/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2993623]

>You will never be a successful manga artist because you are just a whitu piggu

[Anonymous No.2993630]

>>2993623
Go on fiver and pay an Asian guy to do voice overs for YouTube videos or whatever else sorta media you need to publish. Then just stay in side and don't talk to people in real life. Your already half way done.

[Anonymous No.2993643]

>>2993623
lol, yes that's what's stopping you

[Anonymous No.2993644]

>>2993623
>blaming your genes instead of your laziness.
you are disgusting.

[Anonymous No.2993647]

What's up with the delusion that being Asian would help you with getting work done? You would probably be that fat asian kid sniffing panties bought of a vending machine instead of doing art. Nothing about you would change except for the fact that you got access to panties.

[Anonymous No.2993675]

>>2993647
I wasn't talking about work ethic.

Western guys will never get a serialization in Japan. And Western manga publishers are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.2993689]

>>2993623
You just gotta work hard and git gud. I know a guy named mark crilley who is extremely talented and has his own manga going.

[Anonymous No.2993697]

>>2993623
enjoy five hours of sleep per week

[Anonymous No.2993698]

>>2993623
>>2993675

Tony Valente
Felipe Smith
Paul Pope
Jamie Lynn Lano

It's a small group. Japanese animation is easier than manga for a foreigner to break into.

[Anonymous No.2993737]

>>2993689
>who is extremely talented
>just gotta work hard and git gud.

wtf

[Anonymous No.2993740]

>>2993623
Isn't manga just Japanese for comic? Perhaps your problem is that you are a huge weebo.

[Anonymous No.2993745]

>>2993623
Most asians can't even make it as successful manga artists, this is like saying you can't be a successful white rapper

[Anonymous No.2993746]

You could take the route of ShindoL

[Anonymous No.2993768]

>>2993675
>And Western manga publishers are irrelevant.
western manga is called COMICS you illiterate retard

[Anonymous No.2993792]

>you will never be a japanese mangaka
>you will never draw up a rough but mildy skilled short manga and submit it to your local publishing companies
>they will never respond back saying it's great and it gets published as an amateur manga
>you will never earn the respect of industry pros of the time who will want to work with you
>you will never travel to the big city as a young man making it in the manga world
>you will never hire your first assistant in your new small studio who will refer to you as sensei


>you will never live an esoteric life as a famous manga artist in Japan spending every making moment producing your magnus opus to be read weekly by thousands of people

[Anonymous No.2993793]

>>2993740
This is true.

[Anonymous No.2993805]

>>2993623
if you actually cared about the medium you'd just draw western comics

[Anonymous No.2993920]

>>2993689
>I know a guy named mark crilley
uuuutuuuuuube

[Anonymous No.2993934]

>>2993644

Dubs of truth.

I'll never be a comic book author if I stay lazy as I am right now. Gotta put my ten thousand hours in it until I can get as good as pic related.

[Anonymous No.2993940]

>>2993805
>having to draw capeshit for popularity in a art style you aren't fond of
Yeah, fuck that.

[Anonymous No.2993948]

>>2993623
If you think you are pathetic go look at my thread in /GD/, screen capped pic related.
>my high school dream was to draw manga.

[Anonymous No.2993966]

the japanese animation industry has tons of westerners in it.

[Anonymous No.2993968]

>>2993940
wakfu is western produced animation in an almost completely japanese style. if your art was good you'd get hired anywhere regardless of the style. western comics isn't just superman and batman.

[Anonymous No.2993974]

>>2993623

Step one: Learn to draw.

Step two: Learn moon runes.

Step three: Make a pixiv account.

Step four: Start saving money.

Step five: Update regularly until an important company contacts you.

Step six: Prepare to move to grorious Nihon and enjoy your new life as a fucking slave.

[Anonymous No.2993976]

>>2993689

>Mark Crilley

Best advice. This nigger knows.

[Anonymous No.2994037]

>tfw asian and unskilled

[Anonymous No.2994040]

>>2994037
Disgrace to the race.

[Anonymous No.2994042]

>>2993940
It's just an art form as any other, you can do whatever you like. You can take whatever it is you like about manga and just apply it to your own comics.

>he thinks the only way to draw comics is by becoming a sellout for the big two capeshit companies
That would be a fate worse than becoming a manga drawing monkey.

[Anonymous No.2994050]

The biggest thing stopping a lot westerners from becoming manga artists is not learning the Japanese language. It's best if you are able to communicate with your employers and your fans. Of course it's not needed to succeed, but being able to socialize with people is a huge part of getting your foot in the door.

I've heard that the language barrier holds back a lot of aspiring models, singer, artists, etc. in Japan.

[Anonymous No.2994111]

>>2993675
What about RBWY?

[Anonymous No.2994114]

>>2994050
being even slightly nuanced in Japanese takes a long ass time even for Japanese people. I heard it takes a good 6 years for fluent language.

[Anonymous No.2994122]

Thank god. Who the fuck would want to draw 26 hours a day for a burger flipper salary.

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2994129]

>>2993623
What about Whyt Manga and Nikolas Draper? If anything, they prove there's a niche market for manga-styled comics in the west.

I mean, it's what me and my friend are doing once we launch Tiger Square next year.

Pic related is Draper's btw.

[Anonymous No.2994230]

>>2994111
That guy was asian. Same thing applies to Danny Choo.

[Anonymous No.2995742]

>>2993623
Why would you want to become a manga artist?

[Anonymous No.2995745]

>>2994230
So if you're asian but not Japanese, you have a super high chance of making it? Nice.

[Anonymous No.2995773]

>Realize that only whites and asians can be good artists.

What the fuck. Can I even make it? I'm trying to think of 1 (one) black master artist and I can't think of any.

[Anonymous No.2995775]

>>2995773
Basquiat

[Anonymous No.2995778]

>>2995775
If that is as good as I can expect to be, I'll end myself now.

[Anonymous No.2995780]

>>2995773
You can't think of any because all you look for are white and asian artists. There are plenty of good black artists. You're doing yourself a disservice to not know successful people of your own kin.

[Anonymous No.2995781]

>>2995778
hey man you might be black but I'm purple and I ain't never heard of no purple person becoming a master artist. shit's rough

[Anonymous No.2995782]

>>2995773
Alphonso Dunn is p good. Dont fall for the memes, there's an infographic floating around this board of working professionals, and one of them is a black comic book artist. Just find you niche, but for the love of god, don't get into comics unless you literally can't imagine doing anything else.
>>2995775
We're talking about good artists, not borderline schizos whos work was just distinctive enough to be flipped by art traders. Lol browse insta or tumblr and you'll see all his copyers making a joke of themselves. A lot of young black guys get into painting through him and have no interest in surpassing him, learning any color theory, any structure etc. Lazy as fuck.

[Anonymous No.2995786]

>>2995782
embarrassing that you need a fucking infographic to know 1 guy.

[Anonymous No.2995799]

>>2995773
Theres a black storyboard artist that boards for SU I think.

I feel your pain though. I believe there are alot of black artists out there, you just have to look for them, ive found a few really good ones. A lot of them seem to be of African descent for whatever reason; I come from home with a parent from uganda so it gives me hope. Its just hard because most black artists dont make it super apparent that theyre black online.

When we both make it well be the inspiration for future generations of black artists, dont worry anon.

[Anonymous No.2995804]

>>2995786
I said Alphonso, and the other guy I mentioned, I don't even remember his name, so thats TWO my friend. And I only mentioned the second guy because I was talking about in the comics industry. So obviously, the african american percentage would be small. Im not black, so its not like I'm keeping tabs on black artists, but if you google 'african american artists' many come up.
>>2993623
Even if you're good enough to get into animation, will it even matter to you? To share a connection to great artists, and then toss that to the side to do weeb shit, will you respect yourself and your work? At the end of your life, will you look back and think of yourself as a living meme? Ask yourself that. The life of an artist is always one of struggle. If none of that bothers you, work for it.

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2995807]

>>2995799
What about Whyt Manga, and ESPECIALLY Nikolas Draper. Both have large followings, and Draper makes it more than abundantly clear he's black.

[Anonymous No.2995809]

>>2995786
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_visual_artists

Pick a name motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.2995815]

>>2995809
I'm black, I already got my personal list.

[Anonymous No.2995820]

>>2995815
Then shut the fuck up and draw.

[Anonymous No.2995823]

>>2995804
You're probably referring to Felipe Smith. Understandable that you don't keep tabs but my own black brothers don't and would rather keep tabs on X pixiv artist.

[Anonymous No.2995825]

>>2995823
Different guy, but he has a nice style. The guy I'm remembering wears glasses and had a hat on in his pic, and was from Brooklyn I think.

[Anonymous No.2995826]

>>2995825

Oh then Lesean Thomas?

[Anonymous No.2995831]

>>2995807
never heard of these guys. Im not really into anime stylistically. Im impressed though. A list of black artists I know personally to mull over maybe?:

>flyod norman
>bunabi
>asieybarbie
>lamar abrams

a vast majority of the people that worked on black dynamite, including:

>Lesean Thomas
>Chase Conley
>Roger Webb
>diego molara
>Ronald Wimberley

Dont give up anon, you can do it!

[Anonymous No.2995834]

>>2995826
Yup thats him. Respectable career right there, good blend of western and street influence and anime stylization.

[Anonymous No.2995900]

>>2994230
I'm part Asian. Does that count?

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2995922]

>>2995831
I'm white, and I personally admire both of them as amateur comic makers. That's why I bring them up so often. Draper especially, he's pretty much where I wanna get to in the near future in terms of skill and success, so I'm both jealous, and inspired by him, but he makes for a great short term goal to keep a laser focus on as he's certainly better than me, but not by so much that I can't catch up to him. If I bust my ass hard enough, I might even be able to surpass him this year. So that's my current goal.

Other artists that are way better than me that I admire are so far beyond my reach, like Kim Jung Gi, and Sung Eun Kim, and Frank Frazetta, I don't bother to compare myself to them. I guess this is off topic relative to this thread, but I stay motivated by finding artists that are better than me, but still within my range, and focusing on getting past them.

[Anonymous No.2996184]

>>2995807
>Nikolas Draper
if travis scott was a manga artist lmao

[Anonymous No.2996188]

>>2994129
How is this "manga styled" at all?

[Anonymous No.2996259]

>>2995826
although he is a established artist/animator, he cant spend a day without ranting about racial-political shit on twitter and I just cant take him seriously

[Anonymous No.2996290]

You pretty much have to live in Japan to be successful or even employed in the manga industry. Assuming you're looking for a career as a manga artist, you're probably going to be doing bitch work. You might also be employed as a temp worker who get treated like dog shit by the salarymen. Even if you don't get employed as a bitch worker, you have to submit good shit, usually through contests which are used to find new series and talent.

But okay, even if you DID go to Japan and were decent, Japan is xenophobic af and will make it miserable to live there even if you are white. You're just a tourist at best, and you're expected to go home eventually.

[Anonymous No.2996378]

>>2996290
Not if you're a sexy tomboy beanpole, you don't!

http://www.jamieism.com/187/life/working-as-an-assistant-on-the-prince-of-tennis-part-1

[Anonymous No.2996441]

>>2996378
And not if you scamaz your way in too like Nozmo. (on the left).

http://www.moae.jp/comic/chibasho_undergrounduchujin/1/1

[Violise No.2996443]

>>2994122
Who says I'd wanna get paid; just leaving a solid mark on the industry is enough fer me personally

[Anonymous No.2996447]

>>2996441
What in the fuck is that?

[Anonymous No.2996452]

While this guy is a programmer, he went full time at Nintendo after enrolling in a Japanese University and interning there. Here's a Kotaku (I know) article, and a video.

http://kotaku.com/american-says-in-2007-its-his-dream-to-work-at-nintendo-1793403037
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylj8DAeOkhM

Btw, enrolling in a Japanese University would be a fantastic way to see Japan, learn the language, and make connections. There are a lot of resources for it, and they have courses for many majors. So if you want to study art there, you can.

[Anonymous No.2996458]

>>2996447
The wonderful imagination of a tumblr artist.

[Anonymous No.2996462]

>>2993940
you know there are a ton of weeb westerners in the comic book industry, right?

[Anonymous No.2996466]

There's that frog who did background art for macross frontier

[Anonymous No.2996471]

>tfw no Western equivalent to the variety and abundance of Japanese manga, just a few oddballs among the capeshit
why is the west so adverse to illustration beyond the established ruts of kiddie/low-effort satire cartoons and capeshit

[Anonymous No.2996482]

>>2996471
not true, did you not realize that marvel and dc aren't the only comic book publishers?

[Anonymous No.2996487]

>>2996471
What about Webcomics? So much variety out there.

[Anonymous No.2996494]

>>2996471
I too wish more french comics were scanned and translated on the internet.

[Anonymous No.2996589]

>>2996471
Honestly 90% of manga is terrible just like american comics, the saving grace is that there's no politics

eurocomics are OK

[Anonymous No.2996649]

Oh god oh god some japanese guy is asking me to draw a manga for him. (Commission)

What the FUCK do I do!?

[Anonymous No.2996656]

>>2993689
>Mark Crilley is pretty damn reatand had some if the best draftsmanship and linework I've ever seen
>Refuses to do proper tutorials
God fucking damn it

[Anonymous No.2996697]

>>2996649
>G-pen nib?
>B4 manga paper
>inkwell
Gtg

[Anonymous No.2996702]

>>2996697
A 30cm cutting ruler also will help. And of course drawing's the easy part. Use tone as a shading tool, or as a pattern for clothing.

[Anonymous No.2996706]

>>2996697
I've lined up the minimum space for panelling, but as you can see in the bottom left-hand corner, you can draw right to the edge if you want to, making your manuscript potentially much larger than B5.

[Anonymous No.2996898]

>>2993623
Draw your manga and post it on the internet. If you just want to be a mangaka for success then I guess you forgot to like what you do.

[Anonymous No.2996950]

>all these excuses

And you all wonder why you're never gonna make it.

Stop worrying about adhering to house styles or making it big in Nippon and just draw comics you twats

If you want to get paid to do it you're most likely gonna work in the US mainstream like I do. There's fuck all money in comics outside of that

[Anonymous No.2996970]

>>2996589
>Honestly 90% of manga is terrible just like american comics

[Anonymous No.2996978]

>>2996970
no seriously, he's right. sturgeon's law.

you just see the tip of the iceberg because that's all that washes ashore outside of japan.

[Anonymous No.2997301]

Post a pic that you drew with a sample of your handwriting next to it.

[Anonymous No.2997312]

>>2997301
WOOPS meant to make a thread not a comment.

[Anonymous No.2997624]

>>2993737
Talent is pursued interest

[Anonymous No.2997667]

>>2996970
Pick up a weekly Japanese manga magazine, any one of them. It's 80~90% very very badly drawn and generic drivel that never gets scanlated because nobody outside of the die-hards in Japan itself or the crummiest of weebs give a shit.

t. guy who works with importing shit like that.

[Anonymous No.2997883]

>>2996978
that's a mighty fine tip though. and even then there's a ton of stuff that isn't translated and looks good.

>>2997667
it can be badly drawn but still be good anon. and how would you know how generic it is without reading it? well, i don't doubt there's a metric ton of shit out there though.

[Anonymous No.2998449]

I know this might be a little stupid, but can someone link me up with some good tutorials to draw modern manga ? A.K.A.: Spoonfeed me please

[Anonymous No.2998881]

>>2993675

OK... so... go into COMICS? What's your obsession with going into a foreign industry when you've got an equivalent right here?

Do mangaka whine about not being able to get into western comics? What's your problem?

[Anonymous No.2999379]

>>2993623
Bitch, there are barely any non-japanese manga artists because there are hardly any non-Japanese ANYBODY in Japan.
Ever looked at Japanese demographics? 99% percent of the japanese population is ethnically Japanese. The only reason there are successful Japanese artists in the west is because the west actually has significant enough immigration for those people to exist.
The real reason you'll never be a manga artist is because you're too much of a bitch to actually move to japan and give it a shot. Maybe you only think that because demographic statistics have tricked you into thinking it's not possible for a white dude to find success there, but the more likely scenario is that you're a lazy white weeb who would be about as successful at it as a lazy japanese weeb.

And fuck, you realise that Nips LOVE western media, right? You could fucking draw a manga-style comic in the west (you know, since manga is just the japanese word for comic), get is super popular, and THEN be famous in Japan.

You won't though, because you're a lazy Wojack-posting cunt that would rather wallow in self pity than even do the most basic research regarding you're supposed "dream."

How about instead of shitposting all day, you grow a pair and actually do something to make your dream a reality? Huh? Explain to me why you don't do that.

[Anonymous No.2999384]

>>2993623
>who is mark crilley
you don't gots to be mark crilley to manually excrete some fine-ass shit

[Anonymous No.2999388]

>>2995773
Lesean Thomas is another good artist

[Anonymous No.2999394]

>>2997883
>It can be badly drawn but still be good anon!

Are you listening to yourself? You've clearly created some sort of idealized version of the manga industry in your head that caters to you obsessions. Have you ever read bakuman? have you ever worked in any industry, ever?
Have you ever seen the difference in artwork between a pilot chapter from a contest and the actual first chapter of a successful manga? The difference in quality is shocking, often.
Do you think that change in quality is a coincidence? It isn't. One Punch Man was a literal one-in-a-million fluke, and even it got better artwork later.

You need to seriously temper your expectations.

[Anonymous No.2999396]

>>2995773
there's plenty of good black artists you nigger

[Anonymous No.2999416]

>>2999396
graffiti isn't art

[Anonymous No.2999441]

>>2999416
Takes more skill than I've ever seen on this board.

[Anonymous No.2999513]

Isn't Shindol a foreigner who's really popular?

[Anonymous No.2999519]

>>2999513
p sure he is a nip who lived in America for a while. Speaks english and Japanese, and is ethnically jap.

[Anonymous No.2999521]

>>2993792
This image and post speak to me.

Something about just waking up and drawing your day away in your comfy little apartment feels right.

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2999585]

>>2999379
>And fuck, you realise that Nips LOVE western media, right? You could fucking draw a manga-style comic in the west (you know, since manga is just the japanese word for comic),
That's kinda my plan. The next comic me and my friend will be working on has a lot of potential appeal in East Asia, especially South Korea. My friend's writing especially will ensure this project is 10/10, because no one could execute this idea as well aa he could. Now I just gotta get my art up to snuff for this comic, and it could be really really big.

It's kinda funny, cause the manga styled comic market in the west is rather small and niche, but it's also untapped, and there is a large crowd of people who would raise it up purely for filling that niche (if Korra and TLA are to be an example). So long as the content is good.

SK would love it purely out of subject matter. That's a given.

And then there's Japan... Japan is funny, cause Japan likes whatever is popular, and you do have a lot of westaboos over there. So there is potential to break in as a Westerner, as you said. You just gotta make sure your stuff is translated into Japanese. And I guess the interesting thing is there, if you manage to get big in Japan, you gotta wonder how much more it'd take to get an anime out of your stuff. I mean, you need to be more that just popular, which is hard in and of itself, but considering western works have been made into anime (such as Deltora Quest for example), it IS possible.

Guess we'll see, but that's my long term goal. I'll let you guys know 5-10 years from now.

[Anonymous No.2999586]

>>2999394
i'm saying that art isn't everything. i read a lot of manga. when i hear people like you say that "80-90%" of manga is shit or that opm is a one in a MILLION fluke then it becomes pretty apparent that artwork is all you really care about. but artwork isn't all that manga has to offer, not even close.

manga doesn't have to look like opm to be considered "good". but when i listen to people like you, it sounds like anything that isn't opm is "generic shit" and opm is the very best that manga had to offer. that really rubs me the wrong way. it sounds like you don't read much manga, and you're talking out of your ass because you read a bit of bakuman.

again, there is a ton of bad manga out there, but there is no shortage of good ones out there either.

>It can be badly drawn but still be good anon!
yes. absolutely.
shoujo in general tends to be drawn badly (i.e. worse than opm).
and pic related is about the worst artwork you can find, but it's still an excellent manga.

[Anonymous No.2999603]

>>2999394
I hope you aren't baiting. Bakuman is a legit good manga.

[Anonymous No.2999620]

>>2999586
>>2997883
This. I love shoujo and read a shit ton of it. Most shoujo manga have bad-mediocre art that looks pretty because of the rendering. I keep reading shoujo for the stories and the characters. You can either have shit art, or a shit story. You can't have both. And it is a lot easier to learn how to draw than it is to learn how to be storyteller.

Here's a little tidbit about storytelling. Storytelling isn't about having the best grammar. It also isn't about having the most complex plot, or characters. It's not about having a popular story either. It's about being able to tell a story that keeps people engaged and wanting more. It's about being able to tell a story that has a target audience and follows genre conventions. Some people can do this right away, and some people just need to learn some writing skills/practice before they can do it. But there are others just struggle with telling a story. Some authors will say you can't learn storytelling, but I think you can. I just think a writer just needs to have a eureka moment, but who knows what would set that off.

So anyway, I think art is important, but don't neglect your story too.

[Anonymous No.2999627]

>>2999586
>>2999620
nigga needs to read up on FKMT, art ain't everything

[Anonymous No.2999699]

>>2999513
>>2999519
>+Place of Birth+ New York City
http://www.dahootch.com/webpages/profile.html
>I moved from my hometown in Queens, NY to Tokyo to work in the adult manga industry.
https://www.patreon.com/shindol