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2684582 No.2684582 [Reply] [Original]

When will computing advance to a level where we can create a 'hand draw' style and aesthetic digitally?

>> No.2684587

Bad news buddy, but japs still hand-draw their animation for the most part.

That's just the current style of anime being inferior

>> No.2684604

I honestly can't tell which one is supposed to be the superior version

>> No.2684608

We are perfectly capable of doing that and has been for quite a while.

It's just that no one wants to do that.

>> No.2684610

>>2684587
They're actually moving to digital or at least the new generations are.

>> No.2684611

>>2684587
wadddya mean

>> No.2684627

>>2684582
>Why does no digitally-made cartoon want to add a filter over it so it looks grain-y and more diluted?

Because everyone has an HD TV now and not being crisp on those looks like shit.

>> No.2684629

It's already possible, you just need a good algorithm, not more power.

>> No.2684632

>>2684608
>We are perfectly capable of doing that and has been for quite a while.
proof?

>> No.2684634

>>2684627
old pokemon and simpsons look better than their recent renditions

>> No.2684636

Why are you guys making shit up?

>>2684608
>We are perfectly capable of doing that and has been for quite a while.

Nope. Link to example please.

>>2684629

>it's already possible

No, it isn't. Link to example please.

Paperman by Disney is the closest thing we've got so far and the technology still has a long way to go.

>> No.2684637

>>2684608
>>2684632
You tell me what we can't do with computers that we did without.

>> No.2684640

>>2684637
Meant to quote >>2684636

>> No.2684641

>>2684637
claymation?

try recreating the nightmare before christmas entirely digitally

>> No.2684644

>>2684641
OP is about "hand draw" style.

>> No.2684652

>>2684634
Because you're an artist and you think so. Your average whoever will think crisper = better. Much like how a kid would much rather play a modern Sonic game even if it's terrible because it has better graphics over one of the older games.

>> No.2684655

>>2684652
Normalfags truly are the cancer of the modern age.

>> No.2684658

>>2684636
>wants digital that looks like hand drawn
>thinks a 3d film with a paper texture overlay is the closest weve gotten

Paperman is still obvioisly 3d. Take a look at any animation done in tvpaint that uses their textured brushes. They look exactly like they were done in traditional media.

>> No.2684661

>>2684655
Ain't much different than you preferring Mario Kart for N64 over Pole Position as a wee lass.

>> No.2684680

>>2684636
>the technology still has a long way to go.
algorithms. not computing power.

>> No.2684700

>>2684644
Look at the post I'm responding to

>> No.2684702

>>2684680
Explain what you mean by algorithms

>> No.2684704

>>2684700
>what is context

>> No.2684705

>>2684610
Only the few studios who have the money to try and fail..... (see Ajin, Berserk)
To the large majority studios it's just a supplement (see Shirobako, percentage of NON-CG this season alone)

>> No.2684707 [DELETED] 

It's another /co/ style hand drawn animation vs digital thread #5893685967448964
>inb4 people post manga pages halfway in the thread
>inb4 people talk about 90s toonami and how it was soooo much better
>inb4 people complain about moe ruining the industry
>inb4 a one-sided discussion on how anime is better than it was years ago
etc etc etc, don't you fucks get tired of talking about the same shit every month?

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>> No.2684708

>>2684707
>going on 4chan expecting original discussion
What a retard.

>> No.2684709

>>2684707
It's different. The thread question is very simple you dramatic dickhead.

When will computers be able to replicate the style and aesthetic of hand drawn images?

>> No.2684710 [DELETED] 

>>2684708
It's already happening as I predicted >>2684705
>inb4 people post manga pages halfway in the thread
>some dork posts beserk
>slides the thread about styles
>then talks about moe

>> No.2684711

>>2684704
Your post is very unclear

>> No.2684713 [DELETED] 
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2684713

>>2684709
Oh I'm sorry the 2nd option is inu takehito my mistake a very popular sliding technique for these kinds of threads to initiate phase 1.

Why would you? Anime looks vastly more beautiful than in the past and if you disagree you're a faggot. The pokemon designs have been changed, sure, but pokemon anime is faaaaar more better than in the 90s (see x&y).

>> No.2684716

>>2684711
To an autist perhaps.

>> No.2684718

>>2684716
>You tell me what we can't do with computers that we did without.

Lol k.

>>2684713
Is that a hand drawn image?

>> No.2684719

>>2684710
I wasn't refuting any of your claims, I was just calling you a retard.

Retard.

>> No.2684720 [DELETED] 

>>2684719

Only I'm allowed to call people retards 'round here, retard.

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2684721

>>2684720

>> No.2684724 [DELETED] 

>>2684721

it's morning here not night

I want a bagel and cream cheese but no bagels or cream cheese

>> No.2684736

>>2684702
Algorithms are what the computer is programmed to do. They're the actual computations being done.
People need to research these and find ways to compute various things, it's not obvious or already out there. The problem is not computing power, which is what the OP post seems to imply. It doesn't exist because people haven't been doing research about it, not because the physical technology isn't there.
And honestly, it doesn't seem that hard, add some blur, some film grain, pick warmer colors, don't copypaste things everywhere... You could easily make the second frame here look like the first in Photoshop >>2684582

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2685018

>>2684634
Yester-year's flaws are today's marvel. See lens flare and chromatic aberration.

>> No.2685025

>>2685018
>inb4 compression artifacts become hot as everyone starts using 6231 dpi 1000 bandwidth holoscreens

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2685029

>>2685018
It's more to it than grain and shit though

>> No.2685039

>>2685029
Holy shit the difference is astounding.

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2685044

>this bullshit discussion again
It's not about the tools but about how you use them.
pic related is drawn 100% digitally.

If you are shit at a tablet it's your own lack of skill and adaptivity. Just use pen and ink then.

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2685048

>>2685044
And one more for good measure.

Also 100% digitally drawn.

>> No.2685051

>>2685029

That strikes me more as a product of animator laziness than technical limitations, though.

>> No.2685053

>>2685048
They look digital drawn tho

>> No.2685065

>>2685051
Yes but >>2685018 kinda implied the reason people think old Simpsons looks better is only due to nostalgia for the technical flaws

>> No.2685070

>>2685044
Stop whining, if you're tired of it don't read it.
It's that simple.

>> No.2685096

>>2684661
Degenerates like deluding themselves into thinking they are special when they are just as cancerous as the normalfags. Both are mindless consumers who are a cancer to industries. The markets are just different.

>> No.2685104

5 years? 10 max.

>> No.2685291

>>2685104
id say more like 20 - 30 years

>> No.2686262

>>2684582
There's actually a few guys who tried mimicking it. I don't have the image on me but there's one of Nu-Gundam that looks very close to the CCA movie.

>> No.2686270

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmkAcGz1BJk

This is a good example of deliberately going for a cel animated look digitally.

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2686274

>>2686270
>buy STANR art book to support the creators (and because I think it's rad ofc)
>it's read right-to-left, manga style

Ugh...

>> No.2686276

>>2684610
The majority isn't.

>> No.2686289

>>2684713
X and y looks like shit though

>> No.2686290

>>2685029
That's because of animator laziness and puppet rigging, doesn't have to do with the capabilities of a computer

>> No.2686292

>>2686290
Already replied to someone saying exactly what you say.

>> No.2686294

We already can. Try animating in TVpaint, it looks like it was drawn on paper, even toonboom doesn't look bad. The reason modern anime looks like this is becsuse it's easier and cheaper to havr lifeless lines, not to mention, coloring is easier

>> No.2686295

>>2686292
Opps, missed that, my bad

>> No.2686693

>>2684582
never

>> No.2686738

>>2684655
Bitch they've been cancer since the dawn of time. There's a reason that renaissance artists rarely had the opportunity to paint anything other than muh Jesus and portraits of richfags fat mistresses.

>> No.2686740

>>2684641
NBC wasn't claymation.

>> No.2686740,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>2685044
thats pretty cool

>> No.2688015

>>2685029
>>2685039
>>2685051
>>2686290

Side-note: This happened to shows like the Simpsons because their in-betweens are outsourced to cheap slave labor now.

They even had this fact explained in one of their intro skits.
Same thing happened to DBZ too.