/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.2632861]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make your mom proud.

AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a question thread for that.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead (also images shouldn't come out accidentally sideways with this method)

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit

>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

Old thread: >>2629899

[Anonymous No.2632862]

[Anonymous No.2632865]

[Anonymous No.2632866]

[Anonymous No.2632867]

[Anonymous No.2632869]

[Anonymous No.2632870]

[Anonymous No.2632872]

[Anonymous No.2632877]

>>2632861
hngggg muh dick

[Maya gun No.2632908]

>>2632870
>>2632872
if i draw either of these how will i explain them to my mother if she finds them?

[Anonymous No.2632923]

>>2632908
Tell her you're not gay so you'd rather draw a female body than a male one.

[Anonymous No.2632941]

So I am kinda confused with forms. For example when you do a normal pose you can just use an oval for the rib cage and stuff. But besides starting with a center line where do you even begin with trying to draw the form of the torso and hips for pics like this.

[Anonymous No.2632951]

>>2632941
I don't know but more please

[Anonymous No.2632954]

>>2632941
muH DICK

[Anonymous No.2632956]

>>2632941
too ez

[Maya gun No.2632958]

What is often better. Drawing from imagination. Or drawing from real life? or a mix of the two?

[Anonymous No.2632963]

>>2632865
wtf man

[Anonymous No.2632966]

>>2632941
Just draw the ribcage, you can see enough of it there, then draw the hips which are clearly visible too.

[Anonymous No.2632968]

>>2632908
Tell her you want to improve your drawing abilities and that figure drawing has been an excercise for better drawing in general and better drawing of the figure in particular since centuries and show her some michelangelo or whatever. Tell her there are life drawing classes dedicated to drawing the nude model and that images you found on the net on tasteful blogs like this http://nakedmoondance.tumblr.com/ or sites specifically labeled as artist's resource like http://www.onairvideo.com/croquis-cafe-photos.html are the next best thing.

Otherwise, if you or your mother are still not okay with that, just hide it really well or burn it afterwards, it's the practice that counts, right.

[Anonymous No.2632972]

>>2632968
>http://nakedmoondance.tumblr.com/
Damn that's nice

[Anonymous No.2632978]

>>2632963
shapes man see the shapes, stop aiming for solid copy.

[Anonymous No.2633007]

>>2632865
couldn't resist myself

[Anonymous No.2633012]

>>2633007
lel

[Anonymous No.2633014]

>>2633007
Holy shit.
Can't unsee.

[Anonymous No.2633015]

>>2633007
Apart from the neck-area, the proportions are all over the place, observe more closely anon.

[Anonymous No.2633017]

>>2632958
what do you think

[Anonymous No.2633032]

First attempt with the digimon

[Anonymous No.2633034]

>>2633032
her left leg is wonky as hell senpai

[Anonymous No.2633036]

>>2633034
I agree, but fucking tablet to monitor is making me go fucking mad. Think I might try to find a tablet monitor instead.

[Anonymous No.2633039]

>>2632847
That bad?

[Anonymous No.2633042]

>>2633039
It's okay though i give up

[Anonymous No.2633043]

For someone trying to get into digital drawing, would Adobe Illustrator be a decent tool to use? Not exactly good, and I know using a good application won't automatically make me good at it, but it'd be nice to know what might help streamline things.

[Anonymous No.2633044]

>>2633036
Spending a lot of money is not going to make you draw better, fambalaya.

[Anonymous No.2633047]

>>2633044
Nice jambalaya meme, I guess you have a point.

[Anonymous No.2633052]

>>2633047
No worries man. I just don't want my fampaisanos to make the same mistakes I did. As long as you're not using a REALLY shitty tablet you should be fine, anyway.

[Maya gun No.2633053]

>>2633017
I honestly prefer to draw from my mind rather than just draw from real life.

[Anonymous No.2633069]

>>2632941
You need a good deal of visualisation and feeling of the form for this one. I'd use a gesture line arching through space and construct boxes around it, for pelvis, then ribcage and then the abdominal section between the two. Cylinders with contour lines for arms and legs and don't forget the S-gesture with a tilt flowing from one leg to the other.

Drawabox does a good job at teaching you the necessary skills I mentioned.

[Anonymous No.2633076]

Question from someone who just started learning about shading: When are you supposed to crosshatch? Is it merely a stylistic thing, or is there a particular aspect of a study that would make crosshatching preferable?

I only ask because it kind of seems like an unrealistic method compared to the others I've seen

[Anonymous No.2633079]

>Drawing with charcoal

Holy FUCK

[Anonymous No.2633087]

>>2632963
You elongated her face and didn't give her left cheek bone any definition.
I'd recommend studying her face a bit more before starting a study. Really look at her proportions and study each piece of her face in retrospect to other parts of her face.

[Anonymous No.2633093]

>>2633076
I use cross-hatching for beard detailing on a quick sketch.
I also use it as a gestural way of seeing shading prior to actually filling in full values. So, dark cross-hatching for blackened values, light hatchings for small value shifts from bright to medium values. etc.

[Anonymous No.2633094]

still working on it, c/c ?

[Anonymous No.2633100]

Any one have tips for anatomical/medical drawing.

[Anonymous No.2633107]

[Anonymous No.2633108]

>>2633107

[Anonymous No.2633113]

how do i simplify facial features? How do I make women not look like men? How do I polish turds? How do I make my turds not turds? How do I draw hands and feet?

[Anonymous No.2633140]

>>2633113
The eyes aren't parallel to the nose and mouth, check those first. Maybe if you slimmed the jawline down and leave less space between the bottom lip and the jaw she'll look more female? And simplify the nose by removing most of the line you use for the bridge of the nose. Try making the eyes bigger too.
Also I think the arms are a bit too thin and just look like rubber poles.

Nice work though anon, take this with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.2633143]

>>2633108
More progress, not sure if I want color on this or not since the ref doesn't look very good

[Anonymous No.2633162]

>>2632865
i've been trying to stop symbol drawing recently. how bad am i?

[Anonymous No.2633191]

Should I try to reproduce photos before I understand the anatomy/structure behind it?

[Anonymous No.2633196]

>>2633162
duck off

i think you've gotten rid of the symbol drawing, chicken scratch is now your biggest concern

[Anonymous No.2633198]

>>2633191
no. start from the basics of anatomy and shapes.

[Anonymous No.2633213]

>>2632861
>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit
>Islam is a religion of peace.
kek

[Anonymous No.2633215]

>>2633198
Ok senpai, thanks.

[Anonymous No.2633217]

>>2633196
the random squiggly lines on the face are from the other side of the page, it's pretty thin paper, but yeah eyes, lips and teeth still fuck me over pretty hard

[Anonymous No.2633224]

Hey /beg/
Coming back from long hiatus. I pursued aguri's fundamentals but stopped after getting some basic insights in 3p construction and thought it was the time to move into humans with Hampton\Villpu to ramp up difficulty and get into life representation aspect(I was mostly drafting lifeless spaceships, cars, aircrafts and cubes), but I had no ability to draw or even use my hand for almost three months. It's kinda shit even now but I think time of slacking has ended.
The problem is, I can't remember anything I've learned at all, maybe I was merely assuming I've learned something but in fact I learned nothing. That wouldn't be a problem perhaps, but more importantly, during these months I've lost all habit and discipline to draw shit patiently and repeatedly, looking at glaring mistakes and doing it again until its right(or rather perceived with beginner's eyes as right).
How can I get back on the track?

[Anonymous No.2633228]

First for Satsuki-sama

What does /ic/ think

[Anonymous No.2633238]

>>2633224
Just start drawing and make it a habit.

[Anonymous No.2633240]

tfw you perfected your shape and form exercises from sweet Heather and her Disney drawings

[Anonymous No.2633242]

>>2633228
is this bait

[Anonymous No.2633251]

>>2633240
Tell me more about this beautiful woman

[Maya gun No.2633309]

anyone got any images of a woman with large breasts that I could use for gesture drawing?

[Anonymous No.2633330]

>>2633108
Really? No crit? Lol

[Anonymous No.2633348]

>>2632963

[Anonymous No.2633363]

>>2632963
i wanna like this but its so flat

you'd have a great style in 2 or so years

[Anonymous No.2633368]

[Anonymous No.2633371]

>>2633368
i believe im still symbol drawing(besides being shit) and also chicken scratching need some critique

[Anonymous No.2633372]

>>2633113
neck looks a bit wide, arms don't look like arms. her legs look like they were drawn as an afterthought.
i'd say her eye shape is the main thing making her look masculine, try studying some female eye shapes. her lips are a bit weird too but i was never that great at lips so i can't help with that.
don't listen to the other anon about moving the mouth down, chins exist.

>>2633140
>telling him to draw it more anime

[Anonymous No.2633409]

>>2632865
Only drew digital for weeks. Traditional feels so good.

[Anonymous No.2633438]

>>2633409
fix that neck young man

[Anonymous No.2633439]

>>2633438
bruv her neck is giraffe-tier

[Anonymous No.2633443]

>>2632865

[Anonymous No.2633446]

[Anonymous No.2633463]

advice? this is in the very early stages of me getting serious about digital painting, so yes, it's shit, but hey I tried.

[Anonymous No.2633468]

>>2633463
values look pretty good, start trying to focus on your edges a little more.

[Anonymous No.2633504]

>>2633463
Pay more attention to the color shapes, there are some strong whites in your hair that just aren't there in the pic. Same as the left half of the face, the black shape is bigger and the grays are darker

Regarding the drawing you made the nose a bit too long, the top lip a bit thicker and the lower one a bit thinner. The mouth is also slightly wider. Overall the measuring is pretty ok

[Anonymous No.2633646]

>>2632686
Seems better than my last attempt, but something still off, I think highlights are too weak

[Anonymous No.2633724]

plein air hard kill me

[Anonymous No.2633726]

>>2633724
what the hell? why are your trunks getting thicker as they go up
and why are your trees behind some of the houses

[Anonymous No.2633733]

>>2633726
oops. the 'middle' trunk is just i didnt fix it when i layed down the colors for the wall. the trunks on the right are actually two seperate trunks that are on top of each from the point of view. what do you mean "trees behind some of the houses" my house is on a corner. thats looking to the corner of my backyard. theres a street running along the left part of the wall and that house is across the street. theres the main tree, the wall, then theirs a big fat fucking ass palm tree in the neighbors backyard (on the right). the trees are overlapping the house because theyre in front of it. but its actually the colors that ass balls fucking horrendous with this one. i can post a ref.

[Anonymous No.2633749]

>>2633733
no nono you approached this the wrong way completely, I don't care about your colors.

you should've laid down your background values first and then added the trunks and bushes on top so you don't have the white spaces. the trunks look like shrimp legs and the leaves just look like a mess (your palm tree leaves are basically just a glob). You shouldn't be bothering with plein air at this point, try sketching the same thing and see how bad you are.

is this bait?? please don't be serious

[Anonymous No.2633758]

>>2633749
well this is only an hourish. i was just venting. its literally my 3rd ever and i dont have an easel so its awkward as fuck. thats just how the tree trunks are. they arent super thick. but yeah probably should have approached the laying better. oh well ill keep running this piece of shit and see how it goes. part of the reason i chose it for was for the leaves and such

[Anonymous No.2633768]

heres where im studying. the colors i have down are somewhat usable but ill need to go darker on the greens and lighten up the bottom

[Anonymous No.2633770]

i should also add, photo was taken sitting. the drawing is actually fine because that was done standing

[Anonymous No.2633782]

>>2633443
something seems a bit off here, can't quite put my finger on it

[Anonymous No.2633831]

I don't know where I'm going with this. Are there any anatomical issues so far? I know her hair is doing something weird, how can I fix that?

[Anonymous No.2633834]

>>2633782
Needs just a bit of Loomis.

>>2633831
It looks like her legs aren't fully bent, she's like on a stool, not sitting on her heels.

[Maya gun No.2633859]

>>2633330
i personally think it looks pretty fucking cool

[Maya gun No.2633863]

how 2 dragon loomis?

[Anonymous No.2633892]

loomis is not good at explaining

[Anonymous No.2633898]

>>2633892
it's intuitive

find another teacher

[Anonymous No.2633917]

>>2632866
is there any hope for me?

[Anonymous No.2633919]

>>2633917
there is if you don't give up

[Anonymous No.2633920]

>>2633917
There's been hope for me, so there must be for you.
Check the proportions, shape, and perspective, it's waaaay off.

[Anonymous No.2633924]

'As you try you will improve. By all means do not give up. That hand of yours will be doing surprising things before long.' - le loomis man

[Anonymous No.2633930]

>>2633917
read the sticky

[Anonymous No.2633949]

>>2633892

Check out Hampton, Vilppu, Hogarth, Houston, Bridgman, etc.

There's tons of great art instructors you can bounce between if Loomis isn't clicking for you. I struggled with Loomis and Vilppu, Hampton finally clicked for me, then I went back and benefited from the books I was struggling with.

Remember that learning is very much a process of beating your head against walls until something gives.

[Anonymous No.2633956]

what would you guys recommend for an extremely visual learner?
i'm not really sure what videos to watch and such.
any help would be really appreciated

[Anonymous No.2633967]

>>2633956

Jeff Watts and New Masters Academy. Both are behind paywalls, which is why books are recommended more often.

[Anonymous No.2634030]

>>2633892
Sycra is the best at explaining and also he's occasionally really funny especially when he streams with Bob Meatbag
Sycra is my husbando I won't lie

[Anonymous No.2634034]

>>2633956
>>2634030

[Anonymous No.2634057]

Stop fucking up the sticky, you retarded /pol/ degenerates

[Anonymous No.2634059]

>>2633107
Only the bad ones will be noticed

[Anonymous No.2634061]

>>2634057
What?

[Anonymous No.2634065]

>>2634057
It's clearly like 1 underage /b/tard, don't be prejudice.

[Anonymous No.2634069]

>>2634065
As if there's a fucking difference

[Anonymous No.2634070]

>>2632861
Since this is a beginner thread...

I do not understand Nerc WIP. What does it mean?

I've seen it used as an example of polishing the shit, or a response to criticism, but I do not know what it really means.

[Anonymous No.2634071]

What did people use to learn construction before Loomis?

[Anonymous No.2634074]

>>2634070
Its supposed to be like, the techincal skill is fine but the pose and expressions is painfully dull.

[Anonymous No.2634077]

>>2634070
A long time ago two autists on here got into an argument and the guy who made merc_wip posted it in a response to someone saying "post your work."

[Anonymous No.2634078]

>>2634077
also there's way more to this story but i cba right now

[Anonymous No.2634079]

>>2634070
Anon #2634074 is memeing you senpai, merc wip has a long history on /ic/ and basically is posted as a middle finger to someone asking you to "post your work".
People sometimes ask for your work so they can label you a beginner and disregard your advice/opinions.

[Anonymous No.2634192]

>>2633036
http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-elitebook-2760p/specs/

$150-$180 on ebay used

nothing beats paper for a learner, though

[Anonymous No.2634195]

When I'm an absolute beginner starting out should I just spam referenced sketches?

[Anonymous No.2634234]

So how do I go about coloring (really messy) lineart if I don't want the lineart to stay visible at the end? Do I just paint the main colors on a layer beneath the lineart first and then go crazy on another layer on top? Anyone got tutorials?

[Anonymous No.2634284]

Help, I have no idea what I'm doing and my color choice looks like shit

[Anonymous No.2634305]

>>2634284
first pick a light source. It's it suppose to be coming from right above them? Then their shadows should correlate with that.

second: your color choices aren't special but they aren't garbage. The forward trees should have hints of blue, along with brown, in the darker areas and spots of orange, yellow, and light grays (only add gray if you want them to look like certain trees add light brown if you want a different style of tree)

Third: figure out something to do with the furthest background before finishing this peice. It'll forever look average if it doesn't have more depth and interest, even in the smallest furthest parts from the center.

Fourth: your grass is to generalized. Google what short grass should look like with vertical sunlight on them

[Anonymous No.2634326]

>>2633892

Proko uses the loomis method and explains it all fairly well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U

[Anonymous No.2634330]

>>2634195

I've been studying for about a year and only within the last few months have I realized that you need to learn how to draw basic forms like cubes and spheres and elipses before tackling referenced sketches.

Everything can be simplified into boxes or spheres.

[Anonymous No.2634332]

>>2634305
Thanks so much anon, I'll work on those.

[Anonymous No.2634352]

>>2633052
is a medium bamboo capture considered a shitty tablet?

[Anonymous No.2634419]

>>2633330
really great, either there are no huge flaws or I'm too noob to see them

[Anonymous No.2634457]

>>2634305
Still trying, haven't found a good reference for the background so I'm putting that off. Before I keep going, are there any issues with proportions/composition/lighting/anatomy? I'm tempted to move the middle tree more towards the right since it's falling right over the dragon's head rn

[Anonymous No.2634525]

Are these figure drawings any good?

[Anonymous No.2634526]

>>2634525
yeah they're ok.
your proportions are kinda off (mostly the head)
keep on working
make less lines tho

[Anonymous No.2634528]

>>2634526
I don't mean to offend you, but can you please post your work?

I need to know who's calling it ok.

[Anonymous No.2634530]

>>2634528

[Anonymous No.2634532]

>>2634530
I don't think that really applies when it's the fear of another beginner giving the green light to something I did.

[Anonymous No.2634533]

>>2634530
>>2634530
I don't think that really applies when it's the fear of another beginner giving the green light to something I did.

People have written that my figure drawings are "ok" in one thread, but in the draw thread they're suddenly "shit"

[Anonymous No.2634536]

>>2634530
I mean I see why you're telling to make less lines, and to work on my proportions/telling me to keep on working, but I can't trust you when you say they're "ok"

They might be completely incorrect in every single aspect, and you're accidentally encouraging me to continue screwing up by dropping that along with friendly advice.

[Anonymous No.2634537]

>>2634533
You can't even draw a line or simple form. You need some critical thinking

[Anonymous No.2634538]

>>2634533
that's cause in one thread they're shit compared to other regular drawfags, while in this thread they're ok compared to other beginners

[Anonymous No.2634539]

>>2633898
>>2634528
>>2634533
>>2634536
>this is your brain on autism

[Anonymous No.2634540]

>>2634538
If they're still shit compared to drawfags, aren't they failing somewhere?

Why does this thread exist if it's only here for the blind to lead the blind? It's literally a containment thread to separate learners from intermediate artists.

[Anonymous No.2634542]

>>2634538
I really can't think of anything more harmful than a hug-box for self taught artists that have no direction.

[Anonymous No.2634544]

>>2634540
Anon just doesn't want to hurt beginners. I think it's not right thing tho. "False hope".

[Anonymous No.2634545]

How do I overcome the barrier that is shading

[Anonymous No.2634546]

>>2634544
I agree with you.
A slight compliment like that will do way more harm than good.

[Anonymous No.2634552]

>>2634544
I agree with you completely.
A "ok" will do way more harm than good in a thread like this.

[Anonymous No.2634554]

>>2634545
by getting your lineart squared away before you polish turds

[Anonymous No.2634559]

>>2633956
>>2633967
>Implying pay wall

http://sectorrent.com/query/new-masters-academy/

[Anonymous No.2634570]

>>2634554
I used a single key frame and did as close to on model as I could

Can you be more specific as to what the problem with the line art is?
Fat face?
Bad lines?

[Anonymous No.2634575]

>>2634570
Chicken scratching for one.
Your lineart shows zero confidence in your strokes.

[Anonymous No.2634579]

>>2634575
It's not chicken scratching.

>>2634570
You don't know enough about the figure to make a passable figure based on something that small and undetailed. If anything, read the sticky, hit up some good books, and grind.

[Anonymous No.2634581]

>>2632963
Looks like a caricature

[Anonymous No.2634582]

>>2634575
Is that a necessary needed before attempting to move on to coloring?
Long single line stokes without breaks?

[Anonymous No.2634591]

>>2634525
No, they're not very good. You've kind of just randomly merged cylinders into bendy-looking human shapes. The heads are too small, the waist needs to be thinner to show a difference between the torso and the waist, and your limbs are too elastic. Might want to study Loomis or other figure-drawing mannequin references.

[Anonymous No.2634593]

>>2634591
I've been making an effort to make my limbs elastic, but I guess that means I'm not paying attention to the structure enough.

I've got to go re-watch those figure drawing videos by that Steve dude.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.2634607]

>>2634545
well if you aren't experienced in shading real stuff it's going to be really hard to shade a stylized drawing.
that's because you need to invent a lot more, understand the forms of your (fictional) character, and of course, know how light works and shit. on top of that, you gotta also bend the rules and make it look good in that style.
early on it's not always helpful to study stylized stuff, because, regarding the art fundamentals, stylization is often inconsistent.
use much bigger brush strokes with a brush that isn't soft at its edges. and maybe you should use thicker lines too

[Anonymous No.2634615]

>>2634607
This is actually really helpful

Thank you

[Anonymous No.2634647]

any good specific exercises for basic shapes?
it looks completely flat and i guess i have to go back to the fundamentals again. im getting tired of drawing contour lines upside down

[Anonymous No.2634651]

>>2634607
What is the difference between center light and highlight? Shouldn't the dead-ass spot on the ball the light's hitting be the highlight?

[Anonymous No.2634652]

>>2634647
literally draw cubes, pyramids, cylinders, and cones in 3D space in different angles until you it's second-nature

[Anonymous No.2634654]

>>2634457
>Before I keep going, are there any issues with proportions/composition/lighting/anatomy?
Tons. Aside form anatomy, the main thing is that your girl and dragon are flat, as though they were cardboard cutouts. Maybe shading could help, but I think it's more just a lack of perspective on the figures.

Grass looks nice though.

[Anonymous No.2634657]

>>2634651
the center light is the dead-ass spot that the light is hitting. the highlight on the other hand is the reflection of the light source. and being a reflection, where the highlight is depends on where you're viewing the object from and how smooth or rough the material is.
so in that pic it's the reflection of the light bulb. since it's that kind of wood, it's blurry. if that ball was a mirror you'd see the clear reflection of the light bulb right where the highlight is.

[Anonymous No.2634743]

>>2634657
That actually makes so much sense now. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.2634833]

>>2634647
proportions, construction, loomis

[Anonymous No.2634839]

>>2632867
im pretty gay, i fucked up the stance as well
45 mins, charcoal

[Anonymous No.2634855]

Stuff I've drawn over the past couple days.

[Anonymous No.2634875]

>>2633113
I did something that's not boobs. I got too exhausted to finish this, especially since I don't know enough about color mixing and stuff. I also need to work on my perspective. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2634898]

>>2634855
Look up and study shoulders for a bit.

[Anonymous No.2634931]

>>2632866

[Anonymous No.2635030]

>>2632865
Why does everything just feel like such a fucking struggle. I just cant get it right, sucks the joy right out of me

[Anonymous No.2635038]

[Anonymous No.2635104]

>>2635030
What's wrong? Maybe the face is a bit too long, otherwise it looks fine.

[Anonymous No.2635109]

>>2635030
It looks like she has no chin since the nose is too long in your drawing, and that pushes the lips down. There should be a lot less space between the eye and the nose, and the lips should be slightly wider. The top of the ear should also line up with the bottom of the nose since her head is tilted. Check your chin shape and also the shape of her cheek.

[Anonymous No.2635116]

>>2634931
I think you slimmed the cheeks and jaw down and also elongated the nose so he looks a lot younger than he is in the ref. Check the shape of the hat, it should be flatter. Also check the angle of the lips, yours kind of curve up towards his left side whereas they should be parallel with the eyes. His left ear is also too small.
Check where the darkest values are and make sure your shading corresponds to those. There should be a lot less separation between his chin and neck on his left side, his left cheek should be darker, and the shadows on the bottom of his nose should stretch higher up.

[Anonymous No.2635143]

Fourth drawing done.

Any tips? I feel like it's OK, something might be off but I can't quite figure out what.
Unsure about the eyes.

I applied suggestions from my previous drawings about pushing the values while shading, and paying attention to not symbol-draw the mouth.

I switched to a softer pencil which helped enormously (from a 2H to a HB) and found a bit of a problem with my surface, the desk is a bit rough and it's difficult to draw precisely on it, I can't erase some marks because the paper gets torn.

I also set the scanner to grayscale from color, but in neither it looks like the original.

Overall, I'm pretty satisfied of my drawing, from wobbly stickmen to this in 5 days, but I'm always looking for a crit.

[Anonymous No.2635207]

>>2635143
symbols etc

just keep drawing and it'll click for you eventually

[Anonymous No.2635236]

Is there a thing on how to break muscles down into basic shapes? having a little trouble with em.

[Anonymous No.2635246]

>>2635236
Sycra has an anatomy model that color codes major groups, but BE WARY - it's useful but HEAVILY stylized for some fucking reason. It's obvious it is cartoony so the proportions are all over the place but the main idea is the same. Just translate it into realism.

[Anonymous No.2635248]

>>2635246
Yeah i've seen it. Do you think for a shitties like me it would be good to learn that for basics and then apply something more advanced like proko's stuff to improve my knowledge of it?

[Anonymous No.2635253]

>>2635248
And obviously apply proper proportions not pseudo weeb tier shit

[Anonymous No.2635256]

>>2635248
Personally, I would go the opposite. Use that anatomy model as a light supplement. Major muscle groups (at this stage) don't matter as much as understanding form.

[Anonymous No.2635258]

>>2635256
So master form and gesture and use the anatomy model to give me a general idea of what would go where in x pose?

[Anonymous No.2635267]

This is a painting for my friend, does it look ok?

[Anonymous No.2635282]

>>2635207
Where do you see symbol-drawing the most?
So I can focus on those areas with more attention next time.

[Anonymous No.2635294]

>>2635282
It's everywhere. You're not seeing the shapes, you're focusing on lines (when you shouldn't) and putting shading in to hide the fact.

[Anonymous No.2635297]

>>2635294
I drew the nose without even outlining it first, just darker and lighter areas and it kinda popped out.
Does it look non-symbol-drawn? Is that the right approach?

[Anonymous No.2635346]

Hello friends!

What shall I draw today?

[Anonymous No.2635348]

>>2635346
draw... a bird

[Anonymous No.2635361]

>>2635348
tori please go

[Anonymous No.2635362]

>>2633363
I agree.

[Anonymous No.2635391]

>>2635346
draw a mechanic girl, topless working on her robot freind, muttering about how hes a faggot for letting his fusion cell get cracked.

[Anonymous No.2635404]

>>2635346
Draw a slime girl with semen in her womb

[Anonymous No.2635412]

>>2635391
A slime girl with robot semen inside her working on a robot dildo
>>2635404

[Anonymous No.2635419]

>>2632978
>>2633087
>>2633363
Thanks for the help, anons. I gave it a second go, but again, she ended up distorted compared to the original. Better than my first attempt i guess

[Anonymous No.2635445]

>>2635348
>>2635391
>>2635404
You all sicken me.

[Anonymous No.2635446]

>>2635445
just draw a damn bird

[Anonymous No.2635462]

First time trying Portrait...

It doesn't even look like him

[Anonymous No.2635467]

>>2635446
I'll be drawing YOU if you don't pipe down!

[Anonymous No.2635469]

>>2635462
mate that's an incredible first attempt

[Anonymous No.2635470]

>>2635445
You arouse me.

[Anonymous No.2635471]

>>2635467
okay i'm sorry

[Anonymous No.2635474]

How am I doing guys?

[Anonymous No.2635485]

>>2635462
this was my first attempt at a portrait ;)

[Anonymous No.2635490]

>girls in school always used to say my artwork was good
>no idea if they were telling the truth or not or just being nice

[Anonymous No.2635530]

Figure drawing I just did.
Any tips on making it so the face doesn't feel as if it's floating off the head?

[Anonymous No.2635543]

>>2635530
maybe try giving the girl a neck?

[Anonymous No.2635544]

>>2635474
Love how efficiently you used line to render basic shapes. Nice work.

[Anonymous No.2635576]

>>2635530
trust me when i say i hate regurgitating the loomis meme

[Anonymous No.2635581]

>>2632862
First time using a drawing tablet. The drawing is quite shit; wasn't able to do the lips and eyes properly. Critique is welcomed.

[Anonymous No.2635582]

>>2635576
Oh, yeah, I just started working through Fun With a Pencil.

[Anonymous No.2635612]

>>2632866
that fucking hat

[Anonymous No.2635622]

On my way to my fifth drawing.
Trying a change in style, I made a + sign construction line and seems to work pretty well, and going for a rougher look to refine later on.

It's supposed to be a not-so-young-anymore lady with a rather long face and chin.
Am I on the right path? Is something really off?

[Anonymous No.2635628]

I always wondered, what does /ic/ mean?

[Anonymous No.2635630]

>>2635612
just now noticing i drew almost all the features going straight down regardless of whatever angle they were facing in the reference

kill me X)

[Anonymous No.2635638]

>>2635267
No, study more form and lighting.
Is that your final passover? I'd suggest working towards painting/blending more cleanly, too. I suffer from similar issues.

[Anonymous No.2635647]

>>2635530
What is anatomy, proportion, jewmis, etc

[Anonymous No.2635649]

How do you guys prefer to draw hands? At a glance, is there anything obvious that I'm doing wrong? I'm trying different construction methods and it feels like nothing is very clear and I have no idea what to do.

[Anonymous No.2635651]

>>2635647
Where in particular is the anatomy and proportion off? I know the neck is an issue, and so is the chest to hip ratio.

[Anonymous No.2635652]

>>2635622
Please make your lines darker, anon. For you and for us. Also draw the pupils. Also be careful with the forms and planes of the head; the eyes seem a bit close together.

[Anonymous No.2635656]

>>2635652
Welp, you're right, eyes are definitely too close!

As for the darker lines... last time it didn't end well, my desk has a rough surface and all sort of jaggy stuff pops up and ruins the paper. Gotta find a flat surface ASAP.

Thanks for pointing out the eyes, now it really does feel off!

[Anonymous No.2635667]

>>2635622
>It's supposed to be a not-so-young-anymore lady with a rather long face and chin.
Is this without ref? If so it's wayyy too early for your to be attempting faces without a reference
Study how noses actually look, yours looks really really strange. Don't try to render eyelashes before you get all the basic shapes down, including the relative position of the pupils. I'm assuming the face is supposed to be angled since we can see the bridge of the nose; the eyes and eyebrows shouldn't be the same size/shape then, as her right eye and eyebrow should be slightly more angled. With how close the eyes are, the jaw and cheek are wayyyy too wide.

Please go back to studying actual faces (and NOT from video games so you learn how real faces work). Better yet, try drawing basic 3d shapes from memory and shading them since your shading is just smudging at this point.

[Anonymous No.2635669]

>>2635651
Everywhere, it looks like you have no knowledge of how a human body works. Shoulders too wide, the nose is symbol drawn, waist should be around the same width as the shoulders (or wider, she's female), arms too long compared to her tiny tiny legs. The clothing also looks really bad

At least do a couple of anatomy studies before attempting stuff from memory..

[Anonymous No.2635672]

>>2635474
Don't take other anon's compliment as a testament to your skill. You have a nice style that will benefit you later on, but your sighting is still really off. His neck is skinny in your drawing whereas it's definitely not in the ref, you destroyed his left cheek, etc.

[Anonymous No.2635676]

>>2635669
it was an anatomy study

[Anonymous No.2635677]

Are my arm proportions off?

[Anonymous No.2635679]

>>2635667
It is from a ref, game screenshot, yyyyyep.

Yeah my noses are kinda shit, at start I just outline the basic shape to know it's there, I'll refine later. In a previous drawing it was the only decent part.

As the other anon kindly pointed out, eyes were way too close, I fixed that and also their size, and brow angle became more apparent, so I also fixed that.

As I repositioned the eye I noticed the jaw and cheek problem just as you described, and made her slimmer. Looks much better now!

Love this kind of advice, thanks a lot.

I've never approached a real person ref though, it just feels too advanced, video game characters look simpler and give more freedom, I think.

Yep, my shading is basically laying down more or less graphite, and smoothing it around with a finger.

Might try a real ref next, I'll finish this one now, thanks for the tip!

[Anonymous No.2635681]

First ever portrait. Any glaring issues or strengths? I know the width is off, especially in the forehead. Will post ref.

[Anonymous No.2635682]

>>2635681

[Anonymous No.2635685]

>>2635681
Looks like Frodo on drugs. I'll call him Froggo.

Proportions are completely off, I mean... try overlapping the two images.

[Anonymous No.2635689]

>>2635676
Oh damn lol

Definitely start with simpler objects then since it looks like you aren't so great with proportion right now

[Anonymous No.2635691]

>>2633043

Illustrator is a vector program. Good for graphic design, not good for drawing. I'd check out krita for drawing. It's free, and widely considered one of the best programs out there for drawing, paid or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.2635692]

>>2635677
>t-rex arms

[Anonymous No.2635699]

>>2635679
I see your point with drawing video game characters being easier, but that's not how you'll improve. If drawing even video game faces is hard right now, it would really benefit you to look at some textbook head proportions. This kind of internalized knowledge would really help you later on.

Glad the advice helped.

[Anonymous No.2635701]

>>2635681
Eyes too big, face isn't long enough, where the hell did the ears go, jawline too flat, hair is flat on top
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you watch a shit ton of anime because that face looks ridiculously stylized.
Learn your facial proportions please

[Anonymous No.2635703]

>>2635699
Noted and treasured, I'll go to sleep now, thanks a lot!

Btw it was after finishing the game Life Is Strange that I got the wish to draw, so it just seemed natural to try and draw the characters :)

[Anonymous No.2635705]

>>2635701
I actually don't, but I used to, so it's tough to escape the influence I guess. Proportion seems to be the consistent criticism I hear of anything I make.

[Anonymous No.2635717]

How do I make the girl's arms not look like tubes? I'm just having trouble shading her in general since I don't want her to look flat as hell (like other anon said) but I'm struggling with conveying depth

[Anonymous No.2635731]

fuckin' scott robertson.

[Anonymous No.2635738]

a friend of mine pointed out that it's hard to tell the resting point / weight of this character i'm drawing, something along the lines of "i can't really tell where exactly she's putting all her weight to do that pose"

but i can't really tell either so i don't know what i should change exactly, i only know that it's something to do with the legs and feet

what do you think?

[Anonymous No.2635746]

Howmydoin?

I googled tiger and picked a pretty obvious result

[Anonymous No.2635753]

>>2635738
Try replicating the pose irl, take a picture of yourself and use it as a reference. It's mainly her left leg, in which the foot is pointed the right direction but the shin looks detached. The thighs also might be a little too short.

[Anonymous No.2635757]

>>2635746
ANGERY

[Anonymous No.2635759]

>>2635746
Ehhh
Show us the reference. The jaw looks flat, the eyes shouldn't have such clean lines around them, and for some reason the left side of the face looks a lot larger than the right side (not sure if it's just a wonky angle or if you actually messed it up that much)

[Anonymous No.2635761]

>>2635753
noted, i'll try that

and yeah i butchered the first sketch and moved around parts to make another pose so i might've fucked the thigh length in the process, i'll look into it

[Anonymous No.2635766]

First time trying to draw a idea from my head, it's just something I thought I'd try to get myself in to art, any thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2635803]

critique? + any good resources/tutorials on drawing facial expressions?

[Anonymous No.2635804]

>>2635803
scaled down

[Anonymous No.2635826]

>>2635717
>How do I make the girl's arms not look like tubes?
Learn not-tube arm anatomy. Simple.

[Anonymous No.2635835]

Almost a week of work from this >>2628894 to the pic I'm posting
I honestly don't know what to work in beside using a larger resolution.

[Anonymous No.2635847]

>>2635835
Go back to basics.
You're clearly not ready for this kind of work if you can't tell what you need to work on.

[Anonymous No.2635856]

Any advice?

[Anonymous No.2635882]

>>2632866

[Anonymous No.2635887]

>>2635835
>>2635847
Seconded, you clearly traced and don't know how to render

[Anonymous No.2635888]

>>2632862

[Anonymous No.2635908]

>>2635887
How am I supposed to render?If I am doing it wrong then you have to show me a better guide.

[Anonymous No.2635939]

Can someone help me with this? Every time I try to do a 3/4 pose I some how always end up making the ribcage too big compared to the waist. I think I am missing something in the construction phase that correctly connects from the ribs down to the hips and I can't figure it out. Also when I try to make the hips larger it just makes it look like she is super thicc and I'm not trying to go for that. If someone could give me a redline I would greatly appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.2635940]

>>2635908
stop drawing with lines, use shapes of color going from bigger shapes to small shapes, bigger contrasts to smaller ones

[.m No.2635954]

https://youtu.be/hapRI02PwMY
something interesting stuff for you

[Anonymous No.2635988]

>>2635835
christ

[Anonymous No.2635990]

i started to procastinate on studying
its been over one week that i havent studied anything
how do i get back up?
i really dont feel like drawing anymore

[Anonymous No.2636002]

>>2635954
What is this? It seems like he has a method he is following but I can't get heads or tails out of it.

[Anonymous No.2636027]

>>2635804
fixed it for you

[Anonymous No.2636028]

>>2636027
kek

[Anonymous No.2636030]

After a while of lurkin I choosed to ask you guys for some advice.

My main goal is to be a painter, but I wouldnt mind doing digital art too. Tho I cant afford it at the moment.
My main question is should I start drawing? Because I'm really inexperienced with paintin humans, body parts , and faces.
Even tho I am getting better at landscapes , I dont really want to do landscapes all the time.
I'm somewhat a pro copyer, so If it comes to drawing someone, there is a high chance that I nail it. But I can't draw humans or anything else out of my imagination.

Theres my latest try in painting out of imagination. I planned it, drawed the whole thing before, then I painted it. Its a little island in the middle of a lake, that is surrounded by large boulder like mountains. It looks less realistic than the copy I made

[Anonymous No.2636032]

>>2632866
Getting a likeness is hard. I think I fucked up the eyes too.

[Anonymous No.2636033]

>>2636030
here's the copy, i made that one a few months ago tho

Is there are some good books on rendering and making realistic pieces from imagination

[Anonymous No.2636116]

>>2636027
thank you based viper

[Anonymous No.2636120]

>>2635681
>this is how Anon sees the world

[Anonymous No.2636130]

>>2635681
>>2636120
IMAGINE THE WORLD THROUGH ANON'S EYES

[Anonymous No.2636132]

>>2636130
Froggos everywhere... oh lord.

[Anonymous No.2636155]

>>2633409
I like your smooth lines,

[Anonymous No.2636161]

>>2633892
Artist is not a writer. Just replace his perspective lessions with a norling and proceed with everything else.

[Anonymous No.2636168]

Drew this bat.

how is it.

[Anonymous No.2636169]

>>2635622
I don't even know what I'm doing anymore.

[Anonymous No.2636171]

>>2635622
I don't even know what I'm doing anymore.

[Anonymous No.2636173]

>>2636171
Resized.

[Anonymous No.2636189]

How can I draw balls like this? Like how do I work out where the bendy lines go on the ball in order to make it look circular? Like I know the ball has to divide into 4 quarters, but then how do I know how to bend the lines in order to make them look authentic ?

The lines I've circled.

[Anonymous No.2636200]

>>2636168
continue learning how to see and observe
you can also do the upside down drawing thing on the sticky with other drawings (like anime if you're into that, I saw a 2ch thread where japs used variety of art to do the exercise)
but I can see that you're getting there, keep going

[Anonymous No.2636204]

>>2636189
pic related, this is essentially what each line is doing but at different planes. Not sure how to explain this honestly

[Anonymous No.2636207]

>>2636168
>but I can see that you're getting there, keep going
anon is either memeing or an idiot
If you want to improve, don't keep drawing your shitty anime porn with giant breasts. Learn proportion and actual anatomy - the arms and legs have no joints in your drawing, you're just kind of bending them where it's convenient for you. Her eyelashes are as thick as her pupils, wth

[Anonymous No.2636210]

>>2636200
thanks man, it helps me live to know I'm getting there.

>>2636207
erm, that's just the style of the sonic characters I guess. But, yea I used an undersketch and such.

[Anonymous No.2636213]

>>2635882

[Anonymous No.2636223]

>>2636210
>style of the characters
don't
you must draw irl anatomy before getting into cartoons etc.
shit really shows when you draw a cartoon but know little to nothing about anatomy and proportions.

>>2636207
eh, I think a bit of positive encouragement doesn't hurt
but Im not trying to coddle him in a safe space either

[Anonymous No.2636238]

>>2636223
Well, I mean, it can't be that bad right? The anatomy must be somewhat decent at least.

[Anonymous No.2636239]

Shitty attempt at fanart
Might have to read Loomis again, or read more than fun with a pencil
Posting on this site for critique n all that because everywhere else it's a circlejerk

[Anonymous No.2636250]

>>2636239
at least put more effort into this
>that boring front facing pose of her just standing
you aren't going to get better drawing fanart. keep studying real shit and use references for unfamiliar poses

[Anonymous No.2636257]

>>2636250
Thanks man
Tumblr would be sucking my dick right now so
Thanks for being blunt

[Anonymous No.2636263]

you urself called it a shitty attempt.......so how do u expect anyone else to say differently?
also...what are those circles on her shoulder

[Anonymous No.2636265]

>>2636263
Who fucking knows man
and I was looking for constructive criticism so I wouldn't make shit quality art
I think they're bad attempts at simplistic coloring showing shading or something like that

[Anonymous No.2636288]

>>2636239
Very tumblr-style and you basically invented your own proportions. That muscle on her left upper arm is really strange, the hands are symbol drawn (not sure if that's just the style of the cartoon), and she's kind of leaning forward and just floating there. there's no real pose to it

don't go digital, you're not there yet

[Anonymous No.2636290]

>>2636238
Oh god no

>>2636223
I see your point

[Anonymous No.2636299]

>>2636171
I feel like I'm getting somewhere...

[Anonymous No.2636319]

>>2636299
yeah you're going back to the fundamentals because your image is riddled with symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.2636320]

>>2636239
Did you construct this from scratch or just start drawing lines and go with whatever your hand made?

Try redrawing it but build up the figure from basic forms and then ink over it.

[Anonymous No.2636347]

How do you do good lineart without symbol drawing?

[Anonymous No.2636357]

[Anonymous No.2636384]

>>2636319
Yup, still in progress, I don't know how to just make things pop up without knowing where they are though.

But wait, does that mean I've been beyond the fundamentals before? That'd be great!

[Anonymous No.2636419]

>>2636384
Nah you just have to draw easier subject matter, what you're attempting is beyond your level

[Anonymous No.2636428]

>>2636419
Possible, yeah, also refs from video game screenshots aren't helping, as an Anon previously suggested.
After this one I'll try a real ref to get proportions and lighting right.

Does it look any better? To my eye it does, but I need a fresh pair of eyes to notice what's off.

[Anonymous No.2636434]

>>2636419
Possible, yeah, also refs from video game screenshots aren't helping, as an Anon previously pointed out.
After this one I'll try a real ref to get proportions and lighting right.

Does it look any better? To me it does, but I need a fresh pair of eyes to notice what's off.

[SuGo]

[Anonymous No.2636439]

>>2636434
Stop drawing something as complex as faces. Refine your understanding of shape and form. The human head is an extremely complex mechanism that is rarely ever done passable from a beginner of your level.

[Anonymous No.2636440]

>>2636204

[Anonymous No.2636451]

>>2636439
Thanks, it's on the list already as it's been suggested numerous times before, and I'll look it up as I finish this one.

To be fair the ref has a shitty long face and looks like a tranny.

May I ask what's mostly off and doesn't look right to you?

[Anonymous No.2636458]

I feel like alot went wrong here, but I'm not sure where.

Overall, I do know I'm way too impatient with my art. Not sure what I'm gonna do to solve that.

[Anonymous No.2636466]

>>2636458
Just be fucking patient cunt

[Anonymous No.2636468]

>>2636466
Yeah bud I'll get right fucking to it.

[Anonymous No.2636477]

>>2636458
Maybe I haven't had enough exposure but I haven't seen a shading technique like that. Where light meets shadow doesn't usually have that defined of a break.

[Anonymous No.2636484]

>>2636451
You aren't drawing what's actually there. You are quickly glancing at the reference and drawing a general idea of what you saw.

You need a good idea of construction and form to make a passable human face. Draw a shitload of basic shapes, read Loomis, and study your subject matter harder.

[Anonymous No.2636500]

>>2636458
Did Raiden activate blade mode or what's going there with that shadow

[Anonymous No.2636501]

>>2635940
That is what I already do, I fill a block of color, do some other strokes for shadows and hilights, blend, sample some of the blended color and paint over the gridient and then blend again to make it smoother.
What step am I missing?

[Anonymous No.2636505]

>>2636468
whenever you feel like you've been a bit hasty, rub out what you did n say 'i'm a smelly nigger that sucks lots and lots of willies and i need to be patient with my drawing'

[Anonymous No.2636550]

>>2636484
Will do, thanks.

[Anonymous No.2636553]

>>2636458
You made her face too large in comparison to her torso and her face should be tilted a little more like in the ref. The eyes, nose and lips should be parallel to each other, and the lips should be wider. Spend more time analyzing the angles of her face and how they relate to each other.

[Anonymous No.2636555]

>draw a bit
>stop to shitpost
>continue drawing
>stop to shitpost
>continue drawing
repeat for about two hours a day

life is good

[Anonymous No.2636556]

Help, the dragon looks retarded

[Anonymous No.2636579]

>>2636570
>>2636570
>>2636570

NEW THREAD

>>2636570
>>2636570
>>2636570

[Anonymous No.2636851]

>>2632865
face form is fucked
nose and eyes in particular
lost some of the heads tilt.
Did i miss anything guys?
pls crit me

[Anonymous No.2637302]

>>2632867
If there was any form of foreshortening involved I probably botched it, a bad havit of mine. Also I think I could involve more perspective in my actual lay-in.

[Anonymous No.2637393]

>>2636030
>>2636033

Anyone please?

[Anonymous No.2637489]

>>2633100
Yeah, be cleaner
>>2633094
Looks stiff
>>2633162
Although you're not symbol drawing, try to stay clean and confident with your contours
>>2633228
Start over, from the basics, ditch anime until you learn fundamentals
>>2633371
You have potential but you need to work in layers, specifically the blocking in stage. You should make sure that the shapes are proportional and lines are exactly where you want them. Also I think you can push for better contrast.
>>2635856
Try shading
>>2636030
>>2636033
>My main question is should I start drawing?
Yes! I recommend drawing from reference before you try to draw from full imagination. The second painting should be a goal once you have a good understanding of perspective.
>>2636851
Symbol drawing; think of the features as 3d forms. Work on taking the head, featureless and only add everything in once you have it exactly how you want it.

[Maya gun No.2639884]

how to improve from this piece of shit?