/ic/ meta thread

[Anonymous No.2684829]

hiro asks for each board to have a single meta thread.
any complaints about moderation, culture etc goes here
i know you all got lots to whine about so please, let us hear em.

here we go

[Anonymous No.2684830]

split the board

[Anonymous No.2684832]

>>2684829
FLAGS AND IDS

[Anonymous No.2684837]

>>2684832

this

also ban all shad/sycra/irakli/kr0n etc threads

[Anonymous No.2684839]

hiro sama please make me a janitor

[Anonymous No.2684840]

>>2684829
ban generals and link sharing

[Anonymous No.2684845]

Oh God, PLEASE add thread IDs. /ic/ is in such desperate need of them, it's not even funny.

[Anonymous No.2684847]

thread in /qa/
>>>/qa/679941

[Anonymous No.2684851]

>>2684837
You can ignore those, I always do, and they do have their benefits. The real problems is with nonartists shitposting in critique threads, and hiding behind samefags.

[Anonymous No.2684856]

This is /qa/ of 2013 all over again and it's bound to ruin the board if the wrong suggestions are taken.

[Anonymous No.2684857]

>>2684856
Can't go wrong with flags and IDs.

[Anonymous No.2684858]

>>2684856
Id's are basically crucial for the survival of this board at this point, too many shitposting hiding behind samefagging

[Anonymous No.2684860]

Strawpoll for flags and id's
https://strawpoll.de/71ser72

[Anonymous No.2684862]

>>2684857

>flags
no, I can pretend to be a Jap in a second. It will bring upon just more ways to shitpost.
>IDs
Easily changeable with a number of tactics.

[Anonymous No.2684863]

>>2684857
Nah fuck flags, that's a way of getting even more of /pol/ and /int/ culture and shitposters in here.

[Anonymous No.2684864]

>>2684858
>too many shitposting hiding behind samefagging
The amount of samefagging is actually astounding on this board.

[Anonymous No.2684865]

>>2684864
Haha, you said it anon! Totally agree with you!

[Anonymous No.2684866]

>>2684864
samefagging definitely a problem... i don't use proper grammer and overuse of elipses that means im totally a different person...

[Anonymous No.2684868]

>>2684832
>>2684837
>>2684857
>>2684862
>>2684863

Don't forget to vote. IP locked btw
>>2684860

[Anonymous No.2684870]

>>2684866

Haha you said it Rebby boy.

[Anonymous No.2684885]

>>2684868
Flags are cancerous and kill the boards they are in

[Anonymous No.2684889]

>>2684860
>>2684868
>IP locked btw
And why, pray tell, do you think this will stop the samefags that people claim can so easily change their IP?

[Anonymous No.2684898]

/ic/ is alright, there's no need to change everything up. any attempts to do so would probably make things worse.

[Anonymous No.2684900]

>>2684860
I don't think we need flags but id's would help, even if just a bit.

[Anonymous No.2684901]

>>2684829
just filter the maldraw word into poop :^)

[Anonymous No.2684902]

>>2684885
someone said malaysia is in charge of 99% of the shitposts. dunno how the fuck does one guy that's permabanned here does that.

[Anonymous No.2684906]

4chan by design lacks accountability, trying to enforce it now feels futile. one of the big problems you run into on /ic/ that runs almost completely against the fundamental design of 4chan is that anyone who posts their work regularly is almost almost always instantly identifiable in much the same way as someone who uses a tripcode (and we all know how they get treated)

while ID's would be nice in concept and probably worth testing out (flags would serve absolutely no purpose) i worry the few die hard shitposters who seem to camp and derail the same threads and harass the same artists/posters over and over again could very easily get around them while also using the ID tags to track any posts by a certain artist/poster in a certain thread even when they aren't posting their work.

the ideal way to improve the board would be to have more active moderation who actually push and shape the board culture to be more constructive but /ic/ is so small and relatively slow that it's honestly not worth it in the grand scheme of things, especially considering that rampant, caustic shitposting seems to be the culture of the majority of 4chan in this day and age.

[Anonymous No.2684907]

>>2684840

Go fuck yourself.

>>2684845

Dis nigga got the scoop.

[Anonymous No.2684915]

>>2684907
reddit seems more like your cup of tea, my nigga.

[Anonymous No.2684920]

>>2684906
this

A good step is to have a more active mod (s). From there we can decide if certain issues require a stronger power

[Anonymous No.2684942]

let the shitposting and trolling be contained to generals. by making generals containment threads you can easily get a handle on endless new shit threads straining your servers.

Everyone comes to this board to get attention for thier ideas. Everyone is opinionated and stubborn. By letting them fight it out with one another in generals you can keep the shitposting and trolling out of the rest of the board. People only shitpost because they have beef with a particular anon. They'll fight it out and won't leave until it's done. making the rest of the board more productive.

Id's will only put a target on anons back, making it easier to stalk them and eventually dox them. I already doxed several people here and didn't need id's. Imagine how easy it would be to dox artists with questionable content if Ids were in place. And I really do hate those pedos. hint hint.

The point here is that the shitposting and trolling will never go away. It's part of 4chan culture. The best thing to do is to learn how to control it. And you can start by containing them to generals. Let them fight, you might get a show out of it.

[Anonymous No.2684944]

>>2684906
If they did this board the way 420chan does it (where everyone gets a random tripcode when they post for the day) it might cut down on some of the shitposting and nonhelpful critiques (Because seriously saying "it's shit" doesn't help someone improve. You can say it's shit while pointing out the flaws "arm looks broken, heads can't turn that way, etc" and that'll actually be helpful.

Let's face it if someone's looking for crits they probably know SOMETHING is wrong with it, but when you've been staring at a drawing for awhile it gets harder and harder to see it yourself.

[Anonymous No.2684945]

>>2684920
I agree on this. If we had some decent mods to clean up some of the shit posts (Or just janitors even?)

[Anonymous No.2684946]

>>2684942
>I already doxed several people here and didn't need id's
pfft

[Anonymous No.2684951]

>>2684946

300 confirmed kills anon, better not fuck with him

[Anonymous No.2684954]

>>2684942

>And I really do hate those pedos. hint hint.

I knew it. Show yourself.

[Anonymous No.2684956]

>>2684944
420chans id system is top tier and definitely cuts down on samefagging. It's slow enough that even if an 'elite' troll were to switch ips the rest of the board can easily sniff them out.

Do it Chinese moot, have trip codes assigned with no flags cause flags are super gay.

[Anonymous No.2684959]

>tfw diehard id fans keep pushing it on other boards
>tfw it kills the whole point of anonymity

[Anonymous No.2684963]

>>2684942
as we've learned from /b/ and /pol/ and countless other "containment" boards/threads/what have you, containment never contains, rather it attracts more shitposters who disseminate into the rest of the board/site from there (unless of course you very strictly enforce it, such as in /mlp/, but even then). plus leaving generals to rot will turn away any earnest new comers to the board who come expecting some kind of intentional organization of topics based upon what you see in the catalog

>>2684944
while i agree that ID's would help, the extent to which they'd be effective is something i worry about. if they'd have been in place since day one it'd have probably worked out, but now that you've got a handful (or however many) of very dedicated shitposters, what's the extra hassle in circumnavigating the ID system since they've already dedicated so much to junking up the board?

>>2684959
>>tfw diehard id fans keep pushing it on other boards
>>tfw it kills the whole point of anonymity

so does posting your art on this board unfortunately. like i said, /ic/ as a concept is very counter to 4chan's design, oddly enough

[Anonymous No.2684966]

>>2684963
That's only if you post your art. With IDs, once you post your art, you're fucking done. You can't ever post in that thread again. Without IDs, you can still hang around without being shamed because of your art level.

[Anonymous No.2684973]

>>2684857
>>2684840
>>2684832

We have to ban /pol/tards to make /ic/ great again.

[Anonymous No.2684974]

>>2684959
None of those are "feels". And the point of anonymity isn't to act like a fuckface.

[Anonymous No.2684975]

>>2684963
IDs will make this board even slower and boring, effectively killing board culture.

[Anonymous No.2684979]

>>2684973
>/pol/tards want flags and ids
>/pol/tards have no shame
No wonder.

[Anonymous No.2685002]

>>2684906
Why didn't I apply as janitor? Or you?

Damn... It's time to do it next time.

[Anonymous No.2685047]

>>2684966
while i've already raised skepticism of ID's in >>2684906 , anyone who dismisses a critique because of the artist's skill level and not because of the content of the critique is only harming themselves and/or trolling and should probably be considered a shitpost and therefore ignored and/or dealt with by moderation if severe enough, but again, i doubt whoever's in charge views this board as worth the effort given it's size and pace vs the amount of people it'd probably require

>>2684975
i feel most would agree that /ic/'s culture is already pretty bad, boring & annoying and the only way it could manage to be slower is if posts somehow managed to go backwards. about the only time it speeds up is when people shitpost but those often only serve to drive off those who actually contribute good feedback/critiques/redlines

>>2685002
i'm easily annoyed and leave this board for months at a time. i'm also probably considered an ess jay double you by most people on 4chan including the mods lol

[Anonymous No.2685050]

permaban all underage kids

[Anonymous No.2685058]

>>2684974
>And the point of anonymity isn't to act like a fuckface.
Yes it is actually. acting a fuckface any where else will get you censored or in trouble.

[Anonymous No.2685076]

no flags pls, more memes pls

[Anonymous No.2685078]

>>2685058
This, the entire point of 4chan is to be able to act like a fuckface.
It's what make the site fun and different from other platforms.

[Anonymous No.2685081]

Flags only bring more shitposting and derailment, check out your average pol or int thread.
ID are alright, probably.

[Anonymous No.2685107]

ban crossposters from /v/ and /pol/
>>2685050
this

starting with >>2685078 here

[Anonymous No.2685108]

>>2685107
ban yourself


Remember kids, give an inch and they will take a mile.

[Anonymous No.2685119]

Flags are just a magnet for shitposting.

IDs are double edged, they allow dumbshits to be samefagging dumbshits, but also can lead to more agressive trolling.

[Anonymous No.2685121]

>>2685119
They *don't* allow

[Anonymous No.2685123]

>>2685119
More agressive trolling like?
Underaged unfunny trolls don't know how to bypass them.

[Anonymous No.2685125]

>>2685121

Actually IDs can be a used in this sense

>I agree with shitposter A
another person comes in
>I agree with B
another
>I agree with C
then the original shitposter will use this to say
>see how many people agree with me?
There are many examples this can be abused.

Really, /pol/ is your example. Try taking a trip there.

[Anonymous No.2685152]

>>2685123
In the sense that IDs give trolls targets. They can find the weak link an play badger the autist.

[Anonymous No.2685161]

the main problem here isn't shitposting in itself, it's that the shitposting isn't funny

i'm not sure how u can fix that in people

[Anonymous No.2685208]

>>2685161
this

The cancer threads lost thier appeal the moment they split off into the porn and crybaby threads

[Anonymous No.2685211]

>>2685161
thats because the shitposting is mostly bullying

[Anonymous No.2685215]

The board itself operates just fine. The problem is the mentality on here and the people in general which is not fixable.

[Anonymous No.2685216]

No similar posts, just like /r9k/. Encourages actual critique, rather than one word shitposts

[Anonymous No.2685218]

>>2685161
They should just permaban shitposters. Fuck them, I've slowly seen many boards turn to pure shit because of le ebin memeposting XD

[Anonymous No.2685219]

Id's are a fucking terrible idea for a slow board like this. The only people they will get rid off are the ones who actually post their work here, participate in activities, give helpful crits etc, as they don't want to get stalked by the shitposters. The ones who come here only to shitpost have no problem resetting their routers or posting from their phone.

[Anonymous No.2685220]

>>2685216
Fucking retarded as fuck. You know how they handle this on /r9k/? They just include some filler text like "oregano originalo" to bypass the filter.

[Anonymous No.2685223]

>>2685218

This isn't the site for you. I suggest you leave.

[Anonymous No.2685224]

>>2685216
"it's shit" is the best critique for you delusional fuckfaces. Nobody has time nor the patience to explain why and how your art is trash.

[Anonymous No.2685225]

>>2685219
this absolutely false. there is no proof what so ever that will happen. This board need IDs. End of discussion.

[Anonymous No.2685227]

Janitor who know how to draw
IDs
Remove phone posters
Harsh moderation for everyone who visit /pol/ and /b/ or ban them all forever
Warnings for people who use """"" """"""", weebs, t. , kys and other /v/ garbage.
Control over pepe posters

[Anonymous No.2685228]

>>2685223
Lmao, afraid you'll get permabanned for acting like a idiot?

[Anonymous No.2685229]

>>2685225
This child mentaltiy of thinking that your opinion is absolutely right is the reason why 4chan this days is absolute cancer. This and the obnoxious ways of the community to nitpick every single detail to death.

[Anonymous No.2685232]

I've been coming here for years, and the biggest problem this board has is simply lack of moderation. Trolling and shitposting is already against the rules, and often the time I take to report posts is wasted.

There are a small number of idiots shitposting incessantly. All /ic/ needs is aggressive moderation and banning.

>>2684942
Just wanted to remind you that you still can't draw for shit.

[Anonymous No.2685236]

>>2685224
Beginners are delusional. That's why you should point out their faults to show them reality

[Anonymous No.2685238]

>>2685218
Why are rulefags like you so fucking keen on destroying everything that is unique about 4chan? I don't particularly like memeposters either, but let's be honest here, /ic/ is easily one of the boards with the least amount of genuine shitposting and memeposting. I can't even remember the last spark or ligameme thread I've seen. Must have been 1 or 2 months ago at least and they usually get deleted pretty quickly.

But sure, let's remove all anonymity, have IDs and flags and permaban anyone who remotely offends you by posting something silly or just making a dumb joke that triggers you.

[Anonymous No.2685239]

>>2685229
This is art board. Drawing is skill.
You don't need any skills in /a/, /v/, /pol/, /r9k/, /tv/, /lit/ etc.

[Anonymous No.2685241]

>>2685239
With nitpicking I sure don't mean relevant things.

[Anonymous No.2685243]

>>2685238
Sure. Anonymity is not friend for art. More like enemy.

[Anonymous No.2685245]

>>2685225
Well, I can only tell you as someone who is not a shitposter and who loves to participate in study threads, challenge threads, collabs etc that I won't be posting anymore if IDs will be introduced. I'm sure I won't be the only one.

[Anonymous No.2685250]

Futaba's art board has IPs but everything is fine

[Anonymous No.2685253]

>>2685243
There are plenty of art forums and art subreddits that don't have anonymity, but instead of migrating to those places, you want to forcefully change the one anonymous art board on the internet? Why?

[Anonymous No.2685254]

>>2685250
People on Futaba are also much nicer.

[Anonymous No.2685255]

>>2685250
>just fine
>filled with anime garbage

[Anonymous No.2685256]

>>2685228
Not him, but the day people will get permabanned for trivial shit like posting memes is the day 4chan will die. I honestly don't understand how fucking dumb someone has to be to not understand this.

[Anonymous No.2685257]

>>2685256
I'm talking about chronic shitposters idiot.

[Anonymous No.2685259]

Friendly reminder that anyone wanting to maintain pure anonymity on /ic/ is a non-drawing shitposter who doesn't wanna be held accountable for their actions.

[Anonymous No.2685260]

>>2685253
>art forums and art subreddits
Let's see
>retarded moderation
>"normal" dumb people
>piracy is no no
>being rude is no no
>your speech limited by moderators who can be SJW or whatever
Even with IDs I still able to say bad things about your mom while posting my art. If you wanna shitpost so hard and don't intrested in "art" just go away to /b/ or IRC chats for trashtalk

[Anonymous No.2685262]

>>2685250
How's their art board? Do they work on the fundies and make it too?

[Anonymous No.2685264]

>>2685259
Take the suggestion and fuck off to any other art board on the internet.

[Anonymous No.2685265]

>>2685228

That's not what I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of outsiders having influence of changes on my /ic/. All we need is a mod and that's it.

[Anonymous No.2685271]

>>2684829
Great post, Anonymous.

[Anonymous No.2685275]

>>2685260
Who are these shitposters you are talking about anyway? Like, I know Malaysia is pretty bad and Nose tends to be a moron, but other than that, I can't think of any shitposter on /ic/ that is so bad you'd have to change this entire board just to combat them.

You're making a mountain out of a fucking ant hill.

[Anonymous No.2685276]

>>2685264
>shitposter fear being BTFO
>>2685262
It's birthplace of redline. But it's slow as fuck. Maybe 2ch analog is faster

[Anonymous No.2685277]

>>2685275
>Who are these shitposters you are talking about anyway?
>being so new

[Anonymous No.2685278]

>>2685275
>Malaysia is pretty bad
You're being too kind.

[Anonymous No.2685279]

>>2685276
What the heck? These gestures look super different from /ic/'s.

[Anonymous No.2685280]

>>2685277

Someone telling you your thread is shit/work on your fundies etc isn't a shitposter. Your feelings getting hurt isn't shitposting. The last thing we need is to get rid of the only place on the internet for art that is real.

[Anonymous No.2685282]

/ic/ is so fucking slow that IDs would completely kill this board. There are not many people on /ic/ and naturally you would post often enough multiple times in the same thread. Now we would have all kinds of new forms of shitposting like disregarding opinions because of something previously said in the thread. No, you couldn't post some funny memes or tell someone to fuck off, it would affect your post later in the thread.

[Anonymous No.2685283]

>>2685276
Shitposters and jealousfags are the ones who want the IDs. They can use them to stalk people who post their work and harass them non stop.

[Anonymous No.2685284]

>>2685283
>harass them non stop.
How?

[Anonymous No.2685287]

Jumping on this bandwagon.

Voting "yes" on IDs. Anyone trying to push for "no" is clearly a shitposter trying to retain his anonymous status to continue trolling. There are literally no valid arguments against IDs on this board.

IDs and Flags will at least give the board the power to self-moderate against trolls by letting us flag/report/ignore any obvious shitposting, as the problem currently, is that shitposts are too hard to differentiate from actual critique.

>>2685245
Good riddance then. You're probably a shitposter if that's the case. Your ID isn't tied to you, it's only tied to your posts in that thread.

There's a reason why the discord chat is far more productive than any of the threads in the actual board, and that's cause people are accountable for that they post since they have a reputation to look out for.

Anonymity hurts /ic/ like a motherfucker

See >>2685259


I'd much rather have the ability to post art, and have it critiqued by people whose IDs in that thread are tied to actual work posted, and see that for a fact, than to just not even bother to post anything, because trolls like to stir up shit with anything they see posted.

>>2685232
>>2685227

I agree, /ic/ needs mods. However, I'm not willing to volunteer, as I'm too busy drawing.

[Anonymous No.2685289]

>>2685284
Just like how they did with Teal, Kyle and Tehmeh, only way more effectively because they can identify them any time they post in a thread. We already have a lack of good artists willing to post here, but we do get some every once in a while. With IDs, you can be sure that no one half decent will ever post on /ic/ again.

[Anonymous No.2685290]

>>2685047
This x1000 I leave this board for months at a time, as I'm only ever discouraged from posting art here due to lack of critique, or trolls. I'm sure this has happened to other artists. In fact, I've spoken to a lot of them on other boards, chats, and the general concesus is that they've left /ic/ due to the shitposting.

Anonymity is bad for a CRITIQUE board. We're not /a/ or /v/ or whatever, who thrive on meme-making and anonymous culture. We're an art critique board. There has to be a degree of accountability for people's actions.

Flags and IDs are the only way to accomplish this in a way that still allows for a degree of privacy, because the alternative is what we're having to resort to, which is all artists posting with trips when posting art/critique. And that is actually LESS private than just a thread ID.
>>2685125
>>2685119
This is wrong.

If you see multiple flags of the same banner, with different IDs, then you know it's a samefag IP hopping. And the thread can identify and easily ignore such a person. The only way to change flags is to get a proxy, and change it with every post, which is far too much work for an underage troll trying to get his kicks of off trolling /ic/.

In fact, you even see it in /pol/ all the time. Autists are far too lazy to switch their IDs when trying to troll on there.

And "more aggressive trolling" will make it easier to identify as a troll, rather than a legit artist giving good advice, which makes it easier for threads to self moderate.

[Anonymous No.2685295]

>>2685289
Aren't IDs just within each thread though? You can't really follow people or tell who they are.

[Anonymous No.2685297]

>>2685287
>I'd much rather have the ability to post art, and have it critiqued by people whose IDs in that thread are tied to actual work posted

Except no one who posted their work in that thread will critique you because they won't know if you're a normal, reasonable person who can take a honest critique or if you're some vindictive faggot who will make it his life mission to get back at them for saying something bad about your work.

[Anonymous No.2685298]

>>2685289
>>2685283
This is false.

IDs are tied to threads only, and can be reset by resetting your IP.

IDs make it easier to identify trolls. Artists can already be IDed and harrassed currently due to their style. I already get a lot of shit from trolls who immediately pick up on my stuff based on my blogs/style. Your style is your ID as an artist, Trolls on the other hand, are completely anonymous.

I hardly post on /ic/ anymore, and opt for the more accountable discord chat because the trolling here has gotten out of hand.

[Anonymous No.2685299]

>>2685290
>If you see multiple flags of the same banner
>what is VPN and multiboxing

Clearly you have much to learn. Do you NOT browse the same /pol/? All the jap threads and weebs who post there spoof their location to Korea/Japan. The "get" culture or rare flag catching are fags spoofing their location and in fact you'd be a moron to shitpost with your base IP.

[Anonymous No.2685300]

>>2685297
Except they can, because your work is your ID as an artist. People have a style they can be recognized from.

Plus, none of what you said changes whether you have IDs or not. Your argument holds true with things as they are currently.

[Anonymous No.2685302]

>>2685290
>s I'm only ever discouraged from posting art here due to lack of critique, or trolls
>feelings getting hurt

Good. We don't need you here. There are hundreds of other art places where people will pat your back. Try facebook.

[Anonymous No.2685303]

Don't give up, shitposterbros!
>>2685287
>However, I'm not willing to volunteer, as I'm too busy drawing.
Actually if you read about "how become mod/janitor" it's looks like joke. Skype interview? Need to talk to other mods in Skype all days? I wanna purge shitposters scum and dick posters in comfy way, not some forced soc bullshit with other fags

[Anonymous No.2685304]

>>2685287
We don't need flags or ID. If you want identification just use a tripcode.

[Anonymous No.2685305]

How thin skinned must you be to not be able to handle the weak trolling on this board? 4chan is definitely not for you. The people who ask for stronger moderation are always the reddit faggots that got their feelings hurt in this place. Just fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2685306]

>>2685299
Look man. I just draw, not shitpost. I'm sure most underage kiddies won't go through that much trouble JUST to shit on /ic/, adding flags and IDs will just make it harder for them to troll, which will in turn discourage the activity.

[Anonymous No.2685308]

>>2685259
>>2685287
Taking away anonymity brings its own set of problems (namely community drama), and it will do nothing to the quality of posts on this board. All we need are mods liberally handing out bans so the report system functions as intended. If you want your own special snowflake identity there's nothing stopping you from posting unique OC or using a tripcode to identify yourself.

>>2685280
>Someone telling you your thread is shit/work on your fundies etc isn't a shitposter.
Not the anon you're replying to, but insults aren't critiques. Trolling is against the rules, even if you think it's being done righteously. If you can't/won't bother to articulate why something is shit you shouldn't post about it.

[Anonymous No.2685309]

>>2685304
Trolls don't use trips you fucktard. That's the whole POINT of IDs.

[Anonymous No.2685313]

>>2685298
>I hardly post on /ic/ anymore, and opt for the more accountable discord chat because the trolling here has gotten out of hand.

Sometimes I wonder if I browse the same /ic/. Where is this out of hand trolling happening? There are a few idiots every so often posting something stupid and then they immediately get called out on it by others in the same thread. Is that occasional jealous / spiteful troll post the out of hand trolling you need IDs to stop it?

[Anonymous No.2685315]

>>2685308

Go to facebook, reddit, any forum where you can have such treatment.

[Anonymous No.2685319]

>>2685305
It's not about being thin skinned. It's about wanting a decent board.

This isn't your place to have your "anonymoose culture" this is an art critique board, and it did much better when it was smaller, before all the shitposting.

What the fucking point of posting art if you're just gonna get some samefagging faggot say "it's shit" and "loomis." I'm just wasting my time. If I post art in a critique board, I post it for critique and feedback. The sort of activity we have currently only wards away actual artists, thereby dwindling the number of people who can ACTUALLY give good critique.

Saying what you just posted simply proves you're a shitposter who only comes here to get his kicks. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2685325]

>>2685306
But why would trolls and shitposters even care that they are being identified by IDs in the first place? If the shitposter never posts their work and just wants to shitpost, why would they care that people can identify them?

[Anonymous No.2685328]

>>2685308
Yeah, if mods won't moderate, then we need to self-moderate, and the only way to do so is by having the ability to easily recognize shitposters, and distinguish it from actual (bad) feedback.

Having IDs does nothing but hurt shitposters, this is common sense, and considering how this thread has gotten so heated, yet the poll remains at mostly YES, only serves to prove that it's the same shitposters arguing against IDs since it'll only hurt them.

[Anonymous No.2685330]

>>2685319
>What the fucking point of posting art if you're just gonna get some samefagging faggot say "it's shit" and "loomis."

So now we got to the bottom of it. You don't want IDs to stop this evil menace of shitposters, you are butthurt that someone said something mean about your art and with IDs, you could identify said person and return the favor. That's all you want IDs for, so you can be a spiteful faggot to everyone who doesn't like your art and posted something as harmless as "needs more Loomis".

[Anonymous No.2685331]

>>2685306

It will discourage posting style. If lets say anon posts work they can't post in the thread again to give their opinion on something because whatever they say is tied to their work. Anything and everything they say after posting their work their posting style is restricted. It will bring on a "humble" culture to the board. A fake persona that you'd see on facebook.

People can already be identified by their artwork. We don't need IDs.

[Anonymous No.2685332]

>>2685313
I'm shitpost and samefaging regularly on my "native language" board. Not here, I swear.

[Anonymous No.2685333]

>>2685325
Who cares about what they care. I want to have them jump through more hoops if they wanna be totally anonymous.

If you see tons of posts with the same ID, then it's easy to recognize as a shitposter. If you see tons of posts with different IDs, but all withj a Malaysian flag, then guess what, it's a shitposter.

People can simply hit report, and ignore the posts.

Trolls feed on attention, ignore the trolls and they go away.

If we can more easily ID trolls, then we can more easily ignore them, and they go away. Common fucking sense.

[Anonymous No.2685334]

>>2685319
You're such a child who obviously got his feelings hurt like the little bitch he is. You get all the time decent critiques if you post your work, the few people that make fun of you are no trouble at all and easy to ignore. Only because you cry yourself to sleep everytime someone jokes about your shitty art doesn't make IDs neccessary. Please collect your bitch tears and get out of this place.

[Anonymous No.2685337]

>>2684860
REMEMBER TO VOTE

THIS IS THE RESULT I'LL BE SHOWING TO HIRO TO DECIDE WETHER OR NOT WE WILL BE HAVING ID'S/FLAGS

[Anonymous No.2685340]

>>2685337
fuck off

[Anonymous No.2685341]

>>2685331
>We don't need IDs.
We need them.
>Shitposters trying damage control
This thread is great proof. IDs are not scary for normal posters

[Anonymous No.2685344]

>>2685341

I bet your fucking ass you wouldn't post smug anime loli replying to me had you already posted your art ITT I seriously bet it on my mothers life. You are only kidding yourself.

[Anonymous No.2685345]

>>2685328
That's a nice ANONYMOUS poll you have there, but why don't you put your money where your mouth is and let's have a vote in the spirit of the new accountable /ic/ you want to see. Post in this thread whether or not you want IDs together with your work. Only then does your vote count. Because you are all in favor for accountability I think it's appropriate if you start.

[Anonymous No.2685346]

>>2685315
I come here for the harshness and insults, friend. Replies consisting of nothing but insults unrelated to the art add nothing to this board. Trolling is against the rules.

[Anonymous No.2685350]

>>2685337
>REMEMBER TO VOTE
>falgs + IDs
>no flags and IDs + Mal flag
No thanks. It's shit. I don't need flags.

[Anonymous No.2685351]

>>2685346
Nobody here is trolling. It's you putting your feelfeels in front of your logical thinking. The only time I've seen serious trolling is maldraw.

[Anonymous No.2685354]

>>2685333
But trolls like Malaysia aren't even trying to fool people into thinking they are someone else. They are as obnoxious as it gets and they can already be identified by any post they make. They make no effort to hide it. They feed on attention as you said. With IDs they'd get even more attention.

[Anonymous No.2685356]

>>2685331
They could if they really want to, all they need to do is reset their IP.

Plus, there's nothing wrong with people being held accountable for their actions.

If you're gonna post work, and then turn around and give someone a two-word "critique," then people will know you're a prick, thus people are more encouraged to actually put effort into the critique they give if they wanna continue to recieve good feed back.

it create a positive loop cycle. In addition, that anon doesn't have to critique, he's still anonymous, and isn't forced to give any feedback of any sort.

Trust me, I post both here, and in the /ic/ discord, and there's a reason all the feedback I get on there is far more usefull than anything I get from here.

Literally:
>post work here and on the discord chat simultaneously
here
>it's shit
>fuck off
>loomis
>what, you don;t like my critique, fucking vindictive faggot, it's you again

discord chat
>hey
>i like this, but try this instead
>here's a redline
>check out this book, look into this
>here a link to some artist's work that might help you out

End of story.

This place is a fucking shithole.

[Anonymous No.2685357]

>>2685356
>tfw you samefag and do a good critique and a bad critique for some people

[Anonymous No.2685360]

>>2685356

Don't even get me started on the discord chat it's full of fakers who don't want to tell it like it is. The epitome of asskissing.

[Anonymous No.2685361]

>>2684860
>flags
So everyone can be reduced to their country, right? Fucking canerous redditfag.

[Anonymous No.2685363]

>>2685337
see >>2685345

Voting in an anonymous poll for less anonymity is a little bit hypocritical don't you think? The only votes that should count are the ones by people who post their work ITT and say whether they want IDs or not.

[Anonymous No.2685364]

>>2685334
Yeah, except ALL you get are people who make fun of you now, since all the actual artists have gone onto the discord chat group.

Very rarely do you get any genuine feedback on here since actual artists are discouraged from posting here anymore due to how shit it is.

I fucking TALK to them on the /ic/ chat every day, we've discussed this before. Very few of them even post here anymore due to the mass of trolls.

[Anonymous No.2685367]

>>2685361
ctrl + f malaysia pls

[Anonymous No.2685369]

>>2685363
IP's are locked. Unless some super autist really wants to fuck up the poll with proxyfagging and VPN's then you can disregard it.

[Anonymous No.2685370]

>>2685364
WHERE is this happening? I literally never seen it once. In fact people who blatantly post shit about someone else are usually ganged up on by others in the sam thread and called out on.

[Anonymous No.2685373]

>>2685364
Literally all the good artists leave /ic/ when they become good. On /ic/ all the pile of shit stays. Either you become good and leave the pile of shit or you don't make it and stay in it.

[Anonymous No.2685376]

>>2685344
Why? I'm grown up from subculture wars long ago so can post everything. Not everyone here are 18 years old

[Anonymous No.2685378]

>>2685356
>thus people are more encouraged to actually put effort into the critique they give if they wanna continue to recieve good feed back.
Might as well add upvotes, likes, and a way to friend your favorite posters while you're at it.

>This place is a fucking shithole.
That is not because people aren't given temporary identities. More moderation addresses this issue. Adding community drama does not.

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2685379]

>>2685345
>but why don't you put your money where your mouth is and let's have a vote in the spirit of the new accountable /ic/ you want to see.

Fine. I'm perfectly OK with being held accountable for my actions. In fact, have my trip as well, so you know who I am from here on out.

I WANT IDs ON /ic/! ANYONE ARGUING AGAINST THIS IS A NON-ARTIST SHITPOSTER WHO DOESN'T WANNA BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

I have no shame in wanting this community to become a better and more productive place to grow as an artist. There's a reason I don't post here as much anymore, and that's because this place has seriously gone downhill over the last few years.

Even over on 8ch, which is dead as fuck, their art board agree that 4chan's /ic/ has really gone to shit due to rampant and uncontrolled shitposting.

That's my end of the bargain, now you post YOUR work senpai, in good spirit.

[Anonymous No.2685380]

>>2685376

so post your work

I'm waiting big boy.

[Anonymous No.2685382]

>>2685367
so you want to ruin this entire board becaue of 1 fucking guy who isn't even here that much and whose threads usually get deleted almost immediately?

Imagine some regular posters from not so common countries post here and they could be identified ANY TIME any thread they post in, because of their flag. How long do you think they'll stay before the complete lack of anonymity will make them leave?

[Anonymous No.2685384]

>>2685379

Ah no wonder YOU want IDs. You're the one who gets picked on in the style thread. Maybe stop replying to the obvious spammer and shit like that won't happen.

[Anonymous No.2685385]

>shitposters on suicide watch

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2685388]

>>2685384
No work, no vote. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2685389]

>>2685382
>whose threads usually get deleted almost immediately?
That's the problem. He should be banned by now but there's still people accusing him of still actively posting.
By having flags then we can know for sure if he's out of this place for good and disregard all shitposters as shitposters and not just one guy.

[Anonymous No.2685390]

>>2684829
Why not limit the number of posts, for those who don't have a 4chan pass, to about 50 posts a day.

That way you can have your cake and eat it too. Shitposting and trolling would drop while quality posts would rise AND 4chan revenue would increase significantly. Anons get their boards the way they like it, and mods can use the extra cash to make improvements to 4chan as a whole. It's a win-win for everyone.

[Anonymous No.2685391]

>>2685388
How about you depart from here back to your discord pig pen if you don't like 4chan?

[Anonymous No.2685393]

>>2685390

What about reference dump threads and the other various threads that require multiple posting? No, bad idea.

[Anonymous No.2685394]

>>2685385
>says while shitposting
4chan is a place full of people that think they're right about anything and double standards. You people will never accept your own hypocrisy.

[Anonymous No.2685396]

>>2685379
Your work is shit. It's not even finished and you probably spent days working on it. Stay pleb, faggot.

[Anonymous No.2685401]

>>2685379
Alright. I play. I'm not a shitposter and I DON'T want IDs because I think you're blowing this whole shitposter problem way out of proportions and it WILL only hurt the kind of people who are paranoid about not wanting to be constantly identified every time they post.

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2685402]

>>2685391
I'm only following YOUR proposal senpai. You said put your money where your mouth, and vote while showing your identity. I did, I cast my vote as you said, meanwhile, you're still hiding behind the veil of anonymity.

Likeiwse, you might be fervently arguing against me and others on here, but the poll clearly shows the will of /ic/, dispite your attempts at being the loudest voice here. In addition, you've outted yourself as the troll from the Alt-Generals. It seems you're at a loss here shitposter-kun. End-game, just give up. It's over.

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2685406]

>>2685401
If you're that paranoid, then why even post at all. You can already be IDed by your work. In addition, absolute anonymity only hurts artists, as marketing yourself, and learning to do so, is part of the trade if you wanna do this for a living.

If you're not interested in making it, and only do this as a hobby (which is fine), a simple reset of your IP will make it like it was before, and keep you anonymous.

[Anonymous No.2685408]

>>2685394
I know, anon, I know. But let's be real. IDs will never happens. This "meta" thread is not real. Hiro said you can have one "meta" thread. That's all. He didn't say it has some powers. Let's for example ask mod to post here smug loli right now just for confirmation usefulness of this thread?

[Anonymous No.2685410]

>>2685402

You are assuming a lot of things that aren't true. And that pol can easily be rigged. The fact that you're so angry that you've taken on a tripcode to be a special dandelion says wonders about you.

Your friends are waiting to comfort you back at >>>/discord/

[Anonymous No.2685411]

>>2685379
I don't want IDs. I come to this place because I don't need to deal with all this bullshit like on other places. I don't care about people making fun of my art, I'm shit tier and deserve it.

[Anonymous No.2685415]

>>2685393
Then you better make those posts count and think twice about re-posing a pic that you already got from here in the first place.

Not only does my idea put a lid on the shitposting it also improves the quality of posts and gives an incentive to be more original and unique with every post.

You can not refute my idea in any way. It's solid. It's perfect. Make 4chan passes a barrier to more engaging experience. Anyone can still post except it would be limited. If someone wants the full experience then they pay for a pass. It's that simple. And it will work.

[Anonymous No.2685417]

>>2685406
Goddamn you sound like a paranoid shit poster

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2685418]

>>2685410
>the poll is rigged

It might be, now that I've exposed the results. 90 users is more or less the average traffic /ic/ gets. If we suddenly see the poll climb well beyond that, then it's clear people started to stuff ballots.

Also, I only followed YOUR rules dude. I only took up a trip because YOU told me to. You said to cast a vote in good faith will exposing myself with my work. I did, now I'm awaiting you to do the same, which you still havent't done, despite it being YOUR proposal.

End of story. You're done.

[Anonymous No.2685419]

>>2685415

I'm sorry to inform you but /ic/ isn't the only board people go to. Unless you mean restricting 50 posts per board and even if you implement something like that probably is the average amount of posts people make per day on a slow day anyway. It would be a waste of effort and only hurting non-shitposters.

[Anonymous No.2685421]

>>2685418
I'm the one who made that proposal >>2685401 and I did post my work.

So far, it's 2 for no IDs and 1 for IDs.

[Anonymous No.2685422]

>>2685415
You don't even consider the bad things that may happen. You're like fucking politicans that promise the world but never acknowledge the bad sides and lie trough their teeth just to get people's vote.

If you would acknowledge both the positives and negatives with making a case for more positives than negatives, then I could accept your case. But like that you're merely a shitposter forcing your ideals on other people.

[Anonymous No.2685423]

>>2685418
The problem with what you are saying is you are confusing me with another person.
>"s-so that's why we need IDs so I can point out who I'm talking to without looking like an idiot!!"
no, you need to chill the fuck out and stop being so angry over little things

[Anonymous No.2685426]

>>2685401
One-two weeks test run with IDs.
Problem solved
Where is smug loli, Mod-san?

[ManlySpirit !PXqlAPRwwk No.2685431]

>>2685421
Well then, we have different opinions then m8. You've cast your vote, I've cast mine. No point in continuing to bicker then, is there?

Personally, if this place doesn't get cleaned up with the shitposting, I'm gonna continue to take any and all "critique" I get from here with a MASSIVE grain of salt. Like you said, I still have /ic/ discord chat which is a lot more helpful. I still would like to see this place get cleaned up, and I do believe having IDs to hold people accountable for their actions, and by adding more hoops for shitposters to jump through, is the way to do it.

You might disagree, and that's where we're at ends with each other. At the end of the day, it's two different point of views. No extra amount arguing will solve that.

So what that, I'm done here. Have a nice day anon, and may what's best for this board come to be. Regardless of who's right.

Cheers.

[Anonymous No.2685433]

>>2685431
christ what a faggot

[Anonymous No.2685435]

>>2685426
This, give it a test run, I say for a month though. See how it goes. I guarantee that this place will become a lot better right off the bat if so.

[Anonymous No.2685436]

It is really not hard at all to pirate a proxy service and shitpost with a dozen different IDs and god forbid flags.

[Anonymous No.2685438]

/pol/ got even worse after flags and IDs. You really don't have any pre existing case that promises that this will be a good idea.

[Anonymous No.2685440]

>>2685436
90% of them are banned. They get banned pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.2685443]

>>2685438
/pol/ =/= /ic/
/pol/ is just blah-blah-blah. Low tier hobby
/ic/ is about drawing. blah-blah-blah means nothing.

[Anonymous No.2685447]

>>2685436
>implying the underage b8 who likes to shitpost on here will go through all that trouble JUST to tell people they're jealous of their art is shit.

See
>>2685259
>>2685303
It's very clear who the shitposters are. People who don't actually come here to draw, and have very shit work. They benefit from not having IDs in order to be tracked. Anyone who actually posts any decent work, is fine with being recognized, since they're used to showcasing their work on various blogs. They come here strictly for critique, so they're fine with being recognized. Jealous amateurs and shitposters however, like having that veil that lets them say and act however they want, with no repercussions.

As a critique board, there is absolutely nothing wrong with IDs. I guarantee the shitposting will drop almost completely if you implement them.

[Anonymous No.2685449]

>>2685440

If you have comcast (and most people do in the states) you can easily just use the hotspot and spoof from there. No need for VPN.

[Anonymous No.2685450]

/ic/ is a very shitty board right now. so shitty its literally useless.
flags and id's are usually implemented onto boards that require improvements in content.
flags and id's will fix this place.
please vote yes

[Anonymous No.2685452]

>>2685449
It'll still be the same flag, and not everyone has Comcast, as not everyone is American.

Seeing 50 Malaysian flags, all with different IDs will still help you identify who's making those posts.

>>2685447
This. The only people nervous about this are the people who have something to hide. The people who constantly expose themselves by posting work don't have an issue with it.

[Anonymous No.2685453]

>>2685452
That's just one example. I'm trying to tell you your idea of IDs can easily be walked around.

[Anonymous No.2685455]

>>2685422
>You don't even consider the bad things that may happen.
What bad things? Shitposters will not pony up for a pass, theses people are too cheap to do that. To them it would feel like giving money to the enemy. Because they know they would have to behave themselves if they don't want to lose the pass, i.e lose their money.

>You're like fucking politicans that promise the world but never acknowledge the bad sides and lie trough their teeth just to get people's vote.
No I'm like an social network engineer that proposes a solution that isn't contaminated by polemics against anonymity such as flags and id's

>If you would acknowledge both the positives and negatives with making a case for more positives than negatives, then I could accept your case. But like that you're merely a shitposter forcing your ideals on other people.
The only possible negative is that 4chan would appear to be running a social site with real possible revenue and not a shitpost aggregator free-for-all. My solution natural filters out those who don't want to be a part of the board culture. Having a pass doesn't force anything on anyone, except having a pass.

There are negatives here unless youre too cheap to fork up the money. 20$ for a whole year. If you can afford an Abobe CC subscription, then a 4chan pass would be a drop in the bucket.

[Anonymous No.2685457]

>>2685453
And that's why you have flags as a second failsafe.

In addition, it's extra steps shitposters have to take in order to be IDed. Especially, since a lot of the shitposters are people who have really shitty work, and are jealous of others. I can assure you those same people won't bother to be absolute cunts to others if they've posted any work they can be grilled on.

The ones who make a habit out of shitposting, you can simply ID by that fact that NO work has been posted by them at all. And that can be ignored.

[Anonymous No.2685460]

>>2685457

We don't need flags. We don't need "a fucking leaf" tier shitposting brought over from /pol/.

[Anonymous No.2685461]

>>2685453
When 4chan was blocked in Russia it was not fun at all. Everyday 4chan IPS blocked my proxies and VPN, even private ones.

[Anonymous No.2685462]

>>2685449
Any service that runs cable and internet through the same line can be manipulated, you don't need comcast

[Anonymous No.2685463]

>>2685455
I wouldn't pay money to post on 4chan, especially for how shitty this board is. I'd much rather post anywhere else that's free.

There's literally no value in paying to post on 4chan. Even for a measely 20$. If an anonymous board cropped up, that was subscription only, I might consider it, but only if the community was notorious for being good, and being active. Like the 4chan of 2006.

Also, for the record, I pirated my copy of Photoshop.

[Anonymous No.2685465]

>>2685462
comcast has a monopoly in the US

[Anonymous No.2685466]

>>2685460
pls be my ai gf

[Anonymous No.2685467]

>>2685259
>accountability
The whole point of anonymous discussion is that people are reasonable because they want to be, not because of some social bullshit. If you get a useful critique it's because of some ones good will, If you get flamed it's because someone wants to flame you. It's direct and clear - that's the appeal - and if you can't handle it emotionally, then that's your problem.

If a social hivemind is what you want, why don't you go to facebook or reddit, where people adjust the way they behave toward you according to who they want to be seen as, rather than what they really think of you and your art? Oh wait, that doesn't seem like a very good environment to be in if you get honest critique, does it?

[Anonymous No.2685468]

>>2685466

I was in that thread. It was intense.

[Anonymous No.2685470]

>>2685460
And you can ignore that. It's called self moderation. What you can't ignore are people "critiquing" your work, claiming to be artists, and simply using it as an excuse to shit on people, or start shit.

This is a critique board, not a discussion board. Any discussion that isn't critiquing people's art, or giving advice, is downright useless. And will only be done away with when its ignored.

What /ic/ needs is the means to self moderate, the way you do that, is by giving the users the tools to ID shitposters so they can ignore them. /ic/ is the most vulnerable to trolling out of all the boards since it's a critique board, not a discussion board.

[Anonymous No.2685472]

>>2685467
>If a social hivemind
>art
Ayyy. Better just remove /ic/ as board.

[Anonymous No.2685473]

>>2685467
t. shitposter who's only recently found this board

I remember when /ic/ was good. It didn't have this mentality, I'll tell you that.

[Anonymous No.2685476]

>>2685467
This is a critique board, not a discussion board, you can fuck off with all that bullshit, shitposter. None of that applies to /ic/. If you actually posted work, you'd know.

[Anonymous No.2685478]

Seems to me we're lingering towards implementing ID's, however despite that you can rest assured I will continue calling each and everyone of you a faggot as you are this insufferable.

[Anonymous No.2685479]

>>2685478
This.

Shitposters on suicide watch.

[Anonymous No.2685481]

>>2685478
I love you.

[Anonymous No.2685482]

>>2685470
>And you can ignore that. It's called self moderation.

So why can't you/refuse to ignore the shitposting without the IDs? Because it is a critique board you are putting things up of worth that you made unlike pol where they can shitpost because they can. IDs will stifle board culture and will give the illusion that outsiders are in good company, bringing in unwanted people who aren't used to 4chan. Take this faggot for example >>2685478 (and I've said it for the 3rd time by now) he wouldn't post a nep reaction image had he already posted his work. This place would be dead and full of fake "humble"""" people. The atmosphere will be like facebook because whatever you say will tarnish your good name if it's bad/stupid/regret saying it.

[Anonymous No.2685483]

>>2685470
What exactly do you count as trolling and shitposting though? For example, 99% of the time, when someone says "needs more Loomis", it's actually an accurate assessment that the person in question needs to study more fundamentals. "Loomis" is just an easy way to say that.

[Anonymous No.2685484]

>>2685463
>I wouldn't pay money to post on 4chan,
That's what a shitposter and troll would say

>There's literally no value in paying to post on 4chan.
Then there is no value for you to be here. If this place is such trash why do keep coming back? If you get banned why cry about it? What did you lose. There must be something to this place if you keep coming back. If you're not willing put a price on it then you don't have any reasons to be here in the first place.


>If an anonymous board cropped up, that was subscription only, I might consider it, but only if the community was notorious for being good, and being active. Like the 4chan of 2006.

My solution would make 4chan great again. It would get rid of the shitposters and bring the boards back to dedicated hard working anons

>Also, for the record, I pirated my copy of Photoshop.
That's because you're a shitposter, (i.e. cheap)

[Anonymous No.2685485]

stop deleting every thread that ever so slightly deviates from the 'critique' aspect of the board. there's been tonnes of interesting threads with good discussions on the philosophies of drawing, but it get's deleted by mods because it's not critiquing art directly.

doesn't help that the board is slow as fuck as it is

[Anonymous No.2685486]

>>2685473
>I remember when /ic/ was good. It didn't have this mentality, I'll tell you that.

And it didn't have IDs either.

[Anonymous No.2685487]

>>2685485

All the deletes I've seen are justified.

[Anonymous No.2685489]

>>2685465
so does att, verizion, google, time warner, dish, etc.

[Anonymous No.2685490]

>>2685482
>So why can't you/refuse to ignore the shitposting without the IDs?
It's impossible or you live in elfland.

[Anonymous No.2685491]

>>2685472
Yea, it's a bit of a contradiction, and /ic/ is the least appealing board I frequent for that reason, but it does serve that purpose of providing an anonymous space for people who are interested in learning how to draw and paint, so far as that is possible, and I don't see any reason to make it more of a social hivemind by enforcing user IDs or flags (which would only cause shitposting to skyrocket anyways).

[Anonymous No.2685492]

>>2685489
Comcast is the number 1 ISP in the country. I'm just stating facts.

[Anonymous No.2685493]

>>2685482
Yeah, fuck off shitposter. The results are coming in. It seems we're getting IDs You're gonna have to troll somewhere else senpai.

So far, there hasn't been a legitimate argument against IDs aside from paranoid speculation, and scrubs being insecure.

And "muh anonimoose culture" is not a legit argument.

This is a critique forum, not a discussion board. Critique isn't an excuse to be a faggot, and we already saw ITT that the moment people had to stand beside their work with what they posted, discussion suddenly got a lot less chaotic, and much more civil. We also saw the kinds of people making different posts.

[Anonymous No.2685495]

>>2685482
Because we have rampant samefags, and you can't tell who's saying what. Just look at this thread, over 200 posts, with just 39 posters.

[Anonymous No.2685496]

>>2685493

Why did you take off your tripcode?

[Anonymous No.2685498]

>>2685491
And if that happens, then you simply remove the IDs, and problem solved.

There's literally no reason not to try it shitposter-kun.

[Anonymous No.2685499]

>>2685493
Not him but do you realize this would turn this place into some DA/Facebook hugbox environment because people would be afraid to post what they really think and tell it the way it is and before you know it there will be faggots trying to make a name out of themselves and it'll be a huge circlejerk.

[Anonymous No.2685500]

>>2685491
As I said ID for one-two weeks for test is great thing. And 2ch, futaba have IPs for example. Don't even play "japanese anons are kind" card.

[Anonymous No.2685501]

Now I remember why meta threads are fucking cancer.

[Anonymous No.2685504]

>>2685486
But it was slow enough for people to stand by their work, as you knew who was giving who critique.

[Anonymous No.2685505]

There will probably be a new rule banning artist drama on here.

That's the only big change needed to the board, apart from removing the ancient no tablets rule.

[Anonymous No.2685507]

>>2685482
>""" """"
Just like a clock.

[Anonymous No.2685508]

>>2685495
and there's no reason for you to know. If you want that, go to a fucking forum, facebook or reddit. This is 4chan. This site was built on anonymity as its fucking key feature.

[Anonymous No.2685509]

>>2685467
>if you get flamed it's because someone wants to flame you. It's direct and clear - that's the appeal - and if you can't handle it emotionally, then that's your problem.

They want IDs so they can know specifically who flamed them. It bugs the hell out of them not knowing if it's one anon or multiple. They want IDs to make their enemies accountable.

[Anonymous No.2685510]

>>2685499
>speculation
Yeah, ok.

[Anonymous No.2685512]

>>2685508
Hello newfriend.

[Anonymous No.2685514]

>>2685507

Does the word humble""" trigger something off inside you? Just look at the sticky discord, nobody would act the same way ITT in that chat. Why? Because they're ID'd.
--------------------
Like my work check out my pixiv >>>[here]
Follow me on instagram

[Anonymous No.2685515]

>>2685505
>There will probably be a new rule banning artist drama on here.
It's good and bad. Some big dramas are pretty interesting, but small ones based at "relationships" are shitty

[Anonymous No.2685516]

>>2685478
Better start saving up for that 4chan pass if you want to keep avatar-ing, ricky

[Anonymous No.2685517]

>>2685509
This, the problem is that it's multiple samefags flaming a person for their work out of jealousy.

Just look at this thread. Look at the number of blatant samefags ITT.

"No"fags are a vocal minority, as evidently, most people are voting "Yes."

[Anonymous No.2685518]

>>2685512
See, this right there is what you call "shitposting" and what you are so much against and want to combat with your IDs.

[Anonymous No.2685520]

>>2685517

how the heck do we know you aren't just using a proxy to vote multiple times to influence the mods on your behalf? There aren't that many people on this board less than >120

[Anonymous No.2685522]

>>2685478
nice latest work, faggot

[Anonymous No.2685523]

>>2685476
I have, but I'm not going to post it in this thread and associate it with the post I just made. You know why that is just as well as I do.
The reason I can oppose your bullshit and still post my work for critique, without it being associated by people who agree with me with "that guy who has an opinion they don't like" and critiqued based on the personality of the one behind it, is anonymity.
Having IDs would force anyone who posts their art here to keep their image in mind and try not to antagonize anyone at all times; - when they're giving critique, when they feel like being cheeky, or when they just want to call someone else out on being a faggot. At that point you might as well join a facebook group.

[Anonymous No.2685525]

>>2685522
DELETE THIS

[Anonymous No.2685527]

>>2685514
kys, """"""""""", t., weebs, normies are great shitposters/crossboardes detectors.

[Anonymous No.2685529]

>>2685517
>This, the problem is that it's multiple samefags flaming a person for their work out of jealousy.

WHERE DOES THIS HAPPEN? Seriously. Where the fuck does this EVER happen? The last time I remember an actual good artist getting flamed out of jealousy was Teal or to some degree Kyle and they had their own defense force of people always calling out the shitposters. Every single time someone posts something decent and someone else starts talking irrelevant shit about it, it's always the shitposter who gets attacked by everyone else. We are already self-moderating. We don't need fucking IDs.

[Anonymous No.2685531]

>>2685518
>act like a newfag
>get called a newfag
>s-see, he's shitposting

Only newfags try to adhere to "muh anonymous culture" bullshit in order to fit in. 4chan isn't a place to come act like a shithead. This is something that fuckfaces who didn't lurk enough never seemed to understand.

If you wanna act like a faggot, /b/ and /pol/ are right over that way newfriend >>>

[Anonymous No.2685532]

>>2685485
They get deleted by janitors because "jani-sempais' hate the OP and they take attention away from their precious generals. It's unhinges them when people actually start to learn useful things, especially things that that refute their vision of what making it looks like.

[Anonymous No.2685533]

>>2685523
>without it being associated by people who agree with me with "that guy who has an opinion they don't like"
Fuck. Too lazy to repost, you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.2685534]

>>2685527

I'm a forefather on this board. You're the crossie.

kys, weebs, normie*, are universal terms.

[Anonymous No.2685537]

>>2685529
BBC
Loliguy
Kepcock spamming
Jace, but he's faggot

[Anonymous No.2685538]

>>2685517
Yes, this is the place to speak your hearts out. any drama, contempt or complains you have now is the time to say it.

[Anonymous No.2685539]

>>2685520
Thread's been up all day man. Around 100 posters is more or less the traffic of /ic/. The thread alone has 40 different IPs, if we account for lurkers who don't post when they vote, 120 is pretty accurate.

[Anonymous No.2685540]

>>2685492
Att,Verizon, Sprint are also #1 isp in the country. What a coincidence!

[Anonymous No.2685541]

>>2685534
universal terms for shitposters

[Anonymous No.2685542]

Meta threads don't work because you just get two or more camps that will be set in their ways. Like everyone knows you can't hold an argument on 4chan because you will find fags like in this thread that will conclude that their opinion is fact and everyone else is a shitposter. It's pointless and nothing will change.

[Anonymous No.2685545]

>>2685515
No, none of it is really good.

/ic/ isn't intended to be a place for clique shitposting drama. All you're supposed to do is post work, critique work, and masturbate over your favorite dead artists.

Everyone itt talking about flags and IDs is stupid too. The only reason ya'll are in this samefag/shitposting mess is because you all put yourselves into continuously budding, derivative generals. Getting rid of all generals apart from the drawthread will solve most of these community problems over the long term.

[Anonymous No.2685546]

>>2685529
Try every thread in the Alternative Threads. We have faggots from /a/ come over all the time and start shit.

[Anonymous No.2685548]

>>2685541

>words that hurt my feelings
this is my conclusion about you

[Anonymous No.2685549]

>>2685520
most people just reads the thread but they participate in the voting here >>2684860
captcha solving is hard and writing is harder

[Anonymous No.2685550]

>>2685540

another coincidence is I was teaching your little sister to feel my forms last night

[Anonymous No.2685553]

>>2685548
not words, but posters

[Anonymous No.2685554]

>>2685531
Completely ignoring my argument and saying "hello newfriend" is shitposting by any defintiion of the word.

[Anonymous No.2685556]

>>2685520
>be really loud about your opinion
>meanwhile people who aren't interested in the bickering cast their vote
>t-the voting is rigged, we're CLEARLY the majority

[Anonymous No.2685557]

>>2685554
/thread

Would love to have IDs for this thread only to see the people that vote for IDs be exposed as the biggest shitposters ITT.

[Anonymous No.2685563]

>>2685556

We had one angry fella with a tripcode demanding change for ID's. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest that he, in his wussy little head, is spamming the yes button to finally have his way (which this thread won't go nowhere by the way).
>>2685557
this

[Anonymous No.2685564]

>>2685554
Telling people to go to a different forum if they don't wanna put up with shitposting IS shitposting you fucking tard.

4chan wasn't wall about jackasses shitposting left and right. That only happened when SRS invaded /v/ and spread to other boards. 4chan used to be a lot more welcoming toward people who actually BOTHERED to lurk and adhere to board culture. There's a reason /v/ was known as the most hostile board, since it was cancer the moment reddit crossposters started leaking in. Sadly, that cancer spread across the whole forum as people though that they could behave elsewhere like they did on /v/.

Fuck off, you're clearly new. You just got called out on it, and it triggered you. Word of advice, 4chan isn't a place to come act like a shithead, regardless of whatever reputation it might have gotten on reddit or know your meme.

[Anonymous No.2685565]

>>2685529
Teal really was a pedo though. No joke he and some friends flooded a -booru site with real CP. And I don't mean loli drawings, these were actual photos of kids naked in proactive poses. Seriously some sick shit. Don't believe me if you want. But the fact remains Teal was a genuine pedo. This place is better off without his kind.

[Anonymous No.2685567]

>>2685554
>>2685557
>>2685563
You don't need to reply to yourself man.

It's honestly embarassing.

[Anonymous No.2685568]

>>2685550
And she still draws gestures better than you.

[Anonymous No.2685570]

>>2685564
The classic meme that 4chan ever was a quality place is exclusively spouted by 2010+ fags. Yes it was really comfy in the past and I liked it better but the quality was abysmal.

[Anonymous No.2685572]

>>2685564
>4chan used to be a lot more welcoming toward people who actually BOTHERED to lurk and adhere to board culture.

This has nothing to do with IDs. You are going off on another subject. Furthermore people don't read the stickies on this board and don't lurk even with a big old READ THE STICKY picture on the front page and linked to some generals. The lurkers here don't participate. They download and watch you clowns duke it out with each other. It's the same 80-110 people day in and day out.

[Anonymous No.2685573]

>>2685570
>quality
No, it was just better.

[Anonymous No.2685578]

SHITPOSTERS BTFO
>>2685557
I can reset my IP 100 times for votes and it will change nothing. Did you see here any posts from Mod about "CHOOSE YOUR DESTINY BOYS"? Open /a/ and look at their meta thread. It's dubs thread lmao. This is not legit thread too. OP is not Mod. Just enjoy fun

[Anonymous No.2685579]

>>2685567
nice try
>uh uh inspect element
you think I have time for that?
>>2685568
Well she DID learn from the best. Shes young and has plenty of my plasticity left in her tight cunny.

[Anonymous No.2685580]

>>2685579
Nice PS

[Anonymous No.2685582]

>>2685579
She learned from me, who else?

[Anonymous No.2685584]

>>2685578
>shitposters btfo
Not really, you just exposed yourselves, see >>2685579

Thanks for letting us know that if the poll suddenly shoots up and gives NO a majority it was cause you stuffed the votes, meaning that YES was truly what most of the community wanted. At 120 votes, this is more or less the accurate result of /ic/.

I see you getting more and more desperate with each post you make though. It seems you really are at the end of your rope.

[Anonymous No.2685585]

>>2685582
Pretty sure she said I was the best. You can prove me wrong in hangouts anytime.

[Anonymous No.2685590]

>>2685584
I'm not him, fuckin pedo :(

[Anonymous No.2685591]

>>2685584
you are grasping at straws pal, the same can be said for the yeses especially with that vocal tripfag

[Anonymous No.2685592]

[Anonymous No.2685593]

>>2685592
SHOO SHOO GAINS GOBLIN!

[Anonymous No.2685595]

>>2685591
What does a tripfag being vocal have anything to do with the results of the poll?

[Anonymous No.2685596]

>>2685595

try reading the thread
>t-the results are in!!!
he's desperate and wants this to happen (which it won't)

[Anonymous No.2685600]

>>2685596
So you're saying all 77 votes for YES are all from that tripfag?

What about my vote? I voted YES as well. I've been ITT from the start, and YES has been ahead pretty much all the way through.

[Anonymous No.2685601]

>>2685596
desu, the only person insisting that IDs won't happen for a myriad of reasons is you.

you're latching onto any excuse you can find to get what you want. If it really won't happen, then why even bother to post itt argue against ids?

[Anonymous No.2685602]

>>2685600
>So you're saying all 77 votes for YES are all from that tripfag?

I didn't 'say' that. It is in the realm of possibility that he is a big influence on the yes votes. If we factor that then the board is quite divided on Yes and No votes.

[Anonymous No.2685603]

>>2684832

Fuck flags, it's nothing but shitpost material and it's worse for anonymity than an ID if you're from an uncommon country.

Thread specific IDs would be excellent.

[Anonymous No.2685606]

>>2684860

>not giving an option for only flags or only IDs

I want only IDs but fuck flags entirely.

[Anonymous No.2685609]

>>2685601
The same can be said for you. Why are you SO worked up on IDs not becoming a thing? Why are you offended when I say it won't happen?

[Anonymous No.2685613]

Wow, /ic/ just has around 100 people. What's the fucking point of any change at all with those numbers? The only people that are left are the ones that picked browsing an imageboard before practicing art.

[Anonymous No.2685614]

>>2685613
Exactly see LAS as another example. At peak it was around 80 people tops (now less).

[Anonymous No.2685616]

>>2685602
But the only reason it seems divided is cause of a vocal minority. One look at the posters ITT will tells you there's a bunch of samefags on both ends. That doesn't mean its divided, that just means that two sides are arguing, and the people arguing for one side could be a very loud few vs a majority.

Ironically, having IDs would fix all this.

Just from looking at the getgo, you can see IDs get suggested multiple times by various posters, and the moment the poll went up, YES was in the lead pretty much all the way through.

In addition, from a rational standpoint, I've yet to hear a valid argument against having IDs. Just from looking at the thread, most of the NO camp seemed to speculate and shitpost, while many reasonably arguments were put forth by the YES camp.

It was only when that tripfaggot brought up the poll (which he shouldn't have), that the NO camp started to derail the thread and question not only the validity of the poll, but also the metathread as well.

If you look at all the evidence, the YES camp seems to be the correct choice, regardless of the final poll results.

I'd say, if anyone is grasping at straws here man, it's you.

[Anonymous No.2685621]

>>2685609
when did I say I was offended?

[Anonymous No.2685623]

>>2685603
>>2685606
Updated poll

https://strawpoll.de/4ard5y9

Be sure to check the thread after the bump limit for further evaluations and voting.

[Anonymous No.2685625]

The only reason you guys are still bickering over a worthless poll and decrying each other for samefagging is because you all post in generals too much.

You're all debating on resolving the symptoms while completely ignoring the cause.

[Anonymous No.2685629]

>>2685614
The reality is that most of us are stepping stones for the ones that will make it. This isn't a heavy competetive place and it won't become one, even with IDs. This is just a place to waste some time on with an art related flavor. I mean there is no point of almost all threads. If you want to improve you can go to the 3 threads that focus on that topic.

[Anonymous No.2685630]

>>2685621
When did I say "I am latching onto any excuse I can find to get what I want"?

[Anonymous No.2685631]

>>2685630
that's what you're doing. you don't need to say it.

[Anonymous No.2685633]

>>2685613

What do you base that on? The people who voted in the strawpoll, or some other statistic?

If you're basing it on the strawpoll you're a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.2685634]

>>2685616

ID's, for the last time before this thread hits bump limit, will not fix your personal issues of not taking a joke from other anons/manning up. I think this is a problem with being raised by single mothers. People who vote yes don't have thick skin because they were raised by their mothers alone.

ID's cannot fix your broken past.

[Anonymous No.2685636]

>>2685623
voted for ID

[Anonymous No.2685637]

>>2685629
And those threads need IDs due to all the shitposting from faggots like you who don't draw, and only come for the drama, and "art-flavoured discussion." Title of the board clearly says "ARTWORK/CRITIQUE" not "art-flavored discussion, drama, and shitposting." YOU are part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.2685639]

>>2685637
fuck off to discord if you want no drama this is 4chan

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

[Anonymous No.2685643]

>>2685639
/ic/ wasn't always like the way it is now. It's a consequence of bottling people into more and more generals, plus having more people overall, resulting in the loss of the small board atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.2685644]

>>2685634
What the fuck are you talking about?

And again. You've yet to present a reasonable argument, you merely attack the oppostion. All this tells me is that you don't want IDs so you can keep shitposting, especially if we look at the content of your post.

In addition, that same argument was the most common NO argument seen ITT, meaning, they were probably all you, meaning, that like I speculated, NO is just a vocal minority of people who wanna shitpost.

You're not doing you case any favors man.

IDs can't fix "my broken past" but they can fix this board by making it more difficult for people like you to samefag and get away with it.

[Anonymous No.2685645]

>>2685637
You have your drawthread and beginner thread. That's the only places on this board that are for the matter you want and those threads are totally fine. The rest is for chilling with an art theme flavor and nothing more. If you want to improve you stay with the beginner thread or the draw thread or get to the artbook thread. If you browse beyond that you don't want to improve, you just want an excuse to not draw but feel like you're still on topic.

Why are you in this thread to begin with? Because you don't want to draw, you want to shitpost with an art related topic to not feel too shit about your miserable existence.

[Anonymous No.2685647]

>>2685639
>>2685634
NO voters in a nutshell.

Just give us IDs please, I'm so sick and tired of shit like this. I wish these jackasses would just fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2685648]

>>2685634

>ID's cannot fix your broken past.

ok anon

Things IDs will fix:
>samefags pretending to be different people
>people accusing multiple posters of being samefags to invalidate their argument
>misunderstandings on who said what during longer discussions, misapplying one anon's argument to another anon
>anons pretending to be an artist in a thread (such as someone posting his work and somebody else pretending to be him acting defensive) to cause a shit-flinging contest

There are multiple reasons to have them and the main reason stated to avoid them is "but I want to shitpost and like samefagging, toughen up."

[Anonymous No.2685649]

>>2685645
I only post in the draw threads, but shitposters post everywhere.

I'm posting here, because I want IDs so samefagging shitposters can fuck off back to their drama threads, and leave the critique for critique.

[Anonymous No.2685650]

>>2685647
>my feelings were hurt officer get him
yes voters in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.2685651]

>ID will fuck maldraw or Kyle samefaging

[Anonymous No.2685652]

I'd like /ic/ to be for sharing art, critique, and recourse sharing.

The artbook and reference threads are really the only thing that keeps me coming back to this shithole


If there was any way possible to start promoting threads about anons sharing art techniques that would be really useful as well, and constructive to the community.

Ban all dramaposters. Tired of one or two autists sperging over literally who twitter/tumblr/instagram artists no one cares about. i.e "why does this 15 year old weeb on deviantart have more followers than me! ):"

[Anonymous No.2685654]

reached the bump limit real fast

>42 unique ids

[Anonymous No.2685655]

>>2685648
This. We don't need any polls. One quick look at this thread clearly shows and voices both camps, and gave both parties their chance to present reasonable arguments. The people who want NO squandered it all away by shitposting.


How to fix /ic/, thread IDs /thread.

[Anonymous No.2685656]

>>2685649
Then request IDs for only the drawthread and not for everything since all your problems are only related to that place.

[Anonymous No.2685657]

>>2685656
Why does it matter? Having IDs in your drama threads doesn't harm them in any way. Fuck off shitposter, you're not wanted here.

[Anonymous No.2685659]

>>2685656

How, exactly, do you think you can institute IDs to some threads on a board and not others?

Shitposters infest every thread and every thread would benefit from IDs.

[Anonymous No.2685660]

>>2685657
Why are you so angry? You realize this is a /qa/ shitposting thread, right? Your opinion is taken with a lick of salt.

[Anonymous No.2685661]

>YES camp won the poll
>YES camp won the debates

/thread

/ic/ needs IDs, shitposters be damned. Pass this onto Hiro OP.

[Anonymous No.2685663]

>>2685651
Malaysia is the one kylespamming.

[Anonymous No.2685664]

>>2685657
You can respond to everyone with shitposters if this makes you comfortable. I see this place for what it really is. A time wasting board with an art themed flavor with some minor places that are for serious people.

[Anonymous No.2685665]

>>2685660
Bump limit's been reached. We're getting IDs, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.2685667]

>>2685661
this

[Anonymous No.2685668]

Okay boys, good. Now what?
There is no janitor in /ic/ to even read this thread lmao
You're just wasted your time. I'm downloading NMA videos at least

[Anonymous No.2685669]

>>2685664
Ok shitposter. You won't be able to come here to do that anymore though. This is a critique board, and some of us want to FIX the problems, ergo you getting the fuck out of here. Hence the thread.

[Anonymous No.2685670]

>>2685664

>Why clean up my disgusting, rank, bug infested bedroom when I understand that it's a disgusting, rank, bug infested bedroom?

Saying "I already know it's shit" isn't an argument against making it less shit.

[Anonymous No.2685671]

>>2685668
>There is no janitor in /ic/
feels bad man

[Anonymous No.2685672]

>>2685665

In your dreams, single mommy raised kid.

[Anonymous No.2685673]

>>2685668
>I'm downloading NMA videos at least
How'd you do that?

[Anonymous No.2685674]

>>2685668
>now what
Results have been passed onto Hiro already, and the janitor's been here to see all this. You'd know if you'd read the thread.

[Anonymous No.2685678]

>>2685669
You spend hours of your life on this debate, you're like me just here for the art flavor and not because you're serious. Your actions speak louder than your words. I don't even give a shit about IDs, I just call this place for what it is. Nothing will change it.

[Anonymous No.2685679]

>Both polls had YES overwhelming NO
>b-but it was rigged
Way to get btfo NOfags. Lol.

[Anonymous No.2685680]

>>2685674

>Results have been passed onto Hiro already, and the janitor's been here to see all this. You'd know if you'd read the thread.

An anon said in allcaps "I'LL PASS THIS ONTO HIRO" and that's basically it. Don't be naive enough to hear one randm anon say he'll take it up the ladder and just assume Hiro will immediately leap into action.

[Anonymous No.2685682]

>>2685529
>WHERE DOES THIS HAPPEN? Seriously. Where the fuck does this EVER happen?

Every day on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.2685685]

>>2685673
downloadhelper
works only for mozilla
>>2685674
>there is no even /qa/ thread
LMAO

[Anonymous No.2685686]

>>2685680
Hope you enjoy having IDs in a couple weeks :^)

Ahh man, what a bliss this place will be without shitposters. I can't wait.

[Anonymous No.2685687]

>>2685680

Hiro is also not stupid enough to believe a one-sided pol that can be manipulated.

[Anonymous No.2685689]

>>2685685
>there's not even a /qa/ thread
Yes there is, it was posted ITT already. Like with all the boards' meta threads.

[Anonymous No.2685691]

>>2685685
>downloadhelper
>works only for mozilla
Sweet, thanks anon, will try.

[Anonymous No.2685692]

>>2685687
Yeah, him and the janitors can just read the thread and see that the NOfags were all shitposters anyway.

[Anonymous No.2685693]

>>2685678
>Nothing will change it.
Moot cracked down on /cgl/ a while back for being nothing but female /r9k/ and dramaposting with a cosplay overcoat. Almost like how /ic/ is now. After a few months of rigorous modding the place is still relatively on-topic to this day.

I think /ic/ can improve if the janitors/mods decided to give a shit.

[Anonymous No.2685694]

>>2685689
This thread is mess >>2684847. Jesus. Contact with Hiro in twitter. I did this in nipple mod /a/ case. It works

[Anonymous No.2685695]

>>2685694
Why did I dream about this post a couple of days ago

[Anonymous No.2685697]

>>2685695
Solipsism is real. I'm just part of your imagination.

[Anonymous No.2685702]

Lol

>Post is made in /qa/ with the results:
>>>/qa/681943
>suddenly the NO votes climb up 10 votes
Shitposters are getting desperate.

[Anonymous No.2685712]

>>2685694
Just sent it to him on twitter, don't worry. We're getting IDs.

[Anonymous No.2685716]

>>2685712
I would settle for just heavier moderation on all shitposting/drama threads but IDs will probably force people to self moderate a lot more.

[Anonymous No.2685718]

Meta thread results on /qa/
>>>/qa/681974

Hopefully something happens

[Anonymous No.2685720]

>>2685712
Just stop. I'm going to write a lengthy letter to him explaining how you're rigging the poles to get your way.

[Anonymous No.2685737]

>>2685720
Do whatever you want. Results are in, and in his hands.

[Anonymous No.2685740]

>>2685686

I'm also pro-ID, you're just being naive and more than a bit of a smug shithead who's deluding himself on a vain hope that Hiro will take one look at a hastily thrown together strawpoll from a single thread probably dumped into an overflowing email inbox filled with hundreds of other similar requests from every board on 4chan (and hundreds of others asking for them to be removed on the boards they're on) and go "oh werr itu seemsu rike /ic/ rearry wants IDs I'll do that righto now!"

[Anonymous No.2685743]

>>2685686

It's also pretty fucking rich you've deluded yourself into thinking shitposters will vanish overnight with IDs, seeing as some of 4chan's worst boards have IDs.

[Anonymous No.2685749]

>>2685740
>>2685743

[Anonymous No.2685750]

>>2685749

Well argued. Are you sure you're not the one shitposting here, anon?

Do you plan on leaving once IDs are - ostensibly inevitably - implemented?

[Anonymous No.2685751]

>>2685639
wew

[Anonymous No.2685752]

>>2685639
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.2685753]

>>2685740
Well, clearly someone is listening >>2685639

[Anonymous No.2685754]

>>2685750
Not him but IDs are a false sense of security. The worst shitposters and drama starters often just jump IPs, primarily on phones, when they get banned or even just after every post. It's a hollow solution at best. I'm more in favor of a "No Drama" rule like /cgl/ has. That will can even blatant samefagging.

[Anonymous No.2685757]

>>2685754
No drama rule+ID will curb everyone but the most pathetic lifeless losers to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.2685759]

>>2685754
The post I made on /qa/, which I also screencapped and sent to Hiro on twitter said:

>IDs and flags to ward of samefags and shitposters, this is critical for critique threads
>Do away with Drama threads in order to foster a more productive community
>More and stricter moderation so that reports are handled properly

And it seems mods have listened seeing >>2685639

All three of those combined will make /ic/ a better community.

[Anonymous No.2685765]

IDs are historically a last resort where activity on a board can be extremely suspect. They are a terrible idea. Flags encourage shitposting.

Anyhow, my biggest piece of feedback is to change the name of the board. It should still be /ic/ but not /ic/ - Artwork/Critique. "Artwork" means anything, it's as broad a board topic as "Random", but we mostly care about drawing, painting and sculpting here. Maybe some arts and crafts here and there. But crossies don't realize this and post their writing (which should go to /lit), music (/mu/), videos (/trash/), and a lot of graphic design (/gd/) that has to be reported and removed. Also "critique" tends to make people start threads exclusively for their own work to ask for critique, not realizing they'd be better served in more eternal threads. The board title should be /ic/ - Drawing and Sculpture or something similar.

If the sticky is to be changed at all, I think changing it to something like /wg/'s would be good. That is to say "New to /ic/? Let's get you started... We already have a Beginner Thread, Comic/Anime Thread, we already have a Porn Thread. Book Thread. Etc." Let people know the sort of staple resources /ic/ and its users provide and direct people to them first so there's more concentrated users that can help each other out.

I half think that the catalog should go from 10 pages to 5 just to concentrate users more and discourage junk threads but obviously that's a major change and not one that'd be necessary if all else would work out.

Overall I think /ic/ is a good board, its problems mainly lie in new users that come here with the same shit all the time and post without lurking. /ic/ has a bad case of eternal summer syndrome that way, which is why I think a few changes to board title and sticky could really alleviate those problems.

[Anonymous No.2685770]

>>2685765
Oh yeah, forgot about the sticky.

Please Hiro, mods, jannies, whoever, for christ's sake, change it to the new one we made ages ago: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit

[Anonymous No.2685771]

>>2685765
No, it's a critique board, and critique should stay on the title. Artwork is many things, but writing and music are hardly ever posted and when they are, are redirected to their proper boards. The only music threads allowed on here are the "what do you listen to while you draw" threads, which are perfectly acceptable, as it's part of the community sharing with each other.

Comics are also fine, whether they be for critique or inspiration. When we post games, we don't look at them to read or discuss a story, we look at their composition, and creation, or to admire their art, all of which are fine here.

The problems with /ic/ lie within samefags and shitposters, as well as people who believe that this is a place to discuss drama, or shit on artists who are famous or successful in order to "expose" them. /ic/ is for NONE of those things, and none of them fall under "CRITIQUE" which again, is a huge part of the forum. This is a board for art learning, and all things related to artwork, as well as critique of your own art. It says so in the title, and it says so in the description.

None of your suggestions do anything to address the major problems plaguing this board, despite your criticism of IDs. If anything, changing the title as you've suggested it would only encourage MORE shitposters to come around, as it bends the definition of this place from its original purpose.

[Anonymous No.2685772]

>>2685765
>post their writing (which should go to /lit), music (/mu/), videos (/trash/), and a lot of graphic design (/gd/) that has to be reported and removed
This is such an infinitesimally small issue and I'd rather have someone post their graphic design here than tolerate more petty drama threads, which is constituting a greater and greater portion of /ic/. It's becoming pre-purge /cgl/-tier.

>>2685765
>I half think that the catalog should go from 10 pages to 5 just to concentrate users more and discourage junk threads but obviously that's a major change and not one that'd be necessary if all else would work out.

This seems like a good idea though. /ic/ is so slow and most threads just linger around way longer than necessary. This is exacerbated by bait threads pushing decent threads down the tube.

[Anonymous No.2685773]

>>2685771
>games
comics*
Fuck, I guess it's time I hit the hay.

[Anonymous No.2685777]

>>2685771
>The problems with /ic/ lie within samefags and shitposters, as well as people who believe that this is a place to discuss drama, or shit on artists who are famous or successful in order to "expose" them. /ic/ is for NONE of those things, and none of them fall under "CRITIQUE" which again, is a huge part of the forum. This is a board for art learning, and all things related to artwork, as well as critique of your own art. It says so in the title, and it says so in the description.

This is what the core problem is on here. /ic/ should be for getting criticism as well as a place to find resources to improve, not a place to gossip.

[Anonymous No.2685778]

>>2685639
Holy shit. He's alive. It's better than smug loli.

[Anonymous No.2685780]

>>2685771
I'm not saying remove critique from /ic/ you have completely misconstrued that. I'm saying having it in the board title causes new users to make threads just to have their work critiqued which is inefficient for everyone. Critique is necessary, but you'll get better critique posting in the same threads as everyone else.

Yes drama/cringe are off topic, how many boards deal with them without IDs? Most. That's just a need for more moderation monitoring and a reminder to users to report those kinds of threads (rule of thumb: if the OP is naming names it's a drama thread).

Also
>but writing and music are hardly ever posted and when they are
Is simply untrue. There are atleast a few threads made per day where people post off topic art. Yes they are redirected, but it'd be better if they weren't posted at all.

[Anonymous No.2685781]

>>2684829
+1 for flags and IDs. IDs will help me engage with anons in a thread even if they don't link to my posts. And flags will let me distinguish if an anon just doesn't have english as a first language or they're just retarded.

Also, a new Sticky.

Also, turn some of the Generals into rolling Stickies. /beg/, /rtd/, /csg/, Question threads, Artbook threads, Self Promotion threads, etc., could all be turned into rolling Stickies instead of creating new ones each time.

[Anonymous No.2685782]

>>2685780
>There are atleast a few threads made per day where people post off topic art.
There is no way to stop those threads. Just hide.

[Anonymous No.2685783]

This very well may be the beginning of the end, most of you have over inflated ego's and cannot control emotions so if one of you gets to be jannitor it would in rampant banning and heavy moderation because of hurt fee-fee's.

I might as well get banned for posting this since it does not conform to the status quo you are implementing a SJW like gulag and social marxism tier political correctness.

You will rue the day you implemented this system of moderation and tagging with ID's. Enjoy your new Neo-Deviant art and Tumblr-esque, Reddit tier circle jerk hugbox environment faggots.

[Anonymous No.2685784]

It would be nice if we had threads were anons just post their own techniques without solicitation so we can all learn from eachother.

There used to be more community oriented threads on here (i.e, progress threads, color pallet threads) but they're completely gone now.

[Anonymous No.2685785]

>>2685781
These are all good suggestions. Where were you when we needed you? These should have made it into the final consensus.


Go post your suggestions in the /qa/thread >>2685718

[Anonymous No.2685787]

>>2685783
Don't let the door hit you on the way out weeb shitposter.

[Anonymous No.2685789]

>>2685784
There gone because shitposters have chased off all the decent artists.

>>2685783
>User was banned for this post
Make it happen mods.

[Anonymous No.2685790]

>>2685783
>not letting malaysia samefag his 3rd kyle thread of the day makes /ic/ neo-tumblr

[Anonymous No.2685791]

>>2685783

[Anonymous No.2685793]

>>2685783
This is definitely a /pol/ and /a/ crossposter. Probably one of the fags responsible for ruining the Alternative threads. In other words: "the problem."

Faggots like you one don't belong in /ic/. You can take your politics and your avatarfagging and your drama back to /pol/ where it belongs thank you very much, you're not welcome here.

[Anonymous No.2685798]

>>2685789
The decent artists might come back if they weren't worried that as soon as they are associated with this place they won't get smeared by jellyfags with no life.

If /ic/ actually had mods who tried to cultivate good board culture instead of letting it fester until one begrudgingly has to come over and delete the ">tfw drawing with a buttplug in your buypucci" after 3 days and 20 reports.

We might actually get a slow but decent board.

[Anonymous No.2685806]

>Results are in
>Thread hit bump limit already
>no one is voting anymore
>NO votes are still climing while everything else stays the same
>Up by 30 votes already
>170 voters, on a board with traffic of about 100

Let this serve as evidence of WHO exactly rigged the poll.

[Anonymous No.2685810]

>>2685806
/qa/ shitposters

[Anonymous No.2685811]

>>2685798
Well, that's why IDs and heavier moderation are a necessity at this point.

Good artists don't give a fuck about staying totally anonymous, since they already have blogs where they post all their work. The problem are the jellyfags and the shitposters who don't draw and samefag.

[Anonymous No.2685817]

>>2685810
/qa/ thread is dead. Plus, if it was /qa/ shitposters, then all three would be climbing up, or rather, the lowest and pointless 3rd option, since that's 4chan trolling nature.

This is clearly the work of one buttmad NOfag from this thread that is pissed YES won and mods are taking action, that he's trying to invalidate the poll by stuffing NO votes.

[Anonymous No.2685821]

any other suggestions or ideas don't forget to post it in the official /qa/ thread here >>2685718

[Anonymous No.2685822]

>>2685817
This was an unofficial poll, if you are serious about it ask a mod to sticky a thread with a poll and make it official.

[Anonymous No.2685827]

>>2685817
In other words, Malaysia.

[Anonymous No.2685830]

>>2685822
Fuck off Malaysia. Mods will put the ban on you once you're easier to track with flags and IDs.

[Anonymous No.2685831]

>>2685821
>IDs
>moderation that heavily punishes drama posters and gossip blogging
>update the sticky
>promote user interactive threads like compilation/progress threads
>rangeban the entire country of malaysia

[Anonymous No.2685832]

>>2685822
>Give me a new poll so I can rig it from the start and this time say NO won right from the getgo
Yeah, no, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2685834]

>>2685831
THIS

[Anonymous No.2685835]

>>2685822
Found the ballot stuffer.

[Anonymous No.2685838]

>>2685831
Perfect.

[Anonymous No.2685843]

>>2685835
>>2685832
>>2685830
>all this blatant damage control

Do you faggots realize that by replying to me with the intent of discrediting my post makes you look suspiciously guilty?

You know I am right about this being an unofficial poll, this poll is at best an opinion from a very loud but small group of minorities that does not represent the board.

Obligatory smug animu reaction image to increase the gravity and attention of the situation. Make an official poll you colossal faggots.

[Anonymous No.2685849]

>>2685843
Fuck off to >>>/pol/ already.

[Anonymous No.2685853]

>>2685843
can you shut up
i want this.

[Anonymous No.2685854]

>>2685849
>Oh no! S-someone is arguing with me how DARE they disagree
>m-must be from /pol/!

>>2685853
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.2685856]

>>2685831
The problem with that last bit is that MalDraw posts on popular boards like /a/ /v/ etc. And rangbanning Malaysia in general is a negative since there are other people from Malaysia as well. Just report his ass since ge's evading anyway though without bringing him up in threads. He thrives on attention and it's off-topic anyway, good intentions or not

[Anonymous No.2685868]

>>2685843
>NO's results more than doubled in the last 30 minutes
>after the results were announced
>on a poll that's been open all day

Or you could just, you know, stop stuffing the poll. We all know it's you. Only 45 IDs ITT, and you've been here all thread, loudly arguing against IDs, and blatantly shitposting. Besides, I thought you were gonna write Hiro a letter about how mad you were that we were getting IDs. I dunno why you're bothering to stuff the polls after I already sent the results to him on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.2685871]

I hope we got id's and flags soon.

[Anonymous No.2685872]

>>2685868
Whoop, forgot screencap.

[Anonymous No.2685874]

>>2685868
I can assure you that I got to this thread well after the polls started and have just recently started to voice my thoughts and give my input on this train wreck.

[Anonymous No.2685875]

>>2685874
Sure you have anon.

Funny how the poll started getting stuffed "just recently" as well, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.2685876]

I'd say I vote no for obvious reasons. Looks like the final votes are in and I agree with them.

as what another poster said the other anons for IDs look just as suspicious as the ones who vote NO. I say we should do another poll by the mod if we're serious about this as this thread kinda filled up too big to be all that accurate.

[Anonymous No.2685879]

>>2685876
You can stop samefagging Malaysia, we know it's you. Results have already been tweeted to Hiro with a screencap of the poll when it finalized. It's too late.

[Anonymous No.2685887]

>>2685854
>whining about muh social marxism muh SJW gulangs
Why even try to hide it, /pol/ack? Are you that fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.2685888]

>>2685887
>/pol/ack
>smug anime faces
>BLATANT samefagging
>shitposts and insults people
>vehemently against IDs
>stuffed the ballot with NOs
If it wasn't obvious it was Malaysia/Maldraws all along, it should be now. Even his posting style is similar.

[Anonymous No.2685890]

>>2685888
Yup, it's hilarious how much he's struggling

[Anonymous No.2685894]

Guys it's not MalDraw. He'd have been nuked a while ago since mods are aware he's a chronic evader

[Anonymous No.2685895]

>>2685879
Stop being so paranoid. I'm not the person you are talking about and a mod can see that I'm not from Malaysia. I get off work late and just found this thread not too long ago, voiced my opnion with a no, and that is that. I also agree with the others how YOU guys are acting suspicious.


neither sides are on the right side, and that is why I agree with having an official pol. I will repeat myself, I am not that other anon.

[Anonymous No.2685896]

>>2685894
Mods are sleeping or Mikufag gone insane

[Anonymous No.2685899]

>>2685887
>Why even try to hide it

I am not hiding anything, I voiced my opinion on this matter and as for these "insults" I don't think of it being an insult instead its telling it the way it is.

You cannot cope with people disagreeing with you. You conjure up some form of conspiracy theory that someone from Malaysia is samefagging against your favor. You base your arguments on feelings instead of facts.

Nevertheless, if /ic/ starts to have ID's and increased Moderation I am still going to harp on you faggots.

[Anonymous No.2685902]

>>2685899
Feel free to harp as long as the criticism is legit.

[Anonymous No.2685907]

>>2685899
the mods should wrap their head around this malaysia boogieman thing and decide to either be in his favor or against him.
looks like the shitposters are using him to get a free ticket to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.2685920]

>>2685907
>looks like the shitposters are using him to get a free ticket to shitpost.

This is precisely what is occurring, they pretend to be victimized when in fact they use him as a form of excuse to shitpost, discredit, disrupt and even besmirch others who are supposedly associated with the Malaysian poster.

In reality this person from Malaysia serves as an example of what you can do with your work you can either feel sorry for yourself and remain insecure and in-confident or throw your name out there and make a couple of Shekels.

Now that I think about it, it seems that these people are legitimately jealous and use the Malaysian poster in any opportunity to shitpost with.

His work maybe beginner to /ic/'s standards but he is making something out of it meanwhile we have bitter Artists making threads about Shadman.

[Anonymous No.2685958]

>>2685920
Not that I don't believe that's whats going on but you're giving the guy way too much credit. He is an evader and is ban on sight

[Anonymous No.2685962]

>>2685958
you can stop shitposting now.

[Anonymous No.2686178]

>>2684832
>FLAGS AND IDS

I get IDs but Flags are a retarded idea beyond belief, it has spawned more memes than anything else on /pol/, some of them being.

>POO IN THE LOOO
>SWEDEN YES
>PAY DENBTS

People actually judge you for the country you come from and I'm sure most boards have their fair share of /pol/tards waiting for a chance to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.2686194]

>>2686178
And if that happens, then you ban the people that post that. That's why heavier moderation is part of it. It's already against the rules to shitpost. It's only problematic when people use "critique" as an excuse to be cunts and samefag.

[Anonymous No.2686201]

>>2685920

No that is NOT what is going on. I can assure you that guy probably doesn't even know this thread exists. Miku is long banned from this site. Neither of those 2 have any involvement in this matter. Its you guys being paranoid or blacklisting anyone who disagrees with you with 2 infamous shitposters on pol to paint anyone against IDs as super bad guys because Mods are well aware of these people. You keep mentioning them in hopes that they will listen to you instead.

There is no "free" ticket to shitpost. You are making stuff up for no reason on baseless accusations. I have no blood on maldraws or miku either so if I ever mention them it has NOTHING to do with using their name as some fictions get away free card or whatever you say.

[Anonymous No.2686310]

>>2686194
>Let's create more unnecessary problems and then try to fix them by enforcing stricter moderation
Do you just want an excuse to turn /ic/ into a heavily moderated circlejerk? There are already plenty of communities that provide the kind of environment you're longing for, so why go through so much effort to change this one to suit your fancies?

[Anonymous No.2686326]

>>2686310
>waah, I just wanna shitpost. This is 4chan!! Reddit told me I can shitpost here.

[Anonymous No.2686428]

>>2686194
>problematic

[Anonymous No.2686457]

>wake up
>no IDs
Wasted. It was pointless

[Anonymous No.2686515]

>>2686457
>wake up
>week old kyle thread still on page 1.

There are no mods here. I don't think anyone is even listening let alone debating implementing IDs.

[Anonymous No.2686533]

>>2686457
>pointless
nah it was funny to see the shitposters run around like headless chickens

[Anonymous No.2686584]

>>2686533
This. Seeing them get in a tussle to the point they started rigging the poll, over the possibility they wouldn't be able to shitpost as easily anymore was worth it.

[Anonymous No.2686855]

>>2686194
>And if that happens, then you ban the people that post that.

[Anonymous No.2688042]

/v/, please fucking go and stay go. reddit, kill yourself. this is an actually decent board and no one wants your garbage here. meta is the last thing this board needs. its fine the way it is.

saged, reported, called the cops and phoned my superiors.