/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.2972282]

If you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

OLD THREAD: >>2970454

[Anonymous No.2972283]

[Anonymous No.2972284]

[Anonymous No.2972285]

[Anonymous No.2972286]

guys edition

[Anonymous No.2972287]

[Anonymous No.2972289]

[Anonymous No.2972305]

I gave the hyper angles book a try.
Any angle related tips are appreciated.

[Anonymous No.2972324]

>>2972305
>hyper angles
Link please.

[Anonymous No.2972326]

[Anonymous No.2972327]

Sup guys, beginning drawer here.
I'm having problems progressing from sketches, I get to this stage when I start drawing and don't really know how to continue without fucking everything up. Any tips?

[Anonymous No.2972335]

>>2972326
Oh god.

[Anonymous No.2972337]

>>2972324
>>2966723

[Anonymous No.2972344]

what should i do to improve?

[Anonymous No.2972347]

>>2972344
Smaller nose, looks like you made him black.

[Anonymous No.2972351]

Hey, have always drawn "what looked good" and as such am completely lacking in "construction", making me erase a ton till I get the right looking line, do you have a book/exercises you'd recommend to get used to it? Is the Loomis one enough?

[Anonymous No.2972370]

This is really bad for my day 29 at drawing?

[Anonymous No.2972375]

>>2972370
What even is that supposed to be?
Also, I don't think you should be drawing from imagination just yet, maybe try some photo study.

[Anonymous No.2972405]

>>2972327
Fuck everything up. Then try again.

[Anonymous No.2972421]

I guess I'll keep making portraits until they are at least moderately recognizable.

[Anonymous No.2972426]

Is ghosting lines worth it? I find I draw better if I just draw a line rather than attempting to ghost or connect two points.

[Anonymous No.2972431]

>>2972286
Where does the navel appear on women? Below the waist or above?

[Anonymous No.2972440]

>>2972426
connecting two points is about having your line exactly where you want it to be. If you can make the perfect line but can't place it exactly where you want, it isn't as valuable.

[Anonymous No.2972442]

>>2972431
>What is google.

[Anonymous No.2972449]

>>2972284
Fucked up the eyebrows and the mouth. How did I do?

[Anonymous No.2972465]

>>2972375
Not him, what is photo study? Another way of saying draw from life?

[Anonymous No.2972474]

>>2972465
Yeah, it's basically a fancy term for that.

[Anonymous No.2972480]

How come whenever I watch a video of an artist drawing something they never use construction?

[Anonymous No.2972489]

>>2972480
>He thinks people actually draw squares and circles

[Anonymous No.2972492]

>>2972474
Is there a more fun way?

[Anonymous No.2972500]

>>2972480
they've internalized the construction in their heads.

[Anonymous No.2972501]

>>2972489
D:

[Anonymous No.2972513]

>>2972449
looks cartoony
was this intend? If yes the mouth looks flat
If you tried realism....well

[Anonymous No.2972514]

>>2972421
Go darker with your shadows.

[Anonymous No.2972516]

>>2972421
Try asking Friends, your parents or anyone for just sitting on a table for 15 min and being your Model.
Youu will improve much better and quicker if you draw from life instead from just some photos. Ofc, it isnt bad to make potraits from pictures yet the alternative is much better.

[Anonymous No.2972525]

[Anonymous No.2972526]

>>2972525

[Anonymous No.2972528]

>>2972480
they do all the construction off camera

[Anonymous No.2972530]

>>2972526
>tfw taking too long to understand the basics

[Anonymous No.2972532]

>>2972526
Don't forget ya boy loomis

[Anonymous No.2972536]

How should I position my tablet on the desk?

[Anonymous No.2972544]

>>2972536
Whatever is the most comfortable for you.

[Anonymous No.2972560]

>>2972536
this works for me

[Anonymous No.2972582]

>>2972431
How did you manage to make your art look so professional and sketchy when everything in it is fucked? Learn how to construct a body before trying to draw it or do enough studies of bodies until your realise just how fucked everything is.

[Anonymous No.2972600]

>>2972465
Photo study is using photos as reference. Drawing from life is actually drawing objects/creature that are in front of you. Drawing from life makes it easy to see and feel the subject as 3D.

Just take any items in your house put it on a table/box and have one lightsource pointing at them. Start painting. Or go outside and draw anything you find interesting. People/vehicle/pants etc...

[Anonymous No.2972619]

>>2972514
>>2972516
Thanks, I'll keep those in mind.
While I was away I made this one too that I'm pretty happy with.
Think I'll refrain from posting until I feel like I've really improved (currently on day 4)

[Anonymous No.2972627]

>>2972532
That's terrifying
>>2972530
I-It's only been 130 days

[Anonymous No.2972632]

>>2972282

[Anonymous No.2972636]

>>2972582
>How did you manage to make your art look so professional and sketchy
I take that as a compliment
>Learn how to construct a body before trying to draw it
I will senpai, do you know any book that focuses on anatomy? I've been reading Loomis's and Bridgman's book. Also any exercise you could tell me on improving.

[Anonymous No.2972645]

>>2972282
thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2972648]

>>2972582
Also, is there something wrong with the face or the head? Thanks for the crit, anon.

[Anonymous No.2972650]

>>2972480
Once you've done it enough you just know where everything goes.

[Anonymous No.2972651]

Dodsons foot exercise from Keys.

[Anonymous No.2972653]

>>2972600
So...photo studying is just tracing

[Anonymous No.2972654]

>>2972600
I don't think you know what tracing means.

[Anonymous No.2972657]

>>2972636
>I take that as a compliment
If you're drawing like that then you ought to be a lot farther along
>Also any exercise you could tell me on improving.
Learn to not symbol draw. The sticky went over this.
Then look at a real human bean or a competent artist's renditions of human beans. Compare them to your own, then turn the consequential despair into a resolve to draw like they do.
>Also, is there something wrong with the face or the head?
Your craniums are too small, likewise here >>2972449

In general you seem to keep picking out little issues and ignoring huge ones; Be harsher on yourself.

>>2972653
Tracing is putting the image below your canvas, reference is putting the image beside your canvas.
They are most certainly not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.2972663]

two questions. 1: How to properly grind to get better at something and remember it, like do you just get alot of references of what you want to be better with and draw them?
2: How do you use a reference and learn from it?

[Anonymous No.2972666]

[Anonymous No.2972667]

>>2972666

[Anonymous No.2972668]

>>2972666
>>2972667
Oh god I've tilted everything horribly wrong
Why does this keep happening

[Anonymous No.2972671]

im on mobile so spare me if this turns up sideways/small as fuck

my lines are a mess and i feel like im working on too many things at the same time. i just want to draw cute anime grills familam

[Anonymous No.2972675]

>>2972480
Because construction is training wheels, basically - and not in an insulting way - it's how you learn to block forms, until it becomes instinctual.

[Anonymous No.2972677]

>>2972666
Satan guides you down the path of "never ever"

Hey
Use your
FUCKING EYES. PAY FUCKING ATTENTION. LOOK. LOOK WITH YOUR GOD DAMN EYEBALLS.

[Anonymous No.2972679]

>>2972525
What are you doing to these images, that they're pixelated and clipped? It's hard to say anything, when you can't really see anything.

[Anonymous No.2972680]

>>2972600
This, and most photography is lit exactly wrong for artists needs - the photographer is setting his shadows and values for the photograph, not the artist - you generally can't see the forms clearly. Real photo reference is well lit, and you can see everything.

[Anonymous No.2972685]

>>2972619
I would highly recommend you stop drawing on graph paper. The grid will create optical illusions and it will be harder (if not impossible) to keep it from interfering with your drawing.

Blank paper, please. You're only holding yourself back on graph paper, unless you're using the grid method to scale a photograph - and even then, the grid should be drawn lightly, so it can be erased.

[Anonymous No.2972686]

>>2972668
You have to learn to start drawing the lines "things" are made up of instead of just "things" or else your brain fucks you over and makes you draw your own (wrong) preconception of a "thing".
Trying drawing that same image upside down to eliminate your ability to recognise the features, and then just focus on copying the jumble of lines you see as best you can. You'll learn to do it the right way up with practice.

>>2972671
If you want to draw cute anime grills then draw cute anime grills. Don't fall for the western art meme.

[NoseBro No.2972687]

>>2972480
do you got a full rez of the pic?

[Anonymous No.2972689]

is it better to draw human skeletons at the beginning or i can learn anatomy from drawing some characters? also drawing hunders circles, lines etc will help me or it's waste of time?

[Anonymous No.2972690]

>>2972686
Is there a guide for Japanese art do I can be pixiv worthy?

[Anonymous No.2972696]

How'd I do?

[Anonymous No.2972698]

Here it is again with a hampton book open next to me
>>2972666
>>2972686
I'll try it again upside down of this doesn't look right

[Anonymous No.2972701]

>>2972525
Sorry, but I don't see a way to help you anymore other than suggesting to actually learn Loomis or Reilly's head construction methods and apply them. I have literally no idea how could one fail at this for so long and with all these suggestions. My critique doesn't seem to work for you, so I won't bother anymore. I already gave you all the advice I could give, and I must really suck at being a teacher if you are unable to draw a completely acceptable head after all this time.

>>2972690
If you have a look at pixiv, it's full of complete shit. Child drawings? No big deal. Shitty smartphone photos? Comes in all sizes and degrees. No improvement after five years? Why, there are loads of artists like that there. Pixiv is really no different from DeviantArt, dude, other than being a Japanese site with an incomplete English translation.
That, and it also has less non-Asian and non-English people. The downside is that you have to try harder (maybe) to get noticed by senpais, and it's almost impossible if you don't target the Japanese auditory specifically.

>>2972696
She's ugly, but I imagine it is no different from the reference photo.

[Anonymous No.2972710]

>>2972685
Sure, thanks.

[Anonymous No.2972711]

absolute beginner here. this is one of not even a dozen times ive picked up a pencil in the last 5-6 years. i want to do this.

will i ever be able to stop slanting any stroke i make? i dont think im even holding a pencil correctly. it feels like im fucked. all i feel is constant anxiety but i really want to create

[Anonymous No.2972717]

>>2972698
You're not looking closely enough. Take her eye - you have a wierd shape to the open eye that doesn't take into account it's a curve going over a round shape, and then inwards. You haven't drawn the shape of the eyeball, you just have her iris floating in the eye hole shape. You don't have the shape of her nose correct at all. You don't have the contour of her face on the right side at all. She has no chin. You have the shape of the lips all wrong. Her hair has shape, and you just kind of guessed where it should be, without taking into account how the hair falls, and where her hairline is, and the grain of the hair. (the direction) The neck is completely wrong. The ear is just completely wrong. It's right there in front of you, LOOK at it, and draw it's shape.

It's also a really good idea to erase construction lines once you have the basic shape formed, all those extra lines are distracting you and the viewer.

You're too worried about it fitting the construction references anyway, which are really just guidelines, and not the actual forms and structures of her face.

Judging by the size of the pencil strokes, you're drawing too small, too.

[Anonymous No.2972721]

>>2972651
fatty

[Anonymous No.2972722]

Hey /ic/, fairly new to art in general. I've done a bit of really mediocre/bad sketching here and there, but I'm interested in getting good so that I may be able to draw from my imagination and represent it accurately. Very interested in painting as well.
Could yall recommend to me a free online course of some sort, perhaps on youtube or something?

[Anonymous No.2972724]

Why the hell are all the refs handsome nude men? Is /ic/ gay or some shit?

[Anonymous No.2972731]

>>2972711
i just dont feel like im even fit to hold one. my eyes have trouble focusing, creativity is stunted. i dont know if posture has anything to do with it either. perhaps im overthinking everything, but the little things dont come natural to me.
basically, is there a good seating position when drawing because i feel like this shitty chair and my fat ass is preventing any sort of progress

[Anonymous No.2972732]

>>2972711
First of all, stop whining.

Second, holding a pencil is easy: see attached.

Third, art is about practice. Start with the simplest shapes - lines and squares, and get more complex as you get more comfortable drawing and controlling the pencil. Read the threads where the art beginner books are posted, and download a couple, and try the beginner exercises. If at all possible, take a beginning art course at a community college or adult education program, or if you can afford it, 4 year school.

[Anonymous No.2972733]

>>2972724
OP is a grill with good taste.

[Anonymous No.2972736]

>>2972721
Well, that was constructive. Don't be an asshole, m'kay?

[Anonymous No.2972737]

>>2972724
It is more like the OP is attracted to male bodies... Idk, maybe the OP is female.

[Anonymous No.2972738]

>>2972690
https://archive.org/details/SketchingMangaStyleVol.1SketchingToPlan
Aside from stuff like this: Observation, observation. See how drawfags draw and try and put it into practice.

>>2972698
You're using more construction lines than actual study which is equivalent to just making shit up. Draw what is THERE. NOT what you THINK is there.

>>2972711
>>2972732
Unfortunately getting good at drawing requires you to draw. Stop making excuses, put pencil to paper and then draw badly in order to eventually draw well.
>>2972722
Read the sticky.

[Anonymous No.2972739]

>>2972717
my strokes are horrible whenever I draw large and I don't know how to fix that so drawing small has become a bad habit

[Anonymous No.2972740]

>>2972724
If you think drawing the male figure is gay, sell or give away your art shit, and go take up fantasy football or something. Your attitude will not work with art. Drawing a man does not make you gay, even if it's in an erotic context. If you can't handle that, don't fucking bother with art.

I'm not even the least bit gay, but I have zero patience for that shit in art.

[Anonymous No.2972741]

>>2972733
Oh yeah I forget this board is like 50% female.

[Anonymous No.2972743]

>>2972738
Where the fuck did I tell him not to draw, Captain Wellactshually?

[Anonymous No.2972745]

>>2972740
No no I didn't mean it like that I was just wondering why no female refs, I've drawn nude men irl before.

[Rakesh No.2972747]

>>2972740
well I've never agreed with anyone more on this thread

[Anonymous No.2972751]

>>2972738
>Read the sticky.
I did, I'm simply asking amongst the community for this very specific request. There was a lot of information on the two links, but I had trouble finding free video courses. Perhaps I missed it or didn't look hard enough, but yeah.

[Anonymous No.2972752]

>>2972743
Wellactshually, I was concurring with what you said. I obviously didn't make that clear.
>>2972740
>tl;dr: no homo

[Anonymous No.2972763]

>>2972701
I'd give up on me, too, to be honest. Thank you very much for all of the advice, though; I'm sure it would have been far more useful had I payed closer attention to it. You don't suck at being a teacher, my neuroplasticity is dead is all, and people like me can't really learn much from anyone

Anyway: drawing is a skill anyone can train, perhaps this was just the incorrect method. There was someone who was fed up of me posting here anyways, so I'll promise to stop

[Cuestionador No.2972783]

I know /ic/, this is the worst utter cringe fucking nigger shit i ever made. Tell me something i didnt know.

[Anonymous No.2972788]

is it a bad idea to draw in bed or lay down or should i always be at a desk to draw? sitting so upright doesnt feel natural for my lethargic piece of shit body

[Anonymous No.2972793]

>>2972783
With something like that an inaccuracy just looks like a stylistic choice; it's too hard to judge.

>>2972788
It's a bad idea to be a lethargic piece of shit, full stop.

[Anonymous No.2972798]

>>2972793
i cant

[Anonymous No.2972800]

>>2972689
>also drawing hunders circles, lines etc will help me or it's waste of time?
The point is to train your mechanical skill. If you're even asking this, chances are your mechanical skills are shit. Can you draw a straight line between two points accurately? Can you consistently and cleanly draw an ellipse of the size you want? If not, keep practicing.

[Anonymous No.2972810]

How and where should I hold my pen/pencil?

[Anonymous No.2972821]

>>2972679
He draws on cheap brown paper, then changes the contrast.

[Anonymous No.2972822]

>>2972800
i can draw straight line and sometimes draw perfect ellipse but i dont feel like im improving anything, maybe more practice.

btw if i want to draw digitally in general can i start from there or better start with pencil and paper and later move to graphic tablet?

[Anonymous No.2972824]

>>2972653
No, it's observation. Training your eye to see shapes, form and how light effect different surfaces. It works better when it's real thing or person in front of you but using Photos is okay. As long as you keep in mind that the image is a representation of a real 3D form.

[Anonymous No.2972833]

>>2972689
Drawing simple geometric shapes helps with your motor skills, hand eye coordination etc...

Also if you simplify a complex objects you'll find that they're made of these simple geometric shapes.

You don't have to draw a perfect shape or a straight line with 100% accuracy before learning other stuff. Motor skills takes time and as long as you take a few minutes a day to do these exercises it's inevitable that you're going to get good at it.

Take it as warm up before you jump into serious studies. do a page of circles, a page of ghosting lines etc..

[Anonymous No.2972835]

What's fucked?

[Anonymous No.2972838]

>>2972763
Don't fuck around with the contrast before you post is all. Brown paper is fine to post, you strip a lot of information away when you turn it into binary black/white.

[Anonymous No.2972853]

>>2972835
everything

[Anonymous No.2972859]

>>2972853
at last I truly see
thank you for this kind word

[Anonymous No.2972863]

>>2972651
dont sign your studies, that's for queers and steers

[Anonymous No.2972864]

>>2972282
I advise everyone to check this out and hear how it is from the famous side of things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TohnMXdY5aY

[Anonymous No.2972881]

Anyone know what exactly they study in the FZD school?

I stumbled across one of their videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rI6q6bv7do
and it really spoke out to me and made me realize that I've just been learning muscle memory this whole time.

[Anonymous No.2972897]

how am i supposed to draw eyes with these?
One wrong line and im fucked.

[Anonymous No.2972901]

>>2972721
p-pls

>>2972863
I read the beginning of DOTRSOTB and it said to sign and date everything

I always noticed a hate for signing, why is that? Is it pretentious?

[Anonymous No.2972904]

>>2972901
you can sign it when you're better than loomis

[Anonymous No.2972908]

>>2972901
date everything so you can see that you're improving, but signing stuff not meant for admiration is like jerking off to a mirror, it will only give you self importance that you don't need.

[Anonymous No.2972909]

boom

[Anonymous No.2972911]

boom

[Anonymous No.2972916]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU THIS SHIT TOOK ME 20 MINUTES

[Anonymous No.2972917]

>>2972916
>JUSTFUCKMYSHITUP.jpg

[Anonymous No.2972921]

>>2972916
remember 1 eye width space between the eyes.

[Anonymous No.2972924]

>>2972921
the guy I'm trying to draw has spacey eyes

[Anonymous No.2972929]

I was following /ic/'s recommended books, notably Keys to Drawing a year or so ago and i had to stop drawing due to unforeseen events.

I now bought a tablet and have been doodling around with it since i want to get back to drawing. This shit is very fun, been at it all day. Ten times better than drawing on paper.

However, i noticed i lost the little skill i had in photocopy. Should i start Keys to Drawing all over again?

>>2972911
I'm not at the level to give you critique, but it's cute.

[Anonymous No.2972931]

>>2972835
Work on that ear it will help place the head in perspective better and I think you need eyebrows because right now those just look like the superior palpebral crease and idk if thats what you were going for

[Anonymous No.2972932]

any advice? thanks

[Anonymous No.2972971]

What I'm supposed to do next? Lineart?
If lineart Which pen can I use?

[Anonymous No.2972990]

could i get some critz on this? i cant for the life of me do the eyelashes correctly. Ill post the ref shortly after this.

[Anonymous No.2972991]

>>2972990
reference pic

[Anonymous No.2972993]

>>2972990
How do your favorite artists render eyelashes?

[Anonymous No.2972997]

>>2972990
if you put that cast shadow in that the eyelid makes on the eyeball it might make it look nicer

[Anonymous No.2973001]

>>2972916
1.follow resize rules
2.sticky or draw what you see man no offense that is really bad

[Anonymous No.2973004]

>>2972751
http://drawabox.com/
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/

[Akirel No.2973009]

Posted this at the end cycle of the last thread. Critiques?

[Anonymous No.2973010]

>>2972667
I just got this joke. I should read filenames more often.

[Anonymous No.2973014]

>>2972853
Anime stylization is a little weird for me but here's a quick 5 minute edit

[Anonymous No.2973015]

How long do you find you spend on a sketch? I struggle to have more patience than spending 10-15 minutes on a sketch, unless I plan to make it a completed one. If I'm practicing and only drawing what I see (like in Dodson's book, practice the 3/4 eye view) and ONLY drawing the eyes and the bridge of the nose, I find it difficult to devote more than 15 minutes to it since I'm not adding more features. They end up looking like floating eyes, but it helps me understand that eyes are way more complex than I originally thought.

I guess I'm just impatient. I want to get good, but I know I need to practice so I'm avoiding drawing what I "want" to draw in favour of learning fundamentals and practicing them... but am I expected to spend 30+ minutes on one fundamental practice (instead of starting a new one), and am I expected to do this for months and months before I even begin to do what I want to do?

Also this eye practice makes me realize I'm shit at symmetry.

[Anonymous No.2973017]

>>2973009
not /beg/

[Anonymous No.2973018]

>>2973009
probably above the level for this thread, you'd get better critique in the draw thread desu

[Anonymous No.2973019]

>>2972993
i don't really have a favorite artist.i tried watching a tutorial on how to do it but it still ends up looking like i just put a bunch of stray lines on the bottom of her eye rather than them looking like they're a "part" of her.
>>2972997
thanks for the tip dude ill give it a try.

[Anonymous No.2973023]

>>2973015
I've found that 90% of mistakes are made in the initial stages of a drawing, so spending a lot of time making sure your sketches are good isn't a waste of time.

Aside from that, I think you're "allowed" to spice things up with what you wanna draw in between your fundamentals. And you oughta be applying your fundamentals to your other stuff anyways, so you'll get even more practice out of it. And drawing what you like is a good way to keep your motivation up too; drawing's a bitch when you're not really into what you're making.

[Anonymous No.2973028]

>>2973023

That's true. I really did just start about three hours ago, so I'm copying a famous artist's "handwriting" which is boring as shit. It's not really something I plan to draw nor a style I plan to emulate, but I understand why I'm doing it.

I WILL admit my reasons for wanting to draw are kind of selfish. I want to put to paper/the screen what I imagine, and what I want to see, and be able to do more than admire something interesting or pretty. So if I were to draw what I wanted to draw, it'd be likely figures, which is way beyond what I'm capable of now.

[Anonymous No.2973031]

>>2972911
Collarbones are a bit low and the ear is attached to her hair.

[Anonymous No.2973033]

>>2973015
>I struggle to have more patience than spending 10-15 minutes on a sketch, unless I plan to make it a completed one
That has to change if you want to be an artist.

>They end up looking like floating eyes
Well yeah, if you wanted to see only segments of the head, then that's all you'll learn how to draw.

>I want to get good, but I know I need to practice so I'm avoiding drawing what I "want" to draw in favour of learning fundamentals and practicing them
See, you're thinking too much about the time involved. You're not thinking enough of the subject matter. What is the difference between drawing what you want and learning the fundamentals? They should all tie in together. Study shouldn't feel like a pointless exercise that you get bored of. It should feel like the next logical step in order to achieve the kind of drawing you want. If you're interested in what you're learning and want to improve in that direction, then you're not going to be so concerned about time, and you won't feel like you lack direction. So find a way to make studying drawing and drawing what you want be the same thing.

[Anonymous No.2973037]

>>2973033

I figured I should closely follow the sticky and the suggested exercise books, since I don't really have any groundwork for artistry just yet. But I'd like to start drawing people, rather than animals or objects, even though I know I should so I can start to appreciate how to draw shapes, lines, and the like before tackling a person.

[Anonymous No.2973047]

>>2972282
self portrait. i was fucking around at first and started trying halfway through but it still turned out p bad

[Anonymous No.2973050]

>>2973047
That's pretty cool desu.

[Anonymous No.2973076]

>>2973037
The early beginner exercises shouldn't take long. They're just primers to help you get started drawing more complex things. Ultimately though, animals, objects, and people can be simplified to basic geometric shapes, volume, and light. All you really need is a basic grasp of those things to start drawing people. You should do basic form studies, draw simple objects from life, think about how light works. Then after that, just jump straight into figure drawing. Animals are not necessary at all.

[Anonymous No.2973166]

>>2972763
I don't think you need to stop posting here or drawing at all; there might be someone who would find the right approach for you. But you do have to reconsider your ways if you want to git gud at drawing humans from imagination. You mainly fail at perspective, and I don't see any way to explain it to you other than "you have to stop goofing around and finally learn a good construction method."

>>2973015
If I don't have a clear idea in my head, I can shit it out for hours.
If I do, it takes from 5 to 30 minutes to draw a very rough sketch. After that it gets really meditative and autistic.

[Anonymous No.2973172]

I just wanted to share my first painting after 2 months of starting to learn to draw and following these threads. I've been drawing construction, figures and boxes and gesture since the very beginning but have been avoiding colors due to not feeling ready for them yet. But only doing that stuff was really making me hate drawing.

Tonight I ditched grinding fundamentals and made this. I'm honestly so relieved that I was able to make something somewhat close to what I had an idea for. I really feel like I'm starting to improve from drawing stick figures.

It's heavily stylized, unrefined as fuck, and unintentionally borderline furshit but I'm proud as fuck of it.

[Anonymous No.2973173]

>>2973172
Good job, anon. Keep at it, you're gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.2973178]

>>2973172
>borderline furshit

it has a snout, its pretty much furshit, but godo work

[Anonymous No.2973181]

>>2973172
Good stuff Anon. Keep at it and you'll be really great.

[Anonymous No.2973184]

Would copying old war photos be a bad way to practice charcoal?

[Anonymous No.2973185]

>>2973184
You can do whatever you want as long as you strive to improve.

[Anonymous No.2973199]

>>2972286

[Anonymous No.2973211]

>>2973199
A lot of your value transitions are too soft (most notably around arms) It makes his skin look like a strange texture. Mix between hard and soft to get a realistic look. Also you might want to actaully paint (or at the very least, block in) your background instead of painting on direct white/black as it fucks with your perception of value.

[Anonymous No.2973212]

I'm >>2972916 and it was my first drawing in three months and before that my first drawing ever since I was a kid. I have no idea how to start drawing, I figured I would try to draw whatever I feel like but this is already impossible. I already read the sticky, I just don't know which book should I start with, how and what do I practice. I need guidance.

Thanks

[Anonymous No.2973219]

>>2973211
but can you name the 7 types of edge? most people can only manage 4

[Anonymous No.2973225]

>>2973009
Huge improvement. Definitely a big step foward. You did most of what I suggested - is there any of it you don't understand?

Keep going. You could probably leave this one alone for now, and work on more to explore the things you learned from this one. You can always go back to it later. The next step from here is to refine your brush strokes more, for more smooth blending, and tightening up details, working with smaller brushes.

But compared to what it was last time, great job. The face really "pops" now, and has a life and vitality to it. The color scheme is working better too.

[Anonymous No.2973243]

Friendly reminder that drawing cubes is a waste of time.

You should be drawing ovals.

[Anonymous No.2973244]

Trying to draw with photo reference, tried flipping the image upside down, but I'm struggling to get the exact curves, lengths, angles etc. Is it a grind practice or am I missing much more

[Anonymous No.2973245]

>>2973243
ellipses?

[Anonymous No.2973247]

>>2973245
No, there's a tool for that. Waste of time.

[Anonymous No.2973248]

>>2973247
use the pen tool and you don't have to learn to draw anything

[Anonymous No.2973250]

>>2973244
When repeatedly drawing the same skulls from SkullSketcher, I noticed something new in the model with each copy. So, I guess, yes, it's supposed to be grinding until you begin to notice the smallest details from the start.

[Anonymous No.2973251]

>>2973248

[Anonymous No.2973256]

>>2973244
It's just your autism that kicks in.

[Akirel No.2973266]

>>2973225
>Huge improvement. Definitely a big step foward. You did most of what I suggested - is there any of it you don't understand?

No, I understood everything. Just wasn't sure it would serve my original idea well. But I figured I'd do it anyway and see what would happen.


>Keep going. You could probably leave this one alone for now, and work on more to explore the things you learned from this one. You can always go back to it later. The next step from here is to refine your brush strokes more, for more smooth blending, and tightening up details, working with smaller brushes.

I don't mind continuing to refine it. Though, I think I'll have to bump up the resolution a bit. It's only 3k tall. I might continue to work on it over a long period of time. I know those ears need to be redone completely, and a lot of the hair locks aren't reading in any meaningful way. I also feel like the piece is overall too vivid. I'd like to kick the saturation back a bit, keep the hues as they are and pick key places in the composition to increase the vibrancy of the color.

>But compared to what it was last time, great job. The face really "pops" now, and has a life and vitality to it. The color scheme is working better too.

Yeah, I got lucky with it. Thanks for the critique~

[Anonymous No.2973272]

Where can I find pictures of frogs? I want to get really good at drawing frogs so I can make memes.

[Anonymous No.2973274]

>>2973272
google

[Anonymous No.2973287]

>>2973272
bing

[Anonymous No.2973292]

>>2973287
bing is amazing for image searches actually. Gotta hand it to microsoft to make something that isn't a piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.2973293]

>>2973292
thats not true

i searched for puffy vulva and the results were very underwhelming

[Anonymous No.2973317]

>>2972474
>photo study
>fancy term

k

[Anonymous No.2973324]

worked some more on these. i can't tell if im making them look 'unique' enough

[Anonymous No.2973325]

>>2972897
sketch out with pencil first

[Anonymous No.2973327]

What happens to the volumes of the thigh/leg when you rotate it to the outside like this?
I can't find any good reference.

[Anonymous No.2973337]

>>2973272
pinterest

>>2973244
Depends on your goal. If you want to get good at copying this exact piece I'd say you should overlay your copy with the original and make marks where you went off. Fix those mistakes in the next run. Repeat until you are able to do a perfect copy. It also helps to trace the picture to get a better understanding.

That said, I think the amount of time and effort it'd take for you to create a perfect copy would be better spent in generally analyzing a certain style by deconstructing it so you can create your own characters in that drawing style.

>>2973199
Pretty good values for a /beg/inner, but the rendering makes it look like plastic (especially the pecs and arms). I like the face, looks like you put effort in it. The abs, however, look really bad. I feel like you could've done better.

>>2972971
I'd say do more of those, but if you're looking to move to pen, I'd go for a Pigma Microns set or a Faber-Castell PITT set for starting out.

>>2972932
You put highly stylized heads on mannequin bodies, which makes it look really bad. I'd suggest you to try to keep the proportions more realistic when practicing figure drawing. Your construction is pretty weak, but you seem to have a sense of gesture.
If you want to generally improve your drawing over a longer period of time, I'd recommend Peter Han's course on Dynamic Sketching (or drawabox) for bettering your understanding of volumes. (Do life drawings!) Before moving on to Michael Hampton's Design and Invention. (Proko's and Vilppu's videos are a great addition.)
If you want to get good at anime, study stylisation! Look up artist you like and deliberately study their style. Try to remember how they drew it when drawing from imagination.

>>2972897
Kneaded erasers do wonders if the coal is softly applied. Alternatively: White chalk.
Don't worry too much about details though, try to concentrate more on blocking in the values instead. (Think of the surface planes of the face.)

[Anonymous No.2973343]

How is it going?
What do I move/add whatever.

[Anonymous No.2973361]

last time i went here and asked for critique i got smashed, i think ive improved abit so please some critique again.

[Anonymous No.2973363]

>>2973361
Reference?

[Anonymous No.2973364]

>when you realize that your drawings are only 99.9% shit instead of 100% shit

P-progress!

[Anonymous No.2973365]

Is my construction okay?

[Anonymous No.2973367]

>>2973365
>those balls

[Anonymous No.2973368]

>>2973365

[Anonymous No.2973372]

>>2973364
Omedetou!

>>2973365
No. Absolutely not. And the most horrid region is also the most noticeable.

[Anonymous No.2973386]

I'm currently studying the Reilly method. Am I doing it right, Anon?

[Anonymous No.2973403]

>>2973386

what resource are you using to learn it?

[Anonymous No.2973406]

>>2973386
Well, it seems like either his mouth (along with his lips) or nis nose is off-axis, to left and right of the picture respectively You can move the mouth like that though, but if you did not intend that, then it's NG. The back of the head has a pretty weird shape. It is concave while it should be rounder. And borders of the forehead are asymmetric.

Aside from that, it doesn't look wrong.

[Anonymous No.2973414]

Drawing skills aside, how do you improve your creativity? Like your ability to come up with aesthetic characters and creatures and stuff from your imagination?

[Anonymous No.2973417]

>>2973363
None, i just wanted to make a cute grill

[Anonymous No.2973420]

>>2973343
I don't have any useful critique, but

muh dick

[Anonymous No.2973442]

>>2972344
grind faces

[Anonymous No.2973446]

>>2973442
l-lewd!

[Anonymous No.2973451]

>>2973446
hot!

[Anonymous No.2973453]

>>2973403
I've watched a few videos by Bradwynn Jones on Youtube. Sadly I haven't found any books covering Reilly's method.

>>2973406
Thanks. I'll fix that.

[Anonymous No.2973464]

>>2973365
seems like you studied anatomy before understanding perspective. the bodyparts themself look decent, but they're all misalingned. did you practice the muscles one by one withou putting them together?

do:
-recap gesture
-recap volume
-study basic perspective

[Anonymous No.2973484]

>>2972701
>She's ugly, but I imagine it is no different from the reference photo.
ok but do you have constructive feedback? How can I improve my lines/make it look more confident? What stands out as /beg/?

[Anonymous No.2973499]

>>2973464
I did, I read Loomis's, I'm still in the middle of Hampton's and Bridgman's. Bridgman is pretty complex. What does recap volume mean?

[Anonymous No.2973500]

>>2972431
Youre gonna make it

[Anonymous No.2973512]

>>2972783
Pretty decent lines desu. Try ti draw a real mouth next time, like use a reference.

[Anonymous No.2973513]

>>2973499
Hampton has a short chapter on that with some exercises (like rotating boxes). Generally it means that you're able to draw objects (forms) in perspective. From the image posted it's hard to tell how well you already understand form, but you definitely lack in aligning the objects correctly in perspective. Practice some mannequinization where you pay attention to the most basic forms (sphere for head, boxes for ribcage/ pelvis, cylinders for limbs)

Keep going, you work isn't half bad, it just lacks structure.

[Anonymous No.2973514]

I am just getting back into drawing after I stopped in HS. Everything except the little fox in the bottom right corner are copies, the thing in the bottom left is from a playing card, and I know the cartoon squirrel is shit.

[Anonymous No.2973516]

>>2973484
I don't. There's no flaws that I'm able to tell without having a closer look at the reference, but I imagine that I would be too disgusted to inspect the reference closely. Sry, I just really dislike faces like this.
Although that area seems kinda dubious. I mean that patch of lighter color between two dark ones. Mind explaining what it is?

[Anonymous No.2973527]

>>2973513
Thanks man
>>2973500
You too, anon
>>2973514
You should start again

[Anonymous No.2973568]

How do I improve this? I find this pose pretty hard to do because of overlapping pieces everywhere and the perspective. References are hard to find too.

[Anonymous No.2973570]

>>2973568
You could try doing the pose yourself.
Also the left shoulder looks weird

[Anonymous No.2973574]

>>2973570
Hmm, I thought about that, but was too worried about having to find a mirror. Maybe doing it even without one would be good.

[Anonymous No.2973592]

>>2973337

>>2973244 here

I want to eventually draw from imagination, but I'm trying to improve line/stroke quality while practicing other things in the side love construction.

Can you elaborate on deconstructing? How would one approach that?

[Anonymous No.2973601]

>>2973442
will do, anon!

[Anonymous No.2973605]

>>2973516
It's where the hair is tucked inside the sweater and some stray hairs are coming out to the left of it. What do you mean "faces like this"?

[Anonymous No.2973610]

>>2972344
>>2973601

These are good drawings in a satisfying style, but they're missing the likeness. Your foreheads & eye shapes are deviating a bit too much from what the persons features are.

[Anonymous No.2973617]

>>2973605
No, you see, this clear division between them suggests that the border of her neck is where the dark patch ends (at 2 o' clock of the "circle"), which is impossible anatomically. I can't see any logical reason for such a sudden shift in values there.

>> What do you mean "faces like this"?
Aging unattractive women with pronounced lips. I won't explain further as I can't explain it better.

[Anonymous No.2973621]

>>2973570
Kek, even without a mirror it actually helped. I don't know why sometimes I don't think about those simple things.

[Anonymous No.2973641]

>>2973601
You have the same problem that I have. Drawing eyes and nose larger than they actually are. Be aware of this anon! Every time you're about to draw eyes/nose take a moment and observe the image again.

[Anonymous No.2973646]

>>2973621
It did, but you have to have more consideration for anatomy (the body seems unproportionally long compared to its width; thighs are Buchenwald-tier) and foreshortening.

[Anonymous No.2973651]

Hi, do you have any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.2973653]

>>2973646
I see. Didn't help my body is almost a walking skeleton.

Also, the holocaust is a lie.

[PipSQK No.2973658]

So, to anyone whose had to go through thick and thin. I'm currently doing gestures to better improve and express my ideas. I'm currently doing a comic that deals with (Mostly) Cartoon Characters and whatever else. I've been doing gestures for 4 days now (and I admit i did manage to miss a day or two doing gestures).
Anyway i wanna ask anyone who is confident in their knowledge of gestures aside from Loomis (haven't gotten to that book) and Hampton (The book i'm on) What are other books that will help, I'm not just looking for gestures but something else to practice while i gesture like anatomy or rendering and etc...

Sorry if the cartoon character isn't appropriate i just wanted to see how well figures and gesture translated to how i drew them.

[Anonymous No.2973670]

>>2973617
Oh right I think it was where there was hair more towards the background with a darker value and I guess I just sorta forgot to make the transition less jarring

>Aging unattractive women with pronounced lips
She's meant to be young so I've clearly not made her look youthful enough

Thanks for value thing as well

[Cuestionador No.2973698]

>>2973512
Thanks Anon!

[Anonymous No.2973699]

Should i copy this picture or is there too much shit going on for a beginner?

[Anonymous No.2973702]

>>2973699
What do you think you're gaining from copying this?

[Anonymous No.2973703]

>>2973592
>Can you elaborate on deconstructing?
You analyze the components of the drawing: What shapes does the artist use? What colors? Values? How does that influence the composition?
How is the drawing stylized? What are they exaggerating/ what are they simplifying?
What design elements where used? Where did the artist get their ideas? What where their idols, their influences, their references?

Of course to analyze properly you must be knowledgable with the basics of drawing. If you can't break something down into shapes/ forms you will have trouble.
(When people in here talk about "work on your construction" they actually mean the ability to deconstruct a complex object into simple forms)

You gotta know the rules to break them; that's why I would recommend you to study the fundamentals before trying to emulate a specific style.

Alternatively you can just do thousands of copies until you get a feel for it. Copying gives you milage and can teach you how a specific artist draws something, but it will only be superficial and you won't understand his process. If you don't mind style over substance, go for it.

There are no shortcuts though. Wether you work through your fundies or (mindlessly) copy, it will take you a lot of time to get good. Very few people manage to get decent in a year or two, but don't let that disencourage you. It's not a sprint, but an open ended marathon, where you will eventually leave those you started with behind and catch up with those you adore. Just draw everyday, your approach doesn't matter in the end. Just draw.

[Anonymous No.2973706]

>>2973702
A tiny idea of anatomy, fabric, lightning and perspective.

[Anonymous No.2973712]

>>2973703
Thanks, I have a routine where I do a bit of fundies studies, copy a drawing (like pic I uploaded) to work on removing symbol drawing, and then free draw something to have fun. I try to implement all 3 daily but most of the time I can only fit 1 or 2 of the 3 drawings.

[Anonymous No.2973713]

>>2973670
Young women shouldn't have so much loose skin on their face.

>>2973653
Holocaust might be a lie, but Buchenwald isn't, just as its prisoners and terrors.

>>2973658
When one says "gestures," I immediately think of Vilppu now. Thanks for Pavloving me, /ic/.
As for you, I don't think you need any of that shit anymore. Although the pose of the closest fighter in the upper right corner doesn't look natural at all, I don't think there's anything else one can pick on. Your lines are good too.

>>2973699
It never hurts to try. Besides, the higher standards you set before yourself, the faster you learn. But you must mind that this is a painting, not a photo. Copying from a painting helps you learn the artist's techniques, but the result will likely lack something. It's like translating a translation. However good it may be, it can't be always perfectly consistent with the original, leading the translator further away from it.

[Anonymous No.2973719]

>>2973712
>copies a drawing a day
>works on 'removing symbol drawing'
Not to be rude, but copying random anime pictures without understanding the fundamentals is basically teaching you symbol drawing. This makes your process seem a bit... inefficient.

>a bit of fundies studies
I'd really suggest to take a more structured approach, this seems like you just do whatever. What's your endgoal anyway?

[Anonymous No.2973721]

Hey, i really want to draw digitally and should i start drawing on tablet and learn basics there or maybe learn some basics on paper and after this move to digital?

[Anonymous No.2973722]

>>2973719
I was told to take photo references and focus on drawing what you see was how to remove symbol drawing. How would I do it then?

My end goal is just to draw cute shit from imagination, I don't really have a goal to be professional or make money. If there's a more efficient approach I'm all for trying it. I must started 2 weeks ago and never picked up a pencil to draw before that point

[Anonymous No.2973730]

How should I train my line drawing skills if I'm a beginner? Is making a bunch of dots and trying to connect them a good way to practice?

[Anonymous No.2973750]

May I ask for a better version of this, I just want to know what could have been

[Anonymous No.2973756]

>>2973453
buy nathan fowkes' portrait drawing book

[Anonymous No.2973779]

>mfw krita stops working again.
I thought it was fine after I opened it after a while now it's laggin. Maybe it's my wacom intous...maybe I should stop being a poorfag and buy a new software.

[Anonymous No.2973784]

Anon's Guide to Drawing Anime Girls (for the casual artist)

Step 1: Draw everyday; if you manage for 2-3 hours. Doesn't sound much, but I'm you'll be around the average /ic/ user, if not above.
2-3 hours of concentrated work, depending on how much effort you're willing to put into your craft/ how much fun you have while drawing.

Step 2: Get your basic resources/ learning material. I made you a list that will help you to become intermediate within half a year.

Books/courses to learn from (in order):
- Keys to Drawing
- Drawabox (Lesson 1&2)
- Proko (Figure Drawing Series)
- Hampton's Design and Invention

Figure Drawing references:
- croquis café (YT)
- new master's academy (YT)
- lineofaction .com

Step 3: Consistency is key. Have a schedule. Make drawing a habit. You don't have to plan drawing, but knowing what you an and want to achieve within a day/week/month will help you to improve faster. An example for spending the 2-3 hours you have would be:

Before work/school/uni:
30min master study - copy an artist you like
30min imagination - try to recreate what you learned from memory

After work/school/uni:
60 min - Draw from life/ Practice figure drawing
30 min - Read/ watch a drawing lesson
30 min - Apply what you learned and do the exercises. (If you can, before you go to sleep, it will help you remember what you learned)

Tips:
For the copy/redraw exercise I would stick to one or two artists at a time. You want to understand how they draw stuff, so even if you can't analyze them with words yet, you will be able to do it intuitively. Studying too many artists will leave you only with the superficial things you learned - your own interpretation (symbol drawing) on how to draw cute anime girls.

Be sure to study artist that you know are good, don't be afraid of aiming too high. Many beginners look for super simpified stuff and ignore the fact that you need a really good understanding of the human figure to get them right from imagination.

[Anonymous No.2973787]

>>2973722
I'm having a connection error and somehow can't sent my original message, but I managed to post you a guide that might help you >>2973784

[Anonymous No.2973794]

>>2973787
Thanks m8. Screenshotted.

[Anonymous No.2973799]

>>2973730
Yes. Basically the whole first lesson of drawabox. That's for deliberate line exercises, you can of course just draw a lot in general. Just use your shoulder.

>>2973722

>>2973722
>drawing what you see was how to remove symbol drawing
There is actually a difference between correct measurement or 'drawing what's there' and avoiding 'symbol drawing'.

If you copy a two dimentional thing you will always copy symbols. This is less apparent in photos, since correct measurement will give you correct looking results. But you still copied a 2-D image, a symbol.
If you really want to learn how to draw, go outside, it will naturally increase your drawing skills even without books, since you have to learn to convert a 3D object into a 2D one. (That said, don't stop measuring, but try to draw through the forms. That's something much easier achieved in real life.)

[Anonymous No.2973805]

>>2973784
but if i dont have any fav artists where i can found them?
>type "cute anime grils artists"
but really

[Anonymous No.2973819]

>>2973805
Browse pixiv for some of your favourite anime/vidya series and eventually you'll have one

[Anonymous No.2973827]

>>2973784
I don't do my best work early in the morning, but I'll give it a shot for a couple weeks. Do you not recommend doing all of a days drawing in one session?

[Anonymous No.2973832]

How many months should I spend on the first drawabox lesson?

[Anonymous No.2973841]

>>2973784
Is there a guide for the tryhard artist? A hard mode? Cuz I've actually studies those books/sources for some years and I'm not intermediate.

[Anonymous No.2973844]

>>2973841
Post art?

[Anonymous No.2973848]

>>2973827
It depends on your life, really. If you don't work well in the morning and have no troubles concentrating for 3h straight after work/school/whatever, go for it. Personally I like drawing before work, since it helps getting into the habit (like brushing teeth) and starts the day with a positive experience ("Hey, I finished something!").

There is no perfect solution, this is more to give you an idea, than to tell you what exactly you have to do and when. From my own experience I found stuff like this helpful when I started out, since the sheer amount of available resources overwhelmed me. I would say as long as you keep drawing with purpose you can handle your schedule however you want. The only reason I don't recommend to soley study from books/ courses is that it can burn you out quickly and it will take a good while until you get to learning material that is directly relevant for drawing cute anime girls.

Another important thing: If you are in the flow, don't let your schedule stop you! If you need longer for your life drawing or studying the book, take your time - spending more time doesn't hurt. And if you learn something from it, it's okay if another exercise falls flat that day. Push yourself to draw every day but try to follow your guts.

[Anonymous No.2973858]

>>2973841
For years? I studied them over the course of half a year and they helped me improve immensely. Chances are that you didn't study them properly or that your understanding of intermediate is skewed by /ic/s views; hard to tell without evidence of your skill level.

There actually is a guide for tryhard artists, it's called Aguri's One Year Guide and is way better than the meme book list I see on /ic/ from time to time. Here's the link:

https://track4.mixtape.moe/dyiars.pdf

If you want to get better at figures and look a bit deeper into anatomy, I would recommend studying Bammes or Bridgman next. If you are already decent at figure drawing you might want to do some master studies of your favorite artist that go beyond merely copying their lines.

[Anonymous No.2973862]

>>2973848
I appreciate you taking the time to write all this up as I wanted a path or a guideline to sift through all the available resources.

[Anonymous No.2973864]

>>2972897
Push and pull, the beauty of charcoal is its ability to vanish with the slightest force, use it to your advantage, kneaded eraser pulls up to hard eges, you can dab your drawing with a finger to slowly pull up pigment or use a paper towel.

it often helps to carve out a shape from a larger stroke of charcoal

[Anonymous No.2973868]

>>2973844
Can't find a finished piece, I usually stop to cry and never come back.

>>2973858
Yeah, the problem is absorbing just pieces of information and in the end just being lost to what to do. Maybe I should try this one year meme.

[Anonymous No.2973873]

>>2973868
just post any work.

[Anonymous No.2973875]

>>2973779
Even CS2 has better performance than Krita.

[Anonymous No.2973876]

>>2973873

[Anonymous No.2973877]

>>2973876
I think that's pretty good. Intermediate or not, that looks like good progress for a year if you stated from scratch

[Anonymous No.2973879]

>>2973858
Damn, now i dont know which way should i go. Aguri's One Year Guide for sure will help me a lot with everything but it would be really tough year. But with this half year guide i feel like i wont learn much i guess.

[Anonymous No.2973880]

>>2973862
You're welcome. That's what /ic/ should be for anyway.

>>2973868
>absorbing just pieces of information
Well you got your problem there. Application is really important.

btw. Aguri's Guide is all about construction and rendering.
If you're looking to get deeper into anatomy or if you want to know stuff about sequential storytelling or any kind of composition it won't help you much. But from what I gathered you'd benefit from a recap of the fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.2973884]

>>2973877
I started in 2012. I wasted my life away already, I'm 90% fucking done already.

>>2973880
It's hard to know where to stop reading and actually do shit.

[Anonymous No.2973885]

>>2973879
I think that's why the half year guide has casual listed

[Anonymous No.2973894]

>>2972283
>>2972284
>>2972286
>>2972287

damn today was a bad day, everything looks shit and I don't have the energy to spend more than 5 minutes on something

[Anonymous No.2973900]

>>2973784
so there's no room for break? i mean for example practice drawing 6 days and 7 day free?

[Anonymous No.2973903]

>>2973900
You can rest when you are dead.

[Anonymous No.2973908]

>>2973900
Not him, but it's like anything else in life, you can have a cheat day occasionally, but the more you have the slower your progress. Do it 6 of the 7 days of the week if you want. The rest might help you more than grinding 7 days a week. You might still want to draw on that 7th day though.

[Anonymous No.2973909]

>>2973879
>>2973885
It's casual and focuses on basic construction and figure drawing, as well as stylization. It doesn't cover color and light (color/value studies) and it doesn't cover any advanced topics; it's really just to get you started and bring you in a position from where you're able to judge sources on your own and be able to find your own way.

If you have more time on your hands (6hours+) and are dead serious about art, go for Aguri's guide. The guide I posted was made by me and I don't claim to be a professional of any sorts.

To be a bit more personal: I started drawing casually in '15 and decided to take it more serious in '16 where I tried (and failed) at a lot of stuff. If you think you can do more than 3 hours a day, go for it, but don't force yourself.
When I started I first did 8 and then 10, then 12 hours a day for a good 2 months. (I fell for all the /ic/ memes)
It's harder to be consistent in your schedule than to put in lots of hours over a short time period. I had 3 art blocks (that lasted a month each) since I started in which I didn't draw anything because I pressured myself too much/ stressed too much over my progress. In the end everyone has to make their own experience when it comes to scheduling and improving. The most important part is to not give up and keep going.

I hope I don't come across as a 'know it all'/ bigmouth type of guy; feel free to discredit me or question my schedule.

>>2973876
It's not that bad* but you should be farther in your progress by now, if you properly worked through Hampton. (Sorry for being blunt!)

Am I right with assuming that you're a perfectionist at heart? It looks like you don't like to go out of your comfort zone. Be more willing to make mistakes.

*If you want I can give you a proper critique, but since it might be an older work I don't want to be obsolete/ dickish.

[Anonymous No.2973919]

>>2973909
It's a last week drawing, I just can't finish pieces. Don't worry about being blunt, bro, I know it hurts having your imperfections being shoved at your face, but that's one of the first things we have to get used to as an artist. Someone being blunt or even offending you should be something you are thankful for, that's when you see where you need to improve.

You are not wrong, the thing is I really want to draw beautiful stuff, but I always stop and look at the overall piece and I see it's wrong. Most of the time I can't say what it is, besides the usual anatomy anomalies. I just feel the eastern artists have a certain workflow I don't quite understand that makes everything so smooth.

[Anonymous No.2973920]

>>2973894
Heads up, anon. I actually like how you stylized >>2972283 even if the likeness isn't really there. (Looks more like Bowie in your drawing)
Do you like Jojo or am I projecting here?

Also, considering the upper right drawing maybe Proko's video 'How to Shade a Drawing' will be useful to you.

>>2973900
I'm (him) and completely agree with >>2973908

[Anonymous No.2973930]

>>2973876
What's your mmr, scrub?

[Anonymous No.2973938]

>>2973930
3.6k, but if I tryharded I could get to 7k easy.

[Anonymous No.2973942]

>>2973876
Draw enchantress

[Anonymous No.2973944]

>>2973942
I can't begin to imagine how hard it will be to draw the horse part.

[Anonymous No.2973947]

>>2973938
We're all 7k on the inside.

[Anonymous No.2973948]

if disk space on the ssd is getting tight is photoshop a program that can be moved to the hdd?

[Anonymous No.2973950]

>>2973944
Give it a shot, draw outside your comfort zone

[Anonymous No.2973959]

Didn't really gesture just copied mostly. What does /ic/ think of my style I NEED an honest evaluation.

[Anonymous No.2973962]

>>2973959
I can't see anything, is it behind the notebook?

[Anonymous No.2973964]

>>2973950
Ye, you are right, gonna try to do it later.

[Anonymous No.2973967]

>>2973959
>What does /ic/ think of my style

Your style doesn't matter you little Tumblr shit, work on your fundamentals and then develop your style.

[Anonymous No.2973972]

>>2973967
But I already have my fundies down...

[Anonymous No.2973974]

>>2973972
I hope you're not talking about that image because it has horrible fundamentals, a high school level drawing.

[Anonymous No.2973980]

>>2973959
Style comes naturally over time for most people that draw things they like from other artists you shouldn't really force is nor prioritize it over getting better at drawing.

[Anonymous No.2973981]

>>2973972
HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.2973984]

I need help quick
are the proportions realistic here or should they be tweaked in some way?
how is the face, is there something I should change? is the head size right?

[Anonymous No.2973990]

>>2973920
nah i hate jojo. I can shade, but I just didn't feel like putting a lot of time in it.

[Anonymous No.2973991]

I can never seem to fit all of Igor Stravinsky on the damn page. I'm trying my damndest to draw how long I think every line is but he always ends up missing his head. I dont know what to do about it anymore. please help.

[Anonymous No.2973992]

So how the fuck do I learn the technical skills of drawing; how to put the line where you want it. It feels to me that everything focuses on what lines to draw and the ones that pay cursory attention to how to draw them boil down to "just practice lol".

[Anonymous No.2973995]

>>2972287

[Anonymous No.2973996]

[Anonymous No.2974004]

Is it a sin to copy and paste an eye you already drew?

[Anonymous No.2974007]

>>2974004
Usually the perspective's off but whatever makes things easier i guess

[Anonymous No.2974011]

>>2973992
scott robertson

[Anonymous No.2974020]

anybody has the keys to drawing pdf or any other good beginner book for free?

[Anonymous No.2974026]

>>2974020
Read the sticky

[Anonymous No.2974033]

>>2973948
Yes, but you won't see much benefit. Photoshop cares most about the video card, for video bottlenecks, and the scratch disks. Rule of thumb is it should be 3x times the biggest file you work on, and it should be on the fastest drive. For best results, a dedicated SSD or hard drive is best, or blank partitions on the SSD you have. You don't want the OS constantly writing to the same scratch disk, if you can help it.

If your SSD is full, move data files off, like images and movies, before you touch apps.

[Anonymous No.2974049]

Thought I'd draw an alien.

[Anonymous No.2974056]

>spend 2 months studying figure drawing
>don't draw for a week
>try drawing without ref
>nothing comes to mind
Just kill me

[Anonymous No.2974060]

Kinda new to trying faces without reference. Advice on line weight and drawing hair would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.2974065]

Guys, I've started drawing with http://drawabox.com/ but i'm actually not sure if this is the way to go.

I've also started reading drawing on the right side of the brain and I've done a few excercises but It's boring as fuck.

Some people here recommended keys to drawing, But which one should I choose?

Although I'm completely ok with drawing boxes and other shapes for practice I don't want to spend fucking hours drawing upside down picasso's.

What should I do?

[Anonymous No.2974068]

>>2973959
>cant draw
>ITS MUH STYLE
And jesus fuck press down, its like you're afraid to draw.

[Anonymous No.2974072]

>>2973959
Aside from pressing down more, you shouldn't cut off parts of the body from joint areas like knees, half the neck, ankles, wrists, elbows, etc. It looks awkward.

[Anonymous No.2974091]

>>2974065
You don't understand the point of that exercise. Take your time to read it again.

[Anonymous No.2974100]

What's the difference between figure and gesture drawing? Are they just interchangeable words?

[Anonymous No.2974108]

I've just started Hampton's "figure drawing design and invention" but how should I go about the book? Is drawing a dozen of poses after each new principle a good way to go about it?

[Anonymous No.2974125]

Is 'The Natural Way to Draw' by Nicolaides a good starting point? I also have 'Figure Drawing for all it's Worth' and 'Perspective Made Easy'.

Just trying to figure out where to start. Been working through the lessons in Nic's book.

[Anonymous No.2974130]

>>2973959
Nice ass

[Anonymous No.2974135]

j>>2974049
If I were that alien I'd want to kill myself.

[Anonymous No.2974160]

just crit my shit up

[Anonymous No.2974166]

>>2974026

The sticky only has pdf for Loomis' stuff, I'm looking for keys to drawing

[Anonymous No.2974168]

>>2974091
the picasso one?

[Anonymous No.2974172]

How do I get my friend to stop symbol drawing. The DOTRSOTB picasso exercise wasn't enough, I tried getting him to do traces, I tried getting him to take pictures of what he was looking at so I could compare his sketches to them, he just won't draw what he sees.

[Anonymous No.2974176]

>>2974100
Gesture is more of the "rhythm" of a pose and figure refers to filling it in.

Pic related would be gesture, for example

>>2974108
Is it your first "body drawing" book? Because as someone who read Hampton as his first I would recomend not doing it.

[Anonymous No.2974190]

>>2974166
It's in the books thread.

[Anonymous No.2974191]

>>2974172
Hold him at gunpoint? That always seems to work when you want to force someone to do something.

[Anonymous No.2974192]

>>2974191
What I mean is he wants to stop but he has tried everything so far. He claims he can't stop doing it.
He's done it all but he is still symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.2974196]

>>2974176
Just started today, went trough Loomis all morning and then wanted a change so I thought I could go for Hampton. What would you recommend trying? I'm not a "complete beginner" as I've always sketched a lot but I'm just drawing from imagination/observation, no construction or technique.

[Anonymous No.2974198]

>>2974196
Loomis it's good but Fun with a pencil it's a meme unless you actually are an absolutelly begginer to fundamentals. I recomend Figure Drawing for All It's Worth by Loomis and then moving to Hampton.

[Anonymous No.2974204]

>>2973784
I'm doing something similar to this, but is it bad to be focusing on one thing? For example I'm really keen in getting the whole face right so whenever I finished reading a book's section I instantly go to try and make faces. But so far none of them have turned up the way I want them to so I just end up drawing more faces.

[Anonymous No.2974207]

>>2974190
the conceptart link doesn't work

[Anonymous No.2974209]

>>2974207
https://mega.co.nz/#!LZsVXTjJ!t5W4mBq9v2iBbJWxvHM04rrMtA4wV7d3ZqX4daJowL4

[Anonymous No.2974210]

>>2974198
Thanks, will take a look at Figure Drawing for All it's worth then!

Skipped most of the stuff in Fun with a pencil that's for sure but it actually helped me a lot to understand what was "construction" and how to use it. Was an "absolute beginner" in that regard.

[Anonymous No.2974236]

>>2974209
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.2974243]

Do you guys have any tips for constructing people leaning backwards or forwards?

Whenever I reach the ribcage while constructing I always end up with it causing the body to stay upright.

[Anonymous No.2974250]

Is digital painting taken seriously? Obviously it's good for like concept and production art and stuff, but what the 3deep5u art stuff? I'm guessing there'd be little value to it since it could be infinitely reproduced and thus no collector would be interested.

[Anonymous No.2974282]

[Anonymous No.2974283]

[Anonymous No.2974308]

>>2972283

Doing Dodson Right now, book says no erasing so I continuously drew and drew blind when I could.

[Anonymous No.2974317]

>>2974191
But have you actually tried it? With some kind of people it doesn't work that well, I can tell you.

[Anonymous No.2974319]

I messed up pretty bad, I guess I'll redo this and try again. Though, any tips on how I can improve my observational drawings?

[Anonymous No.2974321]

>>2974319
Cymbal.jpg

[Anonymous No.2974336]

>>2974329
>>2974329
>>2974329

>>2974329
>>2974329
>>2974329

>>2974329
>>2974329
>>2974329

[Anonymous No.2974343]

>>2974319
I've got an exercise for you! Print off the reference image. Grab a sharpie. Imagine she has a line drawn down the center of her face, from brow to chin. Draw it on the drawing.
Now for some perpendicular lines. Draw a dot in the centre of each eyeball. Connect the two dots. Extend the line out in either direction.

Draw a dot at both ends of her lips. Connect them with a line. Continue the line at both sides.

Last part. Draw a dot on her nostril, the one you can see. Now draw a line that is parallel with your other two.

Take note of how parallel the face is. Then draw it again. I promise it'll look better. And you'll have learned something in the process

You got dis anon

[Anonymous No.2974602]

>>2974321
>not Cymbal.gif

[Anonymous No.2974972]

>>2974160
The head is a little big. It's kinda flat due to being a basic sketch. It's an incomplete sketch, so there's no much to say. The background/negative space feels like an afterthought meant to activate the composition.

One tip: Ears start slightly above the eyes and end slightly below the nose.