/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2665419]

Can we talk about Nintendo on the fucking warpath for fanart?

[Anonymous No.2665422]

>>2665419
Fan art has always been illegal if you are profiting off it. I'm surprised more companies don't crack down on it harder especially when there's lewd things being produced. It's their property and they have every right to tell you to stop.

[Anonymous No.2665432]

>>2665419
We had this thread before
What doxy did falls into the porn parody category,
>harmful brand
if a full of shit argument, "offending" is not a legal defense, and they can do jack shit about it.

[Anonymous No.2665436]

>>2665422

There isn't really any proof that lewd fanart hurts business. I remember back in the day when people used to develop so called total conversions for Doom and Quake etc. based on popular franchises. Many were shut down for no good reason and only serves to piss people off. Fan created content can only help a IP grow.

[Anonymous No.2665440]

>>2665419
Fanart was never protected under fair use, doubly so if you're making a financial profit off said fanart. Make more original content if you don't want to have to deal with bullshit like that because every company has a right to stop you from profiting off their IPs. I don't care about Nintendo porn in the first place.

[Anonymous No.2665444]

>>2665419
>be multimillionaire corporation
>create trademark characters that people grew up with and know instantly
>here comes along someone who downright plagiarizes you and creates vulgar and sexual content based on trademark characters without consent

>Muh freedom of expression! Muh evil money grubbing corporations! Abloo bloo bloo

Nintendo has every right to track down anyone who downright steals their content and uses it to promote their sick and twisted fantasies. We're talking about assets here, Princess Peach is believe it or not a form of commodity that can be used create a story with that will sell for Nintendo it is not something for you to turn it into a sick belly inflation fetish material.

I am glad Nintendo is cracking down on you this is exactly the sort of enforcement we need to help prevent potential loss in capital due to a bunch of vermin trying to make a name out of themselves by stealing content from other well established and successful parties.

[Anonymous No.2665453]

>>2665444
What's really stupid about it all is that the IPs that have the most sexualized characters never get the most porn. It's always the least sexualized child friendly characters who get sexualized the most. It just goes to show you how deranged and full of man-children the smut community is.

[Anonymous No.2665456]

>>2665436
This. When Hasbro killed Fighting is Magic the pony fighting game for example they dealt their credibility with big-spending maremen a savage blow it never truly recovered from. Putting your fans on notice about IP infringement is stupid. Capcom showed the world how it's done when they co-opted the fan game "Mega Man vs. Street Fighter" and released it for free on their website. Obviously it can't be done with porn, but turning a blind eye to people innocently having a wank at your characters is certainly a better idea than clamping down on them.

[Anonymous No.2665459]

>>2665444
The problem is I would be more sympathetic if Nintendo didn't have the habit of being overprotective, taking down videos that even mention the title (even in passing like comparing a platformer to mario) and minor shit that they could probably have just let slide.

If it were a different company then I wouldn't feel this way.

[Anonymous No.2665460]

>>2665456
>turning a blind eye to people innocently having a wank at your characters is certainly a better idea

How is turning a blind eye on people "innocently" masturbating to a sexualized product that directly relates to a business that targets a group of people that are primarily underage kids a good idea?

Could you explain this?

[Anonymous No.2665479]

>>2665436
Dis
Having people talk about your IP only makes your brand known. There is no such a thing as bad publicity
Second,
>>2665422
>>2665440
You are fucking stupid. Fair use is unrelated to the profit or respect of a brand. You can sell stuff that gives it a bad name, but you can't give for free stuff that doesn't fall under it.
>use a work in order to poke fun at or comment on the work itself and satire, or comment on something else.
That means that you can use intellectual propriety names and alike even tho they do not benefit in some way to the owners. That's how they got away with stuff like pic related, they do fall in the category of fair use and still to this does not have changed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_QWuyX8U18
PORN PARODIES can also be published legally thanks to this, regardless of the subject or the targeted audience of the original IP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmAmbS8cWS0
TL;DR: they can publish porn of nintendo legally
Third:
Acording to Lenz v. Universal Music Corp. case:
>copyright holders cannot order a deletion of an online file without determining whether that posting reflected "fair use" of the copyrighted material.
That means that until proven wrong, doxy does not have the obligation of deleting his artwork and neither Nintendo has the right of Deleting it (even under the DMCA: "fair use is classified as an 'affirmative defense,' we hold—for the purposes of the DMCA—fair use is uniquely situated in copyright law so as to be treated differently than traditional affirmative defenses. We conclude that because 17 U.S.C. § 107 created a type of non-infringing use, fair use is “authorized by the law” and a copyright holder must consider the existence of fair use before sending a takedown notification under § 512(c)").
Fourth:
He is stupid for deleting it if he did, and stopping doing artwork. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY (14:06 and 27:09)

[Anonymous No.2665487]

>>2665479
Good post.

[Anonymous No.2665488]

>>2665444
>downright steals their content
Guess everyone who uses a poetic justice version of hell owes Dante some money too.

[Anonymous No.2665489]

>>2665444
I love you not-gonna-make-it girl!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.2665492]

>>2665460
I lost my virginity to a picture of the main characters from Sailor Moon tongue fucking each other and it only made me appreciate the IP more. Paying someone to seek out and destroy casual IP infringement like silly porn pictures is bad enough, but Nintendo has recently been clamping down on youtubers and things like that. As much as I think that your typical youtube guy is an unfunny faggot of the highest order, they are actively alienating their fanbase by persecuting them or fan developers for example. It is not worth either the potential cost of pissing off your fans nor is it worth the cost of having a dedicated employee or employees sending out gag orders to some gay furry named doxy drawing Princess Peach taking a big dinger.

I say this as a person who actually agrees with IP law in many cases. I don't think someone should be able to mass produce products of Nintendo's characters like plushies or t-shirts without their consent or be able to produce bootleg wii-u games out in the open or whatever, but going after your fans for jerking off or making a fan project or something like that is dumb af.

[Anonymous No.2665496]

>>2665492
>I lost my virginity to a picture
masturbating doesn't count

[Anonymous No.2665507]

>>2665496
kekk
>>2665492
nobody gives a shit if you think porn parodies will help nintendo, and if nintendo wants to spend their resources on removing this shit off the internet, it is within their right and thats their problem, not yours. if they are wasting a lot of money doing that. its their problem not yours.

[Anonymous No.2665510]

>>2665479
>being this fucking retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBsTUjd910

[Anonymous No.2665512]

>>2665510
Thanks to you I fell like. A nobuddy I'm starting to dislike art and my. Own. Everytime I go on that site. It fells like I'm getting my life sucked out of me You didn't even give me a chance. I wanted to redemm myself. And show I'm not a bad person but since you banned me I lost a friend I lost most of my self-esteem. And I fell like giving up on art forever I'm a good guy. Plz give me a chance I will try my best to be good I mean it. dA user name is tails743 I really apologize For the way I acted when I was on there

[Anonymous No.2665530]

>>2665496

No shit, that was a pretty obvious joke.

>>2665507
Nothing you're saying contradicts what I'm saying, which is that their warpath against fan content creators is retarded and could have negative long-term consequences. Nintendo's self-destruction is something the rest of us should observe closely and beggars discussion amongst artists whom may find themselves in the rare position to find themselves in a similar situation, albeit on a smaller scale.

[Anonymous No.2665532]

>>2665510
>54:46
Jesus m8.
But seeing that title I will take a wild guess and say that:
>You can't do fan art of copyrighted material
And that's right, you can't, but there is a big ass * in that sentence

The keywords are "transformative" and "purpose".
You can't publish a barbie pic as a fan art, however, you can as long as it "changes (transforms)" to a related purpose (like information, parody, etc). As an example:
>Tom Forsythe appropriated Barbie dolls for his photography project "Food Chain Barbie" (depicting several copies of the doll naked and disheveled and about to be baked in an oven, blended in a food mixer, and the like), Mattel lost its copyright infringement lawsuit against him because his work effectively parodies Barbie and the values she represents (https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F3/353/353.F3d.792.01-57193.01-56695.html))

Just like I said, this falls into the parody category, which have been used to do "porn parodies": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmAmbS8cWS0

You can argue that the pic itself is not under fair use right now, but it can just by adding something like "princess bitch", or something in a humorous matter.

tl;dr: You can have your twilight sparkle picture with a big ass cock

[Anonymous No.2665536]

>>2665532
>>2665479
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmAmbS8cWS0
Also posting this nightmare fuel

[Anonymous No.2665540]

My question is; are people complaining about this to Nintendo or is Nintendo actively looking for it?

[Anonymous No.2665544]

>>2665532
Also, one of the mentioned set of pictures of "food chain barbie"

[Anonymous No.2665545]

>>2665496

No shit nigga, that was a pretty obvious joke.

t. actual non-virgin (unlike u~)

>>2665507
Nothing you're saying contradicts what I'm saying though, which is that their warpath against fan content creators is retarded and could have negative long-term consequences. Nintendo's actions are something the rest of us should observe closely and beggars discussion amongst artists whom may find themselves in a similar situation, albeit on a smaller scale. Any one of us with the talent and drive could potentially catch lightning in a bottle and create the next Mario, FNAF, Undertale or whatever. Discussion of what's the best thing to do with it if we had it, unlikely though it is, is perfectly valid.

[Anonymous No.2665586]

>>2665479
doxy deleted b/c tumblr will nuke your page irregardless of the law being on your side.
nintendo being litigious is shitty but the real problem is that hosting sites have become fucking spineless and don't protect their user's rights.
pokemon reorchestrated got dmca'd & the composer's youtube was deleted, patreon just updated their terms of service to disallow fanart

since this is all happening w/o actual lawsuits ever occurring, it's effectively happening outside of the law. fair use & freedom of speech don't mean a hell of a lot if no platform will host your content.

[Anonymous No.2665593]

>>2665586
>the real problem is that hosting sites have become fucking spineless and don't protect their user's rights.
>protect their user's rights.
That's not their job. It's their platform. If you don't like it, just leave. Tumblr is a shitty platform in the first place. Even Twitter is better. Or better yet, make your own website. But most faggots are too lazy to do that.

[Anonymous No.2665601]

>>2665593
>make your own website
this

[Anonymous No.2665609]

>>2665593
This is the kind of passivity that allows the growth of censorship and corporate control.

The worst part is, these kinds of people are too stupid and lazy to think that maybe they're right. That just because they can, it's totally right if they do. It's not. The world has more depth than that, faggot.

[Anonymous No.2665625]

>>2665601
>>2665593
>t-there's no problem with the media goy,
you can start a show on public access & say whatever you'd like!

defending the shitty actions of a multinational corporation is the highest form of cuckoldry

[Anonymous No.2665636]

>>2665609
>>2665625
lol

[Anonymous No.2665646]

>>2665636
10/10 argument bruh

[Anonymous No.2665647]

>>2665625
Taking it while begging them to stop instead of abandoning them and making your own seems like a higher form of cuckoldry tbhfam.

[Anonymous No.2665652]

>>2665419
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!XD

[Anonymous No.2665656]

>>2665436
>There isn't really any proof that lewd fanart hurts business

If you take money for lewd fanart that is the proof. Even if it is only a nickel it is still taking profit away the rightful owners. Since the lewd fanart uses the IP to market itself it is copyright infringement. You are infringing on their right to market by your selling of their IP.

You people are thieves, liars, swindles, cheats. You and your shitty art deserve no respect.

[Anonymous No.2665670]

It's a good thing Japs (outside of Nintendo and friends) don't give a damn about copyright.

Selling doujins of your favorite anime character getting fucked every which way, is seen as normal. Technically it's illegal, but they turn a blind eye because it's part of anime culture.

So the moral of the story here is, only make porn of Japanese properties.

[Anonymous No.2665674]

>>2665656
Nigga, do you even know about porn parodies? It's protected by law and they can't do shit. The only reason this shit happens is that tumblr is run by fags

[Anonymous No.2665676]

>>2665419
looks like your going to have to reply on your own OC to survive now BAHAHAHAHHAHH

[Anonymous No.2665683]

>>2665674
>The only reason this shit happens is that tumblr is run by fags
No, it happens because tumblr isn't entitled to uphold your stupid fetishes. They have every right to look out for themselves when it comes to legal actions. You aren't worth the court fees. The only fags are the people who complain about it instead of leaving the platform.

[Anonymous No.2665714]

>>2665674
>Nigga, do you even know about porn parodies
Nigga, do you? Hustler's parodies get approval. They don't make a parody of everything whenever they feel like it. They, like a legit business, go through the proper channels.

Nigga you see there is a reason that porn parodies are coming out of a limited venues. It's called doing business the right way. They get approval. They don't steal other people's ideas flat out like you would.

[Anonymous No.2665720]

>>2665683
>They get approval
of who?

[Anonymous No.2665721]

>>2665714
Most artists don't know the first thing about business. And when that bits them in the ass they want to play the victim instead of taking it as an opportunity to learn how to do shit the right way. They are really just retarded thieves that don't know how to do anything legitimately.

[Anonymous No.2665722]

>>2665444

>so speaketh the animeposter, stealing art from an anime to depict smugness on an imageboard

[Anonymous No.2665724]

>>2665720
ups, meant to >>2665714

[Anonymous No.2665729]

>>2665720
>>2665724
They get approval from the copyright holder. Who do you think?

[Anonymous No.2665736]

As long as more Japanese companies start doing it.

Can you imagine a world where people posting anime reaction pictures are sued off their ass because some nips don't want their brand associated with 4chan shitposting?

[Anonymous No.2665739]

>>2665729
So, what you are saying, is that if they are not aware of my creation (even if if fair use allows me to), and if the copyright holder doesn't like it (even if they may be wrong like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY or the multiple dmca abusing has taught us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVqFAMOtwaI )
I'm stealing from them and I'm a shitty person, right?

[Anonymous No.2665743]

>>2665736
That would be a glorious. It would the end of cancer threads.

[Anonymous No.2665744]

>>2665736
>>2665743
What?

That doesn't even happen to regular photos outside of The Fappening, an people still find ways to reach around that.

[Anonymous No.2665745]

>>2665729
>Fair use is a US legal doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders.
Fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.2665763]

>>2665739
>So, what you are saying, is that if they are not aware of my creation (even if if fair use allows me to),

1. No one said anything you thought on your own.
2. A crime unbeknownst is still a crime.
3. Fair use has legal classification, and your selling of pokemon lewd fanarts is clearly not it.

>I'm stealing from them and I'm a shitty person, right?

Yes. And here is why:

1. You deliberately go after the audience of the IP your fanart is tied too. You're basically a parasite here. You go into other peoples yard and set up shop.

2. You most likely sell to underage kids and try to use ignorance as an escape goat. You don't keep it private. You're sloppy at managing your audience.

3. You're not smart enough or creative enough to satirize or even uniquely criticize the IP you steal. You don't even have the balls to attache your real name to the work you do.

[Anonymous No.2665768]

>>2665745
selling porn of mario to kids who play mario is not anywhere near fair use, you fucking dipshit.

[Anonymous No.2665773]

>>2665763
>>2665768
You are just farming for (You)s, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.2665774]

>>2665773
at least i don't steal them

[Anonymous No.2665776]

>>2665768
They aren't selling it to actual kids though. They are selling it to manchildren. The kids just find it online since it's about the same IP.

[Anonymous No.2665782]

>>2665776
>They aren't selling it to actual kids though.
They sell to anyone willing to pay, kids included.

[Anonymous No.2665793]

Fans making art of something isn't the same as people drawing porn of a franchise just to cash in but they seem to fall under "fanart"

[Anonymous No.2665804]

>>2665782
They have no real way to ID their clients. It's kind of crooked from the start. They think the 18+ only warning actually works when it never does.

[Anonymous No.2665805]

>>2665419

It's like they want to be forgotten

[Anonymous No.2665806]

>>2665804
>They think the 18+ only warning actually works when it never does.

What are they going to do, ID their clients?

[Anonymous No.2665807]

>>2665805
>they
Who? Nintendo? The only people who really benefit from monetized fan-art are the people selling it. Real fans do it for free. That's the truth. Banning porn won't put Nintendo out of business.

[Anonymous No.2665811]

>>2665806
Allow payment only via credit card. It's that easy. Otherwise you're bound to just have kids paying for your shit. You're kind of stupid to expect honesty from people when it comes to porn.

[Anonymous No.2665813]

>>2665811

I don't think people expect honesty so much as "taking them at their word" whether you believe them or not, because there isn't a good way to be sure anyway. Even paying by credit card exclusively wouldn't fix that.

[Anonymous No.2665818]

>>2665813
It won't fix it completely but it's a much better filter.

[Anonymous No.2665822]

>>2665670
meanwhile, having pirated software on you or in any of your devices can land you in prison

Part of me thinks why there is such a small piracy scene in Japan, and why a lot of artists on pixiv use GIMP and other open source programs

[Anonymous No.2666047]

>>2665460
Nigga, you're too high on Tumblr.

[Anonymous No.2666091]

>>2665586
doxy didn't delete it, Tumblr removes the offending post then notifies you for it. Had this happen to me.

[Anonymous No.2666106]

>>2665532
Can someone link a picture to the porn images mylittledoxy removed? Because I feel like the whole "in not in the wrong because it was a porn parody!" Is bullshit and every artist are gonna use that for their smut

[Anonymous No.2666111]

>>2665652
This tb.h

[Anonymous No.2666115]

>>2666106
>Is bullshit and every artist are gonna use that for their smut

Why? Actual porn companies produce porn parodies of IPs and they're fine. It just has to be significant enough that a reasonable person wouldn't be mistaken in thinking that it was the original.

[Anonymous No.2666129]

>>2665488
Intelectual property right expires after 50 years you fucktard

[Anonymous No.2666179]

>>2666129
I was pointing out the ridiculousness of claiming your novel take on a trope is property.

[Anonymous No.2666191]

>>2666106
>Can someone make this argument for me
You are worse than the guy baiting in this thread

[Anonymous No.2666244]

Nitendo has every right to stop you from connecting lines or writing words that parodies their IP. You losers need to shut up and buy a Wii U because spanking you're monkey to squid fur is not going to boost their sales. Iwata Shiroshi can't make a living by being pay with used tissue paper of polluted crotch goo.

[Anonymous No.2666249]

>>2665419
First Youtube, then fan projects, then fanart.
Let them, they seem to not understand that the best way to handle these things is not to acknowledge them, their brand isn't getting hurt, they're not losing money, nobody thinks that porn is in anyway associated with them, they're just creating bad blood with the public.
Nintendo is so out of touch, just let them crash and burn.

[Anonymous No.2666253]

>>2666249
>yfw Nintendo still keeps its fans cause >Nintendo
kinda sad t b h

[Anonymous No.2666258]

unfortunately for nintendo, parody is protected under law. someone tell the guy and he can put his pictures right back up. you're welcome

[Anonymous No.2666259]

>>2666258
>>2666091

[Anonymous No.2666260]

>>2666259
thankfully there are other hosts on the internet! what an amazing place.

[Anonymous No.2666261]

>>2666260
whoa?!

[Anonymous No.2666287]

Why are people discussing this seriously? This was a troll.

[Anonymous No.2666512]

>>2666191
but I am genuinely curious what was removed and what those faggots consider "parody"

[Anonymous No.2666516]

"guys this is just a parody fap fap lol haha this isn't ruining your family friendly IPs, when people google princess daisy and this comes up don't! worry! this smut won't affect you! it's within our rights to do whatever we want with your IPs!"

[Anonymous No.2666520]

>>2666249
>they seem to not understand that the best way to handle these things is not to acknowledge them

I bet you also get mad and think you're in the right when your internet provider warns you on using torrents

[Anonymous No.2666521]

>>2666516
>tfw you discover hentai through googling sailor moon

[Anonymous No.2666868]

>>2666516
> when people google princess daisy and this comes up don't! worry!

That's not what determines whether it's a parody though. A judge would have to find that a reasonable human could not tell the difference between that image and Nintendo's actual work.

[Anonymous No.2667070]

>>2666516
Fan artists are scum. Smut fan artists doubly so.
>I'm a creatively bankrupt adult. So rather than making my own appealing stuff, I'll just draw someone else's popular stuff so I can get attention.
The worst kind of people.

[Anonymous No.2667076]

>>2667070
>>2667070
surely child rapists are worse.

but yeah this stuff disgusts me.

[Anonymous No.2667100]

>>2667076
As far as art goes, I mean. Overall yeah, child rapists are obviously worse. There isn't a single fan artist that can say they made it on their own. They only made it on the backs of people who've done much harder work than them aka the creators of the IP.

[Anonymous No.2667105]

>>2665419
Nintendo (Japan) doesn't give a fuck so why does Nintendon't of Burgerland do?

[Anonymous No.2667153]

>>2667070
Hello kid who's never made it. Fanart is how you get recognized by the masses and gather followers in order to introduce them to your OC and start making bank on commissions.

No one gives a fuck about your OC special snowflake animu girl, but they sure love anything Legend of Zelda.

[Anonymous No.2667155]

>>2667105
NoJ doesn't care because Japan is brotier when it comes to copyright due to their lax laws. Hence doujins.

NoA are cunts about it because they're run by retards who are appartly trying ruin the company in the public eye. NoA has lierally never cared for their fans and has never actually done anything good for the consumer, but boy do Nintendrones love their Bill, and their Treehouse, and their Reggie, and their memes.

[Anonymous No.2667161]

>>2667153
>making bank
>on commissions
>from random fans
I already know you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. You only have to rely on fanart when you're creatively bankrupt, socially inept, and never leave your house. People who draw fan art are generally attention starved.

[Anonymous No.2667164]

>>2667153
Are you implying that people who make large commissions on shit like Legend of Zelda fanart have "made it"? Because if so, I want to throw up.

[Anonymous No.2667188]

>>2665479
>There is no such a thing as bad publicity
Not true at all. Plus, Nintendo and those companies don't need some sweaty teenagers drawing porn to advertise their characters that are worth billions for them. Especially when they make a lot of profit from it and they try to defend it as "advertising" like they're not just using their IP for easy cash.

[Anonymous No.2667191]

>>2667164

Are they

>making money
>enjoying it

If so I say they "made it". If you're making good bank and enjoying what you're doing then I don't see your argument here. There's a level of creative bankruptcy but it really doesn't matter if you're making that dolla.

As for the subject at hand I think fanart is a good way to get people initially interested in you but it's better, and honestly a lot more fullfilling to do your own shit.

[Anonymous No.2667205]

>>2667188
>Especially when they make a lot of profit from it and they try to defend it as "advertising"
Yeah. Fan-art is generally advertising for the artist's work, not the IP. So the artists are literally using it as a "free ride" to get attention from people. Most IPs that get fan-art are already popular through more effective advertising methods. It literally takes YEARS for something to get "popular" via mainly fan works and even then it's still niche at the end of the day. Just look at Touhou Project. Fan works are hardly ever a solid or effective method of advertisement. Fan-artists who try to spin it that way are always full of shit.

[Anonymous No.2667212]

>>2667100
they still have to learn the fundamentals of art.

[Anonymous No.2667216]

>>2665419
Good for them. I hate fan art. It takes up the art websites post feed. it's fucking annoying and 95% of it sucks complete shit hawks.

[Anonymous No.2667223]

>>2667212
That's only half the battle. Not that /ic/ would ever accept that. Having good technical skills doesn't mean you have good or interesting ideas. It just makes you good hired muscle for the people with better ideas and stories to tell.

[Anonymous No.2667224]

if you have an art station and post fan art. please just delete your stupid fucking account. you're taking up room and pushing down OC.

[Anonymous No.2667228]

>>2667223
everyone on /ic/ sucks though and couldnt make a front page worthy fan art entry if they wanted too. so "hurr it's creatively bankrupt and easy" is just sour grapes

[Anonymous No.2667233]

>>2667224

Is there a good site for primarily OC content?

I'de be interested.

[Anonymous No.2667252]

>>2667228
It's not sour grapes. It's facts. It doesn't matter who the messenger is, the message is valid. Fan-art is an easy way for even shitty artists to get attention they would otherwise never have. This is why they'll only ever draw fan-art of popular and trending franchise rather than niche cult-classics. It's about getting attention and doing it on the backs of better artists/creators. And it's not with just taking inspiration from their work to flip it and make your own, it's with just straight up drawing their icons and characters since you can't produce original content.

[Anonymous No.2667254]

>>2667191
>>2667191
Well then I guess then I can say the smiling cashier at the grocery store has also "made it".

[Anonymous No.2667278]

>>2667254

>smiling cashier at the grocery store

Not if they're making shit. I'm speaking enough to live comfortably.

[Anonymous No.2667286]

>>2667278
Most "popular" internet artists are still either living with their parents/have roommates, borderline starving and don't own shit with no insurance. The internet fame is a smoke screen. Very few are actually living comfortably on their own.

[Anonymous No.2667323]

>>2665444
The first time an anime poster doesn't shitpost
I'm proud of you anon

[Anonymous No.2667324]

>>2667286
This is so true.

> internet fame is a smoke screen

Thank you anon for clearing that up.

[Anonymous No.2667359]

sakimi-chan is kill

[Anonymous No.2667366]

>>2667359
She'll hold out for a while, and anyway she's already made enough to live comfortably for the next couple decades I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.2667375]

>troll sending fake DMCA because tumblr is shit and you can abuse it
>It's Nintendo!
ITT /v/

[Anonymous No.2667431]

>>2667359
>he thinks patreon is going to cut off one of their milking cows
The bitch is making 50k a month and is one of their biggest assets.

https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators

[Anonymous No.2667451]

>>2667431

afaik they'll only take it down if the account gets a DMCA.

[Anonymous No.2667453]

>>2667359
That doesn't mean what you think it means.

You can still create fanart as per fair use, what you cannot do is take credit for someone else's work.

[Anonymous No.2667508]

>>2665479
where did you go to law school

[Anonymous No.2667516]

On the subject of Doxy. How did he get so bad so fast?

[Anonymous No.2667534]

>>2667453
Taking money is taking credit.

[Anonymous No.2667539]

>>2667516
Stopped tracing.

[Anonymous No.2667551]

>>2667252
>Fan-art is an easy way for even shitty artists to get attention they would otherwise never have.
this is what I disagree with, because if it were easy, than everyone would be doing it. ie /ic/ posters, who by and large "suck" at art.
it is attention seeking and it is more or less morally bankrupt but so are a lot of jobs in art.

[Anonymous No.2667552]

>>2667551
How do artists get big, I wonder.
No idea how people like Krenz, Ruan Jia, Sakimichan, Illya or any of them got where they are really. It seems fun to be in their position to just draw seemingly whatever they want and make money.

[Anonymous No.2667559]

>>2667552
get to where you can produce art of their skill level and hopefully you'll find out :^)

[Anonymous No.2667563]

>>2667534
No, it is not.

That bit they added means literally nothing, as fair use is by definition not copyright infringement.
It's just there so they can point at it and say "see? we're not enabling copyright infringement!" in case someone tries to go against them.

[Anonymous No.2667565]

>>2667559
Well, I guess that's somewhat true? I have no idea of knowing, so maybe I'll be able to answer you in three years, anon.

[Anonymous No.2667571]

>>2667552
>How do artists get big, I wonder.
for over 1000 years artists got big by:

1. Winning shows
2. Creating interesting art
3. Personal Networking

[Anonymous No.2667577]

>>2667551
>this is what I disagree with
How can you disagree with a statement that is clearly true. You're ignoring the relative context of the statement. Shitty drawn fanart of a popular IP will get more notes than shitty drawn original content by default of more people being able to relate with the shitty fanart on a shallow level of "I know that character".

[Anonymous No.2667584]

>>2667577
really? what are the millions of sonic fan art that exists on the internet? maybe some people just enjoy drawing their favorite characters in video games and it's their primary motivation for improving? there isn't anything wrong with that or getting attention for it necessarily. if you can post an example of a genuinely shitty artists that has gained notoriety for only drawing fan art be my guest.

[Anonymous No.2667698]

>>2667359
This may actually hurt musicians more.

[Anonymous No.2667706]

>>2667164
>>2667161
totally missing the point
>draw fanart
>gain followers
>draw your own shit
>people that follow you are now fans,of your shit

Is that really so hard to comprehend? It's a lot easisr to get noticed for art made on a familliar subject than it is on something totally new. That's the secret behind the people who made it, a recognizable brand name. I've seen the disparity in likes between fanart and OC myself. Fanart carries itself much further than something original, and thst's very valueable exposure. But you know what, forget it, stick to thinking that people who draw fanart are scum and jealously shittalking successful artists on /ic/'s threads. Fuck it, less competition. I've got nothing to prove to you.

[Anonymous No.2667707]

>>2667706
Why'd you post at all.

[Anonymous No.2667708]

>>2667205
Who gives a fuck. It's protected by fair use, and taking it down is illegal.

[Anonymous No.2667741]

>>2665422
Depends what kind of fanart it is. Parody (which includes porn parodies) is protected.

[Anonymous No.2667748]

>>2667552
Saki got good and popular because she likes drawing disney smut, as opposed to other artists who do it for money and resent the fan base saki is a chubby fujioshi with a wet on for gay art and self insert anime girls.

[Anonymous No.2667749]

>>2667359
Wouldn't effect her.

[Anonymous No.2667752]

>>2665444
owning priviledges of monopoly of a character

owning priviledges of monopoly of a form

owning priviledges of monopoly of a particle

priviledges of monopoly of a process

BURGER S.A.
BURGER S.A.
BURGER S.A.
BURGER S.A.

that's not capitalism at all you dumbfucks

[Anonymous No.2667791]

>>2665444
trips deliver once again

[Anonymous No.2667865]

>>2665444
While I know this is a shitpost I'm curious about the concept of fanart as memetic.

Like pokemon for example, there are people who have spent their entire lives with pokemon as a central theme (they're all internet shut ins so fuck them but here me out), does nintendo own such an important piece of who they are just because it licensed and mass marketed a video game?

[Anonymous No.2667881]

>>2665444
>prevent potential loss in capital
>people are gonna see peach with a dick and stop buying mario games

wicked....

[Anonymous No.2667891]

>>2667516
He did?

[Anonymous No.2668013]

>>2667865
Nintendo owns pokemon, what the fuck are you even trying to say?

[Anonymous No.2668021]

>>2667881
this

[Anonymous No.2668023]

>>2665444
>Princess Peach is believe it or not a form of commodity that can be used
>You fucking misogynistic piece of shit

[Anonymous No.2668029]

>>2665419
This is the TPP in full effect. Don't complain, this is the future you chose.

[Anonymous No.2668037]

>>2668029
The TPP hasen't even passed yet you retard.

[Anonymous No.2668040]

>>2668037
>Implying they will wait for mere formalities

[Anonymous No.2668042]

>>2668037
As if that fucking means anything.
Its already been signed and ratified by 12 countries including America and Japan you mouth breather.TPP shouldn't have even made it past the drafting stage. Its game over and soon you won't be able to even mention IP's like Pokemon or Mickey without the companies permission.

[Anonymous No.2668052]

>>2668042
>>2668037
well at least in germany it failed. sucks for you

[Anonymous No.2668070]

>>2668052
Enjoy paying for your rapist refugees :')

[Anonymous No.2668081]

>>2667706
>I've got nothing to prove to you.
Yet you made a post trying to prove something that isn't true.
It doesn't work that way. The people who follow you for the fanart will still want the fanart. Specially if it's trending or popular. Your OC will never replace it and you're only going to lose followers if/when you stop completely. Much like most of the people who follow you would never actually pay for your work, they don't care about your OC either. This is why follower count is ultimately worthless because it doesn't showcase the real value of your work (ie how many people will bother spending money on it). There isn't a single popular internet based artist who got popular via fan-art and stopped doing fan-art of trendy/popular shit completely. They still have to do it or else they will lose their base. The fact of the matter is those people care more about the fan-art than your OC because that's the type of crowd you attracted in the first place. Those people make up the majority of your viewership. You aren't "converting" them. They will just leave before that happens. It's no different from the former smut artist who mostly quits doing lewd art and switches to do SFW content. You're going to lose a good portion of your viewership because they were originally there for something else.

[Anonymous No.2668087]

>>2668070
nah. Im fine with basically imported workers. At least now there is somebody who will be able to pay for my old age pension now that there are more young people that in the future will be working for us. The demographic in germany is falling anyways so without them ggermany would be pretty empty in a few generations

[Anonymous No.2668094]

>>2668087
>so without them ggermany would be pretty empty in a few generations
How can you be this bluepilled, you loser?
Germany is one of the most densely populated countries on earth, it would even be sustainable with a population of 40 million.
Importing a billion shitskins who cant read or write to pay your pensions is so retarded it boggles the mind. This wont work.

[Anonymous No.2668100]

>>2668094
> a billion
´really great that Germany is densely populated, sadly the demographic isnt really about how many people live here. Currently a pair gets 1.4 and thats not enough to sustain the population. Do you get that? That means 4 people together dont even have 3 children. Give it a few generations like 200 years and the population will have halfed. We NEED young people. Old age Pension wont be a thing for the next generations if there are significantly more old people than young ones who are working.

[Anonymous No.2668105]

>>2668100
>I want my money and I won't care if my daughters get gang raped

[Anonymous No.2668106]

>>2668100
I wont discuss this here with you. You germans online are always so poorly informed and uneducated because of your north korea tier goverment media who sells you shit as gold.

You don't have a demographic problem, you got a cultural problem.

Germans dont make children, because it's economically not sustainable.
Japan has a growing birthrate, germany's birthrate is sinking even lower.
The more uneducated shitskins (who wont work by the way, the will keep leeching the system and sending cash overflow back home to algeria and marocoo) will cause german workers to be taxed even harder to sustain the system, in the end germans will breed even less.

You could have just as well reformed the pension system, but instead you're now being fucked over by greedy corporations who saw dollar signs flash up in their eyes from the idea of hiring third world slave workers subsidized by the goverment.
Turns out every DAX company has hired almost NONE of the fugees and most of them will keep leeching wellfare and creating more wellfare leeching offspring (money that could've been spent on a pension system reform).

You germans are the most imbecilic, easily fooled and gullible nation on earth. No wonder you keep fucking over europe.
The german infrastructure is crumbling, the streets are in a sorry state, the airports are a mess, the trains are late and instead of pumping money into the infrastructure and give germans an incentive to breed you make things worse for ALL OF EUROPE.

also:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962

Germany's birthrate lower than japan's. Japanese young people started breeding again after the old folks retired.
They didnt import shitskins and it looks like they were right all along while germany fucks up another time

[Anonymous No.2668123]

Just replace Mexicans with Turks and other 'refugees' for Germany. It's the same shit all over the world. Successful nations being sold out by politicians and corporations, bled by third world lampreys and being brought down to their level culturally and financially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

[Anonymous No.2668130]

>>2668106
>Germans dont make children, because it's economically not sustainable.

we dont have children because all the oh so fancy educated people think a child is hard work and not desireable. Germans have it too good. Now that there are a lot more problems in the world, eg syria chrisis and the refugee problem THIS is the time the birthrates climb. The japanese birthrate too should be climbing because of the Fukushima catasrophe.
Its pretty normal for the birthrate to climb when there is a lot more going on. And while the germans could also just get their shit together and have children, they wont.

And im sure that the government will step in and take appropriate measurements before the nearly 2 million refugee sit on their asses and life on wellfare. The german government might be pretty stupid and while being backwards on things like gay marriage they are a little over the top with something like the refugees, they are not THAT stupid.

>>the will keep leeching the system and sending cash overflow back home to algeria and marocoo

im talking about the refugees and there is no home for them to send back cash to.

>>2668105
you are acting like the not even 2 million refugees will overpower the 80 million germans and there will be a state of anarchy

And for everyone else: Im sorry for engaging in a dispute with him, will leave /ic/ alone with this shit from now on.

[Anonymous No.2668131]

>>2665419
Who the fuck cares? Fanart is shit anyways.
>/ic/

[Anonymous No.2668139]

>>2665444
Put crassly, but this.

Firstly is the fan art of a household brand but that is common. Then the smut is there, that is the issue and thirdly the potential profiting off of that brand with obscenity.

[Anonymous No.2668142]

>>2668130
>you are acting like the not even 2 million refugees will overpower the 80 million germans
Well according to you 70% of them are too old.
How about that?

Also you reurgitate goverment propaganda.
No point in talking to someone as brainwashed as you.

[Anonymous No.2668143]

>>2668123
>Successful nations being sold out by politicians and corporations
Jews put down incentives first, massive money making incentives that if the corporations don't do (H1B programs with dirt cheap immigrant work and exporting productions to off-shore) they lose competitiveness and no longer make money and become non-self sustaining and go bankrupt.
Nothing is produced in the states, citizens aren't even working AT the companies and the top experts in most fields are foreigners.

Something like 1/3rd of the US citizens are unemployed. 5% is just a floating number that after you are not employed for 6 months you're then considered employed.

[Anonymous No.2668514]

>>2665419
>can we talk about political bullshit
nah. fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2668547]

>draws nothing but fanart
>complains about how people don't value art
I kek everytime. Fan-artists are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.2668963]

>>2668130
>guys falling birthrates aren't a natural state of population adjustment, better flood the country with a poor underclass that resents us

Japans population is increasing because populations ebb and flow, they don't grow exponentially for ever. The only difference is they don't have a huge section of foreign welfare recipients throwing money out of the country.

Also for the record those migrants aren't going to care for you when you get old, no one crosses thousands of miles of ocean for the dream of wiping somebodies anus.
Your pensions will be taken from you by a horde of people who view you as an inconvenience at best because of its dominant voting base.

[Anonymous No.2669029]

>>2668106
Stay jelly, pleb.
Germany #1

[Anonymous No.2669139]

>>2668130
Japanese birthrate has actually been on the rise in the last couple years.

[Anonymous No.2669223]

Fan Art shouldn't even be a legal issue until money enters the picture. And even then, I think if a work of fan art is actually derivative enough you should be able to sell it.

But at the very least if its being shared for free and if its freely available online then it shouldn't be a problem.

[Anonymous No.2669245]

>>2665436
It doesn't matter if it hurts business or not. His point is if they don't want it, they can tell you to stop.

[Anonymous No.2669250]

>>2669245
just for no reason taking away what migght be someones job? Thats like a kid that does not want to eat brocoli although it has never eaten it just cause.

it doesnt hurt their bussiness so they have no reason to take legal actions

[Anonymous No.2670198]

>>2669250

>just for no reason
It's their IP and they're free to go after those using it without their permission, just as you can with your IP.

>taking away what migght be someones job
Those that base their livelihoods on illegal actions should be prepared for such a circumstance.

[Anonymous No.2670474]

>>2670198
ofcourse they can, but for what reason?
I mean i would understand it if someone uses someone elses picture or character and claims its theirs. But everybody knows who these characters are and that they belong to nintendo. Nintendo should care if someone does pokemon porn because porn isnt their business. If someone famous does a great picture lets say of a great plot point of zelda or what ever. That would basically be free advertising. I just cant see what they would gain from doing that

[Anonymous No.2670529]

>>2665419

Once you start selling or accepting money for fanart, whether directly or indirectly, it's no longer fanart but commercial art.

[Anonymous No.2670542]

>>2670529

I would argue it's still fan art as long as the commissioner isn't the IP holder. If you draw a Spiderman cover for Marvel it's obviously not fan art, but if some random schmuck wants a picture of Spiderman it's fanart even if paid.

[Anonymous No.2670556]

>>2670542

Fanart, or fan-anything, is a non-profit non-commercial work made by fans of whatever ip they like.

Commissions fall into a grey area where each individual work needs to be judged on its own. Most rights-holders just let artists do what they want untill a line is crossed.

[Anonymous No.2670661]

>>2666129
Assuming you mean in the US, no it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.2670685]

>>2667070
Yes, surely a big company, like... Let's say disney. Would never use things like folktales, or other well known cultural icons as a basis for their movies, right?

I mean, it's not like even a nes game would be based on things that already exist, like ancient mythology (kid icarus), or something like that. Everyone knows things people make are always 100000000% original!

[Anonymous No.2670717]

I hope none of you copyright faggets ever go to a comiket, you'd pass out of shock.

[Anonymous No.2670956]

>>2665714
Are you saying that the Sponge Bob porn parody was legitimately approved?
A popular kids show?

[Anonymous No.2670961]

>>2665422
>It's their property and they have every right to tell you to stop.

But they don't because all of the fanbase would turn against them.

Just look at that gamedev that wanted to sue certain youtuber because he was monetizing gameplays of his game, even when his game was unknown until certain youtuber started making gameplays of it.

[Anonymous No.2670963]

>>2670956
Nigger, are you implying any kid would stumble upon that said porn parody while searching "spongebob"on the internet?

[Anonymous No.2671219]

>>2670685
The difference is the fan artist typically doesn't design anything on his own. Even if you were to retell Beowulf visually, you'd need to DESIGN everything, not just copy someone else's designs like a lazy faggot.

[Anonymous No.2671248]

>>2670717

It isn't the existance of fanart/unlicenced commercial art that has most people bothered, its when the rights holder tells the artist to stop using their IP and said artist and/or others throw a hissy fit.

[Anonymous No.2671363]

>>2667070
>I'll just draw someone else's popular stuff so I can get attention.

Sometimes fan artists draw fan art because they're - going out on a limb here - fans of the thing. They draw the characters because they like them. They draw the setting because they like it. The art world doesn't consist entirely of /ic/ tier desperate wannabe professionals who need to "make it" and get publicity.
Yes, there are cynical opportunists who cater to the whims of whatever's popular right now, but even in that case I see only a very marginal difference between fan art and the fuckloads of religious and historical art done by some of the art field's greatest masters. Most of that is just biblical and Greco-Romaboo fanart.

This obsession with "this is my special snowflake OC I'm SO inventive!" gets kind of sad, everyone wants to be so unique.

[Anonymous No.2672048]

>>2671219
>The fan artist usually doesn't change the design

Well that's just plain wrong. Usually they change quite a bit of design elements, whether its drawing style or character design. Most popular fanart is basically "x character through a different lens" or porn.

[Anonymous No.2672112]

>>2671219
If you were just speaking of on-model porn, then yes. Most fan artists have certain hurdles for their fanart. Like adapting to their style or adapting their clothes differently.

Like Princess Peach. There's no model out there that shows how she would look being fucked up the ass with a mushroom. A lot of that comes from imagination because you won't see that from a Nintendo artist. You know, publicly.
Not to mention when people adapt the character to their tastes, like adding or removing a size for their breasts, or formulating a casual look. And some people design her dress differently or draw her with messy hair, etc, etc.

Some of the hottest Peach fanart I've seen didn't keep to the model presented by Nintendo but was still distinctively Peach.

[Anonymous No.2672180]

>>2672112
>Some of the hottest Peach fanart I've seen didn't keep to the model presented by Nintendo but was still distinctively Peach.
This. I don't understand why this is NOW of all times being ignored.
Listen, to the Nintendrones of this thread, unless you forgotten your childhood so much because it was a shit one or some shit, I'm positive 99% of you all have drawn, at least ONCE, drawn some fan art of something, whether it was just Mario with the raccoon suit (which my older brother back in the 1990s did), or of some anime shit because "le awesome as a kid" (DBZ, I know I did that a bit or Sonic back in the day) so no one ITT can tell me with a straight face you're not saving face through your teeth because Doxy got "tagged by Nintendo". It doesn't matter. It hasn't mattered for 20+ years, why NOW? Basically >>2671363 WAS how fan art was conceived, now it's like everyone thinks it's to claim ownership over the shit they draw, which is flat out retardation to accuse of as a clutch to your argument. NO ONE with common sense would:
>Think Nintendo would do anything with explicit adult content, because it's a company marketed mostly to children
>Think fan art is anything official when it's blatantly off model as all hell (this is why I preferred if people stay away from drawing IPs on model because that could make it a closer gray area otherwise)
>Seriously think fan art is now bad to do after countless of decades people have and still will for the rest of humanity draw something based on what they like or what they saw. It's never been bad then, it should never be bad NOW.

TL;DR: This whole thread is just pointless because no one really is taking this seriously and is just making a front about it. It's been plenty of times Jewtendo has done "something" like this the past, but as a global rule, it's protected by law that parody work is allowed, no matter what a pretentious company thinks it can think it can do. Just keep drawing what you like and move on.

[Anonymous No.2672194]

>>2672180
Corporations are just trying to get some kind of saddle on this wild fucking thing and they're not gonna give up on it. That's why all of these new proposed laws are being pushed so hard. SOPA, CISPA, TPP, whatever.

[Anonymous No.2673217]

Nintendo is in the wrong here maybe even legally but no random artist has the resources to go to court with them.
There is a reason Nintendo only targets the little guys, you don't see them taking on Time Warner for Robot Chicken nor Fox for Family Guy, it's because they would probably lose and they know it but your average person? It's not the content either both shows deal with a lot of violence and sexuality that one could argue "hurts" the brand. They just threaten and bam, no need to even be legally right and have to prove copyright infringement over fair use when it comes to small fries.

[Anonymous No.2673230]

>>2671363
That doesn't refute his statement, anon. They draw it to get attention. Easy attention since it isn't original content and already has a fanbase. The more popular the thing is (thanks to the advertising of corporations), the more attention they will get when they draw fanart of it. So people draw fanart of popular stuff. It's a self fulfilling property. It's not about being a fan as much as it's about getting attention from people and fitting in with the crowd. We already know most internet based fan-artists are socially inept in some way. So internet artists thrive off trying to fit in and being trendy online. And it's always the ones who don't care about fitting in with what's trendy and would rather make their own who become more than just your typical boring amateur internet artist who doesn't draw anything interesting but fanart of popular shit everyone has seen already.

You're using an established brand as a free ride to get attention because you're attention starved. It's really that simple. The more popular the brand, the more attention you'll get. And there, you have why people always draw fan-art of the most popular shit.

[Anonymous No.2673239]

>people still think monotizing fan-art is legal.
>people still think content creators don't have rights to protect the image of their brand
>people still think Nintendo is in the wrong
I hate Nintendo, but I give them respect them for slapping up their manchild pornfag fans.

[Anonymous No.2673281]

>>2673217
>you don't see them taking on Time Warner for Robot Chicken nor Fox for Family Guy
Because those are actual parody. Most fanart doesn't involve comedic effect or any humor at all. There is nothing funny about the image in >>2672180. It was made for manchildren to jerk off too, not to make a joke or comedic point. There is a fundamental difference.

[Anonymous No.2673294]

>>2673281
>manchildren
Instantly your opinion should be dismissed.
But is it not their intellectual property? Is not tarnishing their characters? Are they not making money off their characters?
So if porn artists put in jokes into their images it would all of a sudden make it okay?

[Anonymous No.2673295]

>>2673294
well you're the one putting the parody label into it, so what do you think?

[Anonymous No.2673304]

>>2665419
Nintendo has always been protective of their IP and copyrights. Everyone should be protective of their own work. You want to use my shit? Buy licensing rights.

Besides all that shit, who cares? Video game / anime / pony fanart is for loser autist neckbeards. Maybe go outside, find a hobby that isn't shit.

[Anonymous No.2673368]

Wait, this thread is confusing me, isn't the problem here that Doxy is making (patreon) dosh off drawing trademark characters, rather than what kind of fanart he draws of them?

[Anonymous No.2673468]

>>2673281
>Because those are actual parody. Most fanart doesn't involve comedic effect or any humor at all. There is nothing funny about the image in
>he thinks a parody is about comedy and being funny

[Anonymous No.2673482]

>>2673468
I was going to call him out on that, but apparently, he's not wrong.
However, I doubt this is what defines a "parody" to a fault, creative liberties can make whatever a parody by proxy of not being "true to the source", aka, a spinoff.

[Anonymous No.2673504]

>>2673482
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody#Copyright_issues
>The Supreme Court of the United States stated that parody "is the use of some elements of a prior author's composition to create a new one that, at least in part, comments on that author's works"

[Anonymous No.2673512]

>>2673504
And the comments for Nintendo is "wow, Nintendo girls are hot".

Nintendo is going to keep trying to "protect" their copyright for a while. Problem is no one is going to be able to convince a court that they can profit off of making a Nintendo porn book.
Hell, one company was able to make a Mario porn on video and Nintendo actually bought the rights just so they can stop production. Pretty sure they don't want to do that again.

[Anonymous No.2673520]

>>2665444
yeah well said dude

[Anonymous No.2673627]

>>2673230
This. And when said fan artist moves over from just using other characters in their "style" to actually selling merch and/or prints with their fan art that is the moment when the company has every right right to step in cause it's not just for fun anymore you're actually making money off them.

It is really not that hard to make your own pretty pink princess.

[Anonymous No.2673658]

>>2673512
bullshit. source on the mario porn stuff

[Anonymous No.2673668]

>>2665422
This

[Anonymous No.2673676]

>>2673658
>being this much of a newfag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Hornio_Brothers
>Initially thought of as a rumor,[4][5] Ron Jeremy's official site notes that while they would love to make both films available alongside the massive library they have, Nintendo bought up the rights to both films to halt distribution indefinitely.[1]

[Anonymous No.2673693]

>>2665419
DrawABox does fanart for ISIS
That's like double bad

[Anonymous No.2673724]

>>2673294
You faggots are the one putting the "parody" label onto it when you don't even know what parody is. The entire point of a parody is to be comedic, when the fuck did the internet forget this? It's not about giving you a boner.

[Anonymous No.2673755]

>>2673295
>>2673724
I didn't say parody, I used the word fair use, which includes parody or satire.
Nintendo is not losing money because of these people, no one is confusing the porn with actually licensed content, it is not intended to replace or compete with any available Nintendo product, both are benefiting from using the characters and both could be argued to be hurting the brand, this is true for both those tv shows and fanart, explain to me the big difference that separates one being fair use and the other being infringement.
If you know something the rest of us don't know enlighten us, because I'm pretty sure porn counts as fair use as many adult film companies have done with politicians, movies and tv shows.

[Anonymous No.2673830]

>mfw Nintendo slammed all the pornfags for drawing smut of that new girl from Pokemon.

[Anonymous No.2674124]

>>2673724
>The entire point of a parody is to be comedic

Not in the legal sense, which is all that matters in court, >>2673504 already brought this up.

comedy is comedy,
parody is parody,
satire is satire.

these words aren't synonyms in the court.

[Anonymous No.2674147]

>>2673830
On tumblr, didnt stop me or anyone else who doesnt use that shitty site.

[Anonymous No.2674160]

>>2674147
Tumblr is the main hub for a good portion of pornfags if they aren't already on patreon. Everyone knows tumblr is trash but those idiots still use it like the gospel because they are too lazy to move elsewhere or make their own personal site.

[Anonymous No.2675041]

>>2665444
>even 2D girls need consent now

[Anonymous No.2676079]

Nintendo is not wrong. Fan-Art is illegal, Porn is still considered offensive and obscene in society. You know what though, it doesn't matter and nobody should care. Porn is much, much older than any of these companies and the artists they fight with. It will be a part of our culture long after Nintendo closes its doors and Doxy is some pile of bones in the ground.

The matter that should be discussed is not whether or not it is legal to draw and sell fan-art, but whether or not is is ethical to draw fan-art and sell fan-art, and there is a key difference there and more importantly, grey-based area.

Nintendo's right as copyright holders simply means they are the only ones who can legally produce anything with the character: games, movies, television, toys, comics, and of course, art. Fan-Art makes that right meaningless, since if anyone can draw that character, then it makes the property less valuable, or rather it makes Nintendo less valuable since I or anybody can just go to somebody else to get our Princess Peach products and usually for much cheaper, which ultimately diminishes Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.2676085]

>>2676079

This is why it's illegal, but here's the ethical problem with it. Princess Peach is not just a commodity to be bought and sold, Princess Peach is a icon, with Nintendo being a part of our collective culture. Like Christianity in the Renaissance, people want to celebrate that culture through the sharing and discussion of ideas and media, including art. Drawing fan-art of culture, including pornography of Iconic characters is inherently a good thing, even if the subject matter is not always of good taste. Reason being is that it elevates the icon and keeps it at the forefront of society's thoughts and interests. When you see Princess Peach in any form, before you think anything else you think of Mario and the Mario franchise, and all the joy and frustration it brings you, the nostalgic memories that the mario games bring you. People drawing fan-art are people sharing those same memories and how they all vary.

The reason what Nintendo is doing is unethical, at least in my opinion is how it damages its brand in other ways, specifically the culture its built around itself. By making an icon forbidden territory for discussion or recreation in media, it can't spread itself in culture and thus dies out over time, which has happened to a lot of films, stories, art, and so on. People will lose interest in the Nintendo brand as talking about it becomes taboo and people cower in fear at the mere mention of them or one of their IPs. Does Nintendo want that associated with their brand? Fear and lawyers being shoved down your throat? Attacking people for wanting to celebrate and share your iconography with the world is counter-productive to Nintendo's goal, which is make money. Yeah, they'll be the only ones making Nintendo stuff which means they'll make all the money off their product, but people will move on to a more open and welcoming brand to invest their time and interest in.

[Anonymous No.2676098]

>>2676079
>The matter that should be discussed is not whether or not it is legal to draw and sell fan-art, but whether or not is is ethical to draw fan-art and sell fan-art

Drawing fan-art for free is ethical. Selling fan-art and merch using fan-art isn't. Basically, fan-art should always be FREE. If you want to monetize your shit, make something original. Otherwise, you're just making money off someone else's hard work like a leech. Who cares how well someone can draw? Drawing is a skill anyone can learn in 3 years. It takes that and MORE to make a successful IP. A lot more time, money, and hardwork was spent on giving that IP they are drawing and profiting from the popular reputation it has. The only time drawing and selling fan-art/fan-art merch would be ethical is if that artist is licensed to do it by the IP holders themselves. Otherwise, it should be free.

There is still the issue of artists who only draw fan-art of popular/trending stuff because they are attention whores but that's never going to stop. The most you can do is stop them from actually making real money off it.

[Anonymous No.2676099]

>>2676085
Illegal or not, people should, no, they must make fan-art of whatever they love to keep the brand alive. So many games, shows, movies, and so on have been lost to time because the brand died off and even the more cherished nostalgic memories fade with time.

If Nintendo wants to keep attacking content makers, they're only hurting themselves in the long run, and while I'm not saying they should just tolerate whatever stuff people make with their icons, but it's a thin between protecting your brand from poachers and thieves and attacking fans.

As for money-makers, well..people will always try to find ways to make a quick buck, with some people being more successful than others and while some will look down on them for doing so with copyrighted characters and ips. People have been doing it for so long, just look up Tijuana bibles of Disney and Popeye for crying out loud! For me personally, both as an artist and a generally up-right person, ya gotta pay the bills somehow and I'm not gonna knock them for playing the game and hustling for some bank. If you find it wrong and both creatively and morally bankrupt, that's fine and understandable. I'm just not gonna judge them for their choices. They just have to accept the consequences of their actions when they know what they're doing is legally wrong, just as Doxy has.

Ultimately, the safest bet is to draw public domain characters or take the Captain Ersatz approach if you just don't have any inspiration for your own characters. Just a reminder, most of Disney's ips, specificially the Disney Princess are all recreations of Public Domain characters and they made a helluva lot of money doing so.

Princess Peach can become Princess Apricot, then you can take it as far as you like from there. Try it, see what happens.

[Anonymous No.2676112]

>>2676085
Besides pornfags, who else has Nintendo attacked? The death of Nintendo porn is not going to be the death of their brand. That notion is bullshit and you know it.

[Anonymous No.2676115]

>>2676098
I don't disagree with you, but selling fan-art should be left up to the individual and the ip-holder. We should have no say or judgment in the decisions they make with their own skills, or lack thereof. Also, I completely disagree with you on how drawing is a skill anybody can learn. Some people can draw for years and never move forward from crappy doodles and stick figures because they don't apply themselves. Only people truly dedicated to improvement through knowledge and self-discipline can truly become skilled in the art.

Another thing to note that people profiting of the popularity of something isn't new or original and generally it's a good idea to draw attention to yourself to drum up business, and drawing what's popular is an easy, cost-effective, and universally appealing way to do so even if it's legally questionable. Now, an attention whore is somebody who will literally do anything for people to get them to pay attention to them, including and not limited to sending nudes of themselves. I think the words you're looking for is Sell-Out, as they're basically whoring out their talents and wasting it on pop culture rather than anything with substance or originality.

In either case, it really is just a matter of one's personal views and ethics. I don't have a problem drawing what's popular as long as I myself like it, and while I will draw things I personally don't like, I do have my limits.

[Anonymous No.2676119]

>>2676112
It's not the death of Nintendo porn that will kill the brand, I never said that. Rather it's the death of the culture they formed around themselves by making their fans too scare to discuss and share anything about them which will cause it to slowly die out. Youtube is a major example in this case, with copyright strikes and take downs being thrown all over the place even in shows about reviewing their products with no embellishment. Channels who offer their content for free may suddenly have their videos taken over by Nintento and pumped full of ads which Nintendo will take most, if not all of the profit from.

Mario as a brand has been established for quite some time and won't be going anywhere anytime soon, but newer IPs will struggle to find a foothold because of Nintendo's thrashing about. As powerful as Nintendo is however, they can't get to everyone so they just hit those who happen to cross their path at that very moment.

[Anonymous No.2676131]

If someone commissions an artist to draw princess peach and he does so that's fine. Should he be able to use that image to promote himself or make merchandise with? Maybe not.

[Anonymous No.2676146]

>>2676131

Drawing Princess Peach is if you don't have permission to do so is illegal.
Putting a topless princess peach pin-up on a T-Shirt is guarenteed to land you in hot water. If you don't want to be at risk of being fined, and having your stuff taken down, it's best to not do it at all.

If you're bold, rebellious type who does what they want, consequences be damned, all the more power to you. Can't knock the hustle, go make you some money.

[Anonymous No.2676158]

>>2676115
>Also, I completely disagree with you on how drawing is a skill anybody can learn.

It is a skill anyone can learn. The only deciding factor is if they really have the want and discipline to achieve it. The same applies to any skill. Art is not special in that regard. In fact, art is more forgiving and achievable considering physical limitations and age don't hinder people with art as much as it can with other skills/activities.

>Now, an attention whore is somebody who will literally do anything for people to get them to pay attention to them, including and not limited to sending nudes of themselves.

An attention whore is merely someone doing something just for the sake of getting attention for it. It doesn't get much deeper than that. If you're drawing fan-art of something because it's new and fresh in the minds of the public, you're doing it for attention first and foremost. There are a multitude of other things you could be drawing. The term attention whore and sell-out are pretty synonymous in that context.

[ViciousTyrant No.2676167]

>>2676158

>It is a skill anyone can learn. The only deciding factor is if they really have the want and discipline to achieve it. The same applies to any skill. Art is not special in that regard. In fact, art is more forgiving and achievable considering physical limitations and age don't hinder people with art as much as it can with other skills/activities.

It's one thing to get a piece of paper and doodle on it. You're right, anybody can do that. Drawing with any sort of skill however requires more than paper, pencil, and a lot of free time. You need to have the right mindset to approaching it, you have to want to improve and have a certain standard of quality that you want to achieve, Say you want to draw faces, realistic faces or at least realistic enough that you can draw certain people and have them be recognized. If you don't dedicated yourself to understanding what makes a face a face and think in 3D, all you're going to get are symbols. Saying that it's a skill anyone can learn doesn't keep in mind the individual. Some will put everything into learning, others will half-ass it and quit to go watch cat videos or something. Not everyone can be an artist but an artist can come from anywhere.

>An attention whore is merely someone doing something just for the sake of getting attention for it.

Can't disagree there, but not everyone makes that the sole motivating factor for drawing something. If you're drawing something popular to draw attention to your work so you can find some possible new clients, that's just good business sense. Also, at one point did it become bad for somebody to draw something new and popular just because they liked it? It's hard to determine who is selling out and just wants attention versus somebody who is drawing art of something like, which is generally why people draw fan-art in the first place. The only way to known for sure is for them to tell you. Otherwise, you have to study their body of work and their mindset.

[Anonymous No.2676173]

>>2665444
First time you're not spamming the 'not gonna make it' meme, I'm proud of you buddy

[Anonymous No.2676176]

>>2665444
It's not that they can't do it, it's that it literally damages themselves.

They could turn a blind eye to it, but instead actively gets rid of something that you can never get rid of.

[Anonymous No.2676208]

>>2675041
underrated post

[Anonymous No.2676550]

>>2667881
You may have forgotten that not only manchildren buy Mario games

[Anonymous No.2676552]

>>2665444
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[Nose Bro No.2676560]

>>2667749
affect*

[Anonymous No.2676565]

>>2668087
>implying they came there to fucking work

[Anonymous No.2676582]

>>2668100
In 200 years we won't even be conventional humans anymore. Within less than a century almost the entire economy will be automatised. You don't need workers because work is going away.

You'll just have unemployed brown people who like get angry about things on your hands.

[Anonymous No.2677450]

>>2676167
>Saying that it's a skill anyone can learn doesn't keep in mind the individual. Some will put everything into learning, others will half-ass it and quit to go watch cat videos or something. Not everyone can be an artist but an artist can come from anywhere.

There are a multitude of artists who get decent enough to get by. They aren't dedicated to actually getting better after a certain threshold. Every artist isn't a KJG. Not even close. Anyone can become an artist and get to a level to attract an audience. It's not a special occupation. You're overselling the occupation.