/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2815021]

>Be 15 year old me
>Want to write manga but shit at drawing
>Be 18 years old
>finally satisfied with current drawing ability
>stagnate from drawing for a whole week trying to create an interesting plot and write chapter one

I-I was so close to making it. How the hell do mangaka even do this?

>inb4 they hire a writer
>inb4 post work
>inb4 who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.2815025]

honestly, all these weeb threads make me wish for a weeb genocide

[Anonymous No.2815029]

>>2815025
Where do you think you are?

[OP No.2815033]

>>2815025
>>2815029
help

[Anonymous No.2815036]

>>2815029
>e-everyone else is a weeb degenerate with a waifu shrine too.. r-right..?

[Anonymous No.2815037]

>>2815033
Not your personal blog.

[OP No.2815040]

>>2815037
im not blogging. Teach me how to create story. /ic/ only taught me how to draw.

[Anonymous No.2815042]

>>2815036
>post animu on a chinese bitcoin farm broker site
>hurrrr degenerate I bet you must have a waifu too

I say again where do you think you are? This isn't stormfront, storm weenie.

[Anonymous No.2815043]

>>2815040
then why dont you go to /lit/

[Anonymous No.2815044]

>>2815040
We're not going to spoonfeed you. Blog about it on jewbook and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2815046]

>>2815021
its not like your first story must be a masterpiece, just write anything, thats how people get good you know?

[OP No.2815047]

>>2815043
no. /lit/ is for the mechanics and actual art form of writing nice sentences. I suck at english.

Am i really the one on /ic/ that wanted to make a manga one day? Doesn't anyone have experience with this?

>>2815044
sure you are. Just tell me who the loomis equivalent of writing is.

[Anonymous No.2815048]

>>2815040
I dunno, maybe read a ton of books while also observing how the writer develops the plot and stuff

[Anonymous No.2815052]

>>2815021
Just like with any other creative pursuit, when writing a story your first many creations are going to be shit.

You should know this from drawing, just keep practicing and trying.

[Anonymous No.2815054]

>>2815021
Why are the weebs the biggest losers I encounter so far? Well its obvious isnt it

[Anonymous No.2815057]

>>2815048
Its like, i know what my favorite manga and anime are, what i want to write about, and what kind of story i want, but i cant seem to fit it all together.
>>2815052
i guess this is why so many mangaka start off with hentai doujinshi

[Anonymous No.2815063]

I wanted to be a writer for several years before I decided to draw. Wrote lots of rubbish before realizing that I can't even communicate sensibly, let alone write properly. Feelsbadman.jpg

[Anonymous No.2815073]

Oh, I know all about this, OP. I've been wanting to do comics for ages. Every time I start I fail because I'm story-retarded. Then I tried to get together with writers to make it happen, then all the writers I found were too unmotivated to write comics, so that didn't work either. I tried to teach myself to write, and it's been the hardest fucking thing. Let me know when you find a solution, because you should know, there is no Loomis equivalent to writing. Everyone will tell you "just write" and "just write" and the only fundamentals you'll see are grammar. Embrace your shit stories and utilize them the best you can, because you're not going to get together a good plot for quite some time.

[OP No.2815082]

>>2815063
>>2815073
>feel when approach biggest opponent yet, again

[Anonymous No.2815085]

>>2815021
This one is for you, anon.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtV-ugIT0k

[Anonymous No.2815088]

I heard good things about this book. I haven't gotten to reading it yet, but if you find it helpful let us know.

[Anonymous No.2815091]

>>2815088
Ill also throw this book out there that Ive heard about.

[Anonymous No.2815101]

>>2815040
Draw characters you like and make them interact with each other

[Anonymous No.2815109]

>>2815063
>Wrote lots of rubbish before realizing that I can't even communicate sensibly, let alone write properly.

You wrote this properly and communicated it sensibly.

[Anonymous No.2815122]

>>2815021
>How the hell do mangaka even do this?
by being failures who can only write stereotypated shit for teenagers?

If you want to make something worthwile start having more interests. Read the classics, start analyzing critically the works you have in your hands, get into philosophy or try thinking out of the box.

If you just want to make weebshit take an opera from the genre you are interested in, copy 99% of it and maybe change a bit the premise

[Anonymous No.2815134]

>>2815042
holy shit
>everyone who hates weebshit is a nazi
please go outside sometimes

[Anonymous No.2815142]

>>2815109
Naw anon, I'm shit. I even dropped out after middle school because I couldn't even talk without stammering and blocking at ungodly levels

[Anonymous No.2815144]

>>2815025

[Anonymous No.2815147]

>>2815134
holy shit
>everything that is posted is factual and not at all sarcastic
please lurk more
and before you reply with

>I was just pretending to be retarded!

>Degenerate
>not a buzzword used by stormweenies

[OP No.2815164]

thanks for the suggestions all

[Anonymous No.2815329]

Why does it have to be a manga? Why can't it just be a comic?

Weeb pisstaking aside, nobody writes a masterpiece on their first try. Every story goes through several drafts before its published, and even then they're never perfect. Even if your ideas are shit, you just need to refine them.

[Anonymous No.2815358]

>>2815021
HATE JEWS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

[Anonymous No.2815479]

>>2815021

I'm no writer but one thing I perceive is that good writers are capable of breathing humanity into their characters.

Your characters are probaly anemic collections of tropes and barelly individuals at all, that's why you fail. You know what you like, but you don't quite understand why.

Think about a situation from history or story, and think how would a character act in those situations and why it would be interesting and how would write it to pass the correct feeling from your impressions. How would it appeal to a public (ie. how would they life through your characters?). Situations are but fancy justificatives, sofisticated catalysts, so those feelings might exist. Not even the character themselves, but their point of view transmited by all those interactions, that is the real gold you want to struck with a tale. With a comic/manga you have all of an aesthetic to back you up or omit instead of writing too much, an equilibrium of showing and telling. Sometimes a simple story which would be called dumb is all saved by adequate use of appelling aesthetics that delivers.

Just an non english speaker and his one cent and a half of an opinion here.

[Anonymous No.2815551]

>>2815047
kek, I'm going to school for English so that I can learn how to write a great story (and know what kind of story if worth telling) while developing my art on the side. (not that i'm great at either - but I've always felt that story should come first)

One of the things that helps me is, when I'm around people or in a social environment, I look for interesting people to talk to and I make notes of the things they tell me about their lives, or their idiosyncrasies, etc, so that I have something to go to when i'm trying to build believable characters.

In my experience the best stories aren't the most outrageous or innovative - they're the ones that are informed by the writer's actual experience. Little quirks, ways of expressing or reacting that go beyond formula fiction, etc

So it's best to write what you know, but that doesn't mean it has to be boring, you can take people or interactions you've experienced and transpose them into a different, challenging setting.

Maybe get a note pad/app and just practice recording little experiences, or people you see that interest you (people that you like and hate are equally useful for mining material). It's hard to make dialogue / characters feel natural, but it's easy to study how people interact - and once you have characters with a solid identity + an interesting setting / the beginning of a premise, the story tends to write itself, propelled by how they make decisions / what you can throw at them that would challenge them the most.

It's also good to be empathetic with your characters; if you have a scumlord, show that he has a good side or is good at something, if you have an angel show that they are flawed or instances of failure. This makes them more dynamic / believable.

[Anonymous No.2815572]

>>2815122
Tumblr: the post

[Anonymous No.2815575]

>>2815040
/lit/ is for story
/ic/ is for art

GOGOGO op.

[Anonymous No.2815592]

>>2815575
You're right but we should be free to discuss story here too - some of them most compelling works we see are great because of their ability to relate a story or suggest a narrative or a strong sense of character. While /lit/ would be helpful, they don't discuss story in the context of art - it's just pure story, which requires a different kind of description. Don't be a stickler and isolate two art forms that play well together.

[Anonymous No.2815594]

>>2815040
What kind of story do you want to create? Do you have a fav genre? Do you have any ideas that we can shit on or workshop?

[Anonymous No.2815626]

>>2815021
I'm in almost the same spot. I draw panels and sketches/concepts and pin them on a wall which I can then move around to get a better view of the story. It's a good idea not to stress things. You also don't have to write the story in chronological order, nothing is stopping you from coming up with a great ending before you know how it will start.

There is a lot of resources available too on storytelling, books as well as shorter guides such as pic related even though there certainly are a lot of better ones. A lot of stories are based on older stories, so it's a good idea to research old fairytales and stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.2815646]

>>2815021
Have you even seen what One Punch Man or the pilot chapter for Attack on Titan originally looked like?

[Anonymous No.2815647]

>>2815025
Cry some more, faggot.

[Anonymous No.2815650]

>>2815021
Write an outline
FOR THE ENTIRE STORY
DONT START WRITING CHAPTERS UNTIL YOU HAVE AN OUTLINE REEEEE

[Anonymous No.2815679]

>>2815650
THE. ONLY. CORRECT. ANSWER.

by the time you have the whole story outline finished. writing each chapter is essentially homework.
>will this make sense later?
>does this line up with what i've written already?
>what does the audience currently know about what is happening?
>are these character interactions moving the story and/or developing the characters?
>is any of this even interesting on paper?
>is there enough context for these events to actually mean something?
>is 'x' boring?

you don't need to have a novel. you just need good dialogue, scenes, and events, that will transfer well into the visual format.
>shit happens for a reason, context, etc.

if something happens, how will you show that in the layout?
>an epic battle between warring intergalactic factions would make for a shitty 4koma.

[Anonymous No.2815948]

>Take a story that you like. (It should be old as fuck too)
>Animufy the plot and the characters.
>Start writing the chapters.

[Anonymous No.2817306]

>>2815021
Start small. Don't do pages and stories at first. Do characters and only a few panels.