/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2830964]

We know that there can be no 'best' in art. Its a subjective notion. But what could an artist conceivably do to convince a majority of people that they were indeed the best? what can one do to surpass all that have come before him? Also who is in your opinion the 'best' or one of?

[Anonymous No.2830970]

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[Anonymous No.2830972]

Be charismatic, eccentric, social as fuck and active. And sell a shitload of art for shitloads of money.

Literally nothing about your actual art can convince the masses you are the best.

And even then, your status, if any, will only last until a fresher guy appears to woo the masses.

[Anonymous No.2830985]

>>2830972
fair points, but could the combination of showmanship and technical ability do it? I dont see anyone in the industries that have both going for them, and there are artists that sell a shitload at high value and no layman knows their name. I admire banksy for his high end value whilst still connecting with the working man. And its true that status only lasts so long, but Picasso did a damn good job of cementing himself, no reason to say someone couldnt do more

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[Deanna No.2831023]

>>2830964
theme > technical skill
visionary > accuracy

Although technical skill in a great magnitude is required to create an art that is whole, artistic inspiration or creativity is even more valuable than it. Technical prowess provides nothing but a spectacle, people would be disinterested in your art once they've seen it for a while, your art would be forgotten. A great painting must continue beyond the canvas, it has to make people think and contemplate beyond the technical display. To make contact with the depths of human's emotion an art must deliver a catharsis. A great artist knows how to push the boundaries technical capability for the sole purpose of delivering catharsis, he would hate to show off his technical prowess, he just wants to lead the audience spiritually.

As I said, an art is considered as a masterpiece when it touches the depths of human's thoughts and emotions. To achieve this, it has to overcome the barriers of the medium. The barriers of culture, the barriers of language, the barriers of ideologies, the barriers of symbols, the barriers of selfishness, and so on. Of course it would be impossible for the artist to overcome absolutely all of the barriers, but this is what all artists must strive for, the overcoming of barriers.

In order to overcome the barriers, we must pay attention and respect to the idiom of art, which is emotion. "The artistic image cannot be one-sided: in order justly to be called truthful, it has to unite within itself dialectically contradictory phenomena", as written in Tarkovsky's Sculpting in Time. In art, an idea must only exists as an image. We can't express our ideas effectively in art except through the poetic (and not symbolic) means. Therefore, in a creation of art, we must not be bound to our own ideas, let the audience find a meaning in your art not through dissection but through mere experience. This verifies the importance of humbleness and humility of the artist, not a showman but a philanthrope.

[Anonymous No.2831029]

sarcastic answer: sculpt this at 24 years old is a good start

serious answer: make a masterpiece in every art movement in art history. Now that we have seen what every art movement is we are on the verge of meeting the greatest artist who has ever lived.

[Anonymous No.2831030]

>>2831023
Thank you for the detailed and educated response, screencapping for reference as it was very well-written. I would like to probe you further but that all hit the nail on the head for me.

[Anonymous No.2831035]

>>2831029
for instance: im not the greatest artist who's ever lived, but my goal is to move my way backwards through every art movement back towards primitive art.

Currently I'm stuck in abstract artwork but I've made attempts into cubism and post-impressionism. Ive only been painting with this intent for about 3 years but I plan on doing it for my whole lifetime. Work my way through every art movement in reverse order starting with modern art back through renaissance and into primitive.

[Anonymous No.2831037]

>>2831029
But wouldnt that sacrifice originality and authenticity? why look back on the past if what we are all looking for is the great art of the future?

[Deanna No.2831059]

>>2831023
(cont)
To efficaciously express our ideas through the the poetic images, the idea must not be banal. A banal idea, an individual's screams of desire, goes through everyone's head, everyone except you and the people who understands you. It is a selfish goal to express your individualism through art, an artist is a servant to their audience. They can't be a fascist.

The ideas of art must transcend the ideas of man itself. The desire as expressed through art must be absolute, art contains within itself a spiritual and mystical meaning. Man's longing for harmony must be the theme of art, it must give hope to mankind that is infinitely greater than the banality of basic desires. Art doesn't have to be religious but this is the reason why most of the artworks that prevailed are religious.

>>2831030
Thanks, I just got a burst of inspiration.

>>2831037
What he meant is we have to seek for a room of improvement in each movement of art, I think. How can you improve something without knowing what it is? No need to reinvent the wheel to create innovation.

[Anonymous No.2831068]

>>2831059
thanks, you have a way with words and have given me a lot to contemplate. All ideas I already had made clearer. And I agree regarding the wheel reinvention. I take Bruce Lees advice on this matter, 'take that which serves you, disregrd that which does not' That is, I think, the best way to learn from the past.

[Anonymous No.2831084]

>>2831037
>But wouldnt that sacrifice originality and authenticity? why look back on the past if what we are all looking for is the great art of the future?
what you think of as originality is illustrators with one "style"... a true master of artwork would be able to create artwork in every actual style, in every movement, and make a masterpiece. You can't be the greatest artist of all time if all you do is paint like an impressionist, or a cubist, or an expressionist.

That is a truly original concept, and shows respect for who came before you while creating multiple styles and places to fit into every part of history. Showing that no matter what time you could've been born in you would've been able to be an artist and make a living at it.

Nobody has done that yet.

[Anonymous No.2831103]

>>2831084
Not so, what I think of as originality is looking inward for style, tapping into ones own authenticity, all styles are different interpretations of what is inside and outside of us. Personally I desire to transcend style, in the sense that I am my own style, fluid and evolutionary, consistent yet ever-changing. To me there is no authenticity in copying the styles of previous artists, because as impressive as your intention is (and I respect that your path is your own), I have no interest in your ability to emulate, because you are emulating what THEY wanted to do, whereas I am interested in what YOU want to do, what lies in your imagination? what makes you itch? Because beyond that it seems like an attempt to prove a point, which benefits noone.

again I do not wish do disrespect your concept, but that is my feeling on it.

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[Anonymous No.2831179]

>>2830985
My plan is to git genuinely at art and charismatic as fuck I'm gonna train hard on both for a year and see how I end up

[Anonymous No.2831182]

>>2831029
>Masterpiece
Anything with animu face is shit tbqh

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[Anonymous No.2833805]

>>2831029
>Now that we have seen what every art movement is we are on the verge of meeting the greatest artist who has ever lived.
In that moment my god complex was once again activated. This is what I was striving for - the godhood. Even though I am a beginner and there's a chance I won't even make to a decent level, I still want to see myself at the very top.

[Anonymous No.2835110]

>>2833805
race ya

[Anonymous No.2835115]

>>2830964
Just make a colored pencil portrait of taylor swift or something, ash ketchum.

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[Anonymous No.2837099]

>>2831023
>>2831059
i was always striving for this without wording it even in my mind, and i always admired art done in this fashion. congrats you gave me an art boner

[Anonymous No.2837101]

>>2831029
>Now that we have seen what every art movement is we are on the verge of meeting the greatest artist who has ever lived.
>>2833805
>In that moment my god complex was once again activated. This is what I was striving for - the godhood.

sorry lads but you're a bit late

[Anonymous No.2837102]

this thread is pure inspiration

[Anonymous No.2837107]

>>2831179
How the fook do ya train charisma?

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[Anonymous No.2839945]

>>2839944
How do you make it seem like the fish are swimming and not just floating in space?

[Anonymous No.2839949]

>>2839945
Thats not my piece, dumping inspiration to keep the thread going, but I would say that they look as though they are swimming through the air due to the suggested motion in their poses, probably referenced from a picture where they were moving at some speed, its also worth noting they are slightly transluscent which adds to the fluidity.