/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2955437]

post some people who are really good at drawing females

(nsfw is ok too)

[Anonymous No.2955671]

Hiroaki Samura

[Anonymous No.2955686]

Mike Johnson Curry aka. mikejcOG

[Anonymous No.2955879]

Based Toriyama

[Anonymous No.2955891]

>>2955437
u-jin, very 80s anime, but i think in his (or her idk) manga he really captures a certain elusive quality of femininity

[Anonymous No.2955893]

>>2955879
Are you serious? This is shit, it's deformed as hell, fuck off spic

[Anonymous No.2955907]

>>2955879
awesome

[Anonymous No.2955909]

>>2955893
Deformed? I think it MIGHT be intended, don't you think?...

[Anonymous No.2956505]

>>2955893
>Deformed

Well yeah, it's stylized. Doesn't stop it from being a great drawing.

[Anonymous No.2956515]

>>2955437
kim jung gi. seconding samura,

[Anonymous No.2956582]

>>2955437
Bruce Wayne

[Anonymous No.2956725]

>>2955891
that looks fantastic wtf

[Anonymous No.2956767]

John Zylstra draw really cute faces

[Anonymous No.2956802]

>>2955686
Nice try, mike.

[Anonymous No.2956820]

>>2956515
>kim jung gi
Has drawn literal porn that doesn't get even a twitch of the dick. He may have anatomy and composition down but doesn't know what sensuality is.

[Anonymous No.2956824]

>>2956767
F I S H L I P S
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[Anonymous No.2956827]

>>2956820
Yeah, it's really weird that there's not a lot of sensuality to KJG's sexual art. I feel like it's purposeful, though. He does focus on morbidity and degeneracy, so I wouldn't be surprised if he draws sex so sterile.

[Anonymous No.2956830]

>>2955879
>tfw this would get shat on and loomis/fundamentals/perspective memed by everyone here
Is /ic/ right about anything?

[Anonymous No.2956832]

>>2956505
>>2955909
not him, but deformed as in planes of the forms are facing wrong directions and one of her legs is 3 times the size of the other one because toriyama can't/couldn't into perspective

[Anonymous No.2956842]

This thread sucks you people have no taste.

>Adam Hughes
>Frank cho
>J scott campbell
>Frazetta (i personally like it but not everyone likes his women.
>WIllian Adolph Bouguereau (oil painter)

[Anonymous No.2956847]

>>2956842
Too add
>Akira Hiramoto (famous for prison school)
>Yuuske Murata(generally everything he draws is amazing)
>Takehiko Inoue (Not 'sexual/sexy' but very expressive and interesting)
>Royal Koyonagi(hentai artist)

[Anonymous No.2956848]

>>2955879
No

[Anonymous No.2956850]

>>2956847
>royal koyanagi
>women
Dohoho

[Anonymous No.2956852]

>>2956850
hey futa's still have female bodies except for that one particular appendage. Besides most of his work is heterosexual. This is not the point.

[Anonymous No.2956886]

Eric Canete

[Anonymous No.2957097]

>>2955686
fuck off mike

[Anonymous No.2957133]

>>2956824
The term is blowjob lips, senpai.

[Anonymous No.2957177]

>>2956767
normalfag taste

[Anonymous No.2957223]

[Anonymous No.2957224]

>>2956582
Bruce Timm, you mean.

[Anonymous No.2957438]

>>2955909
>>2956505
>muh style
Lol no, stop seeing it as a whole and look at that disgusting sausage leg. The form is entirely symmetrical, there is no rhythm of flexion/extension or flesh vs. bone, she doesn't even have hamstrings. It's objectivelly shit.

[Anonymous No.2959085]

>>2957438
>What is exaggerated perspective?

[Anonymous No.2959152]

>>2959085
I have to agree that picture ain't halal

[Anonymous No.2959306]

Shane Glines

[Anonymous No.2959320]

>>2956830
This would get utterly destroyed. It's a nice pose though, though that amount of cartoon license is strictly forbidden here.

[Anonymous No.2959324]

>>2959306
good shit anon

[Anonymous No.2959361]

>>2957438
You can tell someone's been studying Loomis by how stiff their drawings are.

Obviously your interest is in anatomy. This is not an anatomy drawing. It's manga. It's meant to be drawn quick so you can tell a story. Also those leg proportions are very appealing to me for some reason. (It gives her a tiny round butt.)

Here's a something more for your taste.

[Anonymous No.2959375]

>>2956505
It's a low angle with a fisheye lens effect. These guys just don't get it. In the 80's you saw this a lot but mostly it was played for comedic effect.

[Anonymous No.2959420]

>>2956827
>porn drawings to masturbate
Pfft

[Anonymous No.2959422]

>>2956848
Get out

[Anonymous No.2959441]

>>2956582
> ping pong nip nong arr rook same
He's also the reason why we got baman fuckin bagirl and a shitty adaptation to what a comic classic. Fuck that guy

[Anonymous No.2959452]

>>2959441
He's also the reason for the Batman, Superman, and Justice League animated series.

With all the content this guy's been a part of creating, I can give him a pass for one bad movie adaptation.

[Baninberg No.2959458]

Heheheh

[Baninberg No.2959459]

[Anonymous No.2959470]

>>2959458
>>2959459
The fuck are you posting shitty memes for?

[Anonymous No.2959712]

>>2955879
>>2956830
>>2955909
>>2956505
>>2959085
>>2959361
Go ahead faggots, roast me.
My prescription is 20 hours of Vilppu's soothing voice upon your soul.

[Anonymous No.2959714]

whoops, potato quality

[Anonymous No.2959729]

>>2959712
good to know you'll never make it

[Anonymous No.2959734]

>>2957438
>stop seeing it as a whole
>stop observing it the way it was drawn to be seen

That's not how art works anon.

>>2959712

You'd have a point if the drawing on the left wasn't superior in spite of its anatomical inaccuracies.

Your drawing lacks all of the femininity, cuteness and charm of the original. While truer to life, the more precisely drawn anatomy is completely contrary to the mood of the drawing.

Toriyama stylized her anatomy that way for a reason. He draws his girls pudgy and dumpy to emphasize their softness and make them appear more childlike and thus more innocent and attractive (Japs gonna Jap).

Basically you missed the point entirely. Not just the point of this particular drawing but of drawing in general. As Vilppu said, there are NO RULES ONLY TOOLS. The ultimate purpose of drawing is to create something worthwhile, and all of the technical knowledge and skill only exists to serve what is being created.

In short, you're a faggot who needs to get off /ic/ and actually make something.

[Anonymous No.2959736]

>>2959714
nope
original's still better in all possible ways

[Anonymous No.2959750]

>>2959712
the japanese have a different way of creating images than the european/italian way. because they used to have ukiyo-e etc. the form has symbolic rather than realistic value. it's just another way of communicating information with an image. different languages for different cultures. the rules of composition and flow that the japanese apply to their drawings are just as difficult to achieve as realism. art is just lines and color on a 2d medium. people have found different techniques in making lines and color on a 2d medium appealing to the eye and saying one is better than the other when both require mastery and study is like saying the english alphabet is "better" at communicating meaning than asian alphabets or something. it's just a different way of seeing it. you close your eyes when you are exposed to forms of thinking and ways of doing other than the one that has been dictated to you. it restricts your freedom in making things because you will only ever stick to one way that has been dictated to you instead of creating yours by studying different teachers. you follow a defined set of rules and cannot get out of it because you are insecure about your art and do not see any value in it so you believe that if you have managed to adhere to a specific set of rules your art will have more value. but it won't, and your drawing looks really bad.

[Anonymous No.2959753]

>>2959750
>>2959712
this is NOT TO MENTION that you have like a ton of anatomical mistakes in yours

[Anonymous No.2959789]

>>2959750
>Those are not anatomical mistakes. I just perceive reality in an alternative symbolic way.

It's pretty obvious that you don't know shit about European comics. But symbolism is still not a good excuse for poorly constructed anatomy. It doesn't even need to be realistic.

[Anonymous No.2959828]

>>2959712
lmao, you have no idea how to draw the female form. You need to stop drawing muscly men and draw more women.

Also, why do you study Vilppu so much, do you plan on teaching anatomy later on?

[Anonymous No.2959858]

>>2959734
(those two people are me)
>That's not how art works anon.
That's precisely how art works.
Deconstruct, analyze and understand the process.
Looking for mistakes and fixing them is literally the only way to get good at anything.

You can make things feminine, cute and soft without butchering your anatomy or using repulsive sausage shapes. See some of Glen Keane's work, or hell, even Vilppu himself. The thing is that unlike Toriyama, Keane got good at interpreting the real life before he delved into heavy stylization.

>>2959736
It doesn't have better fundamentals, which is the only thing you can judge objectively.

>>2959753
I have? Thanks for noticing, could you please point some of them out?

>>2959828
>bekkaliyev
Good taste.

Asymmetrical shapes on human body are created by active and passive muscle groups working against one another. A symmetrical form is stiff, because it's literally stiff - both muscles are either flexed or relaxed. I assume this is the same for men, women, apes and everything that has muscles on it.
I guess I should've added fat pads to her hips, although hiding some of the anatomy, it would have sold the idea better.

And oddly yes, I do plan on teaching figure drawing classes. My biggest influence is Hampton, but Vilppu and his "feeling of the form" makes your head go poof! once it starts to click.

[Anonymous No.2959875]

>>2959858
>Asymmetrical shapes on human body are created by active and passive muscle groups...

Man, you're spewing out words like you're just now learning about anatomy.

It's a design, not an illustration. When you tell a story it doesn't matter if all the anatomy is correct. Mignola even talked about it at a panel. It's just distracting when you tell a story.

Toriyama is a good character designer, he can do a convincing character with few brush strokes. Deal with it.

I agree that he is not an ideal for drawing women though which is the point of the thread.

Also, if you keep studying Vilppu, you'll end up drawing with Vilppu's style. You'll end up with how HE sees the human body, not your own vision of it. If you end up teaching, you'll teach Vilppu's technique, not yours.

[Anonymous No.2959892]

>>2959858
First of all, you're possibly the biggest dunning kruger I've seen in a while. Did you actually think your redling was better than toriyamas original drawing? I'm not saying toriyamas original drawing wasn't flawed but your redlining if anything made it worse. You worsened the shape design and appeal, you screwed up the proportions of the figure by making the torso too small, you can't draw a proper clavicle to save your life, you don't understand how to properly construct a pelvis, I could go on and on but i'll just leave it there.

You're clearly a beginner level artist, unless you don't want to embarrass yourself again, don't redline artists who are leagues ahead of you.

[Anonymous No.2959904]

>>2959858
> Thanks for noticing, could you please point some of them out?

feet knees entire pelvic area shoulders perspective

[Anonymous No.2959912]

>>2959858
why would i want to know about european comics

[Anonymous No.2959915]

>>2959904
don't spoon feed him though, let this fucker sink

[Anonymous No.2959957]

>>2959875
I didn't say he's not a good character designer, I don't even know him. All I know from him is one drawing with a noodle leg. So I redlined it.

I think Vilppu teaches a method, not a style, but thanks for your insight.

>>2959912
No idea. I didn't say anything about European comics.

[Anonymous No.2959969]

Joel Jurion, fucking love his stuff

[Anonymous No.2959977]

>>2959712
Holy shit did you mess that one up. The original gesture of the inner leg is an "S" curve, not 2 "C" curves, there is no mistake there. The form is great and gives a sense of softness/ squishiness that makes her thighs seem thicc and juicy. In your version her legs looks like dried meat. No gesture, weak form and don't get me started on the leg to torso connection and those akward proportions.

80s/90s Toriyama illustrations are absolutely based and Dr. Slump and early Dragonball are fine works for their respective audience. While not being a fine artist, Toriyama has/ had a destinctive and pleasant style, while you have massive dunning kruger and don't know how to properly stylize. If you think Toriyama didn't study the fundamentals of figure drawing you couldn't be more wrong.

What next? Redline his car/ vehicle drawings and tell him to go back read Scott Robertson? Fucking hell, anon, you can't be this delusional.

[Anonymous No.2959986]

>>2959712

duningu krugeru-san

[Anonymous No.2960002]

>>2959977
The blue lines are structural, not gestural, but that's not the point -

The car is nice, I like it. And yes, if it was drawn with bad perspective, I'd redline it too. How does that not make sense to you?
Do you people just trash anyone who questions your manga idols for the sake of it, or do you think about the criticism for a second? Guess what, everyone makes mistakes, Kim Jung Gi, Vilppu, every manga artist ever, even fucking Michelangelo. Nobody's work is a slice of their soul that you put on a piedestal and shield from opinions of others. Are you guys even trying to improve? Geez.

[Anonymous No.2960020]

>>2960002
>The blue lines are structural
Are you this dense? Do you really think Toriyama lacks the underlying fundamentals? It's good to question stuff, but you're comparing apples with pears.
It's not that great artists don't do mistakes, but you should really think twice if you want to redline them when it's so apparent that you lack not only in drawing fundamentals, but in an understanding of what drawing fundamentals are.

You seem to be really proud that you did your figure drawing 101. And there is nothing wrong with that. How about you help out people who actually need it instead of making yourself a fool? I have a hard time taking someone serious who thinks it's a good idea to pay more emphasises on anatomical correctness than gesture and appealing forms.
And even then - heck your drawing is not only unappealing and stiff but just as stylized as the original. You know what quads are, congratulations.

Don't get me wrong, it's great that you analyze and study, but you seem and act fucking arrogant, while not having the skills to back you up. Not even closely. What you did wasn't trying to deconstruct a drawing, but shitting on it by your dumb doge meme and then getting defensive when others point out your drawing is shit. You're Nosebro tier at best.

[Anonymous No.2960026]

>>2955437
>>2955686
>>2956582
>>2956767
>>2956842
>>2956886
>>2957223
>>2959306
>>2959858
>>2959969
Shit

>>2955671
>>2955879
>>2955891
>>2956515
>>2956847
Good

/thread

[Anonymous No.2960027]

>>2960002
I really don't want to enter yet another sterile argument on /ic/ but all you novices posting and trying to correct artists that have established themselves a long time ago really fail to understand the most basic thing about art. Wanting to improve doesn't mean you need to look at a great artist's work and try to fix the flaws. Sure you're not forced to pretend you like someone's work, but you're an idiot if you think you can judge art like mathematics. The best thing you can do if you actually want to improve as an artist is to be humble and always look for something new to learn from other artists.

and yeah, in this specific case, your redline is just bad. Not only do you lose everything about the softness of the original drawing by focusing on the muscular and bony aspect and completely ignoring the fat and connective tissues, but you also made some pretty blatant anatomical mistakes. It wouldn't be as big of a deal in my opinion if it was an original drawing rather than pretending to fix someone else's work.

[Anonymous No.2960029]

>>2956582
I feel like I am the only one who finds Bruce Timm's women to be very unattractive.

[Anonymous No.2960031]

>>2956767
I like his work, but they all the look the same.

[Anonymous No.2960034]

>>2955891
>Tfw getting u Jin tattoo next weekend
Lmao I'll come back with pics

[Anonymous No.2960051]

>>2960020
Pic related is what I meant by structural lines and their symmetry, but don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to fight anymore. I re-read the thread and I think I can see people's reason for calling me arrogant - I got progressively irritated and refused to admit my drawing could actually be shit. I'm still at high school, it will take time.

So yea, sorry and thanks for having patience with me.

[Anonymous No.2960054]

>>2960051
>I'm still at high school

says it all really

[Anonymous No.2960094]

>>2960054
That illustration is still shit.

[Anonymous No.2960119]

>>2960026
god you're such a faggot

[Anonymous No.2960126]

>>2959712
>>2959858
It's true that the leg in the foreground of Toriyama's drawing has this sausage thing going on but your drawing looks fugly in comparison. Compulsively marking out muscle groups doesn't count as better fundamentals, especially when the muscles are incorrect and stylized in an unappealing way.

You not only lack skill but also taste. You'll probably never be able to draw a really appealing woman freehand unless you change your way of thinking.

[Anonymous No.2960140]

>>2960026
Have a (you) and some nice animation

[Anonymous No.2960166]

>>2960026
thank god anon that we have you here to clear things up

[Anonymous No.2960172]

>>2960126
>taste
>pic related is from toriyama's artbook

[Anonymous No.2960175]

>>2960172
That's not the drawing in question and it's not supposed to be an appealing woman either

[Anonymous No.2960347]

mor elike torishit
fuck dragon ball
fuck dragon quest
fuck chrono nigger

[Anonymous No.2960362]

>literal child criticizes a drawing that's probably older than they are
>toriyama would be drawing much better now anyway so the entire discussion is a moot point

[Anonymous No.2960641]

>>2960026
>it's opposites day

[Anonymous No.2960644]

>>2959712
You managed to make it worse.

[Anonymous No.2960653]

>>2959712
ur right everyone here is wrong.

[Anonymous No.2960660]

>>2960051
Not everything has to have absolute picture perfect anatomy to be a good drawing. You have to know the rules to break the rules, anon. There's a reason he's one of the most iconic modern artists out there, and you're not.

[Anonymous No.2960677]

>>2955437
Frank Frazetta

[Anonymous No.2960681]

>>2955437
Oscar Chichoni

[Anonymous No.2960926]

>>2960362
>ad hominem instead of constructive criticism

[Anonymous No.2960931]

>>2960681
Love the composition, love the rendering, love the anatomy.
I only wish one day I'll know the fundies well enough to fuck with them like the guy who drew this robot.

[Anonymous No.2960959]

>>2959969
underrated post.
based jjfrenchie.

[Anonymous No.2960976]

muthafuckin Mucha

[Anonymous No.2962699]

>>2955437
Luis Royo

[Anonymous No.2962732]

Alice madness returns

[Anonymous No.2963323]

>>2960026
It's like you just picked random posts to make a shitpost for the sake of shitposting.

[Anonymous No.2963540]

>>2960054
Hahahaha
One looks like it was done by a professional
The other looks like it was done by a tryhard who wants to apply all his most recent lessons into every single facet of his work

[Anonymous No.2965612]

>>2956767
can he draw anything apart from niggers?

[Anonymous No.2965667]

francis bacon would have understood thiccposting even though he was a fag

[Anonymous No.2966295]

Phil noto is great desu