It's making porn illustrations the only way to have success in patreon? I mean; I can't find a SFW artist that earn the money than Norasuko, DoxyDoo or even Sinner earn per week.

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Anonymous Thu Feb 23 11:11:51 2017 No.2872591 [Reply] [Original]

It's making porn illustrations the only way to have success in patreon?

I mean; I can't find a SFW artist that earn the money than Norasuko, DoxyDoo or even Sinner earn per week.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 11:21:40 2017 No.2872610 >>2872591 More like porn is the only way to make a lot of money on patreon Illustrators do commissions

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 11:27:48 2017 No.2872614

Only if you're male. It's sad that the only we'll know male artists I know of are Slugbox, Jolly Jack, Gerph, Bleedman, and Gashi Gashi. Shmorky was doing ok for a while before he was exposed as being a pedopphile but I attribute his success 100% to his trans thing. Tom Preston too but he fucked himself.

For the most part though it seems like porn is the common thread among male artists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 11:37:40 2017 No.2872621 >>2872614 Any female artists on Patreon that do porn? Curious to know if they get more simply for the concept of "girl drawing porn".

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 11:40:12 2017 No.2872626 >>2872591 John Park was making $6k per month until he got tired of it and slashed the prices and stopped updating

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 12:09:34 2017 No.2872664 >>2872626 More like made enough to take off for an entire 5 years.

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 12:17:27 2017 No.2872673

>>2872591
> I can't find a SFW artist that earn the money than Norasuko, DoxyDoo or even Sinner earn per week.

I take it you didn't search very hard then, considering Kron is literally the highest paid artist on Patreon after Sakimichan and he does exclusively SFW fanart.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 12:29:49 2017 No.2872681 >>2872673 Everyone knows who kroon is, kroon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 12:30:59 2017 No.2872682 How long til the bubble pops?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 12:38:11 2017 No.2872688 >>2872681 Well, then you know of a SFW artist who makes more money on patreon than those people listed, don't you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 12:39:02 2017 No.2872690 >>2872682 whenever mincome becomes widespread

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 13:02:33 2017 No.2872707

>>2872621
Marmalade Mum here.
I was about to make my Patreon. I had a decent following of 3000 and I thought that was an appropriate number to begin
Unfortunately, Nintendo took down three of my Nintendo drawings all within a week of each other which resulted in a ban.
So my account was deleted and I had to restart with a new one, ironically named Super Marmalade Mum.
I'm only back at around 300 followers, gaining about 50 a week, so its pretty unfortunate

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 13:29:17 2017 No.2872744 https://www.patreon.com/happydartist $4,018 a month, occasionally does tasteful nudes but not porn

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 13:33:47 2017 No.2872750 >>2872744 It's all busts of young women... who would fund this junk?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 13:36:12 2017 No.2872757 >>2872750 She has a YouTube channel and most of her subscribers are <15 old girls. She's also moderately attractive so she's got neckbeard fans too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 13:44:38 2017 No.2872766 File: 47 KB, 869x365, miso soup is actually pretty good.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] make a webcomic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 13:55:16 2017 No.2872770 >Akabur makes 6K a month for doing FUCKING NOTHING Still mad about Witch Trainer

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 14:03:36 2017 No.2872775
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>>2872591
>>2872744
>>2872766

This may just be my autism talking but why does it feel like I'll never get paid that much, or that I will but then go and ruin it by doing something stupid? What if the way I want to express myself is politically unpopular / gets my patreon shitcanned? What if I get overlooked no matter how much harder I work than the webcomic artists living off of corny jokes or the pornfags? Does anyone else ever ask themselves these questions?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 14:09:14 2017 No.2872786 >>2872775 maybe stop posting animu reactions to get you started

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 14:21:35 2017 No.2872805 >>2872775 keep your social media accounts disconnected. NEVER talk about politics. Draw every day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 14:35:42 2017 No.2872812 >>2872744 I think a lot of her success is through physical rewards, about half here patronage is through original pieces. Might be something to explore?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 14:45:10 2017 No.2872820 >>2872805 >NEVER talk about politics but I want to really make people think. Really cause their neurons to fire. Not tickle their pickles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 14:49:21 2017 No.2872824 >>2872820 No one cares and no one's buying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 14:59:36 2017 No.2872830 >>2872682 When shit loads of porn artists flood patron. Supply and demand. Plus give it time. Leaks will kill them to.

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 15:01:10 2017 No.2872831

>>2872775
>>2872820
Everyone is doing the amateur political pundit thing these days and the only time people appreciate it is if it aligns with their views. If you're making any explicit political statements, you're either tickling their pickles or alienating part of your audience. People like to believe they came across political or ideological revelations on their own, or from an educated, credible source. If you're primarily an artist but you voice your political opinion on the side, you're not going to sway anyone who believes otherwise, as they'll simply justify "Well, what does he know? He seems to spend most of his time drawing anime tiddies, not studying political science and economics". If you think you're a credible enough source of political or social observations, then find a separate, legitimate platform for espousing your views. The fact that you'd take to your art blog to share them is already a sign that you doubt your ability to attract an audience on your politics alone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 15:08:16 2017 No.2872835 >>2872831 But I thought artists always prided themselves on being controversial. That and people literally take comedians seriously when it comes to politics and even try to use their quotes in serious arguments. I see it all the fucking time my dude.

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 15:17:05 2017 No.2872841

>>2872835
Yes, people echo and appreciate political statements from just about anyone when it aligns with their pre-existing political views. People like to be part of a circle jerk, even when it doesn't advance their understanding of topics or challenge their views in a productive manner. You said you didn't want to just tickle their pickles.

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 15:23:44 2017 No.2872845

>>2872775
the word you're looking for is called anxiety
it's very simple, attempt to not say or do anything stupid and if you do? apologize
if you can't manage to act like an adult and apologize at least have the sense of mind to not respond and dig your hole deeper unless you seek a hollow following who craves empty antagonism

>>2872820
nothing screams "i'm going to clumsily and hamhandedly shove concepts and established symbolism together in ways that, while possibly novel to me, are cliched to anyone who's actually well versed in the topics i'm attempting to explore" than "i want to make people think", unless of course the thought you want people to think is "man, this some bullshit"

>>2872830
man, i don't know doxy at all personally and i'm sure they're probably a fine person but know that they're hella established in the furry fandom which features this dude called zaush who is an actual rapist and nobody really gives a shit cause he's popular so yeah nah, established furry porn artists are for all intents and purposes unsinkable from what i've seen

>>2872835
people who take comedians as serious commentators tend to be idiots

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 15:58:57 2017 No.2872870

>>2872845
fuck dude those are some genuinely good points. And yes I do feel a lot of anxiety lately. I'm thinking that now just isn't the right time for me to shill for all the right things and that I need to focus more on getting my sea-legs first thanks to your replies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 16:06:35 2017 No.2872875 >>2872591 How does one go about getting patreon Bucks anyways? Do I gotta just link it everywhere I go and hope people support me for whatever reason.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 16:34:35 2017 No.2872911 >>2872744 >tasteful nudes this is some of the ugliest samefagfaces ive ever seen. and i thought sakimichan was bad enough with cookie cutter art.

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 18:24:20 2017 No.2873055
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>>2872875
making shit for your audience rather than yourself.
people like porn, fanart, and comics. no one will pay you for a shitty illustration of your no-name OCs that only you care about

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 18:24:48 2017 No.2873058 >>2873055 >implying

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 18:28:10 2017 No.2873068

>>2872707
I looked at your art and I don't think anyone would have subscribed to you anyway dude

I mean yeah you had 3000 followers...but Shadbase has like 40k and he was barely scrapping 2-3k from patreon in the last year. He's popular but people don't want to pay for his shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 18:53:33 2017 No.2873102 >>2872591 Porn is a special kind of art because you actualy "consume" it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:12:26 2017 No.2873758 You don't have to make porn just draw a lot of fan art frequently. This will probably result in same syndrome but normies don't care about that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:26:30 2017 No.2873764 >>2872707 >Nintendo took down three of my Nintendo drawings all within a week of each other which resulted in a ban. What? More info about this. What was the problem of nintendo?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:29:58 2017 No.2873766 > success > 1000 dollars a month Even 3000 a month... how the fuck can you live on that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:33:49 2017 No.2873767 >>2873764 It's just tumblr

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:34:50 2017 No.2873768 >>2873766 It's per week.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:35:32 2017 No.2873769 >>2873766 1600 a month is minimum wage at 40hrs a week. So 3000 a month seems pretty good to someone like me

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:36:42 2017 No.2873771 >>2873768 1000 per week after tax is mediocre, but definitely very liveable. 3000 is definitely a high income. I'd love to make 1000 a week drawing porn desu

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:38:26 2017 No.2873772 >>2873769 But only retards make minimum wage in their careers after school (or even without school.) If you're making minimum wage as an independent then you really need to look into HVAC or Plumbing or Advertising...

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:40:34 2017 No.2873774 >>2873767 if it is not pornographic I do not have risks?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 09:43:27 2017 No.2873776 >>2873766 1000 per month is good depends on where you live. T. Europoor

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 15:09:17 2017 No.2874023 >>2873766 Considering current exchange rate, I've never earned even 1000 in my life, let alone 3000.

BlackHeartedInk(PhantomZ2) Fri Feb 24 15:19:41 2017 No.2874034

>>2872591

Kuvshinov Illya makes $3,000+ per week. I think it mostly depends on your following though. How much you're promoted, if you've done artwork before making NSFW art. All you have to do is click explore on the Patreon website and you'll find others.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 15:25:01 2017 No.2874040 >>2873772 I wasnt saying I make minimum wage. I was saying that 3000 is nearly double minimum so it would be very easy to live off of. Especially if you have no debt and dont spend money pointlessly

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 17:40:29 2017 No.2874185 why do you even want to avoid drawing porn?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 17:42:49 2017 No.2874188 >>2874185 It's not cool like my awesome fantasy and sci-fi OC that's never been seen before and will totally be a hit that'll make me a millionaire.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 18:03:51 2017 No.2874204 >>2872835 Only edgy teenagers and man-children pride themselves on being controversial. Nobody takes comedians seriously, people just like to hear opinions they agree with being voiced by witty people.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 18:11:58 2017 No.2874215 >>2873776 >europoor Hope you don't get raped by taxes desu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 18:18:33 2017 No.2874219 >>2874188 you can make money off that in other ways tho.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 19:39:32 2017 No.2874348 >>2873774 Nope. They're only targetting stuff that hurts the characters image/reputation. Still, making money from fanart remains a problem (copyright,etc...), but it looks like most companies don't care about it as much as they used to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 19:51:29 2017 No.2874374 >>2872775 There's this thing called "being professional". You should look it up, you retarded /pol/ /a/utist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 20:27:33 2017 No.2874408 >>2874374 Doxy is not in the least bit professional I stopped visiting his streams when every other noise was a burp from him

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 20:33:31 2017 No.2874413 >>2872812 >physical rewards oh my...

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 20:53:47 2017 No.2874431 >>2874408 You don't know how to speak burp?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 21:27:31 2017 No.2874480 >>2872614 Didn't he just have a 16 yo gf? How's that make him pedo? Or did I miss something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 22:16:50 2017 No.2874541 i make money off porn on patreon. honestly I don't know why i avoided drawing porn so long. it almost feels juvenile

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 22:17:40 2017 No.2874543 >>2874541 What kind of fetish do you pander to and how well does it pay off?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 22:27:58 2017 No.2874561 >>2874543 i draw large breasted girls getting it on with each other or other people. I'm over $850 per month now just counting patreon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 22:30:43 2017 No.2874563 >>2874561 How big are we talking? Like banana? Garbage bag? But really is that really it? No theme in particular. You must have good rendering or something, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 23:01:00 2017 No.2874599 >>2874563 they're big but not freaky. I don't do freaky fetishes, most hardcore thing I draw is anal. I consider myself an okay anime style artist

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 23:03:59 2017 No.2874602 >>2874599 Anime style, you say. How did you get noticed? Just plaster your patreon everywhere? Or did you have connections?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 23:12:59 2017 No.2874603 >>2874602 My dad works at Nintendo, so he pulled some strings.

Anonymous Sat Feb 25 00:17:16 2017 No.2874650

>>2874602
I know it's not loved here (which is why I don't post much) but it can be pretty lucrative to do anime style.

I advertise on hentai forums and boards. not excessively, but just enough to get me noticed, and people love uncensored porn. i will say that i've noticed social media is not a good influencer of success. i don't know why but most people on tumblr/twitter don't seem to have excess money? like i would say for very 1000 people on a hentai board one will pledge to you, while maybe excess of 5000-20000 on twitter/tumblr and you'll be lucky to get one pledge.

Anonymous Sat Feb 25 11:02:27 2017 No.2875040

>>2872614
majority of pornographic artists i follow are female, but that might just be due to stylistic taste.

I should probably also mention that most of these female porn artist are also furry. Chances are if you're female and drawing porn you're also a furry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 12:28:45 2017 No.2875084 >>2874408 You misunderstand. What that faggot really meant was I should be liberal and draw gay furry rainbow dicks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 18:03:27 2017 No.2875349 >>2873766 if you couldn't live off 3000 a month you're pretty much a super retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 18:16:04 2017 No.2875358 >>2875349 Explain

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 00:20:17 2017 No.2875652 >>2872591 Is it worth getting into patreon? How many hours do you have to put in? I figure going Twitter and just doing commissions might wield okay.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 00:52:05 2017 No.2875685 >>2873068 Yeah. I know I had a few people who said they'd back me up, but I've been really trying to improve lately.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 01:27:51 2017 No.2875730 >>2875652 the only thing you have to lose is some pride. i post art that i'm already drawing anyways

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 01:42:52 2017 No.2875746

>>2875358
I'm not him, but I used to live in an area where rent on a two bedroom apartment was ~2400$/month, and if you're in such an area and can't afford it, just fucking move. You don't have to move to some middle of nowhere shithole to get cheap rent/mortgage, there are actually relatively few places in the entire country where housing is more than 1500$ a month (especially if you get a roommate), leaving 1500$ a month for all your other expenses.

If you've got car payments and children and a deadbeat spouse to take care of, you've created your own problems, and I second what this guy >>2875349 said. Stupid kids thinking they're adults and try to "start families" when they can't even take care of themselves should just be shot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 06:19:56 2017 No.2875948 >>2874185 Cuz I find it boring and uninteresting. If I'm going to do something boring and uninteresting all day just because it makes me money, I might as well get a real job that provides a tangible benefit to society.

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 07:14:15 2017 No.2875980
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>>2875948
This resonates with me, but I would frame that very differently. I do artwork because it's what I enjoy, if I have to turn that into shit I'm not interested in, it won't be enjoyable anymore, and would be no different than dragging myself to any other shitty job.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 07:23:27 2017 No.2875990 >>2875948 >>2875980 what kind of jobs are you doing that are better than doing a few porn pictures a month?

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 07:53:35 2017 No.2876016

>>2875990
Pretty much anything, really. I live in an expensive part of the world. I don't know how much time the people in the OP spend on porn and related activities every week, but around here you can have a higher income working 25 hours a week doing unskilled labor if you don't mind getting your hands dirty. Heck, a full-time McDonald's burger flipper would make more money than Norasuko.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 08:03:32 2017 No.2876027 >>2872621 Sakimichan earns a fuckton of money

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 08:11:02 2017 No.2876033

>>2876016
at $742 per week, with 52 weeks in a year, no vacation, norasuko makes $38,584 annually before taxes (if the $742 rate remains consistent)

where do you live exactly, cause i would gladly work at a mcd that pays that much even if all i could get was part time cause at 20-30k is nothing to sneeze at especially when i can easily add to that with art on the side

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 08:28:55 2017 No.2876037 >>2876033 >Norasuko this. even if it was $750 per month that's more than what many parttime retail jobs in my area will afford you

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 08:39:46 2017 No.2876044

>>2876033
>>2876037
Denmark.

By the 2016 agreement between McDonalds Denmark and the 3F union, the starting wage for an over-18 employee is 118 dkk/hour, or 17.5 USD/hour. That's not counting extra for overtime, working on holidays or bonuses for seniority.

That said, Danish is a tricky language to learn so foreigners will have some trouble getting a job where you need to talk to people a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 08:42:57 2017 No.2876045 >>2874480 You probably missed all the child molestation diaperfur roleplaying he had with them

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 08:50:27 2017 No.2876048 >>2876044 while that is high for min wage, google does say: >n Denmark, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 26 945 a year so which is it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 08:54:30 2017 No.2876052 >>2876048 >>2876044 and further quick google searches say denmark has laughably high income tax (seriously, what the fuck it's 60% for normal people not even the rich?)

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 09:01:51 2017 No.2876054 I thought InCase was a woman for a little while because he creates solid PWP, but...

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 09:11:11 2017 No.2876061

>>2876048
It's high-ass taxes is what it is. Also that statistic includes everyone who isn't working, like children, NEETs, the elderly (which is a continually growing part of the population because of the low birth rate), etc.

>>2876052
Well, that's the socialist paradise of the north for ya. I can't complain too much about the tax rate, since the education it pays for has saved me from the 50k+ student debts my expat acquaintances complain about and the "free" health care has saved me a lot of problems growing up, but there's plenty of good reasons not to live here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 17:53:48 2017 No.2876591 >>2872621 Sticky Sheep. She worked on skull girls I believe. She's now known as Sooty Sheep though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 17:58:35 2017 No.2876599 >>2872820 Just don't. Seriously people either don't care, get overly offended, or think you're retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 19:58:03 2017 No.2876727 >>2872744 Fucking dreadful... good on her for eeking out a living with that shite.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 00:11:09 2017 No.2876989 >>2872621 There's a diaper fetish artist called "Merunyaa". 1k a month, off of doing shitty art for an extremely niche fetish. ABDLs are fucking thirsty and I worry my even mentioning her in this thread is going to summon her SDF.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 01:06:19 2017 No.2877027 >>2872621 i do it. there's more female hentai artist than you think, but it's easier to assume they're male.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 01:07:01 2017 No.2877028 >>2877027 This actually bothered me a lot to find out because obviously women are more accepted to draw, so they had a head start over men to make it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 01:31:04 2017 No.2877040 >>2877028 well men tend to enjoy programming and other more advanced skillsets, such as 3D imaging. those pay more than porn ever will

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 10:57:01 2017 No.2877336 File: 811 KB, 1050x1253, tumblr_ocvm8sFqG71r5jxbso1_1280.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2876989 This is an example of her art its abyssmal

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 11:13:28 2017 No.2877358 >>2876054 PWP?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 12:53:39 2017 No.2877414 File: 292 KB, 1003x991, Rchan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] well, this is my stuff and I expect earn 1000 usd per month between commissions and patreon. At this moment I have 300 followers on Facebook and 180 in deviant. How I doing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 12:54:35 2017 No.2877416 >>2877414 Pretty good How do I reach your level?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 13:31:52 2017 No.2877452 >>2877414 I see you learned your anatomy from sycra

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 13:56:39 2017 No.2877469 I love how these threads always turn into a debate about living costs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 14:33:22 2017 No.2877495 >>2877416 Well, I did draw all my life. But I improved when I started to take seriously this "profession". That and lear from others. >>2877452 I do not know who is she/her. I learned some things from Doxy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 14:35:45 2017 No.2877497 >>2877414 that's not how tits work

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 14:38:43 2017 No.2877500 >>2877497 Very original insight No one cares

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 14:39:50 2017 No.2877503 >>2877500 you should if you want to improve

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 14:41:37 2017 No.2877504 >>2877497 If I try to learn how the fucking human anatomy works I will never end to learning. That patreon and those commissions never come if I only study anatomy

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 14:45:14 2017 No.2877508 File: 907 KB, 4000x4000, Ryoga EXT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2877504 Look this one. Have issues, I know it. But I need post a lot as I can.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:13:34 2017 No.2877529 File: 718 KB, 1124x1600, mg6_00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2877503 Yeah, sure, cool

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:33:01 2017 No.2877540
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I mean he's been ripping off Joel Jurion from the get-go but does anyone else think this is a bit much?

It's a shitty misinterpretation/subversion of the vibe of the character too.

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:40:18 2017 No.2877543
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The fuck, I thought you guys got it by now.
Anatomy the way /ic/ often preaches it is a meme. Without learning proper form and construction skills beforehand, anatomy might even be harmful to your learning curve.

>>2877414
You want this to be your full-time job, right? I'd expect an artist with this skill level to make about $200 on Patreon if he had some decent reward tiers set up and charge about $35 for a commission with similar amount of effort.

You can make twice or thrice as much depending on how well you market yourself or how bizarre porn you're willing to draw, many other artists did.
But if you want to be payed according to your drawing skills, you better read a book or watch a lecture from time to time. Practice more and you'll make it.
Cheers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:46:01 2017 No.2877549 >>2877529 What's that pic supposed to mean? That ugly tits have success with a niche?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:54:31 2017 No.2877555 File: 81 KB, 266x275, pic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2877529 Someone took that Katy Coope's How to draw Manga book wayyy too seriously

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 16:35:52 2017 No.2877589
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>>2877543
well, thanks.

>You want this to be your full-time job, right?
Yes.

>You can make twice or thrice as much depending on how well you market yourself or how bizarre porn you're willing to draw, many other artists did.

I don't want draw porn. Just some naughty artworks but not porn.

>if you want to be payed according to your drawing skills, you better read a book or watch a lecture from time to time. Practice more and you'll make it.
Cheers.

thanks and of course I'll do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 16:44:13 2017 No.2877595 File: 26 KB, 500x493, tumblr_inline_ojkmsxlBtZ1t82h4j_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2877336 Well, I think it's time to kill myself. Bye /ic/

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 16:47:31 2017 No.2877600 >>2877543 >some decent reward tiers set up Any examples for this? I've been trying to come up with some but it's difficult for me. Would be adding a tier with a chance to win a colored sketch request be a good idea?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 16:48:41 2017 No.2877603 >>2877600 literally any patreon Anything goes for your rewards too Although Really? A chance? You're going to give me just a "chance":?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:03:47 2017 No.2877610 >decent reward tiers Never been to patreon. Is it possible to make money on that site by just painting and drawing without being part of the reward system?

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:19:10 2017 No.2877618

>>2877589
The more vanilla your thematics are, the more artists there will be in your category competing for customers.

>>2877600
Good question.

- Patrons like to feel engaged and personal with the artist, make them feel like they just got invited to a concert backstage of their favourite artist
- Make sure there's something for both artist/non-artist fans.
- Avoid rewards that put extra work on you, such as "sketch every month", or at least make them expensive.

Good reward ideas:
>High res of finished work, PSD files
(free)
>Early access to finished work
(also free)
>Sketch batches
(you'd do those anyway)
>Process pictures/vids
(you got invited to the backstage of my thought process)
>critiques/paintovers
(help out your fellow artists)
>Private patron-only stream sessions
(the "cool kids" club)
>make free tutorials and offer patron-only bonus content
(they'll get a taste and come back for more)
>draw 3 or 4 thumbnails for your next piece and let the patrons vote on which you'll take to finish

Rupert Everton has a pretty cool $10 reward:
>An ongoing strip show. Pledge 10$ and you can vote on which piece of clothing will be removed next

Limit rewards that put extra work on you (monthly sketch, commission discounts). There's only one you for all the patrons, find a way they all can get something out of supporting you.

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:50:02 2017 No.2877828

>>2877618
i'm very convinced you do not run a patreon. psd files should be in your 10-15 dollar tier, as should most tutorials. the rest of that stuff will wear you out to burnout in no time.

here is a real tier set-up:
$5
sketches, early access to work, blog shit, etc

$10
hi res full color pieces

$15
access to PSD
tutorials (optional)

$45-$95 (limit 2)
if you have prints you can sell them here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:54:40 2017 No.2877842 >>2872591 Jeph Jacques makes $200,000 a year drawing SFW

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:57:00 2017 No.2877848 I don't want to poo-poo another artist but how does Sinner make that much money? Have you seen this work? It's pretty awful looking, very awful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:59:23 2017 No.2877850 I have a question; what the fuck happened to Shadman? Have you seen his site recently, it's all black dudes fucking lolis or celebrities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:03:05 2017 No.2877855 >>2877850 He's been streaming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:08:26 2017 No.2877861 File: 716 KB, 1200x1700, 2017-02-26-tana-mongeau-apology.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have a question; what the fuck happened to Shadman? Have you seen his site recently, it's all black dudes fucking lolis or celebrities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:16:11 2017 No.2877871 What do you expect. You can't get something out of nothing. People online don't PAY money just to see pretty pictures of trees and money. Some do, but not a lot. We are biologically wired to crave blowing a load. Nothing beats that. Nothing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:27:10 2017 No.2877888 >>2877540 what do you mean? what does that have to do with jurion

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:33:06 2017 No.2877895 >>2877861 Conservatives like cuck porn, bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:35:48 2017 No.2877898 >>2872820 Very few artists have anything insightful to say. Unless you based your art off of political shit (IE doing political comics or something), people probably don't want to fucking hear it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:36:40 2017 No.2877901 >>2872614 >Jolly Jack I like how he hasn't really advertised his patreon, yet he gets like 500 dollars a month. He no longer updates anymore though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:13:46 2017 No.2878059 >>2872591 If you're in art for the money then you've chosen the wrong career path.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:40:05 2017 No.2878079 >>2878059 except you can make $50,000-$300,000 a year depending on what you do. More than doctors in some areas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:43:09 2017 No.2878084 >>2877861 >what the fuck happened to shadman? Nothing. He was never good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:43:49 2017 No.2878085 >>2878079 >$50,000 Nice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:53:33 2017 No.2878091 >>2877618 Wut, checked a lot of patreon and none of them put PSD files and HD finished artworks for free, they put it at least $6 for that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:04:32 2017 No.2878100 Where do artists usually upload their PSD to? dropbox? and did they manually send it to their patrons or just by link?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:22:30 2017 No.2878112 >>2878079 Except thats maybe %3 of all artists. If you're doing art to try and get famous or rich you will be sorely disappointed

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:50:33 2017 No.2878132 >>2878091 They meant that it is free for the artist doing the patreon because the artist does not have to do any special editing or anything. They just upload their ordinary work straight to patreon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:42:14 2017 No.2878169 >>2878112 where do you get that number? hobbyist artists i wouldn't count, since many are literally children. they have no interest in making art into their job or taking steps to even apply to companies like game dev, advertisement, and etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:50:42 2017 No.2878207 >Fan Art >>2872591

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:25:58 2017 No.2878235 >>2877414 >it's the typical /ic/ style, a loomis reference body with a shittily drawn anime face Not going to make it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:28:51 2017 No.2878238 >>2878235 >it's the typical /ic/ style, a loomis reference body with a shittily drawn anime face I didn't realize there was a typical /ic/ style.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 14:48:00 2017 No.2878679 >>2877540 it always annoys me just how bland his drawings are, They're always very same faced in my opinion

Anonymous Wed Mar 1 07:34:03 2017 No.2879658

>>2877540
seems different enough imo

>>2878679
i still dont get why arist aren't called out for this. as for people that do this dont they realise they're just as bad as fairy odd parents and danny phantom for having to some face. like doesn't it bother them at all?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 10:19:57 2017 No.2879739 >>2879658 >Not knowing silhouette does more to differentiate characters than facial features. >What is style?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:23:10 2017 No.2880831 >>2878084 Exactly. He's also a degenerate slob, so he has no redeeming qualities at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 04:11:23 2017 No.2880870 >>2876045 Roleplaying is a crime now? I roleplay all the time as Hitler sending jews to the ovens. What now? Fucking retards.

Anonymous Thu Mar 2 05:54:16 2017 No.2880952
File: 1008 KB, 2048x1536, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>wanted to draw Pokemon
>look up references
>porn shows up
>get horny
>draw sexy Pokemon

Do I have a future career in R34? I know I fucked up the back leg but I drew it in 5 min.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 06:41:20 2017 No.2880976 >>2880870 Oy vey

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 06:49:15 2017 No.2880981 >>2879739 That's cool and untill a character changes hairs styles and out fits then they look like diffident character. Since the visual cue to recognise a character is their silhouette which is just their hair and clothes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 11:17:13 2017 No.2881177 >>2880981 So you don't change it. How often does Butch Hartman go off model?

Anonymous Thu Mar 2 16:08:05 2017 No.2881503

>>2872820
Artists don't become profitable by telling people things they don't want to hear.

Artists that are political and popular are ones that are subtle and work their views stealthily into a work that is appreciated for other reasons, unless they're dedicated political cartoonists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 17:17:13 2017 No.2881591 >>2880952 work hard 10 years and maybe

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 17:24:05 2017 No.2881606 File: 51 KB, 259x259, 1380434894711.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2877529 the last girl in the row I'd give my left testicle to have a girl like that smug, small tits and perfect body, woof

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 18:25:05 2017 No.2881692 File: 454 KB, 822x531, bbcuck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bbc-chan launched yesterday. he's at 320.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 23:27:50 2017 No.2882021 >>2881692 that's a pretty nice style.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 23:29:14 2017 No.2882024 >>2881692 Where did the patrons come from? Although >this good >only $321 per Update Makes me sad desu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 23:31:06 2017 No.2882027 >>2882024 >launched yesterday come on dude, read

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 23:33:46 2017 No.2882030 >>2882027 Are you implying it'll go up a lot more? Come on anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 23:35:34 2017 No.2882031 >>2882030 >implying patreons don't continue to grow over time are you fucking serious or memeing me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 23:58:46 2017 No.2882044 File: 134 KB, 772x1000, sample-a6fe7eed74eed012bc54fb7e947aadc8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2872621 Fanarts simply wasn't getting sakimichan enough money so she's since resorted to poorly done nude alternatives to the fanarts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 00:00:58 2017 No.2882046 >>2873766 Mind you that's just a base number. It's not even including whatever prints or additional stuff they're offering.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 00:01:43 2017 No.2882049 >>2882046 Nor is it including any other job they take on. No one actually does patreon full time even Sakimi doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 00:03:44 2017 No.2882054 >>2882044 hahaha holy shit that dick placement

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 00:22:13 2017 No.2882072 >>2882049 >even Sakimi doesn't what else does she do? high profile jobs? the reason people don't do patreon 'full time' is because it doesn't take much time to do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 00:26:36 2017 No.2882077 >>2882049 As much as she's making there's literally 0 reason to do anything else. Just the occasional shitty sketch every day or two whatever her schedule is and rake in the bucks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 00:27:12 2017 No.2882078 >>2882044 >Stomach dick Welp, you know she's a girl artist now. This is literally the meme for girls.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 00:30:57 2017 No.2882080 >>2882044 so slimy looking. reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJSWy2o_1I

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 02:57:31 2017 No.2882219 Did you forget about comic artists? They do pretty well on patreon as well as DIY/Craft artists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 02:58:40 2017 No.2882220 >>2882219 What's the point of patreon again? Free money?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 03:00:01 2017 No.2882221 >>2882220 i think only the worst dumb people who've never created anything ever say something like this. there's literally no other explanation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 03:30:07 2017 No.2882241 >>2882220 Are you legit retard? Do you know what "patron" means? Or maybe you think old masters draw for free?

Anonymous Fri Mar 3 10:46:04 2017 No.2882496

>>2882049
If you look at how much work she actually produces for patreon, she's definitely working nearly full time for that alone. She wouldn't be as successful as she is if she put out less content (not saying it's good, just that it clearly takes a lot of time).

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 09:52:10 2017 No.2883650 >Have a moderate fetish following, known in many places online >Want to open a patreon >Taxes makes me want to not make one I don't really get how taxes and patreon work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 10:31:35 2017 No.2883673 >>2883650 ...you pay them. like any other income.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 11:18:40 2017 No.2883712 >>2877543 Are there any good books on the sticky for construction and form?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 11:25:37 2017 No.2883721 >>2883712 Probably not, but the best construction and form sources I have found are The Dynamic sketching seminar by Peter and both the book and the seminar from Michael Hampton on figure drawing. You can't go wrong if you grind both of those sources

Anonymous Sun Mar 5 00:36:24 2017 No.2884623

I'm a retarded autistic girl, but I'm somewhat attractive and usually have a lot of people asking to sleep with me, but I have zero social energy. I've tried to do tumblr, DA, FA, and currently Facebook for my art, but I've never had luck for the fact that I suck and I lack the ability to interact with people because autism.

Drawing is also really hard for me because I'm legally blind and it takes me forever to finish something. I'm on SSI and I really need more money. The only hope I have is to attract people with my looks.

That being said, what social media is best in conjunction with patreon if I can only handle running 1? I'm also apprehensive about the reward system, considering I can take two weeks to a month to finish one small sketch. Am I just screwed? I'll also draw really hard kinks like inflation, scat and watersports, but not cp.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 00:40:45 2017 No.2884624 >>2884623 Cyarin pls... stay

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 02:42:01 2017 No.2884714 >>2884623 Pls be my gf

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 03:55:02 2017 No.2884758 >>2884623 MUMBAI U M B A I

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 12:06:29 2017 No.2885155 >>2873766 As a slav I could live a decent life for 1k and an ultra comfy one for 3k.

Anonymous Sun Mar 5 12:47:04 2017 No.2885201

>>2872835
>I see it all the fucking time my dude.

Think about the people you see taking comedians seriously and quoting them in serious arguments.

Now think about the level of education they have involving political science, economics, or international relations. Then think about whether the rest of the time you think they are stupid and ignorant fucks.

You'll probably find a correlation there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 12:49:20 2017 No.2885202 >>2884623 Kill yourself, you blind piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 12:52:32 2017 No.2885206 >>2882049 calmdraws does. nigga makes $1800 a month.

Anonymous Sun Mar 5 12:57:22 2017 No.2885211

>>2873772
>But only retards make minimum wage in their careers after school

The vast majority of jobs that exist are going to be minimum wage or very close to minimum wage. There is a glut of capable workers in most states.

> If you're making minimum wage as an independent then you really need to look into HVAC

Certainly. But there is a barrier to entry here

>or Plumbing

and here that you probably don't know about. Trades are generally well paid because there aren't a lot of them. And there aren't a lot of them because unions (for locales where a union exists and requires membership) tend to keep new employee intake low in order to have greater leverage for wage and salary negotiations when contract renewal comes up. They also tend to be top heavy so the older members of the union (not necessarily by age but by time in the union) are more "recession proof" than the younger members. So when the union needs to purge membership to keep hours and wages up it's the youngest members of the union who get let go.

Additionally trade school education isn't standardized so there is no guarantee of good training from place to place. My best friend runs the weld shop for the company he works for at the port in my city (pretty big port because it's Florida) and he's literally crumpled up someone's welding certificate from the local college because they were garbage at actually welding.

For a lot of these well paying trades it has become de facto more important that you know someone already in. My best friend for example only got started on his career path because his father (a contractor) knew a company at the port looking for temp workers to do bitch work. So by personal introduction he got on. Then after three years he made enough friends that out of 30+ temp workers he and one other guy were asked if they wanted to apprentice for a trade and everyone else was let go. Then he spent the next 5 years moving around the country on different jobs.

>or Advertising...
LOL

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 12:57:38 2017 No.2885212 >>2884623 So like, if someone where to sneak into your room and masturbate in your face while you draw, I guess you wouldn't see him cumming?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 14:45:11 2017 No.2885353 >>2885206 > a month Nope, per artwork. Makes 2 per month usually.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 15:54:27 2017 No.2885449 >>2885353 he usually only makes one image per month

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 00:23:47 2017 No.2886207 >>2885212 Lol pretty much. I have a couple stalkers who leave me gross notes, and I legit check my closests multiple times if I go out during the day.

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