/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.3077886]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

OLD THREAD: >>3076031

[Anonymous No.3077888]

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

[Anonymous No.3077924]

[Anonymous No.3077965]

>>3077924
How is it possible to not improve after all this time... NGMI

[Anonymous No.3077967]

As a novice if I could only buy ONE art book which would be most worth considering?

[Anonymous No.3077983]

>>3077967
there are so many of them free online. stop procrastinating, read the sticky, and just pick the one that interest you the most. there is no perfect art book that will magically make you better at drawing

[Anonymous No.3078001]

[Anonymous No.3078002]

>>3078001

[Anonymous No.3078007]

Hi guys, is there any anatomy ebooks more in the vein of the Anatomy of Style one? I enjoy how it takes a less dry approach to anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3078158]

>>3078002
terrible ref

[Anonymous No.3078162]

>three beginner threads in the catalog
>no regular draw thread

[Anonymous No.3078175]

>>3078162
and yet op gets no recognition for always making a new thread quickly. i also heard he has a huge dong and is super cool and handsome. i wish i was him

[Anonymous No.3078176]

>>3078162
Most people are /beg/ on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.3078180]

>>3077888
I like this new thing. Not OP but I'm going to anchor some references here for everyone.

[Anonymous No.3078184]

>>3077888

[Anonymous No.3078185]

>>3077888
something different

[Anonymous No.3078186]

>>3077888
last one

[Anonymous No.3078187]

>>3077967
I agree with the other anon but I find anything by barrington barber to be quite informative.

[Anonymous No.3078241]

[Anonymous No.3078296]

here you go you n/ic/e bastards. I'm a bit drunk and did this garbage without reference. Please destroy it so sober me knows what to improve. Even drunk I know I fucked up the back leg and didn't make nice line work, even have gaps in places. Tear it to shreds my brothers.

[Anonymous No.3078298]

>>3077924
Ignoring le pen0r, you're making the face way to large compared to the head. it's left arm (our right) is too large proportionally while the other is too small proportionally. Also the torso seems stretched vertically.

[Anonymous No.3078299]

>>3078296
There's nothing to talk about here, sorry. Try better next time, then it will be worth criticizing.

[Anonymous No.3078301]

>>3078001
nose should be wider by nostrils and shape of eyes is too simplified. In general you didn't add enough detail, show where shadows should be, clean up linework, there's alot of symbol drawing and it feels incomplete.

[Anonymous No.3078302]

>>3078162
If you think you're better than /beg/ you belong in /beg/ for humility sake if nothing else.

[Anonymous No.3078304]

>>3078299
fair, gonna have some more whiskey and read some shite manga I started a week ago.

[Anonymous No.3078307]

From old thread.

Any good resources for cute grills to study?

[Anonymous No.3078309]

>>3078296

Work on your lineart

[Anonymous No.3078310]

>>3078307
check /s/ for cute or you love you lose threads

[Anonymous No.3078313]

>>3078310
Why didnt i think of that. Thx anon.

[Anonymous No.3078315]

>>3078309
have any recommendations on line art with tablets? Only used this thing about a dozen of times so far and I tend to get careless and try to fix sloppy stuff later instead of fewer strokes like with paper. Tend to zoom in and obsess with it too much so far, this excluded.

>Also thank Christ for spell check, can't spell for crap right now

[Anonymous No.3078320]

>>3078313
No problem, took me a while to consider other boards good for drawing related things, pass it on for others looking is all I ask.

[Anonymous No.3078324]

>>3077888
Thanks so much man

[Anonymous No.3078325]

>>3078315
Do the same exercises you did for good lineart on paper on your tablet. Don't zoom in too much, always have a thumbnail of your overall drawing up so you can see the effect of your lines on the overall drawing and don't lose yourself in details

[Anonymous No.3078331]

>>3078325
thanks m8, gonna keep the thread open in case it 404s once I wake up, will try it later. Is it worth using layers? been ignoring them since it feels like cheating.

[Anonymous No.3078351]

I think my drawing progression has started to plateau.

I'd like to take up sculpting in an effort better understand 3d forms and branch out into another medium aside from ink and graphite.

Anyone out there know of a good youtube channel or video lecture that cover pottery, sculpting figurines of clay, etc?

[Anonymous No.3078363]

>>3078351
Shit, I purged my channels recently, Thomas Mason is good for minis, Lore chirik has a few videos, as does sculpture_geek but I'm struggling to remember the other couple of good subscriptions I had for tutorials. Might not be up your alley but ultimate papermache has some rather impressive builds using paper mache clay and the like for more details.

[Anonymous No.3078368]

>>3078363
Thanks for the quick reply. Finding a place to start is always the hardest part, ya know.

[Anonymous No.3078373]

>>3078351
>>3078363
Oh and I definitely recommend messing around with home made paper clay for larger things with more detail, super sculpey fimo and greenstuff are rather expensive, sculpey and fimo can easily warp/slump when baking so be careful once going on to that and support thin objects when baking (aluminum foil is britty gud). Though You may want to study up on Blender or start with Sculptrix before moving to blender for 3d modelling (Sculptrix is very intuitix but doesn't convert to blender files nicely. Blender Guru is great for learning though.

fuck are the ic police gonna get pissed I'm not talking bout the drawing?

[Anonymous No.3078390]

>>3078368
For starting literally wing it. find something you're interested in that you can find multiple references for from other angles. If it's smalle make an armature out of high gauge wire (~25 - 30) if lerger than a tabletop mini use aluminum wire and get the shape with aluminum foil (saves a ton of money and is used in the industry. If you want a smooth texture use a clay (if paper clay smooth with water, if polymer use isopropyl alcohol, it'll also remove fingerprints) if you want a melty or goopy texture use hot glue (look at some videos from DMscraft, Drunkens&Dragons and Miniature Mashup for techniques more geared towards D&D and tabletop games)

[Anonymous No.3078409]

>>3078390
Thank you for the excellent suggestions, anon.

[Anonymous No.3078440]

Did this hand and tried to get close to steve hustons one in the interview, added the knife and roses..how is the final version?

[Anonymous No.3078453]

>>3078440
You gonna add an image to that, pal?

[Anonymous No.3078457]

>>3078453
sry man

Did this hand and tried to get close to steve hustons one in the interview, added the knife and roses..how is the final version?

[Anonymous No.3078472]

>>3078457
The hand is very wrong, it's all fingers no palm. The wrist shows the bottom but the hand shows it's side, there's some perspective to work with and I think it's the wrist that should be rotated away from the viewer. The knife is all wiggle and the roses very flat with lines not meeting up to complete the petals.

[Anonymous No.3078495]

>>3078472
I don't think the all fingers no palm holds true here, if you look at it from the ref it's about there there. The perspective could be off but could you please redline for me what you thought was wrong please? Knife is all wiggle and you mean the line is not one smooth stroke? I learned to do it like that and it kinda stuck with me. The roses are flat you mean the solid block that is the shadows? I didn't want to complete the lines of the petals desu. Cheers man thnx for crit

[Anonymous No.3078560]

tried drawing mouth expressions

[Anonymous No.3078576]

dont draw when your horny lads haha

[Anonymous No.3078599]

Whenever I draw I'm usually looking at the page from an angle. So when I finish it and look at it head on, it's all (slightly) out of perspective. Is this a thing? Do I just learn to draw on a tilted surface or get a hunchback?

[Anonymous No.3078662]

>>3077965
what is ngmi

[Anonymous No.3078668]

>>3077023
I aged her a bit. Probably from the smaller head size. Feedback is appreciated.

[Anonymous No.3078707]

i always muck it up

[Anonymous No.3078710]

>>3078668
Good work, Anon.

[Anonymous No.3078771]

I'm not sure this is what I was supposed to do, but drawing my own things is scary

[Anonymous No.3078774]

Any tips on measuring?

[Anonymous No.3078775]

>>3078774
I know I did pretty bad there but measuring in general.

[Anonymous No.3078778]

>>3078774
loomis

[Anonymous No.3078787]

>>3078778
Which one should I start with

[Anonymous No.3078788]

crit me fugs

[Anonymous No.3078791]

>>3078710
thanks!

[Anonymous No.3078798]

>>3078774
dorian - accuracy

[Anonymous No.3078800]

>>3078788

[Anonymous No.3078806]

>>3078798
Thanks

[Anonymous No.3078808]

>>3078495
Your fingers separation extended all the way down to the palm area. In that photo you can see the fingers is actually behind the palm.

>>3078668
Nice. Keep it up!

>>3078774

dorian-iten.com

Check it out anon. It's free lesson.

[Anonymous No.3078814]

>>3078808
Last anon here, thanks for the suggestion

[Anonymous No.3078817]

>>3078576
What's the purpose of these two different sketches? Or is the left one traced?

[Anonymous No.3078822]

>>3078599

[Anonymous No.3078832]

>>3078771
The man lying on his back is pretty good. Others, not so much. Learn to feet.

[Anonymous No.3078840]

>>3078707
bottom left looks the best, mostly because it doesnt have way too many lines for no reason

[Anonymous No.3078911]

>>3078798
I checked this out and I'm starting to see that acedemic drawing is really just having the patience to measure. Are animators the only true artists? What good is training to become a human camera?

[Anonymous No.3078914]

>>3078307
that "light" is some sort of pen ?

[Anonymous No.3078916]

Any tutorials twisting the figure?

[Anonymous No.3078919]

>>3078911
>Are animators the only true artists?

so much autism...

[Anonymous No.3078925]

>>3078919
Autism is tediously copying every single line from a sketch a real artist drew in the 1800s.
I've just noticed that animators like aaron blaise, and oldman vilppu are such a clear cut above instagram photocopiers. These guys can truly draw anything they want. Even guys like robertson who know perspective inside and out are pretty cool.
I just dont want to become a proko.

[Anonymous No.3078948]

>>3078914
Uni-ball Signo UM-153 Broad Rollerball Pen - White

[Anonymous No.3078950]

Symbol drawn shit turd

[Anonymous No.3078951]

>>3078950

[Anonymous No.3078952]

>>3078800
is that it though?
appreciate the gif

[Anonymous No.3078956]

I'm curently studying from fun with a pencil at the doohinkus mannikin section, Is this a good point to start with figure drawing for all its worth? I'm not that interested in drawing scenery yet and the cartoon figures don't appeal to me that much

[Anonymous No.3078957]

>>3078925
you photocopy so you can understand the nuances of reality so you can "truly draw anything you want". You think vilppu didn't have an instagram back in 1974 for his cringey photocopies and anime fanart?

[Anonymous No.3078973]

>>3078950

Learn how to shade.

[Anonymous No.3078993]

>>3078973
I tried, its too hard

[Anonymous No.3079012]

Is it okay to start learning to draw with a tablet or is starting in paper basically a requirement?

[Anonymous No.3079020]

>>3079012
you can learn on a tablet just fine

[Anonymous No.3079023]

>>3078993
Senpai, how are you laying down the graphite? Darker shades should be layers of graphite, not pressing down.

[Anonymous No.3079024]

[Anonymous No.3079025]

>>3079024
you didn't angle her face correctly but you did a good job on her likeness compared to everyone else, good job

[Anonymous No.3079027]

>>3078952

I'm not extremely skilled but these are the mistakes I noticed. Enjoy!

[Anonymous No.3079029]

>>3078952
>>3079027
I was also the same .gif anon

[Anonymous No.3079030]

>>3079012
It's not a requirement, but you're not allowed to cry when you realize what a mistake you made.

[Anonymous No.3079038]

>>3078668

refine her nostrils, they look too small and slanted at an opposing angle that her face is actually holding.

lower eyelid is bumpy for no reason. smooth it out to keep the angle of her face looking sharp.
i'm not really sure what's going on with the right iris either, you've left a smudge that makes it look broken.

clean up her forehead so the smudges aren't obvious.

Maybe a little more definition in the hair, but that's arguably an aesthetic choice.

Overall, I like it. the use of positive and negative space is interesting, it could probably benefit from little more work tho

[Anonymous No.3079056]

second time tablet
can someone give me some advice/critique

[Anonymous No.3079059]

>>3079056
Pick up Loomis's Fun with Pencil and do the exercises in there, throw in some draw-a-box exercises too.

[Anonymous No.3079071]

This... this is the best I can do. This is me. This is my life.

[Anonymous No.3079077]

>>3079071
it's shit. stop drawing dicks for faggots like you

[Anonymous No.3079109]

>>3079071
I've seen much worse, keep it up anon. Everyone starts at the bottom

[Anonymous No.3079110]

>>3079071
Very nice work on the penis.

[Anonymous No.3079171]

>>3078778
>loomis
>copying what you see

???

[Anonymous No.3079178]

ctrl paint tutorial

[Anonymous No.3079180]

>>3078788
Two tips:

1. work harder in your sketch. this will prevent stuff like the wrong eye position and wrong meaures in general

2. use a B2 pencil to stabilish a mid-gray tone. unless this is a vampire, her skin should not be white (or paper yellow-ish). only the highlights should be white.

(although you're not symbol drawing, which is really good)

[Anonymous No.3079181]

>>3079024
>the filename
This picture was a fucking bitch to draw for me too. I think it's the right angles that make the whole thing really frustrating to draw; there aren't really good reference points to go off.

[Anonymous No.3079183]

should i be proud of these or are they shit because i used a reference?

[Anonymous No.3079185]

>>3079183

[Anonymous No.3079197]

>>3079183
be proud

[Anonymous No.3079205]

I did a shark girl for shark week

[Anonymous No.3079213]

>>3077886
When I'm going off references I really want to git gud at linework, can I concentrate on just doing lines good or do I have to stay with shaded shape puzzles to git gud?

[Anonymous No.3079218]

>>3079183
that is rad dude

[Anonymous No.3079221]

>>3079183

lots of artists use references! i wouldnt say NOBODY draws from memory, but most people draw from memory only after using a ref multiple times for the same thing. so, no, dont sell yourself short anon

[Anonymous No.3079222]

What am I doing wrong here?

[Anonymous No.3079224]

>>3079178
Godly shading anon.

[Anonymous No.3079225]

>>3079024
that is some good nose right there

[Anonymous No.3079227]

>>3079222
This shit is looking so much better.

[Anonymous No.3079229]

>>3079227
what?

[Anonymous No.3079231]

>>3079229
Just keep working on it.

[Anonymous No.3079310]

>>3078373
If you want detail, modeling wax is the best solution. It can hold an very high level of detail, can hold a large amount of weight with no armature, and can be made pliable like clay when worked with the hands, and cools to a hard form, and can be polished/carved/inscribed for texture.
There's also resin based modeling clays that are excellent for holding a high level of detail.

[Anonymous No.3079359]

[Anonymous No.3079363]

visual representation of the phrase "waning interest"

[Anonymous No.3079364]

>>3079359
is that a dog or a horse?

[Anonymous No.3079399]

It really blows my mind how people can come up with figures from imagination so quick and effortlessly.

How do I learn how to come up with poses more easily. Is it just a matter of hitting the books harder?

[Anonymous No.3079405]

Is there any point in continuing on this symbol drawn turd?

[Anonymous No.3079406]

>>3079405

[Anonymous No.3079408]

>>3079364
It's clearly a pygmy horse m8

[Anonymous No.3079409]

>>3079405
Oh look, it's the crybaby again. Your nickname can be "Turd."

[Anonymous No.3079413]

>>3079409
Whatever, just trying to improve my shit

[Popa No.3079419]

Please critique. Drew this on a plane ride a while back

[Popa No.3079420]

>>3079419
Shit sorry about the flip

[Popa No.3079421]

>>3079420
Ref

[Anonymous No.3079422]

>>3079399
do lots of figures that aren't from imagination. You'll get a feel for the flow and balance. Make sure that you do some without references as well though.

[Anonymous No.3079425]

Are there any good drawing channels on youtube that focus on mostly paper videos? Theres plenty of good art channels im subscribed to but most of them are using tablets and their computers. Its not really the same thing.

[Anonymous No.3079440]

>>3079038
Helpful feedback. Thank you!

[Anonymous No.3079445]

>>3078180
nice reference

[Anonymous No.3079450]

>>3079178
that's nice man good job. the bottom is a little blurry though

[Anonymous No.3079460]

>>3078180

[Anonymous No.3079467]

>>3079425
>Its not really the same thing.
*leans into mic*
*whispers*
WROOONG

[Anonymous No.3079478]

>>3078180

[Anonymous No.3079492]

>>3079012
You can but it'll be different. I'd suggest knowing how to draw on paper first because you'll be struggling to learn to draw and struggling to learn the nuances of a program and tablet features all at once otherwise. My work became considerably worse when switching to a tablet and I'm still trying to get the hang of it fully to be on the level I was with just paper.

[Anonymous No.3079493]

>>3079012
Ctrl+Z, the warp tool and moving parts around can be a crutch if you use it too much. Paper helps you build line confidence and efficiency a lot faster, especially if you're doing everything in pen.

[Anonymous No.3079505]

>>3076060
day 4
couldnt quite get her expression. values and proportion still need work

[Anonymous No.3079535]

>>3079027
>>3079180
thanks for all the advice /ic/-chan

[Anonymous No.3079539]

Where to go from here and how do I achieve clean edges?

[Anonymous No.3079541]

rate my gesture.

[Anonymous No.3079547]

>>3079505
Neck is weird. Nose is too long. Both these things usually stem from drawingstylised stuff like anime. I suggest you use some or all of the techniques in this (http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/).).

[Anonymous No.3079553]

first shit I try to render digitally.

advice?

I started by zooming out and blocking in, then gradually zooming in and adding detail.

[Anonymous No.3079571]

>>3079478

[Anonymous No.3079577]

>>3079553
Need to incoporate a hard edged brush in there somewhere. The whole thing looks out of focus and blends in to the area around it.

[Anonymous No.3079589]

>>3079505
you should focus more on your contours rather than the shading

[Anonymous No.3079611]

>>3079405
if you know its symbol drawn why dont u fix it?

[Anonymous No.3079613]

my first gif

[Anonymous No.3079637]

>>3079611
He has problems, don't bother with him.

[Anonymous No.3079646]

>>3079611
What >>3079637 said

That guy has been given advice time and time again, only for him to ignore it and continue whining

[Anonymous No.3079648]

>>3079613
low effort

[Anonymous No.3079656]

>>3079646
the advice was just
"read the infograph again"
I did that
"shade another simple object"
I did that

Sorry but I'm just trying to improve.

[Anonymous No.3079658]

Guys, I'm doing it

[Anonymous No.3079659]

>>3079656
I'm actually beginning to think this is some kind of elaborate bait to get a bunch of (you)s from people who are actually trying to be helpful.

Doing an exercise once doesn't mean you mastered it.

[Anonymous No.3079675]

>>3078948
>Uni-ball Signo UM-153 Broad Rollerball Pen
thanks

[Anonymous No.3079716]

>>3079658
I did it

[Anonymous No.3079728]

>>3079716
Now you just need to make your lines cleaner anon and feel the form more naturally anon.

[Anonymous No.3079740]

>>3079023
Holy shit, why has no one told me this before?

[Anonymous No.3079748]

Started drawing every WWE guy a while back, finally continued. also doing eye studies atm, still having a fuckton of problems with them

[Anonymous No.3079757]

>>3079740
It's a small thing that's usually overlooked

[Anonymous No.3079763]

>>3079748
wtf is this technique? is this the new bait style?

[Anonymous No.3079764]

>>3079757
also not actually true, you have to push down sometimes too lol

[Anonymous No.3079765]

>>3079763
w-what do you mean senpai?
its not bait
im legit that bad

[Anonymous No.3079767]

>>3079748
vilppu has great lessons on head constructions if you can obtain them. eyes are easier when you understand the planes and bones of the brow. the glabella is a game changer

[Anonymous No.3079768]

>>3079765
your technique doesnt even approximate properly. I mean besides from the usualy advice im going to say dont rush it. none of the hair is drawn with the same level of details. im the second one you did some shading under the lip but no where else? why.

Focus on 3d, look at the seconds brows. they dont appear to protrude at all. the ears also too low, look at its height relation to the mouth.

With the pupils dont centre them, theyre clearly looking in a different direction. The first one doesnt even have pupils drawn properly.

[Anonymous No.3079775]

>>3079767
vilppu... should i follow him? some people say hes shit

[Anonymous No.3079833]

>>3077886
posting some refs

[Anonymous No.3079835]

>>3079833

[Anonymous No.3079837]

>>3078774
I redid it after looking at Dorian's Accuracy guide, only problem is that I fixed the lines ontop of the ref so much that it feels traced.

Should I be doing that? Or should I fix the lines off of the pic?

[Anonymous No.3079838]

>>3079835

[Anonymous No.3079839]

>>3079838

[Anonymous No.3079849]

need critique for body, also, if anyone knows good tutorial about cloth pls help

[Anonymous No.3079876]

>>3079837
>it feels traced
No it is fine to do that. Academic drawing IS glorified tracing.
Your goal with these studies is to improve your perception skills, and the best way to see how close you are is it pull your drawing over the ref. Outright tracing is only a nono if you were trying to put these studies in your portfolio, or trying to pass this off as your own work. For example you'd have to credit the photography for your drawing.

[Anonymous No.3079879]

I've been trying to stylize a bit and get more confident in my lines,
So I go straight to ink and do no construction while doing expressive art.
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.3079884]

how the hell do I color this.

[Anonymous No.3079886]

>>3079884
paintbucket

[Anonymous No.3079888]

>>3079876
Alright, thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.3079897]

>>3079849
remember to resize, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIO4ODhm0tc&ab_channel=SinixDesign

[Anonymous No.3079904]

>>3079879
Generic, too stylized to criticize anything in particular

[Anonymous No.3079910]

Im about 20 pages into Fun with a Pencil. Till now I had been drawing from my imagination unless he explicitly says to copy. Is that what I should be doing or should I stick to just copying for now?

[Anonymous No.3079914]

>>3079884
like this

[Anonymous No.3079915]

>>3079910
jewmis means stop drawing fat jews

[Anonymous No.3079917]

>>3079910
Yeah, make 'em up, feel the form, mind the shape, grasp the volume, heed the space

[Anonymous No.3079920]

>>3079914
holy shit, how did you do that?

[Anonymous No.3079924]

Just started Hampton's figure drawing book, am I on the right track? Any colossal mistakes?

[Anonymous No.3079948]

>>3079914
anon-kun, isn't that just the auto-color tool?

[Anonymous No.3080083]

>>3079924

Good!

[Anonymous No.3080091]

>>3079835

Thanks for this anon!

[Anonymous No.3080120]

How's my still life looking mates, im doing my final for school, these leaves aren't easy to draw at all. I have to transfer it to gray tone paper next and shade.

[Anonymous No.3080126]

>>3080120

It was hard to keep the grids exact since my squares are about twice as large and you cant just go making all the leaves twice as large either.

[Anonymous No.3080132]

>>3080120
use geometrical shapes to draw. dont just use outlines. try to see everything in 3d forms.

[Anonymous No.3080141]

>>3080132

oh sure, if i was drawing the vase in front of me i'd start with a cylinder or something maybe, for my final i have to pretty much make it accurate 1 to 1 so it's not exactly tracing but there's no point (i don't think) in building the vase from shapes.

[Anonymous No.3080142]

Could somebody please give any tips or post any tutorials on shading? It doesn't matter if it's digital or traditional, i just want to understand the process better (start with darkest areas, then the light ones, ...)

[Anonymous No.3080149]

>>3080142
Ctrl+Paint

[Anonymous No.3080154]

>>3080141
>not exactly tracing

Grid method is pretty much tracing.

[Anonymous No.3080157]

>>3080154

hah yes you're right, i think the final is more for us to put an emphasis on the charcoal process really. It does require some amount of hand steadiness to get the right lines, and the leaves on this one were awful to draw, i've always struggled with leaves.

[Anonymous No.3080158]

I'm wondering if has or knows of a resource kind of like pic related where the skeleton is overlayed(redlined?) on an anatomically correct body.

I've been studying hips/waist and i'm struggling to find images that give me a good sense of how the underlying bones contribute to the forms

[Anonymous No.3080206]

Finally tried drawing with shoulders and it feels....odd. are ellipses supposed to look this messy?

[Anonymous No.3080238]

>>3079849
Does anyone know how to avoid that messy look that you get when you just use the hard round brush?

[Anonymous No.3080258]

How am I doing? Is this cute?
P-please bully gently.

[Anonymous No.3080261]

How long have you anons been posting in these /beg/ threads?

[Anonymous No.3080276]

>>3080158
Zygote Body has a 3d version of that where you can flip on muscles/bones/skin as you want. Not sure how accurate the forms are but it's nice as a reminder of attachment points etc

[Anonymous No.3080327]

>>3080206
just keep practicing they'll get bettter.

[Anonymous No.3080335]

>>3080258
grid paper?

[Anonymous No.3080340]

Anyone got any good sources for drawing curves in 3-D space? Exercises and stuff that is. Unless drawabox covers that at some point.

[Anonymous No.3080357]

>>3080335
It's the only kind of paper I have.

[Anonymous No.3080363]

>>3079849
Study anatomy, learn what you're rendering rather than guessing.

>>3080238
Simplify your shapes before you add detail. See the larger shape and apply value broadly to keep the painting clean.

[Anonymous No.3080371]

>>3080158
>>3080276
Anatomy is best learned in labs where you look at human cadavers and attempt to move them and tutors come around to tell you what part of the cadaver you are poking at.

(((There are a tone of anatomy apps like Essential Anatomy 5 which is popular amongst med students but TheAnatomyZone on youtube is entirely free https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAnatomyZone/videos and uses those 3D apps. I think it's a lot more detail than an artist needs to know.)))
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Still, the NUMBER 1 source of anatomy images is Google Images.
Surface Anatomy - if you are looking for anatomical landmarks underneath the skin.
www.getbodysmart.com which I used a bit in my undergrad is very simple and clear

The NUMBER 2 source of anatomy is Netter's Atlas of Human Anatomy 6th Edition (download this off libgen). These are medically accurate rendered illustrations with labels. However again, it is in a lot of detail so only focus on large muscles like the biceps, triceps, deltoids etc YOU WILL NOT NEED TO KNOW SMALL MUSCLES.

If you come to something like the palm muscles of the hand you will notice that there are multiple layers. You only really need the superficial layers (that is, the layer most close to the skin)
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For my undergrad, I mostly used Anatomedia (A general rule of thumb with academic e-resources is that no matter what discipline you are doing you should be able to access every other disciplines, so if you are a student and your institution has a subscription you should definitely be able to access it no matter what subject you are from). This basically goes over the highest yield points of anatomy in terms of what does what and the most prominent bony landmarks and you can virtually dissect specimens and stuff. It's pretty cool if not laggy.

[Anonymous No.3080381]

Between 2D and 3D what would be easier/faster to get into a career in?

And does a good 3D artist need to be good with 2D?

[Anonymous No.3080391]

critiques before I move on?

[Anonymous No.3080403]

>>3080381
>Between 2D and 3D what would be easier/faster to get into a career in?
3D. There are more mainstream jobs for it in multiple fields, especially with 3D printing.

>And does a good 3D artist need to be good with 2D?

It definitely helps. Beyond drawing, a 3D artist often has to build scenes, and the same principles apply - lighting, color, rendering, composition. A solid foundation in 2D cannot hurt you. You don't have to be master level, but you should have the fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.3080414]

>>3080391
I'd consider making the broom a bit thicker in the middle, seems a bit uncomfortable to sit on. Upper witch's right hand's thumb looks a bit like a sausage also

I can see beginnings of a nice loose style of lineart so I think you should force yourself to draw as clean and confident lines as possible, could probably turn out great

[Anonymous No.3080423]

>>3078560
Not a critique, just impressed by this. How'd you do this exactly?

[Anonymous No.3080428]

>>3080126

>tfw extremely hard to render these shadows properly

I would've gone with something else if I knew the difficulty.

[Anonymous No.3080429]

>>3080391
looks very traced, if it is not thought, they are both missing a leg.

[Anonymous No.3080485]

>>3080423
render?

[Anonymous No.3080542]

Is there a good place where I can grab any video lessons by Micheal Hampton? From the Two Videos I could find on Youtube I found that I really liked his teaching style.

[Anonymous No.3080548]

>>3078950
can you use a trip code so we don't have to see your posts??

[Anonymous No.3080554]

SERIUSLY whats wrong with me i just dont get how to study poses i just copy and copy and CANNOT GET IT. is there a trick to it, is there a specific way to understand figure??

[Anonymous No.3080572]

tell me how bad i am

[Anonymous No.3080573]

>>3080572

[Anonymous No.3080575]

>>3080548
put "turd" in your filter

[Anonymous No.3080576]

>>3080573

[Anonymous No.3080586]

>>3080391

[Anonymous No.3080591]

Having trouble with this mastercopy- crits?

[Anonymous No.3080592]

>>3080586
anti aliasing

[Anonymous No.3080596]

>>3079838
quick study

[Anonymous No.3080603]

>>3080576

[Anonymous No.3080604]

>>3080603

[Anonymous No.3080621]

Is it cheating if I draw the outline of the face, then trace the ref and compare my outline to the trace and fix it accordingly?

[Anonymous No.3080640]

>>3080621
it's fine

[Anonymous No.3080646]

>>3080640
Cool thanks

[Anonymous No.3080790]

>>3080591
What kind of trouble? You fucking have them side by side, you switched the original into black and white, it's literally just copying what you see at this point. The hand and the head are too big, but I'm sure you see it. Also, the point of this study in the Noah Bradley's video was to draw a readable b&w thumbnail to study composition. You can do it in full size to study values I guess, but 1) the details aren't that important then, 2) you shouldn't turn the original into black and white, 3) why not do it in color?

[Anonymous No.3080791]

so how does this work. im content with how it looks at 1000k longest edge but the orignal file size is something like almost 5k x 3k. and at that size it looks like complete shit. when do i stop? also its resolution is set at 300 dpi so i get a real life canvas of wow 16 x 9 fucking inches

[Anonymous No.3080829]

first attempt at painting without colour, I didn't use a reference, but the values are fucked right?

[Anonymous No.3080844]

>>3080829
i think youve got talent

[Anonymous No.3080873]

Practising tonal bar from keys to drawing

[Anonymous No.3080875]

First time using charcoal. Didn't expect it to come out all that great, but hey I tried.

[Anonymous No.3080888]

What am i doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.3080903]

R8 MY BLOCC IN

[Anonymous No.3080904]

>>3080903
jesus christ that thumbnail. im bad

[Anonymous No.3080906]

>>3080888

[Anonymous No.3080908]

>>3079884
Tried my best at coloring, anyone got tips?

[Anonymous No.3080920]

>>3080908
more. more cheek more lighting.

[Anonymous No.3080931]

>>3080908
Fix her left cheek and eye.

[Anonymous No.3080937]

>>3080903
You're doing too much with the blocking in. Keep it simple, and yeah, make the thumbnail look good. Zoom out, block in the most prominent shapes with just like three values, then zoom in and start adding details and blending.

[Anonymous No.3080940]

>>3080937
*then zoom out

[Anonymous No.3080942]

>>3080937
Ok thank you. I had a feeling I was getting carried away.

[Anonymous No.3080970]

>>3080937
i think if it's convenient you should step away from the monitor instead of zooming out, it seems like the same thing, but you don't lose any data if you step away and your eye puts things together in a different way if it's big and far away compared to small and close.

it's not a huge deal though

[Anonymous No.3080987]

>drawing from pictures
>not drawing from real life

[Anonymous No.3081003]

>>3080423
i just built up my values until they looked right mostly

[Anonymous No.3081045]

>>3080987
He says drawing on his computer from pictures

[Filipino Rapebaby No.3081049]

Should I sharpen my pencil using 80 grit sandpaper? Also crit

[Anonymous No.3081059]

>>3080154
not really, it's like a step up from tracing since you need to free hand the stuff in the individual boxes. Really good for introducing someone to drawing more complicated things if they don't have experience.

[Anonymous No.3081062]

>>3080572
5/10 the shapes don't seem right for 3d objects and the thickness of all the cylinders vary like crazy.

[Anonymous No.3081065]

>>3080621
Not a bad starting point but don't get used to just the outline, make sure when you draw you're working on constructing the head then compare the outline.

[Anonymous No.3081067]

>>3080888
>What am i doing wrong?
Well for starters I would say stop being an incorporeal demon that enter the dreams of children to make monstrous nightmares to feed off of their fears.

[Anonymous No.3081071]

>>3080908
Her left cheek and brow extend further than the reference. As to colouring, more pinks/reds should be in the skin tone on the right cheek and her top left of the forehead. Add lighter highlights to the jawline and neck. Also the hair highlights you did make it seem like there's a separate light source above her which conflicts with the highlights on the lower planes of her nose and upper lip.

[Anonymous No.3081109]

I was not prepared for that jump in difficulty

[Anonymous No.3081211]

[Anonymous No.3081265]

Why is drawing from shoulder so uncomfortable? Is this how artists get good? By drawing in the most strainous way possible? This is not bait. I need serious answers

[Anonymous No.3081268]

>>3081265
Drawing from the wrist gives you the precision of fine wrist movements, drawing the shoulder the swing and range of shoulder movements
Combine the two, turn your whole arm into an extension of your body, become a snake, don't forget to include your elbow in the party

[Anonymous No.3081271]

>>3081268
What if I don't have elbows

[Anonymous No.3081352]

>>3081271
ngmi

[Anonymous No.3081379]

>tfw get a C on midterm in figure drawing class

I'm not a gradefag but it's hard to have a letter put to how much you struggle with drawing bodies.

[Anonymous No.3081384]

>>3081379
true art classes should really be pass fail, with rewards for being good like teachers recommending you for competitions and stuff

[Anonymous No.3081385]

>>3079838

[Anonymous No.3081386]

>>3081109
from what book is this exercise?

[Anonymous No.3081393]

>>3081386
Figure drawing for all it's worth

[Anonymous No.3081405]

>>3081393
Page 31? I wasn't sure if I needed to do those at that moment of if they were for later on, also could you help me with this >>3080617? Maybe I'm stupid but I didn't understood the divisions he made at page 31 and 32, last question sorry, do you measure the mannikin each time you made a "figure action" (page 38 and on)?

[Anonymous No.3081406]

>>3079924
Second day of figure drawing, am I getting those gains? Still I can't really grasp the feeling of form

[Anonymous No.3081407]

>>3081385
ground your ref and measure

[Anonymous No.3081417]

>>3081385
you made him look 10 years older and evil

[Anonymous No.3081424]

>>3081406
Looking great anon. Keep it up

[Anonymous No.3081430]

Trying to get better at action scenes.
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.3081433]

>>3081430
quickposes has combat poses, theyll give you a better sense

after that you can fuck with drastic perspectives

[Anonymous No.3081440]

>>3081433
Oh sweet, how have I gone this long without knowing about this website. Thanks for the info. :0

[Anonymous No.3081456]

>>3081405
Page 48, he revisits the quick set up with foreshortening

Yeah, you can view it as the bottom half being halved again and the top half being split into thirds. He introduces a lot of rough height landmarks, like nipples at 2/3 of the overall figure, but I wouldn't get too caught up on them. Don't shy away from placing things slightly differently even if it's clearly outside its "designated" spot; sometimes you get some awkward perspectives or shifts in your figures, but nothing wrong with rolling with them

I sort of sketch the recommended landmarks in advance, just single lines, and then try to work towards them I guess, but as you can see I redraw lines enough for my whole page to get smudged up (although not as visible on the image), so who knows whether you should go about it like me. Although what I do recommend is at least marking the foot level, so you know what height you're working with.

[Anonymous No.3081479]

>>3081430
read micheal hampton gesture book, it's really helping me learn form and gesture

[Anonymous No.3081481]

>>3081049

sharpen your drawing skill by drawing from life.

[Anonymous No.3081482]

>>3081456
Thank you anon

[Anonymous No.3081485]

>>3080572

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUM3SHNCfpM

[Anonymous No.3081491]

>>3081424
Thanks dude

[Anonymous No.3081507]

>>3081406
That's some sick difference compared to yesterday dude, good enough to make me dislike you, fuck off shithead

[Anonymous No.3081516]

My attempt at manga style lineart. I know jack shit about lighting or the human figure so these are the proportions I came up with. It's always disturbing just how good the guys in the alternative art/non-beginner generals are.

Critiques would be appreciated. Done with mouse.

[Anonymous No.3081540]

What do you think, anons?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEI0PlYKukI

[Anonymous No.3081565]

>>3081540
looks cool!

[Anonymous No.3081571]

>>3081540
Actually impressed, kinda want to see what you'd be able to make with those animation skills once your drawing skills catch up

That head turn though.

[Anonymous No.3081581]

>>3081571
Haha, yeah. You will be really embarassed, if I'd tell you how much time i spent on this cardboardish turn.

[Anonymous No.3081587]

>>3079837

[Anonymous No.3081593]

>>3081507
Just DO IT man, Hampton is really good

[Anonymous No.3081598]

So, I started to study pictures/paintings and often I end up continuing further without the ref, is this a decent exercise? I feel like its sorta like copying, but at the same time I enjoy doing it.

pic is an example

[Anonymous No.3081599]

>>3081598
ref

[Anonymous No.3081602]

>>3081540
this is really good anon

[Anonymous No.3081639]

>>3081598

The whole point is not copying but learning. That's why it's called study. Analyze the face planes, form , anatomy and lighting. Going further on your own with limited knowledge is pointless.

If you want to do that do it on a completely new drawing from imagination. Doing that will tell you what you DON'T know right away. Like a wake up slap.

[Anonymous No.3081642]

>>3081406

Really get the gesture down first before moving on. If you can, download Michael Hampton video lesson from CGP. It's much clearer with him explaining every steps.

Week 1 is all about gesture.

[Anonymous No.3081678]

Try this one, I want to see how good you guys are, I suck...

[Anonymous No.3081684]

>>3081642
All right, will do

[Anonymous No.3081686]

[Anonymous No.3081706]

How do I draw good circles

[Anonymous No.3081736]

>>3081639
Yeah, I try to do the analyze part, but I also enjoy the whole refining process.

I guess i just need to man up and try things out of the comfort zone, like imagination drawings.

Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.3081746]

Do you think is better to study only one subject per day (perspective, anatomy, drawing for life, etc) or to have them mixed?

[Anonymous No.3081750]

>>3081746
it doesnt matter

draw

[Anonymous No.3081758]

Stop telling me to think in terms of the solid, Andrew, I'm trying

[Anonymous No.3081824]

[Anonymous No.3081878]

Need to take a break from studies. Decide to do some random shit. Somehow I end up with this. Don't even know if it's a cat or a dog...

[Anonymous No.3081892]

Gimme them critiques

[Anonymous No.3081897]

>>3077886
>3 hours in and I'm not even 1/4th of the way done with a face study

Fucking humans are so complicated.

On the bright side the more I look at the face and head shape the more bumps and dips and stuff start to make sense

[Anonymous No.3081939]

>>3080888
You're drawing content that's way above your skill level.

[Anonymous No.3081944]

>>3080908
I'd try a better source, that one is washed out.

Go watch oil painting portrait videos on Youtube, and watch how they approach color, and use it. That's the best reference, honestly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA0_w3gi03w

[Anonymous No.3081957]

>>3081265
Drawing from the shoulder is one way to draw. It has it's time and place. Large drawings, on easels is usually when it's applicable. You can also draw from the elbow, and from the wrist ad fingers, for smaller areas and detail. If your shoulder hurts, stop. You can mess your shoulder up that way. And yes, you have to build up muscles to work that way for an extended time - my first figure drawing class, my arm would be wrecked after. By the end of the semester, I could go for hours.

[Anonymous No.3081958]

>>3081706
With the circle tool in your app, or a compass.

You can practice freehanding them, by drawing a box, and drawing one inside it, but it's not that crucial to freehand.

[Anonymous No.3081991]

>>3079884
I found a better video. Watch this. It's one of the better digital portrait videos I've found. Watch how he uses cool and warm colors, and especially watch how he does the hair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHZg4ECWhY

[Anonymous No.3082018]

>>3081485
this actually help a lot.
thanks

[Anonymous No.3082021]

>>3078180
which leg is bearing the weight more? Can't seem to tell for some reason.
>>3081892
Is he wearing eye-liner? watch the thick line on the lower lid.
>>3081878
I don't know if you'e seen the live action scooby-doo movie from 2003 but this puts me in mind of it lol.
>>3081758
looks p good

[Anonymous No.3082034]

>>3082030
>>3082030
>>3082030

>>3082030
>>3082030
>>3082030

>>3082030
>>3082030
>>3082030

[Anonymous No.3083229]

All right here goes something I started this morning and left alone for the day. I just did some fine retouching but I guess I'm terrible at this.

[Anonymous No.3083296]

>>3083229
Try the newer thread at >>3082030