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[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2300568]

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Post your current drawing here and give constructive critique to others!

Please make sure your posted image is clear, downsized to around 1000 pixels wide, rotated to the correct orientation, and that any unused space is cropped.
If you want critique on a drawing from the previous thread, you can delete it there and repost in this one.

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[Anonymous No.2300570]

I bet you were so excited to put your work as the OP image

[Anonymous No.2300573]

>>2300568
Too concerned with the rendering. You've lost sight of the whole thing--just look at how nothing relates to each other, how awkward the pose is, how the proportions are off, the face doesn't match the body, the feet aren't planted on the ground etc.

[Anonymous No.2300574]

>>2300570
maybe if you draw, you'll have something that you'll be excited to share with us as well :^)

[Anonymous No.2300576]

>>2300574

I draw plenty, its just that Firez is shit

[Anonymous No.2300582]

>>2300568

[Anonymous No.2300601]

took anons advice and started thumbnail size first before zooming in and it was helpful. about four hours so far. will finish tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.2300611]

>>2300582
buttocks face strikes again

[Anonymous No.2300632]

[Anonymous No.2300641]

>>2300601
Zorn is bae, and so are you!

[Anonymous No.2300643]

tell me if this is shit, i recently started doing things when they cross my mind

[Anonymous No.2300656]

>>2300601
nice so far! perspective on the glass is fucky though

[Anonymous No.2300657]

>>2300643
There is actually a thread specifically for alternative art and stylization. This one is more traditional stuff and emphasis on fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.2300664]

>>2300656 Aw shit, sorry for bothering!

[Anonymous No.2300666]

>>2300657 Aw shit, sorry for bothering!

[Anonymous No.2300669]

>>2300656

thank you. and yes, the glass it is quite fucky. the hands and glass were the last thing I worked on for the day.

[Anonymous No.2300675]

>>2300666
All good, and nice trips!

[Anonymous No.2300680]

>>2300568
how is she not falling off

[Anonymous No.2300699]

[Anonymous No.2300731]

now that the head is fixed the eyes are more balanced

[Anonymous No.2300736]

>>2300731
>the head is fixed
she still kind of looks like she has no cranium but it's just stylized enough to work out.

[Anonymous No.2300747]

trying to practice planes and form. drew some fruit. i think this drawing is actually a big step in the right direction. there is so much to remember when you're drawing!

[Anonymous No.2300749]

>>2300747
>once again absolutely no attention paid to form

[Anonymous No.2300751]

>>2300699
It seems like the art style is trying to compense the lack of knowledge of fundamentals, but it works on the dog. The problem is everything else, specially the castle: the art stlye suddenly dissapears there.Also your humans seem to lack legs.

[Anonymous No.2300757]

>>2300699

[Anonymous No.2300763]

>>2300731
Damn, that's cool. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.2300764]

>>2300749
this entire drawing is me paying attention to form. fight me irl

[where are you Mike? No.2300765]

>>2300601
What's the size of your canvas for thumbail?

[Anonymous No.2300768]

>>2300764
All you care about is your rendering gimmick. By the haphazard way you laid those hatching strokes so that they don't actually describe the form and structure of the fruit, or the plate, and how the apple in the front looks more like a cake donut, it's pretty evident you didn't actually observe enough to accurately capture the forms of any of those objects.

[Anonymous No.2300772]

>>2300768
dude if that's how you actually think about improving your artwork how do you ever get anything done? if you don't get it right the first time it's not worth the effort to try again? I'm not trying to have a rendering gimmick I'm just trying to find a way to approach drawing that makes my paintings better, like everyone else on /ic/

[Anonymous No.2300782]

>>2300764
>fite me irl

[Anonymous No.2300783]

>>2300772
You have a problem with absorbing information objectively. I didn't say anything about not trying again, what I said was to observe what you're drawing. Really observe it. If you don't get it right, absolutely do it again. And again, and again, until it is right. Then, when you can draw something as you see it, you can start playing around with styles and abstractions. Until you do that, everything you draw is going to look like it has no underlying structure and it's melting. I drew this when I was 2 years younger than you are now. It's definitely not perfect, but it's not about achieving perfection. It's about being as observant as possible & learning to use those strokes to convey what you observe, rather than rushing through it and filling in gaps with what you think the object looks like & how you think hatching should be used. If you actually want to get better, push yourself to really draw what's in front of you, and use the hatching to show form.

[Anonymous No.2300787]

>>2300783
Not him but I really tihnk you a're full of shit. The drawing looks fine to me and you don't point what's exactly wrong, all you do is
>M-MUH FUNDAMENTALS.
Like the typical d/i/ck.
Are you insecure, anon? you like to say inane stuff on the internet so people go "woow, that anon sure knows his shit!". It seems you'd be like that.

[Anonymous No.2300791]

>>2300731

[Anonymous No.2300793]

>>2300783
Dayum anon that hand is flawless. I can actually see the tendons and muscles and bones. Interesting shadow play as well. I'd love to see some of your finished work

[Anonymous No.2300794]

>>2300793

>flawless

but its not

>>2300791

thank ya dude, adjusted it earlier after I took a break and looked at it again

[Anonymous No.2300797]

>>2300787
I gave specifics on what's wrong with the picture. I pointed out how the structure on the plate and front apple don't look believable, and that the hatching isn't describing the forms. Hatching works best when it follows the contours of the form and wraps around; look at the bottom middle of the lemon, and top right corner of the front apple - the hatching there follows no flow, and gives a muddled sense of whatever kind of light and shadow is supposed to be there. I could go into more detail, but it really doesn't matter if you don't listen to me, or believe me that careful observation is absolutely necessary for good painting and drawing, at least the type you claim to want to do. I only wanted to take one chance at explaining what the problem is with your work and how you can overcome it. I have no stake in it, it's not my art on the line.
>>2300793
Thanks, it's not flawless but it shows what I needed for the example.

[Anonymous No.2300800]

>>2300794
Please explain why (the hand)

[Anonymous No.2300803]

>>2300797
I told you I wasn't him.
The only thing I could point out being off is the plate, but that's about it.
People learn art in different ways and the way he tries to convey with hatching is his own business. It's not wrong to do it however he pleases, if it isn't the method you'd follow, then that's your problem.
But for me, an observer, the drawing looks good. I can understand what I'm seeing and I think it's good for practice.
You're not evaluating an expert, but someone who's just trying to figure out planes and form. He'll get a good hang of it if he keeps doing it, but for someone who's doing it for practice, it looks great,
The potential is there and I think you fags ignore that way too often, since you don't even bother to mention the pros, all you focus on are the cons.
But what can I expect? d/ic/ks are like that.

[Anonymous No.2300808]

>>2300800
As the person who drew it, I can already tell you a few things. The top knuckle is way out of place, and the meat or heel of the hand by the pinkie is too stunted, should've been a bit longer. The thumb should technically be at more of a 180 degree angle too. This was from a live model, not a photograph, so I amalgamated a lot of vantage points in a strange way, which is where I think most of the errors come from. Still, the observation and use of hatching is there, not masterful, but enough to demonstrate what I mean and that I'm not just saying this stuff to this guy without believing in it and experiencing it for myself.

[Anonymous No.2300810]

[Anonymous No.2300812]

>>2300808
you know what would really help though is a drawing you've done in pen. cause pencil hatching and pen hatching are totally different skills. also perhaps just entertain the possibility that the way i crosshatch and the way you crosshatch are totally different. like this hand i did last month for example. completely different stylistically from yours.

[Anonymous No.2300813]

the bg came out looking bad, but it looked decent as i was working on it. oh welp

[Anonymous No.2300814]

>>2300812
if mine looks good, and yours looks good, at some point what we are talking about is who has better taste, and that's not something we're gonna settle on a 4chan image board.

[Anonymous No.2300815]

>>2300814
>>2300812
Amazing work.

[Anonymous No.2300817]

the bg came out looking bad, but it looked decent as i was working on it. oh welp

[Anonymous No.2300823]

>>2300812
>>2300814
I only posted my drawing to demonstrate what I meant and show that I've actually practiced what I preached, not to get into a dick off with you. You post here, on a critique board, presumably to get critique, but whenever someone gives you any, you immediately try to pick a fight. I've seen what you do in other threads and I'm not gonna be the one to get into that, I've already done too much going this far. I've said what I had to say about your work, looking at these I feel the same, and have nothing else to add. If you change something from this point forward I may have something else to say to you, but while you're doing the same things, I'll have the same critiques, and I'm not going to repeat them again and again. All the best to you.

[Anonymous No.2300824]

How bout i turn up the heat

[Anonymous No.2300828]

>>2300765

about the width of my thumb. I zoomed out an image that is 912x1024 pixels to 16.7%, which is 152x171 pixels with a 1900x1200 desktop resolution on a 15" screen which ends up an image that is about 20% wider than the width of my thumb.

[Anonymous No.2300830]

>>2300823
>I only posted my drawing to demonstrate what I meant and show that I've actually practiced what I preached
you posted a flimsy drawing of someones hand you did in light ass pencil. post a pen drawing that demonstrates what you are talking about because like i said pencil and pen aren't the same thing. i can't even see the hatching because the paper is so textured. it all looks smudged together. like what is that shadow the fingers curled in is casting? that looks ridiculous. you don't represent the entire top plane of two of the fingers. the finger pointing up has literally no lines wrapping around the form or describing the planes.

like i said, you have good taste cause it still looks good but that isn't a good example of describing every form and plane on an object. and it's especially not helpful because it's another medium.

unless you just posted that to say "i can draw too listen to me", in which case cool i guess but you aren't qualified to talk about what I'm trying to do based on that drawing you posted.

[Anonymous No.2300833]

>>2300828
So you draw while you're zooming out?

[Anonymous No.2300834]

>>2300824
the blue sky destroys the impact of this piece.

[Anonymous No.2300835]

What do you think? Neck needs work, but aside from that?

[weeui !8XVaGRdnfM No.2300836]

>>2300828
Navigator.

[Anonymous No.2300837]

>>2300835
Quite impressive! amazing work.
Her nostrils seems a bit small though...but then again, I don't know what picture you're referencing IF you happen to be making a portray.

[weeui !8XVaGRdnfM No.2300838]

>>2300835
edges. you have areas that are sharp when they should be soft and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.2300840]

>>2300838
What areas?

[Anonymous No.2300844]

40min studies from today
Anything i can improve or simplifie to help make them read better?

[Anonymous No.2300847]

>>2300844
You're wonderful. I can't believe someone so talented would bother to post in such an awful board.
I'm saving these for future reference! I''d appreciated it if you posted more. Seriously, this is wonderful stuff.

[Anonymous No.2300848]

>>2300844
Man, these are great. These look like they were from life, were they?

[Anonymous No.2300849]

>>2300847

this board is a lot bigger than many people let on, keep an open mind

[Anonymous No.2300853]

>>2300849
Nah, I've lurked for a long time and since it's a super slow board, I've noticed this place is as petty as /cgl/. Everyone tries to tear the other apart to feel good about themselves, sometimes they don't even realize they're doing it.
They try to discourage others the best they can with
>Focus on this thing I won't tell you
>Loomis
>You're trash, give it up.
and if someone does something right, anons get mad at them and point out insignificant stuff out of spite.
You don't really win with this place.

[Anonymous No.2300854]

>>2300833

yeah. the width of the image was about the width of my thumb when I started painting.

[Anonymous No.2300856]

>>2300854
Woooah, that's great! I imagine your final canvas is bigger than 912x1024 ?

[Anonymous No.2300858]

>>2300835

In general the transition between the shadow core, reflected light, and direct light aren't smooth enough, giving an unintentionally "hard" look to something that should look soft and organic (woman's neck, cheek, forehead, nose, etc). Maybe the reference you're using called for it, but the highlights and shadows seem to be less saturated than the midtones, giving an eerie technicolor look. the texture on the fabric is convincing. Use a larger brush, and use less brushstrokes when painting flesh.

[Anonymous No.2300859]

>>2300856

the final canvas is 912 x 1024.

[Anonymous No.2300863]

>>2300859
Isn't that a bit small though? I might be talking out of my ass, since I normally draw in a 2500x2500 canvas...

[Anonymous No.2300864]

>>2300858
Is that a bad thing though? the painting style kinda reminds me of leyendecker

[Anonymous No.2300866]

>>2300858
Since when are highlights supposed to be more saturated than midtones?

[Anonymous No.2300867]

alright i had another go at these fruit. the fruit on the left were difficult and came out a bit confusing visually, but i think the fruit on the right actually look pretty good. idk if this is good practice to get forms right but i might buy a really thin pen like 005 and do a whole drawing gridding out the planes then apply the shading with thicker pens. would probably look like a mess but i bet it would be great practice. maybe buy some lilies at the supermarket, they are pretty good practice for construction and planes.

[Anonymous No.2300873]

>>2300867
I really like it, anon. And how even though the lines are pretty bold, you still manage to give them volume.
Good practice! I can't image the things you'll accomplish if you keep doing this!

[Anonymous No.2300875]

>>2300873
Calm down, mom.

[Anonymous No.2300876]

>>2300875
Just saying what I believe!

[Anonymous No.2300877]

Hello /ic/ I have a question

I am a beginner at art, but I have a particular artist whose style I really like. Is replicating their art as an exercise the only good way to get good at drawing in that style?

[Anonymous No.2300878]

please help

[Anonymous No.2300882]

>>2300877
>I am a beginner and I have a question
>beginner thread?
>hmm, no
>question thread?
>nope
>draw thread? what is that? "Post your current drawing here and give constructive critique to others!"
>this is perfect!

[Anonymous No.2300884]

>>2300877
it's not the only way, but it's a good way. you can do master studies of individual pieces you like from the artist, or you could read up on the artist and find out who influenced them, and copy their drawings. there's a million different ways to get better.

i think a good place to start would be bargue plates though. guarenteed the artist you like did studies of bargue plates. van gogh copied all 60 three times when he was starting out. picasso has some well known copies of them. they are a good place to start. and they aren't like most art books where it's a lot of theory. They give you a short preamble on how to best study them, and then you just start drawing them.

[Anonymous No.2300885]

>>2300877
It's okay, as long as you don't trace. Try to capture what you like about the art, and apply to your own drawings.
Just have fun m8.

[Anonymous No.2300896]

tablet acting up again

here's a close, done for tonight

[Anonymous No.2300905]

Trying to paint a landscape that looks like a naked woman lying on her back. How does it look so far?

[Anonymous No.2300911]

>>2300751
i'll try to put texture in the castle walls, i agree with you
>>2300757
is tat a critique or just a development? thanks anyway

[Anonymous No.2300927]

>>2300863

I don't have a high performance GPU. gets too choppy at a higher resolution.

[Anonymous No.2300929]

>>2300601
Holy shit, I thought that the thumbnail was your reference.
That's a pretty fucking nice job

[Anonymous No.2300955]

>>2300864

Which one is by Leyendecker? I can't tell. There styles are so similar.

[Anonymous No.2300956]

>>2300955
thank fuck i didnt have water in my mouth

[Anonymous No.2300962]

>>2300927
gpu doesn't do shit, you mean cpu

[Anonymous No.2300980]

>didn't realize there was a new thread because no one linked it in the last thread
>spent literal minutes shitting out (pic related)
I want those minutes back. I could have been fapping, or at least shitposting.

[Anonymous No.2300982]

>>2300980
Yeah unfortunately the last two ops have been fags. Love those though. I love graphic designy stuff even though I'm shit at doing it myself.

[Anonymous No.2300997]

>>2300905
I'm no expert, but I think if her stomach, or mid-ground, was curved more it may look more like said idea. I think the peaks of the mountains should not be as "perky", more to slope off to the outer edge of the picture. Try to imagine her ribs as well. Generally when anyone lies on their back (given they're skinny) their stomach concave inwards giving their ribs to protrude. This would give he mid-ground a bit of interest as it really is to flat at the moment. I'd also suggest a more narrow "pond", most belly buttons are long vertical wise, much more sexy too.

[Anonymous No.2301001]

>>2300568
thanks for putting link to the new thread you fucking goddamn asshole

[Anonymous No.2301002]

i don't know what i am doing

[Anonymous No.2301003]

>>2301001
,,l,,

[Anonymous No.2301010]

>>2301003
is it that hard?

[Anonymous No.2301012]

>>2301010
ask ur mom :^)

[Anonymous No.2301013]

>>2301010
>dat double entendre

[Anonymous No.2301023]

>>2300814
>if mine looks good, and yours looks good, at some point what we are talking about is who has better taste,

Your autism is showing like always. Damn you are delusional.

[Anonymous No.2301028]

>>2301023
Just don't, this thread is going to be rocky enough with the OP we have.

[Anonymous No.2301033]

The collective bug you guys have up your ass about Firez will never cease to amuse me. They're not great, but they're not awful either. Worse work gets routinely posted alongside theirs, but you focus an autistic amount of ire towards them.

[Anonymous No.2301037]

>>2301033
It's not because of the quality of his art, it's because he posts asking for help, then when people give suggestions he takes not a single one. Then he posts another thing that has the exact same problems as the last one, asking for help again. Then once again, doesn't take any suggestions and goes as far as telling people they're just out to get him if they point out this cycle. Rinse and repeat for X number of years until everyone is sick of it. A year ago, I made some posts exactly like yours. Now I get it.

[Anonymous No.2301041]

>>2301037

I started frequenting this board a year ago and mostly all I ever see is people going "them dead eyes" or "that thousand yard stare" with little in the way of suggestions.

[Anonymous No.2301046]

>>2301041
You must not have been looking too close. He posts in other threads than the Draw Threads. He has problems aligning features because he doesn't believe in learning construction. I've seen a bunch of people post redlines or paint overs or transform tool edits of his pictures showing him where to move the eyes or nose, what have you, only for him to say something along the lines of either "that's not what I'm going for" or "it looks fine to me so thanks but no thanks". Those are the people who actually try to fix his issues on a surface level, the real flagrance comes when people try to tell him anything more. The reason you most see just those short quips is because it's been had out with him so many times already, most people know there's no point saying any more than that, in fact more wouldn't bother with even that. Like I said, I was with you. I tried giving him a thorough, thoughtful crit once, he rebuffed me all the same.

[Anonymous No.2301049]

>>2300643
nice punpun ripoff
(its shit)

[Anonymous No.2301058]

pls god let me sleep

[Anonymous No.2301062]

>go to beginner thread
>feel good about myself
>come to the draw thread
>want to give up forever

[weeui !8XVaGRdnfM No.2301074]

>>2301058
did you finally stop using textured brushes? theres a different feel to it.

[Anonymous No.2301107]

>>2301062

I lolled, but I don't agree. Read >>2300783 for example. It really hilights the age old adage that solid, analytical excercise yields concret progres. Go forth and practise hard, anon, I know I will.

[Anonymous No.2301109]

>>2301107

*concrete progress

Dunno what happened there.

[Anonymous No.2301134]

>>2301074
you blind?

[Anonymous No.2301136]

>>2300997
>I'm no expert
stopped reading there.

[weeui !8XVaGRdnfM No.2301143]

>>2301134
>implying i did't see the dry brushes

[Anonymous No.2301209]

>>2300568
Should add some blues, yellow, and reds into the skin. Would give it a better feel and add more than just one color.

[Anonymous No.2301222]

Need some warm reflective in this.

[Anonymous No.2301225]

[Anonymous No.2301226]

>>2300896
The nose should cover more the right eyes

[Anonymous No.2301228]

>>2301222
You should start using one color for the background then paint with low opacity on top. It will make a better atmosphere insteaf of too much contrast between the colors.

[Anonymous No.2301231]

>>2301228
Good point, I've never thought of it that way. I usually have and undepaint and they often have a feeling of having a uniformity in them, like there is a filter of yellow blue even thought there is a lot more color variation. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.2301242]

medival warrior bleeding from the battle.

[Anonymous No.2301243]

I draw like the french comic artists now

[Anonymous No.2301269]

>>2300864
>the painting style kinda reminds me of Leyendecker

OP doesn't have a style yet, because he still hasn't mastered the basics of form, color and contour. So, to compare OP's "style" to Leyendecker who was a master only after years of formal training, I would argue, is fallacious.

Yes, I am aware you said, "kinda reminds", but hedging doesn't excuse a faulty comparison.

[Anonymous No.2301280]

Doing color studies for the first time, just want another eye on this, see if I'm accurate.

Full disclosure: I don't color pick but I'll used the eye dropper to see the color relationships and "work from memory".

[Anonymous No.2301296]

>>2301280
Shift the hue to reds for the white vertical stripes. It is too close to greens in yours.

[Anonymous No.2301327]

>>2300499
>>2300960
Well photoshop looks like fun but it'll take me some time to get used to all the options.

For now I just made this. Painting hair is hard.

[Anonymous No.2301335]

Advice on where to go from here? still not sure if they're going to be vines or tentacles.. lmao

[Anonymous No.2301336]

>>2300835
>>2300858
here again

I retouched your painting to show you what I meant about the transitions. In hindsight I should have just called it lighting instead of "transitions". anyway, in general, light is strongest on the highlight, and all other values are significantly less than that. In physics it's called the Inverse-square law, such that the intensity of the light is equal to 1 over the distance from the source of the light squared. light, or values, since we're painting, become exponentially weaker the as they get farther away from the source. Although the highlight in a picture isn't the source, it usually follows the general pattern of being the smallest, but brightest value in the picture, with all other values decreasing with distance accordingly. I didn't illustrate the concept with any kind of precision, but I did tone down your reflected light and added a slight gradient to the entire face. hopefully this is helpful.

[Anonymous No.2301337]

>>2300824
keep it up

>>2300835
if you really want to know, it looks like she has a butt on her neck

[Anonymous No.2301339]

>>2301296
Good call

My mind is being blown right now, relative color is pretty amazing. How do you get a violet to look green? Who thought of this? When will I'll be able to spot color like this?

[Anonymous No.2301340]

>>2301335
actually think about design

[Anonymous No.2301342]

>>2301327
Figured I could throw this one in as well.

[Anonymous No.2301349]

>>2301339
You need some more contrast behind the dogs head to make the silhouette pop out.

[Anonymous No.2301367]

[Anonymous No.2301368]

>>2301342
I don't think these news anchors understand, I don't watch the news for your chest I watch it for news! If I want boobs /s/ is a click away.

>pic of dude related

[Anonymous No.2301378]

How's this looking? About 30 mins in

[Anonymous No.2301379]

>>2301368
>dude
pls be lying, my duck is so confused

[Anonymous No.2301381]

>>2301378
>>>/b/eginner_thread

[Anonymous No.2301383]

>>2301379
No thats a dude

[Anonymous No.2301388]

>>2301383
>i've never seen a man
guys don't have tits that big, i can't believe i have to explain.

[Anonymous No.2301389]

>>2301378
Try to do it over. Construct the skull/head with lines around it to get the perspective right. Then draw your face on top of that. Don't worry about the end result for now but just get a sense of shape. If the skull is done properly then it'll give you a better understanding of perspective.

Link this image I just googled.

[Anonymous No.2301391]

>>2301388
TRANS.

USE YOUR BRAIN.

THERES A PENIS DOWN THERE.

[Anonymous No.2301392]

>>2301383
What's her name, I need to know for reasons. reverse search doesnt get anything good.

[Anonymous No.2301394]

>>2301391
Is it at least feminine?

[Anonymous No.2301396]

>>2301381
Ok, i'll be there next time

>>2301389
I tried constructing the head there tbfh

[Anonymous No.2301397]

>>2301392
Go ask in a trans thread in /b/

[Anonymous No.2301399]

>>2301392
Sarina Valentina.
I shouldn't know this, what the fuck am I doing with my life?

[Anonymous No.2301404]

didn't plan any of this but I think it turned out ok

[Anonymous No.2301411]

>>2301396
>I tried constructing the head there tbfh
Maybe. But you need a lot more practice at it and a better understanding of anatomy. An example. Your eyes are far too big and just in that area there are a lot of details you are missing, like mussles and folds. Try taking a good look at them and then think about that those eyeballs are round. Right now you don't have room enough in your skull for even one of them. I mean, there are a ton of details in the image where I think you haven't given any deeper thoughts to the structure and anatomy of a head.

Not trying to piss you off but I'm not going to pad you on the head like a mom does and say it's great.

[Anonymous No.2301419]

focusing on form and measurements again.

unfortunately the model tried for the first hour to do a standing pose, and he got really lightheaded so had to change to a sitting pose. so this is about a hour and 20 of drawing.

[Anonymous No.2301435]

>>2301419
Features in the face are drifting. So foreshortening problems in the legs.

[Anonymous No.2301443]

>>2301419
Head is too big /joke
misaligned eyes /serious

[Anonymous No.2301448]

>>2301411
Thanks for critting.

>Not trying to piss you off but I'm not going to pad you on the head like a mom does and say it's great.
Yeah that's good

[Anonymous No.2301449]

Towergirl wip, I don't think I'm gonna make her a third eye, pretty unaesthetic.

>>2301225
Is this from you ? really like it. waist is a little too large and forearm a bit too thick too in my opinion, but good job.

[Anonymous No.2301452]

>>2301225
wouldn't it be better practice to draw a human head? and it wouldn't come off as 2deep4u furfag art that way.

[Anonymous No.2301454]

>>2301419
>measurements again

thry measuring the head sometime m8

[Anonymous No.2301464]

>>2301419
>focusing on form and measurements

Then were are your measurements? I see a clean, finished pen hatched illustration of a man sitting in a chair. I don't see an honest attempt at measuring and drafting a three dimensional form.

[Anonymous No.2301473]

>>2301452

I made it the way I wanted to.

>>2301449

Thanks

[Anonymous No.2301474]

>>2301392
>>2301399
>>2301388

It's alright life is full of pleasant surprises, the long journey takes you to deep dark corners.

[Anonymous No.2301476]

>>2301464
if thats important to you guys i can leave them in. i usually do them in 2h pencil then erase them afterwards just to make the page look cleaner.

i measured the width and height of the figure, put it in a rectangle, measured the head, measured how many heads tall the model was, put a plumb line down the middle of the facial features, measured the feet and hands, and then freehanded the rest of it.

the jacket on his lap changed positions a lot so i had to redraw the measurements a few times, same with his hands ( which may have come out a bit smaller than they actually are).

if you guys think i should leave the measurements on next time i will.

[Anonymous No.2301478]

>>2301335
I think vines would be nice, but some kind of alien looking things, like keep them purplish with blue leaves or something weird like that. Looks good so far anon, I really like the spotlight on the water.

[Anonymous No.2301479]

>>2301474
If you guys want to turn this into a traps that are convincing thread then the image limit would be pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.2301481]

>>2301474
sauce pls.

[Anonymous No.2301482]

>>2301479
Fuck you man, thats a girl. My boner never lies

[Anonymous No.2301485]

open mouth or closed mouth? darker or lighter shadow?

[Anonymous No.2301487]

>>2301482
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?64862-Exotic-TS-Beauty-Around-the-World/page14&p=1161950#post1161950

[Anonymous No.2301491]

>>2301485
The left expression seems totally out of place with all the happy surroundings. If you can, I would maybe have the shadow fade from the dark on the right into the lighter version of the left, like having the lighter one hit pretty close to the jaw. Looks really nice, would by on a sticker.

[Anonymous No.2301493]

>>2301368
>>2301474
>>2301479

This just turn into a sexy boi thread?

[Anonymous No.2301498]

>>2301493
No plz. If I want that there are at least 3 boards around here for that plus sites that provide much better material.

But if you can paint them...

[Anonymous No.2301504]

[Anonymous No.2301507]

>>2301504

What the fuck are you doing.

[Anonymous No.2301508]

>>2301507
im sorry man

[Anonymous No.2301514]

>>2301504

Strange is that person transgender. The skull shape is like a man and the adam apples.

[Anonymous No.2301515]

>>2301514
doesn't matter as long as my dick is hard.

[Anonymous No.2301518]

>>2301504
>>2301514
>>2301515
Literal faggots.

[Anonymous No.2301520]

>>2301479

That's a trap? No way, man
>Has science gone too far?

[sprias No.2301533]

>>2300601

looking lovely so far. be sure that you're getting what you want out of it instead of copying it inch for inch. otherwise you'll end up with something very pretty, by virtue of the source material, but ultimately ineffective in finding its way into your own work.

try to revisit it again a week later to see if you have any further observations beyond recalling what you learned along the way.

>>2300835

it looks well enough from a technical standpoint, but it feels like you're too focused on painting paint as opposed to finding the most economic way to paint what you've observed. the rendering is a slave to itself instead of serving a higher purpose, if that makes sense.

it's also entirely possible that i'm missing the point of the piece, but even a technical exercise should be in preparation for finished work.

>>2300844

see if you can simplify these a bit more by taking the time beforehand to plan out the composition of each. in the top right piece you've separated light and shadow well enough, but you've muddied the overall design by bringing too much frenetic light in to the dark. if you left only 30% of the best parts of the light that's in the shadow, the piece would be better off for it and you would have saved yourself some time to boot.

>>2301222

the piece and intention needs to read clearly before anything else can help.

>>2301335

you'll save yourself a lot of grief if you take a few hours to decide where you want to take this piece and how you're going to do it. as for now, it feels like you've set the stage near the lower middle of the piece - you can use those foreground elements to block it in better, but ultimately you'll need the point of the piece before you can start building everything to support it.

[Anonymous No.2301535]

Some sketches from the last couple of days.
Does anyone have any tips / books for linart? Mine's pretty shitty, especially with digital.

[Anonymous No.2301544]

>>2301533
>otherwise you'll end up with something very pretty, by virtue of the source material, but ultimately ineffective in finding its way into your own work

You're right. It's the biggest problem I've been struggling with. What is "my own work", etc. I figured that If I did enough of these copies eventually I would develop some kind of idea. A teacher once told me "Every band is a cover band first". This is the third Zorn painting I've copied in the past month or so, and I haven't really felt like I've got much traction in terms of new ideas, but I figured at the very least I'm copying paintings I like, and am learning about the manner in which Zorn painted just from spending so much type looking and copying. Thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.2301549]

>>2300980
Good thing, because what you have would be impossible to read in the catalog. Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.2301552]

>>2301549
>not having Image Hover/Image Hover in Catalog checked
Fag.

[Anonymous No.2301597]

How're these thumbnails going along?

[Anonymous No.2301602]

>>2301549
Here's higher res version, knock yourself out : ^)

[Anonymous No.2301605]

>>2301391
still not a dude. so what if she has a dick, i bet she can't even cum because there is no way she has any testosterone, which would make her muscular and hairy.

[Anonymous No.2301610]

>>2301605
No, "he" got boobs and surgery. Don't kid yourself, a dude is a dude is a dude

[Anonymous No.2301611]

>>2301605
>still not a dude
>so what if she has a dick
>she

[Anonymous No.2301620]

>>2301605
You would think that a trans would had transcended the worries about gender and just saw sex as sex.

[Anonymous No.2301630]

>>2301610
Gender is a social construct. Sex is not. Her gender is female

[Anonymous No.2301635]

>>2301630
Here's your (You), senpai.

[Anonymous No.2301636]

>>2301630
>Gender is a social construct.
No it's not. There may be things associated with genders that are social constructs but genders themselves are 100% a biological definition.

[Anonymous No.2301639]

>>2301630
Thank you anon. But of course people will call you a dirty SJW tumblrina if, god forbid, you dare to call her anything but a trap or a dude...

[Anonymous No.2301640]

>>2301630

Bless your heart.

[Anonymous No.2301641]

>>2301533
>be sure that you're getting what you want out of it instead of copying it inch for inch. otherwise you'll end up with something very pretty, by virtue of the source material, but ultimately ineffective in finding its way into your own work.

it should be noted that mullins recommends master studies should be FORGERIES. you shouldn't be able to see the difference between the study and the master

[Anonymous No.2301649]

[Anonymous No.2301650]

>>2301639
You must be awesome at drawing with those projection skills.

[Anonymous No.2301658]

thoughts so far/

[Anonymous No.2301661]

>>2301639
Hey dude, we all don't get to be whatever we want to be. Just deal with it, and grow up.

[Anonymous No.2301664]

any tips or crits

[Anonymous No.2301673]

>>2301658
Your shape relations got a decent enough flow and proportions which does that the image reads well despite being messy. But you lack precision. Almost as if you are letting the random shapes guide you instead of defining them from what it looks like.

Try starting working with areas as well defined silhouettes if you want to improve.


Just my thoughts.

[Anonymous No.2301690]

>>2301673
I do need to learn to clean up my drawings and be less suggestive. I do like letting shapes guide me tho, Its a fun way of constructing forms, and it's not so random in actuality.

thanks

[Anonymous No.2301703]

This is what I'm working on now. I'm still not sure how I want the guys below to react to being shot at. I've considered just having them walking by while the shooter watches, which builds some slight mystery or intrigue I guess. I dunno.

[Anonymous No.2301734]

Here's a block in thing. I need help positioning the horse and making sure the scale is right. I can increase the canvas size if needed, which I'm pretty sure I'm going to need to do anyway. I tried looking up reference but didn't see anything quite like this for a more direct comparison, so I'd really appreciate any help.

[Anonymous No.2301740]

>>2301690
some cleaning up

[Anonymous No.2301747]

study from a cropped painting

>>2301740
I'd love to see you color your stuff m8

>>2299892
Yea it does appear a bit too flat to me, I was too focused on getting the actual letter shapes correct instead of their perspective.

[Anonymous No.2301750]

>>2301703
I like it, great display of depth.
My only problem is the shooter's perspective seems a little off based on your grid lines.
I wish I could redline it to describe it better

[Anonymous No.2301758]

>>2301750
Thanks, I actually went full force without a grid, then went back and made one and fixed up (most) everything. I'm still trying to get the shooter in the right perspective/ position. I'll post a few examples.

I spent a good 5 hours looking for a good reference, and ended up having to use some online model posing tool to even get it this close...

[Anonymous No.2301766]

>>2301750
>>2301758

Here is the model I ended up using along with some pushing the shooter around a little.

[Anonymous No.2301770]

>>2301766
It seems to me like you need to rotate the entire figure more towards the camera, similar to the model you made

[Anonymous No.2301771]

>>2301770
Yeah, after looking at like this, it seems he needs to be shown from a more top down perspective than I've put him in.

[Anonymous No.2301786]

Am I on the right track here?

[Anonymous No.2301875]

Okay I tried to show some independence about it. How's this?

I swear you guys'll wait till I've half rendered this before you notice and then you'll have a bunch of changes that would've been easier at this stage.

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.2301880]

>>2300573
>>2300582
>>2301209
Thanks for the advice as always.

>>2301012
>kek

[Anonymous No.2301887]

With the rendering of the guy's hand I've come to realize I've been way too cowardly with the values in this piece. I'm rethinking my whole life

[Anonymous No.2301890]

>>2301887
>I'm rethinking my whole life
Seems extreme. Looks good though.

[Anonymous No.2301891]

I'm starting to try realistic rendering after only drawing stylistically/symbolically for years :\

Crit? There are quite a few things to improve but I don't know where to start.

[Anonymous No.2301893]

>>2300824
Check out artist Marcus Larson. He lived fast, died young and painted some mean shipwrecks.

[Anonymous No.2301895]

>>2300783
great hand however your strokes are still too cartoon-y. I think it's the hard outline. Remember to get the weight of the hand on the out lines as well, there are no hard 2D outlines iRL instead it should "wrap" around the object. Also don"t be lazy on the outlines. If you need to clean up your outlines try using a different value in the background. Other than that, you're on your way anon! looks great! Just remember at your level your studies should be finished drawings, not sketches.

[Anonymous No.2301898]

>>2301895
Did you read the post? That drawing is from years ago, it's not for critique.

[Anonymous No.2301906]

can anyone give me tips on multi-layer cel shading so that I can never mess up this bad again?
(other criticism welcome)

[Anonymous No.2301909]

>>2301906
It doesn't look like you messed up, it looks fine. My only suggestion would be that, if that dark gray is a multiply layer you used to create a shadow, don't use black or gray, use a color. What color you use will have to depend on the lighting you've set up, and you might actually change it slightly from spot to spot within the layer to make it match better with whatever color it's shading.

[Anonymous No.2301910]

>>2301909
noted for the future, thank you!

[Anonymous No.2301928]

>>2301747
ill try

[Anonymous No.2301929]

>>2301928

[Anonymous No.2301954]

>>2301690
Oh I know you can guide it by visualizing it. I used to love doing it over a short period, it was great when I started marking highlights and shadow areas too. Next step for me was to start marking out areas like in this old image I found (Only one I could find converted to jpg and maybe not the best. But it only took a few minutes to make, max). It's really fast and creative but in my own experience I hit a block when I later had to start spending so much more time being precise. It made me take some years break from drawing.

It's a good visualization skill I guess but you just save yourself a lot of time further along doing corrections and redefining shapes if you learn to be more precise from the start (Not saying not to have loose lines, just give it more thought).

I could of course be completely wrong and you might end up taking it in a direction I didn't or there are some hidden qualities I can't spot in those scribbles but hey, I at least don't think so.

[Anonymous No.2301965]

>stopped drawing around march cause of new 50-60 hr job
>bought some oils on a whim
>never painted before cause 'learn to draw before you paint' drilled so far in
>figured fuck it why not just do some no-pressure studies for kicks on my day off
>it's terrifying and confusing but so much fucking fun it makes me want to draw again

maybe that's just novelty that will wear off but I recommend everyone try it asap

[Anonymous No.2302001]

>>2301636
No you're thinking of sex. Gender is viewed as identity nowadays

[Anonymous No.2302005]

>>2301062
why? most of the drawings here are shit anyway.

[Anonymous No.2302006]

>>2302001
Is this board's title "I should spout my shitty Tumblrisms here"? No? Then get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.2302007]

>>2301965
This is pretty accurate

Oil painting does something to you

[Anonymous No.2302009]

>>2302006
It's not shitty or tumblrisms though.

[Anonymous No.2302011]

>>2302001
>Gender is viewed as identity nowadays

only by some confused faggots who wanted to take the concept of gender roles one step further.

Most people don't care about all the alternative definitions. As long as we need a male and a female to create offspring you are going to be viewed as either a man or a woman based on that.

But hey, it doesn't matter anyway. Sex is sex and all that matters is to be beautiful and attractive. Succeed at that and people will call you whatever you want them to to please you.

[Anonymous No.2302012]

>>2302011
What about infertile and intersex people in that scenario then.

Sex is sex but gender is how you identify.

[Anonymous No.2302015]

>>2302005
I bet your own drawings are shit too.

But seriously. If I make something awesome why would I want to post it here on an anonymous board? We are not here to please faggots like you but to practice.

[Anonymous No.2302017]

>>2301965
His mustache is falling off

[Anonymous No.2302018]

>>2302012
>What about infertile and intersex people

What about them? infertility is a handicap and hermaphrodites have a unique mutation. It doesn't change anything about how humans normally work.

>Sex is sex but gender is how you identify.
Just because you keep repeating it like a mantra it doesn't make it true. This isn't a matter of ideology. It's biology. Some people find an identity in a gender-role but that's different since that is a social construct for some parts.

But this is going in circles and in your reply you'll probably just repeat your mantra about sex and genders.

[Anonymous No.2302019]

>>2302018
The medical community now separates the idea of biological sex from gender. It's not a mantra it's just shifting labels and how to apply them into a situation.

And yeah I mean I'm giving you a factual statement with how the terms are being used nowadays.

[Anonymous No.2302021]

>>2301452
You sound like impressionism would destroy your world, realism isn't the truth you know. And crows head won't make it more furfag, stop limiting your space.

But about the drawing itself, looks really good until you notice waist area. There is basically none. And with that arm you could literally reach heavens.

Pic related, some ideas I'm desperately trying to avoid.

[Anonymous No.2302022]

>>2302019
>>2302018
And again to spell it out for you:

Child assigned male at birth but identifies female is male sex female gender.

Child AMAB and identifies as male is male sex male gender.

Woah hard concepts

[Anonymous No.2302023]

>>2302019
>And yeah I mean I'm giving you a factual statement with how the terms are being used nowadays.

They're not outside a selective crowd. That's the danger of the internet. It's easy to find people you agree with and shut all else out in a subculture.

[Anonymous No.2302025]

>>2302023
It's not the Internet it's the most up to date terminology used in medical community. I'm talking about psychologists/sociologists/doctors not using archaic language.

Tumblrites would get mad if you said a trans woman was male sex lol

[Anonymous No.2302026]

>>2302022
Meet Lisa. She identifies as a female but have male friends. You may not be able to notice but Lisa was actually born a male so she got a girl's penis. She got a lot of hormones which have caused her to gain some weight lately. Please respect her identity.

[Anonymous No.2302028]

>>2302026
It doesn't bother me so sure why not.

There are cis gendered folk that don't pass as their desired gender identity due to hormonal/genetic issues, doesn't invalidate it by any means. If they've jumped through the hoops to put effort into their identity then respecting it is the difference between making someone suicidal or making their day a lot better.

[Anonymous No.2302029]

>>2302028
>It doesn't bother me so sure why not.
But what some in here don't understand is that most people find it ridiculous, no matter how many books and studies some publish to support it.

[Anonymous No.2302030]

>>2302029
Most people find it ridiculous because the ones that stick out are the unpassable weird ones. It's like how people assume all gays are flaming and effeminate. It's a stereotype and if you met someone who was transgender and passing it literally makes no difference unless you're trying to date them.

People found giving women and people of color equal rights as men to be ridiculous. And gay marriage to be ridiculous as well. Mass ignorance doesn't justify it.

[Anonymous No.2302031]

>>2300837
>>2300838
>>2300858
>>2301336
>>2301337
>>2301533

Thanks so much guys, wasn't expecting this much feedback. Really good stuff there.

[Anonymous No.2302035]

>>2302030

Equal rights got nothing to do with how you are born. There are just things males can do better than females and the other way around. It's the reason sports are separated by gender.

I got no problem with people being gay or bi. Or people playing with gender roles. But then they can say that gender no longer matters for them.

[Anonymous No.2302040]

>>2302035
>>2302030
>>2302029
>>2302028

ARTWORK AND CRITIQUE, NOT GENDER AND DEBATE

[Anonymous No.2302041]

>>2302035
Sports are separated by gender not sex, you're correct. Intersex folk compete with what gender they identify as.

I know it would make literally no sense for me to be on a mens basketball team considering I've been on hormones for years and the perceived differences outside of being slightly androgenized due to partial puberty before T blockers.

gender matters for me in the sense that I'm going to be using all the things that women use in society because my identity and luckily my appearance are inline with that of a cisgender female and it would be ludicrous for me to use mens facilities/participate in men's sports etc.

[Anonymous No.2302045]

>>2302041
But wouldn't you still have an advantage if you wanted to compete professional in women's basketball? I mean sure, the day we can have people make a perfect transition then maybe I'll look at it differently.

>>2302040
alright

[Anonymous No.2302046]

>>2302045
in what way? I'm 5'8.5, 140lb and I can do roughly 2~ pushups.

Average WNBA player height is 6'0

[Anonymous No.2302047]

23 posts and one drawing. Shut the fuck up, I'll keep posting old drawings if this shit continues.

[Anonymous No.2302048]

>>2301449
just me or is the file corrupted ?

[Anonymous No.2302049]

>>2302046
I got the impression you played basketball seriously from what you wrote.

[Anonymous No.2302050]

>>2302049

[Anonymous No.2302051]

>>2302041
>using all the things
except tampons, prenatal pills, breast pumps, men that aren't fetishists, etc.

[Anonymous No.2302052]

>>2302051

[Anonymous No.2302053]

>>2302049
Nah, but I don't really want to debate about transgender people and professional sports, since the validity of their identity is what was in question.
>>2302047
hwip

[Anonymous No.2302056]

>>2302051
not all women use any of the above. what are infertile women/post hysterectomy women/lesbians etc.

Also by definition fetishes are about inherently nonsexual objects being sexualized.

also prenatal pills are just regular vitamins with slightly more iron/calcium etc..

But I mean if you think womanhood can be summed up by breast pumps then more power to you

[Anonymous No.2302057]

>>2302053

[Anonymous No.2302058]

>>2302056

[Anonymous No.2302059]

[Anonymous No.2302060]

>>2302056
Some women can't use some of those things but no woman can use none of those things. You're just a caricature, no matter what tumblr says.

[Anonymous No.2302061]

>>2302060

[Anonymous No.2302062]

>>2302060
Well that's your opinion and more power to you but society says otherwise in my day to day life :^ )

also loltranswoman can use tampons and breastpumps and prenatal vitamins.

[Anonymous No.2302064]

>>2302062

[Anonymous No.2302065]

>>2302062
Anyone can shove cotton in a hole or mimic other female behaviors. For trans "women" it's not serving any purpose, however. You just imitate and pretend the context is there when you'll never understand how it's meant to feel.

[Anonymous No.2302066]

>>2302065

[Anonymous No.2302068]

>>2302065
no actually I just act like a normal person and go about my daily life, it's more of an imitation for me to try and act like a dude because I'm not one lmao

[Anonymous No.2302069]

>>2302068

[Anonymous No.2302070]

[Anonymous No.2302071]

>>2302068
Gender is experiential and you can't experience something from the outside looking in. You're just a mentally ill special snowflake.

[Anonymous No.2302073]

>>2302071

[Anonymous No.2302074]

>>2302071
You act like everyone expresses gender in the same manner.

also I was raised by women and grew up with mostly female friends, my neutral state is feminine its not really an imitation.

[Anonymous No.2302075]

>>2302074

[Anonymous No.2302076]

>>2301630
Degenerates like you belong on a cross.

[Anonymous No.2302077]

>>2302049
I blocked out some anime art for your bird then. WIP of course. Might stay wip

[Anonymous No.2302078]

ew

[Anonymous No.2302079]

>>2302076

[Anonymous No.2302080]

>>2302074
The confirmation bias here is strong. Obviously you can't objectively judge whether or not you're imitating. A person's environment can't magically make them something they're not, no matter how much they want it, either.

[Anonymous No.2302081]

>>2302080
your opinion is that I'm not. My opinion is that I am. are you done yet.

[Anonymous No.2302082]

>>2302080
still flippin' birds.

[Anonymous No.2302083]

>>2302081

[Anonymous No.2302086]

lmao at faggot not being able to handle dissenting opinions and spamming birds

[Anonymous No.2302088]

>>2302081
Yeah, I'll stop triggering you, mr. socially acceptable otherkin. We've got enough trannies on suicide watch.

[Anonymous No.2302089]

>>2302088
I'm sorry you're having a bad day, I love taking my frustrations out on others

[Anonymous No.2302090]

>>2302088
checked

[Anonymous No.2302091]

>>2302086
dissenting opinions are not related to draw thread. Let me walk you out.

[Anonymous No.2302093]

>>2302089
I've had a great day. Keep projecting, though. Very ladylike.

[Anonymous No.2302095]

>>2302091
Birds you probably didn't draw and "gender is a social construct" isn't either senpai. You know where the door is.

[Anonymous No.2302096]

>>2302093
love finishing my day off with productive bashing over 4chan!

[Anonymous No.2302098]

>>2302095
I got more birds than you have opinions. I'll keep it open for you.

[Anonymous No.2302103]

>>2302098
I hope someday you grow up and realise that being a deviant isn't a good way to be.

[Anonymous No.2302104]

>>2302096
Nobody is obligated you coddle you or indulge your fantasies.

[Anonymous No.2302106]

>>2302104
sleep well

[Anonymous No.2302108]

>>2302103
So much nonsense and no drawings.

[Anonymous No.2302109]

>>2302108
Being a shitty facsimile of a woman will never make you a woman. Sundresses and self-mutilation will never make a mother. No tranny will ever be a vessel for life.

[Anonymous No.2302110]

>>2302108
Interesting, I've been just posting drawings.

[Anonymous No.2302112]

I meant this >>2302109

[Anonymous No.2302116]

>>2302110
Your choices when posting reveals where your opinions lie. If you gave a shit about the thread you would have been birdposting at the traps long before the thread took the turn it did.

[Anonymous No.2302117]

>>2302116
Truth is that I'm running low on my birds, now I'm just trying to find anything bird related from my scans. But well done, no drawing but almost critique.

I'm actually glad that this hits the limit soon, let's clear the table.

[Anonymous No.2302118]

>>2302116
You have been arguing with more than one person, just saying. >>2302049
was my last comment to the derail

[Anonymous No.2302120]

>>2302117
Whatever, I think trannies and leftists are mentally ill and sit on entirely different premises anyway. by my own standard you could insult me for arguing against those I know won't take much from it.
Thread was doomed to shitposting from the start when Firez started it and people began posting traps honestly.

[Anonymous No.2302122]

>>2302120
I haven't said a word about anything else than: you still didn't post a drawing.

[Anonymous No.2302123]

>>2302078
I like it! You post your stuff somewhere?

[Anonymous No.2302125]

How should I color the background?

Also why is traditional so dead on /ic/? You guys are happy with files and lifeless prints?

[Anonymous No.2302127]

>>2302125

Heres the piece I just finished. Would love some constructive shaming

[weeui !8XVaGRdnfM No.2302134]

>>2302127
from the thumbnail, that piece of hair swaying infront of her face makes it seem like she has a mustache

[Anonymous No.2302135]

>>2302127
I kinda like this, but it looks just too soft. It lacks strong lines. And those separate hairs sticking out, just weird and unnatural. It's like Bob Ross on portraits. Also that shadow on forehead makes her scalp look like seam.

Background is kinda okay, but not that it's twisting around with the shape of head. Don't do that.

[Anonymous No.2302140]

>>2302123
thanks! no

[Anonymous No.2302175]

This is pretty much what I expected from a thread started the way this one was. I'm glad it's almost at bump limit. Someone get ready to make a new one before either of those two who shall go unnamed do, there's hope for a better thread.

[Anonymous No.2302182]

I'm almost finished this. I'm curious about what you guys think about the water along the shore there, it's bothering me but I'm not sure why. Are the highlights on her hair too much? Any suggestions for the background, I'd like to keep it simple but right now my brain is fried and I need to go to bed I don't want to think about it.

Any other advice?

[Anonymous No.2302185]

>>2302182
the girl is nice, the rest is meh imo

[Anonymous No.2302186]

>>2302140
Oh. You should...

[Anonymous No.2302187]

>>2302182
Cool it's coming along nicely. You did a better job handling the lantern thing than I expected--the metal reads really well.

The water does look bad. I actually really liked it in an earlier stage. Can you revert to that then just clean it up a little? The current one has wobbly ugly shapes that don't really describe water well. Also I feel in reality the rocks would go right into the water and there wouldn't be sand, no? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Steller_sea_lions_marine_mammals_on_rocky_beach.jpg

Highlights on the hair don't really bother me, though logically I would guess they wouldn't be that strong with such ambient light and a dark scene like that, even if the hair is wet.

I don't like how the animal skin is draped over her. Grab a small towel and get in her position, imagine you are freezing. You will probably pull it up and over your shoulders more and make sure to cover your torso better. You wouldn't leave yourself so naked and cold and exposed with extra cloth draped uselessly onto the ground.

[Anonymous No.2302201]

>>2302185
Why's it meh? Anything I could change/fix? or is it just the subject matter?

[Anonymous No.2302203]

>>2302182
i think you should reduce the detail on rocks and ground as it goes to distance, otherwise very nice

[Anonymous No.2302204]

>>2302182
Her knees are off in perspective

[Anonymous No.2302206]

[Anonymous No.2302260]

bloody scuppered 4 seats

[Anonymous No.2302275]

quick chicken scratchy warm up

[Anonymous No.2302278]

>>2302182
not a fan of the way you bent her arm, looks off.

[Anonymous No.2302281]

>>2301880
hey its me again, the guy who tells you who he is every post. HER right eye is STILL looking in the distance, the diamond isnt centered to my likings

[Anonymous No.2302284]

>>2301880
Firez, how long do you think it'll take you to understand how to place the pupil to give the impression of the eye focusing on something?

[Anonymous No.2302309]

>>2302182
man this SCREAMS six more vodka, i love it.

[Anonymous No.2302329]

There's probably no point since I was ignored twice and we're already at limit, but I'll chalk it up to the social debate drowning it out and bump >>2301875 for feedback one more time.

[Anonymous No.2302366]

>>2302182

Her furthest leg is bulging unnaturally at the shin.

It should be concave not convex from knee to ankle.

Also your lamp is at the wrong angle. It's way too tilted towards to camera.

It would be cool to see more breath mist in the air as it seems to be cold and humid there, there would be clouds of it.

I'm a fan of your work though.

[Anonymous No.2302376]

This thread seems kind of dried up so even though it's a bit early, new thread:
>>2302371
>>2302371
>>2302371
I know I said I wouldn't volunteer someone else's work for OP again but I doubt anybody will be mad at that one.

[Anonymous No.2302409]

Trying a blockin and color study.

>>2302081
It's a sad thing for you that nature has the final word and doesn't give a fuck about you opinion then, because it doesn't matter how many people play make believe with you, your sex will really never change and gender identity is just bullshit...

[Anonymous No.2302430]

>>2302309
Funny story, I actually applied to move over there when they were looking for a senior and junior artist. The next day I got a long email from Marko Djurdjevic telling me he's familiar with my art and, simply put, I wouldn't enjoy the job. He said I should just keep doing what I'm doing.

I want to move to Berlin though ;_;

[Anonymous No.2302453]

>>2301664
XEROX
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[Anonymous No.2302457]

>>2302182
A bit more anatomy and you are golden, finish the painting and go learn some - get really good at it.

[Anonymous No.2302471]

>>2302409
>I decide the validity of other peoples personal identification
ok buddy

[Anonymous No.2302478]

>>2301703
How did you do the perspective lines in this? They're so clean and even.

I like the pic, great angle, great lighting. I think the perspective on the shooter is fine.

[Anonymous No.2302498]

>>2302471
I don't need to. Nature decides

[Anonymous No.2302506]

>>2302498
Nature decides your biology, that's sex. Nature does not decide how we identify with our biology, that's gender. I am not arguing with you about that, that is just what those words mean today. Why cant you just accept people instead of denying their identity?

[Anonymous No.2302524]

What the fuck is even going on in this thread

[Anonymous No.2302574]

>>2302524
Someone posted a tranny and /pol/ decided their opinion about trannies mattered. The rest history.

[Anonymous No.2302582]

>>2302275
Your worst mistake is the tiny ear.

Practice hatching around the forms. Right now its a big mess.

[Anonymous No.2302592]

>>2302574
Some tranny decided their opinion on anything relating to nature and not being mentally ill mattered, and decided to argue with /pol/. B^)

[Anonymous No.2302614]

>>2302506
If your father decides tomorrow he is a cat, will you treat him like a cat?

[Anonymous No.2302675]

>>2302614
I hate this argument. Humans cannot be cats. Humans can be male or female. It's a complete nonstarter via false equivalence.

[Anonymous No.2302686]

>>2302675
If a tree that can not bear fruit asks you to pretend it is one that can, do you do so?

[Anonymous No.2302715]

>>2302675
>Why cant you just accept people instead of denying their identity?

Humans can be born male or female, they can't change what they are in the course of their life. If we can ignore our real sex nature has given us, and make believe we are something else, why can't we ignore our race? Why can't your father say "Nature decides your biology, that's race. Nature dos not decide how we identify with our biology, that's 'racechoice' meow"?
What are you? An otherkinphobe?

pic related: your father

[Anonymous No.2302806]

>>2302430
That's really cool/interesting. Did he expand on why you wouldn't enjoy the job or do you have an idea yourself?

[Anonymous No.2302891]

>>2302806

Aaah! i was going to quote the email, but I guess it got deleted.

Basically he said the reason I wouldn't like it is because the kind of art they do is very saturated, high octane, bombastic and less, I guess, subtle. I'm interested in telling stories, they are not. And he thought I just wouldn't be satisfied with my work there.

[Anonymous No.2302916]

>>2302715
because concepts of male and female identity are internally created by humans. The separation between what a man and a woman should look and act like are created by humans. The separation between my dad and a cat are not created by humans.

[Anonymous No.2302921]

>>2302916
>created by humans
Over thousands of years of human evolution lmao
Fuck dose cavemen nigga they neva had no tumblahs
The fact is that women should bear life, and men should be leaders and protectors, and this is reflected by their bodies.

[Anonymous No.2302926]

>>2302921
how long it took for our concepts of gender to reach where they are now does not change the fact they are manmade.

[Anonymous No.2302930]

Fuck Identity politics this is a fucking art board

[Anonymous No.2302932]

>>2302926
Nothing you can say will ever refute that women bear children and men protect said women and children. No tranny ever acts feminine beyond the superficial, is ever nurturing or has the instincts that women have. They do not know what it is to be woman, or they do not know what it is to be man, beyond the superficial.

[Anonymous No.2302935]

>>2302930
this guys right
>>2302932
you're blind if you think that bearing children is the most defining factor of womanhood.

[Anonymous No.2302941]

>>2302935
Beyond being fickle and innefectual as leaders, and being developed physically specifically to rear and bear children, but noo, there are other defining characteristics, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.2302952]

>>2302916
Now we are getting somewhere, you really believe men and women are the same, and nurture is what makes us act differently.

You might want to look into John Money, the psychologist who came up with this horseshit, and his experiment on David Reimer.
At the time he claimed to have successfully raised this little boy who had his penis cut off as a baby as a girl, and published a book about his success.

Of course, "progressive" people like you ate it up.
Years later he confessed that puting a dress on the kid and giving him dolls to play didn't make him turn up a girl, and surely the experiment was a failure.
The boy despite being raised as a girl until late in his adolescence, started dressing as a man, as soon as he grew up and started living for himself, and he acted like a man. This is, until he shot himself from all the abuse he suffered from this experiment.

And somehow people like you ignored this confession, and even today, as we know it was bullshit, and as there are brain studies proving male and female brain behave differently, people like you still prefer to believe on what is convenient to you, and not the truth.

[Anonymous No.2302975]

>>2302952
I dont believe to understand what makes people think like what, and obviously if you force an identity on children theyre gonna end up fucked up.

But I do believe that if someone feels more connection to a gender not connected to their sex than they should be able to act on those feelings.
Whats wrong with just trying to be understanding and supportive of other people even if you dont understand them

[Anonymous No.2302980]

>>2300791
I making someone hotter really an improvement?

[Anonymous No.2303009]

>>2302975
Anon, you can't have both. We can either be the same as a baby and we be taught to be like what society determined it's a man and a woman, or we grow up to be a man and a woman despite of how we were raised.
If the concept of male and female were created by humans, then raising a male kid as female from birth should make him act like a girl, and it isn't the case. Our brains are different, our bodies are different, our functions and interests are different from birth to death.

I understand there are some people don't identify as their sex, sure. Gender dysphoria is a thing. But, as I believe I have said before, gender dysphoria is a mental disorder like any other, and the treatment isn't to play pretend and create these lies about how you can be the "gender" you want to be. That is nonsense. We don't tell schizophrenic people the voices in their heads are real, we shouldn't tell a man with gender dysphoria really is a woman and force everyone else to play along. We help them overcome this condition as we do with any other condition.

[Anonymous No.2303164]

>>2302182
i like it nice work, if you want everything to look realistic what is ofcourse a choise you make in the end. you need to adjust her knees and her arms, i think the torso is 2 long, her stomach isn't dark enough. the fisher is to far into the distance for how tiny the rocks are aka he's a giant, some minor details like the water neer her knee being matt and some shadows being a bit off wich you are brobly gonna refine anyway in the finished product

[Anonymous No.2303178]

>>2302182
hope thillhelpfaggot

[Anonymous No.2303183]

>>2302182
why is mr skeltan so scry

[Anonymous No.2303199]

>>2302182
maybe i'm straining from the essence

[Anonymous No.2303205]

>>2302182
2 abstract\/

[yes No.2303212]

>>2302182
this desrvs a nm

[Anonymous No.2303376]

>>2303009
Our brains are different on a individual human being level. Are you saying that since I cannot force a child that is not trans to be trans, that it disregards all other trans people completely? I legitimately do not the understand the logic in your first point.

Schizophrenia and gender dysphoria are pretty much opposites in some ways. Schizophrenia is making connections in the brain and reality that do not actually exist, while gender dysphoria is a lack of a connection between the brain and reality. Obviously in the case of schizophrenia, one would try and severe this potentially dangerous connection. But I do not see why it does not make sense to align the brain and the body in the case of gender dysphoria.

The attributes we as a collective modern society attribute to gender are complete have actually very little to do with biology when you look at the bigger picture. Why do you give a shit if someone feels better associating with the attributes not tied to the biology they were born with, when their biology has so little to do with it anyways? If someone born with a dick feels better dressing like all the people not born with a dick, then let them.

[Anonymous No.2303387]

>>2300867
I that plate really like that ?

[Anonymous No.2303514]

>>2301786
right track, wrong place.

Beginner thread, sir.

[Anonymous No.2303610]

>>2303178
>>2303183
>>2303199
>>2303205
>>2303212
Are you drunk, anon?

[Anonymous No.2303726]

I can't believe people are arguing about concepts as complex as sexual identity before we've even tapped into the finer nuances of childhood indoctrination. These are personal choices here and you're perfectly free to be a man who pretends he's a woman. You can't expect people to accept you for that, and you're incredibly naive to believe that you'll ever find acceptance, but honestly, that's not what makes me angry. You know what grinds my gears? I never got to choose whether or not I wanted to be a citizen of the United States. I just got sucked into it, and now I have to live with it. It really sucks.

>pic related. Some art of mine. Feel free to eat me alive.

[Anonymous No.2303733]

>>2303726
Who gives a fuck, dude? we've got 3 pages to go and a second functional drawthread that isn't full of shitposting.
daily sex change regret reminder
'I have always longed to be a woman, but no amount of surgery can give me an actual female body and I feel like I am living a lie.'
'It is exhausting putting on make-up and wearing heels all the time. Even then I don't feel I look like a proper woman.
'I suffered from depression and anxiety as a result of the hormones too.
'I have realised it would be easier to stop fighting the way I look naturally and accept that I was born a man physically.'

[Anonymous No.2304117]

Is this shit?

[Anonymous No.2304333]

>>2302122
Whatever all these are, I enjoy looking at them immensely