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[Chicocalte !4Ltr1vH/Dk No.2598530]

Last thread: >>2589666

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Remember the words of our good friend Glen Vilppu: “No rules, just tools.”

[Anonymous No.2598537]

furst!

[Anonymous No.2598586]

Reposting i guess

[Anonymous No.2598589]

>>2598537
>part of one hand and no feet.

[Anonymous No.2598617]

>>2598589

not on purpose....
im gonna resize it to get my sneaker fetish in there, dgaf about the hands though

[Anonymous No.2598746]

>>2598530
I think this might be one of my best desu

[Anonymous No.2598759]

>>2598746
I want you to draw a line down the middle of her face, anon.

[Anonymous No.2598766]

>>2598746

[Anonymous No.2598772]

>>2598766
You saw it too eh?

[Anonymous No.2598800]

[Anonymous No.2598831]

>>2598759
Meaning????? Why a line?

[Anonymous No.2598905]

>>2598831
Just read Loomis. I'm not even memeing. You need to learn basic construction. After that, read Hampton's Figure drawing design and invention.

[Anonymous No.2598924]

>>2598905
Loomis is a meme tho :/

[Anonymous No.2599003]

>>2598530
Thanks OP

[Anonymous No.2599006]

>>2598924
it's a meme for people who have already progressed past it

unfortunately for you, you don't fall into that category

>>>/beg/

[Anonymous No.2599063]

I've slowed down considerably this last month and a half

[Anonymous No.2599288]

>>2598586
hey it's guard bro
where's my fucking tank girls

[Anonymous No.2599382]

>>2599006
So like I said, a meme. I'll stick to Villpu.

[Anonymous No.2599395]

Drew this last night. What colors do you guys think I should use?

[Anonymous No.2599397]

>>2599382
What exactly is it you think is a meme about Loomis? Vilppu is great and all, but what you drew shows absolutely zero understanding of what Vilppu teaches, so it's fair to assume that he is too advanced for you to learn anything from him yet.

Loomis happens to be more beginner friendly, especially his head construction.

[Anonymous No.2599484]

>>2599382

It's better if for now you stick to loomis and the begginers thread. you are really too bad to take advantage of advanced studies.
tl;dr first and foremost learn perspective. your art has none.

[Anonymous No.2599502]

oops didn't realize the last thread was dead already

[Anonymous No.2599508]

Is the pose too rigid?
>inb4 furshit

[Anonymous No.2599510]

Any help for the anatomy ?

[Anonymous No.2599518]

>>2599395
neons and pastels. ever heard of candy gore?

[Anonymous No.2599519]

any advice on anything i could add for graphical element? not sure if this is an actual character design or something or just a design sketch

[Anonymous No.2599544]

>>2599519
You should add more value, even if this isn't the style you are going for, but for the moment we have difficulty to differenciate each part of the design

[Anonymous No.2599578]

some anon told me her right leg was shorter and tried to fix in PS.
look okay now?

[Anonymous No.2599581]

>>2599578
nvm. I still see it. i think problem is that left leg is too long

[Anonymous No.2599582]

I have been putting anime on hold and returning to studying real life

but I'm wondering how anime mixes 2D and 3D elements together, or how its forms work.
I modeled in 3D once and tried to make an animu gurl, I had to flatten the face to make it more appealing.

Does it have to do with using hard shadows?

[Anonymous No.2599592]

>>2599508
doesnt actually look like furshit, i like it

[Anonymous No.2599603]

>>2599510
I can't really point my finger but its like face and body are from two completely different things.

[Anonymous No.2599628]

>>2599544
exaggerated the values and added color. do you think this is any better???

[Anonymous No.2599744]

>>2599397
Like I said Loomis sucks, and so do you : )

[Anonymous No.2599745]

>>2599484
And fuck you too. I wasn't even talking to you.

[Anonymous No.2599756]

>>2599502

I feel warm looking at this. Too bad it's from overmeme.

[Anonymous No.2600135]

pfff, I spend some hours in this drawing. I just wanted to practice inking and predeterminates halftones.

[Anonymous No.2600159]

I need serious help.

[Anonymous No.2600160]

>>2598530
Stop including shit art in the OP collage
It enables them

[Anonymous No.2600248]

>>2598905
>Just read Loomis.
youre such a jack ass. i think you should either give specific critique or get out.

[Anonymous No.2600249]

>>2599582
p-please respond

[Anonymous No.2600261]

>>2600159
What is the context of this pose? Is he punching someone on the ground? On top of a mount? The face says he's doing something that requires a bit of concentration or is angry. Do you have an anatomy question?

[Anonymous No.2600264]

>>2600261
It was an aimless drawing. Just putting down whatever was in my head.

Though I feel that something is wrong with the anatomy and perspective, but I can't exactly pinpoint what.

[Anonymous No.2600732]

with the ipad pro

[Anonymous No.2600734]

>>2598537

love the colors!!! use more contrast for lines?

[Anonymous No.2600742]

>>2599003
Your art is pleasant on the eye, but... Please, try some different expressions! Make her smile as genuinely as you can, or something!

[Anonymous No.2600746]

>>2600732
Very nice! But the nose doesn't look like it's a part of her face, if that makes any sense. I think it's mainly the shape that's sort of a bit too dramatic/cartooney compared to everything else.

[Anonymous No.2600764]

>>2600742
>doesn't recognise memes

[Anonymous No.2600772]

>>2600764
Stop posting this picture all over the board

[Anonymous No.2600794]

>>2599518
Yeah, I'm just trying to find the best options. Thanks :^)

[Anonymous No.2600804]

>>2600249
Look at animu figurines.

[Anonymous No.2600950]

>>2600742
Thank you! I guess I'm still trying to prioritize correct construction, line weight, readability of form , etc... over expression because I'm still a newb.

However, I really tried to take into consideration your advice for this one

[Anonymous No.2600975]

>>2600950
I really like your style. Always glad to see your posts.

[Anonymous No.2601043]

i tried

[Anonymous No.2601065]

>>2600950
fiRRRREEEEEEEz
her hair is not placed properly on top or her head
the position of her hand is awkward, i moved it to have a better sillhouette

[Anonymous No.2601072]

>>2601065
that pose looks much worse than the original desu

[Anonymous No.2601128]

>>2601043

love how you captured the the warmth in this pic!

[Anonymous No.2601215]

>>2599578
>>2599581
same character.
I think I fucked with the left's head structure, but I think overall expressions are good.
Critiques?
Drawn in regular pen.

[Anonymous No.2601258]

>>2600732
Even if the other guy is kind of right, I still really, really like it. the face is strange but adds something interesting.
9/10 keep it up bro, respect

[Anonymous No.2601434]

added shoes

[Anonymous No.2601508]

>>2601215
>>>/sticky/loomis/beg/

[Anonymous No.2601519]

>>2601434
Cute but unappealing face. Im stealing the Kike brand as well

[Anonymous No.2601660]

>>2601065
>>2601072
Thanks, I was not aware of that misalignment. The hand position is doable but Iight revise it a bit more

[Anonymous No.2601663]

>>2601660
the eye looks like you're drawing it on a weird 3/4 angle, not from the side. the forehead looks really weird too.

[Anonymous No.2601736]

>>2601663
Are you sure? Sorry it just feels particularly weird since I used a reference for that last one or maybe I just used it wrong/too loosely

[Anonymous No.2601737]

>>2601736

You copied the forehead but ignored every nig feature in favour of your style what did you think was gonna happen.

[Anonymous No.2601741]

>>2601736
That photo looks infinitely cuter than your actual drawing. Your proportions are all fucked up man.

[Anonymous No.2601744]

>>2601737
Good to know I got the "really weird" thing right

>>2601741
Since you are no telling me much I will have to wait until tomorrow, see it with fresh eyes and decide what things I can do to make it cuter without making a study

[Anonymous No.2601746]

>>2601744
You made her face way more concave than convex. There are subtle soft curves to her profile that you didn't capture at all or just made look outright unappealing. Specially with the bridge of her button nose. All you'd need to do is look at them side by side to notice the discrepancy

[Anonymous No.2601765]

>>2601736
I think the shape of the eye is fine, but the iris is too wide and shouldn't be that much of an ellipse at that angle. A bit like this, just not as much I guess based on your reference.

[Anonymous No.2601772]

>>2601746
>>2601765
Thank you guys, I will try a revision tomorrow, as you noticed I'm blind towards my fuck ups right now

[Anonymous No.2601774]

If I'm looking to develop a 2d art style (anime esque), do you know where I'd start? What skills go into a 2d art style?

[Anonymous No.2601775]

Help, is there any way I can make this pose look better? I'm gonna clean up the lines but is there anything wrong with this right now so I know if I have to scrap this before redoing it?

Ignore the facial features for now, they're quick placeholders.

[Anonymous No.2601780]

>>2601775
Oh, and is this neck position better?

[Anonymous No.2601784]

>>2601775
They're way too stiff, the anatomy is shoddy, and everything feels flat. Add some weight to them, fix the anatomy, make a perspective grid to get a feel for how you can add depth.

[Anonymous No.2601788]

>>2601784
Sounds good, but, uh, how do you add weight?

[Anonymous No.2601790]

>>2601784
Oh, and any specific bad anatomy? It's hard for me to see my own mistakes, sorry.

[Anonymous No.2601791]

>>2600732
did you use a touch screen pen?

[Anonymous No.2601794]

>>2601775
threadly reminder

[Anonymous No.2601796]

>>2601794
Thank you, is there any way to make gesture drawings of more static figures that are sitting around look more lively?

[Anonymous No.2601812]

>>2601434
remove them please

[Anonymous No.2601814]

>>2601796
Knowledge of that literally just comes from knowing how to do gesture concisely and accurately. Else, all your stuff will always be stiff. I don't know what else to say... Practice.

[Anonymous No.2601867]

>>2601775
not pro here
Try a different angle? i guess?

I tried redrawing it with a different angle.

[Anonymous No.2601876]

daaammnnnn baabbbyyyyy

I'm bored.

[Anonymous No.2601883]

>>2601876
Yum. Paint tool SAI?

[Anonymous No.2601894]

>>2601883
photoshop! Forever and ever.

I found a neat trick to make brush like strokes for the "damn baby" writing though.

[Anonymous No.2601981]

>>2599063
i love your gestures

[Anonymous No.2601991]

>>2601981
I love your body.

[Anonymous No.2601996]

>don't get feedback or answers on 2 posts
>art still gets used in the OP

[Anonymous No.2602013]

Just a general question for you guys. For those who do turnarounds, how far do you go with them?

Is it typical to shade a turnaround, or no? Is it common to use subtle gradients or is that usually omitted?

I know there's no one answer, but I'm curious on your guys' thoughts.

[Anonymous No.2602047]

>>2601794

gesture AND structure I'll add

[Anonymous No.2602076]

>>2602013
What's the thumbnail for? Are you doing a full illustration or concept designs?

First things first. Do you know what you are drawing? Are you stuck? Go ahead and gather as much inspiration images as you can before you do anything. Also, a great way to get the creative juices flowing is word association. Like, if you're going to paint a pinup, make a list of words that come to your mind when you hear "pinup". Write them down and use it to help you find insp.

Stick to only medium size lines and super rough drawings for your thumbnails. Make a dozen or so but you really won't need anymore than that. After you choose your fav thumbnail go ahead and do a full rough drawing.

Use this rough to do a 4 value studies. if you did it tradish, scan in your rough and put 4 of it on a single print. In these value studies figure out how your lighting and values will affect composition and all that jazz.

Once you pick your favorite value thumb, print out another piece with 4 of your rough sketch to do a few color studies of it.

So, once you have your rough sketch, fav value studies, and fav color study, either go take reference photos yourself or try to find some online that's kinda close to your rough sketch. It's always better to take your own reference but sometimes that's impossible (like tigers, elephants, your mom). The closer your reference is to your sketch, value studies and color studies, the better. It just means you have less to figure out as you work.

Get your ref go ahead and make a tight drawing. Lay in your values and colors according to your studies and start rendering away. Remember, it's better to work in larger shapes with larger brushes in the beginning and use smaller and smaller brushes as you render in details.

(pic related is 1 of 4 value studies I did using my rough sketch. The thumbs were even rougher and of course without values.)

[Anonymous No.2602300]

two illustrations im doin in hopes of getting them in my schools newspaper

[Anonymous No.2602305]

other one

[Anonymous No.2602322]

>>2601876
Its flawed but real good shit man. gj

[Anonymous No.2602357]

burned out this

every fucking time

[Anonymous No.2602362]

>>2602357
to me it helps me to work in a few paintings at a time, so i can change everytime i get a bit bored

[Anonymous No.2602437]

>>2602305 looks really cute, though the >>2602300 is way more... cinematic, I guess.

Whichever one you do end up finishing, please post it here. Also, blog?

[Anonymous No.2602449]

>>2599628
thats what im going for, famm; the duality of pokemon fans: cute collectors and badass battlers.i think the first one'll be easier but ive been bashing shit together for the second cause i cant get a color theme i like. im tempted to go for a night scene so the phone's glow will be more effective but i suck at color selection. also, im tryna push this to my or any school magazine so i need a big "HEY THIS IS LSU" sign somewhere. idk what do yall think?

but i plan on finishing both. jabari.tumblr.com is the blog!

[Anonymous No.2602451]

>>2602449
typo i said first but i meant the girl one.

[Anonymous No.2602479]

>>2602357
Figure is fine,just fix her left foot.Drapery is shit.It's really important for you to study drapery and composition,and fur ,cause you suck at it .I really like the face,I suggest you that you come back at this after those study's.Keep pushing m8.good luck anon

[Anonymous No.2602481]

>>2601660
>>2601736
Firez?
There are some issues I want to point out.
-You removed the lower part of her cranium.
-The proportions are not correct.
-Very flat, even with hatching.
-Every line is a curve/ no structure. Look into straights vs. curves.
-The neck doesn't connect properly.
-You're confusing bone with soft tissue in the jaw area.
-Noses can be concave but they don't curve that far inwards.
-Her torso isn't exactly in profile, but it's not 3/4ths view either. Same problem for the eye.
I'm thinking you should research/study skeletal landmarks to help you with structure
and proportions.
Features of the face can usually be broken into thirds.
The girl's face in the reference is a bit convex, but your drawing seems to ignore that. It's like
you just extruded the lower part of her face without considering the relationship to the forehead. Might help to draw a curve and then draw in the negative shapes.
You should probably get a solid reference for that bird and look at how they're built, too.
Hope this helps

[Anonymous No.2602565]

Elongated doodle.

[Anonymous No.2602575]

>>2602565
love these, blog?

[Anonymous No.2602714]

>>2602565
i know this is meant to be stylized, but the spine on the left one looks completely broken

[Anonymous No.2602798]

>>2602575
Thanks. I made a couple of weeks ago , but I never uploading anything to it waiting for something.

>>2602714
Past knowing the anatomy errs from the image name and my comment, don't restrict yourself in style; sacrifice sometimes to see if you get favorable results when testing.

[Anonymous No.2602808]

>>2602481
Thanks, I deliberately changed some of the points you listed, guess I should stick more to studies :/

Pic related is progress from >>2596971

[Anonymous No.2602810]

>>2602808
Sorry for posting this slight variation but I'm really at loss judging if the colors are being modified correctly by the moonlight

[Anonymous No.2602828]

>>2602810
You should really learn to critique yourself. Can't always rely on others to point out your mistakes. Learn your own weaknesses.

[Anonymous No.2602847]

Help an anon out please. Pic related looks glowy, fucking how. The whole thing glows in the dark background but there is no gradiant in this background, seems flat. Whats the secret?

[Anonymous No.2602849]

>>2602808
it's a weird expresion, but it's a expresion kek

if you angle the eyes, she will look younger, if you make the pupils point to the same point at the horse, she will be looking at it instead of looking the end of the cosmos

skin is really nice rendered, 1 hand is 1 face in lenght
try to push some emotion into your igrills m8

[Anonymous No.2602883]

>>2602847
looks like some kind of overlay or something. i could be wrong though.

[Anonymous No.2602889]

>>2602847
Duplicate layer
Gaussian blur it
Set blending mode to Lighten

[Anonymous No.2602940]

>>2602849
Pupils are a bit derp, but otherwise big improvement. Has some life to it.

[Anonymous No.2603009]

>>2599744
>>2599745

You're never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.2603025]

>>2598746
>>2601215
>>2601867
>>2602300

>>>/beg/

[Anonymous No.2603044]

>>2603009
And you're just a piece of shit on a shit board.

[Anonymous No.2603089]

>>2603044
Leave this board and never come back then. No one is forcing you to come here.

[Anonymous No.2603121]

>>2603025
the last one isn't bad enough to be considered beginner. the scratchy lines need to go though

[Anonymous No.2603300]

>>2602828


>>2600950
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one here who develops a blind eye to his own work. *Sigh*

>>2602849
Thanks

[Anonymous No.2603327]

>>2602847
Would you wanna collab, anon?

Got a blog?

[Anonymous No.2603331]

>>>2603089
Bit me faggot. And go pray to your Loomis faggot. Ill come here from now on and shit on you when I get better

Bitch

[Anonymous No.2603354]

>>2603327
Not my work, found it around, I was highly interested in the glowy thing without being exactly glowy, I like to learn new tricks. My drawings are chinese cartoons and I dont think thats much accepted in this board.

[Anonymous No.2603366]

Drew a dragon.

Guys is there a good proper way to study exaggerated perspective?

[Anonymous No.2603405]

>>2603354
I like chinese cartoons too and it is true. This board is 99% faggotry

[Anonymous No.2603406]

>>2598530
I'm genuinely mad Ill never know who did that Squirre Gir pc in Op post. Anyone know who did it?

[Anonymous No.2603453]

>>2603025
isnt that last one just a rough idea

[Anonymous No.2603496]

>>2601991
who are you and why do you do this

[Anonymous No.2603501]

just finished this, both OC. drawn on Manga Studio, colored on PS

[Anonymous No.2603537]

>>2603501

There's alot of basics being ignored here. Lighting is confused, and the overall image is flat beyond belief. Also the background she's casting a shadow on doesn't consist with the other girls perspective.

The worst thing that's screwing with me however is the fact you just used a shape tool to make perfectly round glasses that at that tilt would be more akin to an oval.

My suggestion is don't go coloring and rendering this. Go a bit back to shapes and basic form and try applying values and see if you understand how exactly these shapes and the body/lighting work.

>>2603496

Your style is cute. It seems like you worked at baby resolution and blew it up though. That or that line brush you're using is sharp. What is that next to Masterchief (on the right).

[Anonymous No.2603551]

>>2603537
Oh, the low resolution is just because it's a screenshot of a much larger canvas. The thing on the right as hard to read, but I was experimenting with some tools to get a heat wave effect on a character looking into a room sized oven with some things hanging

[Anonymous No.2603575]

>>2603331
You damn bitch ass nigga, you'll never get better with your shitty attitude.

[Anonymous No.2603730]

>>2603453
cant even sketch out a thumbnail without being called a beginner on this board

[Anonymous No.2603874]

i can't decide which is cutest.

gonna work on something else in the meantime and see if i can get someone to pay me to draw this.

[Anonymous No.2603898]

>>2598530
Can someone please critique this without shouting Loomis or linking me to the beginner thread? Because everytime I go there now they won't give me proper critique DESPITE IT BEING THE BEGINNER THREAD!

I'm obviously not done with the picture.

[Anonymous No.2603904]

>>2603898
you need to work on it more. this is a stylization thread, so depending on what youre going for, some rules for proportion, anatomy, etc are ignored based on what works the best for one's style. we can't do that properly without you workin on it more.

[Anonymous No.2603908]

>>2603904
See this is what I'm looking for. You would think that a board designed for critique, would be toned down on the foolery.

But yeah, I get what you mean. I only post here so I don't think get the idea I'm hot shit and can get proper critique. And I get why people would link me to the beginner thread. It's just frustrating when no one will talk to me about it but instead troll me.

I will consider this though and thank you. I might not post in these threads for a while and stick to beginner if that's the case.

[Anonymous No.2603914]

>>2603908
yeah it sucks. there doesn't seem to be a decent site where people exchange honest but proper thoughts without kissing ass for good boy points or being edgy for the fuck of it behind anonymity. you gotta know how to pick apart people's responses and decide the rest for yourself. hell, there needs to be a 'critiquing" critique thread lmao.

and honestly, do both. if youre making a comic, post the panels on the comic thread, figures on the draw thread and linework on the alternative art thread so you can get a batch of responses.

[M !tMTH7Jwnt. No.2603917]

>>2603898
you should obviously be done at that point, and I don't want to sound harash

But your approach to drawing is only going to push you to fail, because if those scratches are everything you did, you lack ground

think of drawing as a doing a building, you need to do foundations first. You're trying to convey his face features/expresion on the go.

Nobody can do that, people might be telling you to go read loomis because you actually need it, but it seems you've not catched it, it doesn't matter

the circle thing to place a head is used as starting point when you convey a sphere from it, and then puting a plane where you place a line that would be around the plane of the face.

You need to understand where that line connects to the sphere, or it's just like a magic spell

You shout few things you don't understand and expect a miracle to happen, that's not how drawing works, so try something different

btw, what's the point of extreme scratching? your handwritting isn't like that

<wip update

[Anonymous No.2603916]

>>2603898
also, remember to lower your photo to 1000'sh size.

[Anonymous No.2603918]

>>2603914
See you get me? Harsh critique is fine if it's actual critique. That's all I'm asking for. What can I improve on and how? That's it. But yeah I'd like to do comics but I'm rustling with anatomy and not to mention I need to work on buildings/perspective.

But yeah thanks for that! A really good suggestion!

[Anonymous No.2603919]

>>2603917
that skin shading is nice, i needa keep up with my painting dailies.

[Anonymous No.2603923]

>>2603917
Well it's really just a sketch and I wanted to get critique before I went any further. It's a work in progress. I appreciate the critique nonetheless, even if you sound kinda pretentious.

[Anonymous No.2603925]

[Anonymous No.2603926]

>>2603898
we tell you to go there to work on your fundies. you don't need critique, you just need to draw way more.
no critique will ever get you out of beginner level.
read some books. even how to draw manga books can help.

this is a "honest and proper" post. now leave.

[Anonymous No.2603928]

>>2603926
That's fair. I'll consider this too.

[Anonymous No.2603931]

>>2603926
you sound awefully familiar

[Anonymous No.2603936]

>>2603931
what are you trying to say anon

[Anonymous No.2603942]

>>2603898
Looks fine, the space between the eyes should be about the size of another eye.

None of the people here will help you, they just want to show off their work in the hope of being noticed. Just keep on drawing and stop looking for approval from others, because you will get little.

[M !tMTH7Jwnt. No.2603944]

>>2603942
posting to say other people post's are useless
wow, that's a whole new level of shitposting

[Anonymous No.2603947]

>>2603928
You really aren't willing to listen to people aren't you? People telling you to read /beg/ and read loomis aren't trying to berate you, they are trying to help you with your fundamentals, because you don't really have a solid understanding of them.

[Anonymous No.2603949]

>>2603947
Shit I messed up my grammar.

[Anonymous No.2603951]

>>2603923
>Well it's really just a sketch

That's not an excuse. There is no point to the extreme scratching. The reason you do it is because you had no real idea what you're doing and you have no real control over your lines. He's not being pretentious, He's being honest. You just need a thicker skin. You literally need to read the sticky. There is no real point in critiquing your work because you wouldn't be able to really apply the critiques given anyway.

[Anonymous No.2603953]

>>2603947
And you're not listening either : )

You're more than welcome to go back up and look at my responses.

[Anonymous No.2603954]

>>2603951
Yes it is. ITS A SKETCH WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT.

Its not a final piece dipshit.

[Anonymous No.2603957]

>>2603953
Lommus!

[Anonymous No.2603959]

>>2603954
I think this might be the first time I've legitimately seen someone who'll never make it.

[Anonymous No.2603960]

>>2603954
Maximum kek. No, their is no point to the extreme scratching. You just have no fucking idea what you're doing. Fuck off with the "it's just a sketch" bullshit and read the sticky autismo. Come back when you actually know how to draw a sphere and a cube in space.

[M !tMTH7Jwnt. No.2603969]

>>2603954
it's a sketch that serve no purpose a good sketch does

even as a quick sketch, it's completly wrong

it's not bad, it's wrong

you can draw foundations poorly, but you do

and you can draw without a single foundation, then it's not just bad, it's completly wrong

[Anonymous No.2603974]

>>2603954
it's an extremely shitty sketch. to the point where nobody in their right mind would give you critique, even in the beginner thread.
despite appearances, some people do try to learn in the beginner thread. you, on the other hand..?

any "critique" you receive might as well just be directly teaching you how to draw from the ground up. do you think this is a school or something? help yourself first before expecting help from others.

[Anonymous No.2603982]

>>2603960
Ooo Sonic how mature~

You're all faggots that don't know how to talk to people

[Anonymous No.2603985]

>>2603974
Well the beginner thread is shit then. Its called a beginner so I expect critique. Or are you being so much of a smartass that you cant see that

That or you're jerking yourself to hard

[Anonymous No.2603987]

>>2603982
I know how to talk to people. I just didn't expect I'd be talking to a child on a 18+ image board.

[Anonymous No.2603991]

he's right though. you guys are all socially awkward, but here at least you don't need to deal with the reaction you're causing.
even though you're telling the truth and this is 4chan, why do you have to be so shitty all the time? what is there to gain?

[Anonymous No.2603995]

>>2603987
You're the child. All I wanted was critique. But noooo

YOU ALL TO BE FAGGOTS AND THINK YOU'RE HOT SHIT. EVEN THOUGH IF YOU WERE YOU WOULDN'T BE ON 4CHAN

[Anonymous No.2603997]

>>2603987
And Bleach too! Such exquisite taste. Jump off of a cliff dipshit

[Anonymous No.2603998]

>>2603991
No one is here to hold hands or to treat grown adults like children. There have been individuals who have been nice to him and he still treated them like shit. He's not a victim. He's an idiot.

[Anonymous No.2604005]

>>2599063
can we get this thread back on track...

[Anonymous No.2604006]

>>2603998
Sure there SOME nice guys in this thread but the majority of you are faggots bby. You gotta accept it

[Anonymous No.2604008]

>>2603998
right, but you know what kind of people I am talking about. there are guys here who simply lurk to shit on other people's stuff. and that is the extreme difference to 'holding hands'
none of you say those kind of things to the face of people you meet irl.

[Anonymous No.2604011]

>>2604005
Tell everyone to get their dicks outta their hands and maybe we can sweaty ;)

[Anonymous No.2604013]

>>2604006
I'm an asshole to people who are assholes to nice people who try to help them out. So yeah, I'm being an asshole to you deliberately at this point. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.2604014]

>>2604011
>sweaty
yall are the ones sweatin some dude lets keep it rollin people.

[Anonymous No.2604018]

>>2604013
Not unless I kill you first basement dweller.

Ill let you sniff your mom's taint before you go, k?

[Anonymous No.2604020]

>>2603898

i'm not gud, but if wanna make something thats not totally shit you should learn some proportions, look at other animes or go on gelbooru and look for "how to"

knowing how the body and parts of the head fit together helps too because you can be more logical in how you should place things, which is where loomis and co. come in handy, best thing you can do though is draw from life until you get a feel for these things, look at porn or nude models or something

but again anime proportions are just something you have to learn by looking at other animes, but you need a foundation to work on

[Anonymous No.2604023]

>>2604011
>dicks out for harambe

[Anonymous No.2604025]

>>2603995
>>2603997

kek

[Anonymous No.2604026]

>>2604020

was gonna post this....it's not something to copy but knowing how things are spaced together helps a bit when planning the head

[Anonymous No.2604030]

>>2604026
hahaha no

[Anonymous No.2604031]

>>2604026

[Anonymous No.2604034]

>>2604030
>>2604031
お前がちんぽを吸う

[Anonymous No.2604044]

>beginners thinking that "critique" will get them anywhere when they aren't even anywhere close to being able to copy a basic anime face.
i just want the normies to leave.

you might think that i'm full of myself or that i'm trying to shit on you but i'm not. i'm just being blunt here. you're taking art too lightly and you'll only drag everyone down.

[Anonymous No.2604051]

>>2604044


lol, get a real talent, like woodworking or software engineering

art is a hobby, people who make money off of art are kikes and parasites

[Anonymous No.2604055]

>>2604044
Look man. I just wanna get better at my art. But I just wanted critique is all. Honestly I'm all edged out, and sincerely wanna talk about what I can do to get better.

I apologize to those that were annoyed with me.

I've just been angry and needed an outlet.

[Anonymous No.2604056]

>>2604051
>being this platinum mad

[Anonymous No.2604069]

>>2604056

Just stating the facts senpai

[Anonymous No.2604075]

>>2604051
>woodworking
>software engineering
well played anon

>>2604055
yeah i get that. but beginners should go to the beginner thread. and the reason you don't get any critiques here or there is the same: you haven't put any basic effort into your work.
art isn't something you learn without practice and theory. you did neither and just waltzed in here expecting others to pull your weight.

[Anonymous No.2604077]

>>2604069
oh right its summer

[Anonymous No.2604078]

>>2604075
I get what you're saying but the same shit happened in the beginner threads. So it's not like I didnt try. And is it really wrong for me to ask for critique other than "study Loomis" or "BEGINNER DURRR"

[Anonymous No.2604079]

>>2604020
>went to gelbooru
>search how to
>BAWK BAWK BAWK BAWK

hel[p

[Anonymous No.2604087]

>>2604079

seriously?

"how_to"

underscore bruh

>>2604077
art degree is as worthless as a gender studies degree, enjoy being useless when shit hits the fan and you get executed for your only skills including "can make a animes that looks pretty gud"

[Anonymous No.2604091]

>>2604087

[Anonymous No.2604092]

>>2604078
there are a lot of resources in the sticky and the OPs of the beginner, draw and altdraw threads. books, videos, you name it. or you can just google it.
if you lack direction, or have any specific questions, ask for them (in the beginner thread). but don't ask us to critique your literal first drawings. it doesn't work like this in music either does it?
>pick up a violin, screech out some shit
>then ask "what do you think?"

it's just like any other thing man, do some research as to how to do it right and then practice.

[Anonymous No.2604094]

>>2604091

not an argument

[Anonymous No.2604099]

>>2604092
I understand you loud and clear. But you personally what would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.2604106]

>>2604099
read "keys to drawing" and then go from there into whatever you're interested in. absorb everything you read, no matter which book it is.
get a sketchbook.
copy your absolute favorite anime drawings.
learn how to do basic studies. learn how to do gesture drawings, learn how to do both really well. google (and /ic/ sometimes) is also your friend.

that's a decent starter i'd say.

[Anonymous No.2604123]

>>2604092
I understand you loud and clear. But you personally what would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.2604124]

>>2604106
My bad that was posted twice haha. 4chan was messing with me.

And thanks this is good advice

[Anonymous No.2604132]

>>2604087
>art degree is as worthless as a gender studies degree

Who said anything about an art degree? You don't need an art degree to make money off art. In fact, people advice against it and to just self-teach since there are so many good useful resources to help you. It's hella summer in here.

[Anonymous No.2604238]

>>2604132

yeah, good luck making money with art unless you do furry porn commissions,even then, unless you're well known you're not getting shit unless you make diaper fur scat porn it's oversaturated as fuck, you're better off keeping it as a hobby and learning to do something useful

[Anonymous No.2604244]

>>2603898

Loomis you shitter, or study some dimension and structure. You're not even past the basics. You drew a circle, the line of the chin, and a line down the middle of the face in an angle, then ignored that angle. It doesn't matter if you're not done with the picture or it's just a sketch, but you didn't even follow your own structure. It's why people are ignoring you/spouting loomis, because at the level you're at you simply don't understand fundamentals that you should either be learning from a book, videos, looking at other artist, or life. No ones going to teach at the level you're at as there's already thousands of different ways to learn.
>>2604238

Become well known by posting your shit and getting good or creating stuff that people find relevant to their interest. Even as a hobby why would you want to stay so shit at it? I wouldn't play video games, workout, etc as a hobby if I was just going to do it wrong, it beats the point and loses enjoyment.

[Anonymous No.2604269]

>>2604238
>yeah, good luck making money with art

You sound like an idiot who doesn't know how to market himself. Making money off art isn't difficult. It's just a lot of people are LAZY. You included.

[Anonymous No.2604274]

[Anonymous No.2604289]

>>2604274

I like it, but I feel a bit tossed off by the angle on the elbows. I'm guessing she's laying her arm/boobs across some surface?

[Anonymous No.2604294]

>>2604269
>>2604244

go make those millions faggots, ill be waiting

[Anonymous No.2604305]

>>2604294
Are you implying that you're a millionaire?

[Anonymous No.2604311]

>>2604294

no, but the most your gonna make with art is a couple hundred dollars a month if you're extremely lucky, alls im saying is "artist" is not a job you want to focus on

[Anonymous No.2604324]

>>2604274
i've seen your art on here a lot, and i just gotta say- every single one of your figures looks deformed in some way or another. in that "one pixel off" kinda way.

your gestures always gimme that bad feel, because it seems like you know about PARTS of the anatomy, but not how to put it all together into a cohesive form. it makes me feel bad, because i want to like your art but i just can't.

practice your gestures a little more senpai. you've got somethin and I wanna see it

[Anonymous No.2604330]

>>2603121
>>2603453
it's a rough idea that belongs in the beginner thread. it's obvious you lack in foundations and no amount of chicken scratch will hide that.

[Anonymous No.2604336]

>>2604026
please dont

[Anonymous No.2604345]

>>2602300

knew it was lsu before I even read the flag so you got that going for you. don't worry I have seen the reveille publish literal trash drawings that look like someone doodled and erased all over in their notebook during class. and yours is actually good. the second one especially. good luck

[Anonymous No.2604347]

>>2603898
there are SO MANY resources for you to access that these anons are kind enough to point out to you.

some of them even gave you legitimate critique, even though critique isn't what you need. (you need practice)
>>2603917
>>2603917
>>2604020
>>2604244

so many people tryna throw you a goddamned line, but you can't be bothered to read any of them because none of them contain the ass tonguing you so desperately hoped for.

you clearly want validation for your unfinished turd, but you're in the wrong place. you don't need the beginner thread, or even /ic/. here, i'll show you where you REALLY belong:

>>>tumblr

[Anonymous No.2604350]

>>2604336


yeah i get it bad hohohoho

just ignore it

[Anonymous No.2604351]

>>2604311
You only need to rely solely on "luck" when your're lazy and dont know anything about marketing or business. The name of the game is creating and owning something and working for yourself. Not becoming a wage slave for some other faggot who's making millions while you'll never make what they do.

[Anonymous No.2604352]

>>2603121
>>2603453
>>2604345

samefagging this hard

[Anonymous No.2604356]

>>2604347

I laughed at your post more than I should. GJ.

[Anonymous No.2604360]

>>2604351

what are you going to create?

A picture? no one knows who you are, your art isn't worth shit
games? ha, good luck without coding abilities
comics? see point 1

you have to slog through so much shit to make a name for yourself and at that point the 5 years it took you to get a fanbase on deviantart or whatever you could have learned a fucking trade and make 80K a year

[Anonymous No.2604370]

>>2604294
>>2604311

Being most useful STEM fields requires some difficult as brick classes to get through and investment in your studies unless you're just incredibly smart and pick stuff up on the first read, which you probably aren't, so with either you're going to invest time and money. The fact you're ignoring this makes me think you're underaged or just know nothing. It's not easy to put at least 4 years of your life into college, and it's not easy to become a super successful artist. Both take effort.

Despite all this anon you should just do what you enjoy doing and not what makes you the most money. Doing a job for anything below 40~60k and not being happy is honestly not worth it.

>>2604360

>the 5 years it took you to get a fanbase on DA or whatever you could make 80k a year

Again, that's implying you go through and do college classes, and that you have job opportunities coming out, and not riddled with student debt and a degree you either hate or can't find a job for. That amount of time spent getting your art up and out there is going to probably cost you less, and you'll more than likely be happier in the end, even if you're not making STEM money.

Also coding is easy to learn. C++, Java, C, C#, Python, and that's in about just a year of studying. I wouldn't want to have to deal with making a game from scratch because runtime is a bitch, but tools like gamemaker are retard easy. You don't even need coding knowledge desu.

[Anonymous No.2604373]

>>2604360
>what are you going to create?
What is merchandise?

There is nothing wrong with dedicating yourself to a trade, but having more than 1 is always beneficial. The ability to draw is a trade and you can market it. It's just a lot of artists don't bother becoming business savy so they don't make anything of it. What you're literally saying is-
>who cares about ownership?
>get a degree and dedicate your life to being a wagecuck for a company that will make billions off your back.

My fucking sides. Summer as fuck in here.

[Anonymous No.2604379]

>getting baited rather than doodling

Not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.2604381]

>>2604324
>your gestures always gimme that bad feel, because it seems like you know about PARTS of the anatomy
That's because he doesn't actually understand anatomy. He does nothing but mindlessly copy other artists on Pixiv. He's not actually trying to learn. He only posts here for attention.

[Anonymous No.2604383]

good thread

[Anonymous No.2604390]

>>2604352

[Anonymous No.2604495]

>>2599582
the key thing that makes the "manga style" and in turn the "anime style" is how the original was printed... often manga use stipples and lines rather than actual darker values so thats one thing to keep in mind. they did this because its easier for cheap ass printers to print dotted line to imply value than it is to actually print light and dark tones.

[Anonymous No.2604561]

>>2601434
I tweaked the proportions of your character a little bit and redrew the hands and I think I figured out what you were going for. Lemme know if this helps, okay?

[Anonymous No.2604570]

>>2604561
Work on your hands.

[Gypal No.2604573]

Incomplete but w/e Critique?

How do you guys go about developing your style?

[Anonymous No.2604597]

>>2598530
Senpai
Famm
Sam
Sempai
Sinpai
Tbw senpai
Tbw sempai

[Anonymous No.2604698]

Wanted to draw some mecha again.

[Anonymous No.2604719]

>>2604698
your perspective is crooked, whole right side of drawing is unaligned. All the lines towards rear are all over the place, details wont cover fundamental issues.

[Anonymous No.2604803]

[Anonymous No.2604829]

>>2604803
Oh, nice colors! A little too hard on the yellow perhaps around her chin.

[Anonymous No.2604839]

>>2604698
Looks cool anon. I especially like the pilot, they're really well done.
Pretty much what the other anon said though, it feels like some of it isn't following the same perspective (the mech's left leg, for example, the ellipse feels like it should be following the same direction as the rest of the leg instead of mostly vertical). That and it feels like some of your line weight is too thick, mostly on the legs of the mech, I think the pilot's fine as far as line weight. It might just be an illusion of the underlying sketch, but it feels like you could thin out the weighting on areas that your light source would hit, or areas that won't suffer from ambient occlusion.

Keep it up anon, I'd love to see more progress!

[Anonymous No.2604841]

>>2604238

kek you sound so fucking bitter.

[Anonymous No.2604927]

>>2604803
>>2604698
>>2604561
>>2603925
>>2602565
Loving these

[Anonymous No.2604953]

A child of God gestates between two conjoined fish.

[Anonymous No.2605124]

>>2604803
Are you who i think you are? Love your stuff dude

[Anonymous No.2605132]

>>2600975
Thanks <3 sorry for noticing earlier

At the end I could not do anything interesting with the hand but added more tones, fixed some proportions, etc..

[Anonymous No.2605141]

>>2604345
oh shit another tiger, wutsup lol. and mann, ive seen some ...interesting art in the paper. even if this wont make it hopefully i can use it as promo to get some paid work reeled in.

[Anonymous No.2605150]

debating if im gonna push one of my dailies

[Anonymous No.2605210]

>>2604953
That's pretty cool actually.

[Anonymous No.2605227]

>>2605132
I for one am sick of seeing your chicken scratched same face bullshit over and over and over

[Anonymous No.2605228]

>>2604953
>between
Looks like something from 1982 "The Thing", so I dig it.

[Anonymous No.2605240]

>>2605132
>>2605227
sad to say, given that you're fairly good considering the level of this board, but he's way too right.

[Anonymous No.2605245]

>>2605132
You need to get rid of your turd polishing habits firez. Its done? ok. even if its full of mistakes its time to start something else

[Anonymous No.2605247]

>>2605240
There are far better artists on this board
Firez only got recognition because he posts muh instagram muh facebook muh tumblr and the sameface generic busts over and over

[Anonymous No.2605271]

>>2605247
didn't say that there ain't better artists on /ic/, said he was better than most of the board.
Have you seen what's on the thread? Just look a bit above.
>>2605141
>>2605150
>>2604573
...

[Anonymous No.2605292]

Still not very satisfied, are the comp and the palette working?

[Anonymous No.2605368]

>>2605271
ouch

[Anonymous No.2605444]

>>2601434
>Kike
lamoa

>>2604561
Blamayyoh

[Anonymous No.2605468]

>>2605271
I cant read

[Gypal No.2605486]

Sly as hell. I'm sad as hell.

[Beginner1 !kU8GNBwUf6 No.2605545]

team mystic

[Nile !!xmt4xI2LMij No.2605582]

Been a while since I did anything stylized

[Anonymous No.2605619]

>>2605582

I'm a little disappointed that's as good as you've gotten all this time for stylized works. What the fuck are you doing?

[Anonymous No.2605915]

>>2601660

[Anonymous No.2605952]

>>2601660
Had to move this to the PC in order to work better with values

>>2605545
Cute

[Nile !!xmt4xI2LMij No.2606079]

>>2605619
And rightfully so, the thing is I rarely even draw heavily stylized stuff any more, except for sometimes when i warm up

[van No.2606123]

sketching with g-nib instead of my usual pencil,might have to do that more

[Anonymous No.2606124]

>>2605292
Comp wise it feels flat, not enough separation between the fore, mid, background to mine eye.

[Anonymous No.2606131]

Is it ok to trace other people's art on a separate layer just to get a good sense of how to control line weight and explore my own lineart style with my new wacom pen?

[Anonymous No.2606143]

>>2606131
Of course, If it's just training and aren't publishing it as yours you can do whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.2606151]

>>2606131
It would be more effective to copy it and compare

[Anonymous No.2606155]

[Anonymous No.2606158]

>>2606131
One of the excersises i've been adviced to do is to trace some ye olde pencil work, like Leonardos. Trace the outlines, but do the shading yourself, trying to copy the original.

i don't see how that's different, i say go for it.

[Anonymous No.2606188]

>>2606151

It would be better to do both. Tracing is a excellent tool for figuring shapes out

[Anonymous No.2606190]

>>2606155
this is rad senpai. blog?

[Nile !!xmt4xI2LMij No.2606195]

>>2606079

[Anonymous No.2606224]

Man I'm lazy. Maybe I'll finish this piece up some day properly.

[Anonymous No.2606276]

>>2606124
Thanks, is it Ok now? I'm struggling like a retard monkey here.

[Anonymous No.2606304]

>>2606195
the cloth folds seem out of place to me

[Anonymous No.2606374]

>>2606276
Better, slightly. Value range is still too close together in the different parts, though I see you applied some atmospheric perspective with the statues.

[Anonymous No.2606378]

>>2606374
Rather the statues are falling back now that the water is brighter.

[Anonymous No.2606387]

[Anonymous No.2606436]

Dicking around with muh style. Will probably render it out if people think it's worth pushing.

[Anonymous No.2606442]

>>2606387
das me

[Anonymous No.2606445]

>>2606436
Why that shit resolution?

[Anonymous No.2606452]

>>2606445
Working on 300 DPI but this was a much smaller fragment of the whole concept. Cropped and enlarged the head since the rest is just a rough sketch and base colors. Lost some resolution in the process.

[Anonymous No.2606484]

>>2606452
This is a thoroughly retarded justification.

[Anonymous No.2606487]

is there a reason this particular board turns everyone into a bigger dick than usual

[Anonymous No.2606498]

>>2606487
anonymity + 'lack' of anonymity(being identified by artstyle) + egos = complete fucking disaster

[Anonymous No.2606514]

>>2606484
Ok.

[A Huge Boner No.2606521]

I was told to post this over here instead
I realize it's mostly a scribble at this stage but I did want another set of eyes besides utilizator giving input.

[Anonymous No.2606535]

good lord, foreshortening/overlapping parts at like this is really difficult, gonna have to look for more gestures like this to practice

[Anonymous No.2606564]

>>2602305

[Anonymous No.2606608]

>>2606521
you were not asked to post here, you were told it was not advanced enough to warrant a crit, twice.
Start working then ask for comments.

[A Huge Boner No.2606617]

>>2606608
is it really too much to ask for someone to just say if the perspective is off-kilter or not? that's literally all I'm curious about at this stage.

[Anonymous No.2606625]

>>2606079
wow, not even an inch of improvement.
do you know the guy who drew those z toon comics?
he's about the same age as you but 10 times better.

[Anonymous No.2606632]

>>2606617
If there's something you shouldn't ask advice for, it's bloody fucking perspective. There's nothing as mathematical as that in art. You take a ruler, you measure things, and you know if it's right. It doesn't need talent, just work.

[A Huge Boner No.2606640]

>>2606632
rude!
it's kinda hard to judge things with complex posing and complex figures, so it always helps to have another pair of eyes to help check if things are off-kilter. I already had some suggestions from others on the scale of the limbs and such, I just wanted to get a second opinion before i moved to the rest of the piece.

You're just a big grump!

[Anonymous No.2606693]

>>2606640
>it's kinda hard to judge things with complex posing and complex figures
it just means that you're too lazy to measure things correctly. It's a bitch, I know, but you can do it. You should already know that drawing is fucking work.

[A Huge Boner No.2606705]

>>2606693
I wouldn't be here if I didn't know it was work. peer review is a pretty good way for making a work better. why are you so grumpy about this totally obvious concept? Are you just too lazy to want to express a thought, or do you just not know how?

[Anonymous No.2606732]

>>2606705
no, since I've spent time talking to you. I want to make you step up your game and be someone who I'll enjoy interacting with.

The issue is I think that you should deserve a crit by showing your work. And desu when I see your """grid""" it doesn't look like you spent that much work on the perspective.
When I do something correctly I can tell you there's a lot more of construction lines. Maybe you did them? But in that case put them on a light layer to show them, then it's easier to see if things are right, without having to redraw them myself.

[Anonymous No.2606737]

>>2606521

The right foot looks a wee bit small in my opinion, and the right wing needs to be a little wider (maybe longer, too).

Take my advice with a grain of salt, I'm currently rusty as fuck and can't draw for shits now. -- I haven't drawn in a year and a half and feel like my hands are crippled.

I know my art is anime, but I guess that's the point of this thread.

post your progress

[Anonymous No.2606762]

>>2606737
Sorry for the messy pages, this crap fest was born out of a hobbyist's nib-pen practice sessions. I'll dedicate weeks of basics before hitting Artstylization again. I'll be honest, I'm just looking to feed my ego with this one post, but is anyone interested in this half-comic half-manga style?

[Anonymous No.2606768]

[Anonymous No.2606774]

>>2606768
definitely beginner tier

[Chicocalte !4Ltr1vH/Dk No.2606784]

Nyuu thread! >>2606771

[Anonymous No.2606799]

>>2606190
facebook dot com slash ARTOFDADEL

[Anonymous No.2606825]

>>2606564

[Anonymous No.2606832]

>>2606825
wow realized her left leg is off lemme fix dat..

[Anonymous No.2606834]

>>2606832
She also doesn't have huge juicy black tits and isn't wearing a skimpy outfit

smdh tbqph family person

[Anonymous No.2606863]

>>2606834

[Anonymous No.2606919]

>>2606825
you should make her eyewhites white :^)

[Anonymous No.2606935]

>>2606123
Blog?

[Anonymous No.2607010]

>>2606935
sorry, mostly just hang on discord.

[Anonymous No.2609959]

>>2606919
Off-white, actually.

White-white would be hella strong contrast

[Anonymous No.2610159]

>>2602849
The change is awful. Looks like a demented pixie slut afterwards.