Beginner Thread

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Beginner Thread None !NANNANNANA Thu Oct 29 19:05:19 2015 No.2266313 [Reply] [Original]

Beginner Thread

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

Do not forget to resize and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.

Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," consult the sticky: >>1579290

Questions go in the QUESTION THREAD
This is for posting studys & getting critique.

Threadly reminder to avoid carpal tunnel:
http://www.healthline.com/health/carpal-tunnel-wrist-exercises

>Thread study: Let's do some fish drapery this time!

Old thread: >>2261633

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:08:48 2015 No.2266319 Also, Id highly recomend you reverse searchig the fish to check out the rest of the series. There are quite a few amazing pictures. (I juts picked one for the OP that I though would be best for the study)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:18:24 2015 No.2266334 And I thought the goat was hard to paint

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:27:12 2015 No.2266350

>>2266334
this is actually quite a bit easier since it doesent require you to be as precise with the proportions in order to make it look decent

just focus on the overall shapes and dont get overwhelmed by the amount of detail in the fins (but eveb then, the detail is mostly lines)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:32:11 2015 No.2266360 File: 268 KB, 1000x750, splash3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] any thought on what i'm currently working on ic ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:33:42 2015 No.2266363 >>2266360 The figure seems a bit awkward

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:34:36 2015 No.2266368 File: 20 KB, 482x487, perfect_lemon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] About 300 more of these bad boys and I'll be so powerful no one can stop me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:44:24 2015 No.2266383 >>2266363 how to draw cute face ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:56:49 2015 No.2266403 >>2266360 doing good mate but it looks kind of flat, the girl's movement is lacking a bit of sense and perspective but youre getting there, keep the good work

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:11:32 2015 No.2266423 File: 166 KB, 1000x488, some values a bit smaller.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] value study for today, also hoping the thumb will help show clearer where values aren't the same.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:42:44 2015 No.2266492 File: 699 KB, 1800x1500, head construc pract 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] more practice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:43:05 2015 No.2266493 >>2266368 Hands free? Man, I am your fan. >envy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:43:27 2015 No.2266495 File: 142 KB, 602x720, ae36b6df748d2fec61d398e738d0b238.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey there's a salt fest in the animu style thread so can someone help me with the anatomy on this? Mainly the right side is causing me trouble.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:46:20 2015 No.2266498 >>2266495 Use a ref.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:59:14 2015 No.2266539 >>2266423 Yours is darker/lacks highlights

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:03:27 2015 No.2266556
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>>2266368
Beginner here, but my 2 cents. Dont get obsessive over it, I remember when learning about the loomis heads for the first time, I promised myself that I would do 100 of them. All it will do is just stagnate your progress.

Try looking up animals and random objects, and building them with construction, cubes are the most important form imo, but you can use spheres, cones, (What peter han says) and make sure to use cross contours to understand the surface. This will help you understand the point of form a lot more than just grinding a bunch of random shapes. And make sure to draw a new thing every time, its a skill to be able to look at any object, and come up with perfect construction. I recommend starting with something simple like books, then chairs, then fruit, then cars, then animals, etc. Also, everything has gesture in it, not just the figure. If gestures only applied to figures, it wouldn't be that fundamental, would it? And then, once when you understand construction, then move onto figure drawing books.

Oh, and make sure to practice drawing from imagination a lot. The whole point of construction is so you can use it UNDERSTAND reference, not directly copy or trace it. Not memorize it perse, but just develop the skill to look at reference while drawing, and being able to construct it.

I like giving random rants once in a while.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:17:55 2015 No.2266591 >>2266556 damn anon, did you draw that? Looks good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:19:43 2015 No.2266596 >>2266493 Some stabilizer was used...

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:26:24 2015 No.2266607
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>>2266591
no, im just some useless fuck whoes more interested in learning how to draw, than actually drawing myself. Actually, the example does not match with what im saying because it does not show off cross contours, just the constructing.

Heres something crude I did in 5 mins. I constructed this with cubes just by looking at a picture of a tiger, then I sculpted the form using cross contours.

Im trying to learn how to draw the figure myself, and im still far from finding a suitable way yet. Im really bad at including perspective.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:31:56 2015 No.2266622
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>>2266607
Looks like some shit I did for peter han's class. He basically more or less taught the same thing. Sucks, cause I'm ass and the only advice he kept giving me was to draw more. Granted, he was informative, just thought he'd go in more detail as to why I suck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:33:19 2015 No.2266627 >>2266607 do gestual first anon, look up gesture drawing

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:43:42 2015 No.2266645
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>>2266622
yep, Ive only actually seen his lone control class. I just believe the only things you need in drawing are gesture, perspective, cubes, spheres, cylinders, and cross contours, and just with these tools, you can build everything you can imagine.

I also really like burne hogarth because even though everyone critiques his anatomy, its trully amazing how he could come up with such a unique constructing system just with years of practice, same with George Bridgman. Although, people say hogarth stole his head from loomis, and I wouldn't deny it, but still.

Which is why, I think style should come from how people perceive their reference. When I look at a bicep, you and I can come up with two different ways to construct the muscle, even though we are looking at the same thing. And I think that makes the process of drawing more entertaining, and individual, while still maintaining craftsmanship, instead of just copying every book word for word.

>>2266627
I did, but I can see that it did not work.

As you can see, I love talking about the process of drawing rather drawing itself.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:42:20 2015 No.2266787
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Fuck. I really need some guidance /ic/. I don't know how to correct the lighting, and I feel like the poses are all awkward and awful. What are the most glaring things I should fix?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:53:09 2015 No.2266962 >>2266787 James gurney bro get the fucking book already

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 01:05:57 2015 No.2267123 >>2266962 Alright, thanks anon. I also have the Scott Robertson book on rendering, is that worth going through as well, or is color and light just the defacto book for learning how to render?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 02:45:09 2015 No.2267213 >>2266787 thumbnail looks pretty good, you just need to work in everything else

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 03:10:10 2015 No.2267236
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I don't know what I'm doing. I had the head looking nice for a while but I think I went too far with the small strokes, and then trying to paint over that to fix it. I started painting towards the neck and now I'm just frustrated and I've completely lost focus. I understand what I'm supposed to be doing, but I just can't make it work. I think I went too bright with the lighter areas, and it looks all flat and shitty. If anybody has any advice on how to do this properly I'll give it a shot, but otherwise I think this is as far as I'm getting with this thing. This is my third try and it's the worst so far. I don't know what the intermediate is supposed to be between painting fucking basic shapes and furry fucking goats and shit. It's too much.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 03:24:05 2015 No.2267243 File: 20 KB, 550x445, perfect_lemon2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 299 to go.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 03:53:42 2015 No.2267259 >>2267243 Why do this, exactly?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 04:22:33 2015 No.2267267 >>2267259 So I can be an expert draftsman and draw anything I want from imagination using clean solid construction.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 04:52:46 2015 No.2267282 >>2266492 that's not how you study anatonomy

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 04:57:22 2015 No.2267285 >>2267243 which book teaches this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 05:03:58 2015 No.2267287 >>2266492 I like your egg-based anatomy on the top right. where did you get that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 07:07:52 2015 No.2267369 >>2267287 i just kinda doodled along to sycra

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 07:43:24 2015 No.2267388 >>2266492 By any chance, have you tried drawing things from life? Such as drawing a box or a flower pot, giving it value and so forth?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 07:48:31 2015 No.2267390 >>2267388 rarely. i drew a lamp once. there isn't life drawing classes where i live because 90% of the population are filthy chavs.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 07:52:09 2015 No.2267392

>>2267390
You should try drawing from life. I only suggests this simply because you're still drawing very strong symbols. Understanding value and trying to figure out the depths of it will help you destroy those habits. Drawing simplistic is very difficult, and in order to understand simplistic, you must know the rules to break them.

Give it a shot again. Draw your lamp and post results. Then, go on from there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 07:55:10 2015 No.2267393 >>2267392 i cant right now, and i dont even own a lamp anymore.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 07:56:54 2015 No.2267394

>>2267393

Not the same anon but I paint from life all the time. All you need is anything in front of you as subject matter.

Theres no excuse not to be able to draw from life. Literally anything can be your subject matter as long as its in front of you. Try something like a cup.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 07:58:36 2015 No.2267396 >>2267394 k, i dont know if it matters or not, but im aiming for a cartoonish style.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:00:05 2015 No.2267397 >>2267396 You need to understand life before drawing cartoon style. Right now you're drawing symbols. Symbols do not get you cartoon style.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:01:08 2015 No.2267398 File: 44 KB, 715x536, 1445240821155.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2267397 >You need to understand life

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:01:46 2015 No.2267400 >>2267393 >making excuses Well, alright then. Continue drawing symbols, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:06:16 2015 No.2267405 >>2267400 >symbols fuck i should know what that means but i cant remember

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:11:53 2015 No.2267409 >>2267405 it means your drawing what you think the eye looks like not what it actually looks like ,right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:12:30 2015 No.2267410 File: 601 KB, 979x734, 20151030_130421.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2266313 I always fuck up the colours in the beginning. Thanks for the studies, i've been really enjoying them. Crits are welcomed

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:15:00 2015 No.2267412

>>2267409
Yes.
Simply put, your mind believes certain parts of the body look like X and Y, but in reality they look nothing as to what you believe they are. Once you understand how to simplify the body, then you can remove symbol drawing.

>>2266556
>>2266607

>>2267393
Here's a good life drawing exercise. As silly as it looks, try to draw something like this >>2267398
, making it realistic and giving it value

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:18:44 2015 No.2267413 >>2267412 would a good way to practice simplifying the body be say draw a realistic nose, then break it down? also ill do the ant

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:22:19 2015 No.2267415
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>>2267413
Yes. Proko goes over each feature of the face. You can copy off him. He even gives a study before each demo to understand the anatomy before said feature. You need to understand anatomy fully in order to draw cartoonish. If you can't draw realistic, don't even bother tackling the cartoonish subject.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:29:51 2015 No.2267418 >>2267415 right thats easy enough then.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:34:33 2015 No.2267420
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>>2267418
Your realistic figures are going to look like complete shit, but don't worry. As simple as cartoonish looks, realistic drawings are a much easier subject to tackle. However, without understanding of construction, value, gestures, and anatomy, you won't be able to draw cartoonish.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:38:58 2015 No.2267424 >>2267420 >your realistic figures are going to look like complete shit k,realism is always a hard subject to tackle. as long as im able to get it to a passable degree i should be okay, not like im going for photorealsitic portraiture

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:45:05 2015 No.2267427 File: 173 KB, 500x676, henry_yan_work.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2267424 You're aiming for Understanding and Execution. Don't worry about perfection.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:49:01 2015 No.2267429 >>2267420 >bird poop everywhere

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 08:52:37 2015 No.2267432 >>2267427 i like you.you haven't called me a cunt or a pleb yet.[spoiler]yet

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 09:42:34 2015 No.2267469 >>2267410 im digging this! the head is tilted wrong but the thumbnail looks pretty damn solid - you heva good values going on there

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 09:44:50 2015 No.2267471 >>2267415 >>2267420 do I know you? the bird looks oddly familiar

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 09:49:19 2015 No.2267475 File: 72 KB, 606x380, shapes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I get the feeling I have a slightly better understanding of shapes and their volumes. Any help would be welcome. Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 10:03:26 2015 No.2267486 >>2267415 >>2267420 >Mucknagabe I like your taste anon, do you have a skype by any chance?

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 10:06:03 2015 No.2267487

>>2267410
>>2267469
The end of the head is actually doing a subtle curve; you made it completely straight.

It's not the tilt itself, it's the curvature. If the ref did not curve like it does, it'd end up exactly like it does in this.

Im not sure if this is poor observation or some minor symbol drawing, I'd be inclined to say the latter because you can see the same exact kind of inconsistency on the tail.

Other than this, I'd have to say that the messy scales are a little ugly. They are very organized and defined on the ref.
As for shading, you did not highlight "strands", or bigger portions, of the fins. Much like hair or drapery, things end up being grouped a little, as they make curves that are wider than the individual texture lines. The darkened parts have better observation, it's the lighter parts that are incoherent. I think you can fix this by having a more careful base/block-in, then do the texture after.

May I ask how long it took?

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 10:18:15 2015 No.2267498

>>2267487
Thanks a lot for the advice, looking back at the drawing i realized a lot of what you just said, its sometimes very frustating working with non erasable media like ink and markers, it just get messier and messier.
I cant really spot the head tilt, i can see that theres something wrong with it but i cant really pinpoint it, i might give it another shot later.

Took me somewhere around 30-45 mins

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 10:22:44 2015 No.2267504 Is there a website like Quickposes except that it sorts the poses by the type of pose? I'm primarily just looking for poses without any foreshortening.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 10:47:12 2015 No.2267531 >>2267475 Maybe push your variations. For now it seems you are just doing different iterations of the same general shape.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 10:47:15 2015 No.2267532 File: 111 KB, 1001x789, exercises- fish.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here fishy fishy

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 10:50:48 2015 No.2267533 File: 39 KB, 540x960, pen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't like pen. Still need to spam line exercises to get those clean, intentional lines.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 10:59:55 2015 No.2267539 >>2267533 Pen don't like you either.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 11:06:58 2015 No.2267543 >>2267532 I bet you're the same guy who did the goat. Your strokes are so blurry, what is happening in that canvas anon.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 12:01:14 2015 No.2267588 [DELETED]

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2nd and final goat attempts. 2nd attempt I made the same perspective mistake as the first and I was all "god damnit!" Final attempt a closer resemblence to the ref, I hope anyway...it was tough. Also got
a few HB pencils and some blending stumps and was really impressed with the difference it made. Will def be using these regularly, I can't wait to get more skilled with them.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 12:14:23 2015 No.2267613
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2nd and final goat attempts. 2nd attempt I made the same perspective mistake as the first. Final attempt has a closer resemblence to the ref, I hope anyway...it was tough. Also got a few HB pencils and some blending stumps and was really impressed with the difference it made. Will def be using these regularly, I can't wait to get more skilled with them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 12:15:05 2015 No.2267614 File: 120 KB, 600x800, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2267613 Closer look at final goat attempt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 12:16:24 2015 No.2267616 File: 193 KB, 1885x1060, 2015-10-30 12.15.04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Practicing perspective with Japanese castles

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 12:31:44 2015 No.2267641

>>2267543
Hehe fair enough - not the goat guy, but ran out of time today and just rush brushed. Will definitely allocate more time for the next study

>>2267616
Thats actually neat topic idea, get to practice lot of beginner concepts in one drawing. Not seeing any perspective lines on your drawings, think its good for practice to add horison/axis lines, vanishing points, etc. when focusing on perspective, will prevent lopsided castles

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 12:36:17 2015 No.2267647 >>2267614 is the skeptical goat a meme or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 12:46:47 2015 No.2267659 >>2267647 No, I just failed to get it to look right. :( The wool, also.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 13:10:17 2015 No.2267681 >>2267641 Thanks for the feedback! I actually do have some vanishing points on the upper left one but they're too small to see..I tried to do the other ones by kind of eyeballing the perspective but yeah, maybe it's too early for me for that

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 13:57:39 2015 No.2267736 >>2267498 dammit people who have been drawing professionally for 1 year isnt qualified as a beginner go to the study thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 14:21:16 2015 No.2267774 File: 25 KB, 563x514, perfect_lemon3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This one came out crappy. But hey, I'll be doing so many of them it won't matter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 15:33:43 2015 No.2267879 File: 533 KB, 844x735, 20151030_202646.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2267410 Gave it another shot >>2267736 what do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 15:45:11 2015 No.2267891 File: 133 KB, 800x803, fish-5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2267879 should have tried another one from the set, instead of redoing the same one

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 15:48:59 2015 No.2267895 >>2267891 thats ok, i learned a lot redoing it

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 15:57:03 2015 No.2267908 File: 264 KB, 1315x1209, fish-10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2267895 alroghty then

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 16:35:24 2015 No.2267967 >>2267774 how many you got left? you should make a thread and post every single one. I'd scroll that.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 18:34:04 2015 No.2268113
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it is always so flat. is it a grind at this point or what? im working through keys to drawing. stuck at finding a model for the next thing so im frawing from life. i may just do what i can then go through perspective made easy. in short. what helps make shit look 3D

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 18:42:55 2015 No.2268123 >>2268113 okay, a. you might wanna up the contrast. b. is the cup you're drawing supposed to be the cup on the table? or just a generic cup? either way your ovals need to be more oval

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 18:44:48 2015 No.2268125 >>2268123 >ovals its called elipses between the pros

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 18:45:37 2015 No.2268126 >>2268125 well there's a reason i'm in the beginner's thread isn't there?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 18:47:01 2015 No.2268127 >>2267774 Where did you get the idea for that from?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 19:26:51 2015 No.2268172 File: 150 KB, 1280x1024, Snapshot_20151030.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] eh I got bored and draw my foot in pen. am I doing alright?

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 19:58:29 2015 No.2268217

>>2268113
Push those lines, it's muddy as fuck

Why is the cup's cast shadow so long? Do you have a lantern right in front of it?

Also the cup is completely different than what you drew. You could use the circles pattern to help define the form.

Also, if you have the cup near you, the base will look more like a circle, whereas the top will look more stretched, because of vanishing points.

It looks like you've made the base and the top in your drawing exactly the same way. That is contributing to the discrepancy.

And then you're missing all the glass distortion/reflection. You made a shitty little approximation and didn't even sharpen your pencil, plus you're going soft as fuck.

Of course it'll look flat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:09:19 2015 No.2268222 File: 63 KB, 633x758, 5507890.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >training more than ever in my life >yet my art is regressing like in those cringe thread images What the fuck is going on heeelp meeee aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:09:59 2015 No.2268223 >>2268222 keep trying

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:18:32 2015 No.2268231 >>2268217 thanks. will keep working at it. sticking to making basic shit look real.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:46:23 2015 No.2268254 >>2268222 post your art

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:48:57 2015 No.2268256 >>2267486 >Mucknagabe The artists, or are you talking about a style? Those images aren't by Mucknagabe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:50:27 2015 No.2268259 >>2267967 298 >>2268127 This one person who use to give good advice around here a long time ago but then suddenly disappeared.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:50:39 2015 No.2268260 >>2268256 no they arent, but the insiration is quite obvious

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:52:08 2015 No.2268263
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sup, I draw sometimes just for fun (you can see by the quality), and made this as a fanart to a local podcast. I know it's bad, I've got only a logitech mouse and never train tbh. The final version has some text, but sincec it's not important,, I'll just post the "raw".

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:53:54 2015 No.2268268 >>2268222 your critical eye is improving faster than your technical ability, that's why you're noticing more errors in your work, keep practicing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 20:55:06 2015 No.2268271 >>2268260 >bird fetish If only more artists had the urge...

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 21:00:46 2015 No.2268277 >>2268263 This will make a good reaction image.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 21:06:49 2015 No.2268278 File: 55 KB, 590x350, ads_srk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2268277 It's what I was pursuing. It's a humour podcast, this scene was a story of the picture's dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 21:18:12 2015 No.2268291 File: 656 KB, 1096x1000, wip24.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm doing a party portrait for the dark heresy game I play in

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 22:42:29 2015 No.2268384 >>2268291 Your anatomy and proportions are terrible. You should have worked that all out in a sketch before you started painting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 22:47:41 2015 No.2268387 >>2268271 you can be the one

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 22:56:26 2015 No.2268391 >>2268387 Then I'll make my fetishes come to life. This is my motivation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 22:58:14 2015 No.2268395 >>2268391 there are more?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 23:04:24 2015 No.2268403 File: 91 KB, 410x550, ba3a97121b588c413a003139e5f5273e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2268395 Has anyone tried using ink washing for figure drawing? If so, any good demos on people trying this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 04:30:51 2015 No.2268621 >>2268259 you do these freehand with no measurements?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 04:51:55 2015 No.2268636 >>2268291 That red star is shaded like a button Honestly, you should scrap this piece of shit. Everything is completely wrong, by A LOT. Unless you're like a 7 years old kid, these mistakes really are noticeable by anyone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 05:39:29 2015 No.2268675 File: 84 KB, 787x1225, doodle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is what my doodles look like. Is this solid enough to post as is or should I refine?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 05:41:01 2015 No.2268677 File: 53 KB, 390x950, mik.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2268675 here's a more sketchy doodle, it has more detail but is even less refined, thoughts

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 06:21:23 2015 No.2268696
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I know I post about this a lot and I promise this will be my last post if I can help it but:

I'm reading Keys To Drawing by Bert Dodson and a lot of the exercises involve having people pose for you in certain positions and then drawing them using techniques, like the current one I'm doing I have to use plumb and level for someone sitting down with their knees raised.

I'm not confident enough to ask anyone to pose for me, can any other social rejects who've read this book tell me what they did at this point? I'm currently just watching through videos on Youtube hoping to find someone pose in that kind of position so I can draw it but I'm not yielding many results.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 06:29:19 2015 No.2268702

>>2268696
I have two ideas for you.
Number one. Ask ten people irl and if they say yes ask if you did a good job. It'll boost your confidence in asking people and in drawing.
Number two. Go to a public place and draw people without letting them know. You'll have to draw faster which is fine and helpful, but it makes you feel a little bit like a spy or ninja.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:37:32 2015 No.2268765

>>2268677
>>2268675
You're giving the head no depth/volume, looks like a vertical dish.
If the head is 3/4, there needs to be a decent space to show the back of the head. You still place the facial features more or less in the middle, leaving no space for it. Same for the ears, which you always place on the contour of the head despite them not really being there.
Along with it goes the neck position, which is incoherent as well.

I'd suggest you study some anatomy and also head construction with loomis.

Also, work on big paper. You'll learn nothing by doing a stylization for ants, the second file is especially testament to how useless it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:39:35 2015 No.2268767 >>2268702 >, but it makes you feel a little bit like a spy or ninja. You need to be 18+ to post.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:15:43 2015 No.2268792

>>2268702
I'm far too shy for those though. I live in the countryside too so it'd be hard for me to get into a properly public place anyway.

Really I was only asking what other people who read the book did at this point. It's likely other people from here have read it because it's recommended in the sticky.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:16:15 2015 No.2268793 File: 1.88 MB, 3264x2448, 20151029_072528.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm new here

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:17:28 2015 No.2268797 File: 1.44 MB, 1401x2393, 20151015_131936-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] go easy on me

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:18:49 2015 No.2268798 >>2268793 >Drawing on squared/striped paper S T O P T O P

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:19:26 2015 No.2268799 File: 1.78 MB, 3264x2448, 20150913_164452.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] thinking about finishing this

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:20:40 2015 No.2268800 File: 1.80 MB, 3264x2448, 20150913_161807.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2266313

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:22:14 2015 No.2268801 >>2268798 it's easier for proportions

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:24:09 2015 No.2268803 File: 81 KB, 286x295, why would you do that.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2268800 >>2268799 >>2268797 >>2268793 >>2268801 >striped paper

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:24:34 2015 No.2268804 >>2268800 Good thing you yadda yadda gets me every time kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:37:32 2015 No.2268813 >>2268172 kek and nobody has given me any kind of critique YET AGAIN lelelelel

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:57:07 2015 No.2268823
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can anybody tell my why im so much worse at rendering in PS than with pencil? is the skill not transferrable? am i using the software wrong?
sorry for the crappy photo quality

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:13:03 2015 No.2268832 >>2268823 Because pencil is a straigh forward medium. Ps throws a bunch of setting an options at you. Im sure there are some 'getting started with digital painting' books of videos out there

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:14:46 2015 No.2268834 >>2268813 What the fuck is there to critique? Draw something with a fucking pose, something that requires you to have a design in mind if you want feedback.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:17:59 2015 No.2268836 >>2268832 thanks bro

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:19:10 2015 No.2268838 >>2268813 its just generally kinda shit and everything is misshapen a bit

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:22:27 2015 No.2268979 >>2268823 have you tried using black and white before using colors?

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:32:31 2015 No.2268985

>>2268792
Haven't read the book, but sometimes I'd just ride the buss and do quick gesture drawings of people. If you don't have a way to get a live model (which is always more helpful) there are plenty of resources on deviant art of people who pose to be a reference.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 14:34:35 2015 No.2269037 >>2268803 cuz thats what we have onhand fuck off. >>2268677 I see a lot of potential if you just had someone supervise you you could easily correct a ton of mistakes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 14:38:53 2015 No.2269039 File: 17 KB, 500x327, whatever m8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269037 Dude, if you draw on shit paper, your drawings are going to be shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 15:10:30 2015 No.2269053 >>2269039 No, if you're a shit artist your drawings are going to be shit. Lined paper is just icing on the cake.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 15:26:02 2015 No.2269064 Are there any recommended video lectures for beginners? I'm familiar with proko and ctrl+paint and the production quality of Vilppu is too much for me to handle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 15:41:18 2015 No.2269079 >>2269053 If you put shit icing on a good cake, the cake becomes a shit cake.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:05:47 2015 No.2269102 File: 658 KB, 1743x2569, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why do my asses look like shit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:07:53 2015 No.2269104 >>2269102 Try looking at porn for a while, get references

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:08:37 2015 No.2269105 >>2269102 because you are not sunibee

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:19:41 2015 No.2269113 >>2269105 That good or bad >>2269104 I did use references, but I'll look for better ones and will focus on them more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:36:56 2015 No.2269134 >>2269064 Try Peter Han's dynamic sketching vids and see if it is more your style

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:46:28 2015 No.2269145 >>2269102 How about drawing proper figures from above knees to below bellybutton - asses are just part of curve from legs through hips so maybe drawing bigger picture would add more fluidity and depth than drawing two C's on a stickman.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:51:33 2015 No.2269146 >>2267647 It was the previous thread study newfriend

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:03:35 2015 No.2269157 >>2268263 Look at the sticky. Your eyes are a perfect example of symbol drawing and your lines are a mess. Stop using a mouse ever. Either draw traditional or get a cheap tablet (all small versions suck, wacom is overpriced).

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:07:32 2015 No.2269162 >>2268291 Why does it look like you're photobashing hard. The discrpancy between quality of faces and everything else is huge. Also proportions friend

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:12:46 2015 No.2269168 File: 102 KB, 356x344, AAAAYYYEEEEEEEEEGGGGGHHHHHHH.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] mrw someone posts a drawing in squared paper

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:16:36 2015 No.2269174 >>2268823 Your pencil rendering is pretty terrible too, don't get delusional. There's literally 3 tones you used.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:19:53 2015 No.2269176

>>2268823

Don't jump right in with color, it can really fuck with you more than you'd think.
The theory is transferable but I'd say the technical skill takes a little adjusting. As another anon said photoshop has a lot of tools and many of them are a little unwieldy to begin with when it comes to digital painting. I can't give specific advice for photoshop since I don't use it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:46:28 2015 No.2269197
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>>2269176
ive never drawn a pose like this before
and the refs i look at arent as close to what i want as i would like.
>shoulder has some fucked up things going on
>thighs/calves too small ?

please help

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:47:10 2015 No.2269200
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How do I set up pressure in the ink pen in sai so instead of top line I get the bottom, basically the scale of the thing being dependent on pressure, instead of just density

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:50:59 2015 No.2269204

>>2269039
>>2269053
>>2269079

more than just saying lined paper makes your stuff automatically shit
the lines busy up the page
instead of having a clean canvas to work with, you're starting with something that already has lines on it, and although it doesnt seem like a big deal, they will impact your own lines on the paper and how you perceive your work.
Carry around a folder with computer paper you stole from the library/bought yourself. put it in a backpack with other pencils and shit. it'll be better for you.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:17:33 2015 No.2269223
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I'm doing vilppu's drawing manual just now, been figure drawing for a couple of weeks.

Couple of questions though:
1. Should I be drawing the head, hands and feet in detail?
Right now I'm doing a box for the head and planes for the hands and feet, just to make sure my perspective is correct.

2. At what point should I start looking at anatomy and proportions?
These are my biggest issues after perspective, in my opinion reading about them would improve my figures and gestures but I don't want to move on if there's more to gain from drawing models with a 'fresh' view.

3. Should I be drawing the model's clothing?
On one hand clothes will broaden the types of forms I draw, on the other it's just as hard to see through the clothes and draw the body structure.

Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:20:09 2015 No.2269228 >>2269145 Whatever it takes to draw a perfect ass

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:27:17 2015 No.2269233

>>2269223
1. hands feet and heads can be done in their own studies. what you are practicing now appears to be body structure/proportion/anatomy etc. so its not needed in these. however thats not to say you SHOULDNT do it. feel free to practice and see how it looks with the body as well as the individual drills for hands/feet.

2. Anatomy is always important. if you dont take the time to learn it youll always have that 'this doesnt look quiite right' feeling when drawing. a lot of people make schedules for themselves. it will take longer to learn everything one step at a time, than to designate days to certain things. While you are doing figures, pick a day of the week and practice anatomy. Over time youll develop a natural way of seeing parts of the body and where they should/should not be. this will improve your figures immensely.

clothing is a whole other beast. learn human form first, then put material over it. learning folds, flow, weight, etc will take time and will need its own time set aside. after you draw a form, try drawing it again, simpler, and put clothing over than one.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:39:57 2015 No.2269244
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>>2269200
nice dubs

Post a screenshot of your brush settings, with advanced options.

Also try others > options > click detection pressure: 100%, it's worked for some people.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:42:16 2015 No.2269249

>>2269233
Thanks man.
I never actually thought to dedicate days to things but it sounds exactly what I need.
Till now I've just sort of done the same exercise every day over and over till I got it right so mixing things up would be great for keeping things interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:53:11 2015 No.2269266 File: 371 KB, 1024x768, playing with brushes and pens.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] started using manga studio over sai, forgot to change the stabilizers on my brushes. >like it makes that much of a difference with my skill level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:06:43 2015 No.2269276 File: 824 KB, 2448x3264, 1446332744231-333646512.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rate my finger.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:14:15 2015 No.2269282 File: 49 KB, 616x436, qx.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269244 the detection pressure didn't work basically the upper left line is what I want, but don't have and the lower line is what I have thanks for any tips

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:14:53 2015 No.2269284 File: 34 KB, 185x347, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269200 Fiddle with the advanced options, should be bottom row and just click the size option. I'm running a dodgy cracked version though so it might be different for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:17:06 2015 No.2269286 File: 46 KB, 620x400, seriously dude.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269276 >notebook paper Is it that difficult to grab some blank paper?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:17:48 2015 No.2269287 >>2269284 Godspeed anon, this is exactly what I was looking for! Somehow I missed it, I have no idea how, probably checked the box but didn't, as you said fiddle with it. Oh well.. thanks man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:20:17 2015 No.2269291 File: 2.22 MB, 2000x3000, dwwda.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269276 rate mine

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:37:04 2015 No.2269309 >>2269291 Mine looks more realistic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:48:51 2015 No.2269318 So once I got pretty good and confident about my lines, circles and curves, should I continue to those design sketching route or go back to Keys to Drawing book? What I want to do is art, not skething btw.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:22:23 2015 No.2269351 File: 670 KB, 1000x1000, fish study.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 6 hours, give or take >that feel when it's saturday and you actually have time to draw Any help welcome, also would appreciate if >>2267410 >>2267879 could crit me.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:34:28 2015 No.2269359

>>2268222
what >>2268268 said
When you start seeing more flaws, thats when you have the chance to improve. This line of work is nothing but constant training and improving your skills from one stage of work to another.
be grateful you can see the error of your pieces, and don't blindly think they are the best.
when you are the latter, you have stopped growing as an artist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:39:49 2015 No.2269362 >>2267774 why are you doing this to yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:53:48 2015 No.2269371 File: 2.37 MB, 3264x2448, 20151015_163738.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] so... New. . just started painting . here s my first. not yet finished though. acrylic on canvas

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:00:10 2015 No.2269373 File: 2.09 MB, 3264x2448, 20151101_004358.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269371 and here s my second... still wip. need to add some highlights and shadows. also hair and a blanket... anyone advice or critici. ..both acrylic on canvas

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:07:38 2015 No.2269379 >>2269371 coming from someone with no painting skills, its pretty decent. however the white patches of paint above the filter just seem lazy and stand out. >>2269373 looks like a baby. what was the reference?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:10:14 2015 No.2269383 File: 263 KB, 750x1000, vso.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] may i have some critics ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:11:28 2015 No.2269384 >>2269379 my young son... not baby though. .. still young yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:13:43 2015 No.2269385 >>2269379 yea I know. its still a work in progress... I highlights some parts that were a bit highlights to get them on the richt place... im going over them and will ad more detail to them

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:42:50 2015 No.2269427 >>2266360 she looks like shes dragging her feet across the puddle rather than jumping on it

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:47:05 2015 No.2269434 File: 1.42 MB, 1351x1399, wolfentryfinish.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] critique? did this for a payday 2 contest

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:49:06 2015 No.2269437 >>2269434 read the sticky.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:21:59 2015 No.2269454 >>2268621 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:38:09 2015 No.2269460 File: 760 KB, 2206x2727, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This guy >>2269102 again. Am I doing better?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:34:12 2015 No.2269478

I'm looking for a reference picture. In a anime prefered style. (That and I think it'd be a miracle if you got a picture like that in real life.)

Of a close up of a cat dashing out of a store or any building really with a stolen object in its mouth. The image I have in my head and the angle is quite dynamic and I'm not sure where to start without a reference.

>>	Tai Sun Nov 1 00:37:40 2015 No.2269479 >>2269460 yeap. less pancakey (tfw your captcha is pancakes XD)

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:09:04 2015 No.2269543 >>2269525 Her foot isn't attached to her leg anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:14:56 2015 No.2269546 >>2269543 yooo dude i never noticed fuck ty but im not gonna fix it i'm fucking done my sides

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:17:47 2015 No.2269513 >>2268278 Which podcast?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:29:57 2015 No.2269554 File: 97 KB, 321x540, 14907079c04c406f1de43268cbc1d617.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269543 i said i wasn't gonna fix it but i did

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:38:05 2015 No.2269525 File: 100 KB, 389x513, a85fff2ae7e1560416f79dd9877b417f.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 05:59:31 2015 No.2269681 >>2269554 No you didn't. Not entirely

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:49:42 2015 No.2269704 >>2269373 >>2269379 stop... doing... this... it makes... your look.... retarded....

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:52:46 2015 No.2269705 What's the most effective way to study drawing? should I just draw people, or limbs, or fast sketches to get anatomy going?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:23:26 2015 No.2269722

>>2269705
There are no shortcuts, anon
Draw a healthy balance of all those things until you feel satisfied with the quality.
At the start, I liked to draw full body people from poses and people you see while commuting for example. Could be 30sec/sketch or 30min/drawing

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:33:05 2015 No.2269732

>>2269705

There isn't really a "most effective way", and if there is it's controversial and people won't agree on it. A lot depends on you and your goals. You'll get a lot of different opinions on what's effective.
You'll find different methods in the various books people will inevitably point you to (IE Loomis). Take what you like, leave what doesn't work for you, and you'll come out with what's effective for you. It doesn't hurt to try everything once, though.

If you're trying to draw people my suggestion is to learn construction. At least for me, getting the hang of construction was what really got me out of drawing flat shit/contours and thinking of forms / three dimensional shapes. Don't spend ages rendering things because adding details won't teach you much about the basics. Simplify stuff to basic shapes and draw a lot. Personally I don't advocate timed gesture drawing early on but some people do, it does have a benefit of preventing you from fixating on details, but if you don't really know basic anatomy / proportions it'll be like pulling teeth.
Keep track of stuff that gives you trouble and focus on it. Don't draw limbs solely for the sake of drawing limbs, but if you're drawing a lot of people and frequently finding you can't draw legs, study legs. Figure out their anatomy, look up tutorials, draw a lot of legs.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:44:31 2015 No.2269743
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>>2269722
>>2269732
Alright, thank you

Right now I'm drawing figures hands/legs trying to learn how exactly do joints and stuff connect and trying to imagine it in 3D

I'm using http://artists.pixelovely.com for pose references and I'm trying to make the figues simple instead of finishing them, as you've said.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:56:35 2015 No.2269782 >>2269434 nice

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 09:14:00 2015 No.2269813 >>2267285 It's been a while since I've gone through it, but I think Loomis does.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:04:46 2015 No.2269839 when learning how to draw a certain something, i.e a hand, should I focus on learning how to do it from imagination or just draw hundred times in different poses etc?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:27:55 2015 No.2269849

>>2269839

ALWAYS use references when learning. Even when you're just drawing whatever from imagination you should be looking for references to help you. People confuse 'drawing from imagination' with 'drawing from experience'.

What you'll want to do is get something like Bridgman's books, read through the section on hands while copying the pictures. Find pictures online and work on constructing the hands, getting the form of it. Get as many figure books as you can and go through the hand sections.

Slow, patient study. Don't worry about cranking out a hundred drawings, just do it one drawing at a time. Do it once, do it right, then do the next one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:35:40 2015 No.2269854 >>2269849 Alright, thanks for the help, I understand, but I'm not sure at what point I'm photo-copying and at what point I'm looking at a reference.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:48:46 2015 No.2269862 File: 17 KB, 640x480, fishe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2266313 fishe

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:52:58 2015 No.2269864 >>2269862 that... shouldn't look as good as it does..

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:55:00 2015 No.2269866 File: 33 KB, 640x480, northern lights w: colours.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269864 bob ross marathon got me breaking out the ms paint

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:56:48 2015 No.2269868 >>2269866 that's fucking swell, dude

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:57:14 2015 No.2269869 >>2269868 im not sure i like your tone

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:59:04 2015 No.2269871 >>2269869 that was a positive reaction

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:59:24 2015 No.2269872 >>2269866 I will say there's something curiously pleasing about your MSPaint bullshit, even if it certainly looks like MSPaint bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 11:10:27 2015 No.2269880 File: 1.00 MB, 1000x1284, fish prac.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Crits are welcome

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:06:27 2015 No.2269919 File: 465 KB, 1024x768, todays little nothings.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269866 i've also been watching the marathon, tho i haven't been as inspired as you. >captcha find happy little trees

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:20:51 2015 No.2269929
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I looked at Vilppu and Loomis again and I think I understood something today. Tried drawing a few figures with a little more attention to detail and this is the result after cleaning up.
Am I learning? Still too much outlines? Help? Crits? Pls guys

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:25:58 2015 No.2269934 Do you guys close one eye when drawing from life? I've noticed it makes things a lot easier to "copy", but is it cheating? Would it make a life drawing seem flatter?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:27:46 2015 No.2269936

>>2269934
>but is it cheating?

If you consider anything that makes it easier for you cheating, which seems disturbingly common on this board.
Do what works for you. How you observe it won't make it seem flatter, it's how you draw it. You're already converting a 3 dimensional object into two dimensions anyway.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:31:11 2015 No.2269941

>>2269934
I don't, but I have limited depth perception anyways so there's almost no difference. A drawing is limited to a single perspective anyway unless you have 2 drawings with slight changes in perspective an then cross your eyes until they overlap.
I'd say it's okay, but try constructing what's in front of you instead of copying it. Then again I'm a beginner myself so idk

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:32:48 2015 No.2269945 >>2269936 The whole "cheating" thing makes sense if you're trying to practice. Using shortcuts will only hamper your own progress. Of course if you're trying to just draw something amazing there's no such thing as cheating.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:58:39 2015 No.2269965

>>2269945

If you're practicing drawing from life and closing an eye works, you're still practicing drawing from life. Intentionally making it harder for yourself doesn't magically make the practice more effective. Half of practice is finding the efficient method to get the result you want in a way you can remember and reproduce.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 13:02:24 2015 No.2269971 File: 395 KB, 1024x768, fatty.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269919 more garbage

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 13:37:52 2015 No.2269994 >>2269929 Use references, you don't have enough experience to draw from imagination yet

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 13:53:28 2015 No.2270013

>>2269854

The difference is in whether or not you're applying your learned knowledge. Are you constructing the forms of the reference, applying value, checking perspective? Are you drawing the figure in ways that accentuate the forms, and give it depth? Are you analyzing the reference and gaining experience in depicting the forms involved in the drawing? Remember, you're not just copying the outlines in the reference, you're sculpting forms with your pencil, starting with simple shapes and building up to details, feeling around the form in the reference. You're not copying the photo, you're sculpting it's likeness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 13:55:52 2015 No.2270014 >>2270013 Okay, I'll keep that in mind. and a .txt Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 16:42:02 2015 No.2270236 File: 3.47 MB, 5312x2988, 20151101_163429.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I drew this bird human hybrid thing...can't help but think somethings wrong help pls.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 16:51:08 2015 No.2270244 >>2270236 Please scale your stuff, no-ones going to bother opening an image that size.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 16:57:57 2015 No.2270255 >>2270244 My bad I'll remember to do that next time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 17:03:32 2015 No.2270263 File: 103 KB, 1600x1200, first.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 17:10:15 2015 No.2270271 >>2270236 Your construction and perspective seem fine. Then again I'm a noob so grain of salt all that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 17:19:25 2015 No.2270278 >>2268803 Why waste good expensive art paper on practicing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 17:23:22 2015 No.2270285 File: 70 KB, 640x480, 1445568639341.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2270278 Do you consider printer paper "good expensive art paper"? For fuck's sake, man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 18:45:01 2015 No.2270422 >>2270278 >>2270285 Could even just buy a shit ton of cheap ass blank newsprint

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:06:54 2015 No.2270452 >>2269994 Can you be more specific? Obviously I usually draw from ref, I just wanted to see how I'd do from imagination. What is wrong about them?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:07:57 2015 No.2270453
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Working on anatomy and crosshatching. Also a light drapery exercise with the sheet in hand. Critique? Especially with shading I feel like value representation is my biggest struggle.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:19:02 2015 No.2270472 >>2270285 >>2270422 Arguing over the use of paper and the style of paper is the dumbest shit ever. Use what you can use while you can use it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:19:12 2015 No.2270473 File: 17 KB, 245x212, 5aa0c119d1d2a61abfeb9b83c39b30d4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] k so am i on the right track?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:45:45 2015 No.2270503 >>2270453 The chickenscratchiest. Also it looks like you might need a softer pencil

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:48:21 2015 No.2270509 >>2270473 Both very stiff. After getting proportions down with Loomis take a look at how Vilppu draws gestures and poses. "feel the flow" as he says. Also (Loomis says this too) don't ever draw limbs in 90 or 180 degree angles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:55:47 2015 No.2270515 >>2270509 okay. so no straight or right angles. i was trying to make it seem like the dude that was walking was being serious or something. i'll do some more

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 20:07:51 2015 No.2270536 >>2269971 The bodies are fine but the limbs need to be 3 dimensional. Particulary the arms, don't think of them as two connected C shapes. Think of them as cylinders or cubes. I had this same problem as an early beginner. That sticks out the most to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 20:12:08 2015 No.2270543 >>2270536 time to grind out some arms then, any other glaring mistakes?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 20:14:57 2015 No.2270547 File: 202 KB, 808x604, 340a2df148777fb939c123f45d30ea44.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2270536 are these starting to get any better?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 20:25:28 2015 No.2270552 File: 1.10 MB, 1594x793, Free art 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Heh...It is shit.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 21:40:42 2015 No.2270621
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Computer broke and phone camera is shit so i'm sorry for the quality.

Was drawing heads for a character I've been working on and accidentally ended up doing clothes design of which I have no experience. Just looking for second opinions here. She's a teenager in a friar's outfit so I felt like cutting up a friar costume and giving it a cutesy border would give off that "I'm a teen and this is super cute!" Vibe that I want the character to have

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 22:01:03 2015 No.2270635 >>2270453 Lines > form > Gesture > proportion > values

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 22:08:31 2015 No.2270642

>>2270547
Getting there, really messy though.
At points you're still going along the contour too much, for example middle right figures outstretched leg reeks of lack of confidence.
Describe it instead with a nice long fluid S curve, less lines is usually better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 22:24:48 2015 No.2270654 File: 187 KB, 1600x800, fishy copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2266313 I tried the fish. I haven't tried painting digitally since 2011, or on paper since 2012.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 22:48:54 2015 No.2270670 >>2270654 Wow... That is awesome. You must be god-like painter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 23:26:20 2015 No.2270688 >>2270670 Please tell me that's sarcasm. I drew the fish in 15 minutes. It's terrible but I couldn't be fucked putting more time in. Which is why I stopped painting, incidentally. At this rate I'm never going to start again, either.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 23:54:41 2015 No.2270702 File: 28 KB, 642x357, waiting.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My Very first drawing both digital and first for visiting /ic/, any criticism is appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 00:07:57 2015 No.2270713 >>2270688 ' Well, It is shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 04:00:55 2015 No.2270828 Hello Where should I go to get a sketchbook and what should I ask for if I want to use my new white pen?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 04:05:02 2015 No.2270831 >>2270702 im amazed you were able to find your way to the beginner thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 04:39:44 2015 No.2270857 File: 15 KB, 655x670, wtf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What does this mean and how do i use it I know it has to do with the sensitivity of the stylus' pressure, but i have no idea how to use it. the image is from Krita

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 06:08:09 2015 No.2270878 >>2270828 get a Strathmore Toned sketchbook

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 07:05:52 2015 No.2270904 >>2270878 thanks for the tip bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 08:56:33 2015 No.2270986 >>2270452 They look like strange, misshapen, anthropomorphized monkeys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 09:22:34 2015 No.2270999 File: 114 KB, 1252x1252, I8QlqUVh[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2269351 >go to crit board >nobody ever crits me

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 09:25:57 2015 No.2271001 >>2270999 Post work, I'll crit you. I'll even be constructive about it

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 09:26:10 2015 No.2271002

>>2269705
All of what you said. The more the better.

Single limbs for very detailed studies and textures, whole people for proportion and scale, and fast studies for figure.

Anything you can come up with will be useful for something.
The only thing I'd say, and generally everyone agrees, is do not waste time adding details if the base is not good enough. That is the only part about "efficiency".

Master drafting and then move onto rendering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 09:28:59 2015 No.2271007 >>2269934 I bet you use a pencil for drawing instead of your own blood or nails. Fucking cheater talkin shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 09:35:58 2015 No.2271012 >>2271001 Well it's this >>2269351 At home I got an updated version cause I realized the lips were not finished, I'm uploading it in ~40 mins when I get back. You can wait or crit this one, whichever.

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 09:53:52 2015 No.2271025

>>2271012

Okay sure, quick first impression: you're missing a lot of the subtle hues that gives the fish a a certain vibrancy. Some people might disagree with me but I think you'd learn a lot if you went over the reference with the color picker (a great tool if used responsibly). The body of the fish has the typical monochromatic look and lacks the rich blues and pale greens of the original. Look for instance at the blues at the sections between the scales (whatever it is called, the lines that separates the scales) towards the tail - in your study it looks brown, muddy and desaturated, but in the ref it contains both darker blues and some sprinkles of lighter blues. Also there is a shift from orangey tones towards cooler pale pink tones if you go from the scales towards the dorsal fin towards the tail. Lastly, I think you would do well in using some harder brushes to bring in some hard edges to get rid of that soft muddy digital painting with the hard round brush look. Keep going and hope that was helpful

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 10:37:18 2015 No.2271058
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>>2271025
Thanks!

As for colors, yes, I do not understand them yet unfortunately. Is the solution just using the color picker and analyzing pictures? Right now, all I do is pick one tone and change the slider from darker to lighter, I don't ever go into different colors outside of that slider, as it's hard to comprehend what a color blends into.

Also , what is a hard brush and a hard edge?

(here was the version with the better lips)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 10:45:20 2015 No.2271069 is it normal to feel like I've learned weeks worth of study in a day and then the day after that I can't even draw a figure from reference? any tips on how to overcome this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 11:01:42 2015 No.2271093 >>2270621 why dose the arm shrink in the sleeve

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 11:01:58 2015 No.2271095
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>>2271058

You're welcome. A lot of people tell you to avoid using the color picker, as it is somewhat the painting equivalent of tracing. What you should do is to always use your eyes first to your best ability - then use the color picker and try to analyze where you went wrong and make some corrections. Be wary though that depending on the compression of your reference åoctire you might pick up some weird hues with the color picker. Try to click a few times in the same area and find the most average tone.

Check the picture for an explanation of edges, it's watercolour but explains the main idea. Even in a very sharp photograph there is always a a blend of soft and hard edges, or soft and hard transitions.

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 12:12:29 2015 No.2271174

>>2271095
Looking at that picture, it looks like most of the body of the fish is soft edges, and the fins are mostly hard edges. Is that correct?

As for color, I've been looking at some paintings, and I cannot even comprehend how the environments of Albert Bierstadt are colored. It looks so fucking complex.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 12:52:21 2015 No.2271229 File: 14 KB, 512x800, captn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] a little breather after practising facial construction, kind of struggling with light sources

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 13:15:04 2015 No.2271249

http://the-ult.tumblr.com/tagged/my+art
http://ult-sketch.tumblr.com/

Not sure how to feel about my recent stuff or what I can specifically do to improve besides continuing to draw on a regular basis.

I have a sketchbook coming in the mail in like a couple weeks. Gonna start using that more often when I get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 13:41:09 2015 No.2271267 File: 282 KB, 891x816, figures.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I know the anatomy is not very good, buthow do I get into shading? any good tutorials?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:10:40 2015 No.2271290 >>2270986 Then tell me what is wrong about them so I can see my mistakes. Are you trying to be as unhelpful as possible?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:30:04 2015 No.2271313 File: 350 KB, 899x900, tali.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] friend and i decided to limit ourselves to a colour palette for practice

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:33:29 2015 No.2271319 File: 806 KB, 3264x1836, AEofMRe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Didn't know there was a beginner thread. Would have posted my shitty art here. Just starting out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:35:29 2015 No.2271325 File: 1005 KB, 5248x2952, CsiYhbS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Couple of more recent ones. Yes, I'm terribad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:36:29 2015 No.2271328 >>2271313 Wow, that's fucking amazing brochacho. What's your process?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:36:30 2015 No.2271329 >>2271319 Stop drawing anime this instant. Look at the sticky. Get started with Loomis. Supplement the book you use with Vilppu. Learn proportions, gesture, perspective. Check back whenever to get recommendations on what to improve next.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:45:22 2015 No.2271347 >>2271328 thnx. sketch, lineart, and "colour" all on painttoolsai.

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:48:47 2015 No.2271350

>>2271329

I'm literally a beginner. I don't know a lick of anything. I saw a beginner thread and posted my shitty art in it. I'll look at the sticky in detail but why is drawing anime bad? I thought it would be easier to start with this since it seems simpler then drawing real life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:53:25 2015 No.2271354 >>2271229 You and me both.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:53:59 2015 No.2271357 >>2271350 Anime artists learn to draw humans proportionally as well. It is important even in cartooning for gestures and construction.

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:02:56 2015 No.2271376

>>2271350
In order to know how to properly stylize, you need to understand how realism works first, so you can make the stylization appealing.

Especially anime stylization, which is mostly "remove detail". How will you ever make it good if you don't know what should be there in the first place? You'll just misplace everything and it'll look like shit.

Just like your faces there you posted. They lack not only construction, but the actual shape is completely off.

Train your eyes and do CAREFUL measurements. I mean take 20 minutes to make the head shape by that. And do several.

You are doing random lines and are trusting your brain as to what you think a face looks like. Well, your brain's fucked, so don't trust it.

As the other guy said, Loomis shall be thine savior. Also, get used to thinking of anything you draw as a 3d shape. Don't think about drawing details for now, focus on creating 3-dimensional-looking shapes.

This is especially why anime faces are the worst shit you can learn with. They all lack the proper shading and consistency to be interpreted as 3d objects. They can be understood to an extent, but they cannot be used to learn anything from, as they are misleading, as most of the time the shading is focusing on highlighting the facial features and not following the form, because of pandering weebshit reasons.

Adding to this, every single good anime artist also has a good understanding of 3d/realism.

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:13:22 2015 No.2271393

Been asking this in the question thread, but no answer so far. Is it OK to skip Loomis's Fun With A Pencil and going straight into his book about heads and hands. I'm 30 pages into FWAP and so far it seems like a book JUST to get people interested in drawing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:16:08 2015 No.2271399 >>2271393 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:19:57 2015 No.2271407 >>2271399 Done. Will post heads later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:21:41 2015 No.2271408 >>2271376 Thank you. Informative and well thought out reply. 10/10 I understand your point. Any specific Loomis book you would recommend I start with based on the shitty drawings I did?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:23:00 2015 No.2271412 >>2271408 Not that anon, but read the sticky. Trust me, it'll tell you a lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 16:40:48 2015 No.2271508 >>2271249 replying to myself. also wondering about >>2271267 's question. Btw that's some good anatomy, at least in my opinion. Better than what I usually do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 18:04:50 2015 No.2271591 >>2268172 >>2268813 By god you are weird

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 19:20:06 2015 No.2271661 File: 390 KB, 1024x768, what.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Another day another dollar

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 19:45:54 2015 No.2271695 File: 916 KB, 1080x1920, artflow_201511021928.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2266313 Tips on improving this painting so far? I'm new to digital painting

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 20:30:29 2015 No.2271733 >>2271661 im having fun

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 20:31:12 2015 No.2271735 File: 565 KB, 1024x768, again.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2271733 oops

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 21:06:13 2015 No.2271776 >>2270642 thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 21:09:22 2015 No.2271780 File: 297 KB, 2000x1500, prac4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Trying to learn how to convey textures the pose is fucked to hell though in this one

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 21:14:28 2015 No.2271787 >>2266556 >I promised myself that I would do 100 of them >obsessive That's fucking nothing

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 21:16:37 2015 No.2271789 >>2271787 >That's fucking nothing Lets see your studies then champ

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 22:00:14 2015 No.2271836 >>2266492 The eye on the profile from the left is too big, too high, and too far forward. Also the iris and pupil should not take up so much of the entire ball. Your eye is clearly intersecting the brow ridge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 22:18:32 2015 No.2271856 File: 262 KB, 540x530, a.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] already posted this on the other study thread, but I was hoping to get some crit or feedback or something

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 22:20:52 2015 No.2271860 >>2271856 Less outlines, more details, more color variety. Thumbnail looks good

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 22:56:47 2015 No.2271883
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When drawing life, are you supposed to use any guidelines, deconstruction, etc.? My lines are awful. I've only a week ago, and looking for different things to practice. Also how important is copying just by eyeballing a 2-D image? Is it a worthwhile exercise?

Pic related, my first attempt at copying, Stravinsky from the sticky. I messed up the scale most of all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 23:21:39 2015 No.2271905 >>2271856 Good contour, if thats what you were going for

Anonymous Tue Nov 3 00:59:02 2015 No.2271991

I keep hearing that I need to "draw thing from life". But, I literally don't know how.

I've figured out that I cannot conceptualize how to draw something if it doesn't heavy and blatant contours. If the transition between one thing to another is smooth and gradual, I have no idea how to draw it.

I don't know what I'm asking. I just, I dunno.

Anonymous Tue Nov 3 02:38:44 2015 No.2272038

>>2268696
I'll be honest, I just finished the book recently and have been using a tablet rather than a pencil. It still does the job since I'm not using anything other than the eraser and pencil tool, but I ended up skipping a few of the chapters that the tablet would not benefit from.

For those things where you use models, I just used pictures I googled. For instance if you're doing a foreshortened body, google that and find models. I know that it is not as good as using real people, but it gets it done.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 02:50:36 2015 No.2272046 File: 918 KB, 1920x1080, fishbegginer1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] never done digital painting before, never was good traditionally anyway. hows this for guideline. can anyone give me some tips for digital?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 02:51:58 2015 No.2272047 never done digital painting before. wasnt ever good at traditional either. can anyone give me some tips on what to do next? using PS CS6.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 02:53:21 2015 No.2272049 >>2272046 >>2272047 the double post is real. said captcha was borked. ohwell

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 02:55:54 2015 No.2272051 >>2271319 >>2271325 Why would you ever want to sign those ?

Codex !nswb.JXwrE Tue Nov 3 04:37:12 2015 No.2272101
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This was all I could do in 30 minutes. I'm still slow. Tried following along the outside and drawing the curves inwards towards the fish, just to see if that's how it connects. Go ahead and point out what I'm doing wrong, what I need to work on, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 04:37:17 2015 No.2272102 >>2269383 me like

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 05:44:45 2015 No.2272138 Bump limit. Rip thread

Anonymous Tue Nov 3 07:35:23 2015 No.2272223

>>2271290
Noone spoonfeeds in /ic/, faggot. Think you would have known that already. You're kind of getting to a point of having somewhat of a semblance of 3D.

However, I don't think you're breaking down things into the right shapes or forms. Your figures look really awkward and "lumpy". You need serious work on proportions and what human body parts are shaped like, as well as gesture. Literally everything. Practice more.

Whatever parts you're trying to convey don't look like human body parts.

This is why noone can give you specific help, because ANY extra studies in anatomy are going to help you. If Vilppu and Loomis don't work, check out Hampton, or proko,

You need to have a more critical eye before thinking you're "almost there" or "get it", because I don't see you "getting" anything.

Anonymous Tue Nov 3 07:56:15 2015 No.2272241

>>2272223
I'm not deluding myself into thinking I'm "almost there". All I said was that I understood something and I can see progress compared to what I had done a day before.
>noone spoonfeeds on /ic/, faggot
Yeah yeah I know this board is totally different and a cool place for cool people because we're not a hugbox and instead hurl pointless insults at each other that make the actual crit hard to discern, assuming there even is any.
But saying "it's shit and looks like chimps" doesn't help anyone. All I wanted was for someone to give actual advice. You know, on the artwork critique board. Something like "your figures don't have correct anatomy, for example ___, and the forms are generally bloated." would've made me happy.

Anonymous Tue Nov 3 10:34:16 2015 No.2272376
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am I getting the right idea with 60 seconds gesture drawings?

I'm not asking if it looks good, cause I know it doesn't and I have a long way to go, but just if this is what I want to continue doing in order to improve the gestures
should I maybe up the time for each gesture a bit? to around 2 minutes? or should I just continue with the 60 sec ones? thanks

Anonymous Tue Nov 3 11:18:18 2015 No.2272438
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heres my happy little tree as an offering to bob ross's spirit. im worried its too flat, and i just realize the sky/lighting should be upside down the sun lower in the sky to produce the colors im trying to use. is that right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 11:30:50 2015 No.2272455 File: 9 KB, 170x307, vilppudrawing04.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2272376 na not really, you are thinking way to much about outlines. Try to capture the flow more and search fpr glenn vilppu on youtube.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 11:51:58 2015 No.2272479 >>2271856 Try stopping tracing and learn how to measure; you'll actually never learn how to draft.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 12:23:51 2015 No.2272507 File: 91 KB, 731x580, gestures 3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2272455 okay, is this more like it? it's much more difficult to draw and feels more forced, to me at least

Anonymous Tue Nov 3 12:35:32 2015 No.2272515

>>2272507
still not yet there, the gesture is the most important thing, that is why its called gesture drawing. Proportions and anatomy are less important. I know its hard to ignore it but you just got to leave your mind blank and just draw what you feel.

Watch this video as an introduction and then continure with vilppu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 12:44:22 2015 No.2272520 >>2272515 right now I'm reading through the vilppu drawing manual I think I understand it a bit more but I'm still gonna watch the video, thank you again

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 13:34:21 2015 No.2272558 File: 130 KB, 740x739, gest.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2272515 okay, now I feel like I'm slowly getting there

Anonymous Tue Nov 3 13:34:23 2015 No.2272559

>>2272241

The entire critique for your picture was summed up in the first response, man. You need to use references when you're drawing. It's fun to do stuff off the top of your head but if you want to do a serious study to get critiqued, use references and try to get accurate anatomy. There's no point drawing from imagination if you don't know what you're drawing. I said earlier, drawing from imagination gets confused with drawing from experience. You don't have the experience to draw from. Get figure books and references, grind out studies, post your work with the references.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 14:54:13 2015 No.2272658 NEW THREAD >>2272656 >>2272656 >>2272656

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 3 22:03:24 2015 No.2273320 >>2272241 Like I said, there is no point in giving targeted crit when the majority of the picture is off.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 4 01:28:28 2015 No.2273472 >>2272479 Wow, I was that accurate? I'll take that as a compliment :)

Anonymous Thu Nov 5 00:40:56 2015 No.2274704
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Trying to learn proportions. Is this the right way to go about it? I still don't get where the thighs and the waist connect at.
>inb4 feet
>the reference had the model tip toeing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 5 19:51:46 2015 No.2275477 File: 2.91 MB, 3264x2448, autismo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 6 01:02:02 2015 No.2275653 >>2267879 this is rlly good, but i don't think you properly understood the shape of the eyes, which goofs the whole thing

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 6 01:03:51 2015 No.2275655 >>2269351 this is the best fish so far. BUT i think you focussed on getting the shape down so much (which you succeeded in) that the form and the lighting got a little perfunctory

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 6 01:06:48 2015 No.2275656 >>2272438 He needs a friend.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 6 17:57:03 2015 No.2276512 File: 1.81 MB, 3504x2336, 1445998370131.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2271325 signing fanart

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