/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

[anon hemuse No.2642388]

no collage edition

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make your mom proud.

AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a question thread for that.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead (also images shouldn't come out accidentally sideways with this method)

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit

>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

Old thread: >>2639295

[anon hemuse No.2642389]

[anon hemuse No.2642391]

[Anonymous No.2642393]

[Anonymous No.2642395]

[Anonymous No.2642397]

benis edition

[Anonymous No.2642398]

[Anonymous No.2642401]

[Anonymous No.2642403]

[Anonymous No.2642404]

[Anonymous No.2642408]

>>2642388
reposting my page from previous thread just in case.

ballpoint pen only, trying out composition and panel placement.

[Anonymous No.2642412]

improved some I think

[Anonymous No.2642416]

>>2642408
A ruler and some space between your borders would help you tremendously

[Anonymous No.2642418]

>>2642412
Post ref since I don't know why her ear is white, use a bigger brush to block in large shaped like the shirt and hair before you go too detailed.

[Anonymous No.2642419]

>>2642416
okay
what about the rest?

[Anonymous No.2642420]

>>2642418
ah yes should have included that

[Anonymous No.2642435]

>>2642401
im about to pencil tool this bitch if anyone wants to MSduel me

i can give tips n shit

[Anonymous No.2642442]

Finished Loomis fun with a pencil a while ago,
now studying Loomis figure draw book.

[Anonymous No.2642443]

>>2642442
make sure to supplement studies with drawings from imagination

[Anonymous No.2642448]

>>2642388
Well thanks for using my pic ^^

[Anonymous No.2642453]

my shitty attempt from last thread picture. Any good hair tutorials?

[Anonymous No.2642461]

>>2642408
I'm not a comic book framer, but I am a manga fan. It feels like there's too much focus on his entire body throughout the 3 panels.

You could easily focus on his hand and build anticipation like that. 3 different body shots feels very repetitive to me speaking as a viewer. It's building, for me, the opposite sort of anticipation you think you're creating. I really just want it to hurry up and happen when I look at this. I'm not feeling excited at all. You could easily obviate (word of the day) one or two panels, substitute a different idea, and have a better flow.

I don't know anything about how comics should be layed out or anything like that, but I really don't like that way this looks.

You should probably go learn from professionals on the internet about this sort of stuff before you do it again, or if there aren't any, go study some manga/comic books.

[Anonymous No.2642464]

>>2642443
Bottom row and those shaded figures are from imagination. Now I can draw mannikin decently, I can start playing around with it.

[Anonymous No.2642465]

>>2642408
Also, I have a lot of confusion looking at this.
How can he have so much time to pose so stoically, but then deflect an "unseen" incoming attack?

It might just be another issue with repetition dragging things on though.

[Anonymous No.2642467]

What's the ideal shoulder/arm posture while drawing?

I had shoulder impingement a while ago, so I'm still trying to be extra careful with it.

[Anonymous No.2642469]

[Anonymous No.2642471]

>>2642465
he seemed to know he was going to be attacked and from what angle. proffessional martial artists have no problem seeing something from the corners of their eyes.

my guess is that he knew he already was in a duel from hearing suspicious footsteps or shit.

[Anonymous No.2642472]

>>2642408
>>2642461
and another thing, I think timing is a major deal when it comes to the layout of panels. Look at this. Look at how your eye is slowly lead throughout the entire thing.

[Anonymous No.2642475]

>>2642471
That's not the issue here though. It simply takes too much time explaining for a rapid attack such as a flying arrow. It feels like there's no internal thought to justify such a freeze either.

Again, I'd like reiterate that I'm completely ignorant on comic lay out, but I simply dislike the way he has paneled his comic.

[Anonymous No.2642476]

>>2642467

Not too close, not too far, you don't want to bend or extend your arm too much

Always rest part of your hand on your drawing surface or all of the weight of your arm will be on your shoulder.

Don't tense up either, your arm should be comfortable. Don't try to force your arm to be accurate by tensing it up.

[Anonymous No.2642483]

>>2642461
>>2642471
my intention was indeed in the first 3 panels that the arrow hasnt been shot yet.

maybe i should somehow illustrate how he senses his opponent moving into position?
i pretty much have no one to test-read anything i make , so thanks for the help.

[Anonymous No.2642493]

>>2642483
That sounds like a good idea.
The action of him sensing isn't very clear, and like
>>2642471

said, he was guessing when it should be clearly communicated.

[Anonymous No.2642504]

>>2642467
You're too good for here, get out.

[Anonymous No.2642513]

>>2642442
Is the loomis figure difficult? i've heard he doesn't explain it very well.

[Anonymous No.2642514]

>>2642513
It works way better if you know the anatomy

[Anonymous No.2642516]

>>2642513
is this some sort of meta-trolling

[Anonymous No.2642519]

>>2642516
No.
>>2642514
well ill have to try it out regardless.

[Anonymous No.2642523]

>>2642467
I like it, how do you choose colors and get to that level senpai? tips?

[Anonymous No.2642531]

>>2642435
taking a quick break heres my prog so far

[Anonymous No.2642555]

>>2642513
You should start with fun with a pencil first.
I had to read fun with a pencil twice before i understood it, english not being my native language might have something to do with it.

[Anonymous No.2642561]

Tried my hand at making my own "quirky, cartoony" self-portrait.

[Anonymous No.2642563]

>>2642531
Noice, interesting.

[Anonymous No.2642571]

i would be producing significantly better work if my perspective wasn't the absolute worst. i don't comprehend these dudes i see who can just freehand the exact angles they need for a box

[Anonymous No.2642573]

>>2642571
Don't draw opposite sides of a box parallel to each other, they're going to taper toward or away from one another depending on if they're further or closer to the viewer, I think vilppu had a good example of this, but loomis and hampton also go over it.

[Anonymous No.2642582]

>>2642573
this is what i've been thinking about. the lines meet at a vanishing point, so they can't run parallel. it's different than how i first understood it

[Anonymous No.2642593]

>>2641421
I just watched Vilppu gesture videos today

Is this any better?
I'm still new to this in a sense since I've been screwing up this entire time.

I'm glad I decided to switch to Vilppu. He clearly defined rhythm for me. I wasn't left guessing as to what that meant.

I don't feel I really applied it much though, and I'll have to go back and study the video more/take notes on all of it.

These took way too long, but I'd rather take my time and do it the proper way since it's so alien to me.

[Anonymous No.2642603]

>>2642593
too much thought on the outline, not gesture, etc.

[Anonymous No.2642622]

Any major flaw with my progress so far?
I'm cool with it, I can't notice anything particularly off, but I need a fresh pair of eyes to notice.

[Anonymous No.2642632]

Is this aloud to be here? Also please rate it

[Anonymous No.2642635]

>>2642622
>>2642632
What is up with you guys leaving your pencils in shot and not reading the OP?

[Anonymous No.2642642]

>>2642622
>>2642635
I read the OP, what did I miss?

I put the pencil there merely to allow for the camera to autofocus, it doesn't like to focus on the drawing by itself.

[Anonymous No.2642654]

>>2642603
Thanks anon
I just got pissed off that I still wasn't even close, and I went and studied Vilppu's river example and followed along with him with that in mind.

You might have just saved me from continued issues with gesture.

I don't know yet though.

[Anonymous No.2642661]

>>2642555
Nah. The first time I tried doing it it didn't make any sense to me either.

[Anonymous No.2642669]

>>2642531
complete enough

[konnr No.2642670]

>>2642388

How am I doing lol

[Anonymous No.2642673]

>>2642669
It's looking good and original, but what's with those white bars though?

[Anonymous No.2642675]

>>2642670
"Pass into the Iris"

[Anonymous No.2642676]

Is it healthy to print of the photos I'm studying to draw construction lines on top to understand angles?

I don't then draw on top of those constructions, I just start fresh on another bit of paper

Am i cheating too hard?

[Anonymous No.2642677]

>>2642673
its the selection tool of ms paint lol

[Anonymous No.2642678]

>>2642676
>no rules just tools

[Anonymous No.2642694]

How's my symbols?

[Anonymous No.2642710]

>>2642694
Whoops

[Anonymous No.2642715]

>>2642710
Ok hol up

[Anonymous No.2642720]

>>2642715
im going to need one of it upside down

[Anonymous No.2642730]

>>2642720
I'd probably accidentally post it right side up so no

[Anonymous No.2642746]

ref used:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/1a/b2/01/1ab2019bed46055b731fe7e3454daebe.jpg

Took around 6 hours of hard tinkering, comparing, and changing around. I attempted to get it as close as physically possible.

Do you think I should focus on quicker rougher studies? My main issue in the process is identifying the exact shapes for the feature alignment or things like how closed the eyelids are, or where exactly the eyeballs are located, which should better be ironed out in the sketch.

Also, should I greyscale the ref?

[Anonymous No.2642828]

>>2642669
I don't know if this thread is for you sir.

[Anonymous No.2642865]

>>2642715
now do one from a real woman

[Anonymous No.2642871]

>>2642865
Should I start studying construction yet? I want to draw from imagination and I'm getting impatient

[Anonymous No.2642888]

>>2642397
took a quick crack at this one

[Anonymous No.2642892]

>I skipped draw-a-box before I started reading Loomis, Hampton, Vilppu, and Norling
>Am already balls deep into everything

It's okay to keep going, r-right?

[Anonymous No.2642896]

>>2642892
Of course. What do you think people did before draw-a-box?

[Anonymous No.2642898]

Any advice?

[Anonymous No.2642901]

>>2642892
Post your work

[Anonymous No.2642909]

>>2642901
this is the best representation of where I'm at, which is right before hampton's section on the shoulder girdle and the arm. I didn't finish the legs because they are the bane of my fucking existence and I attribute this to not knowing the anatomy, so I'm saving those until I get to that section (unless it's a gesture for the legs)

[Anonymous No.2642918]

>>2642898
Why is every single one of your fucking images always blurred? Do you have to zoom in so much on your 1 by 1 inch postage stamp drawing to get a concise view?

[Anonymous No.2642933]

>>2642746
you need to bump up your value range, your details are really well placed so i scribbled some more contrasting values over them

quicker rougher studies are a great way to practice value plus you can always go back and add details later if you want

[Anonymous No.2642935]

>>2642828
you are probably right, i mostly come here to give advice anyways

[Anonymous No.2642936]

>>2642453
Work on your proportions and values before you start rendering ... His head looks slanted and flat. His mouth doesn't look right either, and the eyes can definitely use some love

[Anonymous No.2642956]

>>2642715
next time you post an image take a screen shot of the photo you took and post that it won't come out tilted

[Anonymous No.2642960]

>>2642388

Okay, so short story, I am getting back into drawing and art as a major hobby. I have a good amount of free time and I have signed up for some cheap local figure drawing sessions with other artists for 2 hours. I have a medium to large sized sketch book 60lb acid free, H, 2H, HB, 2B, 4B pencils, a medium felt pen to do some exercises with making mindful and meaningful lines and strokes, medium charcoal to practice on values and a menagerie of different erasers.

At the moment I have really just been doing some single item and still life drawings at home with blind continuous contour drawings and continuous contour drawings. The blinds are slowly becoming rather good as well as the contours.

What kind of drawing exercises should I focus on at the session? Being that this is not a class, though I have taken art classes (elective/extracurricular) back in college so I remember some stuff.

So, should I do something perhaps like contours, blind contours, continuous contours, blind continuous contours, timed/untimed, gesture, timed gestures, drawing the negative space, cross contour, working with the felt pen to make mindful lines?

I am a little nervous, but some of the others works I've seen that they post on the main local figure drawing group website range from atrocious to pretty good.

Can you help out a poor interested anon?

[Anonymous No.2642962]

I recently read that value is more important than color. does anyone of an example of a piece that has color but poor use of value so I can see it for myself?

[Anonymous No.2642964]

>>2642962
Look at
>any color theory book

[Anonymous No.2642969]

>>2642962
values can make or break a picture. look at this picture. its only black and white, but its values are 100% spot on and feels REAL despite being black and white.
if you just threw a bunch of colors together with improper value training, your picture will not mesh well with the viewer. anyone can see bad values.

[Anonymous No.2642974]

>>2642962
here ya go u fucking monkey

[Anonymous No.2642976]

Is it more important to capture the image exactly or just make sure it looks right? It boggles my mind when I have to redraw lines because they don't look exactly the same.

[Anonymous No.2642977]

>>2642974
what does it mean by 'value'

[Anonymous No.2642980]

>>2642976
i would say figuring out how to get it right and figuring out how wrong you can be and still look right are both useful

[Anonymous No.2642981]

>>2642977
>not knowing what value is
Well, I guess this is a /beg/.

It's the b&w pal

[Anonymous No.2642982]

>>2642977
FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF DICKBRAIN

[Anonymous No.2642987]

>>2642962
take a look at this painting, the artist isnt really do value good r they?. its so flat. its safe to assmue this artist has no idea what they are doing just fuckin witth colors all around. In fact, this is probably the first time this painter has geld a brush smfh

[Anonymous No.2642988]

>>2642987
This thread is for realism only, anon.

[Anonymous No.2642989]

>>2642388
> Aguri's one year of fundamentals guide
>Term 1
>Perspective for artists with Erik Olson sections 1-10
Where do you get this?

[Anonymous No.2642993]

>>2642960
you can get all anal about confident lines sure thats one way to approach artin' but you could also some in from the complete opposite with smeared vine charcoal in nonspecific, nondetailed, nonconfident smudge blobs and erase/smudge your way to victory as well, after all, lines dont actually exist

[Anonymous No.2642997]

>>2642960
>contours, blind contours, continuous contours, blind continuous contours, timed/untimed, gesture, timed gestures, drawing the negative space, cross contour
I don't think /ic/ even does contours.

[Anonymous No.2643012]

>>2642888
if your lines were light enough to still be completely erasable i would say thats a good sketch to start getting the values down. the value you have now is pretty minimal. if the white of your paper is equal to the white background of the reference, then the whole dude and his gun should be darker than your paper except for that highlight on his forehead

also as a side note i dont think you captured the flaccidity of the dick fully i would suggest 20 more close ups of the dick

[Anonymous No.2643019]

>>2642960
>>2642993
>>2642997

I just realized I should have posted this in the question thread on /ic/, oh well.

[Anonymous No.2643025]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJWLaDSNBAI
How useful do you find the coil technique for learning foreshortening?

[Anonymous No.2643028]

>>2642981
>b&w
are you trying to mess with me or something

[Anonymous No.2643084]

When I have a finished value painting, in SAI,

What is the the method of coloring it? How do I do it, what tool do I use?

[Anonymous No.2643103]

>>2642987
I know you are sarcastic but this painting is seriously shit.
I don't think I will ever change my mind about it.

[Anonymous No.2643104]

>>2643025
can someone tl;dr this for me? i really dont want to sit through almost 20 minutes of sycra "let me explain this" yasin

[Anonymous No.2643105]

>>2642933
Thank you

Any specific advice to help get more correct values? I always tend to be reserved with the range, it's like a bad habit

[Anonymous No.2643116]

>>2643104
kek

[Anonymous No.2643118]

>be "beginner"
>draw stuff most people would call tumblr
>want advice
>read a lot of these threads
>realise ic is more critical than any other board
>artists here tell other artists to kill themselves because their art isn't good enough
can't we just all get along ;-;

[Anonymous No.2643119]

>>2643118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYMJ4X-HMs

[Anonymous No.2643120]

>>2643119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEZ5IM5KNXw

[Anonymous No.2643121]

>>2643118
stop wanting a hugbox, it stagnates you

you want to get better, i know you do

start learning how to filter critique

[Anonymous No.2643123]

>>2643025
It takes him 16 minutes to explain contour lines in a really convoluted way?

I unironically like Sycra. He has """"""""""""good""""""""""" art and whatever but I can't believe he's still teaching.

[Anonymous No.2643130]

>>2643121
I don't want a hug box I just don't want to be told to kill myself.

I do but I've been stuck doing the same art for years now, my stuff is crap compared to even there post basic stuff here. I use a .2 felt tip for everything.

[Anonymous No.2643142]

>>2643130
Why? You don't want to be told to kill yourself because you take anonymous orders over the internet?

Like I said, just filter critique and ignore blatant trolls.

A lot of people come to /ic/ to get a reality check and start studying the 'right way.' Better to do it now than four years down the road.

[Anonymous No.2643145]

>>2643130
>getting butthurt because some cunt on the internet told you to kill yourself

Kill yourself you thin-skinned faggot

[Anonymous No.2643147]

>>2643130
lmao kille yourselfie

[Anonymous No.2643149]

rate? I enjoy painting, trying out a new style which could look good.

[Anonymous No.2643154]

>>2643130
>ask not to be told to kill yourself

>on 4chan

Man, I wonder what people will reply with.

[Anonymous No.2643167]

>tfw can draw with wrist
>when using shoulder, skill decreases by 40%
Clearing this barrier will help right, because it irks me to suck when it's just weak shoulder stability. I can't even focus on my studies because my arm is in the way.

[Anonymous No.2643173]

>>2642403

Sad to say, but this is one of my better pen drawings.

[Anonymous No.2643190]

>>2643173
This guy's face is a prime example of not everything following perfect proportions. Recheck the reference and see the difference in elngth of his nose to his chin

[Anonymous No.2643219]

>>2643190

Yeah after scanning it and comparing it to the original I can see all the flaws. It's just hard to keep it all in perspective when the pen is in my hand.

I'll give it another shot after some sleep.

[Anonymous No.2643236]

Is there anything glaringly wrong with my neck and head here? id like to start doing more with faces and heads, heard that immediately connecting them to the neck was a good exercise to keep in mind.

[Anonymous No.2643238]

it is really difficult

[Anonymous No.2643241]

Should I continue or kill myself?

[Anonymous No.2643242]

>>2643241
I think you should resize your image and stop painting on toilet paper

[Anonymous No.2643245]

>>2643130
I agree anon, I'm not really a fan of the negative culture here. Honesty and bluntness is definitely important, but there's nothing constructive about hurling insults. If you block that out though, plenty of people here give decent advice.

[Anonymous No.2643269]

>>2643242
its called watercolor paper le edgy artsy fartsy faggit
>>2643241
keep practicing man, try to take your attention off the emotion that you dont like it, and rather find what you dont like exactly, and try to find another way to do it. look up watercolor painting videos. copy their technique if you like.
there are only so many ways to learn it. the more you do it the better you will become.

[Anonymous No.2643278]

>>2643028
That anon doesn't seem to know how to explain shit, so let me do it for you: He meant the "black and white". Value is the lightness or darkness of the image, independent of the colors. It's the shading, basically.

[Anonymous No.2643334]

>>2643269
Why are you replying to yourself?

[Anonymous No.2643342]

Matt DAMON

[Anonymous No.2643344]

>>2643342
more like Matt DEMON

xD

[Anonymous No.2643346]

>>2642504
>>2642523

>Thinking he's actually ovopack

Come on lads.

[Anonymous No.2643349]

>>2642892
Drawabox is just an inferior substitute to Peter Han anyway.

[Anonymous No.2643353]

im not sure how to do the doggo in other perspectives. body construction is confusing me a bit too :/

[Anonymous No.2643356]

>>2643342
It's... nice though.

[Anonymous No.2643360]

Be honest lads, is my drawing shit? I just started and this is what I've come up with.

[Anonymous No.2643391]

>>2643360
yes, it's literally shit. Read sticky.

[Anonymous No.2643392]

>>2643391
>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make your mom proud.
judgemental aren't we lad

[Anonymous No.2643394]

>>2643392
but 4year olds draw better pictures

[Anonymous No.2643395]

>>2643392
He's not wrong

[Anonymous No.2643418]

>>2643103
Yeah it's sub par to his other work, at the same time has everything any artist ever made always been amazing? Rhetorical.

[Anonymous No.2643428]

>>2643392
Welcome to /ic/

[Anonymous No.2643431]

>>2643360
>absolute beginner
>Is it shit?

What... what did you want someone to say?

hit up the sticky

[Anonymous No.2643448]

>>2643392
Well he kinda asked for it.

[Anonymous No.2643452]

>>2643360
These are the worst drawings I've ever seen. Not even kidding.

[Anonymous No.2643466]

>>2643360
Step 1: stop trying to draw manga/anime
Step 2: read the fucking sticky
Step 3: do the fucking exercises in the fucking sticky

The good news is that you can only get better (assuming you're not just trolling)

[Anonymous No.2643482]

>>2643360
new OP image next thread?

[Anonymous No.2643486]

>>2643012
Thanks, so you would recommend building up the form very lightly and then filling in values and erasing the construction lines as I go?

[Anonymous No.2643506]

Someone posted a video some time ago titled "Drawing Efficiently" or something like that

In it there was an old asianbro talking about drawing and showcasing stuff, he was also more of an architect/designer than an artist I think because a good chunk of his video was dedicated to that

I think it was something really helpful but I didn't watch it and my PC shut down and I erased history after that...and well if anyone knows please share the link.

Also I posted this in an old thread, but can someone explain pic related to me? I do not understand how he overlays normal layers over each other when they will cover each other, or is the implication that grey parts in Normal layers are not there.

[Anonymous No.2643507]

How much do i need to know before i can start to stylize something? should i be able to draw it at least somewhat realistically?

[Anonymous No.2643509]

>>2643506
I replied to you, check your old post.

[Anonymous No.2643512]

>>2643507
That's up to you, anon. No one can tell you what to do or when you're ready. Only you can. Realism just helps you make communication easier because as you know abstract art is vague.

[Anonymous No.2643513]

>>2643507
People would say enough to have your realistic drawings look passable or good enough for the draw thread. Take it from another beginner but try experimenting lightly BUT since you are still actually a beginner you should study more than draw stylized things. Eveyrthing in moderation, but experimenting is fun too.

[Anonymous No.2643517]

>>2643512
>>2643513
Well i want to have the knowledge to apply reality to something with stylistic elements. So i guess should experiment, but realism never seems to click with me properly, ill still keep studying so that i can produce something as close to as possible but id like to try out other stuff too.What'd you think? what level is really a good idea to start branching off

[Anonymous No.2643518]

>>2643509
Thanks anon
sorry, I am just really tired and sleepy

[Anonymous No.2643519]

>>2643236
Nigga the pit of the neck is one "cranium" down from the original cranium (the sphere you drew to start the head)

[Anonymous No.2643524]

>>2643519
So should i be able to fit another cranium ball beneath the chin, or the first ball?

[Anonymous No.2643526]

>>2643524
Instead of me explaining it have this

[Anonymous No.2643527]

>>2643526
So beneath the ball then

[Anonymous No.2643528]

>>2643517
When your anatomy is correct, it means people won't complain as much, so do that. It doesn't even matter about your gesture, just as long as anatomy is a-ok. That's good enough to fix everything else.

[Anonymous No.2643535]

>>2642408
>>2642416
>>2642461
>>2642465
>>2642475
>>2642493

tried out another layout , but i most likely made it even worse

[Anonymous No.2643536]

>>2643535
stupid phone keeps flipping images

[Anonymous No.2643550]

So I've noticed that whenever I try to add breasts to whatever it is I am drawing especially smaller breast they tend to look a bit off. Am I just placing the breast too far apart or am I making the shoulder width and rib-cage too wide?

[Anonymous No.2643554]

>>2643550
if you want draw the small , you should try to make them flatter instead or try out to find just the right distance. small breasts that look like these do exist , but they always look awkward.

[Anonymous No.2643555]

>>2643550
Waaaay too far apart!
Just look for some tits on Google to see the position.

[Anonymous No.2643556]

>>2643535

[Anonymous No.2643561]

[Anonymous No.2643565]

>>2643556
what the actual fuck am i doing.

i guess i shouldnt draw when i am already half asleep. thanks for the help

[Anonymous No.2643568]

>>2643565
I think your drawings are too edgy (quite literally)

[Anonymous No.2643570]

The structure is eluding me.help? maybe i should move on to another animal for a bit.

[Anonymous No.2643583]

erghhhhhh this is really hard

[Anonymous No.2643584]

>>2643561
You angled his face in the wrong direction by putting his left eye and nose on a downward slant to our right, whereas in the ref he's looking to his right and his eyes, nose and mouth should be slanting down to our left.

[Anonymous No.2643587]

>>2642571
Check out Erik Olson's "Perspective for Artists" videos and Scott Robertson's "how to draw" books and videos. They'll teach you everything you need to know about perspective. It's where every new artist should start if they're hoping to draw in 3 dimensions.

[Anonymous No.2643598]

>>2643570

[Anonymous No.2643601]

Quick joker sketch after reading The Killing Joke

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2643607]

I've been working on building forms from imagination, and am gonna start doing more realistic vehicles next week after I've practiced this stuff a bit more.
Can anyone advise on how to make these forms show a bit more depth? I put a lot of work into constructing everything accurately in perspective, but then I only show the contour of the objects and they look pretty plain. These are some of the better ones where I put some contour lines on to help.
I haven't practiced values yet, but I'd like to get some critiques early on while I'm still just doing basic lines and shapes.

[Anonymous No.2643615]

Done a bit more from last post, probably gonna continue it on Monday. Any current thought guys?

[Anonymous No.2643623]

>>2643607

[Anonymous No.2643625]

>>2643601
That head doesn't have planes because these look like features drawn on a head outline.

[Anonymous No.2643628]

>>2643607
Look up Scott Robertson's How To Draw, his book gives some advice on that and in general covers exactly what you're trying to do.

[Anonymous No.2643648]

>>2643623
Saved, thanks!

>>2643628
That's actually exactly what I'm doing right now. I watched the "How to Draw" video on the weekend and this week I've been practicing the methods he showed for building forms.
I haven't looked at the book yet. Most of the video was just covering basic perspective stuff, which I've already done. Does the book have more about building forms? .

[Anonymous No.2643653]

other than the obvi filter and quality of the image (i don't have a cam or scanner atm) what can i do to make this POP even more? Or general things i can do better?

[Anonymous No.2643656]

>>2643653
knowing how to draw would make it pop x1000

[Anonymous No.2643658]

>>2643648
Got confused, the specific advice is in "How to Render".

To be honest, the two things that will make your form show depth are shading, or volume lines, If you don't feel confident enough to shade yet just keep adding section lines like you did on the volumes of the pic you just posted.

[Anonymous No.2643670]

>>2643648
its a shitty picture, but your perspective is not half bad. keep on practicing your starting to get it!

[Anonymous No.2643671]

>>2643656
are you saying that just to be a dick or is my work really shit?
---
Sucks not having a ruler or a place within a 10 mile radius that sells one :(

[Anonymous No.2643673]

>>2643653
good crosshatching, really bad face and hair, it doesn't fit with the rest of the pic, try studying faces from a thumbnail size.

[Anonymous No.2643676]

>>2643653
construction/anatomy/references/understanding values

[Anonymous No.2643680]

>>2643671
you can make a ruler, with a book. us the bridge of a book or even a notebook can become a ruler, really anything machine cut can be a ruler. use your fucking head! not literally, that would be a horrible ruler.

[Anonymous No.2643687]

>>2643673
off time yeah that's my main study. Thx
>>2643676
very helpful, mind goin' a little more in-depth for my own sake?
>>2643680
been usin' a copy of catcher in the rye but it's gettin' dull. This is actually the case more paper-like things that can be used as a ruler. I might end up usin' a spatula but shit that is going to be tough.

[Anonymous No.2643693]

>>2643687
im still unsure why you need a ruler, all of your work is circular in nature!?!?!?!?

[Anonymous No.2643694]

hey i got a question. should i learn how tro draw shapes before i start anything? like i try tro craw circles but its so fucking chicken scratched its sad what do you guys think i should learn first if i want to improve for my chicken scratches??

[Anonymous No.2643699]

>>2643693
mainly to help me out with spacing. I don't have an eye to space and would like some sort of symmetry on human faces. Those fucking eyes yo

[Anonymous No.2643703]

>>2643584
thanks it did look off to me when I was rendering, but didn't know how to reorient the head without redoing all of it. Should I have just redone it?

[Anonymous No.2643718]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2643720]

>>2643718
ref for comparison

[Anonymous No.2643724]

>>2643718
You're relying too much on the silhouette line - the lips and teeth are even drawn inside that one "M" shape instead of having their own volumes. Think 3D, not 2D.

Also, that ear is super tiny.

[Anonymous No.2643726]

any advice on rendering fur subtly? like soft fur. i noticed that when i tried to render fur on the cat's forehead it ended up looking coarse and awful so i basically tried to cover it up

any feedback would be nice

[Anonymous No.2643732]

>>2643726
reference in question

[Anonymous No.2643737]

>>2643726
The left eye is out of proportion

[Anonymous No.2643741]

>>2643718
Proportions are seriously out of wack. You made her face gigantic while her cranium is tiny and her neck is too small.

To see where you messed up, compare the two side by side, perhaps even do an overlay.

[Anonymous No.2643768]

>>2643658
Ah thanks, I'm definitely not ready for rendering yet, I still have a lot to learn before I get to that level of detail, but I'll try to clean up my lines a bit.

>>2643670
Thanks!
I've gotten more comfortable with this stuff since I drew that picture so I've moved on to digital stuff. I'll get back to practicing and post more stuff to be critiqued later, so as to not shit up the thread with too much of my stuff at once.

[Anonymous No.2643772]

How have I done?

[Anonymous No.2643774]

>>2643694
Yes, begin with perspective, which will teach you to draw basic shapes and lines in 3-dimensional space. This is the core of drawing from life, and ultimately from imagination, and having a strong understanding of perspective will make it easier to learn everything else.

[Anonymous No.2643796]

Fairly close to getting this done but I can't seem to get the face right and it's putting me off working on the clothes and the head cover. What's going on?

[Anonymous No.2643798]

>>2643173
I think this is lacking immensely in basic 3D thought.

People treat draw-a-box like a joke on here for some stupid reason, but it's actually very beneficial.

You should go through that course. You'll come out way better at 3D thought by the end.

[Anonymous No.2643800]

Reposting for serious crit not involving the placement of the pencil in the frame, which has been removed in order not to trigger any pencil-sensitive individual.

Any major flaw with my progress so far?
I'm cool with it, I can't notice anything particularly off, but I need a fresh pair of eyes to notice.

[Anonymous No.2643806]

>>2643796
You know those 3D images in which you cross your eyes then refocus so they merge together?
If you place ref and drawing closer together, you can cross-eye them, if something is off you won't be able to focus on that detail, and it will appear blurry and flashing.

Try on this image, I can focus on most parts, but the upper lip flashes a lot, which means it's not perfectly aligned with the ref.

[Anonymous No.2643809]

>>2643806
I see what you mean top-right part of the upper lip is too small. The ear is a bit off (mine is a bit darker) and the nose is slightly curved in the ref while mine is a straight line.

[Anonymous No.2643813]

>>2643809
Can you do the cross-eyed thing?

It's awesome, I see everything that is off, it would help you a lot.

Unfortunately it's just a faint flashing, so I can't point out where exactly it is off, but her left cheek flashes, so does the space inbetween the eyebrows and her right eyebrow just barely.

The neck is a blurry mess because of the uneven shading, unfortunately.

I should do this with my own drawings... it's going to be tough since I draw on paper, though.

[Anonymous No.2643814]

>that technique where you ghost draw the line a few times before actually doing it
This is fun, it makes every line an event. Like 'should I have practised more?' 'Will this be ok?' 'I'm having doubts' 'I did it!'

apology for poor english

[Anonymous No.2643818]

>>2643813
I have strabismus so no :/

[Anonymous No.2643826]

Is Draw a Box really just 3 lessons? I did lesson 1 in like no time at all!

[Anonymous No.2643836]

>>2643818
Damnit, that really saddens me a lot, I can try and point out the spots where it flashes the most, I'll be your eyes in a a way.

This is what I saw flashing the most, I didn't consider the shading on the neck, clothes, and "hat" as they still need work and are a complete flashing mess.

Care giving me a crit on my drawing? I need a fresh pair of eyes to notice what's off :) >>2643800

[Anonymous No.2643839]

>>2643814
>I will never be this annoyingly, youthfully optimistic ever again

[Anonymous No.2643844]

>>2643839
>annoyingly
I am not annoying!

[Anonymous No.2643855]

>>2643844
I want to see more RP threads on 4chan DESU this is funny to watch

[Anonymous No.2643878]

>>2643800
It's a bit difficult to see. There's a lot of graphite shine. Flip the image in an image editor and you'll see that the eyes are not in perspective. Are you using references? Can you upload the original image?

[Anonymous No.2643900]

>>2642993
So since lines don't exist, should a beginner just move ahead to doing values. I still haven't made the move and have been refining my line skills, but I think it may be putting me in a bad habit then.

[Anonymous No.2643907]

>>2643878
Yeah, pictures and scans always look horrible, it's much darker on paper.

Mirroring the image is a clever idea... OH GOD THOSE EYES.

Yup, I guess you are right.

Here is the ref (please don't kill me for using a game screenshot):

[Anonymous No.2643916]

I posted in a beginner thread a while ago, anon told me to read keys to drawing and come back. After much procrastination here's my 2nd serious attempt at the first exercise.

[Anonymous No.2643947]

>>2643916
>mfw I did this exercise without shoes on
looked like i was drawing dog poopy

[Anonymous No.2643950]

>>2643947
Post it fambam

[Anonymous No.2643951]

>>2643916

Try some continuous contour drawings again with your feet, and then simply draw some shoes and other simple objects, like a mug/cup, bottle, or an upside down chair. Notice the relationship of certain features to help accurately draw them image. Time yourself, with 2, 5 and 10 minute drawings, if you find yourself done way ahead of 10 mins and it doesn't look too bad at all, you maybe rushing and need to slow down and notice the relationship of certain features with one another irl and your image.

[Anonymous No.2643955]

>>2643951
Thanks for the next step, I'll keep this in mind

[Anonymous No.2643964]

>>2643950
did it over a year ago sorry

[Anonymous No.2643973]

>>2643964
Do it again and post it fambino

[Anonymous No.2644005]

What does he mean by this? the part I highlighted?

Have I been awake too long? I literally cannot make sense of this sentence.

[Anonymous No.2644021]

>>2642715
Good shit mane, it's pretty nice

[Anonymous No.2644040]

>>2643955

Np, after that you may want to look towards doing some negative space exercises and cross contour exercises to help too later on.

[Anonymous No.2644045]

How does one stop chicken scratching

[Anonymous No.2644048]

>>2644045
Wow, that's good.

[Anonymous No.2644050]

>>2644045
Confidence. Every line has a purpose. Know why and where youre going to place your next line before you put it down.

[Anonymous No.2644051]

>>2644045
Chickenscratching is something I've found to be almost natural at this stage. You need to mentally tell yourself "this line will be done in one stroke and it's going to be correct." Have faith in your own hand and eventually you'll get over it.

[Anonymous No.2644054]

[Anonymous No.2644096]

>>2644045

Continous contour line exercises, aka. where you draw the entire figure without lifting your pencil. Or work in pen and make mindful marks. If you are going to transfer it to digital it really doesn't matter cus' with layers and saving an image in different steps is very forgiving. But it is still very beneficial to be able to make clean, accurate and fast drawings.

[Anonymous No.2644103]

>tfw you're never gonna make it.
All the studies in the world won't help me.

[Anonymous No.2644110]

>>2644045
http://drawabox.com

I'm only the first lesson in, but what they covered in that first lesson I think would benefit you.

[Anonymous No.2644119]

Sting from lotr

[Anonymous No.2644128]

>>2643964
I LOVE YOU

[Anonymous No.2644139]

>>2644110
Would this benefit in digital as well

[Anonymous No.2644142]

>>2644103
pbw1

[Anonymous No.2644148]

>>2644139
Well, he specifically recommends people not to do it digitally or with a pencil, but with ink.

http://drawabox.com/article/ink

[Anonymous No.2644160]

>>2644142
literally what?

[Anonymous No.2644165]

>>2644148
>tfw doing the exercises super killed my tip
Yeah, okay. Not going to do that anymore or I'll have to drop 10$ soon.

[Anonymous No.2644177]

>>2642956
Hey thanks for the tip, will do

>>2644021
Thank you m8

[Anonymous No.2644200]

>>2644160
>he doesn't even know about pbw1

[Anonymous No.2644205]

>>2644054
ayyy i didnt know you still posted, the last time i visited this place was in december... times change

[Anonymous No.2644210]

[Anonymous No.2644242]

This is project 1-F (drawing mechanical/complex objects) from Dodson's Keys to Drawing

The aim was to focus on drawing observed shapes (starting with large outlines, then filling in with smaller shapes as you go) and not mental objects

I tried to use more confident strokes here, sort of estimating what the proportions were before putting my pencil down (the bottom is messier b/c harder + got tired)

How did I do w.r.t. these goals? Should I try a different object? Is it hopeless for me?

[Anonymous No.2644267]

>>2642888
his triceps are missing

[Anonymous No.2644268]

>>2642898
it looks like a tracing of that guy from new order

pro tip - stop tracing

[Anonymous No.2644273]

>>2643844
>look at me guys!!! I'm a anime
leave please

[Anonymous No.2644279]

>>2643726
You need a wider range of values, it currently looks like he's absorbing all the light.

[Anonymous No.2644319]

>>2643149
I'm not good with nor very experienced with water color but if you're going to do a detail as geometric as this, then you should make the lines straighter. It has the potential to be a nice looking style but I don't like seeing the crooked lines.

[Anonymous No.2644320]

>>2644210
Why do you have a total of one pixel per inch

[Anonymous No.2644351]

>>2642593
Think of spine and what it does. Try drawing your lines through the body.

Look at those river gesture. In your figure gestures you basically drew the contour of river (body) and ditched arrows completly, and they are the gesture. At your Bruce Lee example, you could draw neck with only one "c" line, that would be in place of spine, then in torso there is another "c" line of spine that also goes middle through body, third "c" line is at pelvis. Those lines together make "S" shape of spine.

His right arm you could also draw with one or two CONTINUOUS curved lines.

[m No.2644367]

can i post a copy of my favorite artist?
most in /ic/ don't like weeb or manga shit
but it's just personal study

[Anonymous No.2644377]

>>2644367
sure

[m No.2644379]

>>2644377
i copied entire panel of page 3
it looks like shit than original work
but i tried

some faggot think
"another faggot wasted time on copying manga" but who cares

critiques are appreciate

[Anonymous No.2644383]

>>2644379
what a cute girl

[Anonymous No.2644386]

Help

[Anonymous No.2644397]

>>2644386
>all the knowledge in the world at his fingertips
>still too dumb to use it
Look at the skeleton picture I linked you before nigga the shoulders should be a lot wider

[Anonymous No.2644403]

>>2644397
Head and neck is two balls long, shoulders/clavicle 3. need to find some stuff on neck muscles.

[Anonymous No.2644441]

>>2643800
Disclaimer, I am a new fag too.

For black and white drawing I would recommend you get some black ink, a brush, charcoal of various hardness, and graphite pencils of various hardness. Play around with those and see the range of values u can achieve.

Find where your darkest areas are and fill those in first. Those dark values will give you some thing to better judge the rest of the values against. Be bold with your values and dont worry about smooth gradations or smudging shit. I would recommend you stop smudging to learn how to map out shadow shapes.

A simple exerciser to get better at this would be grouping similar values together. Start with two values, then three, then four, and so on to 9. Working with only 3 values and NO gradation is going to help a lot with seeing values.

[Anonymous No.2644443]

hmm, not really feeling it today... that's okay though, least I got something out.

[Anonymous No.2644465]

does anyone else feel proko skips alot/moves too fast.

[Anonymous No.2644514]

>>2644441
Thanks for the advice!

The picture actually lightens the values, it is considerably darker.
Still, I can't find a pencil with a nice dark colour, I have to press really hard to make it pop, and it still is just grey. I use a HB pencil now.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by mapping out shadow and working with fixed values.

As I progress the drawing I put more lines where it is darker, but it looks like shit until I smudge it with my finger... I basically draw with a finger and use the pencil just to lay down graphite.

Do you have any reference which explains this visually, like a book or tutorial? Sounds like it might help me a lot, thanks.

[Anonymous No.2644525]

What do you guys think of REIQ?

[Anonymous No.2644540]

>>2644525
I jerk off to his stuff that's it.

[Anonymous No.2644543]

>>2644465
funny I was just thinking he explains things in way too much detail making it hard for some people to decipher.

[Anonymous No.2644557]

Reference: http://insurgent.ru/sites/default/files/raznoe/letov2.jpg

Portrait drawing is fun, but I want to get to figure drawing so I have to learn how to draw some basic shapes first and I'm really bad at basic shapes and I feel that portrait drawing isn't helping me much on that matter. Should I grind draw a box or do something else? I need some sort of direction.

[Anonymous No.2644569]

>>2643105
>>2643900
there are no bad habits if ur skilled enough, reserved values and linework can both look cool. just practice what you want to get better at which should be everything at this point if ur beginners

if you want to increase your value range start with pure white and pure black. you can't get any wider than that

[Anonymous No.2644581]

>>2644514
Pic (Not mine) is an example of a 2 value still life.
Video is demonstrating simplified values and mapping shadows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxiM4uORjq8
What I meant by "Mapping shadows" is that you are grouping things into larger categories. This is light and this is dark. Group all values to either dark or light depending on what it is closest to. Then you can start sub dividing it with a third value and so on.

Watch that whole series on seeing value and get some more supplies. I use in order of dark to light: 4B Charcoal, 4B Ebony Graphite, 2B Graphite, HB graphite. You dont have to use those exact ones but you get the idea. Have a range of pencils from dark to light to help you lay down the correct value with the least work.

[Anonymous No.2644590]

>>2643486
yeah man try whatever sounds good to you.

i wouldnt go out of my way to erase construction lines, think of the eraser as 'drawing with white' instead of removing what you've drawn

[Anonymous No.2644599]

>>2644543
that too

[Anonymous No.2644620]

>>2644581
Very good, thanks a lot kind Anon, I will treasure this information and look for supplies, that will surely help with the lame and flat values I have in all my drawings.

[Anonymous No.2644632]

Is this any better?

[Anonymous No.2644641]

>>2643346
>knowing who ovopack is
Furfag

[Anonymous No.2644660]

>ref used:
http://65.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me6776tbIs1qgquaxo1_1280.jpg

A little more attention to values this time

>>2644569
Thanks, I will try this
I personally want to get realistic values if not even exaggerate the planes, I like it better for the time being

[konnr No.2644717]

in the top example i drew over the reference image, I did the bottom one first though.

basically, do i just suck at seeing shapes or construction or what's going on here?

[konnr No.2644720]

>>2644717
What can I do too actually render these as drawings?

[konnr No.2644721]

>>2644720
felt like i made a breakthrough with a more difficult angle which is weird. seems like when drawing a face at a straight on view i get messed up.

[Anonymous No.2644723]

>>2644717
Stop drawing digitally you fucking faggot, how many times does this have to be repeated over and overashjsfngosndognsdonbsdnbosdnbds
Yes, I am mad.
Pick up a fucking pencil and paper to train your fundamentals until you are good with them on paper. Training in irl with pen and paper develops your sens of form a lot faster and more intuitively than when you are doing it with a tablet.
Pick up Loomis or whatever, take your pen and pencil and study seeing form/understanding form/drawing for .

That's it. It will literally take you one month to be at least okay, casual form like head tilted and such is not hard to understand.

[konnr No.2644725]

>>2644717
last one.

[konnr No.2644728]

>>2644723
i've done loomis,

[Anonymous No.2644729]

>>2644721
Either way you are not actually seeing the form or understanding it, currently what you are trying to do is draw guidelines that vaguely resemble the shape of the head, then you apply the symbols you have in your mind to said guideline.

Take pen and paper, study form and understand how the object actually behaves in 3 dimensional space, once you get that down at least to some degree you will see a gigantic leap instantly.

[Anonymous No.2644731]

>>2644728
Are you dense? Do you think that the point of Loomis or any guide book or practice in general is to go through once course and that's it? You grind it on paper with these tutorial books at least until you have basic understanding of form.

Return to Loomis practice and general practice on paper, not in digital format.

[Anonymous No.2644733]

>>2644720
You also clearly do not measure, look at his head shape and compare his head height to it's width, don't just draw intuitively because you don't have innate understanding of form yet, your intuition does not guide your properly.
The general shape of his head and especially his face is a lot more squareish than elongated, you need to make the face shorter and his hair stick out more.
Now compare length of nose to the width and height of eyes, they should be a lot lowr and larger in size, etc.

Since your sense of form is not developed yet at least try to practice it on conscious level by constantly comparing sizes of body parts to some sort of a reference point, like a nose or something.

[Anonymous No.2644737]

>>2644242
A-anyone?

[Anonymous No.2644740]

>>2644242
>>2644737
Post your old artwork

Also the best advice I can give you now is to stop randomly making shapes in 3d space, perspective is your friend, use guidelines if you don't have innate sense of perspective developed yet.
It's fucked up everywhere but here is the simplest and most visible example.

[Anonymous No.2644741]

>>2644729
>>2644731
>>2644733
I have pencil and paper out, I've drawn hundreds of boxes and shapes, what more can I do to develop a sense of form?

[Anonymous No.2644742]

>>2644737
>>2644740
Also I don't remember, are you allowed to use perspective grids to train your sense of perspective in said assignement?

If not you should still post your other work so we have something to compare to.

[Anonymous No.2644746]

>>2644741
draw hundreds more, also, post your boxes and shapes

[Anonymous No.2644750]

>>2644741
Stop drawing just boxes and shapes, move on to other Loomis books like Drawing the Head and Hands or try another writer, that does not really matter, they are all just informational sources and something for you to observe/study from.

My suggestion is to actually make a conscious effort to understand and visualize form. A simple example is this
>>2644733
As I said you did not actually try to understand the form of the guy or his head shape, you just sort of drew a guideline of what you thought his headshape looked like vaguely and then applied your symbols to it.

Instead look at his eye, what is its shape like? A Tear turned sideways? Draw that, how big is the nose compared to that? How far away is it? etc.

That's what guidelines is built from and that's how you eventually completely remove the guideline. Study the form itself and how the shapes in the form relate to each other in size, perspective and shape.

My good advice to you would be the following, take any of these portraits and try to do what I told you.
>Compare the overall shape to some shape, visualize and measure it's height and width, which one should be more and by how much
>Slowly place parts of the face on the shape constantly comparing each other in size and shape and then comparing it back to the original
>Do it as thoughtfully as you can

It has to click on a mental level for you to do the quick Wacom sketch the way you want it right now.

[Anonymous No.2644760]

>>2644741
Another beginner here. You got the right idea to study the shape of his head by tracing it as a beginner, but you did not actually evaluate any information from the trace. Try to actually break down the original heads form into smaller forms and compare their proportions.

Pic related, I hope it's more visible how far you are off this way.

[Anonymous No.2644761]

>>2644760
oh god my eyes

[Anonymous No.2644764]

>>2644746
Bad lighting

[konnr No.2644772]

>>2644764
did these very quickly, unconsciously.

>>2644761
can you do better?

>>2644750
>Compare the overall shape to some shape, visualize and measure it's height and width, which one should be more and by how much
>Slowly place parts of the face on the shape constantly comparing each other in size and shape and then comparing it back to the original
>Do it as thoughtfully as you can
I'll try that then.

[Anonymous No.2644776]

>>2644764
Your line is not confident, you can barely retain form and I doubt you've trained your fundamentals anywhere near even one full month.
What made you think this is enough to switch to Wacom? It's better for your own sake to become confident with your art, just let it sink in man, keep grinding it.

You will know when to switch to digital because you will be able to do what you want with digital on paper. If you can not construct a head/face with pen and paper you won't be able to magically do it with wacom either.

Go on to more complex books other than fun with pencil and grind your fundamentals until you are confident enough with them.

[Anonymous No.2644778]

>>2644772
>can you do better?
red on grey hurts nigga

[konnr No.2644786]

>>2644776
alright, i'll pick up heads and hands and grind it out.

>What made you think this is enough to switch to Wacom?

Just figured i'd switch for the convenience

[Anonymous No.2644788]

>>2644772
>I'll try that
You do that, it's crucial, it's one of the essential parts of any art class.
Measuring the form and training your so called eye-meter or whatever you want to call is one of the greatest steps you can take to achieving a better understanding of form.

Think of it this way, take your pen and measure in a typical artist pen tip way, how many times does the eye fit in the nose, how many eyes fit in the width of the head etc. that way you can take it slowly and safely until you finish your structurally perfect shape.

Eventually this knowledge will become innate to your mind and you won't need to constantly check it.

[Anonymous No.2644800]

>>2644786
The thing about digital is that you will not gain almost any discipline and real life hand eye coordination unless you already have some basic fundamentals and innate twitch movements to build further upon with convenience of digital.

Now if you don't have money to constantly buy paper and pencil you can continue to do digital, but you need to be careful and I would strongly suggest to do traditional first at least until you have basic understanding of fundamentals and can do a simple task of constructing a human shape.

Godpseed anon and don't give up, just try to absorb the knowledge that is often repeated on /ic/ because it's useful for everyone.

[Anonymous No.2644808]

>>2644725
Why is measuring angles so fucking hard for you people

[Anonymous No.2644814]

>>2644808
People seem to forget measuring at all, and forget that measuring is the primary way by which we build form regardless if we do it consciously or not.

[Anonymous No.2644818]

>>2644740
>>2644742
This book is on the absolute basics, so I don't know how to use perspective grids. Thanks for the pointer though, I get what you're saying.

This is my older "artwork" from earlier assignments. Pretty embarrassing lol.

[Anonymous No.2644822]

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[Anonymous No.2644823]

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[Anonymous No.2644826]

Okay

Now that I've proven to myself that this is pointless,
How to learn do do this properly? Every time it looks like this, I erased the right eye a couple of times now and it always looks retarded. Do I have a brain defect? Can you develop a skill of copying pictures?

[Anonymous No.2644829]

>>2644776
Not that anon but are there any alternatives to draw-a-box for understanding form?
I feel like I did first two parts and didn't learn shit, it has a single intersection exercise and that's where relations of two 3D objects in space start and end in draw-a-box. Or should I just redo it until my nose starts to bleed?
I try to draw from references now but I don't feel like it's very helpful since references are two-dimensional
Or I should just grind portraits until I get placement and proportions right? I've posted two shitty portraits in this and previous thread but received 0 feedback, not even "stop symbolic drawing" or something, I feel lost

[Anonymous No.2644833]

>>2644826
>Can you develop a skill of copying pictures?
No, now what would you do if that were the answer?

[Anonymous No.2644834]

>>2644833
never draw again

[Anonymous No.2644839]

>>2644834
Then the answer is no.

[Anonymous No.2644840]

>>2644829
Draw-a-box and all of that is irrelevant, those are tools and I grew up without them.
You don't need to question the exercise itself, but your approach to it.

I know this sounds really abstract and maybe even stupid, but approach this like actual research. Do not actually draw the box, like literally on a mathematical level Calculate it like this.
>Divide a box that is in perspective in half, how many times does the upper half from middle to the top corner fit in the lower part etc.
Basically you have to do mental geometry with as little help as possible, maybe using your pen as a measuring device sometimes to help you out. It's not really harder than that.

Like right now find any random cube on google and visualize a grid on, on said grid introduce an arbitrary measurement or some sort and create one plane by comparing the height of the corners of said plane via your arbitrary measurements.
Once you do one plane compare the location of on of the corners of another plane to the original plane and connect it, now slowly recreate the second plane etc.

[Anonymous No.2644845]

>>2644826
Read several posts above, please, for the love of God this is a fucking thread, do you understand that information posted here is applicable to all of your general drawing skill?

Read the fucking thread, most of the discussion is about the measurements right this instant.

[Anonymous No.2644852]

>>2644826
You seem to struggle drawing a simple line anon, and I assure you using a tablet contributes to that
Don't do digital unless you're more or less confident with pencil

[Anonymous No.2644855]

>>2644852
lmao those are just sketch lines and what would it give me if the line was perfect if the image was still crooked

[Anonymous No.2644857]

>>2644855
>sketch lines

someone tell me this is the hot new meme

>i'm not chickenscratching, my lines aren't jerky, those are sketch lines

[Anonymous No.2644863]

>>2644857
yes I am chickenscratching but this will not be the part of the final image, unlinke chikenscratching on paper
As long as I measure the angles, proportions and generally copy the image correctly, I don't think how initial chickenscratching is any wrong

[Anonymous No.2644880]

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NEW THREAD

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[Anonymous No.2644994]

>>2644863
>I don't think initial chickenscratching is wrong
I hate to be this guy, but if you don't change your attitude, you're not. gonna. make. it.

[Anonymous No.2645103]

>>2643360
Think of it this way senpai: if you ever make it big, your progression image is going to be legendary

[Anonymous No.2647251]

>>2642622
You're symbol drawing. And the face is flat due to no understanding of construction, bones etc.