/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.2797731]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a question thread for that.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

OLD THREAD: >>2795600

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[Anonymous No.2797746]

Joke ref

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[Anonymous No.2797761]

do i post only my best cleanest stuff or all the suboptimal work too?

[Anonymous No.2797770]

>>2797761
Post ANYTHING you want a critique on as long as it's Art related and 2d.

[Anonymous No.2797771]

>>2797761
Just post everything you seem to feel like you need help with, doesn't matter if its super clean and already finished.
Ofc, people will be able to give you a better critique if you finish a piece as best as you can, but if you just want a quick insight to a drawing post it.

[Anonymous No.2797777]

>tfw nobody critiques your studies so you post them on social media for all the normies to lap up

It's like patting myself on the back, but I gotta do it cause it impresses women. I'm a hack.

[Anonymous No.2797780]

>>2797731

[Anonymous No.2797786]

>>2797780

Why did you take the time to do this

[Anonymous No.2797788]

>>2797786
Doonga noon fig bunna fo?

[Anonymous No.2797790]

Anything glaringly wrong with this before I dive into the real work, other than that I can't into tablets?

[Anonymous No.2797795]

>>2797790
Her right leg. From the hip to the knee is longer

[Anonymous No.2797796]

>want to draw
>start
>learning to draw good seems impossible
>want to kill myself because I'm shit at everything
does it ever get easier?

[Anonymous No.2797797]

>>2797795
Thanks, I also noticed the ribcage is completely wrong. It's time for a break.

[Anonymous No.2797804]

>>2797796
No, but when you do succeed it'll feel like much more of an accomplishment

[Anonymous No.2797805]

>>2797804
thanks. Maybe I'll just continue to prove it to myself.

[Anonymous No.2797811]

>>2797797
Ahh yeah that too

[Anonymous No.2797812]

I feel like I'm getting the shading completely wrong, can someone point me in the right direction?

[Anonymous No.2797814]

>>2797812
I think the muscle wraps like an S from the hip to the knee

[Anonymous No.2797815]

Reposting.

I'm working on a few Dylan studies for my dad's birthday. So far, I can tell that I need to fix up the eyes (too low, wrong shape) and make the hair less of a sketchy mess. Feedback much appreciated.

[Anonymous No.2797818]

>>2797812
Watch CTRL- Paints Videos on the basic of rendering.
Then start by only working with Grey-Scale, when you feel you understand it go on and try working with colors.

[Anonymous No.2797819]

[Anonymous No.2797821]

I can detect masculine facial features and an overall sinuous, blob--like facial structure

Help would very much be appreciated!

[Anonymous No.2797826]

>>2797821
Femenine shoulders

[Anonymous No.2797829]

>>2797826
Do you mean the whole thing looks a bit like a male except for the shoulders which look female?

Do you mean the whole thing look a bit female except for the shoulders which look masculine in structure?

[Anonymous No.2797831]

>>2797829
Yes

[Anonymous No.2797832]

>>2797796
You need to find the love in learning and the creative process. If you don't you'll never make it because it'll feel like a chore. So you can continue to suffer until your mindset changes if you still don't enjoy the process then maybe drawing isn't for you.

[Anonymous No.2797833]

>>2797831
So they look non-binary?

[Anonymous No.2797834]

>>2797832
this pêh. getting good involves a lot of grinding, letting time do its work, and recognizing the beauty in growing as an artist, as unpleasant as it can be

[Anonymous No.2797837]

>>2797832
>>2797796
if u like art, but not the results of ur labour; u need to go through more of that good old traditional grinding, after some threshold being reached u will SEE better in ur art

[Anonymous No.2797838]

>>2797833
Thanks for the critique though and have a nice day or night depending on where you live

[Anonymous No.2797839]

Does anyone here use any of those linear perspective technics like the ones from "Perspective with Gary Mayer" https://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/tutorials/fundamentals-of-perspective-1
I just found those videos kind of boring and useless, it feels like I am learning math rather than drawing.

[Anonymous No.2797842]

>>2797838
:) just trolling. Yeah the first one. Also face feels kinda wonky

[Anonymous No.2797848]

How did I do. Ref from previous thread.

[Anonymous No.2797854]

Any critique? I'm going through fun with a pencil, drew this to better understand the construction technique.

[Anonymous No.2797858]

>>2797854
its symbolic
3D SPACE
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S
P
A
C
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[Anonymous No.2797860]

>>2797854
Your proportions are getting there but you are still deep in symbol drawing territory my friend.

[Anonymous No.2797861]

>>2797790
Is it okay to give up if the bitch is just ugly? It's like drawing the dude from mask.

[Anonymous No.2797863]

>>2797860
Could you explain why?

[Anonymous No.2797864]

>>2797777
Lmao

[Anonymous No.2797866]

>>2797848
Pretty good.

[Anonymous No.2797867]

>>2797861
Is the secret benis?

[Anonymous No.2797869]

>>2797867
She has the body of a teenage boy so

[Anonymous No.2797871]

>>2797819
Smaller file
>tfw when u resize ur image

[Anonymous No.2797873]

>>2797869

[Anonymous No.2797882]

>>2797815
The hair actually looks fine. Yeah, eyes need a different shape and need to be levelled. With the nose, try less lines and more blended values from light to dark. That's why the cheeks look better than the nose.

[Anonymous No.2797888]

Heys guys i'm trying to figure out a practice schedule for myself. I've been doing mostly perspective, and head anatomy for the last 3 weeks so i've been neglecting alot of fundamentals. Should i be practing each of my fundamentals every time i practice? help thanks....Also what do your practice schedules look like???

[Anonymous No.2797889]

>>2797888
I draw some shit, spend 20 minutes on anatomy or perspective, then draw more shit.

[Anonymous No.2797892]

>>2797888
Do warm up to related topic before venturing forth

[Anonymous No.2797898]

>>2797888
Do studies daily, draw whatever, if you encounter something you need to improve, study that.

[Anonymous No.2797904]

This is a dumb question but what is the purpose of master study?

[Anonymous No.2797908]

>>2797863
Probably because you are thinking of the individual features as individual forms and haven't studied what they really look like.

[Anonymous No.2797911]

>>2797904
I've been told here that it's to try to learn from the great master's thought process. Why/where/how they make a certain brushstroke and etc. and analyze it. I personally don't think it'd be too beneficial for a beginner though. They'd benefit from studying from life for maybe a year or two.

[Anonymous No.2797913]

>>2797732
Diagnosis?

[Anonymous No.2797919]

rate pls :)

[Anonymous No.2797921]

>>2797919
yaoi/10

[Anonymous No.2797928]

>>2797908
so drawing from imagination without having studied anatomy for example is symbol drawing?

[Anonymous No.2797930]

>>2797904
It's the only shortcut that works.

All of >>2797911 plus you're analyzing how they tackle form and composition, use of values and color, line and so on and building a language to speak through. Normally you learn at least part of this through your own master and studying from life, so it doesn't hurt to copy some master sketches once you're halfway competent, but sitting down and going in depth with one artist is best saved for when you're already fully competent and can get the most out of it. You also want to spend that time finding one you really really fucking like because the idea is to learn them inside-out and meet or exceed their works with your studies before you move on and prance around from artist to artist like a whore.

[Anonymous No.2797943]

>>2797919
I still touch myself at night to snakemen when he was a grill

[Anonymous No.2797945]

Got a book for christmas and my conscience is making me do the exercises, yay!

chapter 1: master studies

[Anonymous No.2797947]

>>2797945
refaroni

[Anonymous No.2797953]

>>2797928
Exactly! You have to understand the forms and how they interact and overlap. Otherwise you just look like you're gluing random cutout eyes onto a mannequin... Or something. They won't be convincing.

[Anonymous No.2797954]

Lol

[Anonymous No.2797956]

why do so few anons read the OP?

[Anonymous No.2797960]

>>2797956
check out golden boy over here

[Anonymous No.2797967]

>>2797956
those types of people stop drawing after two weeks anyway

[Anonymous No.2797971]

>>2797945
i'm confused. Is it a study because you copied it?

[Anonymous No.2797975]

>>2797913
The eyes could use some more detailing I think. It's obviously a stylized approach, and it is an appealing style, but if you went for realism all the facial features are too big and too close together.

I'm not the best at critiquing, but I didn't wanna see this one get passed by. It's good, keep practicing!

[Anonymous No.2797977]

>>2797971
I am a mere beginner, but I thought it was a study because I tried to mentalize the shapes and forms as I drew them.

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[Anonymous No.2798016]

I never got help in the last thread.
>>2797041
Please help.

[Anonymous No.2798017]

>>2797977
I think the purpose of a study isn't to replicate a picture but to focus on a specific aspect of it or on a specific technique that is being used. For example you could do a study on anatomy for the picture you chose and focus in on the positioning and functions of the muscles of the arm in the human body.

[Anonymous No.2798024]

What am I doing wrong?
If I go fast I miss the line by a mile.
And if I go slow I get shakeylines.

Wat do I do

[Anonymous No.2798026]

>>2798024
I don't know goldilocks.

[Anonymous No.2798027]

>>2798017
Okay, I'll keep that in mind. thanks for pointing this out.

[Anonymous No.2798039]

>>2798027
no problem
here's a good channel to watch for anatomy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClM2LuQ1q5WEc23462tQzBg

[Anonymous No.2798042]

>>2797790
hey nick. you're not gonna get gud.
lmao

[Anonymous No.2798072]

>>2798016
Anyone? Please help me.

[Anonymous No.2798074]

>>2798072
Take you pencil and measure, find where things line up along verticals and horizontals, figure out how many heads long different things are. Or just eyeball it.

[Anonymous No.2798078]

>>2797975
Thank you, I'm happy it was obvious it was styalized and not just plain bad. I should measure a little more next time. If I let that get out of hand I'll lose the likeness.

>>2798012
I can't stop laughing at this... Why...

[Anonymous No.2798087]

>>2798024
You fucking practice. This is the only answer. There are no shortcuts to anything. Stop trying to get around doing the work.

[Anonymous No.2798094]

>>2798087
I am working as much as I can on it!
Been at it work weeks with stright lines.
Circles, elipses. Deifferent shapes etc.

So I don't know if I'm doing shit wrong by this point,
or I am just still so far off in practice to get a smooth line for the shape I want to trace.

[Anonymous No.2798109]

>>2798094
Too be fair getting smooth lines in digital can be a bitch if you're being slow and careful about it. Either invest in a line stabilizer or use the old ctrl+z trick and keep doing it fast until you get a decent line.

[Anonymous No.2798120]

>do the hand drawing exercise in Betty Edward's symbols drawing book
>it comes out looking like an actual hand
It has some issues like a lack of shading. But it looks like a hand none the less.

Can't belive I drew it, last week I was drawing stick figure levels of bad.

[Anonymous No.2798129]

>>2798094
i feel like you're not ghosting it

[Anonymous No.2798130]

>>2798012
the shoulder on the left. why does the clavicle do that or did you simply decide not to erase?

[Anonymous No.2798131]

>>2798109
I for some odd reason honest to god think that line stabilizer is a tool to use to hide your mistakes, instead of presenting them to you.
>>2798129
What do you mean friendo?

[Anonymous No.2798148]

Any feedback dudes?

[Anonymous No.2798151]

>>2798148
Uploaded the big image, sorry

[Anonymous No.2798163]

>>2798131
Meh. I thought the same thing. After extensive tests with traditional tools I've determined that getting clean lines in digital is just annoying as heck. I mean I can get the right line nice and smooth in my sketch book but have to repeatedly do the same line on my tablet. If I go slowly to be careful. Jagged. The only answer is speed and that means sacrificing accuracy. Which results in wasted time and time is money. If you can't do the lines traditionally either tho.... Eeeeh you might just need more practice.

[Anonymous No.2798167]

Is there an IRC or something for straight up noobs? I'd like to have some direct contact with some people before I end up doing something harmful to myself or others.

[Anonymous No.2798178]

>>2797873
This fucking thread

[Anonymous No.2798180]

>>2798167
Make one.

[Anonymous No.2798185]

>>2798180
I doubt anyone would join me. I'd prefer a Discord room or something.
There's got to be something already established.

[Anonymous No.2798206]

>>2798163
Thanks friendo
comforting me that I am not a lost soul

[Anonymous No.2798240]

>>2797732
Very beginner here, tried my hand at that
Shadows are a mistake, why are shadows allowed?

[Anonymous No.2798242]

fuck how do you manage the tiny details when zoomed out?

i always confuse myself and psych myself out.

is it just spending more time on it?

[Anonymous No.2798252]

>>2798240
Actually not too bad, you have an eye for shape and relation. Spend some more time on the line work and it'll clean up nicely. I'd recommend working on learning how to suggest lines with value rather than lines themselves if you want it to look more realistic. Remember, shadows are your friends, they give drawings a 3D appearance. Learn to love and use them, and they'll be a great help.

[Anonymous No.2798268]

>>2798185
I'm too normie for irc.

Btw. Complete "so newbie I never even doodled in math class" here. I want to get into land/seascape. Should I still sart with Loomis or is there something more suitable to my goals?

[Anonymous No.2798271]

>>2798268
Do you think learning about anatomy will help you in developing appealing and fundamentally sound landscapes?

[Anonymous No.2798273]

fuck this piece of shit hobby
I can't do these exercises.

[Anonymous No.2798276]

>>2798271
No, but I haven't read Loomis so maybe there would be something useful to me in there.

Do you have a recommendation for anything better, or do you just jump all over any opportunity that allows you to feel smug for a couple of seconds?

[Anonymous No.2798277]

I was doing some of the stuff for that dynamic bible art book, how does this look?

[Anonymous No.2798287]

>>2798276
I haven't studied landscapes that much, but studying Da Vinci's notebooks and drawings on nature and landscapes is really helpful, he has a ton of great observations. Van Gogh's landscape sketches are really interesting too. Basically find a landscape painter you like and copy their sketches and construction.

[Anonymous No.2798289]

>>2798287
>Da Vinci
the hero we need

>Loomis
the hero we deserve

[Anonymous No.2798314]

>>2798252
Thanks for the tips. Literally took me like 10 minutes just to start because I couldn't decide on where to begin. Ended up starting with the nose, but I feel like that was a mistake because the face was wider than it should have been. Probably should have started with the the head outline.

[Anonymous No.2798318]

>>2798287
Tfw your favourite artist has next to no sketches

[Anonymous No.2798320]

>>2797732
New Year's resolution is to be able to somewhat passable portrait sketches by the end of 2018. Guess we'll see how that goes.

[Anonymous No.2798335]

Does this boi look like an alien?

[Anonymous No.2798340]

>>2798335
What's the point of drawing so small (and for some reason resizing so small as well)?

[Anonymous No.2798345]

>>2798340
*Smaller margin for errors
*Conserves paper
*Faster

[Anonymous No.2798347]

>>2798345
Sorry though; I promise to draw larger in future

[Anonymous No.2798350]

>>2798347
I like your use OF ABSOLUTE PURE BLACK WHEN THE VALUES NEAR THE VANISHING POINT! THAT'S A GREAT COMPOSITIONAL CHOICE! >:(

[Anonymous No.2798355]

i want to push more detail and use more realistic colors but i sort of like its simplicity as it

[Anonymous No.2798378]

>>2798355
nice fountain eric

[Anonymous No.2798381]

Hijabs are fun to draw!

[Anonymous No.2798383]

>>2798378
thanks ive opted to actually put some work into this

[Anonymous No.2798402]

Feedback?

[Anonymous No.2798432]

>>2797702
I already read that dude, it's the same problem I mentioned before, I try to look at what I'm drawing while drawing it, but it just comes out fucked because I'm not looking at what I'm doing. Even if I briefly look at the paper to keep track of the lines.
Unless I simply didn't understand jack shit of what the book was trying to teach me. I hate this feeling it's like I'm too stupid to get it.

[Anonymous No.2798508]

>>2798335
Does this boi look like an alien or a human? I'm avid to know but no response yet. I know there's not an imperative to reply to everything but I would like to know so I'll include that question in this box of words

[Anonymous No.2798541]

>>2798508
Get tested for schizophrenia.

[Anonymous No.2798564]

>>2798508
You're either mentally ill like >>2798541 said or you're being very cringe pseudo deep and artsy. Either way stop it lol

[Anonymous No.2798587]

>>2798564
How do I become suitably normal?

[Anonymous No.2798598]

>>2798587
I mean: I might be mentally ill. The content I draw from imagination alone always disturbs me quite a bit, and I've never finished a drawing. I'm not sure if a short concentration span counts as a mental illness though.

[Anonymous No.2798623]

>>2797749
This was really hard!

[Anonymous No.2798624]

>>2798623
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.2798625]

Redid some of Loomis faces, will do some female and old people's faces and then move on to proportions of the body I guess.

[Anonymous No.2798627]

>>2798625
Sorry, forgot to resize this img.

[Anonymous No.2798629]

>>2798598
>>2798587
Stop being such a faggot. That's the answer.

Fucking edge lord 15 year olds I swear to god.

[Anonymous No.2798633]

>>2798598
I'm a licensed psychologist and I can tell from this post that you are a type beta faggot

[Anonymous No.2798634]

>>2798623
>>2798624
good job man.

[Anonymous No.2798654]

>>2798629
>>2798633
Am I still allowed to post the daily exercises I do on this thread? I know you're very angry but will you at least hate me in a constructive way?

[Anonymous No.2798662]

>>2798634
Thanks

[Anonymous No.2798667]

What's the best way / tools to color in Krita? I'm genuinely lost when it comes to this stuff

[Anonymous No.2798671]

>>2797745
>>2797748
>>2797749

[Anonymous No.2798672]

>>2798671

[Anonymous No.2798673]

>>2798671
>Gay sex with hats on
keked.
Also, clip your nails faggot.

[Anonymous No.2798686]

A woman now

[Anonymous No.2798690]

>>2798686
Ok I notice some errors at the top of her skull and hair.

[Anonymous No.2798720]

Did not really feel like drawing today, so I mostly ended up doing basic How to draw exercises.

>>2797500
Yeah, you are right anon, I need to free hand more. Thank you for the feedback my man.


Happy new year /beg/.

[Anonymous No.2798729]

Gonna start the new year with practicing 3D forms with exercises like these for a week or two:

https://youtu.be/JHefdroQdDo

Need a better handle of 3D forms before I get back to shading such things. Hoping for the best.

[Anonymous No.2798731]

I've drew this for my gf.... so, she was ashamed

[Anonymous No.2798737]

>>2798731
She's 60?

[Anonymous No.2798738]

>>2798737
just 16 :DDDDD

[Anonymous No.2798757]

>>2798738

[Anonymous No.2798774]

Just a random thought. But does anybody else look at art that is just without a doubt bad in many ways(either values, forms, anatomy etc.) and you can feel it shaping your ideas of how those things are supposed to work. I ursually close the window immediately. Its a strange feeling that happens once in a while. I will just feel like it's altering my brain or some shit.

[Anonymous No.2798776]

I feel like an absolute tard because I just don't seem to be getting how to use the pencil to measure proportion. So you use the tip of your pencil and your thumb to measure an arm or something, then put that up against, say, the leg and say the leg is x amount of arms.

The problem I'm having with that is how the hell do I transfer that to my drawing? Since it's not a 1:1 for the scale of the thing I'm referencing I'm having issues seeing as to how to use it.

[Anonymous No.2798777]

>>2798320
you are getting there m9 and i especially love the subtle form of the hair.

[Anonymous No.2798779]

>>2798402
>stiff.
What exactly is doing? smelling the air? admiring his muscles.


G E S T U R E
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[Anonymous No.2798781]

>>2798627
>>2798625

i don't think you understand the concepts that loomis is trying to teach you.
This is evident in the fact that you've only done 2 general directions, but they all look flat, even if you've outlined some of the features.

The head is a sphere, not a circle. try different angles and post again.

[Anonymous No.2798782]

>>2798720

The buildings (not the blue/red color coded ones from the Olson lesson) you did are very nice. God damn.

[Anonymous No.2798784]

>>2798776

2017 and still don't know how to use google?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

[Anonymous No.2798785]

>>2798776
>what is prspective

[Anonymous No.2798786]

>>2798776

When you use the tip of your pencil to measure something, that is your scale.

Meaning... For fun's sake, the eraser tip of your pencil were to equal a head. You would hold your pencil closer or further from your eye until it correlated to the object or person you're scaling. When you go back to your drawing, you have a reliable form of measurement right in your hand. That eraser tip will equal a head on your page, and then you can use that eraser tip to judge the size of anything.

It's really simple. Maybe you're having a problem visualizing it or applying it? It's like when an inch = 1 foot.

[Anonymous No.2798787]

>>2798779
Not that guy but it looks like he's controlling those flying swords...

[Anonymous No.2798791]

>>2798787
That's the obvious assumption, but the pose of the figure would lead me to believe otherwise.

[Anonymous No.2798801]

>>2798781
Dude... I literally copied the drawings from the book, if you're saying they are flat, then Loomis drawings are flat and he has no sense of his own concepts too lmao.

I'm not trying to be a dick, I appreciate and agree with most of the critique I get here.

[Anonymous No.2798804]

>>2798801
the purpose isn't to simply copy. i'ts to construct.

[Anonymous No.2798806]

>>2798786
Thanks for explaining it. I've always had issues with visualizing stuff like 1 inch = 1 foot...

[Anonymous No.2798808]

>>2798779
>>2798791
Well, I was trying to make him look smug on the battlefield with psychic powers and whatnot. But yes I'd agreed it's a stiff pose. I just used a generic pose since I was practicing anatomy and hands.

[Anonymous No.2798811]

>>2798804
Except to learn to construct the book literally tells you to copy some of the drawings first and then move on and create your own after reading.

Kill yourself. You've never even read the book and I'm not even the anon you were talking to.

Die.

[Anonymous No.2798812]

>>2798782
Thank you my man. Kinda blew my mind how much you can, achieved with just 1 point perspective and a bit of scaling. Really makes me excited to continue Olson's course.

Hope you have a happy new year and get mad gains on 2017.

[Anonymous No.2798813]

>>2798804
I know, but isn't the exercise of copying a master's work something to help you grasp the concepts?

I'll try 20 heads in different positions and post later, thanks for taking your time to help me anon.

[Anonymous No.2798815]

>>2798811
You don't need to be so rude anon haha.

[Anonymous No.2798816]

>>2798811
>never gonna make it.

>>2798813
you are absolutely right, but if you simply copy without understanding then it will do you know good. when you construct the head, you must picture it as a sphere with define planes as the features.
Don't listen to this guy>>2798811
. His mother never raised him right and he probably dwells in a basement patting himself on the back after drawing stick figures

[Anonymous No.2798826]

>>2798808
At first glace his lower legs are too short. Maybe extend below the calf because he looks clowny right now (at least in my eyes).

[Anonymous No.2798831]

>>2798808
Try to plant the feet to the ground, they look kinda floating around a bit.

[Anonymous No.2798840]

>>2798826
oh you're right it does look a little short below the calf, thanks. I also feel the torso is a bit small but I'm not sure

>>2798831
yeah, I still have difficulties with that. Feet are my weakness hence no toes. I'll have to study and practice feet more.

[Anonymous No.2798842]

>>2798831

Definitely this. I think it's because the feet don't have a little bit of the squish you'd get from the weight of the figure and gravity that makes it look like he's floating.

Then again, the mother fucker's apparently mentally adept so he could be... But then they'd have to be pointing downward from gravity.

Whatever. You know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.2798858]

>>2797732

[Anonymous No.2798860]

Can someone give a newfag advice on how to practice better?
Pic related of my practice.
I put a timer for 5 minutes, and trace the same shape over and over until it's up.
My shoulder hurt like shit as I focus on only drawing from that.

Am I doing this right or am I destroying myself for no reason?

[Anonymous No.2798864]

>>2798860
Sometimes /ic/ can be really cute.

[Anonymous No.2798866]

>>2798860
Drawabox Lesson 1 do it on paper or digital. Up to you.

[Anonymous No.2798870]

>>2798860
holy shit dude, rotate your page. find the most comfortable motion to draw a straight line and then practice that. for me it's about 45* moving outward.

[Anonymous No.2798872]

>>2798864
I'm not cute you cuntflap, I'm ruthless you see!
>>2798866
Will do butt buddy.
>>2798870
My easiest line is 45* upwards to the right, can get an almost perfect line doing that.
But I want all positions to have at least a decent line.

[Anonymous No.2798899]

>>2795609
I'm bad at drawing and I feel bad about it

[Anonymous No.2798900]

>>2798432
Show ur work

[Anonymous No.2798904]

>>2798899
spend more than 5 minutes next time

[Anonymous No.2798913]

>>2798860
good lines on digital are rough desu. if its a smaller tablet even more so. i would recommend starting with traditional.

[Anonymous No.2798925]

>>2798904
I spent over 20 minutes on it. it took me a lot of time to get the proportions measured out and not too off.

[Anonymous No.2798940]

>>2798925
>tfw also spend a shit load of time measuring
They don't think it be like that but it do
>>2789628

[Anonymous No.2798952]

just made this for people. i think some might benefit from a handy infographic.
work in progress, feel free to add or change things.

[Anonymous No.2798954]

>>2798858
Did you just get close and start copying and detailing the features? If you do Don't get close in too early. Draw lines and estimate the features positions. Draw lightly and erase as need. Take your time with measuring also I suggest learning the standard proportion of the human features.

Memorizing this is not hard and it'll help you out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYjpkg6vrlg

[Anonymous No.2798955]

>>2798952
in no form should anybody who belongs in this thread make a tutorial

[Anonymous No.2798956]

>>2798955
its better than nothing (most people dont read the sticky), and i think its fine to point out the more helpful things that experienced people have done.

[Anonymous No.2798961]

>>2798952

IMHO and I know I'll get shit talked for this but I think especially today given our vast knowledge, books, videos and tools handy, an introductory set of art courses should include either traditional sculpture (water-based clay?) or digital via using mudbox/zbrush that covers human anatomy from bone to muscle.

I'm personally partial to the theory that we learn best using our hands first and foremost but I understand sculpture classes don't scale all that well en masse.

Still, you're looking at a handful of weeks, once, maybe twice a week for a few hours of learning about porportions and sculpture. I think it's invaluable.

This would eliminate the confusion in things like "thinking in 3d", "thinking in form", "think in volume", "think construction" et cetera which all really mean the same thing.

[Anonymous No.2798962]

>>2798961
What are some good things to begin sculpting in Zbrush to understand form? Something simple is what I'm getting at. But what is simple?

[Anonymous No.2798964]

>>2798955

critique the tut then.

[Anonymous No.2798973]

>>2798962

I think it's better to focus on having an approach that you can use on both simple and complex things rather than necessarily focus on simple examples.

You want to approach sculpture in terms of big form modeling, focusing on the largest form first and then repeatedly looking for the next largest form within this big form, while along the way establishing the important landmarks of what you're trying to sculpt.

When you get into ecorche there's a tendency to staple individual anatomical elements on top of each other but nevermind that for now.

If you're completely new to digital sculpting, you can either take a class or run through series of online tutorials starting from how to use it to more defined aspects like "How do I sculpt the human face".

If you pursue human anatomy as I'm sure most want to do, do read up a handful beforehand on human proportions, bone structure, big muscle groups and how they all sit together and memorize it. Do some sketches to reinforce it. Otherwise, you won't know what you're doing regardless of approach or tools at disposal.

[Anonymous No.2798981]

>>2798973

Gnomon for example has stuff like:

https://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/tutorials/introduction-to-zbrush-4r7

https://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/tutorials/digital-sculpting-and-anatomy

To reinforce your learning once you go through this, go through it again on your own without looking at the tutorial to make it stick better.

And then practice with variations and look at various objects and try to sculpt them.

[Anonymous No.2799025]

Is it worth using different pencils for constructions, lines?
Should it just be lighter or a different colour?

[Anonymous No.2799036]

>>2799025
Couldn't hurt. I always work from red to blue to black. You should always try to keep initial lines light but color is a lot more forgiving. Harder to erase but easier to distract from.

[Anonymous No.2799041]

>>2797737

[Anonymous No.2799044]

>>2799041
oops

[Anonymous No.2799057]

>>2799044
This is good! How long did this take you?

[Anonymous No.2799059]

>>2799057
an hour or two maybe? wasn't really paying attention

[Anonymous No.2799073]

i noticed when i start a painting i end up croping the canvas to change the dimensions to adjust for how well the idea will read. is this bad?

[Anonymous No.2799080]

>>2798381
>>2798402
Line weighting is pretty bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zl5NnEAyU Watch this a few times, should help.

[Anonymous No.2799097]

>>2799080
line weight is really advanced. not /beg/ stuff. better focusing on more immediate things now i think

[Anonymous No.2799098]

>>2799097
Maybe, but the sooner you start keeping it in mind the sooner your drawings will be more legible.

[Anonymous No.2799120]

>>2797734
Wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be. Spent more time procrastinating and being anxious about drawing today than I spent on this

[Anonymous No.2799135]

I would appreciate redlining or a general new asshole tearing. Just fuck my shit up please thank you. I feel like I'm getting really good with faces but everything else doesn't translate the way I want.

[Anonymous No.2799148]

is pic related any good? I've heard conflicting opinions.

[Anonymous No.2799153]

>>2798954
thanks for the advice, I've recently started reading Loomis. I'll start taking more time measuring.

[Anonymous No.2799163]

>>2799059
pretty slow m8.
this should be ten fifteen minutes tops

[Anonymous No.2799165]

>>2799135

I think you might need to hit the anatomy books for a while. Also try and find image refs of the pose or angle you plan on using

[Anonymous No.2799175]

This is the best head I've ever made from imagination.

It's weird because I've never really made any head studies aside from the skull structure, but it looks like a head even though there's no real knowledge of facial features in here.

[Anonymous No.2799177]

>>2799175
It can be done better my friendo.

Spend more time studying the face.
And more practice.

Do that and it looks like someone might make it.

[Anonymous No.2799178]

>>2799177
You're certainly right about that.
I want to learn more about the head and how to draw it, but I'm obsessed with the human figure.

[Anonymous No.2799181]

>>2799175

Really good head, anon, I like the ear especially it's all there, my one criticism is with the nose, the position of the nostril and the size itself is incongruous with how the positioning of the face suggests it is looking down. Make the right eye a little bigger too.

[Anonymous No.2799194]

>>2799175
The actual head is pretty good but you should definitely study the individual features.
It probably wouldn't take that long for you to be able to draw some decent faces.

[Anonymous No.2799211]

>>2799175
>are you a real villain?

[Anonymous No.2799248]

any way to fix this before i add values?

[Anonymous No.2799250]

>>2799248
here's the ref

[Anonymous No.2799287]

I intend to master perspective, then do bustos and loomis.

I really dont wanna learn anything without getting super good at perspective because I want do do it perfectly like breathing. I dont want to settle for deviant art commisions perspective.

[Anonymous No.2799291]

Some poses

[Anonymous No.2799308]

How to fix?

[Anonymous No.2799317]

>>2799308
oh cool, you're doing a comic too

[Anonymous No.2799318]

>>2799287
Good plan. Go read some Scott Robertson.

[Anonymous No.2799326]

My progress has been very slow the past few years. I hope I actually get decent gains this time around. If I don't, I'll be devastated.

[Anonymous No.2799339]

>>2797861
Oh, man, you're killing me

[Anonymous No.2799354]

>>2799317
>)
Is that Spiderman hitting some tiki statue?

[Anonymous No.2799359]

>>2799326
Are you applying yourself?

[Anonymous No.2799378]

I tried to render a face and drew it a bit larger than normal! Very smushed

[Anonymous No.2799403]

>>2797732
K-kill me

[Anonymous No.2799435]

Here are my drawing for week 1 of power painters

[Anonymous No.2799436]

>>2799435

[Anonymous No.2799437]

>>2799436

[Anonymous No.2799439]

>>2799435

[Anonymous No.2799448]

>>2797945
Your values are good but pay attention to your lines, his head isn't tilted that far forward.

[Anonymous No.2799453]

Line extension

>>2797745

[Anonymous No.2799500]

i tried to sketch my dog. is there hope for me?

[Anonymous No.2799517]

The mirrored one (on the left) in that 1st figure seems kinda big. I've tried to visualize it in my brain and in blender, and in that 2nd one it looked different a little. I'm not sure where have I made a mistake?


(Source of this excercise: Scott Robertson and Thomas Bertling "How to Draw".)

[Anonymous No.2799540]

I think I'm starting to get a hang of drawing..?

I mean, I don't go to my karate classes expecting anything desu, I just go there, exercise, do my best and improve, other people see my improvement whereas I'm always thinking I'm the same.

Maybe its a bit the same with art? I mean, right now I'm getting tutorials from 38472894 places and improving various things, but its not like I'm not improving, I just won't be getting to a perfect stage in a short time span, so as in karate I should just love the process and keep getting better, I mean I do this as a hobby I don't have a time limit in which I need to be the best if not I'll starve...

T-Thanks for reading my blog.

[Anonymous No.2799548]

I feel like I just get worse and worse the longer I keep drawing.

Pic related - spoons that progressively got worse.

[Anonymous No.2799563]

Referenced sketches I made.
I mostly focused on clothes and shading.

[Anonymous No.2799576]

>>2799403
ay mang, at least you got the crazy eyes down.

[Anonymous No.2799577]

[Anonymous No.2799586]

>>2799563
blog?

[Anonymous No.2799604]

Everyone is telling me Im am supossed to work with boxes when drawing humans, yet I don't get it.
How to you go from Box, to putting anatomy into it

[Anonymous No.2799613]

>>2799308
I love the way he captured his own horrible crooked penis.

[Anonymous No.2799615]

>>2799604
Start by drawing basic things like chairs, books and old cars using boxes and cylinders.
Try to visualise points where your lines start and end on surface of the box.
Learn how to extrude and cut shapes.
Also drawing basic perspective grid helps a lot.

[Anonymous No.2799637]

I'm reading through and watching Michael Hamptons Figure Drawing stuff and I'm struggling.
Am I supposed to be trying to draw the gesture of the spine and limbs, then attach basic forms to the spine for the head, ribcage and pelvis?

>>2799613
I thought he confirmed that he just traced it.

[Anonymous No.2799646]

>>2799577
Should I not use a Fineliner to indicate values at this stage and use a pencil instead?

[Anonymous No.2799705]

>>2799637

Yes and no. Read through the beginnings of Vilppu's book too and compare/contrast what they're asking you to do.

Hampton's second video in his basic anatomy series is where he starts to apply actual landmarks, ribcage, and hips to the whole ordeal. I believe. I could be wrong.

If I am, I apologize.

But the point I'm getting at is that you're initially supposed to work through the rough of gesture to give you an idea of the form and how it moves. From there you'll begin to integrate the actual forms to flesh out the gestured figures more.

Hampton's easing you in real gentle like. Vilppu's section after the initial explanation of gesture is pulling you into rounded, soft forms and then basic geometrics towards construction. They compliment one another in this regard.

[Anonymous No.2799716]

I struggle with drawing people in perspective if they're doing anything other then standing straight up.
Are there any good tutorials or books on drawing characters in perspective while doing more dynamic poses?

[Anonymous No.2799718]

>>2799148
Pls response

[Anonymous No.2799739]

>>2799716
Drawing animals helped me draw people better. Drawing people can be really discouraging since if they aren't perfect then you will notice immediately. Try looking through "The Art of Drawing Animals" by Ken Hultgren. Copy drawings from the books then construct your own drawings.

[Anonymous No.2799743]

>>2799716
It's all just shapes in perspective innit?

[Anonymous No.2799759]

>>2799716

Then the issue is that you either don't know perspective well, don't know how to draw people as well as you think, or both.

The solution isn't in a tutorial. Books cover the subject. If nothing else, basic perspective and constructing the figures through logical boxes, cylinders, and understanding of how they connect to one another and project into space will be the remedy.

Proko has a video on mannequinization that can help you break down the body into basic forms and shapes.

Then all you need to be able to do is draw those forms in space.

Gesture will also help you out, but only as a supplemental in this regard. Really, the only way to tackle the problems you have are to go at them directly.

[Anonymous No.2799760]

>>2799175
NOW LOOK AT THIS NET

[Anonymous No.2799764]

This is the first head I ever rendered from imagination.
Would appreciate a critique.

[Anonymous No.2799770]

Haven't drawn realism lately, no ref used.

[Anonymous No.2799780]

First time ever using a tablet, the blindfold is because I messed up the eyes.

[Anonymous No.2799786]

>>2799780
sell your tablet, grind traditional for a year, then do digital.

alternatively loomis

[Anonymous No.2799791]

is this a good head construction?

[Anonymous No.2799792]

>>2799791
Ooooh! Round the cranial mass a bit more and work on constructing lips; other than that it looks quite impressively 3d for portrait view

[Anonymous No.2799816]

>>2799792
fixed it a bit

[Anonymous No.2799822]

Does this boi look like a human?

[Anonymous No.2799823]

>>2799822
Everything in this thread looks like a human because of our eyes' ability to innately recognize things no matter how vague they are.

Until you start uploading clearer photos it's always going to be hard to get the critique you want.

[Anonymous No.2799827]

>>2799823
Should I Photocopy?

[Anonymous No.2799831]

>>2799822
Talk like an adult with an adult job interacting with other adults. You aren't communicating clearly.

[Anonymous No.2799839]

>>2799831
I should just use a typical artistic lexicon, you're absolutely right. I'm sorry for communicating in such a childish manner and I'll stop now

[Anonymous No.2799844]

>>2799764
anyone?

[Anonymous No.2799849]

>>2799844
People see it. They just aren't saying anything. I said this last thread. You're in the position where you aren't beginner enough to give the general critique out (read the sticky, stop symbol drawing, etc) but not good enough to leave /beg/. Since we rarely get people from /draw/ or /anime/ in here you have to fend for yourself.

I do like your brushstrokes, although the values can be pushed more because it looks like a muddled mess when you squint your eyes.

[Alestes No.2799864]

Hit me with some unmerciful criticises.

[Anonymous No.2799875]

>>2799864
H-hes fat

[Anonymous No.2799879]

[Anonymous No.2799885]

>>2799864
pretty good. try exaggerating the foreshortening on the lower skull horn.
also the teeth are symbol drawn.
consider the light source a little more carefully.

[Anonymous No.2799896]

Drew some funny man today...

http://imgur.com/a/1schy

[Anonymous No.2799897]

>>2799896
GESTURE
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[Anonymous No.2799900]

>>2799897
What kind of retarded reply is this?

[Anonymous No.2799901]

>>2799897
I was going to tell him this too but it's obvious that he's trying to get a sense of how the body (parts) works in relation to one another right now. If for a fully completed figure it's still that stiff that's when you'd recommend Vilppu and all that shit.

[Anonymous No.2799903]

>>2799901
Its one of Loomis' exercises in the book Fun with a Pencil, to redraw some of his drawings.

From these funny man he will start giving them meat from then on.

[Anonymous No.2799917]

>>2797732
Very WIP, god knows I tried

[Anonymous No.2799919]

>>2797732
I tried my best and it's still crap. I don't like myself.

[Anonymous No.2799923]

>>2799919
try >>2798952

[Anonymous No.2799933]

>>2799917

RESIZE

[Anonymous No.2799983]

>>2797732
>>2797737

Fuck it...

[Anonymous No.2799993]

Would appreciate if anyone has like a tutorial or anything on how to draw hair.

[Anonymous No.2800010]

>>2799993
Jack Hamm -- Drawing the Head and Figure

[Anonymous No.2800015]

>tfw I will never make it

[Anonymous No.2800018]

>>2800015
Not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.2800023]

>>2799764
>>2799844

Here's a shitty paint over. I kinda fucked up the lips but yours are kinda small. They usually extend to around the middle of the eye ball. Aside from that I just cleaned up your strokes and tried to make them follow the form + emphasize some of the planes of the head. I also fucked up the eyes but yours are kinda droopy looking, I think that's cause the iris' don't line up in perspective maybe?

[Anonymous No.2800050]

>>2799993
>http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/04/hair-ribbon-secret.html

[Anonymous No.2800059]

>>2797738
extreme beginner here

[Anonymous No.2800075]

>>2799764
i kinda completely changed the facial structure, but hopefully you can still take some cues from it.

[Anonymous No.2800076]

Falling for the ZBrush meme, I got halfway through Keys to Drawing and decided to quit when he wanted me to draw a shadow and I figured working on measuring skills was more important. In a few months I'll post more work (or a link to my blog) so you can see if sculpting helps or not. I'll mainly be focusing on observational drawing and ZBrush but is there anything else I should focus on?

[Anonymous No.2800090]

Which do I delve in first, perspective or figure drawing?

[Anonymous No.2800091]

>>2797913
proportions of the face need fixing. you made him look more feminine than masculine, if that makes sense. i would try not to practice in a stylized fashion for this kind of exercise anon. but if i was just looking at this sketch alone without the reference, it looks really good. i do like your style too, don't get me wrong.

[Anonymous No.2800092]

>>2792728
ahhh I fucked this one up bad. I fucked up bad. sorry.

[Anonymous No.2800129]

>>2800119
>>2800119
>>2800119

>>2800119
>>2800119
>>2800119

[Anonymous No.2800167]

Posting on mobile so I can't resize, but I'd appreciate a critique on this star platinum page I've been working on

[Anonymous No.2800172]

still cannot draw handa and feet and all my drawings are chicken scratch shit. should i start learning anatomy and proportions or something else? also its really hard to draw consiqutive drawings of same characters.

[Anonymous No.2800346]

>>2799548
Take a break. Don't get tilted and burn out on it anon

[Alestes No.2800357]

>>2799875
Thats too much.

[Anonymous No.2800829]

this is more of a question, is there other great face construction methods, i like loomis i feel like the female and child face construction are lacking and i believe i could expand if knew other forms of construction.

image posted so i can get noticed by senpais

[Anonymous No.2800846]

>>2800829
Are you a super villain?