Digital '''''''''artists''''''''

[Anonymous No.3137119]

>Watching Zeronis working on a piece, from his patreon
>He cheats every 30 seconds and we aren't even in 5min of drawing yet

[Anonymous No.3137129]

>>3137119
define cheating? Screencaps?

[Anonymous No.3137132]

He is a concept artist, he is allowed to "cheat". It's all about getting the job done the fastest way posible with the best quiality.

[Anonymous No.3137152]

>>3137119
What do you mean by "cheats"?

[Anonymous No.3137158]

>>3137119
What's the context for this picture?

[Anonymous No.3137231]

>>3137158
The top guy is a 3d animator or programmer who came up with a self learning way for 3d models of bodies to move. Basically since the computer doesn't know how humans are supposed to walk (or that the models are even humans) it made them move in really unnatural ways like weird rolling and bending of the joints and lurching. He said it could be a novel way of coming up with things like how a zombie might move. Miyazaki was obviously disgusted. I think the guy cried when his work was shit on.

[Anonymous No.3137241]

>>3137231
God, the more I hear about this guy the more I find he's just a cunt. He may have a hell of a... Same-face legacy, but that's just it. All his work is the same. Who the fuck is he to provide ANY useful insight towards experimentation?

I hope top guy succeeds in whatever he does next. And I hope it blows us out of the water.

[Anonymous No.3137242]

>>3137231
Miyasaki can be a really grumpy old man at times.

[Anonymous No.3137251]

>>3137119
post video

[Anonymous No.3137252]

>>3137242
it's his inflated ego

[Anonymous No.3137264]

>>3137129
>>3137152
Pic related all the time to fix up his shitty proportions

>>3137132
Bullshit, every single job in the world requires best quality in the fastest possible way, nobody wants to wait a minute in the modern world
Thats not a excuse

>>3137231
Bullshit again, the guy was creating a robot who could draw similar to humans without the downside of getting tired

>>3137241
>Hating on the only modern japanese men who isn't a beta cuck and is not afraid to tell about the cancerous japanese culture, in specially the modern state of anime
Get cancer weeb

[Anonymous No.3137265]

>>3137264
YOU THINK ADJUSTING THINGS WITH THE TRANSFORM TOOL IS CHEATING!?

[Anonymous No.3137269]

>>3137264
>using transform tool is cheating

You can't be series

[Anonymous No.3137273]

>>3137264
If I get cancer it's not going to be from you, you fat bastard, it's going to be from the preexisting tumors in my neck.

You'd rather all animation/art look the same, without derivation, without success after all the failures? You have no concept of progress, no concept of experimentation and implementation. Those words don't exist in your brain. That you would place this repetitive human being on a pedestal rather than acknowledge his flaws is proof enough of your stagnation and incompetence. And thus, you'll never understand the joy of creating something from originality, coming up with something new and improving it, building it up, and seeing it grow. You simply don't deserve it.

May you go through life knowing that your achievements are nothing more than mediocrities of people far more gifted than you will ever be.

[Anonymous No.3137274]

>this whole thread

wEw

[Anonymous No.3137282]

>>3137264
>bullshit
>bullshit
>weeb
>beta cuck
>modern state of anime
>cancerous japanese culture
>transform tool is cheating
lol

[Anonymous No.3137294]

>>3137269
>>3137265
I knew that was gonna be his complaint before I even opened the thread. And I haven't even seen the video.

Nice bait OP 7/10

[Anonymous No.3137302]

>>3137282
its like /ic/ bingo

[Anonymous No.3137316]

>>3137119
fuck off, moron

[Anonymous No.3137322]

>>3137265
>>3137269
It is cheating and anyone who says otherwise doesn't realize the distortion effect it has on their art.

[Anonymous No.3137330]

>>3137322
>distortion effect
like time distortion?

[Anonymous No.3137372]

>>3137322

[Anonymous No.3137383]

>>3137322

[Anonymous No.3137390]

>>3137264
>Bullshit again, the guy was creating a robot who could draw similar to humans without the downside of getting tired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZ0K3lWKRc
Nope I was right.

[Anonymous No.3137393]

>>3137273
>Complains about animation being everyday more industrialized and natural
>Defending someone cheating to get their proportions right instead of just going with the flow and let their drawings be more organic
>Going on that retardely pointless rant who I am not going to read because it is that shitty

Try music, because neither drawing or writing is for you

>>3137282
>Lemme just focus on the buzzwords to judge the post and move away from the actual point
Hello reddo

>>3137322
This, people defending this shit are either unskilled digi-niggers or baiters

[Anonymous No.3137395]

>>3137390
Fucking christ, I wish to be 50% as based as Miyazaki when I grow up

[Anonymous No.3137406]

>This thread
Just what you'd expect from a Miyazaki fag.

[Anonymous No.3137409]

I wonder who is behind those posts...

[Anonymous No.3137414]

>>3137265
Stuff like layers can be replicated in traditional; proportionally changing the size of something you just drew is not possible.

[Anonymous No.3137420]

>>3137414
>what is erasing a line and drawing it over again
>what is a paintover

Nigga, what is you?

[Anonymous No.3137424]

>>3137414
riding a horse at 100mph is impossible, therefore driving a car at 100mph is cheating

[Anonymous No.3137437]

>>3137390
wow what a fag
>muh disabled friend

[Anonymous No.3137439]

>>3137414
cant lightboxes do something like that? like you can make them shine light so the underdrawing looks bigger and then you can trace it

[Anonymous No.3137444]

>Miyazaki's specific concerns are over the lack of attention paid to people in real life. He said people in the industry "don't spend time watching real people" and can be characterized as "humans who can't stand looking at other humans." He then called the industry "full of otaku."

LOL oh how well he captures /ic/

[Anonymous No.3137460]

>>3137437
Miyazaki is really a dense narcissistic fuck.

[Anonymous No.3137512]

>>3137444
pretty much something any good artist or teacher will tell you

[Anonymous No.3137606]

>>3137444
I think people have grown to become more cunts in general. It's not that I don't like people, I don't like to deal with cunts. And the worst part is that, by consecuence, that makes me a cunt too.

[Anonymous No.3137744]

>>3137420
So why doesn't he redraw instead of resizing it?

>>3137424
Ahhhhh yes? If you are in a horse race competition a car is definitely cheating

[Anonymous No.3137799]

>>3137390
the software they are making is fucking trash, we have software which is doing what they are trying to do but far better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpbn8vImT_U

[Anonymous No.3137805]

>>3137744
>Ahhhhh yes? If you are in a horse race competition a car is definitely cheating
good thing I am racing to my work place to get my work done faster and not in some obsolete only-good-for-betting horse race

[Anonymous No.3137828]

>>3137744
>art is a race

No rules, just tools faggot. Keep crying about this shit while everyone else surpasses you. NGMI.

[Anonymous No.3137862]

>>3137424
this.

[Anonymous No.3137863]

>>3137393
>focus on the buzzwords to judge the post and move away from the actual point
>reddo
>"""""""""""" """"""""""""""""
>digi-niggers
Those buzzwords are red flags. Anons who use them 99.9% of time are retards/underage and their opinion worth nothing. This thread and your posts are great proof of it

[Anonymous No.3137875]

>>3137264
Not cheating, just poor draftsmanship.

[Anonymous No.3137882]

>>3137863
Pretty much. People like this are usually the worst of the worst because there is literally nothing about their own art they can be proud of, so the only thing they have left is to pretend the medium they work in itself gives their work some form of superiority.

[Anonymous No.3137885]

>>3137241
>>3137242
I think he's just massively disillusioned since he's made almost no difference in a lifetime's career

people made porn of Kiki, ffs

[Anonymous No.3137887]

>>3137744
The real question is, why would you insist on riding your half lame donkey in a race where everyone else is driving formula 1 cars?

[Anonymous No.3137895]

>>3137885
>I think he's just massively disillusioned since he's made almost no difference in a lifetime's career

Miyazaki is probably the single most influential director in the animation industry since Walt Disney himself. If in your opinion Miyazaki made no difference, then who the hell did?

[Anonymous No.3137900]

>>3137895
Bantant lie. Stop lying to this board. Miyazaki is a hack that didn't evolve the 90s

[Anonymous No.3137909]

>>3137895
That's in his words. In "the kingdom of dreams and madness" he talks about movies and he sounds very bitter about the craft, like it's "after all, just a grand hobby" and other things like that.

I think his view of things is skewed in many ways, he's an old person after all... and honestly not even that mature - you wanna change the world with children's movies? Really? But I'm sure he had good reasons to develop those ideas.

Also he surely lost faith in 'traditional' animation which at this point it's happily on its way to become computerized... cartoons made in 3d with toon shading can look almost hand drawn at this point.

[Anonymous No.3137925]

>>3137909
>cartoons made in 3d with toon shading can look almost hand drawn at this point.

For example? The only one I can think of that did a somewhat decent job at it was that one Disney short. Other than that, every time a show uses this technology, it becomes a laughing stock due to how bad it looks, like Berserk or Kemono Friends most recently.

[Anonymous No.3137933]

>>3137925
>For example?

my cock in your ass

[Anonymous No.3137949]

>newfags can't into Miyazaki's humor
You know he's "plane otaku"?

[Anonymous No.3137958]

>>3137949
>newfags can't into Miyazaki's humor
the dude in the video couldn't, he looked like he was about to cry

[Anonymous No.3137960]

>>3137925
By toon shading I mean this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2jXe72x14U

In the documentary (the realm of dreams etc. etc.) there was also a cartoon where Miyazaki was a supervising animator and it very clearly trying to mimick the Ghibli style in 3d

[Anonymous No.3137964]

>>3137273
>If I get cancer it's not going to be from you, you fat bastard, it's going to be from the preexisting tumors in my neck

[Anonymous No.3137966]

>>3137395
don't we all

[Anonymous No.3137999]

>>3137322

[sk" moshi moshi chinese cartoo(...) No.3138013]

>>3137119
>>3137264

I guess using an eraser is cheating then.

[Anonymous No.3138036]

>>3138013
burn all bridges if you want to learn how to do it right IE.. cigarette burn your self everytime you make a mistake

[Anonymous No.3138047]

>>3137322

thats why you draw over it you dumb dumb, as opposed to erasing in paper,or using translucid paper.

[Anonymous No.3138052]

>>3137119
no rules just tools

[Anonymous No.3138102]

>>3138052
OP is a fucking tool

[Anonymous No.3138371]

>>3137744
>drawing at home is now a competition with every other artist in the world, so don't cheat!

??

[Anonymous No.3138379]

>>3138102
/ic/ bringing the bantz

[Anonymous No.3138420]

>>3137895
>Miyazaki is probably the single most influential director in the animation industry since Walt Disney himself.

That's a load of shit.
No one is adapting anything Miyazaki has done, yet everyone still uses design choices from Disney when it comes to stylization (not 100%, but majority of the influences is clearly there even in animu).

However, Miyazaki was right in this regard with the 3D program. It was garbage and really was a insult to life itself. Dumb japanese bitch needs to check himself.

[Anonymous No.3138425]

>>3137265
>>3137264
>mfw haven't used the transform/lasso tool in years
>the ability to get proportion and form correctly slowly increasing without the use of crutches
>have disciplined myself to delete the whole thing and start over instead of relying on cheap tricks

Feels good man.

[Anonymous No.3138464]

>>3138425
Post work

[Anonymous No.3138482]

>>3138420
Miyazaki is the most influential japanese animator/director, his movies are classics and people still talk about him to this day

Who is even other jap on the same tier as Miyazaki? The fag who made Eva? Bitch please you can be salty as you want from his success but you can't deny it

In 20 years we will still talk about his movies, meanwhile every other director just shits seasonal garbage

[Anonymous No.3138492]

>>3138464
I'll post it later

[Anonymous No.3138499]

>>3138482
To be fair evangelion has a theme park and the director went on to work on Godzilla, which is a staple of horror and film.

You're right though; miyazaki is refutelessly a legendary creator we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes

[Anonymous No.3138509]

>>3138482
>comparing japan with japan

Oh, then I honestly don't care.
I mean, comparing shit with shit doesn't matter. You're arguing that one art style is less shit than the other. Problem is, at the end of the day they are both shit.

[Anonymous No.3138511]

>>3138482
>stop insulting muh miyazaki!!
You're the only one who's salty, son. How's he influental? What new thing did he bring to animation? How has he changed it for the good?

[Anonymous No.3138533]

>>3138499
Eva had a huge impact on culture and will probably keep having for a few more years, but the main problem is Hideki never really created something nearly as powerful. It maybe because he got rich and famous, while he wrote Eva in absolute misery

Its one of those cases the creation becomes bigger than its creator, Eva is masterful, Hideki not as much but I respect your opinion and kind agree with it

>>3138509
>Anime has been always garbage lmao xd
okay? classic anime ( and a few cherrypick post-modern ones ) are fucking godtier tho


@3138511
Fuck off reddo, I'm just harvesting salt from weebs like yourself

If someone started to shitpost the sky isn't blue, you would post back because you know the sky is blue, not because you are a blind fanboy of the sky

[Anonymous No.3138544]

>>3138533
>@3138511
Off with you.

[Anonymous No.3138552]

>>3138533
>Eva had a huge impact on culture
You mean moe culture? Eva's actual content is very vanilla for a mecha show by the 90s and 90% might as well have been a love letter to Tomino.

[Anonymous No.3138554]

>>3138552
Not that anon but how did Eva influence moe culture?

[Anonymous No.3138558]

>>3138554
Asuka and Rei were huge for merchandise and while technically not the first, were the prototypes for the modern tsundere and doll (or w/e they call it), which are pillars of the modern moe waifu industry.

[Anonymous No.3138709]

>>3138552
They definitively weren't average, the anime was incredibly dark to the point they had to redo entire episodes because of how fucked up it was, this is why Eva's quality is so shit in some episodes; It was truly written by a man in state of mysery

Shinki while its just another beta fag today at the time he was a interesting character because of his weaknesses and cowardice

Rei was meant to be the dehumanization and idealization of a woman, thats why the weebs loved her so much

Asuka was what a real women is supposed to be, full of emotions. Also the scene of her mindrape and the coma were very impactful

You can see references in movies and shit, can't remember right now because fucking wasted but I recall a Regular show having a episode with a reference, the writer of Avatar the aang version also admited to get inspiration from Eva and when I used to play hots there was some skins based on Eva like pic related

And personally I don't really dig eva that much but I respect it for the cultural value

[Anonymous No.3138739]

>>3137119
What causes a artist to develop a jaded mindset. Same thing happened to bill watterson

[Anonymous No.3138769]

>>3138709
>the anime was incredibly dark
A super robot show from the 70s had the baddies turn civilians into human bombs to use against the protagonists. And the show ends with almost everyone dying, even most of the kid pilots, in a Pyrrhic victory. And part of the early premise is that the kids fight without even realizing that they're resented by the people they're protecting. Eva is hardly dark compared to some of its predecessors. Apocalypses are nothing new, killing of large parts of your cast is nothing new, and disturbing subject matters aren't really that new. It's very standard fare for mecha, and really just anime/manga in general. I guess you could argue that some of the psychology was disturbing, like Shinji jerking off onto Asuka, but it's just over the top.

>Shinki while its just another beta fag today at the time he was a interesting character because of his weaknesses and cowardice
You say that like he's the first reluctant hero. Even in mecha it's a trope from the 70s that probably got real popularity with Amuro, who's forced into being a pilot because everyone else is dead. His neurosis doesn't reach the point of Shinji's extreme mental breakdowns but it does reach a point where it's clear he's disturbed by it and struggling to grow out of it is part of his early character arc. Of course, if you watch Z and CCA he doesn't become a healthy adult.

>Rei was meant to be the dehumanization and idealization of a woman, thats why the weebs loved her so much
>Asuka was what a real women is supposed to be, full of emotions. Also the scene of her mindrape and the coma were very impactful
They basically contributed nothing other than kickstarting the waifu industry. Most of the interesting things that Eva has to offer is inherited because Eva's ultimately a derivative show with Anno's personal style. It's well executed but that doesn't mean it's groundbreaking.

[Anonymous No.3138770]

>>3138739
Age and the world being a shit place. Ignorance is truly bliss.

[Anonymous No.3138771]

>>3138709
>You can see references in movies and shit, can't remember right now because fucking wasted but I recall a Regular show having a episode with a reference, the writer of Avatar the aang version also admited to get inspiration from Eva and when I used to play hots there was some skins based on Eva like pic related

I hardly think a few easter eggs is anything notable. Also, Avatar being inspired by Eva sounds like a hilarious joke. Did he ever explain what part of it inspired him? My personal opinion is that Avatar was a decent show, but typical of a kid's show chickened out on the dark stuff, whereas Eva didn't have a problem with it.

[Anonymous No.3138779]

>ITT: Faggots who are concerned with everyone else's artwork but their own

[Anonymous No.3138781]

>>3137264
You're a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.3138782]

>>3137119
https://www.patreon.com/posts/breaking-down-5751939

[Anonymous No.3138822]

>>3138769
Anime fans know about Eva
Normies know about Miyazaki

[Anonymous No.3139199]

>>3137231
His main gripe was that the zombie didn't even move how a zombie would move. There was no empathy in the animation. The artist didn't sit down and think of how a creature like that would actually move, or how that movement would affect its life and behavior. He was right; this was animation without a soul, and it should have never been made.

[Anonymous No.3139346]

>>3138771
What do you expect? A Eva DLC? Easter eggs are references, thats the whole point, the writer loves X so much he puts a few references of it in its work

I fucking love Sakura Card Captors, so I can make a reference or two in my webcomic so other people who know will it

[Anonymous No.3139369]

>>3138709
I like Eva, but I really want to stab you in the fucking face for your awful analysis of it.

[Anonymous No.3139370]

>>3139369
Well then let's see your analysis

[Anonymous No.3139381]

>>3138771
I see a lot more wit in a well made show for teens that tastefully touches on more serious matters than some indecipherable edgy clusterfuck that tries way too hard to pass for mature.

[Anonymous No.3139409]

>>3137966
Any more of captions with him? Or a sauce to the video

[Anonymous No.3139411]

>>3138492
im still waiting

[Anonymous No.3139476]

>>3138739
disagreements between their expectations and reality. you can say it's just the world being a shit place, but really they're just sour that people didn't react to their work the way they wanted them to.

[Anonymous No.3139545]

>>3138769
it was the intro they referenced evo

[Anonymous No.3139546]

>>3139545
this one looks like a stretch and i don't remember how these scene played.

[Anonymous No.3139567]

>>3139411
I said I'll post it later.

[Anonymous No.3139569]

>>3138769
>Eva didn't have a lasting impact on culture at all
>Even tho people outside the mecha fandom know it and love it
>Even tho people outside the anime cultural sphere know it and love it
>Even tho people still reference it to this very day
>But definitively nothing special about this anime

You are so fucking pretentious and delusional it hurts

[Anonymous No.3139579]

>>3137909
>you wanna change the world with children's movies? Really?

Is this bait? Because of it isn't, you're a retard. He HAS changed the world with childrens movies. As have many, many other people.

[Anonymous No.3139603]

>>3139579
He misinterpreted everything Miyazaki said just to put him in a "old bitter man without reason" light
Either baiter or dense retard, either way don't feed him more attention

[Anonymous No.3139873]

>>3139603
I love Miyazaki, but he IS bitter and I never said without a reason. There's plenty of shit going on right now, I can clearly see why he'd be disillusioned about animation.