/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.2832053]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a question thread for that.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

OLD THREAD: >>2828853

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[Anonymous No.2832085]

>>2832083
Reference

[Anonymous No.2832102]

Reposting

How's it looking? Trying to recreate a Repin painting

[Anonymous No.2832110]

I only want to draw man-made objects, why do always post figure references?

[Anonymous No.2832114]

>>2832110
drawing is copying arbitrary abstract lines and values from a reference or imagination onto paper, why does it matter what you use to learn since you will be able to make any object when you are good anyway?

[Anonymous No.2832116]

>>2832110
this
I've been always wondering why so many beginners wanna start with drawing people instead of something less complex, still life

[Anonymous No.2832125]

>>2832110
Learning how to draw one thing can really help with being able to draw another.

I don't remember the exact quote, but the gist of it is, The human body is similar to a cathedral, because they share basic perspective and construction.

[Anonymous No.2832127]

Today's lesson was combining 2 point measuring and diminishment guides. Also, how to find diminishment guides if you place your VP really close to the center line.

[Anonymous No.2832129]

>>2832083
Why you made him fat

[Anonymous No.2832133]

[Anonymous No.2832138]

>>2832127
Where do you get those lessons from? On this in How to Draw by SR?

[Anonymous No.2832147]

>>2832138
Eric Olsons perspective course, the one on new masters academy.

[Anonymous No.2832148]

>>2832127
Goddamn I'm jelly of your work output. I've been putting off a drawing for the past hour since I want to do a good job on it, but I know I won't. How do I turn off the part of my brain that feels this shame?

[Anonymous No.2832157]

>tfw been drawing for six hours straight
>suddenly pain in elbow
>fingers get tingly
>search up symptoms
>Cubital Tunnel Syndrome
>tfw all that avoiding wrist use just to catch something else
Shit, is this the end? Not going to make it?

[Anonymous No.2832166]

>>2832148
Do not think of bad drawings as a failure, but as a step to becoming the artist you are meant to be. Just accept that you will make bad drawings, but know, that you will improve if you keep at it.

[Anonymous No.2832170]

>>2832166
But I know that I won't improve if I don't practice properly. I can develop bad habits and make myself worse if I don't do everything right. I can't stop stressing over this.

[Anonymous No.2832176]

>>2832170
That is why you read books, work trough courses and post work here.

[Anonymous No.2832177]

>>2832157
Have a break.

[Anonymous No.2832191]

>>2832157
Rest! If it still persist go see a doctor immediately.

[Anonymous No.2832209]

>>2832129
I used the photo as ~reference~.

[Anonymous No.2832228]

>>2832127
honestly i think you're quite above /beg/

[Anonymous No.2832229]

>>2828860
I'm lookinf for criticism.

I couldn't get the back of the nek and the nose bridge and area above the nose right. After correcting those it all just blurres for me. I've also got no idea how to do shiny parts like in the ear on the nose in this case.

[Anonymous No.2832233]

>>2832157
never draw for hours straight, i advise you look up break programs and download one you like

i have mine set for 3 mins every 30 mins. i have NEVER felt any RSI pain since doing this.

[Anonymous No.2832239]

>>2832060
>>2832059
Where based OP get these nice pictures of handsome men, damn. This inspires me to really step up my game.

[Anonymous No.2832392]

Tried to draw my favourite scene from Always Sunny. I don't mean to chicken scratch but it just feels so good when I do. I'll try harder to stop on my next study/exercise.

[Anonymous No.2832396]

>>2832392
ref

[Anonymous No.2832404]

>>2832054

[Anonymous No.2832409]

>>2832053

[Anonymous No.2832415]

>>2832157
Make sure to take breaks every hour or so. Your body is still a body no matter what /ic/ tells you it needs rest.

[Anonymous No.2832529]

>>2832229
What really helps for me is when I know something is wrong but can't see it anymore to just walk away for a good chunk of time (a few hours to a day) and come back to it and I usually understand more. Shine is created via contrast, tone the surrounding area and clear erase the highlights. I'd also recommend exploring values and shading more, rather than just going after form.

[Anonymous No.2832536]

>>2832229
Look at the reflection of your drawing through a mirror, that will help.

[Anonymous No.2832546]

>>2832058
How important do you find drawing from life rather than photo? KTD has a bunch of exercises that require it, but I mostly practice nights and it would be hard for some of the model/landscape work

[Anonymous No.2832547]

>>2832058
>>2832546
Forgot image

[Anonymous No.2832550]

>>2832547
Ignore pls, forgot to resize. I'm a fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.2832587]

>>2832546
It's important, you learn a lot faster by drawing from life, as you actualy see things in 3d and interpret them into a 2d image, opposed to copying an already "solved" one.

[Anonymous No.2832618]

>>2832392
I don't think you're ready to be tackling studies of the face and figure yet. Start with the basics and work your way up to it.

[Anonymous No.2832643]

>>2832618
I'm trying to get through Keys to Drawing. Is that too advanced for me?

[Anonymous No.2832648]

>>2832529
>>2832536
Thanks a lot, any comments on the shadows? These I find a lot harder to evaluate, since they're not as defined.

[Anonymous No.2832673]

My third portrait. How did I do? Reference pic below

[Anonymous No.2832675]

>>2832673

[Anonymous No.2832694]

>>2832673
>thinks it looks like shit from the thumbnail
>it's actually good
What is this magic

[Anonymous No.2832697]

>>2832673
Perhaps you should star practicing with black and white charcoal and gray tone paper. The paper and charcoal should be about 30 bucks at an art store. I think you will find starting with a mid-tone will make it easier to express the shading.

[Anonymous No.2832698]

>>2832697
You could just do a mid-tone with charcoal though.

[Anonymous No.2832699]

>>2832054
I need to redo some parts, but this is what I have so far.

[Anonymous No.2832707]

So I've been focusing on drawing with the shoulder and stuff, I can see why it's encouraged. But I'm a bit confused, it's okay to have my hand resting and sliding on the paper as I draw, right? I feel like I have way less control if the only thing touching is the pencil.

[Anonymous No.2832708]

>>2832707
Yes.

[Anonymous No.2832710]

>>2832708
That was a very, very fast reply. Thankyou

[Anonymous No.2832722]

Tried to make birds, help

[Anonymous No.2832724]

>>2832694
Nope. Still shit.

[Anonymous No.2832785]

I want to practice gestures digitally so I can post here. But there's a problem. I only have a small bamboo pen and I heard you can hurt your wrist drawing with that. What should I do?

[Anonymous No.2832787]

>>2832785
You should hurt your wrist anyways.

[Anonymous No.2832788]

>>2832722
That's pretty lewd.

[Anonymous No.2832789]

>>2832054
My second try to work with color. Looks better than previous.

[Anonymous No.2832811]

>>2828860
I feel like I cant do ears and noses for shit, what else needs improvement fellow anons?

[Anonymous No.2832812]

>>2832811
Try going through keys and spending more time measuring proportions and angles from the references rather than shading hair (although it looks neat on the thumbnail)

[Anonymous No.2832818]

First gesture ever. Any help and criticism welcome.

[Anonymous No.2832820]

>>2832818
And it took 2 minutes. Forgot to mention.

[Anonymous No.2832823]

>>2832818
why bother posting the first
just go and practise 2 hundred then come ask for advice.

[Anonymous No.2832824]

>>2832823
There's nothing I could do better based in the first drawing?

[Anonymous No.2832826]

>>2832824
you shouldnt be asking for critique after just one. since you increase in skill very easily and quickly at the start. once it starts to slow down and if you feel yourself stagnating then you ask, only after a few hundred gestures is anything we can say relevant.

[Anonymous No.2832827]

>>2832826
Alright anon. I'm sorry for insisting and thank you.

[Anonymous No.2832828]

>>2832823
I wonder if you study one gesture, will the essence come to you quicker than if you were to do many of them?

[Anonymous No.2832860]

Feeling my figures were stiff so I did some quick gestures

[Anonymous No.2832862]

My constructions really don't end up looking very 3D at all. Is Drawabox good for nailing that kind of thing?

[Anonymous No.2832868]

>>2832860
You use sketchbook pro or sai? Lines look great.

[Anonymous No.2832871]

>>2832789
Another one. It`s quite difficult. =_=

[Anonymous No.2832880]

>>2832860
Not entirely /beg/, move up to /alt/

[Anonymous No.2832884]

>>2832862
yes
>>2832871
S T I C K Y

[Anonymous No.2832897]

Where can I find Perspective for artists with Erik Olson?

[Anonymous No.2832906]

Been blazing through the Ctrl+Paint videos, whipped this up in Photoshop just now. Anything I should work on?

[Anonymous No.2832916]

>>2832906
perspective and form shading

[Anonymous No.2832920]

>>2832897
CGPeers

[Anonymous No.2832927]

>>2832916
I see that the perspective is off as well. The top is slightly wider than the bottom. Could you reiterate on form shading?

[Anonymous No.2832935]

>>2832818
Looks pretty stiff. But don't worry, you're just beginning after all.
Now do 200 more, have fun!

[Anonymous No.2832937]

>>2832871
Kool

[Anonymous No.2832947]

h e l p
above is the current version of a wip
below is simply just pinching the image towards the center.

Opinions on space and composition?
Ignoring the warped features of the below example which can be fixed does the second one have a better layout? Would the work look better with a larger fore ground and a smaller mid ground i mean

[Anonymous No.2832949]

>>2832818
>>2832818
More like this fampai.

*Think about spine, how it bends in figure
*Repeat lines where forms connect, like knees, belly, etc
*Try to use C, S and I lines
*Look where body makes one curve asymetrical

[Anonymous No.2832952]

>>2832127
>>2832229
Do you fellas think I should fuck off to /draw/ even if I am still studying my fundies?

[Anonymous No.2832955]

Shit meant to reply to this >>2832228

[Anonymous No.2832958]

>>2832952
if those cartoons of yours are original then yes, take them there. your portraits too. basically everything you can do well.

i think moving to /draw/ is a gradual thing. stay for fundamental stuff you need.

i think you need to start doing more ambitious things too.

[Anonymous No.2832964]

retarded concept but went through cause le asian man of design tells me to

[Anonymous No.2832970]

>>2832958
I will start posting my cartoons to /alt/, I think that is where you are suppose to post cartoon stuff?

Yes, I guess the perspective stuff is quite dry and even if because Olsons course is kinda dry, I could do more interesting stuff with it.

Thank you for the answer anon.

[Anonymous No.2832971]

>>2832970
whats your endgame?

[Anonymous No.2832973]

>>2832868
Thanks I use sai 2.0
>>2832880
Hmm not yet

[Anonymous No.2832975]

>>2832964
consider thinner lines

[Anonymous No.2832976]

>>2832971
Animation.

[Anonymous No.2832983]

>>2832976
im just /beg/ but i think you need to go for your 3d forms a bit more. your ellipses are still pointy, stuff like that.

its a tough road, animation, desu. the japs wont take a foreigner, the large (((companies))) in the west dont do hand drawn anymore. its only small indie guys and universities that really do it now.

[Anonymous No.2832995]

>>2832983
Fucking ellipses man, they will truly be the end of me.

Yeah, I am thinking more pre-production rather than finished animation and there is always 3d animation.

Thank you for the feedback my man, I'll keep drilling basic forms.

[Anonymous No.2833001]

>>2832995
im not an animation guy but this is a masterclass in work ethic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G78qA9oreNE can find it on TPB

[Anonymous No.2833004]

Work in progress. Thoughts? Advice? Anything?

It just looks weird and misproportioned to me, particularly the lower back.

[Anonymous No.2833005]

>>2833001
Thank you anon, I`ll get my hand.

[Anonymous No.2833007]

>>2833005
Get my hands on it, sorry tired as fuck.

[Anonymous No.2833008]

any good vehicle database?
architecture database?

[Anonymous No.2833096]

>>2833004
the legs are pretty fugged, maybe redo the who of the lower half

[Anonymous No.2833122]

[Anonymous No.2833125]

I'm not feeling the gestures. Can I copy someone's else gesture?

[Anonymous No.2833281]

Mostly just repeating the things I have learned and using it to draw random furniture.

[Anonymous No.2833282]

>>2833004
legs are not ok everything else looks cool

[Anonymous No.2833295]

>Do the side profile picture from DOTRSTB
>It keeps coming out like shit
What do I do /beg/? Do I push through or do I keep trying? I measure the hell out of it every time and it still comes out looking meh.

>inb4 ngmi

[Anonymous No.2833299]

>>2833295
It will always be shit, so work on it, but definitely do move on to other stuff as well. Staying in one place for too long will kill your morale.

[Anonymous No.2833305]

>>2833299
Ok, and anther question. Do you think I'll also benefit from doing keys to drawing as well to help ground fundamentals?

[Anonymous No.2833307]

>>2833004
thighs kinda small but knees and below are tiny

[Anonymous No.2833309]

Most of the time in my day is spent at work.
As a beginner what should I be practicing away from home/reference?
Are there some good general exercises to incorporate into my day 2 day
Don't want to be wasting hours I could use making progress.

[Anonymous No.2833310]

>>2833309
Sketch things you see around yourself. Start with easy boxy geometrical stuff and then move to something more complex. Try not to waste too much time on one object if you're not feeling it at the moment.

[Anonymous No.2833341]

>>2833305
I think so, I did that and keys has some repeating material but also important information and practice not covered in RSB. If you have the time, I recommend doing both and then starting work on construction/perspective.

[Anonymous No.2833372]

>>2833341
OK after rs I'll do keys and the draw a box line exercises for line control.

[Nose Bro No.2833380]

>>2832973
move or i report your posts.

[Anonymous No.2833383]

I have severe autism, and now I have proof of that

[Anonymous No.2833399]

>>2833383
Holy shit, you're right anon. What the fuck is this shit? Is this the spark? Look at this composition and color play. What the fuck? I bet you didn't even think about it.

[Anonymous No.2833422]

>>2832054

90 secs

[Anonymous No.2833423]

>>2833422
>not resized
>lined paper
>sideways
Bet you took 9 seconds to post too.

[Anonymous No.2833429]

>>2833423

[Anonymous No.2833433]

>>2833429

[Anonymous No.2833453]

>>2833422
>>2833429
>>2833433

read both the OP and the sticky

[Anonymous No.2833456]

Hey /beg/, I started a few days ago and I'm still struggling with drawing what I see. I was wondering how far I could take the contour drawing exercise. I want to try doing it for 2-3 weeks, a few hours a day. Is that a good idea or would that be a waste of time?

[Anonymous No.2833459]

>>2833456
I meant blind contour drawing exercise.

[Anonymous No.2833462]

>>2833433
>>2833429
>>2833422

Stop shitting up the thread fucktard.

Also /sticky/

[Anonymous No.2833464]

>>2833456
If we're being honest, the farthest you'll take it is doing it exactly as it is. Easier said than done, but definitely useful and not a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.2833470]

>>2832058
al pacino is hard to do....

[Anonymous No.2833471]

>>2833456

That's not enough time.

>>2833462
>>2833453

You'll definitely need another 10 years before you can reach my level of skill

[Anonymous No.2833478]

>>2833471
By few hours a day I meant around 12, because I'm a neet and have nothing else to do.

[Anonymous No.2833483]

>>2833478
What's your goal anon, are you trying to draw anime gyarus too.

[Anonymous No.2833484]

>>2833483
Aren't we all. Actually to get fundamentals done in under a year.

[Anonymous No.2833485]

>>2833484
>Actually to get fundamentals done in under a year.
Yeah, about that.
Gonna have to put that dream down the drain, anon, because that ain't happening.
The fundamentals are always going to be there and you'll always be going back to improve them.
You can get much better in a year though, no doubt about it.

[Anonymous No.2833490]

>>2833383
Man those ellipses look like shite.

[Anonymous No.2833493]

>>2833485
Is there a logical limit to how much better?

[Anonymous No.2833494]

>>2832170
you wont get there by being scared

[Anonymous No.2833497]

>>2833490
I'm a retard with severe autism, don't expect much from me, besides my willingness to sometimes try.

[Anonymous No.2833502]

>>2833478

Do it. Get crazy with it. If you want more gainz only use a pen. Learn to work with your mistakes rather then erasing them. (Actually that's a good philosophy towards life)

This is some bullshit sketch of Al Pacino I made in 8 minutes only using a pen. It's not that great, but when I use a pencil and used a lot more time, I can draw a lot more efficiently.

[Anonymous No.2833503]

>>2833493
Yeah, some what.
You won't be as good as someone who's been doing art for a while like 10+ years.
But you can probably improve enough to be their 1-3 years level.
Here's a bit of an idea of what can be achieved in a year, not too shabby in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.2833510]

>>2833503
Are you implying this person was working for 12 hours every day of the year with clear goals and a structurized roadmap for 5 years?

[Anonymous No.2833515]

>>2833510
No.
Where did you get that idea?

[Anonymous No.2833524]

>>2833515
I misunderstood your post then, sorry. Could you clarify what exactly you mean in that picture by what can be achieved in a year?

[Anonymous No.2833529]

>>2833524
Really? I mean, I guess?
From 2007 to 2008, they improved, and then from 2008 to 2009, they improved again. The difference between this year and that year is how much improvement can be achieved in a year.

Aside from that, do you think you need to put in 12 hours every single day and have clear goals and a structured road map for 5 years, anon? Because that's just not true. Art has twists and turns all over the place. You may not always need to spend 12 hours, but five to six is a good amount. The closer you get to eight, the better. Anymore and art may take over your life and break you. So, you definitely need to take breaks and also have some other hobby or something on the side to relieve the stress and take your mind off of art. This stuff is just way too stressful to be doing constantly day by day for 12 hours. You'll kill yourself. Don't even worry about clear goals, as long as you're drawing and getting better, that's already good. If you experiment and have fun, time won't even matter because you'll just naturally get to the point you want to be at.

[Anonymous No.2833543]

>>2833529
I see. I do have a hobby actually, that is I go out mountain(more like wall) climbing every other day. I also wanted to start playing some instrument at some point. Do you really think there's more harm than good to drawing more than 8 hours per day?

[Anonymous No.2833562]

>>2833543
I do, but don't let me make the decision for you. You can try it out and see how it goes.

[Anonymous No.2833571]

>>2833562
Alright, thanks anon. I'll probably do as you say and draw as long as I have fun doing it, without intentionally stressing myself. Maybe that could be even more than 12 hours.

[Anonymous No.2833584]

Have any of you worked through mattisi's "force dynamic life drawing" book? What you think of it?

[Anonymous No.2833587]

>>2832547
zoom out for a bit

[Anonymous No.2833611]

I'm trying -_-

[Anonymous No.2833614]

>>2833611
Pretty gud senpai

[Anonymous No.2833630]

>>2833614
t-thanks, anon

[Anonymous No.2833636]

>>2832056
Im sorry riri

[Anonymous No.2833692]

>>2833611
Keep at it!

[Anonymous No.2833722]

How should I go about hairs when I try to draw, my cat for example? Would it be a good exercise to try and copy them?

[Anonymous No.2833765]

>>2832054

[Anonymous No.2833767]

>>2833765
this one look definitely nice

[Anonymous No.2833799]

I'm already seeing wrongs about it. Took me about an hour to do.

[Anonymous No.2833813]

>>2833799
Vagina is way too small and way too high. You're seeing it as a superficial feature. Take into account the anatomy beneath it.

[Anonymous No.2833839]

what are some feel good autistic turd polishing things I can do to a drawing? like putting a border around stuff or adding a small amount of colour

[Nose Bro No.2833859]

>>2833799
your vaginer is at penis height, lower it.

[Anonymous No.2833866]

>>2832056
>>2832058
>>2832060
>>2832062
>>2832064
i'm grateful for any advice

[Anonymous No.2833918]

>>2833866
Just take more time with everything, speed practice can be good but you're not at that level yet since you're chicken scratching a line 5 times. You need to be able to take the time to measure and semi-polish turds to really see what you're doing wrong and what you need to study.

[Anonymous No.2833934]

>>2832058
Took about an hour. 2puss to do the hair.
Not as great as I hoped, it looks a bit squashed and the nose looks broken.

[Anonymous No.2833936]

>>2833934
k-kawaii~

[Anonymous No.2833939]

>>2833934
And I didn't resize it, i'm a cunt.

[Anonymous No.2833941]

>>2833939
loomis

[Anonymous No.2833950]

>>2833918
i appreciate your help. :)

[Anonymous No.2833956]

>>2833584
anyone?

[Anonymous No.2833976]

>>2833956
its good book

[Anonymous No.2833980]

I'm doing drawabox.com and i'm at the 3d box part. it's much harder than i thought, even with the guidelines, i'm finding them kinda wonky.

the next exercise is doing it without the guidelines and i just literally cannot seem to do that. this is the stuff that i've struggled with for awhile and tried to just push through it and draw things for fun, so i really want to improve on it. how long is reasonable for me to spend on this?

[Anonymous No.2833987]

>>2833980
its fine, it looks wonky because the VP are too close

[Anonymous No.2833988]

didn't drawabox use to have a large section on humans? or am i crazy?
where'd it go

[Anonymous No.2833989]

>>2833987
ah well, i'll make it further away next time. and as simple as the idea of just not drawing the guidelines and trying to guesstimate it seems, i can't get my head around it.

i figure if i do enough pages of practice like this, i'll figure it out?

[Anonymous No.2833993]

>>2833980
Assuming those corners are supposed to be 90 degrees corners, than those are wrong. 90 degrees corners in perspective should never be acute. They become exactly 90 degrees in perspective when the viewer is standing right above the corner, and obtuse when the corner is away from the viewer. But no matter where you put a right angled corner, the right angle will never be acute.

[Anonymous No.2833996]

>>2833993
the lesson says draw a straight line, then draw a line from each of the top and bottom to the vp, then draw the other straight lines...it never mentions 90 degrees corners.

honestly, i feel really dumb because i don't really get what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.2834000]

>>2833989
Hello, I'm up to the same part as you. The site says to make use of ghosting, which if I remember is essentially hovering your pencil back and forth (but not actually drawing anything) across a line you want to draw. I've been doing that between my vertical line's point and the vanishing point, but only putting pen to paper for part of the line, the part that connects to my box.
I've included my own, maybe it'll help you.
I've explained this really, really badly, I'm sorry. I'm sure once we get this stuff down it'll be a lot more fun, too.

>>2833996
The site hasn't mentioned anything about the possibility of vanishing points being too close yet, so I didn't know that either.

[Anonymous No.2834001]

>>2834000
i will give it a try. thanks.

[Anonymous No.2834004]

>>2833988

They're still there if you put in the lesson number at the end of the url, ie. http://drawabox.com/lesson/9.. He removed them from the usual place because he feels they weren't up to par with the rest of the lessons that he has been fine tuning and will be updating them eventually.

[Anonymous No.2834013]

>>2832818
use newartacademy on youtube for gestures.

[Anonymous No.2834016]

>>2832058
Please critique

[Anonymous No.2834021]

>>2834004
Anyone willing to screenshot and stitch them together. I don't want to do it and fuck it up.

[Anonymous No.2834026]

Didn't capture Tyrell's likeness at all, but I had fun trying. T-that's what counts, right?

[Anonymous No.2834027]

>>2834026
ref

[Anonymous No.2834041]

this is pretty damn hard. but i mean, i'm doing it? kinda. badly.

[Anonymous No.2834043]

>>2834041
Breddy gud but make sure to draw boxes and not rectangular prisms. Boxes require you to be pretty precise.

[Anonymous No.2834044]

>>2834041
i only cheated on one, as you can tell by the partially forgotten line there. i am shame, but i wanted to see it, 'cause i couldn't seem to get it right on that one.

>>2834043
shit, i dunno why i just assumed it meant all different shapes.

[Anonymous No.2834047]

>>2834041
You are on the right track though good job.

[Anonymous No.2834049]

>>2834044
not shapes but, variants

[Anonymous No.2834051]

>>2834016
better than mine was... one of his smile marks starts in the wrong place though.the one on our left .

[Anonymous No.2834113]

Hows my loomis

[Anonymous No.2834114]

>>2834113
Good.

[Anonymous No.2834115]

>>2834113
Pretty spot on!

[Anonymous No.2834116]

>>2834113
smudging/10

[Anonymous No.2834132]

How I'll know that my gestures are good? What is the purpose of gestures?

[Anonymous No.2834133]

Fuck.
I gave myself two weeks off to learn to draw and I don't like my progress.

[Anonymous No.2834136]

>>2834133
this week on /beg/: the show: unrealistic expectations part 3

[Anonymous No.2834141]

>>2834136
Didn't expect to be a master. Just wanted better progress than what I ended up with

[Anonymous No.2834142]

>>2834141
give it 2 years next time

[Anonymous No.2834143]

>>2834141
What did your start look like?

[Anonymous No.2834148]

>>2834143

[Anonymous No.2834150]

I'm a noob when it comes to backgrounds feel free to critique

[Anonymous No.2834153]

>>2834150
more line weight
try adding shadow

[Anonymous No.2834161]

>>2834150
The way it is right now makes it kind of difficult to focus on the important parts, try adding some shades.
I'd crop the lower picture differently, to fit the golden ratio.
Otherwise it's got a nice feeling to it, you've got solid basis.

[Anonymous No.2834162]

>>2834148
Just give it more time, you're getting there.

[Anonymous No.2834215]

>>2832058
first try for all that, really like those thread, thanks to the ppl that made them

what do you think ?

struggling to beat symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.2834255]

would it help to draw more balls or should I move on?

[Anonymous No.2834273]

>>2832643
It's as begginer as you can go

[Anonymous No.2834277]

looking for Advanced Lighting with Sam Nielson - some anon posted it a while ago, it was watchable online, but i was a fucking retard and did not save it
pls halp

[Anonymous No.2834300]

I never use a reference when drawing, is that good or bad?

[Anonymous No.2834381]

would it be safe to draw using guidelines like this?

[Anonymous No.2834387]

Alright. How is my first attempt at a hand?

[Anonymous No.2834389]

There's something wrong with the nose particularly, any critique much appreciated


>>2834026
Your drawing is very line-dependent, try to capture forms with light and shadow rather than lines. The reference has rounder eyes with more pronounced lids, a less prominent jaw, and a less rectangular head.

>>2834133
The neck is very slim and the eyes are very large for photorealism. The head should measure roughly 5 eyes in width. The top of the head lacks volume - I think the photo might have been taken at a low angle

>>2834300
Photo studies are an invaluable part of learning art. You don't need to use references for everything you draw, but you will find it difficult to improve if you don't study from photos/life once in a while

[Anonymous No.2834397]

>>2834389
i'm doing drawabox.com, currently working on the sphere of boxes in perspective.

would you recommend me also do photo studies between doing this? or should i finish this, then move to photo studies?

[Anonymous No.2834401]

>>2832157
>drawing for six hours straight
How the fuck do I get this level of dedication?

[Anonymous No.2834404]

So I'm trying to copy some photos to train my eye. Would it be better to draw on paper while looking at my pc screen or should I draw on my graphic monitor having the photo and the drawing close to each other? The second method seems more effective but of course being a beginner my digital drawings are ten times worse than the ones on paper.

>>2834389
That Mei looks great

[Anonymous No.2834408]

>>2832157
look up nerve flossing exercises and do some every other day

[Anonymous No.2834410]

>>2833470
you should use your artwork for games about depressioon

[Anonymous No.2834411]

my SO came at me with a tablet last night out of the blue so I tried to see if I could do anything with it before I passed out after install. Hopefully I can draw eyes better than last time

[Anonymous No.2834412]

>>2833470
you should use your artwork for games about depression

[Anonymous No.2834434]

>>2833004
i could be wrong but seems like the pose on the bottom half is bad too. like you should have them reversed

[Anonymous No.2834436]

>>2833490
How helpful is this kind of repetitive practice. I keep hearing this idea of "milage."

[Anonymous No.2834443]

>>2834215
It might be better if at first you posted drawings in pencil only, as it's easier to actually see your "hand" and give advice that way.
The drawing isn't bad altogether, but there are some things that are off, like his fringe being kind of stuck the the rest of his hair, the eyes are different in size, on the photo reference his head is tilted to the right a bit more, general things like that.
Other than that I think your on a good path. Practice more, post more, you'll make it.

[Anonymous No.2834450]

Has anyone downloaded Clip Studio from Amazon? I didn't realise they did direct software downloads.

I don't mind paying for it but I wonder if it's better to get it direct from the supplier.

[Anonymous No.2834453]

How the fuck do I draw a straight line?

[Anonymous No.2834455]

>>2834453
With a ruler.

[Anonymous No.2834465]

>>2834255
The transition in the middle looks too hard and the center light looks as if it was smudged, try it once again.

>>2834387
Fingers seem too long, it should be about the same length as the palm. Not bad for a first attempt though, keep on going.

>>2834389
Mei seems fine to me, you're not quite a beginner anon.

>>2834404
Unless digital feels more comfortable to you, practice with pencil first.

>>2834411
Can't find what's wrong with them, maybe they just feel too feminine contrary to the brows and nose. I like the use of colours altogether.

[Anonymous No.2834478]

>>2834465
I'm the anon that posted the hand. Thank you for the constructive criticism and the encouragement.

[Anonymous No.2834483]

>>2834150
why is the bottom mountain flexing

also why is there a dick coming out of the top

[Anonymous No.2834484]

>>2834443
Thanks for the advises ! Will try with pencils next time

[Anonymous No.2834492]

>>2834150
Is your media ink or digital?
Also, the curve of the horizon makes the globe seem so small.

[Anonymous No.2834548]

any advice on learning to draw/paint faces?

[Anonymous No.2834549]

>>2834548
I would say make the eyes and mouse part of the rest of the face, not lying on tip of the face. Not bad other than that though.

[Anonymous No.2834564]

>>2834548
go darker and slightly less saturated

[Anonymous No.2834573]

>>2834389
how long you have been practicing? what are yu doing? drawabox? scott robertson?

[Anonymous No.2834596]

>>2832059

[Anonymous No.2834597]

>>2834596
and that turd polished just a little bit

[Anonymous No.2834599]

>>2832058

[Anonymous No.2834606]

[Anonymous No.2834608]

>>2834606
Nice. Teach me master.

[Anonymous No.2834615]

What do you guys think.?
>>2832058

[Anonymous No.2834630]

>>2834615
put the ref on the side and zoom out a lil. You'll see your fuck ups. But, if accuracy is not your aim it's an okay base to paint if you know how.

[Anonymous No.2834746]

>>2834411
What kind of program, brush, and method do people use to get this look

[Anonymous No.2834754]

>>2834548
loomis. then get a better matching background color. color is relative

[Anonymous No.2834771]

>>2834746
Looks like watercolor.

[Anonymous No.2834869]

>>2832062

i need a bigger sketchbook and plan shit out better

[Anonymous No.2834874]

>>2834869
You just need to plan your composition better. Was one of the second things I learned in an art class was to make sure your shit didn't go off the page or be too small by doing some marks to make sure it's in place.

[Anonymous No.2834955]

>>2834869
>i need a bigger sketchbook
no

>plan shit out better
yes

[Anonymous No.2834959]

>>2834412
2 of my main influences worked on silent hill , masahiro ito and takayoshi sato. lol

[Anonymous No.2834964]

I drew a Nazi I saw on /his/

[Anonymous No.2834975]

>>2834453
on paper wit ha ruler ,on digital with shift click.

[Anonymous No.2835022]

Loomis seems like a cool guy

[Anonymous No.2835032]

>>2832860
Blog? Something about this is really pleasing to look at

[Anonymous No.2835152]

What does really means "be more confident with your values". Does this mean no to be guessing? I'm trying to learn planes on forms right now I think that will help me to understand value and just guess and logic.

[Anonymous No.2835154]

>>2835152
That usually means go darker because you're pussying out and staying too light.

[Anonymous No.2835155]

>>2835152
I really want to understand and study I'm taking this seriously. I got this advice from a guy, "hard edges and be more confident with your values." on this painting

[Anonymous No.2835156]

I'm sick of this faggot's smug cunt face

[Anonymous No.2835214]

i need help, let me explain

so i did this small loop animation and someone wants to commission me to do something similar, how much should i charge?

[Anonymous No.2835265]

>>2834746
I posted >>2834411 and I just used a plain brush on sai set to the shape "flat"

[Anonymous No.2835268]

>>2835214
No idea anon, there's an animation thread check the catalog. They'd have more knowledge about that kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.2835275]

>>2833980
My best advice is to head on over to their subreddit. They have a MUCH better eye for those exercises than us. We're more for stuff like Betty/Dodson/Loomis/Based Vilppu.

No offense my fellow d/ic/ks

[Anonymous No.2835277]

to people who use an ipad pro for drawing, which app do you prefer, which do you think is the best, features-wise?

do any of them have stabilizers?

[Anonymous No.2835278]

>>2834964
Post ref bro.

[Anonymous No.2835282]

will this help me draw torsos? Like an alternative? I read the stick and looked at the recommended books but I got turn off pretty fast. So I found this drawing and was wondering if it's as good or do I need to read the sticky before I can even DRAW torsos like in the drawing.

[Anonymous No.2835283]

>>2835277
>>2835068

[Anonymous No.2835284]

>>2835282
thats a shitty tutorial. especially that middle pic wtf is that torso and pelvic distance

[Anonymous No.2835285]

>>2835282
Anon, you can use whatever resource as long as it helps YOU understand the material. You could look at anime all day for torsos, but what matters is whether or not you actually have tried to draw it and improve upon it. All the resources in the world don't matter if you aren't drawing, so draw with this and see how it goes.

Really, not sure what your problem is with torsos anyways. This image doesn't seem to demonstrate anything difficult about it. What was hard about it to me was what connected the hip and the ribs.

[Anonymous No.2835295]

>>2835282
knowing how to draw torsos will help you draw torsos

real ones, btw

good style comes from a profound understanding of how life works

[Anonymous No.2835299]

>>2835295
So I can't copy it like the picture is telling me to do?

[Anonymous No.2835300]

>>2835295
>knowing how to draw torsos will help you draw torsos
Can you whip me up a tutorial on how to draw torsos so it can help me draw torsos?

[Anonymous No.2835302]

Sketches from the last week, no internet where I'm living so I can only get it when I drive into the city for groceries

>tfw I compiled all the images in PS, flipped it and suddenly realised all the eyes were wonky

Downloading Loomis' books and a couple of the other sticky recommendations while I'm up here.

[Anonymous No.2835305]

>>2835302
Whoa, you're so good.
How do I get to your level?

>inb4 cut off internet

Yeah, aside from that.

[Anonymous No.2835325]

>>2834465
Is this any better? I don't think so, I'm having trouble with this

[Anonymous No.2835326]

>>2835300
There are many free torrents for anatomical books in the bookthread.

In many cases, tutorials are not really needed. They can have some tips and tricks here and there but what will really get it through to you is the baseline understanding of how a body part works. This involves drawing/painting studies of it from as many angles as you can and internalizing the function of it in different angles, foreshortened, or otherwise. Remember to simplify things until they're small enough to handle and work with. Don't expect to be hand held so often (especially on this board). Just draw and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.2835327]

>>2835302

Addendum: Didn't have an eraser for the sketches on lined paper which is why construction's still in there

Majority of the sketches are women because most of the images I had on my HDD for study were porn, everything else is from DVD covers or a Dragon's Dogma artbook .pdf I found

>>2835305

I was working at /making it/ for 3 months or so until I started University and dropped it to focus on that, then I had an accident that made me have to drop Uni so I've started sketching again to pass the time. If you want advice I'd just say spend free time sketching, occasionally read theory and don't burn yourself out

[Anonymous No.2835330]

>>2835299
There are no rules. Do what you want. But if you're telling me that you literally just read the sticky then you're so far low a level of skill that tutorials like that will do next to nothing for you when compared to learning from life.

[Anonymous No.2835336]

>>2835330
>tutorials like that will do next to nothing for you when compared to learning from life.
What's the difference between drawing as a hobby and drawing for a realistic aim

[Anonymous No.2835340]

>>2835336
The former is for fun, the latter is all about going through crazy amounts of stress just to be able to draw something small.

[Anonymous No.2835341]

>>2835336
Are you trying to imply that "hobbyism" is a style if you're comparing it to "realistic aim?" I'm not quite sure.

In that case if you're making 5-minute doodles every couple days on MSpaint literally nothing matters. As long as you're having fun (which most of this board has forgotten in the quest to get good) that's all that matters.

>>2835340
What is "small" in your definition?

[Anonymous No.2835343]

>>2835341
>In that case if you're making 5-minute doodles every couple days on MSpaint literally nothing matters.
Yes, the last drawing I made was the bird from Wadanohara but I tried my best to capture the character's on model appearance.

[Anonymous No.2835346]

>>2835341
>What is "small"
>train for years to be able to do realistic figures
>some random guy sees it
>"I could never do that in my life time! That's called talent! But who cares? It's just a drawing on a piece of paper! It's useless!"

[Anonymous No.2835351]

and I also drew this picture of Homura a few days ago, I was inspired by this goofy madoka video and it gave me an idea of what to draw but im not sure it's good enough to warrant talent or recognition.

[Anonymous No.2835357]

>>2835351
Composition is good, back ground is a good color too, meshes well with her color scheme. Proportions are in control. You should draw some more, I want to see you grow.

[Anonymous No.2835364]

Is it important to know the skeletal structure first before moving on to figures?

[Anonymous No.2835368]

>>2835357
thank you, i really try my best to learn. I just wish my inpatient-ness doesn't make me lash out on other people, discouraging them from befriending me and such im sure they won't have time to help, that's why i was trying to learn how draw torsos from that osaka drawing but it seemed flawed by the people here. Or I just don't know how to draw bodies yet outside of freehanding it. Most of my drawings are free hand but sometimes I'll start out with a shape.

[Anonymous No.2835370]

>>2835364
just some basics, general shape of the skull, the ribcage, leg and arm bones, pelvis is enough

[Anonymous No.2835387]

>>2835325
not same anon, but u need to focus on relative values. dont smudge until u know how to control your pencil pressure. why is the reflected light basically the same value as the highlight/theres no indication of the form because of your giant dark terminator which shouldn't be darker than the cast shadow. try again with a focus on values, edges, and control because you are just being way too messy. maybe render an egg from life instead

[Anonymous No.2835389]

>>2835155
is this your painting? dont keep polishing it, it's a turd because of composition and if it's a study then stop it and do something else, but if u were to keep drawing it, fix your materials. everything is painted the same. theres no indication of how shiny the glasses are/hair skin and clothes look the same and the head is just floating in space because of no defined foreground/background

[Anonymous No.2835410]

>find it easier to draw from life than to draw from anime
What does this mean? Why is it so hard to draw anime but drawing realistically is a lot easier?

[Anonymous No.2835412]

Which do you think is better

[Anonymous No.2835419]

My roughs on top and the line work im trying to practice on bottom

[Anonymous No.2835420]

>>2835412
Left would be fine if you knew where to place shadow

[Anonymous No.2835434]

>>2835419
Did you use a ref or is this all from imagination?

[Anonymous No.2835436]

>>2835420
true, what about now

[Anonymous No.2835439]

>>2835412
middle because you ruined it with your linework and coloring, it looks dead, also learn how the hair and neck will attach to the skull, the drawing is not in right perspective, you have parts of it facing front and parts going 3/4, choose one, it's fucking your drawing -> eyelids, nose, and mouth don't look right because of it and no it's not because of the different face shape or expression as much as how you drew it.

>>2835419
pretty good, work on not simply tracing over your roughs though but rather thinking of how a form would work - theres issues with areas because you didn't draw through: neck, arms, on left girl and it looks completely flat, the right girls legs look like stubs and ears dont connect, also the hands don't show any depth/bone structure. overall pretty good attempt but your line work kills the forms

[Anonymous No.2835442]

>>2832053
Anyone notice that there hasn't been a new thread in two days? What happened? Did everyone quit? We had them being made daily.

[Anonymous No.2835444]

>>2835412
>>2835439
that stuff makes a lot of sense and gives me a direction. Thanks

[Anonymous No.2835458]

>>2835442
The New Years resolutioners have fizzled out

[Anonymous No.2835461]

>>2835458
She sure love drinking semen...

[Anonymous No.2835464]

>>2835444
np dude, i have some other suggestions: learn about line of action/do a lot of gesture drawings to learn about where the figures weight is going to be and you can define the lines based on that or whats closer/further if that makes any sense? like i said before to work on defining form but combined that with sense of gesture you will have a really good drawing, i believe in you

[Anonymous No.2835527]

[Anonymous No.2835536]

>>2834608
Thank you

I can't actually teach you much; what would you like to know?

[Anonymous No.2835540]

>>2835461
uh

[Anonymous No.2835544]

>>2834548
Learn to draw basic forms and then how to construct more complex 3-dimensional forms from that. Once you've got that down, study the skull and facial features

[Anonymous No.2835550]

>>2832056
>>2834443
Tried to do it with pencils only this time

Right eye is fucked.
Really hard for me to "understand" values, it's like i see them, but don't know who to apply them...

What do you think guys ?

[Anonymous No.2835552]

[Anonymous No.2835559]

Am I on the right path?

[Anonymous No.2835567]

>>2835559
The noses are a bit strange and could be less exaggerated but they look ok as stylised old people

[Anonymous No.2835577]

>>2835567
Don't listen to me though; I'm in no fit state to tell people what they should and shouldn't do

[Anonymous No.2835590]

[Anonymous No.2835595]

oh fug come on. make the new thread so my gesture dump doesnt get cut off. anyways here's exactly 260 overlapping gestures

[Anonymous No.2835596]

>>2835595

[Anonymous No.2835612]

>>2835602
>>2835602
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>>2835602
>>2835602
>>2835602

>>2835602
>>2835602
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[Anonymous No.2835674]

>>2835536
I will ask you some questions in the new thread later if you are still around. Gotta go be a wage slave for now..

[Anonymous No.2835787]

>>2835434
I used a ref

[Anonymous No.2836263]

>>2835550
one ear looks to be sticking out while the other seems pressed against her head. The top hair part looks toupee-ish since it kind of just sits there.

[Anonymous No.2837086]

>>2832053
How do I study values?

This alone took hours to do with the ref. Is there a systematic way to internalize values than just hoping that after observing and copying still lives for lengthy amounts of time you'll just get it?

[Anonymous No.2837089]

>>2837086
Do a lot of them and then attempt to do them from memory. Also do them in your own pieces. Can you manage to do multiple objects in value all with the same lighting?

[Anonymous No.2838118]

>>2832053
I'm looking for a picture with /ic/ recommended book reading order, I lost mine and can't find it anywhere.