Being self taught is a meme

[Anonymous No.3129004]

How the fuck can you learn without proper mentorship? How do you guys know what to learn and how to move on? I've heard that going to an art school is not necessary but at the same time being on my own makes me confused as to what I am supposed to do in order to get proficiency at drawing.

I've been drawing a lot but I can't see any meaningful progress, so for me being self taught seems like something that isn't really real, at least not in the literal sense.

[Anonymous No.3129010]

>>3129004
>I can't do it, therefore no-one can!

Ok.

[Anonymous No.3129011]

>>3129004
Yesssssss good goy, spend tens of thousands of Shekels pay no attention to your environment you cannot learn from observation you NEED instruction from an institution! It's the only way!

[Anonymous No.3129015]

>>3129010
>>3129011
Typical, this is the only response I ever get when I ask about that stuff.

>how can you learn on your own?
>like, just do stuff man lol

So why is school bad again? Tell me without resorting to retarded responses

[Anonymous No.3129024]

>>3129015
>Should I go to artschool to study from life?
>No, you could study life from life observation in your fucking living room
>I don't like that answer therefore I am going to disregard everything until I find an answer that I like!

[Anonymous No.3129031]

>>3129004

Of course you need an instructor. Art isn't any different from learning the piano. You need to learn to play the piano correctly or you'll instill bad habits. Likewise the same for art or any hard skill.

You don't need to pay 100k for a professional but you don't want to pay $10, either. The people you see who get good really quickly all have someone guiding them. /ic/ won't admit this, but just look at the mediocrity here. Most don't have money and pirate things so they justify their shortcomings by answers like >>3129024. Don't be a fool, get a mentorship.

[Anonymous No.3129032]

>>3129024
You can't get good from observation, unless you devote decades to it. You know why? Because there is no one to give you tips and you are going to spend years drawing the same stuff the same way.

Like, how am I supposed to know how to make this head's values better if there is no one to tell me how to do it? I just draw it the same way every time because if I could do it better the first time, I would have done it better.

[Anonymous No.3129034]

>>3129004
Are you willing to show your work? If you are struggling, maybe someone here can offer a guide.

If you really don't think you can do it on your own, then find a bloody teacher. You don;t need to make a forum post about it. Just go

[Anonymous No.3129035]

>>3129031
>>3129032
Tell me one good reason why you would spend money on "mentorship" only to hear the same regurgitated material you already knew and be handed resources you could easily find with a simple search? Unless you are in it to gain some form of credential or opening up new doors by connecting with people from the inside you can't.

[Anonymous No.3129038]

>>3129035
Explain me how am I supposed to avoid instilling bad habits with learning on my own? Not that anon >>3129031 but I do feel guilty of making mistakes because I have been doing wrong stuff with no surveillance.

[Anonymous No.3129039]

>>3129004
what do you want to do with your art?
which industry do you want to work in?
who will be your target audience?
which fundamental skills do you think will help you the most in your daily drawing?
what are your weakest areas?
where do you feel you want to improve next?

also talk to art students and check up on what they're doing and stuff.

[Anonymous No.3129046]

>>3129035

"mentorship" or "instructor" whatever, someone with experience in your industry helping you on your journey. Self-taught does not have to mean "I did it without a helping hand". Self-taught generally means you didn't go to an institution for a degree but took alternative measures. You can get to a point without feedback and then you'll stay in a perpetual loop for years, stagnate, and stay on /ic/ repeating NGMI memes. Unless you want to settle for /ic/ critiques you don't be an idiot and get someone professional to help you.

[Anonymous No.3129048]

If you draw let's say a cast, why do you have to draw it 100 times in order to get slightly better? Why can't you analyze it once and know what to do? Does drawing has any fucking logic in it? If I can't see something after 5 times, I won't see it after 1000 times.

[Anonymous No.3129050]

>>3129004
If you want to fix that problem don't go to art school.
They don't teach you how to draw.

[Anonymous No.3129067]

>>3129038
>Explain me how am I supposed to avoid instilling bad habits with learning on my own?

If you seriously cannot see mistakes after a day by compare and contrasting between real world figures and your drawing you have bigger problems to be worrying about. You will learn nothing by someone spoonfeeding you all the time.

>but what about muh style 2d moe blobs cannot exist in the three dimensional form!

You have an entire continent of chinks working at sweat shops and anime farms to reference from and even overpriced weebshit figurines and if that doesn't help there's always real world figures but it takes a little bit of problem solving and effort.

>but real people look nowhere near like muh hyperdimension cybernetic gundam neptunia space girls!

Regardless of it not looking like a real figure or not it is still derived from life as an abstract simplified form that requires knowledge of the fundamentals you learn through observation hence the whole point of this discussion is to simply observe from life.

In case you skimmer through my post with your attention span being less than a minute:

lol just keep drawing bro!

[Anonymous No.3129069]

>>3129067

>teach me how to shoot a gun
>lol just start killing people bro haha

[Anonymous No.3129075]

>>3129067
I have disdain for anime, so I don't know what the fuck are you talking about. I want to be a realism painter so it's far, far away from that shit. The problem here is that I've been drawing portraits for a year and I know for a fact that my next portrait is going to be the same looking as the one I did 4 months ago and because of that I am losing interest in drawing whatsoever. Makes sense, because I don't want to do the same shit all the time, especially when I am beg tier.

But I guess people who are allegedly "self taught" don't have the answer to this. Probably because they weren't really self-taught and started attending to a school or got a mentor last minute but still label themselves as self taught.

[Anonymous No.3129078]

>>3129048
1.Why are you so mad?
2.where does this 1000 times notion comes from ?
3.drawing a cast is a difficult process, it involves understanding volumes and values, knowing how to use your chosen tool to represent what your seeing, having the dexterity, etc.
Could you analyze a "pixel" ONCE and understand and copy it ? sure. but thats not what doing a cast is. Have you even try it ?

[Anonymous No.3129080]

>>3129075
if you've lost your inspiration to draw, find a new inspiration. check out other artists, go to a museum, go out into the city and really look at the things around you, find something interesting, and sketch it on the spot. if you ever run out of ideas, go explore.

[Anonymous No.3129084]

>>3129078
You have to understand nothing to draw from a cast. In fact you could do it entirely by measuring shit with a ruler, assuming you always hold it the same way, in the same place and position. Art rewards you if you switch off your brain and think as little as possible about what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.3129086]

>>3129078
>where does this 1000 times notion comes from
Probably because every "succesful" artist regurgitates that shit all the time. JUST DRAW BRO AND YOU WILL MAKE IT.

This is exactly why being self taught is a myth. I tried it and I know for a fact that it's just instilling wrong habits without any real point. Why d oyou have to lie and hide that you were attending schools? Is labeling yourself as self taught boosts your ego? Why can't you admit that it's fucking worthless? No good pianist is self taught for the same reason no good artist is self taught?

Why the hell can't you fucking admit it?

[Anonymous No.3129089]

>>3129086
i made more gains using my head and reading books than drawing.

The secret is actually reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.3129090]

>>3129086
>Probably because every "succesful" artist regurgitates that shit all the time. JUST DRAW BRO AND YOU WILL MAKE IT.
Nono, it's "JUST DRAW BRO (AND BUY MY COURSES) AND YOU WILL MAKE IT"

[Mark Brunet No.3129094]

>>3129090

Make sure to buy my Complete Guide to Concept Art on the cubebrush dot co and also on my sister site where I take 100% of the royalties, brushboost™.com. Act now because I just updated it with new chapters so you don't pirate my content.

And remember to just draw.

[Anonymous No.3129095]

>>3129050
This, you have to know how to draw before getting in. They just help you help yourself.

[Anonymous No.3129096]

>>3129086
Again, why so mad ?
You don't HAVE to do it 1000 times, there is no point in studying something more times than necessary.
The "just draw bro" is directed at people that have obviously drawn 2 times and are now asking for the secret tip to making it, the answer is drawing, until you get it, not 1000x times everyday until the end of times.

[Anonymous No.3129101]

>>3129096
>The "just draw bro" is directed at people that have obviously drawn 2 times and are now asking for the secret tip to making it, the answer is drawing

So if I am beg tier and I can't get better, what's the answer for this? I am not mentally challenged, I just don't know how to make values better for example. I just don't know, no one will tell me. Books will tell me to "pay attention to form and makes values seem real", that's not helpful to actually get shit done.

[Anonymous No.3129114]

>>3129101
Well, you ask that and post an example of your work.

When it comes to values you need to understand the 3d form of what you are drawing, you too need to know how does that 3d form gets affected by light. Maybe you meant that you have weak contrast and you are not using dark values enough.

As with everything if you need help with something try to make the question very expecific and with visual aid.

As a side note, don't take every "just draw bro" answer here seriously. Not everybody is here to help you, some people want to help but don't have the time, assume you are a beginner and tell you to fuck off and draw.

[Anonymous No.3129115]

>>3129004
Dave Rapoza is self taught. He made 2 podcasts talking about how he learned by himself. It may help you, it certainly helped me. So give it a listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4tttsdhn8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGwAu0CAUb8

[Anonymous No.3129116]

>>3129048
The brain can autopilot things after you do them more than once allowing you to focus on parts you aren't as good at.

[Anonymous No.3129119]

>>3129115
ops, second link is wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RRmDJ6lCcQ

[Anonymous No.3129120]

>>3129115
He had mentors and critique from forums but I guess you can say that's "self taught"

[Anonymous No.3129124]

>>3129120
There you go, and you have mentors and a plethora of aspiring artists and even professionals on /ic/ eager to provide positive feedback and constructive criticism to further help you :^)

[Anonymous No.3129125]

>>3129120
You can. Again, like someone already said, "self-taught" means not going to art school.

It does NOT mean, figuring it all on your own.
It never has and it will never will.

[Anonymous No.3129128]

>>3129120
He just talked to Justin Coro, Justin Sweet and others to create a schedule of studying. And you can join an art forum anytime.

[Anonymous No.3129134]

>>3129115
ty so much anon this podcast is gold

[Anonymous No.3129138]

>>3129134
You are welcome. Every time I need motivation I listen to these podcasts.

[Anonymous No.3129139]

>>3129128
the prime of art forums is long gone though

[Anonymous No.3129143]

>>3129125
So if I can't get any critique and no one bothers helping me at all, then I won't make it? That's it?

[Anonymous No.3129144]

>>3129143
Yeah because that means you suck or have bigger problems

[Anonymous No.3129147]

>>3129143
If you don't get a critique and you have a problem with your art, compare yourself to someone who have figure it out, go after what other skilled artists do. Internet is filled with resources to help you. You can still improve, get somewhere. Just keep pushing.

>>3129139
Art forums aren't everything. Nowadays there's more places with resources, just like I said.

[Anonymous No.3129151]

>>3129143
Not neccesarily, It will take you longer tho.
Theres still a lot of passive knowledge out there in books and video classes, don't discouraged if what you read doens't help you, not everybody learns the same. Also sometimes you can ask google and find your question answered already.

[Anonymous No.3129180]

>>3129147
What's the alternative to art forums

[Anonymous No.3129195]

>>3129031
But why did you post mediocre art?

[Anonymous No.3129204]

>>3129004
You seem to like digital asian painters. Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtqLEajb5DORGv4qXWzVSmA/videos

[Anonymous No.3129205]

>>3129015
If you want helpful answers and a civil conversation, don't start your fucking thread with a provocative statement like "being self taught is a meme". Are you seriously so far gone in terms of social interaction that you can't even see that you are the one inviting the shit you get from how you start the conversation?

[Anonymous No.3129209]

>>3129031
The irony is that you are wasting hundreds of $ on a mentorship and will still be every bit as mediocre, if not worse than most people here. Getting good at art is about intelligence and work ethic. People like you could be taught by Michelangelo himself and never get particularly good at art because you just don't have what it takes.

[Anonymous No.3129211]

>>3129209

>projecting myself onto others

[Anonymous No.3129229]

>>3129211
How am I projecting? You literally said you are too stupid to improve and don't know how to correct mistakes. In fact, YOUR whole argument is projecting your own stupidity onto others pretending if you are too stupid to improve on your own, no one can.

[Anonymous No.3129233]

>>3129229

I didn't 'literally' say anything. Read a book to get better comprehension.

[Anonymous No.3129256]

>>3129115
Man I have no words.
This is fantastic.
Those were probably the most helpful 30 minutes I've spent in a long time.

[Anonymous No.3129259]

>>3129256
Why? What did you get from it?

[Anonymous No.3129264]

>>3129259
You showed me Dave's podcast.
I owe you a thanks.

[Anonymous No.3129268]

>>3129259
This? I like to hear Dave talk simply because he appears to be laid back and sincere, but I don't get what's so illuminating about his talks.

He wasn't an art prodigy, but he drew well enough to get paying jobs early on, despite knowing little to nothing compared to what the average /ic/ user knows. People here in general are so much better informed that many artists that are successful, they know Loomis, they have subscriptions on NMA and Schoolism. You can't assume that every single person here does nothing but watch that shit without ever touching a pencil.
This mentality is making people waste years of their lives chasing an impossible dream.

[Anonymous No.3129269]

>>3129004
I don't understand how can you NOT know what to study.
Even if you take OP picture and compare it to your work, you can tell that something is better.
Well, what is it? Line quality? Good, you now know what to study for the next few days.
What else, lighting? Add it to the bunch, rinse and repeat.

And how to study it? It's always the same procedure - theory, practice, analysis.
Didn't you go to elementary school?

[Anonymous No.3129273]

>>3129268
What impossible dream are you talking? When he started he was on the level of most of people on Drawthread. Dave just kept at it.

[Anonymous No.3129295]

>>3129269
I know how to study, I don't know how to improve.

[Anonymous No.3129328]

>>3129295
fix what you don't like about your art

[Anonymous No.3129339]

>>3129328
I always thought that I have to go from the most basic fundamentals so I can go through the whole thing smoothly and never lack any skill that is essential to professional work. So for me it is doing casts now and other stuff in black and white.

[Anonymous No.3129353]

>>3129339
That's somewhat a misconception, improvement in art is not a straight path or even a linear process. Fundies are important, but if you want to grow as an artist and not just technically as a draftsman, you need to surround yourself with a variety of influences and invest time into stuff you love, drawing smug anime girls, for instance.

[Anonymous No.3129429]

Literally all it takes is commitment and time, look at anatomy, break it down in your mind and draw it over and over again until it looks right, when you have basic anatomy you can use that to base stylization on

[Anonymous No.3129431]

>>3129429
Easy to say, difficult to prove to skeptics

[Anonymous No.3129449]

Of course you can. But you have to make it yiurself.

[Anonymous No.3129451]

>>3129015
A private mentorship is the only way after learning the fundamentals.

Apart from self education or art school

[Anonymous No.3129454]

>>3129328
but I like everything about my art

[Anonymous No.3129470]

>>3129353
The only thing that is hindering me from growth are my non existent fundies so far, so I have to develop an obsession over it

[Anonymous No.3129471]

resorting to the thought that you NEED school or mentorship or any other learning path that isn't based on your own thought is an abandonment of responsibility and loss of artistic integrity. at least in the past when information wasn't so cheap apprenticeships were the rational choice. not so much the case anymore. you will have a hard time finding a position for anyone worth a damn and if you do it will be for free or even you paying them for the chance to just be around them doing grunt work, not even being instructed.

actual schools ensure you've been hazed enough with 'fundamentals' to have lost all personal creativity. then they unload their philosophy and style on you. which can be desirable for some, i guess. if you want to achieve just enough in a single style you didn't make nor understand and then stop learning altogether (which is the sad and pathetic popular route).

[Anonymous No.3129472]

>>3129471
You should be a mentor anon

[Anonymous No.3129486]

>>3129472
what?

[Akirel No.3129533]

>>3129004
I'm self-taught. It hasn't gotten in the way of learning what I need to learn and getting where I want to be. If I can do it, I'm pretty sure anyone else can do it, too. Just learn as much as you can, and establish goals, and eventually the act of problem-solving will become more straight-forward, and make more sense.

[Anonymous No.3129608]

>>3129533
but your work isn't particularly above /beg/

[Anonymous No.3129612]

>>3129004
If you can't make it yourself you're not a real artist :^)

[Anonymous No.3129641]

>>3129533
post work

[Anonymous No.3129654]

>>3129084
>Art rewards you if you switch off your brain and think as little as possible about what you're doing.
Wait, what? You're gonna have to elaborate on that.

[Anonymous No.3129658]

>>3129654
just feel the form, go with the flow, and draw what you want

[Anonymous No.3129674]

>>3129654
cause like, musicians calculate the harmonic series in their work to find the right melody. or stop being dumb and learn something.

>In aesthetics, the sublime (from the Latin sublīmis) is the quality of greatness, whether physical, moral, intellectual, metaphysical, aesthetic, spiritual, or artistic. The term especially refers to a greatness beyond all possibility of calculation, measurement, or imitation.

[Anonymous No.3129676]

>>3129658
>>3129674
I'm having one of those "ERROR, DOES NOT COMPUTE" moments. But I'll try to take the advice best I can.

[Anonymous No.3129680]

>>3129004
git good
no one can teach you
you can only learn

[Anonymous No.3129684]

>>3129676
art isn't something you can calculate out like mathematics. doing that is precisely the opposite effort. music is the best demonstration of this as possible.

if you're still having difficulty understanding then i assume you're feigning stupidity in the form of some badly communicated argument.

[Anonymous No.3129687]

>>3129676
you are literally being memed

[Anonymous No.3129689]

>>3129608
Aki is intermediate

[Anonymous No.3129690]

>>3129689

Refresh me on his work again. My memory blends him in with no@ebro.

[Anonymous No.3129694]

>>3129684
>if you're still having difficulty understanding
>still
I'm a different guy. Not the other Anon.

[Anonymous No.3129711]

>>3129687
Elaborate on it, then.

[Anonymous No.3129712]

>>3129711

Not him but you must be new here. "feel the flow" is a meme and draw what you want is a recipe for stagnation.

You need to be very wary on this board. Lurk for a few months or you'll get bamboozled.

[Anonymous No.3129714]

>>3129690
http://nilefar.tumblr.com/

[Anonymous No.3129721]

>>3129712
X is a meme is itself a meme. you're just too retarded to understand the original meaning of the meme and have followed suit with the other idiots carrying an empty statement to oblivion.

[Anonymous No.3129722]

>>3129714
>http://nilefar.tumblr.com/
that's not him, unless nile for no reason goes by another name

[Anonymous No.3129725]

>>3129721

I know about flow. You can gesture battle me any time.

[Anonymous No.3129727]

>>3129725
>he knows about flow
M-MASAKA

[Anonymous No.3129733]

Tbh doing studies and constantly getting critiques from ppl who are 1000x better than you are is one fastest way to improve.

A lot of the masters started off in apprenticeships

[Anonymous No.3129737]

>>3129733
So join a lot of DA, facebook and tumblr groups and get crit to become better?

[Anonymous No.3129750]

>>3129737
now you're getting it

post your work everywhere in groups and get feedback...that's how all those "popular" artist on DA today did it back then before all these kids today have CGpersia

[Anonymous No.3129754]

>>3129737
>>3129750
how to become exactly like the herd of very pretty, trash illustrators.

[Anonymous No.3129759]

>>3129754
That's what most people want instead of whatever fantasy you're dreaming up.

[Anonymous No.3129761]

>>3129754

[Anonymous No.3129765]

>>3129750
>>3129754
Sayonara chums, gonna go make it now.

[Anonymous No.3129769]

>>3129765
ゴードスピード

[Anonymous No.3129770]

>>3129761
>sea salt
what's the difference between sea salt and regular salt? is this just hipster branding?

[Anonymous No.3129774]

>>3129770
Tbh I have no fucking clue. All I know is Sea Salt + Vinegar chips taste better than Regular Salt + Vinegar chips.

[Anonymous No.3129777]

>>3129759
why are we even discussing this then? it's a closed matter of copying existing work. what a fucking joke of goals.

[Anonymous No.3129884]

>>3129471
I just want to draw whatever I want whenever I want, I don't care about muh artistic integrity or other trash. Get your head out of your pretentious ass because your posts are worthless. People want to be good with fundamentals so they can create good art, not some random lines because it's more artistic. Fuck off retard.

[Anonymous No.3129904]

>>3129004
>studying is hard
>art sucks
Stop making these threads. Bitching about your personal problems doesn't belong here.

[Anonymous No.3129937]

>>3129011
I'm sorry that you're a poor piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.3129945]

>>3129004
Odds are that self teaching will take longer than going to a proper school (not some shit meme school) so if you have lots of cash and don't want to waste time then school is an option, if you don't mind progressing slower and mostly for free then self teaching is better.

[Anonymous No.3129995]

Technically reading books, watching videos etc are not exactly a *self* education since you are being educated by someones work. The difference being that it was not delivered and supervised by a dedicated person whos job is entirely in educating you and making sure that you are learning.

>>3129024
Yep, spending dozens of years figuring out how shading\perspective etc works on your own is a very efficient way of doing things. Observation is all you will ever need! /s

Generally neither is better per se. Without trying to understand the subject yourself and hence educate yourself whenever possible no sort of instructor will ever do it for you. The teacher provides the information but does not directly hammers the knowledge into your head. If either the teacher doing a lousy job or the pupil doesn't learn on its own accord the entire process won't work, be it "self" education or not.

The problem is that the uneducated cannot really tell whether the teacher or a study material is genuinely useful or a stupid worthless shit that you should avoid. Education being a service the you can buy with money doesn't help this at all.

[Anonymous No.3130012]

>>3129884
>doesnt understand why artistic integrity is important
>wants to make 'good' art anyway
>this is what happens when they don't teach basic thinking skills in HS now

go trace some photos or something. you can make 'good art' without all the meaningless artistic integrity stuff.

[Anonymous No.3130016]

>>3129115
it lacks of information at the step of focus on, its too important to focus just in drawing before painting at first and he didn't say it

[Anonymous No.3130037]

>>3129046
What if I ask other better artists on the internet for free for help?

[Anonymous No.3130051]

>>3130037

If they're willing to help that's fine, too. If they're pretty up there and still learning they'll still remember the struggle and are better able to relate to you than if you were to ask Vilppu in person as he has long forgotten the crucifixion.

[Anonymous No.3130094]

>>3129010
Opened the thread with the intention of posting this. OP's an autist

[Anonymous No.3131122]

>>3129004
so true

[Anonymous No.3131197]

>>3129608
>but your work isn't particularly above /beg/
lol i wish /beg/ looked like this

[Anonymous No.3131213]

>>3131197
look like what? shit?

[Anonymous No.3131235]

>>3131213
post work

[Anonymous No.3131395]

>>3129004
heres a fucking idea for you:
Draw, draw it again, and draw it again from memory. then maybe get someone to critique your shit if yo are autistic enough, then draw some more. draw with purpose rather than blaming everyone else that you cant learn by yourself.

[Anonymous No.3131404]

>>3131213
>being this much of an edgy memester

[Anonymous No.3131499]

>>3129004
Is this a new fad? I've seen like 4 youtube videos recently saying the same shit.

[Anonymous No.3131506]

>>3129004
Everyone learns in the there own way, do whatever suits you best, sorry for the hippy philosophy but I believe it's mostly true

[Akirel No.3131845]

>>3129608
I got shit for posting my work in the /beg/ thread because apparently I "knew full well my work isn't beginner level".

Not my words, the words of anons in /beg/.

[Anonymous No.3131851]

>>3129004
Ah, the classic /ic/ bait thread.

[Anonymous No.3131874]

>>3129004
I attended 500$ mentorship from robotpencil and learned more from it than my shitty college. mentorship> college bullshit

[Anonymous No.3131891]

>>3131874
Mins reviewing it and telling us how it was?

[Anonymous No.3131895]

>>3131197
nice. few more years and you made it. almost there man. have you tried branching out already?

[Anonymous No.3131902]

>>3129205
>expecting people to be able to comprehend the ins and outs of civilized conversation, void of hyperbole and memes, on 4chan of all places.
You have yourself to blame

[Anonymous No.3131922]

>>3129233
I really don't get it. Are you just shitposting or are you this fucking stupid? Having a mentor can hasten the progress along but (You) have to be able to tell whats wrong or not working with your art. People think art comes down to talent and whatnot but the most progress your going to make comes from the problem solving you do on your own. I want my art to look like this, therefor I will use trial and error to get to this ideal aesthetic.
>inb4 but I don't know how to do thing
You literally live in the information age, there is no excuse for you to be unable to find the solution to your problems by yourself by whatever means you happen upon.

[Anonymous No.3131931]

>>3129937
Das sum gud salt

[Anonymous No.3131934]

>>3131922
This is the right fucking answer

[Akirel No.3132025]

>>3131895
What do you mean by branching out?

[Anonymous No.3132062]

>>3129004
Im learning to draw using the /ic? guide as well as checking out random youtube videos when i get stuck on something. More than anything im learning that the best skills to develop are patience and discipline. Learn a thing, practice it 10 times, learn a new thing and so on.

[Anonymous No.3132066]

>>3129004
What's the best way to get a mentor? Post good work and get noticed? Hit up artists and see if they like your work enough to teach you? Pay them? I assume you have to show potential somehow to get a mentor, but how do you do that aside from finished works and studies?

[Anonymous No.3132104]

>>3129004
Mentors can help. A good mentor can help A LOT.

But ultimately it's up to you. You and your many many hours of work every day I know you put in your art, because you want to succeed and you know the only widely available way to have a chance at success is dedication.

I can readily say I can't actually learn by myself. I've tried with digital art and I just get overwhelmed. I need some sort of guidance, but others might not.

[Anonymous No.3132110]

>>3129004

>Guise being self taught is just a stoopid meem because I cant study good xddd

>WOAH THERE why cant you guys just answer me in a civilized straightforward way????

This is the shit you bring upon yourself you idiot.

[Anonymous No.3132139]

>>3129089
/thread

[Anonymous No.3132143]

>>3129120
>i have an excuse for everything that doesn't agree with me.

[Anonymous No.3132145]

>>3132143
I try to.

[Anonymous No.3132289]

>>3129774
>sea salt
>regular salt
What ?
All I can find is sea salt where I live.

[Anonymous No.3132329]

>>3129004
Well, part of the educational experience is the point of this forum - art critiques. But that's lost in the sea of crab buckets and "how do be an attention whore on social media" or people who are using art as a means to an and, not as a following or passion or calling.

Being an artist is a lot of things, but learning to be self-critical, and being able to look at something and have skills to see cliche, copouts, rushed work, mistakes, etc. is also important - and getting fresh eyes on it from other people.
People who are against art school have an agenda - they either went to a poor school, like the cookie cutter 'art academies" every city has now (that are more about sucking up that sweet federally backed school loan juice than creating artists), went to school but failed because of personality defects, can't afford it, or are scared of it, because the know their "Loomis grinding" shit won't mean a thing there. Throw in a couple of childish anti-establishment types, and you have 4chan /ic/

Should you go to an art school? Go visit one. Call ask if they do tours, as a prospective student. If it's a state school, go hang around the studios, and start talking to people. See what kind of environment it is. See what kind of work is coming out. See how you'd fit in.

Me, I found once I got into the higher level art classes, it was an electric environment, everyone was just pumped up on art, and trying and learning new things, and feeding off everyone's energy. You have to feel it, to appreciate it.

Or, you can listen to the crab bucket members here, and stay right where you are, never progressing, never getting off on creative energy of others, sitting in some basement grinding fundamentals and never moving on to the steps after that.

[Anonymous No.3132330]

>>3129011
Thousands and thousands of people study art at state schools, don't go into massive debt, and work while going to support themselves.

You know, the ones who don't live on 4chan babbling about "thu jooz" and never accomplishing anything in life.

I have a BfA, and I never took out a single student loan.

[Anonymous No.3132331]

>>3129004
im actually at a point where im considering taking a mentorship
who should be my senpai?

[Anonymous No.3132333]

>>3129770
>>3129774
>>3132289
one is from the sea and the oher from the mountains

[Anonymous No.3132335]

>>3129050
Yes they do. The first two years is typically all about technique and media - drawing, painting, color theory, etc. The last two years is almost all conceptual.

But you'd know that if you'd actually gone to an art school.

[Anonymous No.3132336]

>>3129180
Art classes.

[Anonymous No.3132337]

>>3129733
>A lot of the masters started off in apprenticeships

No, all of them did. I can't think of any who developed on their own.

Even modern era artists gather together in "schools" to discuss art and critique each other and share ideas, like the Hudson Valley School.

Only here at 4chan do autists insist that art education is a solitary and painful experience.

[Anonymous No.3132363]

>>3132331
sycra

[Anonymous No.3132366]

>>3129004
The time has long since passed for you to be strung along and spoonfed like a retarded baby, i think its time for you to explore the process of fucking up endlessly until you stop fucking up also known as LEARNING.

[Anonymous No.3132367]

>not making your teacher andrew loomis

[Anonymous No.3133101]

>>3129115
his work ethic was better than that of an olimpic athlete, for real
saw him on THU

[Anonymous No.3133103]

>>3133101
ExplaIn how so

[Anonymous No.3133120]

>>3133103
This, I am curious. He said he was studying a lot for 2 years but nothing specific.

[Anonymous No.3133151]

>>3129004
>How the fuck can you learn without proper mentorship?
if that's impossible, who mentored the first people to draw well?

[Anonymous No.3133156]

>>3133151
Makes you think
How did we go from cave drawings to hieroglyphics to idealistic art? Sculpture perhaps?

[Anonymous No.3133199]

>>3132329
>>3132330
>claims that progressed and accomplished so much
>shit on the site they are posting right now
Why are you guys here then?

[Anonymous No.3133200]

>>3133120
Just listen to his 2 podcasts again and pay attention. He explain exactly what he did.

[Anonymous No.3133339]

>>3133199
To help people. I'm one of the few who post real critiques that aren't "read the sticky" or "Loomis". There is a distinct lack of knowledge here on getting from "fundies" to the next level, and I try to fill in the blanks - of which there are MANY - for people who are honestly trying.
I shit on this site, because it needs to be shit on. There is entirely too much autism and neckbearding in this forum, and not nearly enough critique and discussion about art. And, because I can, and I don't feel any need to justify myself.

[Anonymous No.3133647]

>>3133200
I listened to that and there wasn't anything specific

>he drew from life
>he set up a forum and a stream for motivation
>he focused on shit he can't do

Nothing really specific.

[Anonymous No.3134271]

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