BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.2478492]

Old one at 300

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make your mom proud.

AVOID asking unrelated questions, There is a question thread for that.

Visit the usual "Art book Thread" to find your desired books.

Do not forget to PLEASE RESIZE and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.
Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," Read the f*cking sticky, it's there for a reason: >>1579290 (Cross-thread) (Cross-thread) (Cross-thread) (Cross-thread) → →
There's a new sticky in town! You can see it at https://www.reddit.com/comments/46sb9k/

>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

Old thread: >>2474684

[Anonymous No.2478497]

how does proportions for the legs work? bottom of knee to bottom of foot = crotch to bottom of knee? or is it slightly above the crotch to bottom of knee?

[Anonymous No.2478511]

What should be the easier media to start painting? I am between oil pastels, gouache or watercolour.

[Anonymous No.2478515]

>>2478511
I recommend oil, not for ease, but to build good painting habits, like blending colors to get a better fitting purple than one bought in a tube.

The easiest media for painting is digital, due to all the shortcuts.

[Anonymous No.2478516]

>>2478511
Every single time I have used it, I have never felt comfortable with watercolor.

[Anonymous No.2478519]

>>2478497
loomis is not just a meme you fucking tard
>pic related

[Anonymous No.2478521]

>>2478519
nice assface thrid guy

[Anonymous No.2478522]

>>2478519

[Anonymous No.2478530]

>>2478515
Even for starters? Isn't it expensive?

[Anonymous No.2478538]

[Anonymous No.2478541]

>>2478530
Welcome to painting nigguh. Cheapest way is getting a tablet and going digital, that way you can do tons of color studies without wasting all your cash on colors. Switch to traditional once you get a hang of it. The skills carry over nicely especially to oils.

[Anonymous No.2478542]

>>2478516
What, oil or digital? All good art supplies are expensive, whether it be gouache, watercolor, oil etc. Oh, and I just realized you listed "oil pastels" My mistake, I meant paint.

You can just pirate whatever you want if you go for digital. You're going to have to stop and buy the programs if you start up a professional business though.

[Anonymous No.2478544]

>>2478542
Meant for >>2478530

[Anonymous No.2478545]

>>2478530
Watercolor is cheap.

[Anonymous No.2478552]

come on niggas, this is such a shitty beginner thread, just one ref?

[Anonymous No.2478557]

>>2478552
Will be posting more when I get home. Also I posted a low res OP photo on acciden too.

[Anonymous No.2478565]

Here, I'll give you couple more refs but you better fucking draw and post them niggas.

[Anonymous No.2478566]

[Anonymous No.2478568]

[Anonymous No.2478570]

>>2478492
>>2478519

i'm measuring this girl out, and it doesn't seem to me like her crotch is 4 heads from the top of her head?

[Anonymous No.2478578]

>>2478570
wot? you made 4 head sized lines and almost reached the mid point. Seems to me it fits pretty fucking well.

[Anonymous No.2478582]

>>2478578
well it's about half a head from her actual crotch...? i might be completely retarded here i'm just trying to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.2478585]

>>2478582
1. Humans are different.
2. The line would be a bit bigger if you would measure it when she is facing the camera straight, like Loomis demonstrated.

[Anonymous No.2478586]

>>2478582
Don't be fucking retarded. That body is pretty twisted to be able to be exact and these proportions are "ideal" just for use as guidelines. There can be minor differences from person to person.

[Anonymous No.2478590]

>>2478570
Well one problem is you're using straight measurements to measure a curved torso.

Also the head proportion thing can vary a little, some people have slightly shorter torsos or longer legs etc than others.

[Anonymous No.2478593]

>>2478590
>>2478586
>>2478585
>>2478582
thanks guys. sorry for retardation

[Anonymous No.2478594]

>>2478570
couldn't find the original one, here is a shitty one

[Anonymous No.2478605]

>>2478594
That's Caprice and Valerie

[Anonymous No.2478610]

>>2478605
>>2478594

Personally I think the black lady is an example of an abnormally short torso, and they put her next to a girl with a torso on the longer end of the spectrum. torsos don't normally vary so much, especially between women of similar heights.

[Anonymous No.2478611]

>>2478610

[Anonymous No.2478626]

>>2478610
>those hoverhands

[Anonymous No.2478629]

>>2478565
Month 2 reporting in.
I have absolutely no idea how to shade something yet, so i didn`t even bother. I just tried to make it look 3D and to place everything correctly.

[Anonymous No.2478645]

>>2478629
Is this an oogabooga skull or what?

[Anonymous No.2478669]

>>2478629
how many bones cost stone tablet?

[Anonymous No.2478675]

>>2478565
I don't know how to shade, also the eye feels too small and the cheekbone tooth measurements don't compute, which could relate to the eye. but how am I doing?

[Anonymous No.2478684]

My sketchbook pages are 14x21 cm and I usually fit 6 heads (2 columns x 3 rows) on one page, is there an advantage to drawing bigger?

[Anonymous No.2478708]

>>2478675
Shading's done by building up layers of tone, from starting with light and finishing with the darkest, mistakes people make are not going dark enough or light enough, or not using ground tones, or using too much line and flattening the drawing, (unless that's what you're going for.)

[Anonymous No.2478724]

>>2478684
Bigger space to draw = more opportunity for detail. Also larger drawing space makes it easier to practice shoulder/elbow movements for drawing as well as for gestural drawings.

[Anonymous No.2478743]

first serious drawing after a few month's hiatus, tear me to shreds

[Anonymous No.2478745]

Is there any trick to drawing a straight on face so the jaw isn't cockeyed as all fuck? Any time I try to draw a head the jaw is always the worst looking. Yeah I know I gotta work on the placement/construction a bit, but this was my first attempt to draw a head after not bothering for so long.

Don't mind the crappy pic/angle btw. Don't have my scanner hooked up atm

[Anonymous No.2478756]

>>2478745
>symbol drawing
read the sticky

there are no tricks, just practice and study.

[Anonymous No.2478766]

>>2478756

This is not symbol drawing nigger

[Anonymous No.2478769]

>>2478756

And i've read the fucking sticky.

Going "thats symbol drawing" is not a valid fucking criticism.

[Anonymous No.2478775]

>>2478769
Assuming you really did just draw what you saw and its not symbol drawing, then your subject isn't human stop drawing a mr potato head and draw a human face

[Anonymous No.2478777]

>>2478769
Nothing looks three dimensional, that is the biggest problem.
Just start reading loomis (like the sticky told you) and stick with him, it will fix all your problems

[Anonymous No.2478784]

>>2478777

I have fucking read loomis, ive done all his horse shit.

How do I make it look 3D without shading then, nobody ever answers me that.

On top of that I can't draw curved objects worth a damn.

[Anonymous No.2478793]

>>2478743
You're not really hitting the values that the original reference has, too dark in some places, too light in others, the shapes of the shadows are off, etc.

[Anonymous No.2478796]

>>2478784
Is this bait? Why do you ask for advice and then deflect everything people tell you? You are symbol drawing, you can't draw 3D, you don't understand loomis (which is apparent just by the fact that you call it horseshit when pretty much every working artist uses some variant of what he teaches).

[Anonymous No.2478798]

>>2478784
Take a good look at what you are drawing. Just looking at the eyes people can tell you are symbol drawing since you are inputting what you think eyes look like rather than what you see. Eyelids have thickness to them, and I don't know what the lines on the top of the line of the eye are. The eye ball is set inside the skull with the eyelids sliding on top of it.

[Anonymous No.2478803]

>>2478784
You need perspective to make things look 3D. Do draw a box, loomis seems above you right now there isn't some secret people are keeping from you, you have to train your brain to do these things

[Anonymous No.2478804]

>>2478784
Do all of it again until you understand it. If you find loomis too hard to understand, check out some of the other resources posted in the sticky that you obviously read.

[Anonymous No.2478826]

>>2478804

i've done fucking draw a box and all that shit

I am intent on drawing my face. I have a ton of trouble drawing curved shit.

[Anonymous No.2478831]

>>2478708
I gave it a shot and it came out not that bad. I had no idea what I was doing tho, so it sort of just came out like this. Any pointers?

Mechanical pencil is all I got.

[Anonymous No.2478853]

>>2478826
lmao what is this autist rage

instead of crying on a tibetan peach collecting website you should try practicing instead

my man here obviously doesn't understand how long it takes to get good

[Anonymous No.2478862]

this is my first time painting anything, only done drawing so far. Not sure if there are pointers aside from "get better", but if there are I'd love to hear them!

[Anonymous No.2478869]

>>2478862
I really really really feel like ive seen this before

[Anonymous No.2478871]

>>2478831
looks dope nigga

[Anonymous No.2478876]

>>2478869
uh, you may notice it vaguely resembles the picture in the op?

[Anonymous No.2478879]

>>2478831
I can't see anything wrong with it. How long have you been drawing?

[Anonymous No.2478883]

>>2478876
Not the source image but specifically that drawing

[Anonymous No.2478887]

>>2478883
literally just drew it. started when i saw this thread.

[Anonymous No.2478895]

>>2478871
thanks!
>>2478879
about 4 months (but I'm 30), I've been strictly doodling the whole time, but now I'm ready for fundamentals and all that. This might be the first time I've had positive feedback on anything I've posted yet!

[Anonymous No.2478957]

>>2478831

Some areas look better than others, you should use the side of the pencil more to avoid the scratchiness in the rendering. If you feel confortable with mechanical pencils then maybe consider getting the ones with bigger leads, I'm taking 2 mm, if you don't already have it.

anyways keep going m8

[Anonymous No.2478990]

>>2478895

You're doing damn good for 4 months, just keep it up.

[Anonymous No.2478992]

>>2478957

Not that guy but I own one of these, do you have a suggestion for a good utility lead hardness? I've been using 2B and it's pretty decent but I might buy another pack of leads soon.

[Anonymous No.2479000]

>>2478743
>>2478793
Tried my best, kept accidentally resting my hand on the left side so that's why it's a little fucked up

[?_? No.2479005]

anybody studying hogarth?

[Anonymous No.2479007]

>>2479000

He looks fucking pissed.

[Anonymous No.2479015]

>>2479000
If you're working horizontally, you can always put down a piece of scrap paper between your hand and drawing.

[Anonymous No.2479021]

>>2479015
thank you based anon, I fucked hate being left handed and working with charcoal

[Anonymous No.2479024]

>>2479021
Just be sure not to drag the paper around or it'll smear the charcoal. If you need to move it, check to make sure it isn't picking up too much material or it might transfer it, if it's clean enough, pick it up and move it. If it's too dirty just replace it. Don't bother with nice paper, just use paper you were planning on throwing away or newsprint paper (not printed paper, that thin stuff).

[Anonymous No.2479038]

I want to draw this but I'm a bit lost as to where to start. It seems a little intimidating. I've made some lines on the drawing and on the reference to indicate perspective, but does anyone have any tips as to how to construct this?

Also, how do I avoid getting lost in the detail? I often spend hours and hours on a small insignificant feature when drawing a portrait. I fear that because of the level of detail on this drawing I will spend too much time trying to draw a small insignificant shape and my drawing will suffer, or I will be too broad and it will be a bad drawing anyway. Thanks for your help.

[?_? No.2479044]

somebody should make artbook thread
(i like collecting artbook file)
but not me

[Anonymous No.2479060]

>>2479038
someone please reply i fucking hate myself

[Anonymous No.2479061]

>>2479060
draw the big shit first then draw the small shit

[Anonymous No.2479063]

>>2479061
Thankyou

[Anonymous No.2479065]

>>2479060

What medium do you want to draw it with? That'll impact your approach quite a lot.

[Anonymous No.2479066]

>>2479061
>>2479063
I'm sorry for my tone, this was really helpful.

[Anonymous No.2479068]

>>2479065
Pencil on canvas.

[Anonymous No.2479070]

>>2479038
>I often spend hours and hours on a small insignificant feature when drawing a portrait.
Sounds like autism son.
You should learn to suggest detail better.

You're the type of drawer who's detail focused which is fine.
Except you've gone too far in that direction.

Try to be more big picture and see the Forrest instead of the trees.

[Anonymous No.2479081]

>>2479070
Thank you very much, I'll try it out.

[Anonymous No.2479083]

>>2478862
any critique for this? thanks guys

[Anonymous No.2479094]

>>2478862
>>2479083
Don't shade with black unless it's a black and white drawing. Use something like an adjacent color instead.

[Anonymous No.2479095]

>>2479068

Pencil requires some forethought since you're basically adding dark to a white canvas (whereas if you were painting/doing it digitally you could slap lighter values on top as you go - you can erase pencil but it's a trickier arrangement and forethought pays off better than trying to correct mistakes).
At a basic level you want to identify the basic setup first, sort of like if you look at your reference and unfocus your eyes. You'll notice the top part is light, the bottom part darker (that's probably obvious to you). As the other guy said pretty simply, you start with the big shit and narrow down. Different people approach it different ways, Sorry for the super sloppy example but pic related is generally how I'd divide the lighter and darker sections of the image. Worry less about the trees themselves, more about the values.
From there, you want the basic shapes of each tree - start with simple triangles. You can work in very light lines to start, but just get the very simple shape of each tree in. Once the whole thing is plotted out, then you can feel better about rendering. Consider value as you go. If it helps you, save the image and greyscale it. I find it's far, far easier to consider value arrangements when you look at it in black and white.
You'll want to be confident with your control of shading, too. You should have control of how dark your pencil is getting - and the hardness of your pencil can impact this too. If you're using a standard 2h pencil you can only go so dark without fucking up your paper. If you're using an 8b you can obviously get a lot darker.

[Anonymous No.2479101]

>>2479094
ok. thanks. I did it in grayscale first but I guess I fucked up the colouring

[Anonymous No.2479110]

>>2478568

nice size bro, I really needed a reference on that singular eyelash

[Anonymous No.2479140]

>>2478492
okay tried this shit again

not really sure what's wrong, I think I didn't push values hard enough and didn't define hard surfaces well enough but not sure

[Anonymous No.2479141]

>>2479140

Values is part of it but not the main problem, look at the rib cage compared to the breasts.
You have it so the ribs look like they angle down (that is, the left is higher than the right), but the breasts angle up. (right is higher than the left). It makes it look messed up.
By the curve of the hips, you want to raise the ribs to angle in line with the breasts.

Think of the hips and the ribcage as two entities that, in many circumstances, angle in opposite directions (sometimes it's easier to compare shoulders and hips but similar idea).This isn't universal but in poses like yours it looks more dynamic that way.

[Anonymous No.2479157]

Lads in a thread a couple of days ago were really helpful so I want to ask for feedback again for whoever wishes to give one

Also, If anyone can post a reference I can use to draw the gun near the tank's back I'd be grateful, I got no idea how to go with it.

Oh, the girl holding a rifle, it's not like the armpits are wrong, that's just how her outfit is in the official art apparently.

Again, thanks

[Anonymous No.2479167]

>>2479157
where is the focal point? i look at this and my eye goes to the middle of the picture which is like the one place where nothing is happening

[Anonymous No.2479170]

Hi, please give me critique?

[Anonymous No.2479171]

>>2479167
What do you suggest? Move the characters to a selected focal point?

[Anonymous No.2479181]

whats with this fucking cursor that i accidentlied in photoship? its basically a crosshair with a circle and number 1 to the bottom left. its not in any layer

[Anonymous No.2479183]

>>2479170
Looking good, bruh.

Right upper arm is quite warped and that's not really how lmg's work, but I really like the expression. Oh, and the legs need some looking after, as well. If you scroll up to only see the top of his legs, he has a front butt.

[Anonymous No.2479216]

So I learned the Reilly method today and I tried one from memory after doing a few copies and from models and this method really feels amazing. Anyone else really enjoy this technique?

[Anonymous No.2479223]

>>2479216
I do. It's a lot more detailed which basically means less guesswork. I think it fits for someone as sperg as me.

[Anonymous No.2479266]

>>2479157
>no other replies

I'll take it it looks ok enough anatomy-wise to color I guess
I might give some work on the guy near the tank though

[Anonymous No.2479304]

>>2479266
This is the beginner thread where we jack off over loomis. That seems like something in the alt thread.

[Anonymous No.2479306]

>>2478957
I would definitely buy one of those. I think the one I got is 0.5..
>>2478990
Thank you, I'll keep posting!

[Anonymous No.2479307]

>>2479216
ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.2479315]

What about this linework makes it so appealing? Are the heavier lines arbitrary because I can't tell why some are emphasized and some aren't but I can look at this and say "this looks nice."

[Anonymous No.2479319]

>>2479304
>alt thread
?

[?_? No.2479321]

>>2479216
i tried this one yester day
yes it's really fun

[Anonymous No.2479329]

>>2479315
Well it isn't appealing to me but thats just my opinion. But the thinner/thicker lines are there to imply shadow or show a lost edge vs hard edge

[Anonymous No.2479330]

>>2479329
Hmm, why imply shadow rather than show it?

[Anonymous No.2479339]

>>2479330
Some shadows are so small its easier to read them as a line

[Anonymous No.2479341]

>>2479315
That's not the linework, that's just your shitty taste that makes it look nice. The linework is terrible.

[?_? No.2479343]

is it good practice drawing random people with quick sketch? i doing this for capturing peoples' character

[Anonymous No.2479345]

>>2479343
life drawing is always good practice

[Anonymous No.2479348]

>>2479341
I guess it's cause I'm a beginner. Everyone above me is great to me.

[Anonymous No.2479361]

>>2478565
I've been strugling with the shading, i don't know shit about it. How is it? Any pointers/criticism would be much appreciated.
i don't have a decent camera, so i just scanned it

[Anonymous No.2479363]

I tried to color something, this is hard

[Anonymous No.2479378]

>>2479361
looks very "artistic". really impressive, tho I'm a mere beginner myself. If I had to comment on something I'd take guess that the far eye could be darker....?

[Anonymous No.2479388]

>>2478745
This will never get old

[Anonymous No.2479392]

>>2478745
>>2478769
>>2478784
>>2478826
Jesus christ..

[Anonymous No.2479402]

>>2479378
>that the far eye could be darker....?
Ah, yes, thanks anon.

[?_? No.2479432]

do you guy's have 'impatient'?

[Anonymous No.2479439]

[Anonymous No.2479440]

>>2478745
>>2478766
>>2478769
Literally wew the lad.

[Anonymous No.2479442]

>>2479363
this is cool

[Anonymous No.2479461]

>>2478862
Measure the anatomy of your sketch and mirror flipp it before going any further and you will see the mistakes.

[Anonymous No.2479491]

>>2478992

It really depends, I would put in the mechanical pencil the hardness that I use the most when drawing. If you feel comfortable with 2B you might as well just keep using that, for me I feel as I can't go dark enough so I would choose something like 7B or 8B, and keep a regular, cheaper 2B pencil for the initial line in.

Thing is, you'll have to try different things out untill you find what's good for ya, and it is very likely that you'll end up buying shit that you ain't gonna ever use again, but that is part of this whole process you know, just enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.2479493]

Hope this is flipped correctly.

I'm trying to do the Proko mannequinization exercises. Thoughts? I have this feeling that I'm failing to simplify into basic enough shapes

[Anonymous No.2479517]

>>2478831
Don't be afraid to go heavier, and think about where the light source is, mechanical pencil is nice because you can do this kind of directional tone and show the forms with it.

Nice drawing nigga.

[Anonymous No.2479525]

>>2479216
where did you learn?

[Anonymous No.2479534]

>>2479525
Youtube.

[Anonymous No.2479597]

>>2479319
>>2474273

[Anonymous No.2479600]

>>2479266
Cause it's alt thread material now.

[Anonymous No.2479620]

>>2479493
True, the point of drawing mannequins is to be able to draw them again from imagination and you seem to rely a bit too much on your reference for that. Your volumes are starting to look pretty good though. The body is kinda flat, needs a more definite side plane, especially for the pelvis.

[Anonymous No.2479625]

>>2479620
Thanks dude.

Yeah, some of the contour lines were sloppy or even wrong, and the pelvis needs to be more clear. Will try to force spheres, cylinders and boxes

[Anonymous No.2479630]

I was drawing a girl from the ref thread and it came out looking like a woman from a 50's ad.

I think that's enough Loomis for me guys.

[Anonymous No.2479635]

>>2479361
Anyone else? I need to improve my shading and proportion, just don't know how. Halp.

[Anonymous No.2479648]

2 and a half months reporting in. First day of leg/knee studies.

>>2479635
The best way to fix proportions for me is to just draw the real construction *skeletons* over and over and over and over from the mind.

This drawing in particular has his eye's and nose a little far up relative to his lips and ears, and the eye on the right side of the paper seems a bit off compared to the other and falls a bit flat.

Otherwise looks fine to me, senpai. You did a nice job making his skin feel flexed and stretched like an old man should be.

[Anonymous No.2479659]

This is bugging me.

[Anonymous No.2479666]

>>2479517
ok, thanks man. I'll be getting a 2mm mech pencil asap.

[Anonymous No.2479667]

>>2479648
>draw the real construction *skeletons* over and over and over and over from the mind.
Thanks, anon. I'm doing it right now, gonna practice to draw them from different angles too, i'm pretty shit at that.

[Anonymous No.2479680]

While people mention it: What's a reputable 2mm mechanical manufacturer?

[Anonymous No.2479694]

>>2479680

Staedtler is really good for that kind of thing. The Mars Technico you will see its used by a lot of great artist (Proko, Alphonso Dunn)

[Anonymous No.2479704]

>>2479659
Lay something flat and heavy on top of it that will apply even, flat pressure, like a textbook or a stack of books with a weight on top of it.

[Anonymous No.2479708]

>>2479635

Your proportions are good m8, they'll keep getting better if you draw, draw and draw.

As far as rendering, Idon't know If I'll help you much because i'm also learning. Only advice I could give is work slow, observe the edges of the shadows and practice them, a good use of soft, firm and hard edges will make your forms read better and if you know how to control them, it will make your drawing more appealing. You used a lot of hard edges on the eyes and nowhere else, that makes them stand out but not in the proper way, as it makes the other parts of the drawing look like they don't belong. Think of a balance of soft, firm and hard areas, that'll really help to make the portrait more coherent

Keep going bro

[Anonymous No.2479723]

>>2479708
Thanks man, it really helps. I knew there's something off about it, just don't know which one.
Gonna try to spend more time on my next drawings.

[Anonymous No.2479731]

>>2479694
Thanks

[Anonymous No.2479755]

>>2479493
Tried another. Thoughts?

Went for more of a mannequin look, but it still feels really flawed. It's like I'm using contour lines like a crutch. Also fucked up the proportions and measurements a bit more.

[Anonymous No.2479760]

>>2478492
I've recently bought a subscription to NMA. I'm going through Sheldon Borenstein's fundamentals course and I don't know how to study. Should I try and do the same studies as Sheldon does in his demos? Or are they there just for presentation purposes? He goes quite in-depth when drawing, without actually discussing the technique he is applying.

I guess I'm just looking for a pointer to how to study from these videos, when there isn't a clear path or a curriculum

[Anonymous No.2479945]

How far can perspective go? 6 points is the limit, right?

[Anonymous No.2479960]

>>2479945
You can have unlimited VP's

[Anonymous No.2480020]

[Anonymous No.2480090]

Is Loomis antisemitic?

He starts off by teaching you how to draw caricatures of jews and then it's nothing but stereotypical 1930s Germany aryan men and women.

[Anonymous No.2480114]

>>2479534
links?

[Anonymous No.2480126]

>>2480090
Loomis proves he's based once again.

[Anonymous No.2480131]

>>2480126

>le edgy antisemitism

fuck off

[Anonymous No.2480134]

I'm trying to level up my drawing skills but have no direction when sketching. Where can I find this Loomis stuff? Google isn't being very helpful

[Anonymous No.2480157]

This is my first try at a pose. I'm going through Hustons video series on the torso, which also covers the arms and legs briefly. He doesn't give any exercises, so I thought I'd try to apply what I've learned so far in the tutorial.

Am I on the right track? Or am I totally lost?

I plan to watch vilppus series on figure drawing from NMA after this, and more of hustons course on drawing the head.

[Anonymous No.2480160]

>>2480157
You should really try at all to get the proportions right

[Anonymous No.2480176]

>>2479648
Not sure where the feet are compared to one another, but the femur slants inward if both feet are close to one another.

[Anonymous No.2480177]

>>2479038
If you wanna go the autism route, draw the trunks with accurate relationships and proportion first. Everything else clearly follows from that.

[Anonymous No.2480180]

>>2479361
Very scratchy, but you've got all the forms in place, at least it seems so without looking at the reference.

[Anonymous No.2480182]

>>2480157
You seem to be on the right track. I can see that you're trying to use a single curve to represent the essence of the gesture, which is good. Keep using long, flowing lines to describe the gesture. I can see that's what you're trying to do in the arms. I would suggest taking this further: imagine your ref's right arm as a long curve all the way down to his right foot. This curve does not quite resemble the one in your drawing (see attached picture). Seeing longer curves like this will help you capture the likeness of the pose easier in the early stages.

[Anonymous No.2480239]

>>2480134
There's something you should read on ic that rhymes with "Vicky"

[Anonymous No.2480252]

>tfw only one reply to my post asking for crits

[Anonymous No.2480253]

>>2479171

you create a focal point by using lines and gestures that guide the eye to where you want it to be.

for example: though your composition gets dense to the left, the angle of the tank's dick shaft and the closed body language of your limp-fingered naruto guy make me think the important stuff is on the right with that girl making eye contact with me. but then there's all the weight on the left crying for my attention, and i feel off balance.

so no, you don't need to dump characters into one spot.

redraw this picture with characters planted on the same points, but change their poses or sizes.

I would try making the girl closer, and pushing the tank back. you're gonna make a nice snake-like path from front to back for the viewer to follow back and forth.

[Anonymous No.2480254]

>>2480252
(you)

[Anonymous No.2480255]

>>2480252
take a (You), friend

[Anonymous No.2480256]

>>2480252

take this (You), its yours!

[Anonymous No.2480285]

>>2480254
>>2480255
>>2480256
w-wow guys you shouldn't have

[Anonymous No.2480317]

>>2480239
Dicky?
Picky?
Pricky?
Fucky?

[Anonymous No.2480319]

>>2480134
http://alexhays.com/loomis/
idk if you were kidding around, but if you weren't then here they are

[Anonymous No.2480323]

>>2480114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RmHOvmPJjE
this looks good.

[Anonymous No.2480335]

Once you get the basics of perspective down how should one graduate from making cube skyscrapers to more and more complex buildings? Gothic architecture looks so beautiful but I just have no idea how to even approach drawing it.

[Anonymous No.2480342]

>>2480335
You divide it up.

[Anonymous No.2480444]

>>2479140
Okay, tried this again. Form seems a bit better but values seem sort of wonky.

I'm not quite sure why, I think I fucked up the values on the directly lit part of the left side.

Also the cast shadows seem to destroy the form and I'm not sure how to handle them.

>>2479141
Thanks, I looked at the ref again and the construction was off in quite a few places

[Anonymous No.2480472]

>>2480090
He probably wasn't a Nazi, if that's what you're thinking. He's just a product of his time. Things were different. Plus stereotypes and shorthands were easier, both to draw and to give an example.

I'd love to see an artist draw non-caricatured black people in that old style, though.

[Anonymous No.2480486]

At least my grinding is paying off. This is better than the attempt last month. Still need to get noses, mouthes, and ears down the most on my heads.

[Anonymous No.2480489]

At least my grinding is paying off. This is better than the attempt last month. Still need to get noses, mouthes, and ears down the most on my heads.

[Anonymous No.2480507]

>>2480489
Once you stop symbol drawing, it gets a whole lot easier to work around.

[Anonymous No.2480513]

Looking for general help, but also how do I make a drawing look dark without actually just making everything so dark :/

[Anonymous No.2480518]

>>2480507
Yeah, I am still not fully grasping the draw what you see, not what you think you see. I'm sure it will click eventually after a lot more practice, but it is a good feeling seeing at least some improvement.

Back to mastering fun with a pencil.

[Anonymous No.2480536]

>>2480489
>1.99 MB
>3264x2448

[Anonymous No.2480538]

>>2480180
>Very scratchy
Yeah, it's a bad habit. Thanks man.

[Anonymous No.2480550]

Took a crack at this one from the previous beginner thread. Cropped out the notes, though - I had a lot of fun doing this one.

[Anonymous No.2480557]

Tried drawing >>2478568 but I think I resorted to symbol drawing and my lines are weak. Can you guys suggest other things I need to work on? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.2480561]

>>2480557
Instead of the light reflecting off her nose, you should shade around and erase the area that is in the light. Outlining it makes it look like she has slime on her nose. At least that is how I see people do it.

[Anonymous No.2480580]

How do I study Loomis?

[Anonymous No.2480582]

Anyone have things similar to this?

[Anonymous No.2480596]

>>2480580
draw what you want

apply what he talks about when you draw

do for a year

congrats u are now not entirely shit

[?_? No.2480608]

I'm trying to face with imagination i don't even know what the fuck is going on

[Anonymous No.2480618]

>>2480608
Your 3/4 view is flat. Like, comedically flat. You should know features of the face wrap around instead of on a block.

[?_? No.2480621]

>>2480618
is michael hampton's head drawing part helps me?

[Anonymous No.2480625]

>>2480621
Are you saying you should read it? If so, then yeah, he does a good job in explaining how to think of the head in 3D with planes. If you're saying you already read it, then... reread it.

[Anonymous No.2480628]

Why does my shading look like there's dirt on the face?

[Anonymous No.2480637]

So I'm at that initial point in which it's dawning in me the reasons why I suck at copying things. I am a beginner but I aim for a ultra realistic copy while I do my studies and because I keep getting unsatisfactory results (trash) I keep feeling bad. I get easily lost on the details of things. I can't really make a simple sketch of anything without feeling insecure enough to dump it. So my question is, when you are trying to make a simple sketch of something--let's say a head, because that's how I'm studying-- how do you choose which lines gonna compose it? Is there a text talking about the subject that I could read for knowledge? Thank you.

[Anonymous No.2480638]

>>2480550

I really liked how that lines made the shading.

[?_? No.2480639]

>>2480625
I don't know this is better
I have to fix this shit

[Anonymous No.2480641]

>>2480628

Anon, I think you went for symbol drawing. It's not a face you want to draw, it's a mix of lines, shades and light.

[Anonymous No.2480643]

>>2480639

Anon, draw from reference, then study anatomy, then draw from imagination.

[?_? No.2480646]

>>2480643
thank's that's why i need loomis

[Anonymous No.2480650]

>>2480639

Also, while copying try to follow this chart

[?_? No.2480657]

>>2480650
wow you really gives clue about fixing face
i really suprised, thanks

[Anonymous No.2480659]

>>2480650
I've seen several pics like this by the same artist posted on /ic/ before. You wouldn't happen to have them too would you?

[Anonymous No.2480660]

>>2480582
Go get Brague's Drawing Course. It might be available in the art book thread. It's full of cast drawings.

[Anonymous No.2480672]

>>2480650
That step by step's pretty nice yo

[Anonymous No.2480680]

>>2480513
i can't even see this

[Anonymous No.2480681]

>>2480680
yeah i know, that's what i was saying. how can I improve it?

[Anonymous No.2480689]

>>2480513
>>2480681

Try strong contrasts. Light everything as you would normally (and keeping in mind the location of the one or two light sources), but make the shadows and unlit surfaces contrast more against lit surfaces, but you don't have any at the moment. Dark darks and light lights.

Also use long and/or wide shadows.

[Anonymous No.2480690]

>>2480689
ok. thanks anon. that helps

[Anonymous No.2480704]

>>2479945
Have a look at the Cubists, they took it basically as far as it could go.

[Anonymous No.2480705]

What can i do to improve this, i want to leave it very light over all.

The jaw and the ears are off i just noticed

[Anonymous No.2480710]

how to armpits

[Anonymous No.2480713]

>>2480705
ref

>>2480710
resize your img pls

[DalaiLana No.2480730]

>>2480705
eyes too big, forehead size is also too small.

You should shade under the lips. corners of the mouth need to be darker. Also give more line weight/darken the line under the chin to bring in forward.

[Anonymous No.2480777]

>>2480705
brows too thin
nose too long
lips too small
ears too low
eyes too far apart
fine if you're not going for realism or trying to get the reference down exactly but it looks a little anime tier

[Anonymous No.2480781]

>>2478570
Not every person is precisely the same amount of heads. Some could be 6, some could be 7.5. Measure it out as it is every time instead of trying to fit the same template.

[?_? No.2480791]

>>2480650
I'm struggling this shit with 2 hours should i grind it?

[Anonymous No.2480808]

>>2478492
jesus, I actually draw collarbones like this chick has yet I felt they were wrong

[Anonymous No.2480811]

>>2480808

most americans are too fat to draw collarbones like this, but on healthy people it is normal

[Anonymous No.2480819]

Month 2 here.
I can construnct things out of shapes at this point, i can make figures have any pose i want from imagination if i take enough time to draw the shapes.

But i cant for the life of me figure out how to do gesture drawings, and i think part of it is that i don't understand what they are trying to teach me. What do you do them for?

I can get them to look halfway decent if i have enough time to draw certain landmark shapes, but not in 30 seconds or a minute, and i also don`t think that this is the point of it.

Does anyone have some more unkown tutorials for gesture? I watched all major ones.

[Anonymous No.2480829]

>>2480705
tried to fix it. Im kinda dissapointed, gonna call it a day on this one.

>>2480777
Nice trips, im kinda tired of realism so i want to stylize more but i dont want it looking like an animu either, ty for advice.

[Anonymous No.2480833]

3rd Proko mannequization attempt. Still not sure what I'm doing, but hey.

[Anonymous No.2480838]

>>2480833
>mannequinization
jeez

[Anonymous No.2480878]

O Loomis sama, teach me the way to keep my faces from coming out so potato

[Anonymous No.2480879]

Absolute beginner here. I just finished the first exercise mentioned in the sticky. This was the first time I actually attempted to just copy the lines. How badly did I fuck up?

Am I ready to move on to Keys to Drawing?

[Anonymous No.2480903]

I bought a dirt cheap student gouache kit and this is the first time I try to use it. My intention is to use it as a transition medium to go from pencil only to oils (and maybe gouache + watercolour in the future).
Not sure if a good decision since I don't have anyone guiding me, but at least I'm enjoying.

[Anonymous No.2480940]

>>2480833

[Anonymous No.2480954]

>>2480239
You're right, Anon. I realized I should have checked it out before asking. Sorry about that.

>>2480319
I wasn't kidding. Thank you for the link

[Anonymous No.2480965]

>>2480878
Are you constructing the face at all or just drawing free-hand? I'm guessing the latter since I see no construction lines (unless you erased them0 Legitimately go check out Loomis and learn proportion/construction

[Anonymous No.2480971]

>>2480940
What is going on with that torso? Rib cage is way too small and pelvis is way too big. The way her waist is cinched makes it looks like she lacks any internal organs. The way you've drawn the abs makes no sense anatomically. Either go review Proko's videos or work on gesture/bean-shaped forms before working on the mannequin.

[Anonymous No.2480978]

>>2480819
Have you watched Vilppu's stuff? I feel he's one of the best gesture educators out there.

[Anonymous No.2480982]

>>2480978
I haven't watched much of him yet because most of his videos cost money, but i`ll check out what i can find. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.2481000]

>>2480971
You're right about the ribcage. Not sure about the abs.

[Anonymous No.2481008]

>>2480878
what >>2480965 said. Also check your proportions. Just basic visual measuring would suffice to eradicate some of your more severe problems. I also would putt off using tone until you have a bit firmer grasp on the basics of drawing a head.
If you haven't reached the part for the facial features yet, you can just block them in. Otherwise, get some reference, analyze them as a 3D form and really try to stick to the reference.
Symmetry is also pretty important for a face from the front, so look out for that. Use a mirror to check it/take a photo and flip it.
Also, don't draw lashes like in the last two unless you are drawing someone with really tacky make up /a prostitute.

[Anonymous No.2481012]

>>2479170

ankle pronation iss fucked up and makes the pose loook whack

depth into the page is conveyed a lot better on the gun comapred to the left arm, but I like the top half overall

[Anonymous No.2481055]

>>2480965
>>2481008

Whoa you guys are right

I got a long way to go but at least attempting construction lines provides less of a headache

[Anonymous No.2481061]

>>2481008
>>2480965
>>2480878

Whoa you guys were right

Still got a long way to go, but at least construction lines makes placement slightly less of a headache

[Anonymous No.2481099]

Has anyone done the exercises on part 3 of lesson 1 at drawabox? I dont get how to do the rotated boxes at all because Im supposed to freehand both 2 and 3 point perspective. Wouldnt it be better if I started drawing the vps and when thats comfortable move on freehand?

[Anonymous No.2481103]

>>2480643
that doesn't look like the same angle to me

[Anonymous No.2481104]

Don't know if this qualifies as beginner, but I'm starting to get into digital painting seriously now. My first exercise here is a value study, based on a caricature I attempted in pencil last year.
Pretty much used the soft round brush the whole time, but that's not gonna work with hair.
Also, I started in greyscale, and am trying to use multiply layers to add colour. Any advice on that is welcome

[Anonymous No.2481126]

>>2481099
Watch prokos video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo

What helped me was doing 2/3 point perspective guideline my boxes first and observe how the lines converge at the angles the box is in. Then trying it out freehand. Maybe if you have a simple 3d model program you can compare those boxes to your freehand boxes and correct errors.

[Anonymous No.2481133]

I honestly don't know where to start. My art is terrible, I can't draw faces for shit, letalone objects correctly in perspective. What do I do. Can someone give me an answer that that isnt vague like "loomis/perspective made easy".

[Anonymous No.2481136]

Sorry for bad light. Feels like I'm getting closer to a mannequin but overall it turned out kinda shit. Off balance to begin with.


>>2480940

[Anonymous No.2481140]

>>2481133
All the non-vague answers are in those books.

What's so fucking difficult about reading them?

[Anonymous No.2481141]

>>2481133
No. You already made your own thread with plenty of advice given to you.

[Anonymous No.2481142]

>>2481140

what book do I start with, then? I've heard FWAP is something I should skip as it's really bad.

[Anonymous No.2481145]

>>2481141

being spammed with shitposts is not advice

[Anonymous No.2481147]

>>2481142
Why not sit down with the book for an hour or two yourself before you decide it's shit. Just do some kind of study, some authors are recommended for a reason.

[Anonymous No.2481155]

>>2481147

The problem is I learn better with videos as opposed to books. Yet apparently thats frowned upon.

[Anonymous No.2481160]

>>2481155
Then watch prokos videos.

[Anonymous No.2481161]

>>2481155
Never seen videos being particularly frowned upon but who gives a shit anyway. Just watch videos if you rather do that. I have no problem with books but right now I'm following the Proko videos and they're well liked. Just do it.

[Anonymous No.2481166]

>>2481160

meh

I've tried, I don't know why but I can't seem to get anywhere.

Am I supposed to have perspective down before doing ANYTHING?

A major problem of mine is also construction. But I also can't draw a circle/the head shape worth a damn, I follow exactly how the loomis shit says to do it but my stuff is always way off.

[Anonymous No.2481169]

>>2481166
>I've tried, I don't know why but I can't seem to get anywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

[Anonymous No.2481176]

>>2481166
It's because the progress you will make with practice is generally too gradual to notice. After a good chunk of time you'll suddenly realize you've learned what they're teaching. It's unlikely you've put serious time and effort into those resources, most beginners struggle with that stage where they want to see quick improvements and so hop around to tons of different resources but never spend enough time to learn anything. All technical advice given here is going to be a repeat of the sticky and put much better by the resources given. It may suck, but there's no special order that will make you get good quick, the only suggestion people can make is start with the basics and study what you're bad at.

[Anonymous No.2481179]

>>2481176

Well I honestly have no clue where to start. And I've been shitposted to holy hell on here.

[Anonymous No.2481193]

>>2481179
If you go "meh" at every suggestion and come up with bullshit excuses like some special snowflake, people will "shitpost" you. There is a sticky and if you master the resources in it you will get good. Whether or not you're gonna do any work or just sit around moping is your problem, not /ic/'s. Study can be boring, boo-hoo

[Anonymous No.2481204]

>>2481193

so what im going to be stuck drawing a bunch of shitty cubes for the next year and not do anything productive?

If I want to draw people but can't do jack shit where do I start, perspective, then construction? Multiple people have said FWAP is extremely outdated and that skipping it is best. I have no problem putting the time in but I want to do it as efficiently as possible

[Anonymous No.2481207]

>>2481166
>Am I supposed to have perspective down before doing ANYTHING?
You need to understand the basics of it at least. You don't need to have perfect mastery of it to learn other things, but you should read up on it and do a few exercises.

[Anonymous No.2481211]

>>2481204
Then fucking draw people. I'll tell you a secret: Everyone does that (drawing what they want)

No one actually spends years doing nothing but grinding cubes or whatever. You read up on the theory and then you try to apply it to your work whenever you can. No one's going to come and tell you what to draw, that's up to you.

Hundreds of drawings later you'll notice improvement.

[Anonymous No.2481219]

>>2481204
No one here can tell you exactly what to do. No one here knows you and no one is going to try and design a specialized git gud program just for you. Unless you're a fucking simpleton you know this deep inside.

You will need thousands of hours to get good. Whether or not you spent 10 hours trying different books in the beginning doesn't fucking matter

>efficiency
Give me a break, you just lack conviction

[Anonymous No.2481220]

>>2481219

well I have a hard time sticking to something if I am not seeing even the slightest improvement.

I've followed prokos tutorials on eyes and shit, did exactly what he said, still got called symbol drawing.

It's fucking irritating

[Anonymous No.2481222]

>>2481204
The sticky literally gives you a step by step guide (containing more than cubes), which is why people react so badly to requests for advice like this. Choosing to study such resources is already going to make you as efficient as you'll probably get right now. Do your best to read and apply the provided resources by drawing for two hours every day for six months and come back here if you don't believe this. You will see improvements, and if you don't then we're lying and the magic formula will be given to you for your efforts. Six months is nothing for a hobby you'll spend years cultivating, so don't get caught up in wasting time. As long as you're drawing, you aren't wasting time. What does waste time and cripples efficiency is endlessly searching for the "best" way to learn. It sucks, but that barrier to entry is precisely what gives it such value.

[Anonymous No.2481226]

>>2481220
Guess what, your drawings are going to look like dog shit for a long time even if you do the 1337est drawing studies of all time. It's called being a newbie. I've drawn for hundreds of hours and I still get fucking roasted by cucks on here, that's life

[Anonymous No.2481232]

>>2481220
I know you said you were willing to put in the time, but stopping to search for better ways is your brain tricking you into getting out of it. You may think you're okay with putting in the work, but if you were you would be and this discussion wouldn't be taking place. When people say you have to put in the time, they also mean you have have to overcome that frustration and put in the time anyway.

[Anonymous No.2481241]

>>2481232

Well aren't like only 2 loomis books + the perspective book all I really need to start?

[Anonymous No.2481280]

>>2481241
Norling
Vilppu
Loomis
Dodson
Bridgman
Hampton
Proko (videos)

These dudes all have some well liked and insightful material on different stuff. This list is not exhaustive and there is no internal order to it. What can be guaranteed is that if you go through all of their books/videos and spend 4 digit amount of hours on serious study, you will get good.

Yes you can start with a couple of Loomis books and some perspective if you want. Just do something. Pinpoint study of weak points will be up to you later, right now you're not on the level where you can identify them. (It's like a weak fatty going on /fit/ and discussing what muscle groups he should focus, utterly pointless)

[Anonymous No.2481313]

Hey, quick question. I only recently began drawing seriously with aims to improve, until then, I've drawn all my life with whatever I had close to my, which were mostly pens.

I'm doing my exercises with the usual pencils, 2B, HB, 3H, etc. But I found a mechanical pencil like pic related, 0.5. I feel like this mechanical pencil suits me more, I like the weight it has and as far as I know manga artists like them too.

So the question is, is it ok to use them for study exercises, Loomis and that kind of stuff? Or should I stick to regular pencils?

[Anonymous No.2481328]

Growing more patience to do studies

much better than my last one >>2480020
though I can improve somethings

[Anonymous No.2481349]

>>2481313
I'm no expert but consider this >>2478957
i myself use mechanical pencil.

[Anonymous No.2481368]

I've looked at the sticky, i've seen a ton of posts saying a lot of the resources in it are bad. So I'm ultra conflicted here. What's legit and whats not a meme? Lets say I am passed the betty edwards phase and am working from there.

[Anonymous No.2481401]

>>2481368

the sticky is a meme

[Anonymous No.2481402]

>>2481401

Well then what do you do then?

[Anonymous No.2481409]

>>2481402
Don't listen to him. The sticky is alright, but the Artbook Thread is without a doubt better. Get some books from Loomis, Keys to Drawing, studies, etc. Gotta put balls into it, tho

[Anonymous No.2481416]

>>2481409

I have all of those books. But everyone says the loomis books are a fucking meme/not for beginners/outdated as shit and there are better resources.

All I want to fucking do is draw people correctly. It's my construction and perspective that needs the most work I think.

[Anonymous No.2481427]

>>2481409
Don't listen to me? Young man I practically made the sticky. It was made in the heart of /qa/ as a means to stop people from making repeat threads. Back then we had crossboarders who never were /ic/ residents pitching into the sticky. Anything with enough "yes" and "this" to one persons posts made it in the final. And once the mod saw everything was A-OK it was set in stone.

Those yes and this replies were proxy users so the mod wouldn't find out. 2013 was one of 4chans worse year if not THE worse year ever by effectively killing board cultures. Anyway you're more than welcome to ignore me and follow the sticky, just giving you a brief history.

[Anonymous No.2481433]

>>2481427

What do you suggest then?

[Anonymous No.2481445]

>>2481433

What do you want to do? What career in art do you want? You can't be a He-Man and say "I wanna do illustration, comics, and concept art". Research throughly the specific job you want to get into that matches your interest; the salary, the expectations of your role, what software you use (if any), if you need to relocate etc. Once you do that you'll then know exactly what resources you need to find to get employed in that specific area and fill your portfolio with nothing but what is expected of your career pick.

You're employed, congratulations. You can then branch out and study other things. Remember pick one thing, if you don't you'll wander aimlessly and download a fuck ton of tutorials from the artbook thread that you'll never read and be even more confused like what >>2481427 is suggesting you to do.

[Anonymous No.2481454]

>>2481445

I want to draw concept art. Namely as a hobby, same with comics. Theres a lot of creative shit I want to do, like writing and painting, writing doesnt nearly take the amount of practice that drawing/painting does. But still.

I want to be able to draw anything, more specifically people. And people keep saying loomis is outdated as fuck/not very good. And I seemingly can't learn jack shit using proko either.

My construction/perspective/etc is always way off, my faces look deformed/flat/symboly

[Anonymous No.2481479]

>>2481454

Like I said you don't really know what you want but you like the 'idea' of being a concept artist. You're most likely under 30 years old you have a whole life ahead of you to learn all you want. If you're in it to get a job pick one field but if you're hobbyist trash then I can't say anything else cause hobbyist are scrubs.

As a reminder people recommended loomis back in the day because it was free and you could find it everywhere on the internet. It covered basic construction but the diagrams were confusing to the beginner and most people didn't know how to study from it. Copy the images in the book? What about reading the book? Then it got republished and people were like "LOL support the dead author don't download his books!". Back then we never had as much FREE SHIT to download as we do now...now there are better materials out there.

[Anonymous No.2481481]

>>2481479

>> people aren't allowed to draw as a hobby

[Anonymous No.2481486]

>>2481481

Hobbyist are gross.

[Anonymous No.2481494]

hey all

i'm just starting out, literally, and am doing drawabox right now. i've got lesson 1 finished. I was going to keep going until I got to the dynamic sketching exercises, but from there I don't know if I want to focus on other things.

I've found the Perspective Made Easy book and was going to do that after drawabox, then How to Draw by Scott Robertson.

Probably between thatI was going to take a look at proko to learn how to draw dicks and penises and balls (testicles) and all the other important parts of the body

does this seem like an ok plan to try and practice and get gud in an efficient manner?

[Anonymous No.2481540]

>>2481494
If you're studying you're efficient. Don't trick yourself into wasting time by waiting or spending time finding the "correct" order of resources to work with

[Anonymous No.2481547]

Whats the ideal tool to start learning to draw with, a pencil, lead pencil, charcoal?

Im assuming it doesnt matter, using a lead pencil though right now.

[Anonymous No.2481608]

>>2481540
thanks

[Anonymous No.2481755]

>>2481328
the body's the best part, notice that in your drawing the angle the couch makes with her back is a bit off. also her face is way off, not even the same size and angle -- draw the shapes on her face and not the actual face itself

good improvement though, keep trucking

[Anonymous No.2481866]

does it ever get better? this shit is hard as fuck and this is "fun with a pencil".

Wish i had a model for the keys to drawing so i could finish that shit.

[Anonymous No.2481882]

Does anyone happen to have a shitload of eye references that I can grind on

[Anonymous No.2481884]

>>2481882
I requested some hi-res eyes in the reference thread. It's the one before the current one. There's maybe 15-20 in there.

[Anonymous No.2481885]

>>2481866
>week 1

[Anonymous No.2481894]

>>2481885
>lollaughingimage that doesn't explain a fucking thing
>lolwhatisweek1
>lolyouhavenothingbettertosayfaggot?

[Anonymous No.2481898]

>>2481894
>being this bothered by a shitpost

[Anonymous No.2481902]

>>2481898
>procrastinating this hard
I just can't understand while i can get the idea of drawing my hand across when i draw it but when i try to copy those "blooks" i can't get even fucking close to having it look like the book.

how the fuck.

[Anonymous No.2481927]

>>2481104
>that face

[Anonymous No.2481936]

>>2481902

It's because you're a raw beginner and those 'blooks' were drawn by a professional illustrator

Don't worry about getting it exactly right, just try to do it for practice, and make sure you understand what's being taught.

[Anonymous No.2481981]

first digital..im such a noob

[Anonymous No.2481983]

>>2481981
i was gonna say there was a thread for this

then i looked at your picture again and now i think you posted in the right thread

[Anonymous No.2482031]

Is there a "rational" (meaning not exclusively based on intuition) explanation for where we seperate two faces of a round(ed) object? I'm doing proko and the Robo bean requires me to indicate the edges between the front/back and side planes of the torso/pelvis. I don't understand why they are where they are; wouldn't it be just as valid, for example, to seperate a round object into only a front and a back plane? Or into a front, 1/4, side, 3/4 and back plane? How do we decide where the front plane ends and the side plane begins? Surely there is some sort of mathematical reasoning for this.

[Anonymous No.2482056]

>>2482031
Draw an ellipse representing a crosssection of the torso. Find the distinct rectangle such that all the corners of the rectangle lie on the ellipse and the the total space between the ellipse and the rectangle are as small as possible. The corners of the rectangle are where the planes meet. The number of planes is arbitrary. If you want 8 planes, use an octagon. The location of the edges is very specific, usually even unique.

[Anonymous No.2482058]

>>2481104
Seriously consider mirroring your stuff.

[Anonymous No.2482181]

>>2481866
My drawings from the loomis book look similar to this, I've only been drawing from it for a few days though.

[Anonymous No.2482242]

[Anonymous No.2482251]

>>2482242
uh...

[Anonymous No.2482252]

>tfw you can draw a better eye in photoshop with a mouse than with a pencil

I think I should really invest in a tablet as soon as I find a new job. Being able to zoom in 300% and have the eye as big as your monitor is so much easier.

[Anonymous No.2482281]

It isn't great, but I will keep working. I need to work on introducing loomis to a reference without reverting to symbol drawing. Also, the shading is atrocious and the line work is horrid. Is there anything I missed?

[Anonymous No.2482282]

>>2482281
Be aware of the head in relation to hair. She is missing an entire chunk of the back of her head.

[Beginner1 !kU8GNBwUf6 No.2482392]

i've saw the gesture video

but i appear to not be able to "exaggerate" the gesture and the result is really stiff figures...


Anybody had the same problem? How do i solve it?

[Anonymous No.2482397]

>>2480650
Are the proportions just guessed here or is this some construction method I didn't see before

[?_? No.2482401]

>>2482392
Use your imagination and use some references i recommend it

[Anonymous No.2482402]

>>2482392

You don't have the spark

[Anonymous No.2482405]

Quick question. Is grid drawing where you grid your refrence and then your picture bad. It feels like cheating. Also, I heard watching timelapes of people drawing helps you see what you do wrong. Who's timelapes should I watch

[Anonymous No.2482435]

>>2482392
Contrarian opinion here. Gesture is both an advanced and esoteric concept. You have absolutely no chance creating appealing gesture drawings as long as you're this insecure about your linework. Long, confident strokes are the fundamental building blocks of gesture. It's not something you should worry about right now.

While we're at it, I think you are too obsessed with creating nice drawings. Your goal should be to become good as efficiently as possible rather than to make your drawings look as good as possible. How long did you spend on each of these? I bet you could have done 5 times as many poses if you hadn't spent all that time retracing your lines and fiddling with meaningless corrections.

Are you making these from loli animu references?

[Beginner1 !kU8GNBwUf6 No.2482486]

>>2482435
Made these without any reference

[Beginner1 !kU8GNBwUf6 No.2482493]

>>2482435
i know it sounds and it IS stupid

but i somehow hate to copy even if it is for exercise

Dunno, feels like cheating

[Anonymous No.2482510]

>>2482486
Cherish your sense of aesthetic proportion then, because I'm digging the stylized anatomy. It's not gonna help you get good faster, but once you're good, style makes all the difference.

>>2482493
Again, your goal shouldn't be to actually create art. There is no such thing as cheating during training.
You don't have the fundamentals required to confidently draw from imagination, which is why you have to (blindly) fiddle around with it until it seems right. Your issue is with drawing, not with imagination. You can more effectively practice the drawing when there's no imagination in the way.
You're going to have a much easier time if you have a reference that immediately makes every mistake blatantly obvious.

[Beginner1 !kU8GNBwUf6 No.2482521]

>>2482510

I'll try, thanks :D


Well another problem of mine is...

I want to draw mainly loli

But every artist around have his sense of loli, and a lot of them "Break the rules" for some things

So... finding good reference is hard...


Also, most artists i watch on live streaming says "nah, i don't do exercise, i did it wrong until i did it right" Literally they created a fuck ton of shit until they got good...

[Beginner1 !kU8GNBwUf6 No.2482524]

>>2482521
if i had any set of studies from some loli artist it would help me so much

(Something like this, i made these by copying tho)

[Anonymous No.2482562]

>>2482510
>>2482435
I bet you're feeling real stupid for wasting your time on him now.

[Anonymous No.2482687]

hope I remember how to finish this when I wake up

[Anonymous No.2482732]

New beginner here

I can reference draw a little better than your average normie

Can someone give me a progression path? I'll start from the very basics, I don't mind.

Everyone is saying Loomis and Right Side are meme books, and Proko's videos seem good but not sure what order they should be followed.

Should I just start drawing shapes? Still life? I have no idea where to start.

[Anonymous No.2482761]

[Anonymous No.2482776]

>>2482732
read the fucking sticky you autist cunt

[Anonymous No.2482795]

>>2482776
Everyone lately here has been telling me the sticky is outdated. Calm the fuck down faggot.

[Anonymous No.2482817]

>>2482795
use your brain, how the fuck can the basic skill of learning to draw be outdated?

[Anonymous No.2483562]

From this picture let me know what you think I should work on.