criticize my shit

[Jay No.2878171]

title says all, find more of my shit to criticize here:
https://twitter.com/fizzle030/media

[Anonymous No.2878181]

well my first criticism is that I don't get the joke of the comic, and I can't tell if it's racist or not

[Jay No.2878182]

>>2878181
i assume you remember video stores having a porch monkey section in them?

[Anonymous No.2878215]

>>2878171
Few places where the words crunch together, making it hard to read. May be worthwhile to push hatman's expression a bit further towards sardonic in panel 2.

Writing overall could use a bump in quality. I get the joke, but the delivery falls flat. Then again, who the fuck am I? No one, that's who.

[Anonymous No.2878223]

>>2878171
You're sense of humour is drier than prokos tbqhwymgm

[Anonymous No.2878240]

Your work would work a lot better with fundamentals, i.e. studying anatomy and thinking of characters and area as being in a 3D space.
All good stylization comes from a good sense of how reality works.

Read the sticky because you will find a lot of resources there

[Anonymous No.2878386]

>>2878171
youtube animation + kevin smith, lost cause

[Anonymous No.2878391]

>>2878171
Very strong autism vibes, from the art ""style"" to the shitty jokes. Get back to the drawing board and try to find something more aesthetically pleasing, and try to brainstorm some better humor to go with it

[Anonymous No.2878408]

>>2878171

When you run out of reactionary, knee-jerk edgy jokes to carry your comic you will be in trouble. You may even have to realize you weren't funny to begin with.

And the art sucks.

[Anonymous No.2878412]

>>2878171
Reminds me of so many horrible webcomics. Like CAD or femmegasm

[Jay No.2878470]

no better place to be called autistic. writing needs a fix, got that. kinda hard to get everything right when you have little room to come up with everything and no context. maybe i just need to get used to it but it just might not be my thing. and yeah its unasthetically pleasing to look at ill agree, im new to using digital stuff.

[Jay No.2878472]

>>2878412
compare me to any shit comic you want, just not CAD

[Anonymous No.2878479]

>>2878408
>reactionary

>he's still roleplaying as a turn of the century russian peasant because the tenured teaching staff at his $40,000 a year college told him capitalism is bad while simultaneously being the primary instrument of his poverty

Grow up

[Jay No.2878482]

i get mixed reactions from the joke. some like it, some get pissy about it. if its a bad joke then fine, a bad joke is a bad joke, but they always put so much focus on the racism bit like it really bothers them, just makes it feel like they hate it on principal.

[Anonymous No.2878487]

>>2878482
I thought it was pretty funny. The drawing sucks but what ya gon' do.

[Jay No.2878489]

>>2878487
just glad i found people with balls to say it. most i know are total suck ups when i ask and didnt even tell me when they didnt understand.

[Anonymous No.2878492]

>>2878171

> the entirety of the joke is so that you can get away with using "dumb porch monkey"

hahaha xD

[Anonymous No.2878493]

>>2878171
Your shit is shit,
like others said it has strong autism vibes

[Jay No.2878496]

>>2878492
shoulda known people would get all pissy over the use o porchmonkey. i dont need a joke to get away with saying it.

[Jay No.2878497]

>>2878493
i get people calling it shit, but the autism shit i dont quite grasp

[Anonymous No.2878507]

>>2878496

no, the point is that you have no joke at all and that the entirety of your joke relies on an edgy slur. It's not that you used it (though that's pretty unfunny itself), it's that you have no joke otherwise. Your comic isn't even facebook-tier.

[Jay No.2878516]

>>2878507
well damn, i used a word you dont like, clearly i have no other material.

[Anonymous No.2878522]

>>2878516
op, your art would be good if it was 2005 and we were all on deviantart. and if we were all on the part of deviantart that didn't give a shit about art.

your color palette fucking sucks, with super saturated colors being plopped around at random, and a Tom-Preston-level-of-lazy background.

There's zero fucking thought put into the lineweight, your handwriting is crammed into the sloppily drawn bubbles, there's zero fucking effort put into any of the character's bodies. they are literally all just floating busts.

your style is legitimately disgusting, with mid-2000's bulging eyes, and half-assed designs that are typical for shitty gag webcomics.

At least learn to fucking draw if you want to be racist, retard.

[Jay No.2878523]

well damn since you guys couldnt handle the edge so much, i couldnt wait to share an old classic from two years ago, here Bleach-Man. this ones mostly handdrawn visual humor. and also much longer. https://img.ifcdn.com/images/37e356be685738bff920dc9e8299ac352c69204fa338e680dafb9be24014eb2e_1.jpg

[Jay No.2878524]

>>2878522
hmmm. guess i gotta make another.

[Anonymous No.2878529]

>>2878523
Did you just post a link to an image in an imageboard?

[Anonymous No.2878531]

>>2878171
You're a fucking idiot, Jay. The next time you want someone to comment on your work and help, you ask them for a CRITIQUE, not at CRITICISM.

Unless you're not the original artist and posted some of their work to have it harshly criticised here on 4Chan because you're jealous about the amount of "likes" they get instead of your work receiving that attention, then you linked this same topic to the real artist to show them how much their work is hated on ic.

In which case, learn how to bait better, kid. I've coughed up scarier stuff than this entry level shit.

[Jay No.2878532]

>>2878529
its a big fuckin image and linking it causes the least distortion of it

[Jay No.2878534]

>>2878531
its all my work, and i asked for criticism because its what i want. everyones a pushover when i show them my shit, i want someone harsh

[Anonymous No.2878536]

>>2878532

you're so dumb. read the fucking sticky before making another thread like this.

[Jay No.2878538]

>>2878536
aw shit not the ifunny tag

[Jay No.2878542]

seeing the old comic though made me want to go back to black and white again. i hate that fucking color wheel with all my heart.

[Anonymous No.2878545]

>>2878523
Dude. No one is saying your comic is shit because it's edgy.
They're saying it's shit because it IS shit.
The jokes is shit, the delivery is shit, the art is shit the colors are shit, even the handwriting is shit.
You need to improve your fundamentals, learn color theory, learn 3d visualization and such.
Don't ask for critique If you can't take it and have to make a shitty excuse because people are saying it's bad. Because it is bad, and it will stay bad if you do nothing about it.

[Anonymous No.2878551]

>>2878171
your artstyle reminds me of that fart fetish guy, AnimatedJames

[Jay No.2878554]

>>2878545
I didn't ask for a critique I asked for criticism. I get its shit there's just more heat over the use of the word than the joke itself. Also I'm pretty sure I'm done with color at least for now. I think I'll try making more full length comics so I that I have more to write with, I tried staying simple but it's not my thing. Also I'll be the first to admit the art is lazy and I'm a little ashamed. This thread has actually made me miss when I used to spend a whole week on a comic, as crude and as bad as it was it had much more ambition. Maybe I'll give a webcomic a shot like that guy on YouTube told me to do.

[Jay No.2878556]

>>2878551
I didn't mind all the other stuff but damn. That one hurt, dude

[Jay No.2878563]

Was ready to go start off on a new one but felt like sharing one more old comic

[Anonymous No.2878567]

>>2878563
Is this newfag trying old school tactics like baiting and linking?

You trying to be edgy, Middle School? Don't you have school? Are you one of those retarded kids who has to stay home?

Short bus not there yet?

[Jay No.2878569]

>>2878567
huh

[Anonymous No.2878588]

>>2878569
God you're such a fucking idiot. Did I call you out on your shit, you dumb fuck?

[Jay No.2878593]

>>2878569
huh

[Anonymous No.2878601]

>>2878171
Your artsyle is boring.
It looks like an even shittier version of Eddsworld artstyle.
In this particular comic, your characters lack arms.
When your characters do have arms they have no sense of anatomy.
The joke has a horrible delivery.
And stop with the huge eyes.
They don't look good, they look cheap and lazy.
Stop the random shapes for panels it looks messy.

Throw out this comic and try again.

[Jay No.2878603]

>>2878601
wow, 4chan reaaaally hates big eyes.

[Anonymous No.2878623]

>>2878171
Kek, this thread
[ - ]
saged famy

[Jay No.2878650]

early 2000s animation is what im familiar with and i guess some bitter jack offs find it 2edgey4me and would prefer that tumblr stephen universe bullshit. i dont mind criticism, i just cant shake the feeling alot of you got shit taste. yeah the writings shit but most of you just care that i used porchmonkey in it. ill go for less simplicity from here on out but christ i didnt think simplicity was a sin.

[Anonymous No.2878685]

>>2878650
Early 2000s animation sucks.
Steven tumblrverse sucks too.
Make your own style and people will like it.

[Anonymous No.2878690]

>>2878171
terrible art, non existent humor, please kys

[Anonymous No.2878691]

>>2878563
do you not understand that people read left to right or what?

[Anonymous No.2878692]

>>2878650
My favourite comic artsyle is Bone.
My favourite webcomic is Ksbd.

[Anonymous No.2878699]

>"criticize my shit"
>gets offended by critiques

[Jay No.2878706]

>>2878685
all styles are variations of another.

[Jay No.2878708]

>>2878699
i just think some have preconceived thoughts that are bullshit. i asked for people to criticize me, i never said i wouldnt question them.

[Jay No.2878709]

>>2878692
i like those but theyre nothing like what im going for.

[Anonymous No.2878713]

>>2878706
And your style looks like vgcats.

[Jay No.2878718]

>>2878713
>vgcats
never heard of it. i dont really read internet comics.

[Anonymous No.2878723]

>>2878554
>I didn't ask for a critique I asked for criticism.

What's the difference?

>>2878554
>Also I'll be the first to admit the art is lazy and I'm a little ashamed.


If you don't care about making it look good, why bother making a thread and ask for criticism?

[Anonymous No.2878724]

>>2878708
>i asked for people to criticize me, i never said i wouldnt question them.

You didn't question them, you dismissed them.

[Jay No.2878726]

>>2878723
critique is more productive and meant to help. its basically the nice polite version of criticism.

well the criticism made me realize how little i try now especially when i dont get feedback, so til now i guess it was just something i could get away with.

[Jay No.2878727]

>>2878724
how is saying why i doubt them dismissing them? i left it open for them to expand on, its not like i called them trolls and said i didnt care what they think.

[Anonymous No.2878739]

...and this, ladies & gentlemen, is how newcomers are welcomed on /ic/!
Enjoy your stay... (unless you don't want to improve & fear harsh feedback)

[Anonymous No.2878740]

>>2878171
It's not good, sry.

[Anonymous No.2878745]

>>2878726
If you want to make funny or political strips, you don't need to be great at drawing. Look at dilbert, it's absolutely lazy drawing. If comic strips that are funny look good it's just a bonus. (though posting it in an art forum implies that you think it does look good or you want it to look good...) Unfortunately your stuff is neither good looking nor funny. And I don't mean "not funny" as in too offensive, but plain simply not funny.

[Jay No.2878749]

>>2878745
yeah, im going to start doing much longer ones now. and im going back to black and white.

[Jay No.2878751]

>>2878739
i dont really mind the harshness so far, i just think some opinions are shit. i like early 2000s animation, they dont, so it doesnt matter how much i improve chances are theyre going hate it. joke writing, im not as concerned with. i feel confident i could write something better.

[Anonymous No.2878755]

>>2878718
Its shit. It is in the same artstyle with the same shock humor.
It mainly relies on LOLSORANDUMXDD humor. It even had some animated skits to go with it.

[Anonymous No.2878768]

This kid is hopeless

[Jay No.2878769]

>>2878755
i looked that shit up just now and i can say ive never had my feelings as hurt as they are now

[Jay No.2878773]

>>2878768
in denial about what specifically

[Jay No.2878775]

What the fuck am I supposed to do with these mixed messages

[Anonymous No.2878777]

>>2878749
>yeah, im going to start doing much longer ones now.

Longer doesn't necessarily make them better. Most webcomics are very short and can get a good joke across in just 3 to 4 panels. Most people have a short attention span and prefer short stuff.

South park would be another example I can think of with shitty art, highly offensive, racist, sexist but people love that show.

>>2878751
>i like early 2000s animation, they dont, so it doesnt matter how much i improve chances are theyre going hate it.

They still had much better proportions, perspective and linework. They didn't draw legs that looked as if you see them from the side when drawing a front view of the character, for example. Which you did multiple times! Take a look at anatomy and figure out what legs are supposed to look like on a front view.

I can assure that the people doing 2000s animation learned anatomy and proper drawing, even if they make the end result look as if a toddler could draw it. Making things look easy requires skill. Animation requires lot's of skill.

[Jay No.2878789]

>>2878777
but it depends on who or what. personally i need more to work with than a few panels and finding room for context makes things harder maybe i just need practice but as it stands i cant work with the format. south park, as you mentioned, would not work in 3 or 4 panels. they have an established universe, and a long written story for each episode that they add all the jokes into after. its writting style is way too reliant on context to pull off a joke with a few panels. i never argued that i dont need to work on my art, there are obvious improvements needed, what im saying is they wouldnt like my style regardless of skill. i could improve all those things you mentioned, but they still wouldnt like it. i have a specific taste when it comes to visuals and im not gonna change it because some 4chan users hate an era of cartoons.

[Jay No.2878792]

yes, south park is much closer to my taste. but i had grown somewhat of an audience on mytwitter, not many people, but twitters full of soft people and most of what i had posted had been soft shit. i kinda made the comic on the spot to establish things because i didnt want people to be shocked down the road if i did a risky joke completely out of nowhere.

[Jay No.2878796]

also i will start drawing things much bigger now. these comics were on paper originally, and drawn in very cramped spaces. i always thought comics should have small panels because the details will get lost when the panel is shrunken but that just may be making things worse.

[Anonymous No.2878799]

>>2878171
Your jokes are shit and your art is shit.

Looking at your work, it's clear you didn't bother learning any of the fundamentals, of which include proper line control, perspective, and rendering. Further, you lack knowledge in any basic anatomy. You stylized before you even had the vaguest idea of how the body looks, flows, and how it can be postured, which is why all your characters look so stiff, inconsistant, and unnatural. Stop winging anatomy.
The style you have isn't even appealing, it's just a rehash of that god-awful Invader Zim/Newgrounds-influenced style that was everywhere in 2004. Your jokes aren't funny, they aren't structured, they're sloppy, and really do fit in with the cringey SomethingAwful comic style you're going with.

My recommendation is to stop making these shitty comics, read the sticky, and begin working on your fundamentals. We have a beginner thread for a reason.

[Anonymous No.2878803]

>>2878792
>>2878796
How old are you?

[Jay No.2878809]

>>2878799
you are right about posture. i have bad habbits of starting details before ive finished modeling the body. ive done a little practice on it but not much. the writing i get, but as for art styles i dont see why invader zim is such a bad thing and i havent ever really used newgrounds so that comparisons just lost on me. ive been brainstorming better structure and ideas for writing, but im not changing my style. ill improve it but im not getting rid of it. the eyes are here to stay.

[Jay No.2878811]

>>2878803
what does that matter?

[Anonymous No.2878816]

>>2878809
>get proper critique
>nu-uh not changing muh style
10/10 op

[Anonymous No.2878818]

>>2878809
So you're going to sacrifice learning fundamentals and basic anatomy-- the things you need to actually improve-- for your unappealing-as-fuck artstyle?
Never gonna make it. It doesn't help that you hold this delusion of making a successful webcomic, like every other beginner artist.

[Jay No.2878820]

>>2878816
saying you dont like an art style because it reminds you of a show people like isnt a critique

[Anonymous No.2878824]

>>2878811
Because between your namefaggotry, the way you type, and the responses you've posted, you come off as an underaged. Now either you're an underaged, or you're an autistic twenty-something, and I'm going with the former.

[Anonymous No.2878826]

>>2878171
It is a girl, or a boy?

[Jay No.2878827]

>>2878818
i never wanted to make a successful webcomic, i considered trying one after recommendations. i never said i would sacrifice anatomy. you guys already compared my style to well recieved tv shows, how is that supposed to make me feel like i have no chance??? my art style being bad and being bad at anatomy are different things. i cant imagine any of your "good" examples being anything of actual value. probably anime or some shit.

[Anonymous No.2878830]

>>2878773
>>2878827

[Anonymous No.2878831]

>>2878820
>>2878827

Your art isn't shit because it supposedly resembles another style, it's shit because it looks outright shit. It has no line control, no consistency, no perspective. It's a disgusting mixture of angular sharp edges and lumpy round edges. Your refusal to learn anatomy just compounds it, because now you don't even know what you're stylizing to begin with.
It's symbol drawing.

[Jay No.2878832]

>>2878827
ive already been shit on for my tastes because i like the clerks movies, so im not trying to be a little bitch, but some opinions ive heard here sound pretty questionable so forgive me if i dont accept everything i hear from you all as fact. if i think your taste is shit im not gonna take judgement that seriously.

[Anonymous No.2878838]

>>2878832
Then tell us OP what were you expecting in criticism of your work?

[Jay No.2878839]

>>2878831
your criticism is my consistency, but i never defended that, i never refused to learn anatomy either i dont get why this is being repeated.

[Anonymous No.2878845]

Post in the beginners thread.

[Jay No.2878846]

>>2878838
i had no expectations, i just didnt think people hear would get worked up over something like clerks or invader zim. am i retarded for not knowing how universally hated those two things are? i feel like im on fucking tumblr or some shit and everyone hates anything mildly offensive or not anime

[Jay No.2878854]

>>2878824
try more like mid teens

[Anonymous No.2878858]

>>2878854
Enjoy your ban, kid.

[Anonymous No.2878860]

>>2878854
MMMMOOOOOOOODDDDDSSSS

[Anonymous No.2878864]

>>2878171
OP sure is a bitch

[Anonymous No.2878865]

>>2878846
Fuck. You dont seem to understand.
People arent saying ita shit because its like something else. People are saying its shit because its shit.
They compare it to other shitty things to give you a sort of shit scale.
Its like trying to describe an apple to someone whos never seen an apple, you say its like a pear but more round and red.
Your art is shit like other shitty comics, tompreston garbage, vgcats, and cad.
>>2878854
Also this board is 18+ bud. Reported.

[Anonymous No.2878866]

>>2878240
Is this pasta?

[Jay No.2878867]

aw shit nigga

[Jay No.2878871]

>>2878865
gee id hate to see whats on the "good" scale

[Jay No.2878875]

>>2878865
i mean, you guys hate invader zim or clerks so how am i supposed to take any of your shit seriously

[Anonymous No.2878881]

>>2878875
Because you fucking asked for our opinions. You dense motherfucker.

[Jay No.2878882]

>>2878881
i never promised id like them

[Anonymous No.2878888]

>>2878882
But you are just throwing away all critiques simply because they dont like your fapping material?

Thats pretty fucking juvenile.

[Jay No.2878889]

>>2878888
i havent dismissed any, just doubt

[Anonymous No.2878915]

>>2878875
>i mean, you guys hate invader zim or clerks so how am i supposed to take any of your shit seriously

One guy said he finds the art of invader zim awful, not "us guys". A single anon said that. And you can consider the art of a show shit and still love it - like south park.

[Anonymous No.2878918]

>>2878889
Also, invader zim still had proper perspective. A stylized and distorted perspective, but certainly one that required knowledge of perspective. Even a good one, because a distorted perspective can be harder.

Go learn the fucking fundamentals like perspective and stop pretending it's a matter of style.