/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.2841396]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a question thread for that.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

OLD THREAD: >>2838617

[Anonymous No.2841397]

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[Anonymous No.2841410]

This shit is harder than I thought it would be. Also because of my desk setup for sight size drawing I can't seem to use more than my wrist and I'm chicken scratching as a result. Do I need to get a drawing board for max comfy or can I keep practicing like this?

[Anonymous No.2841446]

>>2841168

So how do I add weight to them? Or more precisely where should I have?

[Anonymous No.2841447]

>>2841410
Can't exactly answer your question, sorry.
But I want to ask how do you construct eyes with the help of that cross? How do you use it?

[Anonymous No.2841449]

WIP shot of the "do you bite your thumb at us??" scene

[Anonymous No.2841454]

>>2841449
pleb tier taste in style

[Anonymous No.2841459]

>>2841454
yeah probably

[Anonymous No.2841466]

>>2841449
Also this. How do I convey smoke

[Anonymous No.2841471]

>>2841466
you should work on fundamentals before considering stuff like that. you are symbol drawing and your figures are very naive.

[Anonymous No.2841488]

>>2841447
Are you asking because you're unfamiliar with Bargue plates or because you want to know my process? If it's the second, I just put down the cross and then try to find points that fall on the cross, and start drawing lines from those points. That's probably the wrong way to do it though.

[Anonymous No.2841492]

>>2841488
Would this be with a reference eye?

[Anonymous No.2841494]

>>2841488
>>2841492
Oh wait I just googled "bargue plates"
Thanks for the reply

[Zoboro No.2841495]

>>2841449
you can leave /beg/

[Anonymous No.2841496]

from the last thread

[Anonymous No.2841498]

>>2841496
ref
looks nothing like it ughh

[Anonymous No.2841500]

>>2841498
LOOMIS

[Anonymous No.2841504]

>>2841403

[Anonymous No.2841510]

>>2841396
P-p-p-plaster P-p-p-plates

[Anonymous No.2841511]

>>2841496
Convert your ref to black and white (Not to draw from just to compare) and you'll see the difference in contrast, the area near her neck and hair is almost black but yours is just barely greyer than the highlight on her nose.

[Anonymous No.2841517]

i don't know what I'm doing and where to start. I did right side of the brain in highschool years ago but I never found it useful. I mostly draw from imagination and suck at drawing from ref. What should I do to become better.

[Anonymous No.2841520]

>>2841517
Draw from imagination and fix with refs
That's the magic formula

[Anonymous No.2841525]

>>2841520
How do i go about getting better at using reference? Like how do I become photocopy mode?

[Anonymous No.2841526]

Idk

[Anonymous No.2841527]

>>2841525
Check for proportions all the time

[Anonymous No.2841530]

It's so hard starting out when everything you make looks like shit. This is the best human i can draw from imagination. What books should i start with and which should i move onto later? Sticky is so overhelming, I don't know what I should focus on first. Also, seeing sycra's work, is he worth listening to? I don't want to end up like him.

[Anonymous No.2841536]

>>2841530
Just draw from life
And maybe read Hampton
His approach is a bit confusing though
It's not very technical and is more of a feel thing

[Anonymous No.2841546]

>>2841530
Take a step back dont draw so close to the paper

[Anonymous No.2841547]

Going to buy some books because I prefer learning on paper. What are the best most essential book?
I think I'll go for keys to drawing and perspective made easy, what else should I add?

[Anonymous No.2841623]

[Anonymous No.2841627]

>>2841530
>Sticky is so overwhelming.

It's literally a step by step guide, you mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.2841628]

>>2841623
edgy but not uninteresting

[Anonymous No.2841713]

Study I did of a reference a nice anon gave me yesterday.

[Anonymous No.2841717]

>>2841713
The shadows are much better in this one!

[Anonymous No.2841724]

>>2841713
reflected light is too muted and not gradual. your cast shadow is misplaced and your edges are too sharp.

[Anonymous No.2841738]

feelin' rusty. The wings are supposed to be coming from the back, but I flubbed on the paper size.

[Anonymous No.2841744]

>>2841717
>>2841724
Thanks a lot. Will take down notes of what you said. I forgot to touch up the edges after using the circle tool.

[X No.2841754]

>>2841738
i think head should be smaller...
If you need more space use B4 - A3(297mm x 420mm) size paper. or document

[Anonymous No.2841761]

>>2841627
Checked just for you, and no. It's not. It gives you all books etc. without any real instructions. If you don't know what you lack, or lack every skill, then it's not for you. Also, fuck off nosebro.

[Anonymous No.2841763]

Does anyone know of a general guide to drawing with a drawing tablet? I'm a bit overwhelmed here.

[Anonymous No.2841766]

>>2841763
Sticky is so great, you should check it out, there should be something about tablet im sure

[Anonymous No.2841767]

>>2841763
you mean like a regular one or a touchscreen one?
it's just a matter of hand eye coordination practice. and set your settings to match the screen size

[Anonymous No.2841769]

>>2841763
I felt the same at first, Sargent said to get so used to brushes that you use them as naturally as pencils, you should do the same with your tablet. Practice, practice, practice.

[Anonymous No.2841771]

>>2841766
There aren't any tips for actually drawing with a tablet.

>>2841767
>>2841769
I guess I'll just have to get used to it then. It's a bit frustrating to start off with though.

[Anonymous No.2841773]

>>2841771
B-but muh sticky...

[Anonymous No.2841774]

>>2841754
I currently only have printer paper at my disposal. Moving on to editing it via photoshop.

[Anonymous No.2841787]

I started on the 6th ..ish... of January.

Shooting for a cartoon style, not photorealism, but I want to avoid good-enough-itis. I am shooting for correct proportion, perspective, anatomy, and lighting... Obviously exaggerated or stylized, but consistently correct.

I'm constructing from imagination. I dig up a reference if I get stuck somewhere. I have a smattering of guides, and I've read Loomis.

Here's a few from yesterday and today.

Maybe eventually somebody will give some advice...

I'm extending my 20 minute limit to 40 as I get further along, because I found I can't finish in 20 anymore.

[Anonymous No.2841788]

>>2841787

First figure. More to come.

[Anonymous No.2841789]

>>2841713
>>2841724
Made the fixes, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.2841790]

>>2841787
>>2841788

Here's another figure. Stupid time limit. This is my second.

I see little point in littering pages with unfinished figures and gestures, I learn nothing. When I start one, I finish it, unless it's obviously too fucked up to proceed.

[Anonymous No.2841795]

>>2841790

I know...Think I know... It's not wooden or rigid... But ther's something off about all of these and I don't know. My own eye is not good at picking these things out of my own work.

Progress seems quick to me, but I know I'm going to hit a wall fairly soon without good help.

[Anonymous No.2841798]

Some feet studies.

[Anonymous No.2841800]

>>2841798
And some hand studies.

[Anonymous No.2841816]

>>2841798
>>2841800
Where do you take your study photos? I've been looking around but google searching for various body parts doesn't necessarily return anything with quality for details and such in terms of anatomy.

[Anonymous No.2841842]

>>2841816
I took the hand references from here: http://www.onairvideo.com/cc-photo-archive_hands.html They also have some figure drawing references.

For the feet I just tried googling foot references. There weren't many quality pictures but after digging around for a bit, I found some decent ones.

[Anonymous No.2841843]

>>2841816
not that guy but you have body parts. get a mirror and look at your own feet/ hands. it's better to draw from real life when you look at the form and how it works anyway.

[Anonymous No.2841863]

>>2841816

>>2841843
^^^this. legit, just take pictures of yourself

[Anonymous No.2841872]

>>2841863
No, don't take pictures, work from REAL LIFE. You already have hands and eyes, technology doesn't need to be a part of this.

Huge difference between copying a 2D photograph and turning 3D reality into 2D on your paper.

[Anonymous No.2841886]

>>2841872
hurdur dur. when you know how shit works photos are fine.

[Anonymous No.2841922]

>>2841886
no one here knows how shit works. thats why we are here

[Anonymous No.2841923]

>make 40 self portraits
>they are all shit
How do i 'get' it?

[Anonymous No.2841925]

>>2841923
loomis
fundies
practise
critical self reflection

[Anonymous No.2841929]

[Anonymous No.2841930]

>>2841929
looks like you are improving.
draw larger and more precise.
less symbols

[Anonymous No.2841939]

>>2841923
Post some and I can help by telling you where to go from there. The fastest way to improve is by learning how to take critique. Don't be afraid, post your work, lad.

[Anonymous No.2841970]

Is "pen stabilisation" on tablets cheating, or necessary to draw clean-looking lines?

[Anonymous No.2841983]

>>2841970
its cheating. learn to do it right from the start and dont use it as a crutch.

opinion me

[Anonymous No.2841992]

>>2841939
http://imgur.com/a/L7iQ5

point is they all look like dudes that resemble me in certain ways but arent quite me. sometimes lips and eyes f.e. look ridiculous.
I dont use an eraser btw.

[Anonymous No.2841998]

>>2841992
>I dont use an eraser btw.

why?

[Anonymous No.2842001]

>>2841992
do some other humans, shit
your eyes seem too high, maybe you look like that irl though idk

[Anonymous No.2842016]

>>2841983
>its cheating.

Sigh...

If you steal other people work/ideas and claim as your own is cheating.

Smudging a photo and call it painting is cheating.

Using a stabilizer is not. There's no rules just tools.

It is a crutch though unless you have a serious condition with your hand.

>>2841970
Disable it when you're practicing or doing studies. It's pointless to practice if you resort to tools to make things easier. If you use it as crutch the only one who will suffer in the long run is you.

[Anonymous No.2842017]

>>2842016
sounds sensible. i think its best not to start though. it will hinder you later on.

[Anonymous No.2842023]

>>2841399

[Anonymous No.2842028]

What's the worst part of this fucking mess? Also her face is stretched out mostly because the whole time I was sitting at a 30 degree angle from my monitor.
ref:https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/af/14/50/af1450572cbe42d8dd5f949a8770aa34.jpg

[Anonymous No.2842034]

>>2841925
How does Loomis even help while drawing from reference? Yeah, some construction is needed, but just few lines, Loomis is more about drawing from imagination

[Anonymous No.2842046]

>"Ordered" to post in /beg/
>People rage when beginners don't...
>Someone will reply, critique, help...
>Nobody responds ever...

What do I have to do?????

Do I have to post the God damn Catgaroo again?

FUCK

>>2841787
>>2841788
>>2841790
>>2841795

[Anonymous No.2842048]

>>2842034
W R O N G
R
O
N
G

[Anonymous No.2842049]

>>2842046

On a more serious note, where can I go to get legitimate advice / critique / help with improving?

...Somewhere that isn't a hug box?? I don't need hugs, I want to improve.

[Anonymous No.2842051]

>>2841399
If I can draw those teeth perfectly I can draw any mountains and rocks.

[Anonymous No.2842056]

>>2842049
You could just post and not be a cunt about it.

[Anonymous No.2842057]

>>2842048
Mine was more of a question. I mean, Loomis stuff from "Drawing the head and the hands" is more a tutorial on how to draw an ideal "heroic" human face. I mean, every tutorial I've seen on how to draw from reference uses vertical and horizontal lines, how do you apply Loomis' method?

[Anonymous No.2842065]

>>2841998
it always fucks up my drawing

[Anonymous No.2842066]

>>2842065
Just learn how to draw with an eraser

[Anonymous No.2842072]

>>2842065
stop using shit erasers

[Anonymous No.2842073]

>>2842065
Try using a kneaded or gum eraser. They're much better than the ones that just come on the back of the pencil.

[Anonymous No.2842074]

>>2842046
Cry about it. Sometimes people don't critique. It won't be like this all the time but learn to fend for yourself in terms of being self-critical.

[Anonymous No.2842075]

>>2842065
thats because youre smudging the shit you erased before. if youre not using a kneaded eraser you need to clean the eraser with your finger just rub it softly until the lead comes off

[Anonymous No.2842086]

>>2842065

I've found erasing on drawing paper is a huge b*tch...

Plain old printer paper though... You can go all ham-fisted with a plain old eraser and nothing bad happens...

[Anonymous No.2842090]

>>2842075
im have a kneaded eraser, I think the combination of heavey paper and certain type of pencil makes it difficult to add after erasing.
Anyway need more tips for my drawings or ways to better understand my face.

[Anonymous No.2842094]

Rock practice

[Anonymous No.2842097]

>>2842094
Does Krita have some sort of save for web function? Every time I post something here I painted in Krita the contrast is totally fucked and it's far too dark.

[Anonymous No.2842099]

>>2842028
correction

[Anonymous No.2842127]

pls rate my art

[Anonymous No.2842131]

>>2842094
>tfw want to be able to do environments
>know I'll have to do dumb rock studies like this first

[Anonymous No.2842133]

Doing some proportion practice with loomis. Any glaring mistakes that I'm not picking up on?

[Anonymous No.2842138]

>>2842133
Now draw an actual figure from ref using these as a guide

[Anonymous No.2842160]

>>2841530
Start with loomis figure draw for humans. If you want them to pose not awkwardly then check out Vilppu Drawing Guide. There's a folder in the sticky full of infographics which is actually pretty useful if you want to polish details like facial features and such. Occasionally practice on posing models to judge your progress and see what you need to work more on. You should see definite progress with that.

[Anonymous No.2842161]

>>2841398
i messed up the eyes

[Anonymous No.2842162]

>>2842161
How did you get such realistic rendering?

[Anonymous No.2842164]

>>2841738
Says dragon man but face is very effeminate. Like the other dude said, draw with more space but if you dont have enough to try and cram it all in, it's all good, nobody needs to see everyhing. Left forearm looks a tad too big.

[Anonymous No.2842167]

>>2842164
yeahhh, i made him a bit more manly now. he is a half elf character.

[Anonymous No.2842168]

>>2841992
Sorry for the late reply, it looks like you don't know how to make things look 3d, I recommend learning to understand form first before anything and then learn the laws of light. Your proportions are messed up, you should learn proportions then do 10-50 Reilly head constructions a day. Practice them frequently and study the skull as well so that you get a better idea of why the head looks the way it does. When you're settled up then study Asaro heads so you can get a better feeling for the planes of the head and so that your drawings stop looking flat. As they stand now, your self portraits make you look as if you have black blotches on your face rather than shadows. Good luck, anon.

PS: I have sketchbooks full of me doing form drills, Vilppu exercises are great for this, you'll gain a lot from them. If you want to learn head proportions then look up "Steve Huston head construction" on youtube.

[Anonymous No.2842169]

>>2842162
maybe the brushes? idk really

[Anonymous No.2842172]

>>2841788
Perspective is off. The face is looking straight but the body says we are observing from below. Also i like the sad hand better other is too short
>>2841787
Needs bigger pupils, bigger lips (also bottom lip shouldn't end that early, wring perspective there) ears far too small and way too high up on the head, look at pic related to see where they usually put
>>2841790
Definitely the head with the problem. Head is too big, facial features are flat (in contrast with the bodies more realistic look and head is turned at very weird angle. Not sure the face should be able to fit.

[Anonymous No.2842173]

>>2842162
>realistic

lol

[Anonymous No.2842175]

>>2842167
Face is def better now. And nothing wronf with androgyny, i just noticed the filename

[Anonymous No.2842176]

>>2842172
Oh my god, that is one sexy ass head. Post more please, anon.

[Anonymous No.2842177]

>>2842172
>>2841787
Just realized you probs going for realism and pic related isn't helpful at all. Well regardless, ear is a bit lower, id say lower middle with eye

[Anonymous No.2842181]

>>2842176
Def did not draw this one. Im now where near as good. I only saved it for reference. But saucenao does pull up a pixiv page that's probably the creator

[Anonymous No.2842193]

>>2841761
>You can't draw? Read Right side of the brain.
>Done with that? Read Loomis
>Done with that? Read PME

How is that too hard to understand?

[Anonymous No.2842196]

>>2841790
If anything, those legs are damn fine.

[Anonymous No.2842209]

>>2842193
I'm just a different Anon, but do you start at Right Side of the Brain first

or can you go Loomis and then PME?

[Anonymous No.2842216]

>>2842209
I'd recommend starting with Keys to Drawing, get at least to the shadows chapter and then you can go to either Loomis or Perspective Made depending on what interests you more and keep going until you've finished them all.
RSotB is way too much boring pseudo science crap and tl;dr in my opinion, but on the other hand I'm just a /beg/ loser so take it with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.2842217]

>>2842216
I'm another /beg/ loser too anon, I'm just stuck on the faces portion of Loomis and I'm really happy there's another book I can read

Thank you sincerely!

[Anonymous No.2842219]

>>2841399

[Anonymous No.2842222]

>>2841398

[Anonymous No.2842256]

Any tips on how to locate the HL in photos with no obvious converging lines?

For instance on this photo, I have pretty much no idea where the horizon line is. My guess is that it's about at shoulder height, but I'm really not sure.

[Anonymous No.2842271]

I did a lot more measuring than i normally do since i rarely do things from reference. My main focus was the face and got lazy with the rest beyond the head and ended up just eyeing it with some minimal measures.

[Anonymous No.2842281]

over 30 minutes wasted on this goddamn piece of trash. i didn't measure properly or something, i dont know. i concentrated really hard and now i'm too tired and bummed out to draw

[Anonymous No.2842283]

>>2842281

[Anonymous No.2842284]

I would like to learn how to draw, what is a good digital drawing tablet to buy?

[Anonymous No.2842288]

Wandering in the right brain is a scary experience for me, but it shouldn't be...

[Anonymous No.2842290]

>>2842127

Disturbing/10

[Anonymous No.2842297]

>>2842271
OH GOD WHAT DO I DO IF I DON'T MAKE IT AS AN ARTIST?!

[Anonymous No.2842299]

>>2842297
Really makes me think

[Anonymous No.2842310]

>>2841398
what i notice so far after reviewing is the eyes, nose, and overall face length
those small crevices get me

[Anonymous No.2842311]

>>2842131
But I'm not looking at it like that... it's fun to study rocks because it's increasing my vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.2842313]

>>2842311
Hopefully color corrected version of
>>2842094

[Anonymous No.2842316]

>Start drawing six months ago
>Be shit, draw every day for multiple hours
>Today
>Still shit

When will it get better /ic/? or should I just be happy that I always find shit tons of things wrong with my stuff?

[Anonymous No.2842328]

progress

tried my best to match values though i seem to be making everything darker

also thanks to the anon who redlined my linework last thread

[Anonymous No.2842330]

>>2842316
It's all in your head whether or not you get better
Not gonna make it with that mindset.

[Anonymous No.2842371]

ayyyyy lmao

Literally the first thing I've spent time on in sketchbook. It's poop. I just like expressing my ideas.

[Anonymous No.2842387]

>>2842172

Thanks for the feedback.

>>2842196

Thank you.

[Anonymous No.2842388]

>>2842328
I don't know if you see it but you made her look like a transvestite. Try flipping the image.

[Anonymous No.2842389]

So someone suggested I used more weighted lines even though I was using clean ones to improve my line quality.

Here's the first time from last thread.

[Anonymous No.2842390]

>>2842389
here's the 2nd time.

[Anonymous No.2842392]

And here's one from a few weeks back.

[Anonymous No.2842413]

Holy fuck, progress feels good man; a month ago I couldn't draw a fucking stick figure.

What are some good value exercises? My values are always "fuck my shit up, senpai" tier.

[Anonymous No.2842414]

>>2842413
Doing the value gradient chart
Pretty much all you need to know.

[Anonymous No.2842418]

>>2842414
The value gradient chart isn't helping me much with relative values all over the painting, that's the main problem.

For instance, in that picture, the shirt is supposed to be pitch black. It's just so hard to get the relative values right, you know?

[Anonymous No.2842419]

>>2842418
>the painting
The drawing*

[Anonymous No.2842421]

>>2842418
Usually you mark down your darkest and lightest areas in the beginning so you have a reference. Or at least that's what I do. Some people are amazing and can see value itself, but I'm a bit blinded by color. Anyways, this is how the value gradient chart applies. Once you know your darkest and lightest areas, everything else is in-between and just make sure to have enough of a range by looking at your gradient chart or with your eyes. If you're not used to rendering, you won't be able to tell though. Even one stroke is enough to make a change in the value of an area.

[Anonymous No.2842428]

i hold my pencil inbetween the index and middle finger at an angle so it also goes between the thumb and index finger
is this bad posture

[Anonymous No.2842429]

>>2842428
There is no such thing as bad posture

[Anonymous No.2842431]

>>2842429
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.2842465]

>>2841789
Need more contrast. Look at the darkest dark and compare.

[Anonymous No.2842473]

>>2841843
>>2841863
but... I'm an ugly motherfucker ::(

[Anonymous No.2842475]

Hey guys, trying loomis for the first time, my constructions are off, but can't figure what's the problem, anyone can help ?

Took step by step pics so perhaps it would be easier to point out what's wrong

1/3

[Anonymous No.2842476]

>>2842475
Lineart (it's shit, fucked the middle guy's mouth and damn, drawing teeth is so hard)

2/3

[Anonymous No.2842477]

>>2842476
and trying to add values, shapes, shadows
still shit imo, but can't figure why i failed that much with values

3/3

[Anonymous No.2842508]

some of my most recent 5 min figure drawings.. thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2842625]

tried.jpg

[Anonymous No.2842627]

IMD ONE

[Anonymous No.2842680]

Working on this.. but not really happy with it.
Does it look alright? Can someone crit please?

[Anonymous No.2842704]

>>2841396
So a while back I drew this on my new cintiq... Thing is at the moment my autistic brain decided it'd be a great idea to leave the sketch completely unfinished and paint it over.
Now the issue is I love the colors and effects it got at the end, but I cant figure out how to edit it/fix it, without wasting my time and ruining it further.
Should I give up polishing this turdo?

[Anonymous No.2842705]

>>2842704
Save it and come back in a year. You'll know how to fix it. Don't give up on it though.

[Anonymous No.2842706]

>>2842704
>new layer
>make bottom layer 50% transperent
>draw over on new layer

was that so hard?

[Anonymous No.2842708]

>>2842706
>/beg/ thread
>knowing any of this

[Anonymous No.2842712]

>>2842704
nice job bra, I love those colors.
I'd advise you to just try doing it from scratch, as some anon pointed out via tracing (but from looking how it's done, via layer coloring, i'd say you know how to do that) I was just able to hack the internets and find your deviantart, nice stuff!
KEEP DRAWING QT GRILLS! Nice aesthetics overall in all your stuff. You got them eyes compared to most cucks here.

[Anonymous No.2842718]

>>2841396
when are you above a beginner?

[Anonymous No.2842720]

>>2842718
When people start to direct you to the drawthread

[Anonymous No.2842722]

>>2842680
Nice beginning.

Use a bigger brush to block your value. A medium brush will instantly give you this dirty result.

As in a landscape draw rear plans first. In exemple, Draw the eyeball and iris, then eyelids.

Think and paint in mass. In exemple your hair is a mass connected to the top of the head, not a scribbled wig.

Mark your plans more.

Trace some vertical and horizontal lines to check if the proportions match your model.

[X No.2842764]

>>2842627
reminds me kago shintaro
gr8 jobu anon

[Anonymous No.2842783]

[Anonymous No.2842784]

>>2842284
read sticky
dont buy tablet until you can already draw somewhat
unless youre loaded and you dont give a shit about a few hundred bucks

[Anonymous No.2842807]

i'm having a hard time keeping up with vilppu, and unlike his pupils i can pause and rewind at any time
i do end up with body parts that look way better than i could possibly draw normally but i also don't fully understand how they all fit together which would make reproducing them later difficult

[Anonymous No.2842864]

WIP Oil paint on cardboard, attempt at a leg. New to oil so all comments are appreciated.
I'll still polish the lower part of the leg and then move to the lowest part (foot).

[Anonymous No.2842905]

More practice

>>2842465
Thank you for the help

[Anonymous No.2842908]

>>2842864
The top half of the leg looks too bulbous, compared to the relatively thin calf.

[Anonymous No.2842910]

anyone else here fall for the "you have to learn to draw classical before you can draw anime" meme?

[Anonymous No.2842920]

So I am trying to do those 3d mesh things. Am I doing this right?

[Anonymous No.2842927]

>>2841496
Dave Mustaine?

[Anonymous No.2842936]

>>2842908
Thats what i figured...thanks

[Anonymous No.2842949]

>>2842905
How are you so accurate? Are your color picking?

[Anonymous No.2842964]

>>2842167
completed. he kinda turned out looking like the human version of Beast from Beauty and the Beast. currently ignoring that.

[Anonymous No.2842981]

>>2842920
looks ok
keep practising
is that your loli?

[Anonymous No.2842989]

>>2842949
Yeah, color picker tool

[Anonymous No.2842991]

[Anonymous No.2842992]

>>2842991
Loomis

[Anonymous No.2843013]

>>2842991
emphatic

[Anonymous No.2843014]

>>2842991
stop drawing, there's nothing more for you to learn anymore

[Anonymous No.2843022]

>>2842920
Fucking pedo...

That aside. Does doing that makes you see things in 3D? Does it help at all?

[Anonymous No.2843029]

>>2842981
>is that your loli
Nah, I was just tracing the image to practice my line strokes.

>>2843022
Nothing even sexual about that image. But yeah I would say it helps me visualize things in 3d.

[Anonymous No.2843033]

>>2842991
You made it.

[Anonymous No.2843044]

So I have a very specific problem when I draw from imagination. When I follow my own proportions like on the left. My characters look ok. But when I do them according to the standard ones like on the right they come out all wrong.

How does this happen?

By the way. I have finished drawing on the right side of the brain and am starting keys to drawing right now. I'm just asking about this spefic thing.

[Anonymous No.2843059]

>>2843029
>Nothing even sexual about that image
its legit by an ero-hon artist right?

[Anonymous No.2843063]

I haven't drawn this much in a long time and i also ran out of area to draw.

Am i gonna make it or should i get a day job?

[Anonymous No.2843064]

>>2843063
>needing to wank off this hard

[Anonymous No.2843066]

>>2842712
You sound like you're missing a chromosome.

[Anonymous No.2843070]

>>2843064
Say what?

I really need feedback. Everyone i know can barely draw stick figures, i could draw shit on a stick and they'd call it great. I need someone to spit in my face and call me a bad boy.

[Anonymous No.2843073]

>>2843063
Well you're decent enough to start drawing porn if that's what you mean by "making it." For a regular illustration or animation job you'll need to hit the books more. But I like these drawings despite the massive mistakes.

[Anonymous No.2843090]

[Anonymous No.2843091]

>>2843073
I meant more for to keep going as opposed to hello welcome to mcdonalds.

>Massive mistakes
I like what i hear, tell me more. Be brutal but constructive if you can so i know how to move forward. For past year or two it's felt like i've been standing in a wind tunnel throwing shit forward hoping it won't come back at me.

[Anonymous No.2843109]

>>2841398

I know this is a bad likeness but I still like it.

[Anonymous No.2843113]

>>2843109
It's shit, sorry dude

[Anonymous No.2843137]

I've been reading perspective books like Perspective Made Easy and How to Draw but they just focus on enviroments and never bring up constructing figures in them.
How do I go about constructing figures in perspective in dynamic poses?

[Anonymous No.2843143]

>>2843137
Just apply the same concept and carve the figure from the box. Why is this so hard for people to understand? It's like they just copied what the book tells them and didn't think about it at all and think they know all about perspective.

[Anonymous No.2843149]

Some crap I did recently.

[Anonymous No.2843152]

>>2843149
>tfw see this
>have to check what thread I'm in
>make sure I'm not in draw thread
How long you been drawing senpai?

[Anonymous No.2843155]

>>2843109
>liking your work ever
>liking this

[Anonymous No.2843160]

>>2843149
Since a kid. Got art classes in highschool.
Still want to improve my shit, though. I still see myself as a beginner and want actual critique, not shitty pats in the back. Still don't know how to do digital art.
Also, very new to do this board.

[Anonymous No.2843162]

>>2843160
Have you read the sticky?

[Anonymous No.2843187]

>>2843162
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.2843202]

>>2843187
do everything in the sticky
why the fuck did you draw that second image

[Anonymous No.2843205]

>>2843202
>why the fuck did you draw that second image
Not him, but that was clearly just a drawing for fun m8, not everything is realistic studies.

[Anonymous No.2843210]

>>2843205
i meant as in morally why
i overreacted a bit though. im a traditionalist, all about ideals and aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.2843275]

I can already see problems, but now I know what I want to dry. Now it's all a matter of how to approach it and re fucking learn loomis/perspective.

[Anonymous No.2843278]

>>2843275
It would be better if you just slightly turned the head

[Anonymous No.2843280]

>>2841398

[Anonymous No.2843282]

>>2843280
This surprisingly looks good despite being a bit bad. At least in comparison to mine.

[Anonymous No.2843287]

>>2843278
I see what you mean. I was struggling on head construction for so long I started with the shoulders and neck.

[Anonymous No.2843290]

>>2843282
I spent a ton of time getting the eyes right. other things, like the cheek line next to the nose are just plain wrong and I didn't work very hard on (though just fixed the line)

[Anonymous No.2843291]

>>2843290
and of course, the eyes aren't quite right either, notably too dark over the right eye. still it's a lot better than most of the stuff I've been doing recently

[Anonymous No.2843296]

>>2841410
To fix those lines, try to draw over the whole line in one motion, from point a to point b. If it curves too sharply to get it in one motion, break the line down a little. It's ok to reinforce your lines after you put them down, but do that by continuously drawing the whole line, not just the part that looks off. You'll get more accurate the more you practice it.

[Anonymous No.2843297]

>>2843296
Does this work even without bargue?

[Anonymous No.2843298]

>>2841498
try practicing with heads that are in an upright position before you get into tilted ones. You should try to work on your construction before you get into rendering it like that. Try to make your line drawing look exactly like the person before you start to move in to putting values down. Maybe just use a single value to mass in the shadows.

[Anonymous No.2843304]

>>2841504
Very close, be more careful with the diminishment of the far arm. Also the legs should be a bit thicker. The movement of the line on the back looks really stiff, you should try to curve it a little so it's a bit more natural.

[Anonymous No.2843307]

>>2841510
your shadows are too light, and the scribbling doesn't look very good, you should try to go for smoother values.

[Anonymous No.2843309]

>>2841738
When you're doing your line drawing it always looks better to draw the upper lip and only mark the bottom of the lower lip, The reasoning is because the upper lip is almost always gonna be in shadow.

[Anonymous No.2843312]

>>2842023
You need to consider the things taught in loomis more carefully. Especially the parts about the initial construction. Imagine a line down the exact center of her face and use that line to build the rest of her features.

[Anonymous No.2843316]

>>2843312
>imagine a line down her face
Literally who does this dumb shit??

[Anonymous No.2843332]

>>2843044
The head is too small, you're stylizing too much right now. The design decisions were slight better in the left drawing.

What you need to understand about facial proportions is that very few people have the "perfect" proportions (1/3,/1/3,1/3) Most people will have 2 that are the same and one that is a bit bigger or smaller(which you did in your drawing on the left) What I'd recommend is printing out some pictures of heads, getting some tracing paper, and tracing out the loomis construction on top of a few, then trying it out by eye on the same picture. This will help you understand how you simplify things in your brain, and hopefully should help you overcome it.

Also just draw on some actual drawing paper, a pad of newsprint costs $2, or a pad of cartridge paper will set you back $4 whole dollars.

Getting the proper supplies shouldn't cost you much more than ~$20 to get started ( pad of paper, piece of wood and some clips, pencils and an eraser)

[Anonymous No.2843367]

>>2843312
I haven't gotten to loomis yet

[Anonymous No.2843384]

>>2843332
>he head is too small, you're stylizing too much right now
You mean in both?
>>2843332
>The design decisions were slight better in the left drawing.
I went for more or less the same designs just with different proportions.
>What you need to understand about facial proportions is that very few people have the "perfect" proportions (1/3,/1/3,1/3) Most people will have 2 that are the same and one that is a bit bigger or smaller(which you did in your drawing on the left) What I'd recommend is printing out some pictures of heads, getting some tracing paper, and tracing out the loomis construction on top of a few, then trying it out by eye on the same picture. This will help you understand how you simplify things in your brain, and hopefully should help you overcome it.
Thanks for the advice. I'll probably put away drawing from imagination for a while. I had a two week break while doing DOTRSOTB and some portraits.
I also wonder. Is it a good idea to draw portraits at all at this point? Or should of focus on keys to drawing and do it after that (or even after other books?)

>Also just draw on some actual drawing paper, a pad of newsprint costs $2, or a pad of cartridge paper will set you back $4 whole dollars.
Oh, that's what I normally do. It's just that I was on a 3-hour bus ride, got bored and turned out this was the only thing I had with me. I also thought the squares might be useful to show the proportions differences. Basically I also used 1:1:1:1/2 but the upper border of the second part from the bottom is where the eyes end not the brow.

[Anonymous No.2843387]

>>2843152
I thought this question was sarcasm at first but guess not. U suck and aren't gna make it.

[Anonymous No.2843389]

>>2843202
I mean you know about the money store album cover right?

[Anonymous No.2843425]

Doing perspective exercises always make me feel weird. It's like I'm looking into an empty world inhabited by nothing.

[Anonymous No.2843431]

>>2843425
That's because you are looking into an empty world inhabited by nothing. Maybe you should put some life into it.

[Anonymous No.2843432]

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2843472]

>>2843432
that night mind?

[Anonymous No.2843561]

>>2841398
it's trash but i want to do at least one a day so here we are

[Anonymous No.2843562]

>>2843561
>trash
>looks good

[Anonymous No.2843563]

Doing these are kinda fun, but boring at the same time.

[Anonymous No.2843564]

>>2843563
You need to sharpen your pencil when you do perspective assignments..

[Anonymous No.2843573]

>>2843564
I'll just switch to a lead pencil or felt pen then. Any specific reason why?

[Anonymous No.2843591]

redoing my linework cus it was fucked
spent way more time and tried to actually measure and look at negative space

[Anonymous No.2843594]

>>2842222
Your style makes my eyes happy.

[Anonymous No.2843608]

>>2843594
>style

Kys

[Anonymous No.2843622]

>>2841403
I'm very happy with the result so far even though it looks so different and the anatomy seems fucked.
Any help? I think I ended up using two different palettes for the same colors.

[Anonymous No.2843626]

>>2843622
Whoa, how did you get that sort of palette? Reminds me of realist painters or renaissance painters. Basically it's not just color like digital painters do.

[Anonymous No.2843646]

>reading manga
>character is making a smile
>it's clearly drawn in the shape of a frown, curving downwards
>still clearly looks like they are smiling

what the fuck is this wizardry?

[Anonymous No.2843670]

>>2843646
don't know about your anime fuckery but for a lot of faces it can be a smile despite being being at a downwards angle simply due to the way the jaw and lips are curved

[Anonymous No.2843671]

>spend 5 minutes eyeing out the first construction line
>get the angle just right
well thats all the drawing i need to do today

[Anonymous No.2843673]

>>2843671
That was me the first week too.

[Anonymous No.2843679]

>>2843646
cheeks are smiling while mouth is frowning. I do this shit all the time.

[Anonymous No.2843682]

>>2843626
Really? I tried to color copy at first, but didn't like it because it looked like she was dirty. Then, I went choosing colors that I feel were more skin like, and painted on top.

[Anonymous No.2843700]

>>2841929

[Anonymous No.2843701]

Need help on where I should head in my studies. I want to get better in all aspects. Where should I begin?

[Anonymous No.2843705]

Need help on where I should head in my studies. I want to get better in all aspects. Where should I begin? This is a hour of work maybe? I'll add what my sketches usually look like too.

[Anonymous No.2843706]

>>2843705
sketches.

[Anonymous No.2843712]

>>2843705
Sketches I did.

[Anonymous No.2843715]

>>2843700
I actually kind of like the way you draw environment. Read up on perspective and human anatomy, don't be so uncertain when you draw human figures even if you aren't that good at it.

[Anonymous No.2843718]

>>2841530
This picture made me laugh a lot, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.2843734]

Do any of these look correct?

[Anonymous No.2843740]

>>2841398
wtf beards help

[Anonymous No.2843741]

>>2843734
Some of them, yes

[Anonymous No.2843742]

Well, after an hour trying to get this turd to look right, I'm apparently too retarded to draw a vulture

feels bad man

[Anonymous No.2843744]

>>2843742
ref

goddamn i fucked up

my autistic rage is real

[Anonymous No.2843748]

>>2843741
Mind telling me which ones? How can I improve them?

[Anonymous No.2843749]

>>2843748
I was joshing you anon, I'm a drunk NEET who lost his way onto /ic/. I don't know shit about drawing. Hope someone gives you some constructive criticism though, I enjoyed looking at your red lines.

[Anonymous No.2843753]

Drawing my Pathfinder character and his sibling. More Kawaii than expected.

[Anonymous No.2843754]

>>2843742

[Anonymous No.2843778]

Practicing drawing from imagination. What can I improve? What should I focus on?

[Anonymous No.2843780]

>>2843778
The feet on the middle butt shot are good but work on the front facing ones, perspective is off and they're a bit too thicc

[Anonymous No.2843794]

>be a beginner
>can't tell memes and ironic critique apart from solid advice
>why do I even come to this place

[Anonymous No.2843796]

>>2843742
Honestly, that's a decent sketch to start working on some detail and shading. Finish it no matter how bad it feels and reflect afterwards. Just focus on things that make it look wrong to you.

[Anonymous No.2843804]

>>2843794
have some common sense

[Anonymous No.2843805]

>>2843740
Render skin properly first, for now it is just approximative airbush. Focus on one point and master it than you can move to the next aspect, like, the beard.

[Anonymous No.2843806]

Hi, I'm a fairly shitty artist, but I'm doing my best to get better, here is a study that I did

>inb4 it doesn't look finished

It's not finished, I did this in an hour or two yesterday, I'm not actually sure how long it took or will take (I am often distracted by stuff on my pc)

Any way I'll edit the eyes and... we'll, I guess I'm gonna edit everything until I get a decent copy of the original or get bored with it.

Any advice? Or criticism? Tbh anything is nice at this point, I don't ever share my art so I don't know my skill level.

[Anonymous No.2843810]

I've been grtting back in to the grind after a much too long hiatus since late September, I think I need to go stop playing with the markers and just go back to cross-hatching, feels like I'm losing the form.

Sorry for the triple images, phone posting.

[Anonymous No.2843812]

>>2843810

[Anonymous No.2843813]

>>2843810
>>2843812

[Anonymous No.2843816]

>>2843806
Here is a redline. As you can see your basic proportions and angles aren't accurate. Correct this. Also, use a bigger brush and play with the transfert preset.

[Anonymous No.2843817]

>>2843816

Thanks a lot, I'll make sure to change the incorrect details.

This is actually the first study I ever did so I'm not too upset that it looks this bad, but nobody ever got anywhere in life by being content with themselves.

Or maybe someone did idk

Will post more shit tomorrow, thanks again.

[Anonymous No.2843835]

>>2841761
it's a step by step guide for drawing
which means it spans over several years not a fucking month you spastic

[Anonymous No.2843849]

>>2842284
>>2842784
wtf you talking about you can get a good starting tablet with around 40~80$ cut back on bullshit and just buy one. The sooner you do the sooner you start that art grind.

[Anonymous No.2843858]

>>2841398
I get very lazy at rendering, I don't have the patience to work on the same image for several hours yet. Hopefully comes with more mileage.

[Anonymous No.2843863]

Hope this is not dead

[Anonymous No.2843866]

>>2843806
Stop using colors, you dumbass. Coloring is a whole another level of complexity, stick to grayscale until you aren't an absolute beginner.

[Anonymous No.2843869]

>>2843806
>Any way I'll edit the eyes and... we'll, I guess I'm gonna edit everything until I get a decent copy of the original or get bored with it.

Stop that, learn your fundamentals and stop editing stuff wtf.
If you keep fixing your shitty drawings with photoshop instead of getting them right at the construction phase you'll never get any better.
Also red the sticky, your drawings reflect that you don't understand shit about anything desu.

[Anonymous No.2843873]

I've been struggling with getting back into drawing, so I've been doing the "take random lines and make it into something" just to draw at least once a day.

[Anonymous No.2844038]

>>2843805
Any example of rendering skin better?

[Anonymous No.2844054]

Tried rendering a face from Imagination..Medibang was a pain in the ass to use..and i cant use krita since my laptop just chrashes..anyone knows an alternative?

[Anonymous No.2844063]

>>2843591
Looks much better anon, of course it looks kinda stylized but the proportions don't seem off anymore

[Anonymous No.2844077]

>>2843591

Are you tracing?

Isn't that against the law?

[Anonymous No.2844081]

Trying to work through my first book (Keys to Drawing), but I am too stupid.
I just go page by page and do every exercise once or maybe twice, to get the idea of what I'm supposed to learn and then go on. But I am still not really past symbol drawing. So whenever I try to do anything it looks completely horrible.
So do I just keep doing the same thing over and over again until it doesn't feel bad? But sometimes it's stuff that's only covered later in the book, like shadows, that makes it look bad.
How do I even learn to draw? The most frustrating part so far has been how everything in the examples looks too great

[Anonymous No.2844090]

>>2844081
I'm glad I'm not the only one intimidated by exercise examples. I haven't tried Fun with a Pencil since a couple months ago because of this

[Anonymous No.2844094]

>>2843742
Because its many complex forms combined.

Get a book, a box, a cup, or some other basic shapes.

Draw them the way they are.

Repeat again and again. Vultures are too complex for you.

[Anonymous No.2844105]

>>2844081
>>2844090
Don't let the examples discourage you and don't let some arbitrary fear like not being ready for the next step hold you back this early on into learning to draw. Keep doing Keys to Drawing with the purpose to improve behind each drawing and when you're through with it you'll be prepared for whatever you're tackling next, Loomis if you wish, even if you don't feel like it.

Do keep in mind that while this is easy advice to give to a beginner it won't hold true for one's entire art career.

[Anonymous No.2844138]

[Anonymous No.2844148]

>>2844094
Fug. At what point can I attempt more complex subjects?

[Anonymous No.2844157]

>>2841398
I tried ;_;

[Anonymous No.2844163]

>>2844148
Read KtD and Loomis and you'll be good to go.

[Anonymous No.2844165]

[Anonymous No.2844170]

>>2844163
ok, but if i do those books and still suck i will be really sad.

[Anonymous No.2844177]

>>2844157
shit, i forgot the pic

[Anonymous No.2844180]

>>2841402
>>2841403
How about this?

[Anonymous No.2844191]

>>2844165
stupid sexy outline

[Anonymous No.2844195]

>>2844148
get comfortable drawing simple objects with simple shapes from different angles. That creature is just shapes on shapes.

[Anonymous No.2844198]

>>2844191
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.2844203]

>>2843715
Thank you, that's good advice; I've always had a headache after trying to draw a human figure from imagination

>>2838622

[Anonymous No.2844216]

Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.2844219]

>tfw

[Anonymous No.2844227]

>>2844216
Don't draw that big, and if you do resize please.
I would suggest you just to look at at the Op and just know the rules. When you know those, we will be able to help you more instead of telling you this.

To the picture i can't tell you much, you are chicken scratching and your construction is pretty flat.
I would just recommend you doing simple forms with confidents strokes.
Maybe you going to drawabox.com

[Anonymous No.2844228]

>>2844219
At least don't fuck up your drawing by lazily rendering.

[Anonymous No.2844238]

>>2844228
Dude, I spent like half an hour rendering I shit you not.

[Anonymous No.2844243]

>>2844238
>half an hour
You think that's a lot? Fucking it takes hours to render. You think this a joke? Fucking beginners, I swear. Look, I don't even need to look at it long to know it's lazily done. The spaces between your strokes tell me you did it quickly because that's always a sign a person didn't take their time to go go even and layer.

[Anonymous No.2844247]

i'm gonna make it anon
and so are you

[Anonymous No.2844255]

>>2844243
I see, I recently switched from ink to pencils so I'm not sure how pencil rendering is supposed to look.
Am I supposed to make it look like an even surface?

[Anonymous No.2844258]

>>2844255
Yeah, of course. That's how rendering is done unless you're hatching. This is like the basics of rendering. You need a smooth transition between values.

[Anonymous No.2844260]

>>2844219
Look, you may be a little bit frustrated in your skill, since you now realised you aren't as good as you wanted it to be. That perfectly understandable.
But dude, just try to draw bigger, you wont be able to draw such a portrait so small.
Look at how you measure again.
Look at how you construct the face, since your drawing lack a lot of volume. If you think the problem is deeper than that, just go out of your way and to DrawABox.com
And please remember, when you shade with pencil try and go around the form. If you want a thing to look flat you will shade it with flat strokes. If you want something to look round, try and go around the form and shade it like that. Look at my pic. Hope this will help you.

[Anonymous No.2844277]

>>2844260
I think my greatest problem is being afraid of overdoing it with the shading and making it look too deep, which ends up making me fuck up by making everything look to flat, I guess I'll experiment a little with that.

>>2844258
I see, will look up some tutorials on rendering so I don't keep fucking it up.

[Anonymous No.2844303]

what's wrong with my skull

[Anonymous No.2844319]

>>2841398

Yeah, I kinda fucked up with it but here goes anyway.

[Anonymous No.2844320]

>>2844319

And my phone flipped the picture. I deserve only pain.

[Anonymous No.2844339]

>>2844277
You will learn out of your fuck ups, so just do it, just try it. You have nothing to lose, maybe own piece of paper.

[Anonymous No.2844340]

>>2844303
>tfw two smart too not draw like shit

[Anonymous No.2844382]

>>2844370
>>2844370
>>2844370

>>2844370
>>2844370
>>2844370

>>2844370
>>2844370
>>2844370

>>2844370
>>2844370
>>2844370

[Anonymous No.2844459]

>>2843705
>>2843712
Bretty good I'm not sure if you're going for anime or your own kind of style though but it looks nice.

You really need to bone up on your fundamentals though, you can never do that to much. day 1 or year 10 you should always work that.
Even if it seems stupid as fuck you might want to dedicate a couple weeks or months to practice depending on how serious you are about it.

>Week 1 shapes
>Week 2 perspective shapes
>Week 3 get boxes, arrange them, draw them repeat
>Week 4 involve other house hold items
>Rinse and repeat for long as necessary
Don't draw characters during that time it'll muddy the waters of what you're trying to teach yourself.
All things are mass and all mass is represented in shapes, drawing is the illusion of 3d space placed on a 2d plane. To create that illusion
we must understand and master how we set it up rather than how we finish it.

Once you get done with at least 1 month of this you'll understand where you're weak and what you need to improve upon without much need for guidance.
All flaws stem from their origin more often than their ending so this will help you trace back many of your problems and it's better to fix the underlying problem than
it is to try and build around the final flaw. I could think of a million metaphors to explain it but i think you'll get the idea.

Nobody ever likes the idea of "go back" or "start over" but you'll always have easier and better results if you just take care into the foundation rather than
scrambling to patch over a flaw that didn't make itself so apparent until you were almost done.

Make sure to take a step back too, you draw the way you do because your brain thinks it's fine as is some times and if you give it a moment to rest and look at it again
you'll see where something might be off that wasn't apparent to a weary mind before. Often that's why complete novices might be able to spot something you over looked.

[Anonymous No.2844465]

>>2844459
>fundamentals meme
/beg/inner please go

[Anonymous No.2844497]

>>2844465
>It's a everything i don't like is a meme episode
All things are created from the beginning, not the end.

[Anonymous No.2844666]

>>2843806
Damn, Chloe Moretz looks like *that*?

[Anonymous No.2846844]

>>2841396