/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2737756]

Who /noprogress/ here? I have been drawing real people for a month now and my last art is pretty much on the same level as my first one. If not worse. Also Ive been drawing a lot of pictures 5 to 30 minutes.

Talent is not a fucking meme. Pic rel my last piece

[Anonymous No.2737769]

>>2737756
Draw simple forms and do perspective, you're trying to build a house without a foundation.

[Anonymous No.2737773]

>>2737756
>Talent is not a fucking meme. Pic rel my last piece
with people like you I tend to agree, but not on that you got no talent, you got no brain

fuck of crybaby, kill yourself, be a whore somewhere else

[Anonymous No.2737775]

>>2737769
I did drawabox lessons
>>2737773
kill yourself my brother

[Anonymous No.2737778]

>>2737756
>I have been drawing real people for a month now and my last art is pretty much on the same level as my first one. If not worse.
You're suppose to stop and think about what you drew between each. regardless of talent you should see an improvement because you used your brain to see what you were doing wrong from one drawing to the next. If you're not seeing improvement you must have been drawing mindlessly.

[Anonymous No.2737779]

>>2737775
>I did drawabox lessons
Kek

[Anonymous No.2737789]

>>2737775
Wait so just to clarify have you only used DrawABox?

[Anonymous No.2737793]

>>2737756
you need to hone a little of your observational skills first before jumping into construction drawing. start with keys to drawing instead.

[Anonymous No.2737801]

>>2737756
Honestly you're doing pretty great if all you've been using is DaB. In fact I'd even say you're talented.

Use Keys to Drawing, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and Fun With a Pencil. Perspective Made Easy is really good too.

[Anonymous No.2737804]

>>2737756
think
there are numerous ways to measure the differences between your drawing and your reference, and to see where your drawing is wrong. then you can correct those things and be more mindful about those things next time. there's no mystical talent to that.

[whoops No.2737806]

>>2737756
Sight-size practice.

[Anonymous No.2737810]

A few things, OP.

First, post an example of the start of the month. It's easy to lose sight of progress when you're frustrated.
Two, a month isn't a long time, significant progress takes years.
Three, take longer than 5 to 30 minutes before quitting. Recognize your mistakes and fix them. There's a place for quantity but there's also a place for quality and taking your time. Learn to self critique and be analytical, if you're just rushing out a drawing, going "its shit" and moving on without thinking about it you're wasting an opportunity to learn. Ask yourself what looks off, and ask yourself why you did it that way and how you can correct it. You're doing it digitally, it's easy as fuck to fix things.
Last, talent is real but blaming your lack of talent for your lack of progress is retarded. It's an awful attitude that will do you no favors. Your lack of talent just puts you on par with the majority, and absence of talent isn't absence of capability. Complaining you don't have talent is a shitty excuse.

[Anonymous No.2737822]

[Anonymous No.2737839]

>>2737756
change brush

[Anonymous No.2737845]

wasted one fucking month for drawing only people and I am not even better

can you imagine how im feeling now

[Anonymous No.2737848]

>>2737845
>wasted one fucking month for drawing only people and I am not even better

yea surely you must have no talent. Like, A WHOLE MONTH man. I've heard Sargent could draw after he flushed out of his mothers vagina. Sucks for you

[Anonymous No.2737849]

>>2737845
read a book your proportions are way off you piece of shit

[Anonymous No.2737858]

>>2737848
motherfucker i did ONLY THAT for a month, you would expect at least some progression

literally nothing

[Anonymous No.2737862]

>>2737775
> I did drawabox lessons
Base off the op pic I find that hard to believe

[Anonymous No.2737865]

>>2737858
yeah, you just drew
didn't analyze, didn't think
it's unsurprising you didn't progress

[Anonymous No.2737876]

>>2737858
a month is literally nothing,

[Anonymous No.2737880]

>>2737845

>wasted one month

Be honest, anon, how much of your month did you actually spend drawing. How much of your day each day?

Stop the self pity and consider that instead of the convenient "It's nothing wrong with my approach I just don't have talent" consider what you're doing every day and what you might do differently for better results.
What's your approach? Are you just repeating it hoping to get different results or are you experimenting? Did you consult any resources on how to draw portraits and consider their advice?

[Anonymous No.2737887]

>>2737880
2 hours per day. I was hoping that i'll get better at measuring distances just by drawing and thinking about mistakes I did. Nothing really changed.

[Anonymous No.2737889]

>>2737887
Art is slow. What else is new? It takes years to get better.

[Anonymous No.2737895]

>>2737889
what about anatomy, environment, color, lighting and other shit like that? It will take decades to become as skillful as someone who drew for 5 years.

[Anonymous No.2737910]

>spends all day getting ready to draw all day
>does this everyday
>been practicing """"""""""constantly""""""""""
>less than 30 hours spent every month learning about or practicing fundies

[Anonymous No.2737923]

>>2737895
>It will take decades to become as skillful as someone who drew for 5 years.

[Anonymous No.2737926]

>>2737923
it will take decades for me*

[Anonymous No.2737932]

>>2737887
>2 hours per day

[Anonymous No.2737937]

>>2737887
don't just think about your mistakes, fix them to a satisfactory amount

[Anonymous No.2737949]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7bZdKKXbIs

>he did that after 30 days

[Anonymous No.2737952]

>>2737910
Too real for me.

[Anonymous No.2737955]

>>2737910
D:

[Anonymous No.2737963]

>>2737756
>draw constantly for a couple of months
>burn out, get depressed, get bored, life gets in the way etc
>don't draw again for a month or two or three
>repeat for years
>I'm exactly as good as I was when I was 18, and I wasn't good then either

Eh, I won't make it. I've come to terms with that. But I've stepped it up. I want a taste, a taste of being great.

Not the best, not awe-inspiring, but a contender. I'll settle for that.

[Anonymous No.2737973]

motherfucker two hours a day is nothing, treat this shit like it's your job if you want to improve

[Anonymous No.2737974]

>>2737963
>commit mistake
>don't learn from it
>do it again
>expect change
You know how I know you're not trying as hard as you can, anon?

[Anonymous No.2737977]

>>2737974
>commit mistake
I wasn't taking it seriously. Honestly thought I'd be dead by 20 so there was no real point to it. Even when I was drawing constantly, it wasn't to git gud it was just autistic escapism.

Turns out hanging yourself hurts like a motherfucker so I guess I'm sticking around.

[Anonymous No.2737980]

>>2737977
If you are that much retarded that you cant even hang yourself properly, no wonder you cant draw. I'd say to kill yourself but there is no point.

[Anonymous No.2737984]

>>2737980
Pretty low tier bantz, man, you're pretty bad at reading people to get a reaction. Enjoy your day.

[Anonymous No.2737987]

>>2737984
I dont care about your reaction, i just responded to what you said. You are nothing to me and I dont care whether shit like you lives or not. I dont care if you draw or if you progress. You are nothing to me and to many people here. End yourself in a succesful way, fucking trash.

[Anonymous No.2738001]

>>2737977
:( I can relate, I hope you find something to make sticking around worthwhile. That became making art for me but it took time, until I felt confident enough to actually represent the things I come up with, and the process actually became enjoyable. I'm still kinda shit, but it's just a matter of putting in the mileage, eh?

[Anonymous No.2738006]

Don't listen to memers OP, for a month you did very terrible. As some other anon said, we have very little time and 1 month is for some a lot. To be honest I feel like you should draw at least decent drawings of people, it's still not your original work, you are copying. I don't know how to tell you but you aren't really suited for drawing, I mean you can try more but if nothing changes... just quit.

[Anonymous No.2738033]

probably the last thing done for today

I still hope that I can get at least decent enough to satisfy my urges to make beautiful paintings

[Anonymous No.2738034]

>>2738033
Holy shit, you're actually good.

[Anonymous No.2738035]

>>2738033
Try overlaying your sketch over the reference to see how close you got and resolve to pay attention to those areas next time. I hope you're flipping your canvas as well.

If you're going digital, you may as well use it to the fullest.

[Anonymous No.2738040]

>>2738035
>flipping your canvas
never did that to be honest, is it crucial?

[Anonymous No.2738041]

>>2738040
Yes, extremely.

Da Vinci pioneered it with his mirror technique. It's so good for adjusting your work to naturalism by forcing yourself to recognize symbol drawing on a minute scale, that you'd be a fool to not to use it.

Especially when working from imagination.

[Anonymous No.2738055]

>>2738033
You are not looking closely enough at the reference image. Notice how much of the forehead is showing compared to your drawing. For accurate proportions, use parts of the image to compare distances and sizes. For instance, the width of the nose is wider than the left eye socket, but narrower than the right eye socket.

Also, use straight lines to block in your drawing.
The pic kind of demonstrates this, but with birds. Pay attention to the angles.

[Anonymous No.2738057]

>>2737949
>mfw

[Anonymous No.2738060]

>>2738033
Take notice, you did a better here
Maybe it's more focus on a concentrated area that caused you to more carefully examine it and not get overwhelmed
I'm not sure

[Anonymous No.2738061]

>>2737756

Is it cheating to use horizontal ley lines when you do copies like this?

What is the value of being able to photo copy vs drawing from life? Don't you need to be able to do both anyway?

[Anonymous No.2738063]

>>2737963
>>2737974


You can't have grand expectations. You have to enjoy doing it! And that doesn't mean you have to beat yourself for everything that gets in the way!

There is a difference between the idea of being and artist, and actually being an artist. It is hard to live with that level of passion and dedication for any craft, but that is why it is worth it anyway.

What is the goal? Want to make historical paintings? Be a contemporary painter? Shade for some weeaboo's manga? Patreon billionaire? Just don't give up!

[Anonymous No.2738070]

Thanks for the tips guys, I will sure do my best tomorrow with trying to concentrate more on my work.

[Anonymous No.2738077]

>>2737775
>>2737756
>I did draw-a-box lessons

You obviously disrespectfully blew them through in an afternoon while understanding absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.2738101]

>>2738077
drawabox are simple as hell, you cant blow through them you uneducated fucking cretin

[Anonymous No.2738105]

>>2738057
It's not like he can draw Sargent-tier portraits now.
It does not matter how long you take to make it.
What matters is that you make it in the end.

[Anonymous No.2738111]

>>2738077
>>2738101
I don't think you guys are disagreeing here. I think you just misunderstood what he was trying to say.

Regardless, I'm trying right now to work through these drawabox lessons. I've been spending about 2 days on each section of each lesson, practicing and doing the homework sections each day as per instructions. Do you think that's sufficient time? Should I be spending more time on each one? Less?

I know it says not to try to digest all the lesson in one sitting so I'm trying to spread it out a bit without moving too slowly, but I'm a super noob so I'm not sure if my pacing on the lessons is correct.

[Anonymous No.2738113]

>>2738111
for reference I spend a couple hours (between 2 and 3) on the end of each night as well as some time in between classes and such during school hours doing these exercises/homeworks.

[Anonymous No.2738120]

>>2738111
>>2738113
You should be spending at least a week. Artists do work that takes weeks long even at beginner level. It's because the basics are the foundation that will be with you forever. You need to spend a long time to internalize and gain consistency.

[Anonymous No.2738124]

>>2738120
a week per section per lesson?
Like for lesson one: a week of line homework/exercises, a week of elipses, a week of boxes?
Or how should I break it up?

Just for clarification sake.

[Anonymous No.2738128]

>>2738124
Per lesson. It's structured like a class.

[Anonymous No.2738131]

>>2738128
so I should be practicing everything in a lesson everyday for a week before moving on to the next lesson?

[Anonymous No.2738137]

>>2737887
2 hours..... giqeiaeu<ghw<bgsrgyugwfvfwrbi (me furious hitting the poor key board)
You got what you work for it.

[Anonymous No.2738143]

>>2738137
2 hours for a month dude, its a lot

[Anonymous No.2738148]

>>2738111
drawabox lessons will not help you with observational drawings.
Observational practice needs to be done additionally. You really just need to learn how to see. There are some atelier techniques you can use for these drawings, like using a measuring stick.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

[Anonymous No.2738149]

>>2737756

Start with actual fundamentals my nigga

[Anonymous No.2738153]

>>2738148
well, as I said before, I'm a super noob.
I've never seriously attempted to do art before in my life. I mean I've doodled and shit in the past but never anything good.

So from what I understand from lurking here for a little bit now is that I need to get a good grasp of the super basics that will stick with me throughout the rest of my time drawing. So that's what I think I'm doing with drawabox, I'll move on to more complex images and composition and shit like that as time goes on and I find myself to be more capable or making significant progress with the fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.2738162]

>>2738149
like what? ive been told to draw and draw, but then you tell me to do something else... im confused

[Anonymous No.2738168]

>>2738131
Yes, and even after the lesson is over. Sometimes you may have to do it over again just to realize there's more to learn.

[Anonymous No.2738169]

>>2738162
This is better than the shit sticky. All the books are in the book thread with exception of sketch the basics but you can find that on google.

https://word-view.officeapps.live.com/wv/mWord.aspx?Fi=SDE06DB73ECC23E4EF!679&H=emul&C=5_810_BAY-SKY-WAC-WSHI&ui=en-US&rs=en-US&wde=odt&wdp=7&su=-2274960756411472657&ad=en-US&sc=host%3d&cy=canary&ak=t%3D0%26s%3D0%26v%3D%21AD8ifQUs5NTi40Y%26aid%3Dcee6dd22-7099-4ff5-b930-4de52468033e%26m%3Den-us&wdMobileHost=2

[Anonymous No.2738196]

>>2737756
come back in a year and post this shit again

[Anonymous No.2738200]

>>2738169
The sticky is fine.

The w/ic/i at least, the actual git gud guide is terrible.

[Anonymous No.2738554]

>>2737949
Well look at this.
I guess I will look into that Vitruvian course and get to read DotRSotB

>>2738057
Surely you can do it too. Especially if you are a NEET with more time on your hands than him. Although, putting more than 4 hours a day in drawing seems like a way to burn out to me

>>2738105
Yes but that amount of progress seems really good.

[Anonymous No.2738562]

>complaining about a month

You know it takes years right? Go look at other artist's pages and see the progression.

[Anonymous No.2738574]

>>2737756
>can't even draw an eye properly
>goes ahead to draw the entire thing

lol

[Anonymous No.2738581]

>>2738143
When I was 18 I used to draw 4 hour a day from the midnight and woke up and go to highschool until 9 pm, I was shit but that year and the next 2 following years I improve like a beast, from retarded animu to at least trying to draw something more appeling to the eyes. One of mine masters used to said that 4 hours its the minimum you must spend if you want to get a decent drawing skill, it´s all about the effort you put and the commitment.

[Anonymous No.2738604]

>>2737887
>2 hours per day
Of course nothing really changed.
On top of your tiny, comfortable work flow you probably didn't even stop to analyze what was going wrong with your drawings.

[Anonymous No.2738606]

>>2737949
Did you watch the video?

[Anonymous No.2738607]

>/ic/ scoffing at a beginner drawing for 2 hours a day

Probably better than 95.4% of /ic/.

[Anonymous No.2738609]

>>2738607
People scoffing at the beginner are doing so because they know it's stupid to expect progress by doing 2 hours a day without taking your time to analyse your mistakes.
I used to draw about 30h per weekend and never improved, because all I did was draw the same shit and not bother to look at what was going wrong.
That's literally the meme definition of insanity.

[Anonymous No.2738620]

>>2737775
Do them again and this time do them right.

[Anonymous No.2738622]

>>2737756
It's about time you stopped symbol drawing, don't you think?

[Anonymous No.2738628]

>>2738622
Bad proportions =! symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.2738640]

hey what u think, /ic/?

let me lube up my anus before you say.

[Anonymous No.2738653]

>>2738640
https://youtu.be/H658UgLa3_c?t=10
Rotate the image so people can see properly

[Anonymous No.2739456]

>>2737756
You should do still lifes from life. Lots of them.
Drawing from photos is hard, especialy without a strong understanding of form.

[Anonymous No.2739461]

>>2737756
Is this bait?
I honestly can't tell.

[Anonymous No.2739480]

>>2737756
>>2737775
IM NOT IMPROVING TALENT IS REAL I CANT IMPROVE I DONT HAVE THE SPARK

>only done a couple drawabox lessons

Dude your pic is so far off the mark. You have no regard for proportion, it's like you've just blindly drawn for an entire month without ever analysing or fixing your mistakes.

The head isn't even remotely the same shape as the guy you're drawing.

[Anonymous No.2739483]

>>2737801
do keys to drawing, working through the other books is just a waste of time. Perspective made easy is for after you've got some sort of base level of competence down

[Anonymous No.2739489]

>>2738041
are you supposed to flip only your drawing, or also the reference? also whats the shortcut in photoshop?

[Anonymous No.2739492]

>>2737756
>Talent is not a fucking meme

What's not a fucking meme is being a lazy faggot.
>a month.

[Anonymous No.2739494]

>>2737756
>>2739492
This. Not even Davinchi could draw decently after one month

[Anonymous No.2739503]

>>2739489
Just your canvas do the trick.
There isn't a default shortcut, but you can customize it.

[Anonymous No.2739943]

>>2737756
Spend 5-8 hours on a drawing instead, idiot. And observe what you're drawing. The guy to the left is a feminine cuckboi, you drew some russian feminist nazi that's leading the gay parade. Go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.2739947]

>>2739492
One of my favourite lines about talent is in Alla Prima.

Roughly "As for talent: just assume you have it and continue. Talent is something we ascribe to the successful after the fact."

[Anonymous No.2739948]

>>2739943
you go fuck yourself bitch boy

[Anonymous No.2739962]

can i make it now?

[Anonymous No.2739967]

>>2739962
You're not spending enough time actively looking at your reference, be patient and take your time trying to understand your ref.

[Anonymous No.2739969]

>>2739962
Slow down and render some values, niggaaaa

[Anonymous No.2739970]

>>2739962
Instead of jumping to different references use the same one and keep drawing it over and over till you get it right.

[Anonymous No.2739972]

>>2739967
I get what you are saying, I probably could waste another 30 min to make it better but whats the point? Every drawing can be fixed if you pour enough time into it but its useless if it doesnt make you improve.

What I learned (for me at least) is that I don't improve no matter how much tme i sink into one drawing, so I tend to do quantity > quality thing.

[Anonymous No.2739974]

>>2739972
You can get it wrong a thousand times, or get it right once and for all.

[Anonymous No.2739976]

I just dont know how to fix my mistakes, even if I know about their existence. I thought it really is about grinding, that you are closer with each drawing to perfection.

[Anonymous No.2739977]

>>2739962
First we start with the beginning, You need to understand the shape of the head you want to reproduce. First mistake (common of a newbie).
After that find the proportion of the eyebrows-nose-mouth. Once you get the nose in place then you place the ears. Now you ge it do the eyes, remember every person has his own shape.
The hair: well this is tricky but most people start with a block of the shape and then add details.
Now you got all the other thing in place you work in the details, every artist has to find his way into it. How do you draw all the information available is what you can call style.

Repeat it 100 times and you will be able to do it instinctively.
It´s not an easy way to be good but work harder each day, work hard it´s the truth talent. And stop been a whiney bitch.

[Anonymous No.2739978]

>>2739976
If you don't take the time to learn how to fix your mistakes, how will drawing and making those same mistakes over and over help you get closer to perfection? You won't miraculously start getting better if you don't put in the work. It's an active process. If there's a mistake, figure out what your problem is, and study to strengthen the area(s) you were weak in.

[Anonymous No.2739980]

>>2739977
>>2739978
Thanks, I'll look more into it.

[Anonymous No.2740046]

I actually did it, I started to pay attention to the lines and comparing their relation to each other and something clicked. I get it now.

I feel like it is a big improvement for me, because i was doing it wrong my whole life. Thanks lads, I owe you one.

[Anonymous No.2740067]

>>2739972
The point is that once you take your time to make one better you'll know what you had to do to make it better instead of going to another drawing and committing the same mistake.

[Anonymous No.2740152]

Not familiar with drawabox. Does it just teach how to symbol draw?


Cuz all this is beginner tier symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.2742822]

I have no idea how to capture the head correctly at the beginning, fuck this

[Anonymous No.2742827]

>>2742822
The problem with working in line is that the implied value changes are much harsher than you think.

That said, compared to the OP image this is a big improvement already. Would have a look at this, though.

http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com.au/2008/04/hair-ribbon-secret.html

I don't mean to IMPLY or SUBTLY STATE anything by linking that, I just mean to hint that your hair is fucking terrible.

[Anonymous No.2742835]

>>2737756
>30 minutes
do you think that's a long time to work on something?