/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2843133]

Opinions?

[Anonymous No.2843136]

>>2843133
Useless if you're not dedicated.

[Anonymous No.2843151]

I'm still not really sure what New Masters Academy is, but came into posession of some vids and really like it.

[Anonymous No.2843164]

>>2843133
Pretty good deal if you consistently watch it. I got the Black Friday deal so my sub doesn't end until the end of Feb and I only got it for 30 bucks.

Steve Huston and Vilppu are absolute gods.
Danny Galieote and Karl Gnass are pretty top tier.
Erik Olson is for perspective autists
Sheldon for candybar memes.

[Anonymous No.2843168]

>>2843164
Show your progress.

Genuinely asking.

[Anonymous No.2843175]

>>2843133
Too many cooks in the kitchen. Scam for your money.
Pros:
Great reference library...probably the best online and for 3D model as well

Love the Jewish guy and his banter.

Erik Olson is probably the best on there.

Vilppu sama...need I say more?

Cons:
fuck Huston and his shit

business model is built on a con-man stick I believe I've already written extensively on this but as per-usual /ic/ ignores my gospel

[Anonymous No.2843180]

>>2843175
Why do you hate Huston? Never heard of him, btw

[Anonymous No.2843184]

>>2843175
>Scam for your money
>Likes Jewstein
Gee I wonder why you poorfags are so mad.

[Anonymous No.2843186]

>>2843175
It's "schtick" (or "shtick", depending on which part of the country you come from)

I don't suppose you think that $40,000 a year art schools that accept students who can't even hold a pencil properly and have teachers who couldn't even reproduce the Prokongaroo on their best day are the very picture of integrity?

[Anonymous No.2843228]

>>2843184
It's so obvious that you're 14.

[Anonymous No.2843254]

>ripped fucking everything
>sub ended just before huston published his advanced head lectures
fffffffff

[Anonymous No.2843256]

>>2843254
Just resub you dumbass

[Anonymous No.2843267]

>>2843175
>I believe I've already written extensively on this but as per-usual /ic/ ignores my gospel

Damn, I wish I could read that. Could you summarize your criticisms for me anon?

[Anonymous No.2843279]

>>2843175
>business model is built on a con-man stick I believe I've already written extensively on this but as per-usual /ic/ ignores my gospel

Share, anon.

[Anonymous No.2843303]

>>2843267
He's talking about how they have a blurb on their subscription page that talks about how artists can be successfully self taught using content like NMA in lieu of formal art college, which is absolutely true and the numbers prove it-he's just butthurt because the bill collectors from Art Center® won't stop harassing him about the six gorillion dollars he owes them.

[Anonymous No.2843310]

>>2843279
>>2843267
it's in the archive
>>/ic/thread/S2807656#p2835533
>>2843303
Talk about projection. Have a read at the archive since you are clueless.
>>2843186
I meant to write 'carrot on the stick' but said forget it before I left my shift.

[Anonymous No.2843317]

>>2843310
Reads like /pol/shit drivel. Whatever.

[Anonymous No.2843321]

>>2843256
It's not worth it just for one lecture 2bh

[Anonymous No.2843323]

>>2843317
You're the same person that harasses me calling me a /pol/ tard and I hardly browse /pol/ all because I said one slightly racist thing once and it hurt your feelings at some point.

Give it a rest already.

[Anonymous No.2843324]

>>2843186
>the Prokongaroo

is that what we're calling it now?

[Anonymous No.2843326]

>>2843310
What an asinine post, and you actually like it enough to have kept it close at hand in the archive.

Sad!

[Anonymous No.2843329]

>>2843326

Why do they persecute me so, lord?

[Anonymous No.2843338]

>>2843323
Actually haven't been on 4chan since November last year. Thought maybe the retardation and /pol/shit stench would've gone down a bit by now. Guess not.

[Anonymous No.2843341]

>>2843338
/pol/ is GOOD

That post was still straight retarded tho, family.

[Anonymous No.2843346]

>>2843338
Pretty sure you're the same person who uses the same 4 reaction images for your post. You can't hide your posting style from me.

[Anonymous No.2843352]

>>2843341
>>2843346
Jesus, the stench is horrible.

[Anonymous No.2843356]

>>2843352
Don't you got some porn you need to be drawing?

[Anonymous No.2843364]

>>2843356
Oh god, I need a bucket

[Anonymous No.2843370]

>>2843364

;-)

[Anonymous No.2843380]

>>2843310
Thanks for the link anon. It's kinda sad that their subscription service is nothing but a paid marketing tool for their advanced courses. Oh well...

[Anonymous No.2843390]

>>2843133
if you really do the work its a good place to learn. try it for a month for sure .( maybe rip some vids while you are there for later .) i liked it though. learned stuff for sure

[Anonymous No.2843402]

>>2843133
lot of good info for absolute beginners but as >>2843175 says it's not worth it beyond that point. I really have a problem with their site and video player setup. the navigation is terrible and there isn't any order to the lessons. chris legaspi's lessons are the worst. bill perkins has great lessons on color theory and painting. huston rambles too much. vilppu is great. danny galiot is so-so

if you do subscribe, make sure to download all the hq model photo. they are top notch reference

[Anonymous No.2843407]

>>2843310
Thanks for sharing that anon.

There seems to be a dearth of three-point perspective material in general. Any leads on good resources for this?

[Anonymous No.2843464]

>>2843164
Sheldon can die in a fucking fire

[Anonymous No.2843714]

>>2843164
>no mention of based fucking Rey Bustos
some of the best anatomy lessons out there
>>2843175
this post is garbage

[Anonymous No.2843719]

>>2843714
>Rey Bustos

This, ffs. He's an absolutely delightful old beaner that sounds like the lead singer of the Samurai Pizza Cats theme song and his course on Anatomy is arguably as good or better than Proko's just for its clarity and brevity (Proko has the advantage of the 3D models though).

[Anonymous No.2843723]

>>2843719
Sorry for the double post but just look at this latin lothario ladies man's shit nigga. Thanks for reminding me he exists-I need to watch and follow along with his lectures some more.

Bringing up the Bustos v. Proko thing again too: a big advantage for Bustos over Proko is that he's drawing the shit right in front of you in real time so you have a good chance of being able to follow along pretty closely and internalizing it if you have decent hand speed and control.

[Anonymous No.2843779]

>>2843324
Say what you want about stan but he has some good shit on figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.2843827]

>>2843723
plus Bustos studied under Hogarth and has studied actual anatomy on human bodies, he knows a lot of shit that average art teachers don't

[Anonymous No.2843840]

>>2843719
The reason he isn't popular is he has you trace reference rather than build up on some sort of constructive method, making his lessons fall short. Primarily a sculpture teacher.

[Anonymous No.2843846]

>>2843840
but thats completely wrong, he teaches you how to construct and build up the anatomy from the skeleton up from various angles (which he does completely from his head), and THEN uses anatomy tracings to show you how the forms actually look like and how they vary on actual humans which is how you should study anatomy.

[Anonymous No.2843850]

>>2843133
I don't know if it's on-topic or not but I really need this.

Does anyone know where to get the proko anatomy, portrait and figure drawing courses (torrents etc) without paying for them?
My job pays less a month than what he's asking for.

[Anonymous No.2843854]

>>2843846
I wonder how you can write that and not come to the realization he does not use a constructive approach and then layering anatomy. One would think that before pressing post you stop yourself and see that he is indeed a sculpture teacher.

Post his construction drawings. I'll wait for your return.

[Anonymous No.2843872]

>>2843850

wait a bit, gonna upload it on mega ( I only have figure and portrait tho )

[Anonymous No.2843877]

>>2843133

NMA was the art school I never had. I wanted to learn how to paint 3years ago, and this is a very good place to start learning the fundamentals of painting. Steve Huston is my absolute god. My style is very different from his but he is a well of knowledge.
I learned a lot from Bill Perkins as well (he is all about colors and values).

I'm gonna resub soon, since I grew up a lot as an artist, need to doublecheck my basics a bit. Legaspi, Asaro and Bustos's courses looks greats.

Con : you have to email them to unsub. Maybe it changed, but 3years ago you had to.

[Anonymous No.2843879]

>>2843854
what the fuck are you even talking about >>2843719
are you too retarded to see the perspective in this picture? he literally teaches you how to construct the figure by layering muscles on top of a skeleton in 3 dimensions.
The reason he teaches scuplture is because every good art teacher knows that sculpture is literally the best way to teach anatomy, and thats what he is, an anatomy teacher, not to mention that his sculptures are literally construction

[Anonymous No.2843882]

>>2843850
At least two of these are on cgpeers.

[Anonymous No.2843885]

>>2843175
lol, kill yourself. Huston is very good.

[Anonymous No.2843889]

>>2843882
I am not accustomed to cgpeers, that's why I didn't find them. Thanks for the lead

>>2843872
Good enough for me, I'll be here waiting.

[Anonymous No.2843893]

>>2843882
Damn.
Registration is currently Closed. (Opens for 48 hours on the 1st & 15th)

[Anonymous No.2843895]

>>2843879
I'll respond to you in a few hours.

[Anonymous No.2843900]

>>2843895
i think i know what our problem is, you seem to have a very narrow view of what "constructive drawing" is, if the artist is constructing a figure and thinking about every form and their relationship in space it IS constructive drawing, there are multiple methods and his is a valid one as he teaches form in detail from multiple angles.
The opposite of constructive drawing would be something like sight size drawing where you're just copying shapes and values, which is not what he teaches.
As for the sculpture, building your own ecorché is tested and true as one of the best wasy to learn about form and anatomy for any visual artist, and you can even use it as reference in the future, if you watched his videos you'd see that they're not really sculpture lessons, they're anatomy lessons using scultpure.

[Anonymous No.2843922]

>>2843889
gonna take a bit of time, be patient

[Anonymous No.2843924]

>>2843175
I'm trying to grind through erik/bustos/vilpu but i'm not fast enough reee

[Anonymous No.2843925]

>>2843922
I have the tab open in the background whether or not you're a troll, don't worry.

[Anonymous No.2843953]

>>2843900

You're right, maybe I do have a "narrow" view of what constructive drawing is. I mean construction drawing. My bad, I guess that's what happens when I don't eat breakfast.

Construction in a sense of practical application to a regular working method. Krenz, Vilppu, Borenstien, Gnass, Huston, and Hampton (to name a few) all have practical construction methods that lead to anatomy and the little guy, Bustos, does not.

But studying the bones is a valid learning method. I'm saying he's not popular because he's no construction guru as he primarily works with sculpture.

[Anonymous No.2843955]

>>2843953
wait a minute I wasn't all that out of it...>>2843854 I'm still waiting for those pictures....let's not run in circles here

[Anonymous No.2844008]

>>2843953
>>2843955
Krenz methods aren't about accurate anatomy, they're about believable mannequinization and strong perspective, which is one way of doing construction
>>2843719
these are constructive drawings, whether you like it or not, they show perspective and understanding of form, and not a simple flat imitation of life, but the core of his subject is HARD anatomy, with small simplifications.
Basically the difference is those other guys are drawing instructors, and he is an anatomy instructor (for all visual arts).
Basically this guy is there to teach you the anatomy that you are going to construct on top of those other basic methods like Krenz.

[Anonymous No.2844015]

>>2844008
>Krenz methods aren't about accurate anatomy

That's besides the point. You're missing the point over your head. He's not popular, simply because he looks like the dude from 40 year old virgin with a catchphrase "for gods sakes" as if a pin is stuck in his brain from the lack of sex due to Huston banging all the models in the New Masters Studio. A pleasure deprived coot who's only redeeming quality is to pass down what his master has taught him, despite being the less popular anatomist (and for a reason).
>Krenz methods aren't about accurate anatomy
I didn't mention accurate anatomy did I? I specifically mentioned construction. Which you still did not post construction drawings from Bustos of the figure as seen in my name drop examples: krenz, vilppu, Hampton, Huston etc.
>these are constructive drawings, whether you like it or not, they show perspective and understanding of form, and not a simple flat imitation of life, but the core of his subject is HARD anatomy, with small simplifications.

Not really, he internalized in his rote memory a bone from life to get the point across about where the muscles attach. Sort of like how vilppu always teaches a gesture class opening up with the woman having her leg extending forward and outward. It's just examples. Again meanwhile, we have Krenz who can construct from imagination and turn things in actual perspective and 'hard' tested theory of measurement by cube.

I'm still waiting for those pics...if not just admit he's a sculpture teacher and we can move on.

[Anonymous No.2844023]

/ic/ arguments are the worst

[Anonymous No.2844028]

>>2844015
what the fuck are you even arguing about anymore, you moved the goalposts so far i can't even see them
there's only 2 facts here :
>he uses construction in his drawings
your opinion on this doesnt matter, they are constructive drawings of anatomy in perspective, done from multiple angles in his lessons, the picture in this very thread is a constructed simplification of the skeleton.
>he teaches anatomy
which he does using both drawing and sculpture

is it that hard to understand?i don't give a fuck that hes popular or not, hes not a drawing teacher, hes an anatomy teacher and hes good at it.

[Anonymous No.2844041]

>>2844028
>what the fuck are you even arguing about anymore
same here, my first post >>2843840 was in reference to nobody mentioning him and then you go off on something else to which I reply why it is
>your opinion on this doesnt matter
Ooooh so mine doesn't matter but yours does and it's claimed as fact. Okay, buddy.
>done from multiple angles in his lessons
If you compare and contrast the "free" bustos videos on CGP to the ones on NMA I'm sure, with that smart brain your mother whispers in your ear each night that you have, you can take an educated guess all he is doing is drawing the bones from wrote memory for simplicities sake. Hell he even says this as he is lecturing "for simplicities sake" but perhaps you can't catch that because you're so dum-I mean very smart dude. You can figure it out.
>is it that hard to understand?
I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand why you won't post construction drawings from him. It's been at least 4 hours now. Let me give you a summary hint: it's not the wrote memory chalk board drawings

[Anonymous No.2844047]

>>2844041
if a drawing uses perspective then it is constructed.
>>2843719 this drawing shows perspective, therefore it is constructed (a constructed drawing from memory is still a constructed drawing ).
you said he doesnt use construction, which is factually false, which was my problem, if you can't understand these simple points i can't help you, at least i got to see what autistic ad hominems look like (i'll leave the last word to you).

[Anonymous No.2844055]

>>2844047
>i'll leave the last word to you
You're too kind, sir, too kind.
*Ahem*
>ad hominems
nah man nah don't say THIS phrase anything but ad hormones

We can conclude that he is a sculpture teacher, which was my original conclusive post >>2843854 , agree to disagree about him being any good at construction, inferior to Krenz and co, 40 year old virgin loser, balding, sex deprived and jealous that even Vilppu is getting some side snacks, and move on like always.

Nice talking to you.

[Anonymous No.2844091]

>>2843323

Dude, you talk like one. You literally do. You know you do. You do it on purpose.

You act like this woke, enlightened person but it's all about an online subscription service for art lessons. Of course the system they present is skewed their way. They're a fucking business. Their aim is to make money.

All artistic resources are attempts at making the teacher some kind of money. What the question is, is "Are these lessons going to be helpful or not? What should be supplemented?"

You can find the things for free. Literally for free. Your parading offers nothing and accomplishes nothing.

[not him btw No.2844092]

>>2844055
>what are the form lines he uses constantly in his drawings of muscles and shit

You are fucking stupid kid. When someone draws anatomy from several different angles and positions that should impart you with enough information to construct it, particularly if you take the time to make an ecorché and literally 'construct' it in clay, you subhuman retard.

Also, nice projection you saucer tits faggot lmoa.

Ray Bustos busts his big spic dick off in supermodel beaner sluts every night while you're still trying in vain to stroke that leathery micro penis buried under the buttery rolls of fat you 'constructed' over it while pirating hundreds of videos and references you've never and will never use.

Not.
Gonna.
Make.
It.

[Anonymous No.2844101]

>>2844092

Ironic you using a racial slur but then attack me about being some /pol/ tard whenever I say something that hurts your feelings. Lets drop it there because you're not even him anyway and I'm done talking about this topic.

Also like how you assume my gender. I'm a girl fyi. I pay for my stuff less I wouldn't be having this conversation, unlike you. You're the dog who begs me to upload to CGP. I suggest you know your place.

[Anonymous No.2844117]

>>2843925
here is the figure one https://mega.nz/#F!w9UCHLpB
key : !ms43PsCZxzXwx-i2f71nvA

[Anonymous No.2844147]

>>2844101
>attack you about being some /pol/ tard
>everyone that disagrees with me is the same person

That was my first post addressing you-I've never called you a /pol/ tard; I'm from a place very much like it, myself.

>You're the dog who begs me to upload to CGP

Naw, this is the opposite of true. I don't pirate most anything these days. When I was a penniless highschool kid things were different but nowadays I make a point to buy stuff because I voluntarily want to support artists/software developers as it's easily within my power to do so.

I don't think most people that pirate things are bad for doing so but I also wouldn't personally go out of my way to help them do it either. When it comes down to it we're all competing with each other; I'm fine with giving critiques and advice on a personal level but I'm not going to waste my time helping one artist rip another one off.

To elaborate, when it comes to books specifically it's a bit different (especially if the author is dead) because I think most people would instinctively purchase a used copy anyway which does nothing for the content creator themselves. I mean more stuff like NMA, Proko or Matt Kohr's stuff etc.

I mean, shit nigga, I'll give a waitress 5-7 bucks for bringing me $20 worth of food over the span of a half hour meal at a sit-down restaurant, I think I can give an artist a few bucks for content they may have spent months or years preparing, gnomesaiyan?

[Anonymous No.2844154]

>not going directly to Vilppu's personal academy and learning only from him if you're worried about "spilling the broth"

[Anonymous No.2844158]

>>2844147

>I'm from a place very much like it, myself.

I...just can't tell anymore. You all sound the same.

That is good that you buy. People like Vilppu (the only thing I bought from Vilppu was an overpriced PDF off his site for 1 measly infographic, never again) Proko etc. can go fuck themselves I'll pirate their stuff. Anyone who lives in So Cal and already established deserves to be pirated. They don't need a dime.

I pay always for art books, though. I like seeing a collection on a bookshelf.

[Anonymous No.2844159]

>>2844154
Isn't his personal academy much more expensive than nma though? He's got like 100 10-20 minute videos on nma for heaven's sake.

[Anonymous No.2844189]

>>2843133
dope!

[Anonymous No.2844273]

>>2844147
>1/4 black
>6% Ashkenazi Jew
>Can't help but pirate things and get things for free
>Have 12k in a safe right next to me

Kek.
To hell with everyone in the world.

[Anonymous No.2844467]

>>2843925

last one
https://mega.nz/#F!V8FACAiA
key : !clHeG13BzwrtjetjM3xkDA

enjoy anon

[Anonymous No.2845045]

>>2844467
You are a god.
Thank you anon, this will help me greatly!
Currently downloading.

[Anonymous No.2845050]

Faggy cleanup boy talking about me in discord why don't you show yourself like a man?

[Anonymous No.2845128]

>>2844273
>can't help but pirate things
>have around 70$ of leftover money to use for something (clothes, better food, hobby stuff, luxuries etc) after a month's work
>have to save up money for half a year to buy a course that some murrican thinks it's pretty cheap
>if a game is really good, I'll eventually buy it on steam or g2a just to support the developers even though I'm buying the game at a lower value or when it's on sale
Fuck that shit son, I'll pirate anything I get my hands on and steal print paper from work to draw on if I have to.
If I eventually make enough money, I'll give back no problem but right now fuck that shit.

[Anonymous No.2845236]

>>2843175
Wtf is wrong with Huston?

[Anonymous No.2845290]

>>2844467

Offline.
New Ninjas Academy.

[Anonymous No.2845402]

Maybe it's not my learning style but I kinda regret spending so much time with Sheldon and his begining course. I need an assignment, is not enough just to watch someone draw and ramble on about nothing. If they at least gave you something to do at the end of every video so you can re-enforce what you learned that would have been awesome. Don't get me wrong maybe other teachers do that but so far with Sheldon is just watching someone draw. Give me an assignment dammit!

[Anonymous No.2845405]

>>2845402
Usually if you need someone to give you an assignment, it means you're not at a high enough level to really be learning from these kinds of things.

[Anonymous No.2845409]

>>2845405
literally what

[Anonymous No.2846511]

>>2845409

Can you not give yourself assignments based on whatever the topic was about?

[Anonymous No.2846529]

>>2846511
You can but this is bare beginner content were talking about. How is a beginner going to know what to practice exactly and know when to move on?

[Anonymous No.2846671]

>>2843324
no, during the stream he also made a kangaroo thing that was almost as bad as this

[Anonymous No.2846691]

>>2846529
...? You work that out yourself? He teaches material, and you apply it in your own work? I have another hobby which I sometimes use Youtube to learn from, they don't have "assignments", you just learn from what they teach and apply.

You can't expect them to hold your hand.

[Anonymous No.2846724]

>>2843175

that's explains why the Olson's content its look like it's cut off, really, the perspective series was awesome but unfortunally it's incomplete, even in his lectures he said that he will teach 3 point perspective, but he never show up.

I highly recommend following the lectures, but have in mind that misses: 3 point perspective and shadows in pesrpective.

[Anonymous No.2846761]

>>2843175
What this Anon said

Too many cooks, too focused on beginner / intermediate, no real aim in mind. The reference library is great but it's got some real limits