/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2955542]

>god tier figure drawing
>couldn't draw something appealing from imagination to save his life
fundies fags will defend this lmao!
stop drawing fucking boxes all day long and let your creativity run wild, kids

[Anonymous No.2955560]

stop bullying proko he was just nervous :<

[Anonymous No.2955594]

what happened to him i dont follow youtubers but i saw a lot of his vids

[Sage No.2955599]

>>2955542
Go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.2955600]

Everyone who is good at drawing from imagination has good fundamentals. Just not everyone with good fundamentals is also good at drawing from imaginaton. If anything, understanding boxes and shit is way more important for drawing from imagination than for drawing from observation. But obviously it's not all you should be doing.

[Anonymous No.2955603]

could i have a quick rundown?

[Anonymous No.2955616]

Those who can't do, teach.

[Anonymous No.2955655]

>god tier figure drawing

kek

[Anonymous No.2955673]

>sparklet
>got tier figure drawing

figure drawing is dead... proko killed it.

[Anonymous No.2955682]

>>2955673
>sparklet
the heck is a sparklet?

[Anonymous No.2955689]

>>2955682
Proko is

[Anonymous No.2955877]

Scoto knows how to make his charcoal look pretty but he's pretty hopeless otherwise.

[Anonymous No.2955906]

>>2955673
>sparklet

[Anonymous No.2955908]

>>2955655
OUCH THOSE MISTAKES

[Anonymous No.2955912]

>>2955542
Clearly he doesn't know his fundies if he can only draw from reference.

[Anonymous No.2955915]

>>2955603
Here's your quick rundown.

[Anonymous No.2955920]

>>2955542
Not everyone has good imagination. It can't be helped.

[Anonymous No.2955924]

>grind anatomy 24/7
>can't draw anime from imagination like 16 years old kids
lmao

[Anonymous No.2955953]

>>2955924
oh god my penis!

[Anonymous No.2955959]

>>2955915
what the fuck is that?

[Anonymous No.2955978]

>>2955603
>>2955959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI

[Anonymous No.2955982]

>>2955915
>I'm gonna draw a dog

[Anonymous No.2955994]

Back to /leftpol/, faggot communist!

[Anonymous No.2956000]

>>2955542
I stopped giving a crap when CGPeers didn't pirated the Anatomy course.

[Anonymous No.2956049]

>>2955682
A small sparkle

[Anonymous No.2956052]

>>2955594
>>2955603
He tried to draw animals from imagination. This was supposed to be a kangaroo.

[Anonymous No.2956059]

>falling for the teachers meme

[Anonymous No.2956063]

>>2956059
He's a great teacher. There's a lot to be said for learning from other's mistakes

[Anonymous No.2956068]

>>2955542
>god tier figure drawing
I honestly think that's phony too.

[Anonymous No.2956104]

>>2955655
>>2955908
whats wrong with this? I don't see it.

[Anonymous No.2956105]

>>2956104
It's not 100% copy. Meme

[Anonymous No.2956112]

>>2956105
Jesus christ. Do the autists on here actually draw?

[Anonymous No.2956122]

I am so happy that I started to draw more from imagination, I don't want to know how terrible it must feel like grinding (((fundamentals))) for years on end only to get good and copying a model and drawing lumpy and boring anatomically correct figures instead of interesting and exaggerated forms.

[Anonymous No.2956127]

>>2956112
Anon you know the answer already.

[Anonymous No.2956131]

>>2956127
I know

[Anonymous No.2956141]

>>2955924
that is actually pretty damn awsum sketch
Is that drawn by Panko?

[Anonymous No.2956151]

>>2955542
Proko is just a fraud, it's not even drawing from imagination he just looks like he has no actual fundamental construction skills.

[Anonymous No.2956154]

>>2955924
I'm 18, I can draw sketches like that.

[Anonymous No.2956177]

Proko is just a guy who can draw from observation very well and not at all from imagination.

This is a problem that literally 90% of fine artists and 99% of art teachers have. Hardly unusual or reprehensible.

He should be a lesson that "studies" and observational drawing doesn't magically translate to true 3d imaginative drawing skills.

[Anonymous No.2956181]

>>2956154
I'm sure you think you can, but that is commonly referred to as dunning kruger syndrome.

[Anonymous No.2956184]

>>2956181
And what your doing is commonly referred to as psychological projection.

[Anonymous No.2956214]

>>2956154
Show them. But be careful. Even if google can't find image source /i/c/ can recognize artist your steal from

[Anonymous No.2956252]

>>2956181
I can, I swear. I'll post a thing tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow.

>>2956214
I don't steal.

>>2956177
Yeah, observational drawing and imagination drawing are way different. I can draw quite well from observation, but my imagination skills aren't as great.

[Anonymous No.2956292]

>>2955978
omg

[Anonymous No.2956294]

>>2955542
He's not a concept artist though, so what's wrong with that? Check out his paintings. He's a good artist.

[Anonymous No.2956296]

>>2956052
Taking that out of context. It wasn't supposed to be a kangaroo. It was a concept creature that he was doing on the spot and someone said that it looks like a kangaroo.

[Anonymous No.2956300]

>>2955978
wew

[Anonymous No.2956306]

>>2956294

[Anonymous No.2956309]

>>2956306
kek

[Anonymous No.2956311]

>>2956306
someone send this to him

[Anonymous No.2956366]

>>2956306
Please.

[Anonymous No.2956382]

>>2956306

[Anonymous No.2956388]

>>2956294
Glorified figure study. Totally withour soul or narrative. I've never liked anything about proko.

[Anonymous No.2956395]

>>2956388
I mean there's a pretty obvious narrative here, a lot more than badass dude looking badass or cute girl looking cute.

[Anonymous No.2956399]

>>2955924
so what's wrong with this? the linework? Because I can't imagine it's meant to look clean. What is there to improve?

[Anonymous No.2956472]

>>2955655
pretty damn god-tier instructional demo...

[Anonymous No.2956475]

>>2955542
I think people here just down talk Proko because If you watch and apply the info in his videos you'll actually get better. and no-one here seems to want that for anyone but themselves. some people here don't even want it for themselves... lmao I'll study what I like.

[Anonymous No.2956485]

>>2956296
You're right in that it wasn't supposed to be a kangaroo. It was supposed to be a dog.

[Anonymous No.2956513]

>>2956294
I'm kinda confused by the bicycle, it seems out of place.
Not it's positioning but it just seems too modern compared to the rst of the painting.

[Anonymous No.2956536]

>>2956475
It's just sad for beginners who fall for this meme and disregard anything Proko before they try it.

Proko is probably the probably the most accessible and comprehensive figure drawing guide there is, and most of it is free on youtube.

[Anonymous No.2956545]

>>2956388
What this guy said >>2956395
It seems like you're just hating to hate

[Anonymous No.2956601]

>>2956475
ding ding DING

[Anonymous No.2956750]

>>2956296
Oh.

[Anonymous No.2956803]

Dear god, /ic/ is full of retarded autistic faggots. It doesn't matter that Proko can't draw from imagination, just watch his damn videos and draw. It's almost as if shitting on others is all you guys want to do than seeing what you can learn from others and actually improve your drawing skills. Why the fuck are most of the faggots on here not drawing more and just meming bullshit, this is /ic/ not /pol/.

[Anonymous No.2956913]

>>2956803
there's been a flare up of shitters on the board lately. seems like it's the same one or two anons.

[Anonymous No.2956920]

>>2956803
>It's almost as if shitting on others is all you guys want to do
Bingo, Yahtzee, Royal Flush, Monopoly

[Anonymous No.2956936]

>>2956306

[Anonymous No.2956954]

>>2956475
As much as I find /ic/'s gossiping insufferable this is bullshit, nobody on /ic/ talks smack on Vilppu or Hughes. Expecting a drawing instructor to be able to draw is not entitlement.

[Anonymous No.2957004]

Literally the only thing that matters is a teachers drawing ability. It is the sole indicator of skill. If Proko can't properly draw (from imagination), it means he doesn't actually know what he's talking about (when it comes to drawing from imagination), simply as that.

If you wanna learn (to draw from imagination) from a guy like that you're setting yourself up for mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.2957010]

DUDE PROKO MAYMAY HAHA THE KANGAROO DRAWING LMFAO

[Anonymous No.2957013]

>>2956184
post yer work

[Anonymous No.2957022]

>>2956294
This is a terrible painting. Apart from the way it looks like a knock off Gurney, it couldn't be more brown toned if it tried.

[Anonymous No.2957055]

>>2956954

It's because they are a lot less popular than Proko. Also Vilppu can't draw and in his long career he haven't done anything of any note.

[Anonymous No.2957059]

>>2957013
Am I better than Proko

[Anonymous No.2957063]

>>2957059
No.

[Anonymous No.2957065]

>>2957059
At faces? No. Maybe at kangaroos.

[Anonymous No.2957066]

>>2957059
Proko doesn't go around posting a picture from somebody else's portfolio.

He goes out and actually draws.

So yeah.

You should do that.

[Anonymous No.2957072]

>>2957055
>Vilppu can't draw
lol post your superior drawinga

[Anonymous No.2957075]

>>2956536
This.

Same goes for drawabox. Its not the best material out there but a good starting point for understanding basic construction. Figure drawing course from dab is shit though.

[Anonymous No.2957084]

>>2955542
paint 1 minute jk

[Anonymous No.2957098]

>>2957065
this post encapsulates everything wrong with these threads. it's like the telephone game but in text. one person posts the epic meme then misinformation spreads and you get these retarded comments and now there's people that actually think proko can't draw a kangaroo. why do you idiots do this every day? this is why you won't make it.

[Anonymous No.2957117]

>>2957098
Aussie biology bachelor here. I study kangaroos for a living and I have never come across something that looked even remotely like >>2956052. I don't believe proko understands anything about kangaroos. Unless he proves me wrong I doubt he can draw kangaroos.

t. kangaroo expert

[Anonymous No.2957118]

>>2957084
Thanks for this

[Anonymous No.2957121]

HE WASN'T TRYING TO DRAW A KANGAROO

[Anonymous No.2957123]

>>2956475
I actually got a giant boost when I watched his figure and portrait drawing series.

I can draw not particularly good but at least I can draw a person from any angle from imagination and however shitty that is a few months ago that wasnt even an option.

Watching him I also realised that actually learning stuff from someone is more important than I ever thought.

He explains shit well and to the point, I tried Vilpu but god damn, I am literally falling asleep.
He dragging it so fucking much I might try to watch it again on speedx1.5 because I dont think I can go trough his vids any other way.

>Meh...
Holds some anatomy thing in his hand.
>Today we
*Paper rustling
>uuuhhhh
*Someone coughs
>Stands still for like half a minute trying to remember what he was about to say or how to breath
*someone asking something inarticulate
>Gives answer just as inarticulate that gives me no indication what the question was.
*Falls asleep
*Dies in his sleep
*Gets reanimated and continue class
*Gets older
*Students fucking get older (maybe he sucking life out of them)

I mean fuck, in 15 minutes Scroto teaches you same shit Vilpu does in and hour and does not bore you to death.

[Anonymous No.2957147]

>>2956306
kek

[Anonymous No.2957173]

>>2957123
lol

I'd try just reading his book

[Anonymous No.2957190]

>>2957123
>Stands still for like half a minute trying to remember what he was about to say or how to breath
holy fuck

[Anonymous No.2957192]

>>2957123
kek

[Anonymous No.2957195]

>>2957123
Goddamn anon I'm in tears

I nearly fell asleep watching Vilppu for the first time. But after a while it got calming, and after seeing him do the same shit and FEELING THE FORM for the 466th time something started to click. Tried Proko for gesture couldn't get shit, Vilppu was easier to understand in my case.

Switching between teachers is important though, if you can't get something from X try Y, or Z. There's a bunch of videos and books teaching the same shit.

[Anonymous No.2957293]

>>2957195
>FEELING THE FORM
I got it the first time and liked how it goes smooth and thicc and you actually feel it.
I agree that he has some skill and there is something you can learn but he goes over lots of topics in a rather messy manner struggling to keep the thread.

He also RL counterpart of pic related and I am cute little bunny, waiting my cute little bunny pussy to be pounded by big bad fox and neither of us getting fucking younger.
Just as Vilppu models, Scrotum models at least look good from every angle and male models can single handedly reverse damage caused by Blacked.
Vilppu has to put his models in a very 90's looking leotard so the student wont run out of the class or the models wont fall apart or both.

In short, he scares me, he makes me ponder "is that how the old age look like?"
I meant really, he wasnt like this always was he?
Is thats what really at the end of the line?
Dementia and old models smelling like naphthalene wearing 90's leotards, empty rooms and just me scribbling on the paper like it brings me happiness even thought it doesnt and its just habit at this point.
Maybe I even forget my own fundies or undies or both.
>Fug

[Anonymous No.2957304]

>Tried Proko for gesture couldn't get shit

I think I know what gives you trouble, Vilppu uses 3D form to build his gestures which is easier to do than Scrocococo lines.
That said, Proko gestures are good as well except unlike Vilppus the form and construction phase is not taught from the start which make it all look worse at the beginning, you just not getting the oomph from your work but this is actually what this is about.

The moment you apply construction to Proko gesture it actually looks good but first gesture look like something you can find near the the checkout at the gamestop.

Especially if you draw from proko models who are always placed in a pose that makes you tilt your head like little chihuahua which seen her both fat, sweaty, bearded owners fucking for the first time when they didnt noticed her under the blanket, just sit there look at this shit covered monster going in and out in almost complete darkness but as a dog you can tell when its going out because of the smell that almost makes you pass out and little Brraaap sounds.

In the end I think Prokos method has it advantages as long as you realise that gesture fundies will not look good from the start and accept that first gestures will look like noodles on a plate.
Especially that in his example vids he uses construction to some degree and Knowledge of 3D form which student cant do just now but struggling trough this also teaches you something.

I still want to get over Vilppu but fuck me, there is like 30 hours of materials on my HDD and I wonder, what happens to a man that went trough 30 hours of Vilppus dronning.
Will that turn me into one of the old masters or into Vilppus new vessel.

[Anonymous No.2957510]

>>2957121
You're right, he was trying to draw a cartoon dog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI

>people learn from this retard when there are masters who actually know how to draw from imagination

[Anonymous No.2957568]

>>2957510
Everything are just tools.
Results is the only metric for success.

Most classic painters also draw from real life, not imagination. Are they bad now? Drawing from imagination was great when we didnt have cellphones and access to pictures of everything as reference.

Just google a fucking cangaroo if you dont remember how its done.

[Anonymous No.2957656]

>>2957510
Most old school masters couldn't draw from imagination either, they didn't know about vanishing points, perspective grids, construction, Loomis. Their only reference was other people's art. They just drew from observation.

[Anonymous No.2957674]

>>2957293
What in the name of fuck is this post lmaooooo

[Anonymous No.2957690]

>>2957510
Again, don't be an idiot and take things out of context. This video was edited to make it look worse than it was. Watch the actual video. He was going to draw a dog then changed it to some random creature before the legs were drawn. Isn't that how a lot of these creature drawings on the spot go? You make it up as you go along.

I'm not saying that he's some kind of great concept designer. It wasn't good. But you're also twisting the story severely to fit your narrative that he can't draw.

He's not a concept design teacher. I don't understand where you're getting that idea. This video was just to demonstrate that it's possible to apply the basic figure drawing techniques he teaches to imagination if you ever wanted to try it.

The dude only teaches figure drawing. Why do people like you expect him to teach imagination or be good at it?

[Anonymous No.2957693]

>>2957656
Actually a lot of them did draw from imagination quite a bit, but mostly for preparatory work when planning compositions, and then afterwards you get them bringing in models. You also get a few rare people who did complete images from imagination like Dore or Goya. I also feel that all artists back then got rigorous training in perspective and would be very familiar with perspective grids. They wouldn't use construction on their figures though, at least not in the sense that we use it now and talk about (which only dates back maybe 100 years or so).

[Anonymous No.2957703]

>>2956954
>>>2949371

[Anonymous No.2957708]

>>2957568
lol any classic painter could do a 2 minutes scribble with zero construction line that would beat any 5 hours box autism drawing made by someone here
To achieve greatness and be able to focus on their painting skill only, they had to draw constantly and as you said, it was hard to get reference or to always have a model around you

truth is, most classic painters didn't need a model

It's not about learning a method, it's about learning to see things in your head and draw the right line right away
you have to be able to draw from imagination if you want to qualify as an "artist"

[Anonymous No.2957720]

>>2956294
that axe is probably heavy for a young boy like this and yet there is no visible stress on his posture and arm
his wrist probably hurts like hell righ now
this is where figure drawing gets you
a half talented cartoonist could paint a more vivid picture

[Anonymous No.2957725]

>>2955542
he might not have god tier figure drawing but he has god tier anatomy tho

[Anonymous No.2957733]

>>2957720

He could have added a subtle striation to the deltoid and showe some tension in the biceps and forearm true, but now you're just being a nitpicky faggot

[Anonymous No.2957742]

>>2957708

You can't draw realistic figures from imagination without construction skills. There may be some artist that have picked up construction skills by osmosis, but that doesn't mean it's the most efficient way to learn.
You absolutely must know perspective and understand were the horizon is in relation to your drawing.
Focusing too much on construction while sacrificing shape design and gesture can be detrimental for sure, and people like Proko are proof of this. But you will not find one person who can draw well in a realistic style from imagination without construction skills.

[Anonymous No.2957906]

>>2957293

this post made me laugh the hardest i have in months. holy shit anon what were you on when you typed that?

[Anonymous No.2958159]

>>2957293
>>2957304

Fucking gold holy hell

[Anonymous No.2958200]

>>2957123
>>2957293
>>2957304
You write like someone who went through multiple drug addictions and almost destroyed their brain, but came out the other end sober and mildly psychopathic. Write a book, just so I can read it

[Anonymous No.2958257]

>>2958200
Might be not so off the mark.
Recently went trough enormous amount of stress which made me return to drawing and also started getting (you)'s when previously I often wondered whether I died somewhere along the way and because of that invisible to anyone.
You know, maybe my soul just sits in one of those hermetic soul universes shitposting on 4ch, wondering why I never get a reply, senpaitachis never notice me just as I dont see my rotten body which probably sits in the same chair my soul shitpost from.

Like broken clock that is right at least twice a day, maybe once in a while my soul aligns perfectly with my body, probably during fap sessions.
Maybe during those times of accidental alignment some celestial magic happens and my body gets reanimated, you know like perfectly still rotten body just jerks suddenly and continue eternal fap session for a few strokes then misalignment happens and it goes still and resumes the next day and the next and the next.

Maybe it even become one of those miracles in the village I live in, like crying virgin Marry somewhere else here is the body of /v/irgin /b/tard that just cant stop fapping to prolapse vid frozen on my monitor screen.
Maybe people gathering around me bringing flowers and chews talking how witnessing it changed their life, brought them faith.
They just sit on my sofa praying when my body suddenly jerks and starts jerking off and everyone just fall on the knees crying and then go home like they did something of importance.

Damn, maybe nearby church even swindling people for money, claim its a charity for electricity bill to keep the miracle going but in fact they just buy themselves young boys off the ukrainian border and new cars.

Yeah, I think the experience damaged me to some degree.

[Anonymous No.2958265]

>>2958257
you're gonna make it

[Anonymous No.2958267]

>>2958257
whoa

[Anonymous No.2958271]

>Post work to prove you are better than proko

Fine

[Anonymous No.2958274]

>>2958265
Well, dont know, going today to a job interview in a place full of strong rugged man and I am a neet with 10 years of hikidom.
If I get accepted it will be pic related literally (in a figurative sense of the word "literally")

I am not really qualified so I have to BS a lot and I am sure the owner sees trough it but, if I dont find a way to go into the world and start living and working this month, I am going homeless the next one.

Makes me wonder, is this what Palanhiuk or Rowling went trough when she wrote HP.
She didnt have 4ch to go on shitposting spree so she started shitposting in RL.

>>2958271
I'll be honest with you anon, I'd fuck that doggoroo.

[Anonymous No.2958280]

I have similar memories memory in my past. Before I found Terence Mckenna electrically resurrected by neuropaths in my brain. I was a mixed bag of peronality traits floating in and out of existence until they all collapsed in a single revelation. I am the sweat dripping down Lebron James forehead. I am the blazing sun and I am the methane gas spewing out of a cows asshole. I AM THE ICE AGE, and all of the Egyptian pharoahs and servants until now. You are a schizophrenic manifestation of gods daydreaming, from his pineal gland squeezed by the pressure of eternity

[Anonymous No.2958287]

>>2958274
I'm wageslaving to pay for art stuff and other things, I know the struggle anon. maybe having that juxtaposition of physical work and life experience will improve your artwork? who knows. I currently work for a delivery service similar to grubhub and it's actually kind of fun. good luck.

[Anonymous No.2958288]

>>2958271
To prove a point.

>>2958280
Not that far gone yet anon.
>"Upgrade"
>"No fuck go back"

[Anonymous No.2958290]

>>2958265
To the mental asylum

[Anonymous No.2958297]

>>2958287
>I'm wageslaving to pay for art stuff and other things, I know the struggle anon.
I am not struggling as a wageslave right now tho, I am under immense amount of stress due to various other reasons.
Trying to land a job and on every interview explain to people how, someone 30 yo never worked a day in his life, without mentioning 4chan, depression, adhd or hikidom.

Posted this comic here a few time, not trying to spam my shit but thats literally what happens on most interviews I go to.

[Anonymous No.2958300]

>>2958287
>maybe having that juxtaposition of physical work and life experience will improve your artwork?
Not sure but since this whole mess in my life happened its like I tapped into some inspirational vein.
Dont know if I am any good since my DA acc is empty so, I guess not so much but still.

>>2958290
Lets hope not.

[Anonymous No.2958302]

>>2958297
Your lips literally fall off of your mouth? Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2958303]

>>2958297
well shit anon. you're going to need more than luck then. lie cheat and steal.

[Anonymous No.2958306]

>>2958302
Forgot to add this preamble >>2958274.
>(in a figurative sense of the word "literally")
Added it in previous post because I knew one of you cunts is lurking and waiting for someone to slip.
You've got me this once fucker, enjoy it wont happen again.

>>2958303
>well shit anon. you're going to need more than luck then
I guess so, on the other hand I hope I am not completely brain dead and can wiggle my way out and around rough spots.

[Anonymous No.2958311]

>>2956803
The problem with proko and draw a box guy is that they tell you to draw something that you hate and because of that you hate drawing that shit and thanks to that you begin to hate yourself, thinking that you are not doing everything that it takes.

I mean i'm pretty much a beginner but drawing the basic stuff became much more fun after I followed my curiosity and had drawn enough cute girl and other shit to realize that drawing this arm just right will help me draw a girl better as well as noticing and appreciating small stuff like beautiful curves or renders so now i'm much more okay with drawing basic stuff.

[Anonymous No.2958320]

>>2958311
Maybe its just your approach then.
He doesnt tell you draw 1k boxes and nothing else until you do that.
Since people might see it this way and just keep drawing boxes until they burned out on it its problem with their approach and not proko or draw a box guy.

They not taking you trough "lets draw a creature of the week" videos, they teach you how to draw and anime girls are not part of the class.

[Anonymous No.2958343]

>>2955655
>>2956104

Not same poster but...

[Anonymous No.2958348]

>>2958311
One of the best people to ever come out of /ic/ said don't do endless studies, do finished pieces. If you don't know how to draw a body at a certain angle, you'll look it up and learn. Studies work much better when you have an immediate application for them.

inb4 cherrypicked yeah yeah we know

[Anonymous No.2958392]

>>2958257
I remember you, saw you in /hyw/ threads a while back. Didn't know you browse /ic/ too, but I suppose it makes sense.
Hang in there, anon. You're gonna make it. Also, make more cute penguin comics, if you find the time.

[Anonymous No.2958395]

>>2955924
is she kumiko? look pretty good to me

[Anonymous No.2958399]

>>2958348
how the fuck

[Anonymous No.2958454]

>>2958348

DAMN YOU KAKAROT!

[Anonymous No.2958461]

>>2958348
Olly a.k.a. tehmeh had formal training, he didn't come out of /ic/. He would shitpost here and then would say the opposite somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.2958471]

>>2958348
Personally I think it depends on which level you are.
If you good with fundies then you certainly want finished drawing and you can practice rendering.
If your fundies are shit then you just go on and practice shitty rendering on shitty construction.
Normally that wouldnt be a problem but finishing drawing is what takes the most time.
You might be at that level when this time would be better spent on learning perspective, construction or gesture.

This is fucking great jump in quality tho, I wonder how many hours of training and drawing daily went into it.
I do agree with this part tho.
>Studies work much better when you have an immediate application for them.
Drawing scales as a study works great when you have a dragon to flesh out or something you really want to spend hours autistically rendering.
The other methods work to but this gives you purpose and you have a drawing to prove it and not just a sketch to throw in a bag and forget.

>>2958392
>You're gonna make it.
Yeah I think I've got the job but fuck the thought terrifies me to no end now.
I think I might have oversold myself, the dude was nice and pretty forward with me to the point if he was Jehova Witness I would have let myself get recruited without debating him.

At the end he just said that at the end of the week there will be someone to train me at the CNC press brake and we parted.
I thought I would just google this machine and learn something on my own in the meantime but no matter what I cant find manuals or anything and what I found lead me to believe this shit is fucking rocket science.
As Bill Nye would say, "it is on a technological spectrum between a turtle and a rocket".

I try to learn something in the meantime maybe make a thread on /adv/ but fuck me.
I know first impression can be misleading but the place looked nice enough and dudes approach was very nice as well to the point I think this might be actually a good workplace and I dont want to fuck it up.

[Anonymous No.2958473]

>>2958348
Personally I think it depends on which level you are.
If you good with fundies then you certainly want finished drawing and you can practice rendering.
If your fundies are shit then you just go on and practice shitty rendering on shitty construction.
Normally that wouldnt be a problem but finishing drawing is what takes the most time.
You might be at that level when this time would be better spent on learning perspective, construction or gesture.

This is fucking great jump in quality tho, I wonder how many hours of training and drawing daily went into it.
I do agree with this part tho.
>Studies work much better when you have an immediate application for them.
Drawing scales as a study works great when you have a dragon to flesh out or something you really want to spend hours autistically rendering.
The other methods work to but this gives you purpose and you have a drawing to prove it and not just a sketch to throw in a bag and forget.

>>2958392
>You're gonna make it.
Yeah I think I've got the job but fuck the thought terrifies me to no end now.
I think I might have oversold myself, the dude was nice and pretty forward with me to the point if he was Jehova Witness I would have let myself get recruited without debating him.

At the end he just said that at the end of the week there will be someone to train me at the CNC press brake
I thought I would just google this machine and learn something on my own in the meantime but no matter what I cant find manuals or anything and what I found lead me to believe this shit is fucking rocket science.
As Bill Nye would say, "it is on a technological spectrum between a turtle and a rocket".

I try to learn something in the meantime maybe make a thread on /adv/ but fuck me.
I know first impression can be misleading but the place looked nice enough and dudes approach was very nice, I think this might be actually a good workplace and I dont want to fuck it up.

Also 4u, pengu getting spa treatment with therapeutic ball.

[Anonymous No.2958594]

>>2958473
I remember Tehmeh saying that he didn't draw for al that long everyday, usually working a couple of hours on a piece after a short warm up.

[Anonymous No.2958599]

>>2958461
You're right anon, total troll advice from Tehmeh there. You should only do studies nonstop and never finish anything, that's clearly the way to to git gud :)

[Anonymous No.2958630]

>>2957293
>He also RL counterpart of pic related and I am cute little bunny, waiting my cute little bunny pussy to be pounded by big bad fox and neither of us getting fucking younger.
jesus

[Anonymous No.2958637]

>>2958630
I need a source but all google gives me is "cartoon" and it gives me same shit for all lewds I search.

[Anonymous No.2958645]

>>2958637
You can change "cartoon" to "hentai" or "zootopia" or something

[Anonymous No.2958648]

>>2958645
I already found something altough I am not sure whether this is the thing...

[Anonymous No.2958655]

>>2958648
https://e-hentai.org/s/844581bd83/979885-1

[Anonymous No.2958656]

>>2955542
>meh tier copying
fifyf

[Anonymous No.2958664]

>>2958655
Thanks bro, probably the only hentai I wanted to read and not fap to.
I think I need to try my hand at this.

[Anonymous No.2958717]

>>2957123
>>2957293
>>2957304
You cheeky motherfucker owe me a pair of sides

[Anonymous No.2958727]

>>2958257
I love you anon

[Anonymous No.2959078]

>>2958727
Thanks bro, you one of a couple of ppl who do (even if only ironically)
Off to sleep now but didnt want to leave you unnoticed.

[Anonymous No.2959311]

>>2957293
>>2957304

[Anonymous No.2959379]

When the fuck are people going to understand that figure drawing is a style in itself and that if you study Loomis you're studying Loomis' style. If you want to learn anatomy, look at a body and decide which parts you want to show in your drawing because you find them appealing.

[Anonymous No.2959478]

>>2958599
Or you could do what normal people do and stick with whatever works for you, rather then trying to live vicariously through a meme. It's not like you're inept with learning, right?

[Anonymous No.2959583]

>>2956513
Are you saying you can't build your own house in [Current Year] Are you an SJW coddled baby fur

[Anonymous No.2959585]

>>2957733
>>2957720
nope, both are accurate and fair critiques. nothing nitpicky or faggoty about judging and flawed piece

[Anonymous No.2959594]

>>2959478
>rather then trying to live vicariously through a meme

How is it a "meme" just because Tehmeh said it? There are lots of pros who always stress the value of pushing yourself to do finished pieces and study with purpose, it's not like Tehmeh came up with this revolutionary concept. He just shocked all his /ic/ fanboys when he said that because they actually believed all you have to do to get good is copy photos every day.

[Anonymous No.2959602]

>>2959594
>the value of pushing yourself to do finished pieces and study with purpose
Can someone explain this to me and how it works?

[Anonymous No.2959617]

>>2959602
Not much to explain really. You simply decide on doing a finished image and instead of doing random studies all day, you study only what you need for that specific image, with the purpose to directly apply it.

[Anonymous No.2960062]

>>2955924
who drew this?

[Anonymous No.2960243]

>>2955915

[Anonymous No.2960497]

/ic/ truly has the best memes

[Anonymous No.2960508]

Can someone explain to me what does "ligameme" mean?

[Anonymous No.2960517]

>>2956252
>3 days later
Go ahead boi we're waiting

[Anonymous No.2960521]

>>2960508
Ngmi

[Anonymous No.2960564]

>>2960243
kek

[Anonymous No.2960618]

>>2955673
>>Sparklet
You what now?

[Anonymous No.2960629]

>>2959594
Proko said it before tehmeh, Vilppu said before tehmeh, even Crilley said before tehmeh, but you decide to post tehmeh memes instead. That's pathetic.

[Anonymous No.2960651]

>>2958630
Damn those thick outlines make me diamonds

[Anonymous No.2960687]

>>2960629
Different person. I posted the image because we're on /ic/, and Tehmeh was a big /ic/ user, so it's inspiring that one of us made it. You're free to point out where I said it was his completely original idea, though.

[Anonymous No.2960770]

>>2960687
different anon, same pathetic
have fun not making it

[Anonymous No.2960801]

>>2960770
>>2960629
Why does it matter who said it first and why does it suddenly become a meme and less of a legit advice just because Tehmeh said it? Also, the advice coming from Tehmeh sounds more legit to me than the same advice coming from Proko or Crilley, considering they hardly ever do finished paintings and suck at drawing from imagination, so clearly unlike Tehmeh, they don't even follow their own advice.

I personally heard about it from Dave Rapoza back when he was doing those monthly crimson dagger challenges.

[Anonymous No.2961335]

>>2960508
NGMI

[Anonymous No.2961348]

>>2960508
Means two ligaments in your drawing arm like proko and others notable artists. They say if you only have one you're destined for mediocrity and are never gonna make it.

It's a meme though I have two and I'm still beginner tier years later.

[Anonymous No.2962815]

>>2955915

[Anonymous No.2963373]

So if someone does want to improve at drawing from imagination, what should they do?

Is just drawing shitty drawings long enough all that there is to it?

[Anonymous No.2963396]

>>2963373
watch imaginative stuff and just draw whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.2963398]

>>2961348
everyone has those. you teenagers will believe anything.

[Anonymous No.2963437]

>>2961348
Proko stated that he doesn't have the ligameme in his forearm video.

[Anonymous No.2963440]

>>2961348
>I have two
You have more than two or your hand couldn't work normally. We all do.

[Anonymous No.2963816]

>>2955673
>>sparklet

[Anonymous No.2963826]

>>2957123
Holy shit I laughed so hard I got hiccups.

[Anonymous No.2963952]

>>2955560

no

[Anonymous No.2964104]

>>2958343
>DunningKrugerStrikesAgain.png

[Anonymous No.2964267]

>>2957123
>Scroto

I'm sorry, what?

[Anonymous No.2966091]

>>2955915
I still don't quite understand what happened with Proko here.
He has the skill to draw well, how could he produce something like this at all just doesn't make sense to me.
Even that minion drawing he did before this just looked plain bad.

Was he tired? Was he not focused?
I'm not good at drawing but it isn't that hard to draw something from imagination and not have it end up like some fetal abomination.

[Anonymous No.2966106]

>>2966091
I believe he was trying this method.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yKxY0KKrak

I seen various people using it, you draw a blob or shape you like and then you just go over it trying to fill in the details.
Its just a shape but your mind trying to interpret it so each person can see something different and from the same blob create different characters.

Basically Roschar test but I believe Proko was the first person to fail this test, he just looked at the blotch and you could tell he has not a slightest idea what the fuck this is (neither anyone else watching it but still)

Now this thing will follow him like the ghost of aborted child for years.

[Anonymous No.2966117]

>>2966106
Like you know
>Prokum, why did you do this to me, tell me why?
>Did you forget the rules of equivalent exchange?

[Anonymous No.2966125]

>>2966106
The thing with Proko's video, I just get the idea that he wasn't actually using his imagination.
So he was drawing some blobs and shapes hoping something nice would pop out but it didn't and he ended up with the worst possible outcome.

I always assumed that drawing from imagination means generating a reference in your head, visualizing it and putting that on the paper.
It doesn't seem that complicated.

[Anonymous No.2966133]

>>2966125
There are various way to go about it I guess but yeah, he had a sketch of a rat in boxing gloves but then said its a dog and drew cat face on top of it.
He was improvising like a skydiver when his spare failed to open.

On the bright side he did created something.
This thing my outlive him.

[NoseBro No.2966227]

>>2963440
its about the palmaris longus specifically.

[Anonymous No.2967262]

>>2966106
>Basically Roschar test but I believe Proko was the first person to fail this test

kek

[Anonymous No.2968567]

>>2956536
>>2957075
Then what is the "best material" out there for imaginative drawing? If proko/drawabox is NOT the best, then what is?

[Anonymous No.2968625]

>>2964104
Not sure what that means but those red lines shows a lot of errors.

[Anonymous No.2968653]

>>2955542
Who taught him?

[Anonymous No.2968895]

>>2955542
I know this is a bait, but let me explain.
Don't draw boxes from real world.
Draw them from imagination and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.2968907]

>>2968895
let me be go a bit more in depth

Don't draw boxes, it's a damn waste of time

[Anonymous No.2968963]

>>2968907
No its not, even drawing people you need boxes to get the perspective right.

The only waste of time is mindless doodling that leads nowhere.
If you practice something with intention to apply that practice somewhere later, this is not a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.2969777]

>>2966227
kys

[Anonymous No.2969789]

>>2968895
>>2968907>>2968963
>>2968963

It's really sad seeing all these beginners argue like they know what the fuck they are talking about while i'm over here sipping on some tea and completing a commission for a client.

[Anonymous No.2969796]

Is drawing boxes really a meme?

[Anonymous No.2969798]

>>2969796
yes.

[Anonymous No.2969808]

>>2969796
Its not, its used to get proper perspective on figure as well as good way to get initial shading right.

[Anonymous No.2969814]

>>2968963
oh yeah?
By the time you master that box autism you will be trapped in it, doomed to be a sanctimonious cunt with no imagination, unable to draw anything worth looking at for more than 10 seconds
It's near impossible to start developing your style and ideas from there
so it is a waste of time

just learn to draw what you see

[Anonymous No.2969827]

>>2969814
If it works like this for you then I can help but I draw from imagination mostly and boxs is exactly what I need to get right what I want to draw and dont see.

[Anonymous No.2969837]

>>2969814
>just learn to draw what you see

How is that gonna help you get better at drawing from imagination, you idiot?

[Anonymous No.2969858]

>>2969789
>while i'm over here sipping on some tea and completing a commission for a client.
Contrary to popular /ic/ belief, finding some faggot who's willing to pay money for your work doesn't say anything about the quality of your technical skills. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.2969860]

>>2969837
Drawing something is studying and memorizing it you idiot and in order to draw from imagination a good visual library helps you out.

[Anonymous No.2969866]

>>2955924
Lots of people fall into the anatomy meme.
Most anatomy artists cant into anatomy to save their life, yet they can draw anime very well.

[Anonymous No.2969870]

Literally all that matters is mileage and applying yourself. Everything else is memes, don't listen to the jew teachers.

[Anonymous No.2969873]

>>2958348
was tehmeh right?

[Anonymous No.2969878]

>>2958348
How is this even fucking remotely possible

[Anonymous No.2969883]

>>2969878
It's not. I wanna say the image is cherry picked, but it's not even that. It's pretty much fabricated.

[Anonymous No.2969884]

>>2969878
>Draw from imagination
>"Man, this looks shitty. Let me look up a ref and try to fix it"
>Do this 1,000 more times

Not hard, anon.

[Anonymous No.2969885]

>>2956252
How do you git gud at drawing from imagination. I can do sketches from observation but jack shit else

[Anonymous No.2969903]

>>2969885
How many times have you tried drawing from imagination?

[Anonymous No.2969909]

>>2969860
That's not how you get good at drawing from imagination you retard. You get good at it by breaking down and analyzing what you are studying so you can actually recreate it properly, not memorize what you see and then copy it again. That's the entire purpose of construction and using simple geometric shapes in the first place. I swear people like you are too dumb to understand the purpose of even the most simple concepts in art.

You're like a parrot imitating human language by recording and repeating exactly what you hear, but you'll never be able to actually speak it because your tiny ass bird brain doesn't even begin to understand the concept of language or what it is used for.

[Anonymous No.2969910]

>>2955682
>>2960618
Fucking sparklets ngmi

[Anonymous No.2969925]

>>2969909
>That's not how you get good at drawing from imagination you retard.

Like you'd even fucking know. You're probably trash like 99% of this board.

>That's the entire purpose of construction and using simple geometric shapes in the first place

Wow, I wonder how how literally any artist before the 20th century managed to draw from imagination then, because literally no one used construction save for maybe 2 examples in the entire history of art. Michaelangelo BTFO, I guess. Fuck, plenty of artists today don't even bother too much with all that shit.

>You're like a parrot imitating human language by recording and repeating exactly what you hear [...]

If anything it's the other way around. It's construction that's an abstraction of reality. To use your own language metaphor; learning to draw what you see is like immersing yourself into the language and learning it through application whereas construction is taking a bunch of key phrases and then arbitrarily slapping them on every situation.

[Anonymous No.2969928]

>>2969909
>That's not how you get good at drawing from imagination waah

>Learning how things are constructed is not how you learn to make copies are deviations of them.

Just how stupid are you?

[Anonymous No.2972462]

>>2955542
He should just stop trying to be overly funny.

[Anonymous No.2972478]

>>2972462
people are overly funny not because its supposed to be hilarious or even humorous. It promotes a light hearted atmosphere so that you're not taking it seriously. Which is what he's intending.

[Anonymous No.2972482]

>>2972478
At the same time bad humor can kind of cheapen the experience.
I, too, wish he'd kinda either hire someone with talent for humor or just tone it down a bit.
But it's not the end of the world by any means.

[Anonymous No.2972552]

>>2968625

If by errors you understand not photocopying the reference and making changes to enhance things like form and readability.
If you are not a retard, however, the lines in red don't show any errors and it just comes across as made by someone that doesn't know shit about using a reference.

[Anonymous No.2972568]

>>2968567
Scott Robertson you fucking pleb jesus

[Anonymous No.2972572]

>>2955978
The last 10 seconds almost made me tear up

[Anonymous No.2972842]

>>2958461
What formal training did he have anon?

[Anonymous No.2972854]

>>2972568
>ships and cars
>LITERALLY drawing boxes
gotta be shitting me

[Anonymous No.2972856]

>>2957066
Art dicko?

[Anonymous No.2972861]

>>2972552
No you shitstain. It shows errors that illustrate his lack of understanding of the anatomy. Even if his understanding exceeds yours and impress you. It's not just that his proportions are off. Just another of several errors is that the little finger can't bend in like that without its bone in the hand being lifted up. I don't care if he's your hero. That drawing is full of anatomical errors. You can say that you don't care and that's fine but don't make up some bullshit lie just to be a shitty white knight because you can't help yourself.

[Anonymous No.2972884]

>>2972861
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.2972902]

>>2972884
Why don't you lead by example for probably once in your life?

[Anonymous No.2972969]

Well while this thread is up, what are some other decent video alternatives to Proko worth checking out for a beginner?

I can't stand his humor and mannerisms despite the content.

[Anonymous No.2972984]

>>2972861

You are trying way to hard to legitimize your personal disdain. There's a massive amount of variety in hands, even when excluding occupational factors.

Proko is highly skilled, even if you disagree with his decisions. No need to be such a pompous cunt.

[Anonymous No.2973035]

>>2972969
>feeling this entitled
ngmi

[Anonymous No.2973043]

>>2972861

[Anonymous No.2973135]

>>2972861
>another of several errors is that the little finger can't bend in like that without its bone in the hand being lifted up

Oh man, I guess no one in the general public would think it's a good drawing now. I mean, if there is something that everyone looks for is that the little finger doesn't bend like that, anything but the little finger bending like that. Poor Proko.

[Anonymous No.2973230]

>>2972861
i see the mistakes you see, look up prokos paintings they lack a lot. honestly shows you though how important personality is in the art world, perfection also isnt everything

[Anonymous No.2973240]

>>2972969
Pathetic.

Only disappointment exists in your future.

[Anonymous No.2973286]

>>2973230
>somebody calls it "god tier"
>people then point out anatomical errors
>Defense force goes: "waah b-but he's popular so he wins.

This is an art critique board. Piss off to tumblr, facebook or where else you came from. There are no up-votes for you here to fish for.

[Anonymous No.2973351]

>>2973286
>butthurt because opinion is challenged
>0 talent or credentials demonstrated
>demands photo realism, worships Kim Jung Gi

[Anonymous No.2973355]

One thing that is glaringly evident after browsing this board for a few days is that you are all a bunch of pretentious pricks.

[Anonymous No.2973358]

>>2973351
>makes up bullshit and irrelevant requirements just because reality hit like a brick and it's too much to handle.

That it wasn't anatomically correct wasn't even challenged. Some people here just sperged out because errors were pointed out and need to attach some heinous motivation behind it. On a fucking art critique board.

[Anonymous No.2973435]

>>2973286
But you're fucking wrong and can't even redline.
Take your donut kremesicles elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.2973441]

>>2973435
Stop defending shitty work, you pleb.

>Take your donut kremesicles
I don't even know what you are trying to communicate here but you are obviously shit technically if you can't see anything wrong with the image that was redlined.

[Anonymous No.2973467]

>>2973441
Post your drawing then since you're so technically skilled.

[Anonymous No.2973468]

>>2955978
This actually inspires me. Everyone has things that they're not good at/need to work on even though they're great at other things.

[Anonymous No.2973477]

>>2973467
How about you post your own first since you think that's a requirement to judge technical skill or it would be pointless to show you anything.

[Anonymous No.2973482]

>>2973477
>but you are obviously shit technically i you can't see anything wrong with that image
implying you aren't complete shit.
so post your art since you do think its a requirement since you're the one who brought it up.

[Anonymous No.2973486]

>>2973482
>implying you aren't complete shit.
you are implying you aren't shit too if you think the above. But in reality you are likely much worse in technical skill than the guy posted about in the OP.

The other poster redlined what was wrong the image and it was legit. All you do is shitpost.

[Anonymous No.2973488]

>krugers aruging with krugers

another beautiful morning on the /ic/ artwork and critique

[Anonymous No.2973490]

>>2973486
>worse in technical skill than proko
wow, really?
Do you honestly think you have better technical skill than proko does? I'm really going to need to see your art now.

All I see is a faggot who wanted to show off his epeen by redlining someone far better than him.

[Anonymous No.2973493]

>>2973490
"you are likely worse than A"

>HUR U think u are better than A. Is that what ur saying. Yes it is.

Behold the shitposter exposed.

This is damage control in a classical form. Constantly trying to derail by acting stupid and drowning out anything they originally didn't like being posted.

[Anonymous No.2973495]

>>2973493
Why are you bringing something up in the first place that applies to almost everyone here?

I bet you don't make as much money as sakimichan so you have no right to talk about art any more.

kill yourself you dumb faggot.

[Anonymous No.2973501]

>>2973495
>Why are you bringing something up in the first place that applies to almost everyone here?

It doesn't. It's just that the thought process of shitposting is so integrated into your being that you imagine signs of it everywhere. You see every post as an insincere potential troll attempt. Perhaps you have been hanging out too long on /pol/?
We are on an art critique board and somebody legit critiqued art. Why are you trying to turn that into a drama about your drawprince and trolls who don't care about drawing and soon people somehow being jealous once you figure out how that fits in.

[Anonymous No.2973505]

>>2958637
Bear hand - what does the fox say

[Anonymous No.2973508]

>>2973488
What is even happening here? By this point I have trouble to tell who is who.

I'm still waiting for the day when someone is actually posting their art and it's good.

[Anonymous No.2973511]

>>2973508
>I'm still waiting for the day when someone is actually posting their art and it's good.
Why don't you do it? The guy who started demanding people to post their own art sounded like a faggot and you are gently following his footstep.

[Anonymous No.2973515]

>>2973511
But I have nothing to do with this discussion, I'm not even taking sides. What good would it be if I post my /beg/ tier art?

[Anonymous No.2973534]

>>2973515
why then come in here an tell how you wait for "somebody to post art" if you don't want to take part in the shitposting where somebody want exactly that?

So you are obviously contributing the the shitposting side of things and wanted to take part in it or you would not had bumped with more of the same. Asking for art wasn't a logical response to begin with.

[Anonymous No.2973540]

>>2973534
This is a shitpost thread to begin with, ya dolt.

[Anonymous No.2973549]

>>2973540
only if you make it one.

[Anonymous No.2973562]

>>2973549

[Proko No.2973580]

Hi, I'm Stan Prokopenko, welcome to another episode of Proko!

[Anonymous No.2973583]

Proko had a smooth life :)

[Anonymous No.2973626]

>>2973562
>not aiming for 66.6mil

[Anonymous No.2973660]

>>2973626
You have to be a white supremacist Neo Nazi though, to get to that level of subs. Proko is too pure and innocent.

[Anonymous No.2973790]

>>2958630
sauce this please for the love of god

[Anonymous No.2973798]

>>2958630
Bear hand - Zootopia

[Anonymous No.2974151]

>>2973358
You're so out of touch with reality. Full retard has been surpassed.

[Anonymous No.2974544]

>>2974151
>Still trying to recover

[Anonymous No.2974566]

>>2958630
Why are heart shaped pupils so hot.