Art is bullshit

[Anonymous No.3086960]

>Y-you just have to practice everyday man, it's that easy. You'll get better in no time
>Really man, alright i'll draw everyday, I think I can make it

2 years later.....

[Anonymous No.3086972]

>>3086960
You seem better at bitching than at drawing, have you practice that also everyday ?

[Anonymous No.3086977]

>>3086960
You might not have the aptitude for art, anon.

[Anonymous No.3086997]

>>3086960
Draw with passion, motivation, and inspiration. Grinding fundamentals will only get you so far.

[Anonymous No.3087085]

You were either halfassing HARD or you have a learning disability.

[Anonymous No.3087095]

>>3086997
>implying the OP pic has any fundamentals in it

[Anonymous No.3087181]

>>3086960
Don't tell me that's all you can do after two wasted years, kek. Not even beginner stuff.

[Anonymous No.3087188]

>>3086960
I like how "talent isn't real" but you see a thread about someone getting nowhere in 2 years every other day.

Really makes me think.

[Anonymous No.3087193]

>>3086960
Have you been studying from reference? It looks like you haven't.

[Anonymous No.3087199]

>>3087188

It is because they weren't studying "right", there is no true Scottsman who cannot learn to draw if he studies "smart".

>>3086960

You may want to talk about it to your legal tutor.

Shit joke aside, try your hands at the exercises in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. See if you improve after a week.

[Anonymous No.3087204]

>make a drawing every two weeks
>don't draw for months
>don't practice fundies for weeks every day
>wow, I lack natural talent

I've made bigger improvements than OP in one week because I simply drew every day.

[Anonymous No.3087205]

>>3086960
Find a new hobby and just give up.

[Anonymous No.3087214]

>>3086960
>You'll get better in no time
>no time
Not my problem they lied to you.

2 years is fucking nothing, draw more.

[Anonymous No.3087216]

So, you know how you copied diagrams of the simplified head, but didn't bother drawing the ovals correctly or making the proportions match the ones in the diagram? Next time, try that and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.3087378]

>>3087199
>It is because they weren't studying "right"
>yet there is no definitive way to study "right" that works for everyone

[Anonymous No.3087439]

I'm tired of the talent meme.

Listen pieces of shit, I started to draw for fun when I was 15, and did it as a hobby until some weeks ago when I decided to pursuit seriously.

Left is 2006, Right is today.
Both are 100% from imagination and 0 reference.

I'm 100% sure if you study and grind your fundamentals you can get this level in 4 years or less, I'm sure you can do it in one year.

Even if I was able to improve simply by drawing from imagination, once every few days whenever I felt like drawing, and I focused on drawing waifus because that's what I found fun, all during almost a decade of slow progress.

If I was able to improve to a level where I think I'm ok with myself (not really, I want to grind realism now), YOU can do it, in much less time than me.

Fuck your lazy excuses about no talent and simply WORK HARD.

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.3087450]

>>3087439
Both are trash

[Anonymous No.3087453]

>>3087450
yeah, let's ignore I never took art seriously.

[Anonymous No.3087476]

>>3086960
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Igf5O6Bfg

Here's my secret OP. In elementary school i watched this 5 times a week. I went from absolutely nothing to winning art competitions in two years. For every one eps i watched, i would practice lessons from the episode for about 4 hours. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.3087481]

>>3087476
i watched this series not just this one episode ... dont be coy

[Anonymous No.3087507]

>>3087453
That's pretty obvious, from your work.

[Anonymous No.3087546]

the people who you think are good at drawing have been practicing their whole life, why do you think 2 years is enough time for you to reach their level?

Compare your drawings with the drawings you were doing 2 years ago, if they are better, It's Working. If you havent noticed any improvement its because you either are practicing wrong or arent practicing hard enough.

Closing thoughts; Don't give up lil bitch.

[Anonymous No.3087551]

>>3086960
it's because you don't enjoy drawing

[Anonymous No.3087553]

>>3087546
Vetyr got good in 2 years as well as a shit ton of artists on DA.

[Anonymous No.3087559]

>>3087378
there is no definitive "right" way. but there are a lot of wrong ways to study; and by wrong I mean ineffective you pedantic autists

[Anonymous No.3087563]

>>3087559
Okay, spell out every wrong way of studying and find the right ways.

[Anonymous No.3087575]

>>3087559
There are a lot of artists who got good by studying the "wrong ways" and a lot of artists who still suck even though they study the "right way"

[Anonymous No.3087577]

>>3087575
Got any examples? It's easy to imagine that there is, but do you actually know any specifically?

[Anonymous No.3087578]

>>3087575
>>3087563
>I trace my favorite anime every single day, how come I'm not good yet?

[Anonymous No.3087582]

>>3087559
even the most ineffective methods should teach you SOMETHING. I was floundering around with anatomy for awhile - just shooting from the hip in the dark drawing random poses and I feel like I learned SOMETHING.

[Anonymous No.3087585]

>>3087577
http://huntergon.deviantart.com/art/The-last-one-693313429

According to her, she doesn't do studies and she doesn't study her fundamentals, she just draws from imagination all the time.

[Anonymous No.3087589]

>>3087439
new copypasta kek

[Anonymous No.3087594]

>>3087585
>Arabic

Taqiyya detected

[Anonymous No.3087635]

>>3087585
> use an obvious exception case as a general guide

You're just setting yourself up for failure because you're afraid to try. I dont see any point in trying to help someone who dont want to improve but just wants pity attention.

[Anonymous No.3087641]

>>3087635
I'm not even the OP you retard. I was just giving an example.

Also what makes her an obvious exception case?

[Anonymous No.3087646]

Can we just start agreeing and encouraging the whiners that they indeed will never make it so they can go away? I'm seriously getting fucking tired of seeing 2 of these threads every day. Yes, OP and others like you, you are not talented enough to ever make it, please quit and fuck off from /ic/.

[Anonymous No.3087651]

>>3087641
>what makes her an obvious exception case?

The fact that most people learn to draw by learning to draw, not by being savants.

[Anonymous No.3087657]

>>3087646
the only one whining here is you faggot.

[Anonymous No.3087669]

Also what if the "whiners" have a better chance because they know what's ahead of them is going to be tough? Seems like overly positive faggots are the types who bite off more than they can chew and give up two years later.

[Anonymous No.3087684]

>>3087669
Because of human history.
Whiners wallow in dramatic, self-pity and progress at a significantly slower rate. People who are self-aware about how much they suck but maintain a positive attitude, wake up the next day and practice for hours instead of spending hours shitting up boards on 4chan.

See, if you were even half-serious about becoming good you would delete this thread and go back to drawing for the next 3 months.
But i bet this thread will still be here tomorrow night.

[Anonymous No.3087715]

>>3087553
>proving points with outlier examples and vague statements

[Anonymous No.3087718]

>>3087585
>just draws from imagination all the time
did you consider the possibility she's lying

some artists are (unneededly) touchy about the fact they rely on reference

[Anonymous No.3087741]

>>3087669
Because the whiners have already given up. OP literally says art is bullshit and that he hasn't improved in 2 years. What else is there to do if you believe the reason for that is an innate lack of talent? All you have left at that point is to quit. You sure as hell aren't gonna start working harder and smarter if you yourself believe that very thing is bullshit and useless.

[Anonymous No.3088008]

>>3087684
>human history

you mean the same human history that stereotyped all artists as reclusive, depressed fucks?

>>3087741
If you're whining there's also a chance you've actually been in the trenches, have experienced some failures but still want to give art a shot. It's just this time around you realize it's not going to be like getting a gym membership.

[Anonymous No.3088020]

>>3086960
>Repeating something while not knowing what to do don't make me better
Like everything you have to learn theory then practice it.
Read about proportions, try drawing person while maintaining proportions etc.

[Anonymous No.3088028]

>>3088008
>If you're whining there's also a chance you've actually been in the trenches

There is no chance whatsoever that OP has seen a trench, let alone been in one.

[Anonymous No.3088033]

1+ of these:
- you're not really engaged
- you don't work as hard as you claim
- you're not thinking on your own
- you're not experimenting/exploring
- you need more time

The #1 thing that will drive your skill growth is working on challenging projects (where your inner autist kicks into gear and you start to care and get obsessed). You will naturally be driven to learn the fundamentals as you do that, and succeed given you use your fucking head and research+study+experiment. You don't need to construct 1000 soulless loomis heads before you can draw your first hentai monster fucking your waifu.

Explore. Venture into uncharted lands.

[Anonymous No.3088038]

>>3087439
this cannot be real

[Anonymous No.3088039]

>>3087439
obvious bait lad

[Anonymous No.3088055]

>>3086960

You pratice fundamentals, OP?
If not, you doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.3088071]

>>3088039
It's not. This guy shits up every thread where talent is brought up. This is just the first time he's posted his work but it's obvious why he won't post anything current.

[Anonymous No.3088164]

>>3088038
>>3088039
>>3088071
I'm new to the talent meme wars though.

at least I can show my work rather than being a faggot theorythician.

wanna post your work?

[Anonymous No.3088210]

>>3086960
>he drew every day for 2 years
YOU'RE LYING YOU FUCK

[Anonymous No.3088394]

>>3086960
Is it really 2 years, or 2 years of drawing every other month?

Technically I've been drawing for 7 years, but I only got serious about it less than 2 years ago. "Serious" being dedicated practice as much as I could stomach, and at least drawing every day.

[Anonymous No.3088428]

>>3086960
>I've never studied a day of perspective in my life
>Why do I still suck?
>Not fair
>Boohoohoohooohohooo....

[Anonymous No.3089566]

>>3086960
Bull fucking shit dude. You did not draw everyday for 2 years only to end up with that. My niece is in Jr High taking art classes and her art looks better than that.

[Anonymous No.3089795]

>>3086960
>He fell for the Study Meme

Anon....

[Anonymous No.3090591]

>>3088033
utter bullshit

you know if you can draw by the age of ten

[Anonymous No.3090612]

>>3086960
Dude, how blind do you have to be?

[Anonymous No.3090614]

> there are 17 year old shitters on Tumblr that have never picked up a loomis book in their life are better than 99% of /ic/
>meanwhile every week there is a thread about some homo that has been drawing for years and is still trash
>'talent doesn't exist'.

[Anonymous No.3090616]

>>3090614
Those 17 year old shitters have more experience, that's all there is to it.
>years
Undefined.

There's also no proof talent exists until work has already been put in. It however is measured by some people as IQ, but that's just performing better than your own age. It's like a year old baby drawing as good as three year old one. They're still both not great though.

[Anonymous No.3090694]

>>3088164
>"Nah I'll just sit here and talk about your work because I'm an insecure baby trying to make myself feel better."

Don't even bother.