/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.3025213]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

OLD THREAD: >>3023324

[Anonymous No.3025214]

[Anonymous No.3025216]

[Anonymous No.3025218]

[Anonymous No.3025219]

[Anonymous No.3025220]

[Anonymous No.3025221]

[Anonymous No.3025229]

how do i render smaller forms? (hands and feet)

[Anonymous No.3025241]

how i can draw girls with dicks better /ic/?

[Anonymous No.3025243]

>>3025241
Fix your proportions. Learn better rendering. Learn more appealing design for the face and other things.

[Anonymous No.3025247]

Getting closer, but still miles off. Aside from the obvious shrunken mass of hair, too much of the right side of his face is visible and his left eye is too small.

[Finlay !!rEkSWzi2+mz No.3025249]

I'm going to repost, just once. I promise to not take up another post in this thread unless I may.

I'm just looking to find out what's wrong with it. There are a lot of things, but I can't tell what

[Anonymous No.3025250]

>>3025247
both eyes are too small and at the wrong place
also the right side of the face, that one line should bend a little differently and lacks the shading to highlight the skull/cheek's shape more

[Anonymous No.3025251]

>>3025243
yeah sure i can check those out during next week and slowly apply changes to get away from current style
what id want to eventually evolve into is the kind of shit drakon rekka does

[Anonymous No.3025252]

>>3025247
are you using a conte stick? use vine instead.
also look at the left side of his cheek it looks good because of gradations of value and the line defining it is one of the brightest points not a black line. try toning down your paper then working with an eraser for the lights and a piece of charcoal for the darks.

also make the eyes bigger. try to do a really loose and light sketch first to put everything in the right place then work in the detail.

[Anonymous No.3025253]

>>3025249
eyes are to high up neck should be very slightly thinner that adams apple is fucked

[Anonymous No.3025255]

Me and a friend are doing draw a box and are on the animal lesson. Can we get critiques?

[Anonymous No.3025256]

>>3025255

Here's the first animal, we both did Stags.

[Anonymous No.3025257]

Is there a chance for me to make it one day ?

[Anonymous No.3025259]

>>3025256
>>3025256

whoops wrong pic but heres the stag

[Anonymous No.3025261]

>>3025255
>>3025256
>>3025259
and heres the stag i did, the tiger is my friends

[Anonymous No.3025262]

>>3025229
Assuming your document is at a usable resolution, squint/ unfocus your eyes at the hand to get the largest shapes you see. If you are seeing more and 2 or 3 major shapes, squint harder. Then the next largest, and so on. Big to small. If you know how to paint your primary forms (boxes, cylinders, spheres) you are already well on your way.

It's important to combine your knowledge of anatomy; balance what you see and what you know. That way you aren't a slave to the reference, and eventually have more freedom to dabble in design. (Don't take that as a knock against using ref, keep using ref)

TL;DR Big to small.

[Finlay !!rEkSWzi2+mz No.3025263]

>>3025253
Oh right, I see it now. Nothing about the ears though?
Thank you; I won't necessarily change it but something to bear in mind the next time I'm drawing a human

[Anonymous No.3025264]

>>3025259
>>3025261
the reference pic we both used

[Anonymous No.3025265]

>>3025250
By "that one line" I assume you mean this one?

>>3025252
I'm just using regular HB leads, thinking of going out and grabbing a 4B pencil or something. My scanner likes to eat most of the nuances leaving only bright grays or pitch blacks with barely anything inbetween, the right side was originally a bit more shaded.

Definitely going to try the toning + eraser thing next time.

[Anonymous No.3025266]

How the fuck do you expect me to learn all this fucking anatomy when there's fucking hundreds of bones and muscles and thousands of ways each of them can move?
Like there's no fucking way I'm remembering how the fucking deltoid anterior fibers and the clavicle interact with each other when you're scratching your ass.

[Anonymous No.3025267]

11 years of practice and I'm still not skilled enough to leave /beg/

[Anonymous No.3025269]

>>3025255

Im still struggling with the Draw a box animal lesson, here s horse I did

[Anonymous No.3025270]

>>3025265
yeah
and the shading where I drew the two lines, so that it gains depth, and doesn't look so two dimensional
but careful, only a little

[Anonymous No.3025272]

Sorry about the quality. What needs work?

[Anonymous No.3025275]

>>3025219

I NEED TIPS

TIPS FOR LIPS

[Anonymous No.3025277]

>>3025275
Those are some nice lips, good job.

[Anonymous No.3025278]

>>3025251
Holy shit that some nasty ass abs and what the fuck is that hand.

[Anonymous No.3025281]

>>3025266
Depends how deep in anatomy you want to get. After a decent amount of mileage though, be surprised how much of that detail becomes second nature.

>>3025267
Hyperbolic I'm sure. Look up deliberate practice techniques. They may only account for -20% of ability, but they are still important.

>>3025272
Would keep working on perspective. Try using cross contours and more overlapping forms for a while to help pop out the otherwise flat symbols. Not bad on the line quality though.

[Anonymous No.3025282]

>>3025241
>.01/10

[Anonymous No.3025283]

how do i stop fucking procrastinating

[Anonymous No.3025285]

>>3025266
You have all of your lifetime to learn it, it's alright. Doctors learn that shit within like a year.

[Anonymous No.3025286]

>>3025283
do something besides procrastinate... starting now.

[Anonymous No.3025292]

>>3025283
set your alarm clock to 7am, go to bed at 11pm tonight. when you wake up, immediately take a shower, eat breakfast or whatever is your usual routine and once you're done, just fucking draw. no unnecessary electronic devices or other distractions until you've spent some substantial time and effort on drawing.

[Anonymous No.3025308]

>>3025283

Pic related really helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZoVqGEe3Zs

I can now manage to do 10 hours a day now because of it. 16 hours a day when not working a dead end crappy IT Job.

Been doing this for six months. Really depressed through.

Would recommend drawabox and Scott Robertson books.

[Anonymous No.3025310]

>>3025308
Mind posting your work? Curious as to where you are after six months of drawing so much.

[Anonymous No.3025313]

>>3025308
how the fuck do you work and do 10 hours in one day

[Anonymous No.3025314]

>>3025308
>>3025310
I wonder too

>tfw can't get through Robetrson's book and would rather draw from imagination as much as possible

[Anonymous No.3025323]

>>3025275
Just have to hammer in more contrast. Bring in cast shadow, and get a highlight on the highest planes relative to hour light source. Still looking good though.

>>3025283
Identify the source. No, stop rolling your eyes and listen gaylord; you want to get over this or not? Right. Now then. Really ask yourself why, and when you come up with an answer, ask why that's the case.Then analyze and pose solutions to those answers. Some say 5 whys, but different for each person.

Example
I procrastinate. Why?
I'd rather fap/ game. Why?
Because I'm avoiding work. Why?
Because all my work looks like shit. Why?
Because I fap instead of working.
//Hitting a loop is normal, but there's almost always something else at work you've not considered//
Analyzing...ah yes! The Self-Fuckery Cycle
Overly self-critical -> Avoidance - > Cope Fapping/ Video Games/ Youtube Loop/ etc

How to fix? Focus on the process of improvement. Find how to enjoy the daily routines involved in leveling up. Forget about making pretty things to post, that's an ego trap that will fuck you up more often than not. If you can't find genuine pleasure in the practice of drawing daily, this may not be for you.

Now it's your turn, but don't post your answer. This is a personal conversation you need to have with yourself. Also none of us care all that much.

[Anonymous No.3025335]

fuuuuark

[Anonymous No.3025336]

>>3025323
I procrastinate because I know I am not going to improve anyway, no matter what I do, and this comes from someone who has drawn almost every single day in the past. I cant do it now anymore, im still in the /beg/ thread and my drawings are awful, I am not improving so any motivation is just gone. Procrastinating is so easy for me now because I know if im gonna put effort into practicing im not going to improve anyway.

[Anonymous No.3025338]

>>3025336
That's stupid and completely illogical, because you can always improve and you improve every single time you draw as long as it's not the exact same thing. You're eyes probably just suck or you're convincing yourself you aren't improving so you can quit like a pathetic faggot. Study up on the fundamentals again, it's impossible to not improve unless you're not trying. If you don't want to, then just quit and leave. You'll live a happier life.

[Anonymous No.3025354]

>>3025282
well i havent drawn shit in half years coz ive been doin music that all time, ofc it looks bad
i never said im a pro i just did free requests tonight and asked for opinions from you so that i can do better next time

[Anonymous No.3025373]

>>3024482
Face is too long. Eyes too high and too wide. Face is roughly 4 eyes wide as a basic rule of thumb

[Anonymous No.3025380]

>>3025249
Face is too long. Eyes too high and too wide. Face is about 4 eyes wide as a basic rule of thumb.

[Anonymous No.3025401]

>>3025336
Okay anon, let's take a look at this from a different point of view.

Anyone who has done the journey of art progression wanted art skills so much that they felt like they had no choice but to go through the grind even if there was a possibility that they would never improve.

So how much do you want art skills? From what you're saying, your fear of failing is overriding your desire to get good. You desire to avoid facing failure more than you desire art skills. It's as simple as that. So all you have to do is ask yourself what do you want and how much do you want it. If you want to improve, practice. If not, you will never improve.

Improvement isn't an accident or by chance. Your mindset is that if you practice you will somehow magically gain levels. You're upset because it's not happening. It will never happen like that. That's not how practice works.

Practice is deliberate every step of the way. You learn how to improve, how to do it better. Skill is something you build, step by step. You draw something, you study what needs work and how to do it better, then you apply. You are doing each step, solving each problem, moving on to the next level.

If you practice in this way, there is no reason why you should not improve. There is no reason why you can't learn how to do something if you're applying yourself. Drawing is a skill like anything else. You've learned many other skills in your life haven't you? There are probably some things you are an expert at. So how is learning to draw any different? If you want it enough, you can deliberately practice and improve one step at a time no matter what.

[Anonymous No.3025407]

>>3025336
Thats not true.

Thats why I make sure to never comepletely erase my canvas and just hide layers so I can look back and see my improvement.

[Anonymous No.3025421]

When should I start drawing from imagination?

[Anonymous No.3025422]

[Anonymous No.3025423]

>>3025421
Whenever you aren't studying. It's useful to apply your studies to imagination or else you'll have trouble connecting them later on as well.

[Anonymous No.3025426]

>>3025272
work on your lines. They seem to mostly be the same weight, lack any dynamics etc. If you're not shading and therefore use outlines, you need dynamic line weight

[NoseBro No.3025446]

>>3025272

[NoseBro No.3025457]

>>3025335

[NoseBro No.3025459]

>>3025457
didnt write clearly enough, so:
closer to middle
symmetry: both lips arent sem height
eyebrows need to touch the profile
the nasolabial line start from THE NASO ( nose)
and neck usually has a bit of tilt.

[Anonymous No.3025461]

>>3025457
thanks i waited that advice.

[Anonymous No.3025470]

[NoseBro No.3025484]

>>3025470
fuck off out of beg come on.

[Anonymous No.3025486]

>>3025484
I think it's supposed to be stylized bangs

[Anonymous No.3025488]

>>3025486
Nah, it was an ear
t. drawer of that pic

[Anonymous No.3025490]

>try drawing a figure from imagination
>realize i shattered its spine a few minutes later
wew lad im in for a long grind

[NoseBro No.3025496]

>>3025488
ok now go to the alt thread.

[Anonymous No.3025514]

how do i stop chicken scratching
i try to make one confident stroke but i always feel the need to go over it a couple of times

[Anonymous No.3025516]

>>3025514
How did you manage to craft a style out of it? What the fuck? Keep at it Ruan Jia.

[Anonymous No.3025524]

>chicken scratch in sketchpad
>smooth confident lines on screen tablet

what the fug

[Anonymous No.3025526]

>read sticky in beg thread.
>do exercises the sticky recommends
>post progress in /beg/ of said exercises
>"lol anon those excersizes are such a waste of time"
>I stop doing exercises, start making some oc.
>Posts oc in /beg/ thread.
>"You are too unskilled to be focusing on oc, you need to spend more time doing these excersizes in the sticky."
>"anon did you even read the fucking sticky you retard?"
>I start doing exercises again. Posts progress in /beg/ and asks for advice on exercises.
>"anon that exercise is the perfect example of a waste of time"

Jesus fucking christ you guys. I love this board but what's the point of these /beg/ threads?

[Anonymous No.3025532]

>>3025514
I suggest you work with ink in your sketchbook since you can't erase it and it forces you to be deliberate. Also visualize the line before you start drawing.

[Anonymous No.3025544]

>>3025526
What exercises were you trying to do though?

[Anonymous No.3025547]

>>3025544
The ones in the Vilppu manual most of this board says to check out.

[Anonymous No.3025552]

I'm trying torso without reference, # for order

[Anonymous No.3025556]

>>3025552
You been drawing a while?

[Anonymous No.3025558]

>>3025556
I started like a month ago

[Anonymous No.3025564]

>>3025558
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.3025571]

>>3025558
>this good
>after a month
There's no need to lie here. You studied a ton in the past and just didn't want to say, right?

[Anonymous No.3025574]

Which of these heads do you feel has proportions inconsistent with the others? Specifically interested in the vertical proportions between the brow, eyes, nose and chin.

[Anonymous No.3025592]

>>3025564
>>3025571
I'm the guy who did this, and everything I did as kid was doodles of monsters without form.

[Anonymous No.3025597]

>>3025592
I remember seeing this, that wasn't a month ago was it? You've improved. What did you do to improve? Study in any specific way?

[NoseBro No.3025600]

>>3025564
>>3025571
people always "start drawing" when they do it seriously for the first time. Even picassos quote "It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child" is an example of the mental gymnastics people go through to say they don't not have talent. (Picasso was classically trained from childhood so fuck off)

[NoseBro No.3025602]

>>3025592
nice to see ya again!

[Anonymous No.3025618]

>>3025597
look at my own body and then try to recreate my male body into female body just add some hips
.>>3025602
thanks for your help, remember this? that was the first time I saw you

[NoseBro No.3025623]

>>3025618
>tfw keep redlining the same person by accident

[Anonymous No.3025634]

>they actually used my pic for the OP
I want to commit sudoku

[Anonymous No.3025635]

>>3025634
gonna make it

[Anonymous No.3025636]

>>3025634
let this experience motivate you to do better

[Anonymous No.3025654]

>>3025634
You drew loomis? Holy shit, I can't believe it!

[Anonymous No.3025666]

>>3025634
who is this sticky pixie?

[Anonymous No.3025673]

>>3025634
You're etched in history!

[Anonymous No.3025674]

>>3025666
Bakara from Dofus Livre I, a french animated movie that is a tie in to an MMO, no english dub
If you have a fetish for drunk girls she gets super drunk in the scene that pic is from

[Anonymous No.3025677]

>>3025257
Sure!

[Anonymous No.3025678]

so i tried with airbrush this time
i can't grasp on it, foot is not like foot

[Anonymous No.3025679]

>>3025674
Thank you, I do like some drunkass girls.

[Anonymous No.3025682]

>>3025678
>6 toes

[Anonymous No.3025684]

>>3025682
aw shit gonna fix it anyway

[Anonymous No.3025695]

I'm practicing my painting, what should I do to improve?

[Anonymous No.3025698]

>>3025695
textures.and the light reflections coming from them. and those bullets.

[NoseBro No.3025700]

>>3025678
you have a mismatch between the viewing angle of the palm of the foot, and the form of the ankle.

[Anonymous No.3025703]

>>3025698
>and those bullets

What's wrong with them?

[Anonymous No.3025704]

What are some good resources for drawing hands and feet?

[Anonymous No.3025705]

>>3025704
books and reference photos

[Anonymous No.3025706]

>>3025703
they are dicks. not rendered bullets.

[Anonymous No.3025713]

What's a good exercise for practicing values?

[Anonymous No.3025717]

>>3025678
shit i think it;s failed

[Anonymous No.3025725]

>>3025713
Do value studies.

[Anonymous No.3025727]

>>3025713
Studying values

[Anonymous No.3025728]

>>3025713
practice this shit 7 times
i said 7 times

[Anonymous No.3025729]

how does one "make it"

[Anonymous No.3025730]

>>3025728
What the fuck are the koreans teaching?

[Anonymous No.3025731]

>>3025728
translate it gooks

[Anonymous No.3025732]

>>3025729
git gud™

[Anonymous No.3025735]

>>3025730
>>3025731
A: Brightest
B: Bright mid
C: Dark (core shadow)
D: Dark mid
E: Reflected light
F: Shadow

i'm shit but tried

[Anonymous No.3025736]

Do any of your guys have any tricks for measurement on paint programs?

Just like a ruler or something to help with proportion when setting up figures?

Or are you guys just all eyeballing it and its something that comes with experience?

[Anonymous No.3025737]

Every time i think im shit at art, i have you guys to cheer me up

[Anonymous No.3025738]

>>3025634
I hope today's exchange served a little to right your course

[NoseBro No.3025740]

>>3025736
I know what is wrong but it is hard to find the set of words that would best convey how to improve. Do you have a specific question?

[Anonymous No.3025741]

>>3025634
Don't feel so bad anon. They've used mine as the OP as well.

[Anonymous No.3025743]

>>3025740
I guess I was just looking for some tips on how to always get correct body porportions. Like I always have a problem where either my arms are too short. My torso is longer than my legs, etc.

I guess this is down to inexperience. But if there was like an on screen ruler or something digital artists use I would love to know.

[Anonymous No.3025750]

>>3025736
pull out a ruler and place it on your screen. You are better off eye balling thought, building up that skill or everything you draw will be stiff as fuck forever

[NoseBro No.3025754]

>>3025741
what are you like nowadays?
>>3025743
the thing is, as a rule of thumb i dont answer questions that are based in impatience. The answers can be literally anything. Just know that once youve gained an INTUITIVE grasp of what you're doing, nothing else matters. Some pros never gain intuitiveness and that slows them down and may even hurt them. Just know that what you're being thought right now is irrelevant at the peak of art. No matter how you go about it, you eventually reach your stride. In your case if you know your torso and legs are too short too long that's not really a question. You know how to fix that.

[Anonymous No.3025755]

>>3025741
>i tried.jpg

It's obvious that you didn't. Scribbling for 5 minutes is not "trying."

[NoseBro No.3025756]

>>3025750
>pull out a ruler and place it on your screen.
come on man. Stop being retarded lol

[Anonymous No.3025757]

Ignoring the halfassed render job, or not.
What are the flaws I'm not seeing. I already know about the hideous fish face and hands but I'm overlooking all the other stuff I'm sure is there.

[Anonymous No.3025759]

Johj?

[Anonymous No.3025760]

>>3025728
But how can I practice on this?

There are letters so my L-side is always toggling on :(

[NoseBro No.3025762]

>>3025757
its at the level where words cant describe it anymore, youd have to get a redline. Though i heavily dislike it, i think you should leave beg to get some good crits.

I'd recommend you move from celshading to painting as well.

[Anonymous No.3025763]

>>3025754
>what are you like nowadays?

>>3025736
it's me... little improvement. But at least I know what to study instead of hopelessly using symbols.

Thanks for your help nosebro. You've helped me in multiple treads you probably don't even know it.

[Anonymous No.3025765]

>>3025762
>So bad it needs a higher level of skill to effectively dissect it
Ouch. But thanks. Let's see what the big boy threads have to say.

[NoseBro No.3025769]

>>3025765
what i said was that screaming at you to read the sticky has its limits, and your mistakes are uniformly distributed over your drawing so anything short of a redline is a pain.
>>3025763
I mean what does your art look like nowadays

From what ive heard today it seems as though my selection of what to crit relegates me to a specific selection of artists. Not a bad thing just something i hadn't considered.

[Anonymous No.3025778]

>>3025769
ehh.. only since you asked. This is the only finished thing I have done. All of my oc makes me cringe. I wasn't even aiming for furshit but it just ended up working.

I don't even try to make art anymore. I just do studies and exercises in hopes that when I have the courage to make oc again it wont look like >>3025741 again.

[Anonymous No.3025783]

>>3025778
You posted this a while ago, what have you done lately? post your studies if you have to.

[NoseBro No.3025786]

>>3025778
this is twice in a row you make the same mistake. Draw your neck as a cylinder no matter what until you can organically fuse it.

[Anonymous No.3025788]

>>3025214
Fuck that left arm and hand

Also I should probably start drawing clothes and textiles in general, gave up on the left side

[NoseBro No.3025789]

>>3025786

[Finlay !!rEkSWzi2+mz No.3025791]

>>3025380
>wide
Thank you. I know you told me that it is more valuable to just move on and draw another head, but is this any better?

[Anonymous No.3025793]

what will you draw when you make it anon?

[Anonymous No.3025794]

>>3025793

[Finlay !!rEkSWzi2+mz No.3025795]

>>3025794
>>3025793
Are you ok?

[Anonymous No.3025796]

>>3025760
>traditional
https://youtu.be/nMyQpAcCyXs

i couldn't find proper video in digital

you can do this same pattern in digital
also apply it more complex things
first. try it basic shapes.. object is next

[Anonymous No.3025800]

>>3025783
I really haven't been saving my studies. I draw before bed and just shut off my computer with sai running so it doesn't save. I can start saving and posting them to these threads if it can be beneficial.

>>3025786
>>3025789
man I only thought symbols could be mouths, nose and eyes. No idea my other body parts were symbols as well. This is really valuable that you pointed that out to me.

[Anonymous No.3025803]

I've been doing loads of line strength, basic form and rectangle-derived perspective drawings, but how do I bridge the gap from lines and shapes to studying portraits and figures like the the reccs at the start of the thread? I'm thinking construction and values, but which books are good introductions for those?

[Anonymous No.3025804]

>>3025803
>can already draw fat people
>asking how to draw real people
You're like half way there already.

[Anonymous No.3025810]

>>3025796
Shit, i used my fingers for this.

Cool stuff tho.

I'm super new so rekt me.

[NoseBro No.3025812]

>>3025810
come on go fucking darker are you blind?

[Anonymous No.3025815]

trying to get better at value, how am I doing?

[Anonymous No.3025816]

>>3025812
I'm happy right now. Not going darker than that.

[Anonymous No.3025818]

>>3025804
not my gondola

[Anonymous No.3025830]

>>3025757
Other then her LOOOOONG neck its generally ok, if we are ignoring the fingers and face. Be careful with scarfs m8

[Anonymous No.3025848]

>>3025220
First post here, started trying to practice a lot like 4 days ago. This got fucked to hell by symbol drawing, right? That's why I let the tilt completely fucking disappear, and why the eyes are deep-one tier huge?
Will I actually get better at this if I'm aware of that and consciously try to avoid it with more shit like this, or should I be doing something else to practice? I really really don't want to end up like the deviantart stereotype

[Anonymous No.3025856]

im lazy, need tips

[NoseBro No.3025872]

>>3025848
eyes are huge

[Anonymous No.3025878]

>>3025848
use a pencil and paper

go draw still lives for a month and refine your observational skills - faces are too difficult at this stage

[Anonymous No.3025881]

>>3025848
You could have done a lot worse and seem to be conscious of your mistakes, so I'd say you have all prerequisites to be able to get good some day.

Try simpler subjects (faces are notoriously hard for beginners) or do it again with the reference flipped upside down. Make sure to measure things more carefully and compare horizontal and vertical alignments of different facial features to ensure they don't get misaligned.

[Anonymous No.3025885]

>>3025878
>>3025881
Alright cool, you guys wouldn't happen to have any recommendations for easier subject matter while I'm at that? The only things I really want to draw are faces and figures and obviously that's not looking too hot right now

[Anonymous No.3025905]

I am obsessed with the work of The Pit, please tell me everything I need to learn / work on to match his skills

[Anonymous No.3025914]

>>3025905
are you really tho? Once you have drawn for 1 day maybe 2, you will probly see the flaws of this hack. Who the fuck hyper stretches their leg while walking out.

[Anonymous No.3025983]

>>3025914
>Who the fuck hyper stretches their leg while walking out.
A young and impressed hyper-slut, trying to seduce a stranger.

what is the hack you are talking about ?

[Finlay !!rEkSWzi2+mz No.3025999]

>>3025885
I really like this. Not sure why though, it might just be MSPaint

[Anonymous No.3026021]

>>3025914
stop replying to bait

you'll lead a better life

>>3025999
why are you namefagging? im confused

[Anonymous No.3026031]

>>3026021
Oh god, sorry; I was in the /LAS/ thread and I namefag there because I participate sometimes. I forgot to delete the field

There we go

[Anonymous No.3026050]

>>3025885
Okay new but completely related question.
So I'm having a fucking ton of fun drawing faces and figures even though I know I'm garbage at it, but any still life stuff I can think of practicing seems mind shatteringly uninteresting for me. Am I not going to get better if I stick to these things at the expense of simpler stuff?

[NoseBro No.3026056]

>>3026031
keep namefagging :)

[Anonymous No.3026060]

>>3026050
if your artistic goal is to draw faces and only faces, drawing flowers or buildings would just be a waste of your time

if you want a broad skillset and break up the monotony of only drawing the same thing forever, draw different types of subjects

[Anonymous No.3026106]

Should I practice rendering too if I'm just starting out?

And should I focus on perspective first before anything else?

[NoseBro No.3026108]

>>3026106
doesnt matter just draw what you like and draw lots of it. post in this thread and we will tell you waht youre lacking.

[Anonymous No.3026147]

[Nosebro No.3026158]

>>3026108
Real talk Nosebro what's preventing everyone from impersonating you

[Anonymous No.3026161]

>>3026147
practice your figures weight

shoulders bend down on the side they put the weight on but you have their leg up in the air on that side.

[NoseBro No.3026191]

>>3026158
i correct posts by me that i dont like. anyone someone says nosebro ill see the comment because thats how i filter.

[Anonymous No.3026196]

>>3025220
Measurement errors all over that throw off the entire thing and I fucked up hard with the lips.

[Anonymous No.3026199]

>>3026196
the guys right eye got depressed, should pull back more, looks like it got scrunched forward.

[Anonymous No.3026208]

>>3026199
yeah, there are a lot of subtleties that completely make or break a face. I guess I'm nearing the point where I pick up Hampton and start learning how faces actually work instead of trying to guess every time.

[Anonymous No.3026315]

I'm >>3023836 from the last thread and i tried something new. Some advice ? Especially with the eye. I tried my best with the values but it's a bit hard with so much dark.

[Anonymous No.3026316]

>>3026315
i forgot to mention it's not really finished. Tried to use big to small brushstrokes. This is why her body is not that well rendered

[Anonymous No.3026354]

So I'm getting bored of drawing cubes and squishy blobs on my sketchbook when do I get to draw girls with huge tits

[Anonymous No.3026361]

How do I place 2 point perspective objects into 1 point perspective room?

[Anonymous No.3026367]

>>3025213
why furfags are so fucking privileged and retarded? im not gonna do a 50 page comic about piss fetish for free in full colour, fuck you
I wish there was alternatives to making it as an artist without having to deal with creeps and weirdos. Sexy art is fine, furries are not
It literally feels like Chris chans out of moms money and wants me to do endless sonic shit

pic related and meme thats relatable to my feels

[Anonymous No.3026372]

>>3026354
What's stopping you? Draw it and see how shit it is then go back to studying.

[Nosebro No.3026373]

>>3026361
by reading the op.

[Anonymous No.3026375]

>>3026372
Everyone's already posting their stuff here (granted it's mostly potato heads and misshapen bodies) but I'm supposed to grind out drawabox and vilppu's beans before I even start drawing people.

[Anonymous No.3026378]

what's going on

[NoseBro No.3026379]

>>3026361
you dont.

[Anonymous No.3026388]

>>3026373
>>3026379
Sorry about the size. I'll adjust it next time, but honestly after reading perspective made easy I still have no idea how to place chair that's not pararell to the desk in that perspective, but it must be possible without making it look wonky.

[Anonymous No.3026390]

I've having trouble figuring out where to go from here.

[Anonymous No.3026398]

>>3025275
no need to add lines where they don't exist, anon

also the shape you drew doesn't match the actual shape of the lips, try working with just bw values and keep an eye out for negative shapes and edges (try not to use lines as an exercise)

good effort though, that ref is hella subtle and tricky

[Anonymous No.3026404]

Does anyone have a picture of a stone brick wall and pavement with sunlight that I can use as reference?

[Anonymous No.3026408]

>>3026388
Nevermind. I got it. For anyone intrested there's Meyer's video about that from gnomon.

[Anonymous No.3026409]

>>3026390
Start adding shading and value, begin rendering

[Anonymous No.3026422]

Is it cheating if I periodically superimpose my sketch over the reference to help recognize glaring mistakes?

[Anonymous No.3026426]

>>3026422
Yes. Only do this after finishing the sketch.

[Anonymous No.3026431]

Are these beginner level? People say I'm intermediate. Not sure.

[Anonymous No.3026432]

I fucked up the hands

[Anonymous No.3026438]

>>3026432
Commendable effort my friend. However I would check the values again and the concentration of some of your lines. Check the right shoulder. The shade there isn't nearly as dark and could be blended in a bit more. Just pass over the drawing a few times and double check all the time.

[Anonymous No.3026440]

>>3026432
His right arm (left from our side) looks a bit big. It really pops out at you. Compare with ref's deltoid and biceps

[Anonymous No.3026447]

>>3026432
His right arm is too long because you made his torso too long (or rather, didn't get the torso angle quite right). His head is also a bit too big.

[Anonymous No.3026449]

is it worth getting a drawing tablet or am i good with just pencil and paper. i asked a friend and they just pulled some rant on how good his 9000000000000000000000000 pound tablet was and i should invest in the future

[Anonymous No.3026451]

>>3026438
>>3026440
>>3026447
Thanks for the feedback! Now comparing the ref and the drawing I see that I really need to focus more on the proportions.

[Anonymous No.3026452]

>>3026431
Neither—you're much better. When did you start and how do you practice?

[Anonymous No.3026454]

>>3026431
How do I construct like that figure in the bottom left?

[Anonymous No.3026460]

>>3026452
This was on one of my better days though. I can only draw like that very rarely. I still think of myself as a beginner-intermediate. Mostly when drawing I try to check my angles, ask myself "does the figure REALLY look like that?" and when doing shading I try and look back and forth as much as possible to see if the values are too light or heavy. I've been drawing all of my life but very much on and off. It's only in 2017 that I've started to take it seriously.

I hate to dissapoint but I don't have much info on construction. I just copied the bottom left from an image. I would recommend Andrew Loomis though, but I'm sure you've heard of that guy.

[Anonymous No.3026471]

>>3026404
>23 layers

anon...

[Anonymous No.3026493]

>>3026460
We all have bad days too. That's really cool though. What references do you draw from?

[Nosebro No.3026499]

>>3026404
I don't remember there being a big stone thing covering up shit on the reference picture you posted last time.

[Anonymous No.3026506]

>>3026471
>tfw regularly go past 150 layers
am i beyond saving

[Anonymous No.3026514]

Is it better to practice in my sketchbook with pencil or with pen?

[Anonymous No.3026540]

>always sucked at drawing
>picked up Loomis's book on figures
>after reading the intro realize it may be too advanced
Should I start somewhere else or keep going? I'd like become decent at drawing friends, family, gf, etc

[Anonymous No.3026541]

>>3025848

you may find it more helpful to draw the face multiple times. First time you draw it like an instagram-tier photocopier, wherein you just draw what you see as lines and color (well, value) fields. That is, it should 99% match the photo you're working with. It shouldn't be thinking about form, just contour and measurement etc.

Then go back again and draw a very simple deconstruction in form, then a more complex one, then more and more complex, while looking up references on how to construct noses if you can't figure it out on your own.

[Anonymous No.3026543]

>>3026540
Oh yeah and feel free to have a laugh, my attempts always crack me up

[Anonymous No.3026548]

>>3026540
If you're just looking to draw from life gets Keys to Drawing. Basically the handbook on training your eye.

[Anonymous No.3026602]

>>3026431
>>3026452
>>3026460
It depends if those images can from your imagination or from a reference and if you can apply them to actually tell a story, if i asked you to draw out a sword fight from your imagination would you be able to do it?

[Anonymous No.3026603]

>>3026514
Both, a combination, none, it's all good.

[Anonymous No.3026607]

>>3026375
It's also important to have some fun while doing art. You can draw boxes and beans next to your big tiddies and try to use them already.

[Anonymous No.3026608]

>>3026543
I smirked

[Anonymous No.3026613]

>>3026543
Try using a ruler and a sharpened pencil, nobody expects you to be able to freehand perspective lines as a beginner

[Anonymous No.3026623]

>>3025422
rate my cock you large penises

[Anonymous No.3026631]

>>3026623
You use so such a small range of values that scrolling past the image it just appears as an uninteresting flesh-coloured blob. I personally like my flesh-coloured blobs more in the style of Francis Bacon.

[Anonymous No.3026633]

You are going to make it.

[Anonymous No.3026649]

>>3025788
looks like the left cheek is pressed against glass; the sudden dark to light and then darker area within that indicates a flattened sphere; I guess be more gradual with those tones, and especially dont have that darker tone toward the top left of the cheek come from nowhere, as it indicates a concave shape.

[Anonymous No.3026655]

>>3026631
are you telling me to paint francis bacon with a flesh coloured blob?

i feel like this is my calling in art

[Anonymous No.3026657]

>>3026655
go go go

[Anonymous No.3026665]

From imagination. I would have reduced the number of lines in the left arm but at this point I'm kinda fed up with it.

[Anonymous No.3026669]

>>3026665
It looks like a great contender for the next OP image

[Anonymous No.3026678]

>>3026665
it's how i imagine a paralysed man looks in the Swiss clinic just after they give him the cocktail of barbiturates

if thats what you were going for well done, if not oh well

[Anonymous No.3026685]

>>3026548
Cheers m8, yeah I have a lot of work to do. I just tried drawing the cleaning lady and she ended up looking like a ghost.

>>3026613
Will do

[Anonymous No.3026694]

>no rules, just tools
What exactly does this mean?

[Anonymous No.3026706]

>>3026694
it means that you're allowed to use anything and everything to get to the result you want

[Anonymous No.3026713]

>>3026657
why did you encourage this

[Anonymous No.3026749]

>>3025214

[Anonymous No.3026753]

>>3026713
nice bacon

[Anonymous No.3026768]

pls rate anatomy

first time on a tablet in a long time

[Anonymous No.3026770]

Can someone draw a tall sexy DFC girl?

[Anonymous No.3026786]

Is it bad to use stabilizers a lot?
I've got really shaky hands so I use them often.

[Anonymous No.3026792]

Do you drink alcohol /ic/?

[Anonymous No.3026823]

>>3026315

The other eye is bulging out...

[Anonymous No.3026833]

>>3026786
Just like any kind of other tool, there's no problem in using it if it's not a crutch to hide some deficiency in your technique (which seems to be the case). Do fast, arm strokes and get more confident in your lines before deciding to use it as a tool, not to compensate for anything else.

[Anonymous No.3026850]

Should i dry a perspective grid every time i make a drawing that involves perspective as to get the hang of it?

[Anonymous No.3026851]

>>3026850
>dry
Draw*

[Anonymous No.3026852]

>>3026786

Is it a condition that you have? If not then don't. Do lines, curves, simple shapes to train your hand. Fill 2 to 3 pages everyday before doing anything else.

[Anonymous No.3026876]

>>3026792

[Anonymous No.3026877]

>>3026432
Good but values are a little patchy and flat. Remember that you are rendering form, not just marking shadows. You should be showing planes and gradations of value.

[Anonymous No.3026896]

>>3025547
I actually remember you a few threads back. That anon who told you the exercises were a waste of time was a moron. Either that, or they meant to say it's a waste of time to practice exercises without understanding why you're doing them.

Either way, as a general rule of thumb, you should mostly ignore any of the comments in these threads that don't provide any sort of reasoning behind what they're saying, because you'll likely run into a bitter cunt who has nothing helpful to say

[Anonymous No.3026919]

>>3026876
one more before bed

[Anonymous No.3026931]

>>3026792
Cleavage won't look like that unless wearing a padded bra.

[Anonymous No.3026932]

Rate my Helix, friends?

[Anonymous No.3026936]

>>3026919
yo her left shoulder is fucked all the way up

[Anonymous No.3026937]

How do I get good at human body perspective?

[Anonymous No.3026959]

>>3026649
yeah, now that you pointed that out it looks very clear to me, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.3026961]

>>3025213
Hey anons how the fuck did you guys get out of symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.3026965]

>>3026961
by drawing what i see

[Anonymous No.3026967]

>>3025219

>>3026961
ha ha ha , still doing it my dude
;_;

[Anonymous No.3026984]

>>3026961
do studies of images upside down. Symbol drawing happens because you see something like an eye and go "okay, I'll just draw an eye here", instead of drawing what you're actually seeing. Doing an upside down study helps you to see the object as a relationship between actual shapes, as opposed to just falling back on what you think you know

It also helps to measure as best as you can, measurements don't lie

[Anonymous No.3026988]

Do bodies twist like that?

[Anonymous No.3026994]

>>3026988
That's not even twisted.

[Anonymous No.3027000]

>>3026988
your vanishing points are too close homie

[Anonymous No.3027005]

>>3027000
I didn't know that was a thing. Why can't vanishing points be too close?

[Anonymous No.3027015]

>>3027005
you can think of it like a camera, and moving the vanishing points closer or farther changes the type of lens. having them that close together messes things up since it's not how the human eye sees at all, and is closer to a fisheye lens. there would be way more distortion in how everything looks if you wanted to draw it accurately with the points so close. look up 'field of view' and 'focal length'.

[Anonymous No.3027017]

I have no fucking clue how to draw faces from this angle. Even looking at my own face, I can't figure out a way to draw it that actually appeals to me. I tried looking up some things about drawing faces from different angles but even beyond the face itself (which I think I could maybe get to work better for me with more fiddling), the way the neck and chin attach is a bigger roadblock.

[Anonymous No.3027023]

>>3027015
How do you determine what is too close and what is just right?

[Anonymous No.3027029]

>>3027023
Not him, but check out Scott Robertson's How to Draw, he addresses this exact concern of yours very well

[Anonymous No.3027035]

>>3027029
Thanks, I'll try to find the pdf or just buy it.

[Anonymous No.3027038]

Can you guys guess what this ball is made off?

[Anonymous No.3027047]

>>3027038
plastic

[Anonymous No.3027048]

>>3027038
first of all i would say its a badge, since theres no roundness in the texture.

[Anonymous No.3027051]

>>3027047
>>3027048
Fucking hell, I can't paint any texture in this world right. What am I missing?

[Anonymous No.3027056]

in setember will make one year that i "learned" loomis and started drawing faces, still is maddening the way im still so off, how? what am i doing wrong i am desperate

[Anonymous No.3027066]

>>3027056
I just don't think you're measuring enough.

[Anonymous No.3027090]

>>3027056
try drawing individual ares, just draw his nose until its right or just his eyes then bring it all together

[Anonymous No.3027107]

I'm stopping with this face... Tried to fix thing to get some likeness only to fuck it up. Maybe I should paint fruit or animals for a few days before starting with face again.

[Anonymous No.3027113]

So my personal observation trying to understand figure construction, it's much less beneficial drawing over an image than it is to look at it from the side and draw it on a blank canvas.
My mind really wants to trace when i'm drawing over something for reference.

I'm probably not going to do that anymore.

[NoseBro No.3027129]

>>3027107

[Anonymous No.3027148]

need better

[Anonymous No.3027151]

>>3026499
there was but in a different angle

[Anonymous No.3027159]

>>3027129
What are heigh guidelines?

[Anonymous No.3027163]

hey guys, how would I go about making lines like this? so smooth and nice

[Anonymous No.3027168]

>>3025241
>>3025251
is this really what you wanna achieve? is this what you're learning for?
world is a big, strange place

[Anonymous No.3027171]

>>3027163
practice line drawing with shoulder
draw a tons of straight clean line every day.

practice connect stroke to stroke

study lineweight

[Anonymous No.3027175]

>>3025848
You're starting on adding detail too soon. The folds of the eyes or the cheekbones should be done at the end. Not tge begining.

[Anonymous No.3027177]

>>3026147
Her legs don't appear to be facing the right direction.

[Anonymous No.3027202]

>>3027056
nigger one year is too long stop fucking symbol drawing

learn to draw what you fucking see, to do that you need to practice values and rendering, it will improve your sight and how you measure distances and sizes

you're just not observing it well enough, in both of them you drew the eyes and the mouth in the wrong angle, look at the angle before you draw, you know it's not fucking straight, you are not blind, you can see they're titled, then draw them tilted

[NoseBro No.3027206]

>>3027159

[Anonymous No.3027208]

>>3027113
Your gestures and construction are really stiff. Not sure why you're dividing the body that way. There's a better way of doing the torso, and that is to separate between the ribcage and the pelvis. Then connect via a soft midsection that twists and bends. Learn your landmarks instead of guessing where parts end and begin. Also if you're going to trace, do it right, mark where the pelvis and ribcage are. Find the center line and the spine. Trace the abdomen to see how it stretches. Find the beginning of the legs and arms. Mark the clavicles.

Also read Michael Hampton's book. It will help you a lot.

[Anonymous No.3027212]

Are there any value cheat sheets for the human body? Kind of like how on the face, the brow, forehead, cheeks and nose tend to be brighter. Lower lip brighter than upper. That kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.3027213]

>I'm so shit at drawing I can't even draw shit like this if I wanted to.
>Cant even make decent stick figures.

This world wasn't meant for me.

[Anonymous No.3027228]

>>3027208
I don't intend to trace. I wont ever learn anything from that.

Thank you for your tips. I am going to try some stuff out of Michael's book tomorrow!

[Anonymous No.3027241]

Tablet drawing is hard.

[Anonymous No.3027257]

>>3027241
just draw with a mouse

[Anonymous No.3027258]

>>3027038
I-is this more like wood?

[Anonymous No.3027259]

>>3027257
>not drawing with mousekeys

[Anonymous No.3027261]

>>3027258
is this what you're going for?
regular wood doesn't look like that

[Anonymous No.3027266]

I am thinking of doing a project, where I have to measure up my room and the most significant objects in it, make a plan and then draw it all accurately in Perspective.
If I can make this work, I should be able to design any environment by studying it's proportions, right?

[Anonymous No.3027268]

>>3027261
Yes, this type of wood. Should have made it redder.

[Anonymous No.3027281]

>>3027266
I was taught a method to do that in a drafting class from my architecture major a few years ago. I wish i had a name for you. It looks exactly like this pic i fished from google looking up 'drawing perspective with floorplans'. I've skimmed through robertsons book and i think he teaches something similar.

[Anonymous No.3027285]

>>3027163
>those nipples

[Anonymous No.3027291]

>>3027051
>>3027258
Your form study is lacking. Those do not look like spheres and is mainly why your textures don't work.

[Anonymous No.3027297]

>>3027291
This is the base I did for the sphere, is it wrong?

[Anonymous No.3027299]

droping this before the thread ends

[Anonymous No.3027306]

>>3027297
COLOR IDENTITY
https://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

[Anonymous No.3027313]

>>3027306
Oh, shit, that's actually a nice page, gonna read it all. Thanks, man.

Also, I see now it makes sense to not go overboard with highlights, but that left cylinder isn't "wrong", right?

[Anonymous No.3027342]

Critique just finished this fanart of the movie black butler

[Anonymous No.3027385]

>>3025214
how do you approach shading?

[Anonymous No.3027388]

>>3027385
Go darker and darker until you realized you messed up then start over correctly the next time.

[Anonymous No.3027411]

Learning to draw from imagination here.
Can anyone comment on iterative drawing https://youtu.be/k0ufz75UvHs?t=9m31s to 13m

I'm actually learning a lot about whatever I'm studying even though I'm just starting out with anatomy, seeing what's wrong and doing another take on it. The grind is extreme though, but apparently it's required if you try to cram so much information so quickly.

Anyone else done this?

[Anonymous No.3027412]

>>3027411
Why is the first one so much better than all the other ones? Drawing from imagination by the way is just drawing from memory.

[Anonymous No.3027413]

>>3027412
First one was referenced detail for detail.
The rest are changing features to see what makes a skull look like a skull and also no reference until completed.

[Anonymous No.3027421]

>spend half hour drawing portrait
>do tons of fucking tweaks and adjustments
>wow it really looks like the ref
>do over lay
>a few things are slightly off, mouth is wrong size, eyes aren't on the right plane, face is slightly too wide.
>fix them so that its almost literally traced
>doesn't look like the ref

why

[Anonymous No.3027424]

Is gesture drawing the best to focus on for someone who can draw monsters and inhuman things but can't into human anatomy and proportions ?

[Anonymous No.3027425]

think i might be retarded

[Anonymous No.3027426]

>>3027425
I believe in you!

[Anonymous No.3027427]

>>3027421
Tracing makes you lose the subtle things like line weight. Also, you didn't spend all that much time either.

[Anonymous No.3027430]

>>3027427
i didnt trace. i said i made the adjustments with transform and move so that things line up perfectly AS IF it were traced. but it resembles the ref less than it did before

[Anonymous No.3027445]

>>3025220
First attempt at water color.
How do you get proportions right with only applying the color?
Do you draw an outline/sketch before that?

[Anonymous No.3027447]

>>3027430
Try to mirror both the ref and your drawing.

[Anonymous No.3027448]

>>3027447
what does that mean

[Anonymous No.3027449]

>>3027448
That means you could be too used to your drawing and the ref, try to compare them mirroed and see if that's the case. Could just not be too, idk.

[Anonymous No.3027450]

>>3027448
>>3027447
wait do you mean have them 'facing' each other in the two windows?

[Anonymous No.3027478]

>>3027470
>>3027470
>>3027470

>>3027470
>>3027470
>>3027470

>>3027470
>>3027470
>>3027470

>>3027470
>>3027470
>>3027470

[Anonymous No.3030328]

>>3025213
CAn someone critique my demon please im new to cintiq too first time im using photoshop to color how am I doing, please dont insult too much i been scared to post but i think this is ok

[Anonymous No.3030329]

>>3026398
>dont add any lines meme

stfu you stupid fucking nooob lines are a good way to start you can shade them after

[Anonymous No.3030330]

>>3026431
porportions are all wrong mate keep practicing though shading is okish but again needs some work