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Beginner Thread None !NANNANNANA Sun Oct 25 18:48:35 2015 No.2261633 [Reply] [Original]

Beginner Thread

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

Do not forget to resize and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.

Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," consult the sticky: >>1579290

Questions go in the QUESTION THREAD
This is for posting studys & getting critique.

Threadly reminder to avoid carpal tunnel:
http://www.healthline.com/health/carpal-tunnel-wrist-exercises

>Thread study: tfw a goat is prettier than you

Old thread: >>2257280

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 18:56:00 2015 No.2261645 I hate chinks

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 18:56:31 2015 No.2261647 File: 585 KB, 498x628, mermaid.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] gave up cus it looks like shit. what should i studeh?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 19:35:06 2015 No.2261680 >>2261633 that is a very nice picture of a goat

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 19:35:14 2015 No.2261681 >>2261647 Everything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 19:41:27 2015 No.2261686 >>2261680 reverse search it, there its part of a series

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 19:46:34 2015 No.2261689 >>2261686 I'm in heaven

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 19:48:57 2015 No.2261693 >>2261633 NEVER ENDING STORY!!! AH AH AAAHHH! Sorry, The goat look like the dragon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 19:51:05 2015 No.2261694 File: 100 KB, 838x500, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261633 Hi guys, just started experimenting with some 'digital' Artwork. Could I have some feedback please? Appreciated, Picasso.

Anonymous Sun Oct 25 19:53:44 2015 No.2261697
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>>2261606
>>2261609
But what else should I focus on with a line drawing? Fixed the length, thanks!

>>2261610
Ah I see, seems like I keep messing up the whole hip area.

>>2261611
Nice, thanks for noticing those things! It wasn't supposed to be an exact copy of the pose, so the arm angle didn't really matter. But you did make me notice that at that angle the length of the arm didn't make sense. Ajusted the angle anyway, since the hips went over the hand more in the edit.

>>2261623
Hope this is any better!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 21:23:48 2015 No.2261762 File: 277 KB, 1000x858, img121 copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] well, here goes! what can i do to make it look better next time?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 21:29:11 2015 No.2261771 File: 133 KB, 422x418, Shinobu_Pin_up.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Input on the proportions and pose would be much appreciated. >>2261762 I really should play with graphite/charcoal more. Nice work, dude.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 21:33:33 2015 No.2261777 >>2261771 its a 8B pencil

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 21:33:58 2015 No.2261778 >>2261697 I think you made her mons pubis stick out too much.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:43:51 2015 No.2261879 File: 773 KB, 793x877, Screenshot (652).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261878

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:44:50 2015 No.2261880 >>2261879 So he has the letters on his hands facing outwards, but not the crosses? Bruh

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:45:47 2015 No.2261881 File: 655 KB, 850x608, Screenshot (667).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261879

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:47:13 2015 No.2261883 File: 767 KB, 826x766, Screenshot (662).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261880 Yeah i fucked that one, not even really pleased with it as a whole, line work is shoddy P.S. last one I'm posting

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 25 23:48:22 2015 No.2261886 File: 40 KB, 512x749, 1444701961779.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I really need help with my chicken scratching. What are some things I can do to fix that problem?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 00:34:45 2015 No.2261919 [DELETED]

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Study that I didn't finish in time from the last thread. I think the drapery in the bg looks flat...I couldn't quite figure out how to give the dimension it needed. Also the drapery at the bottom isn't quite right, it doesn't match the ref...by the time I noticed it was "off" I felt it was too far gone to fix, so I settled on just conveying the draping all along the sides of the table. Actually, the whole thing is pretty off, but I tried really hard, and I've never drawn a scene like this before. Anyway, on to the next study...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 00:36:04 2015 No.2261922 >>2261919 Fuck, I'm sorry, it rotated my image. Will fix, I just need a moment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 00:47:23 2015 No.2261931 File: 165 KB, 600x800, IMG_0664[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261922

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 00:52:36 2015 No.2261937 File: 844 KB, 3024x5376, kXl0N6H.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] First attempt at a self-portrait using Learning to Draw with the Right Side of the Brain. Hair is really difficult and I look like a serial killer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 00:54:32 2015 No.2261938 >>2261937 Fuck, I'm sorry about the size.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:08:48 2015 No.2261967 >>2261881 Good music tastes, although you might want to study hands

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 02:18:35 2015 No.2261973 >>2261107 Got it! is it better to study proportions by drawing things in poses or just drawing them out standing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 05:25:24 2015 No.2261983 >>2261931 I like this. As a beginner, do you use different grades of pencil for shading your shadows or do you vary the hatching? I would love to achieve a similar result but I've got some work to do to get there!

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 06:00:19 2015 No.2262003
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Tell me everything I'm doing wrong /ic/. Rip me apart.

I know I have trouble with perspective and a bit with contours but overall I can't pinpoint where I'm going wrong. And yes I can't draw hands or feet yet.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 06:11:33 2015 No.2262009

>>2262003
sometimes with things like this finding what you're doing wrong is just a matter of grinding out studies
It looks bad, but that's really just due to not doing it enough. I bet you'll get better if you just keep at it. Maybe read some of the anatomy books in the art-book thread.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 06:11:39 2015 No.2262010

>>2262003
You're symbol drawing. Turn your sketchbook upside-down and look at what you've drawn. There's no form there, nothing in any kind of perspective, no anatomy. Characters are fun to draw and make interesting subjects, I get it, but take the time to work on the fundamentals. I know its tiring to hear that because it sounds like that's all /ic/ ever says, but I promise you if can get a better understanding of perspective and can draw proper cubes, cylinders, and rectangles with it you'll have a much better time drawing bodies. Right now, you're trying to do something you aren't prepared to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 06:38:31 2015 No.2262021 >>2262010 hello, is the difference between symbol drawing and right drawing that right drawing is basically 3d shapes and symbol drawing is outline based? how a horse as an example would appear line by line, not shape by shape?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 06:43:20 2015 No.2262023

>>2261931
What would drastically improve your drapery is, you need to not do those strong (I am assuming) construction/sketch lines. Keep them invisible, just do the shading, which will be darker near where your lines are.

Clothing does not fold like plastic, it does not need hard defining lines. The curvates are not crafted.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 07:11:31 2015 No.2262029
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>>2262021
Kind of. With symbol drawing you're drawing what you think something looks like rather than how it actually appears. Look at what most people draw when you say "draw an eye," for example. You get something that makes no sense; eyelashes are drawn as if being viewed from above, the eyelids will have no form to them and be represented by two hard, curved lines, eye itself is treated like a flat surface, no indication of the cheekbones, brow ridge, etc. These mistakes happen because your brain doesn't automatically think about it when trying to imagine an eye, and that shows in the drawing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 07:30:54 2015 No.2262041 File: 255 KB, 700x1246, IMG_20151025_232813989_crop.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did this yesterday while trying some gouache colors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 07:31:27 2015 No.2262042 >>2261886 Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 07:46:26 2015 No.2262049 >>2261886 but why the balls

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 07:54:04 2015 No.2262052 >>2262029 okay, that's pretty much what I thought. thanks for clarifying! I am a total beginner but I'm really liking the idea of drawing as "sculpting" in a 3d environment.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 08:26:26 2015 No.2262065
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A piece I finished up for a friend some time ago. Been working on art for about a year and a half.

I get extremely frustrated with sketching from time to time and I feel like a lot of it is because I've neglected my studies and practice. Whenever I try to go do them though, it's very hard to feel like I am improving or learning anything, even more so if I miss some time for art. A current piece I am trying to do is stressing me out very bad because I don't really like my sketch at all. I plan to hit the grind though to improve. I really don't enjoy being constantly frustrated and unsatisfied at my sketches and also not feeling like I'm receiving proper critique sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 08:52:04 2015 No.2262080 File: 233 KB, 917x556, mastercopy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this was a mind fuck. howd i do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 08:55:36 2015 No.2262084 File: 903 KB, 1294x980, 20151026_134517.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] had quite a bit of trouble simplifying the shapes

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 08:59:02 2015 No.2262086

>>2262080
You're missing some texture in a few places. Like the way the light sort of rakes across the tree trunk or the pillar. There's a coarse texture there.

You also can increase the ambient sky light on the top of the statue and the man.

Perspective on the bottom of the tree is a bit off, and the tiles are also all off.

The leaves you made a lot worse. The ones in the original had nice variety of size and shape and also a few are hit by direct sunlight, a few have a slight shine to them, a few have light passing through them etc. You painted them all pretty much the same cold ugly green.

Overall it's pretty good. A little too literal though, like you just copied the shapes and values but I feel the sense of light and atmosphere isn't quite there (it's close though).

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:15:17 2015 No.2262098

>>2262086
thanks for the critique. i was going to put more effort in but this was already taking way too long (about 25 hours) so i decided to leave it at this.
>Overall it's pretty good. is good enough for me. the leaves were the hardest part for me because ive never really done detailed leaves so what i have is accomplishment enough. is the perspective of the tiles okay? i actually bothered to check the lines on the ref to find the point they start at and added single point perspective lines to my painting, i did simplify to make 'less' though

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:43:55 2015 No.2262119 I want to draw furry art, mostly animals with clocks because apparently there is a market if you're good. Any one care to help?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:52:55 2015 No.2262130 >>2261883 >>2261880 No it's an upside-down cross, means satan alignment. Goes pretty well with "HATE".

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 09:55:08 2015 No.2262132 >>2262098 >>2262080 Please don't copy paintings, it's a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:01:41 2015 No.2262136 >>2262132 whys that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:17:26 2015 No.2262148 >>2262130 Its the cross of st. peter, it has nothing to do with satan you uninformed idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:22:44 2015 No.2262152 >>2262119 you should ask that in the porn thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:24:33 2015 No.2262155 >>2261983 Not him but I can tell you that's not hatching, he's shadding by grading the pressure he applies to the pencil and repasses the same areas a few times. you can get similar results using a blending stump.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 10:37:23 2015 No.2262160 >>2262136 ignore the obvious troll

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:13:51 2015 No.2262181 Perspective exercise my tutor had me do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:16:28 2015 No.2262183 I'm learning construction drawing. Is it better to just practice the forms (over and over) or practice it and finish drawings (over and over)?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:17:30 2015 No.2262185 File: 231 KB, 996x1010, IMG_1377.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] First time attempting a perspective exercise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 11:23:33 2015 No.2262191 >>2262185 you need scot Robertsons book How to draw. you will get the link in art book thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:05:01 2015 No.2262214 >>2262185 start simpler (boxes and straight roads)

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:41:00 2015 No.2262243
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hello beginner thread i just finished my studies and starting my temporary NEET life before i get a job is it advisable to use a mechanical pencil for beginners? i don't want to waste the one i used in school pic related

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 12:58:44 2015 No.2262245 >>2262136 A painting is itself an interpretation. Even realistic ones. Copying an interpretation is a waste of time. Copy real life. You'll learn much more about interpreting things this way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:24:24 2015 No.2262258 File: 362 KB, 1152x864, Hola.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] plop

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 13:25:44 2015 No.2262259

>>2262136
It's better to draw directly from life because you will have a lot more information to work with and you will learn more because of it (basically translating 3d to a 2d plane). I wouldn't agree with that it's a waste of time though cause you will still improve on proportion and value when copying from paintings or photos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:09:11 2015 No.2262384 File: 689 KB, 3264x1326, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Peter Han is fucking me up, any advice? One of my recent attempts

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:15:38 2015 No.2262388 >>2262384 >advice on drawing lines Stick with it, good lines are mostly mileage and concentration. And draw with your shoulder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:42:41 2015 No.2262410 >>2262245 >copy Don't copy anything Master studies are incredibly useful though and many artists far better than yourself do master studies. It can show you how others handle the medium and how they simplify forms >>2262259 Should do both

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:55:53 2015 No.2262419 >>2262388 I see myself fucking that up though. And I'm not too sure where my problem lies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 16:56:07 2015 No.2262420 File: 183 KB, 539x662, teutonic knight.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] thoughts on this please

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:01:04 2015 No.2262424 >>2262420 itty bitty baby arms

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:10:26 2015 No.2262437 >>2262420 the scalemaille looks very flat. >>2262424

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:31:42 2015 No.2262449 Today in my class we were drawing self portraits with mirrors. The light was so scattered that there were very few shadows on my face and I had no idea how to shade it and where to put which values. Any tips?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 17:41:19 2015 No.2262456

>>2261983
What >>2262155 said. I'm only using a Pentel 0.5mm. I do plan on picking up a couple HB pencils and a blending stump sometime soon tho.

>>2262023
Thanks for the imput! I did initially try to do just the shading, but it looked nothing like a drape. Then I decided to add a few construction lines and with shading got it to resemble somewhat like drapery, but as you can tell it doesn't have nearly the dimension that the reference photo had. I'll try again/keep working at it and try a few more drapery studies!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:14:19 2015 No.2262481 >>2262420 Gesture and pose are extremely stiff, arms are way way too short.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:26:13 2015 No.2262495

>>2262419

Just focus on your shoulder and arm and try ro make small adjustments in your movements untill you get more consistent lines.

But i wouldnt do it endlessly, if i were you. Maybe youre into that kind of thing, but i cant do an exercise more than an hour without starting to go a little crazy. Especially just drawing lines or simple forms. If you are in a rut with it and youve been going for a while, maybe break off and draw some life studies, or some anime or whatever youre into? Work on your contours, proportions, shading, then come back to doing some more straight lines as a break from the other stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:37:14 2015 No.2262505 >>2262495 Thanks, I-I'm trying to fix my chickenscratching problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:38:03 2015 No.2262507 File: 152 KB, 800x800, Untitled-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm sorry handsome goat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:55:18 2015 No.2262523 File: 130 KB, 900x653, img122.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261762 any feedback please? (both the goat and this)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 18:56:14 2015 No.2262525 >>2262523 stop chicken scratching when you draw

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:00:21 2015 No.2262532 >>2262523 The pot is drooping to the left. Try inverting the drawing on the computer, or looking at the back of the paper, holding the drawing against the light to notice these inconsistencies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:02:10 2015 No.2262534 >>2262532 Or look at it against a mirror.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:07:55 2015 No.2262545

>>2262532
ouch, just looked at it against the light and itc quite fucked. what can i do to avoid it in the future? i have to say, im not doing any proper measurements, and rather try to eyeball everything by checking how things are positioned in relation to each other

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:26:42 2015 No.2262571
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>>2262545
You don't need to measure everything with a ruler, what you do is, you try to use other parts of the figure to base your proportions on. Like the sides of the handle would align to the base of the pot.

Also, do a lay in before you start drawing the figure.

https://youtu.be/AzDGO0LssEM

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Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:45:58 2015 No.2262605
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>>2262588
Gotta ask, is there actually any credibility to that guy's lessons? He seems to know his shit since he was taught by Peter Han but I wanna make sure I'm not learning bad habits.

This is the /r/artfundamentals reddit if anyone's wondering. His website is http://drawabox.com/

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 19:46:52 2015 No.2262607 >>2262605 I've been seeing that posted a lot lately.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 20:19:54 2015 No.2262666 >>2262571 thanks for the tips

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:23:00 2015 No.2262751 >>2262605 those orbs and that huge black area on the left looks like shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 21:33:19 2015 No.2262768 >>2262605 Just watch Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching and then do the usual /ic/ stuff. Do drawabox if you want the free critique.

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 22:01:59 2015 No.2262803
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>>2261633

Hey, last thread I complained about there not being a good OP for beginners to look up, instead of this just serving as a critique thread. Some on-demand links in the OP could be good.

I found THIS:

http://drawabox.com/

And THIS:

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=E06DB73ECC23E4EF!679&ithint=file%2codt&app=Word&authkey=!AD8ifQUs5NTi40Y

What do you all think? Worthy of being put in the OP for guides beginners can do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 22:04:23 2015 No.2262806 >>2262605 >>2262803 what is this drawabox shilling going on?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 23:43:22 2015 No.2262883 >>2262806 Drawbox is pretty informative, and 100% free

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 23:46:32 2015 No.2262886 >>2261633 >>2261762 AsRiEL DrEemUR

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 23:47:02 2015 No.2262887 >>2262883 How about from someone who isn't being paid to talk it up?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 23:50:00 2015 No.2262890 File: 48 KB, 549x415, Doodle shape character #1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't really draw. How the fuck do I start? Basic shape drawing right?

Anonymous Mon Oct 26 23:50:55 2015 No.2262894
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>>2262887
DrawABox.com is one of the leading Draw a Box websites around. There are tutorials covering all your basic weeaboo needs such as: circles, lines, perspective, anatomy, and of course boxes!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 26 23:51:09 2015 No.2262896 >>2262887 Shitposting is unhealthy for you, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 00:37:22 2015 No.2262929 >>2262887 >free service >paying people to advertise how is this a good business model?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 06:13:42 2015 No.2263053 Does anybody have a good website to get refrence poses from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 06:48:01 2015 No.2263066 >>2262523 Don't do so many lines for well-defined, smooth, artificial shapes. Think more mechanical design for man-made objects.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 06:50:20 2015 No.2263068 >>2262929 Generating traffic then selling the domain. Think of it as an investment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 08:05:34 2015 No.2263099 Why is the peter han dynamic sketching video #2 in the MEGA different from the one on youtube?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 08:20:05 2015 No.2263109 >>2263066 zou are right, itd be better, but the problem is, im not confident with my lines, so i end up guessing them making it look messy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 08:26:28 2015 No.2263111 File: 2.24 MB, 2592x1944, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] no references a-am i at least on the right track?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 08:29:36 2015 No.2263114 File: 2.71 MB, 1944x2592, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] no references a-am i at least on the right track?

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 08:56:31 2015 No.2263122

>>2261697
Pose is to stiff, needs more exaggeration and form definition.

>>2263114
No.
Your figures are a stiff blobby mess with bad form and terrible foreshortening.
Learn how to draw basic forms and how to apply it to constructing a figure, gestures against stiffness and lots of figure-drawing and studying to get a feeling for proportions and anatomical landmarks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 08:58:55 2015 No.2263123 >>2263114 > no references No you're not on the right track

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 09:09:29 2015 No.2263126 File: 2.87 MB, 1200x1200, Untitled-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My latest figure studies. I know I need to work on heads, hands, and feet, but are there any other blatant errors I should correct?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 09:28:14 2015 No.2263136 >>2263126 These are nice! Try drawing from life, you'll learn way more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 09:43:13 2015 No.2263142 Is the width of the parts of the body also determined using the head?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 09:44:11 2015 No.2263143 File: 31 KB, 456x320, JUST.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw I have a tendency to press down too hard when drawing

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 09:52:10 2015 No.2263145 File: 33 KB, 317x400, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2263143

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 10:12:45 2015 No.2263162 File: 1.05 MB, 1224x1632, 20151027_141036.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are there good exercises to get better values? Also dont worry i will study hands next

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 10:49:21 2015 No.2263187 File: 223 KB, 600x803, woman-profile-resized.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've started reserving 1 hour a day to draw and I'm hoping to bump up that number in 2 weeks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 10:54:42 2015 No.2263195 Why is it that certain folks dislike Loomis?

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 11:02:49 2015 No.2263199

>>2263195
There are many options and not everyone responds to the same thing. For example Loomis is more analytical and vilppu is more intuative, personally i like a combination of both. I start with feeling out the form (Villpu) and then firm it up with my knowlege of anatomy, proportion and perspective (loomis)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 11:17:34 2015 No.2263205 >>2263187 K

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 11:48:50 2015 No.2263235 So how the hell did sinix get good in like 2 years?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 11:57:30 2015 No.2263245 >>2263235 2 years is a long time if you work hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 12:33:30 2015 No.2263264 >>2261633 Oh wise one

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 15:30:45 2015 No.2263457 File: 113 KB, 747x797, primitivepaint.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] study from the last thread. Are my primitives ok...? Any tips? I didn't have the force of will, nor the skill to render all the cloth.

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 16:10:28 2015 No.2263513
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Thoughts? Is it as bad as I feel like it is? I don't know whether I should bother going on with this and cleaning it up, or if I should just start over. I've drawn the eyes three times but I can never seem to get it right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 16:15:11 2015 No.2263519 File: 275 KB, 640x1136, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How shit is my painting?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 16:20:11 2015 No.2263524 >>2263519 Where is the painting?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 17:07:45 2015 No.2263553 >>2263513 Everything is slightly off. So if you intended to do a photocopy then redo it all. If you intend to just use the pic as a reference and abandon likeness, then keep going.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 17:15:02 2015 No.2263558 >>2261633 Using regular pencils, I can't seem to enjoy what I draw. If I switch to my colored pencils (blue & red respectively) it feel better. I feel like drawing more. Should I keep using colored pencils or is it bad habit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 17:21:24 2015 No.2263563 >>2263558 Can you get a good range of value out of your coloured pencils?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 17:32:29 2015 No.2263579 >>2263563 It's really just like any basic colored pencils you'd get from a Supermarket, they're more on the B side though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 17:37:26 2015 No.2263583 How do you go about drawing fat/plump/chubby characters (women specifically) with clothes on? Hoodies, for example, I can't seem to work out how they look under hoodies without them not looking actually chubby.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 17:42:17 2015 No.2263596 >>2262507 I like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 17:46:44 2015 No.2263602 File: 648 KB, 1400x1050, sakura.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] today's doodles

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 18:04:23 2015 No.2263622 >>2262243 >temporary NEET life >studied art >lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 18:07:20 2015 No.2263626 >>2263519 This is the best thing I've ever seen on /ic/. Thanks for making something that isn't some illustration fag jacking off all over some comic booky looking figurative shit that only teenagers appreciate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 18:40:17 2015 No.2263663 File: 2.82 MB, 2876x1738, 20151027_183618-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Back on the vilppu train. Still chicken scratching a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 18:58:38 2015 No.2263688 File: 2.05 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_4652[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Got two sketches of existing photos I want to show for constructive criticism. First one: Rick Astley.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 18:59:27 2015 No.2263689 File: 1.83 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_4653[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2263688 Second one: A cat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 19:14:06 2015 No.2263714 >>2263663 >(2.82 MB, 2876x1738) fuck off

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 19:20:30 2015 No.2263723 >>2263714 I can hear your internet groaning from here. Mine, on the other hand, scoffs at your inferior mb/s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 19:26:50 2015 No.2263733 >>2263688 Rick Astley sure looks like a nigger here

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 19:29:50 2015 No.2263734 File: 592 KB, 853x549, nig-astley.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2263733 Here's the pic I used.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 19:47:01 2015 No.2263755 >>2263723 >being this retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 19:49:42 2015 No.2263760 >>2263755 How long did it take you to download my message?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 19:50:38 2015 No.2263761 >>2263714 sorry doc

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 19:55:43 2015 No.2263768 I CAN'T OVERCOME SYMBOL DRAWING

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 19:59:22 2015 No.2263769 >>2263768 i can't either how does that even work how do i know i've overcome it when i start drawing a bunch of fucking shapes to construct a face first?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 20:12:34 2015 No.2263786 >>2263769 Using basic forms Do mannequins and shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 20:14:23 2015 No.2263789 >>2263768 >>2263769 How long have you been drawing ? Seriously drawing , that is

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 20:19:00 2015 No.2263792 Yo if I'm somewhat competent with basic form and perspective would I still benefit from stuff like Keys to Drawing and DOTRSOTB or is my basic-bitch analytical skill enough to get me by?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 20:24:53 2015 No.2263802 File: 260 KB, 603x800, Sestri por 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey guys, I could use some help with this. Something's off but I'm not sure what.

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 20:35:17 2015 No.2263817
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ive been getting back into drawing after a 6 year hiatus and i feel like i can get the shapes ok, but i suck with values. Heres a quick sketch i drew today and you can see that the shadings abysmal already. What can i do to improve? I know my index finger needs some work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 20:40:25 2015 No.2263824 >>2263802 I think it might be the eyes, they stick out heaps

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 20:50:09 2015 No.2263840 >>2263802 Nostrils are low and the flesh around them is too thin

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 20:51:28 2015 No.2263843 >>2263802 The lines under her eyes are emphasized too much, making it seem like her eyes are upside down.

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 21:02:31 2015 No.2263858

>>2263824
>>2263843
jesus christ guys her eyes arent even in perspective, have no eyelid, are grossly misplaced, no understanding whatsoever about how to draw an eye. look at the reference behind your drawing. Draw the eyes how the reference looks. Does your drawing look like the reference? no? then draw it fucking again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:05:07 2015 No.2263957 File: 2.39 MB, 2988x5312, 20151027_220100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not 100% sure what these threads are for. I saw people drawing the goat, so I tried to draw a goat. Not sure what animal I got, but here it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:08:00 2015 No.2263961 >>2263957 Resize your shit fam

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:12:33 2015 No.2263968 >>2263792 Do Keys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:13:34 2015 No.2263970 >>2263957 Resize your fucking pictures, for the love of god

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:14:09 2015 No.2263972
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I'm seriously not understanding this. Hands and feet aside where am I going wrong with my guidelines? It's it my contours too? I've made progress this month but at the moment I'm stuck in a rut and it's driving me nuts that j can't improve on where I go wrong I can't identify what's wrong.

Don't tell me loomis or learn the fundamentals please. I've already gone through that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:14:31 2015 No.2263973 File: 366 KB, 1500x2100, Goat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Forgot to resize image. Hope I fixed it. We may just end up with an army of shitty goats

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:14:35 2015 No.2263974

>>2263957
Hey, this is for posting your studies and work and getting critique on that.

While we're on that, You're symbol drawing, I don't think you're looking at the reference enough.Your perspective is lacking, it's overwhelmingly evident in the eye, but in general the entire head feels flat.

You're also misrepresenting values and not showing a wide enough range of them, relative to the reference.

You've got plenty of work to do (loomis, perspective made easy, betty edwards,the works) so keep at it!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:22:59 2015 No.2263992 Just got me the book "bridgman drawing from life". As I read along, is it okay to draw all the figures shown around the pages?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:27:08 2015 No.2263999 >>2263968 I probably will, anon, thanks I suppose. I had done part of it then went for construction stuff. Is it okay to apply constructive/analytical techniques to keys exercises or should I do strictly contour?

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:28:49 2015 No.2264004

>>2263972

>Don't tell me loomis or learn the fundamentals please. I've already gone through that.

Go through it again, because you didn't spend enough time with it

It's not something you just whizz through in a few months on your way to figure drawing. The fact you don't understand why that looks terrible is why you should be working on the basics. When you've got a good enough grasp of the basics you'll understand what you're supposed to be doing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:31:23 2015 No.2264007 >>2264004 Not that anon, but how does one go through FDFAIW 'correctly'? I've just been copying and applying techniques introduced to me page-by-page.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:34:20 2015 No.2264010 >>2264004 What exactly are fundamentalss. People always spout it out but never explain what exactly they are. Is it shapes and perspective? I don't know

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:38:52 2015 No.2264015

>>2263992

That's definitely something you should be doing with any drawing instruction book. You won't remember any of the techniques by just looking at the pictures. Just don't trace them, do it by eye and use construction techniques to make sure your drawings are accurate.

>>2263999

Depends what the exercise calls for. Usually I would say yes to construction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:39:22 2015 No.2264016 >>2262155 Thank you. While my line work is improving, I have close to no idea how to correctly shade to give the impression of volume. Are there any resources to help (obviously accompanied by a whole heap of observation and practice).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 22:54:52 2015 No.2264024 >>2264010 http://irishopp.hubpages.com/hub/how-to-draw-learn http://lmgtfy.com/?q=drawing+fundamentals

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 23:34:49 2015 No.2264061 When someone says a part of the body is in "different perspective" than the rest, do they mean that it has a separate vanishing point or straight up separate horizon from the rest of the body or what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 27 23:44:27 2015 No.2264068 File: 88 KB, 478x453, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone have a picture like this I can use to draw? I'm not gonna pose a real life human for 30-40 minutes just so I can shittily draw them.

Anonymous Tue Oct 27 23:52:21 2015 No.2264072

Am I alone in having a seriously hard time with drawing legs?

Usually when I do figure drawings I do relatively well with the upper body/arms, but the second I get to legs I fuck up royally every time. I know the usual advice is "study legs harder" but does anyone have more specific tips?
Usually my trouble spot is below the knee, and the connection with the foot fucks me up too. I know the meme of the day is 'there's no shortcuts in art' but I've found that more often than not there are tricks that make difficult subjects a lot easier to grasp.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 01:24:08 2015 No.2264100 >>2263688 Look like this one guy in high school I knew who was always stoned except covered in soot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 01:42:31 2015 No.2264110 File: 52 KB, 800x493, skulls-with-vilppu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] r8 my skull, fags

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 01:54:52 2015 No.2264116 >>2264072 I have had this issue and am only just breaking through it. The answer depends on your ability to see personal mistakes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 02:50:52 2015 No.2264146 >>2261647 also study the dictionary please

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 02:54:32 2015 No.2264148 >>2261931 I had to do this for my art class senior year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 02:58:12 2015 No.2264151 File: 25 KB, 331x271, youknowyoudo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2263143

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 02:59:51 2015 No.2264153 >>2263688 jesusfuck burn the picture please

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 03:01:45 2015 No.2264156 >>2263972 LEGS. FEET. RIBS TO WAIST RATIO. FIX THAT. Also hands.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 03:02:46 2015 No.2264158 >>2264110 Aliens.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 03:38:46 2015 No.2264166 >>2261633 I GOING TO DRAW THAT DAMN GOAT TOMORROW!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 04:23:10 2015 No.2264184 File: 366 KB, 1620x1090, stilldon'tknow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2263513 >>2263553 I decided to just redo it, was a bit more patient this time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 04:30:33 2015 No.2264190 >>2261633 Question: When drawing people from life, should I still draw the basic shapes first and then add the details, or directly draw what I see?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 04:31:42 2015 No.2264193 >>2264184 I don't know that the lips needed to be completely outlined Suggest shape

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 04:32:54 2015 No.2264194 >>2264184 Your shading on the tip of the nose: don't do the contour line on the top of the hatching, now it looks like a hole. Notice how it's a smooth curve upward.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 04:40:10 2015 No.2264199 >>2264193 >>2264194 I see what you mean, thanks for the help

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 06:54:31 2015 No.2264261 File: 718 KB, 900x852, stjfdfsd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 35 min in and I think i messed up too much to bother fixing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 07:18:30 2015 No.2264273 >>2264261 Fail at sketching/measuring stage. Nice rendering effort though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 07:25:52 2015 No.2264276 File: 305 KB, 531x617, tracing motherfucker.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2264184 no, this time you just fucking traced it dont take shortcuts, anon, try and try again until you can get it right

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 07:27:07 2015 No.2264277 >>2264276 lmaoooo

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 07:29:30 2015 No.2264279 >>2264273 Yeah, I have been only trying to get into painting for the past 2 months doing 1 or 2 studies a week. Would do more but I am a pretty busy person.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 08:31:08 2015 No.2264302 >>2263817 >What can i do to improve? Literally anything. No sense in pointing something out read the sticky.

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 08:35:40 2015 No.2264305

>Have trouble with proportions
>Study all day on it
>Proportions are still off
>Decide to figure draw for at last 2 hours a day
>7 days later go back to proportion studies
>Proportions are better than ever

Not sure how that happened, but figure drawing in general helped me a lot. I guess it really is a matter of "shut the hell up and just draw".

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 08:37:01 2015 No.2264306

>want to draw
>got a tablet everything
>spent tons of time drawing
>realised that I don't even like drawing I just wanna be good at it

anybody else? I just want to be a skilled artist, I want to be able to sketch portraits in minutes or make commissions for my friends, but I don't enjoy drawing itself

any tips? a book to read regarding this, or an essay?

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 08:41:29 2015 No.2264308
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>>2264306
>Buy a tablet
>Realize you don't like drawing

You already fucked up.
One reason as to why it's suggested not to buy a tablet is to try out drawing to see if you'll enjoy it. If you don't like to draw, then it isn't for you.

To look up more on the subject matter, read pic related.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 08:44:37 2015 No.2264309 >>2264308 I forgot to mention I already drew for months before that on paper and I really could feel myself improving. I'll check the book out, thanks.

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 08:47:41 2015 No.2264313

>>2264309
In that case, that book will help you a lot more than expected. Basically, give a strong insight on what to expect.

I'm kinda surprise said book isn't in the sticky, as I feel it's a wonderful book for any level. Huge eye openers for beginners.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 08:59:56 2015 No.2264321 >>2264313 ok, thank you

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 09:45:00 2015 No.2264356

>>2263817
Don't finger blend when you don't know how to use it effectively please. I'm not sure if that's meant to be cross hatching or hair, but it looks bad because you've just defined a giant black portion for seemingly no reason, I doubt it was that dark. Learn how to use pressure with your pencil, take care with your strokes and don't just randomly throw them everywhere. Don't hardline outline stuff if you're going to soft shade it. Read the sticky and practice from life for at least an hour a day and you'll improve.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 09:46:18 2015 No.2264358 >>2264306 When you get better, your eye/brain will get to the higher step and you'll hate being bad even when you could do portrait/commissions. You need to be liking what you're doing at the moment. You will NEVER feel "skilled enough".

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 09:47:55 2015 No.2264360 >>2263817 >tfw a miniature car runs over your hand

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 11:23:48 2015 No.2264420 >>2263789 about two weeks

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:15:52 2015 No.2264462 What are some good line and shape exercises to warm up?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:17:10 2015 No.2264463 File: 254 KB, 1280x720, 14460489800541781892656.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's some sketch I made.

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:27:04 2015 No.2264472
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I realized I didn't draw it in the same perspective as the ref, so I stopped. I found constructing the head to be challenging. I'll have time later to try again, but for now there's only this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:28:44 2015 No.2264474 File: 129 KB, 600x800, IMG_0678.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2264472 Also this is kind of how I went about constructing the head...any critique anyone has to offer on this process would be appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:30:41 2015 No.2264476 >>2264472 You actually just made the nose/mouth in different perspective. Everything else is in the ref perspective.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:42:07 2015 No.2264483 File: 1.27 MB, 800x1066, IMG_0866.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How should I improve her bony-ass?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:42:42 2015 No.2264484 >>2264472 why is she juding me? >it wasnt me beautiful goat! i swear!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:48:09 2015 No.2264488 File: 217 KB, 540x540, art piece.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey I've been drawing for 2 weeks now and I just speed painted this in 10 minutes. Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 12:49:53 2015 No.2264490 >>2264488 where's the neck fam

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:04:11 2015 No.2264503 >>2264276 I didn't trace it, I spent the whole night working on that

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:07:42 2015 No.2264504 >>2264503 >>2264503 m8, not him, but it's pretty obvious it is traced.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:08:06 2015 No.2264505 >>2264488 Kuvshinov is a hack but boy is that stuff nice to look at. Those fucking ellipses are sexy as shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:11:16 2015 No.2264509 >>2264504 I didn't fucking trace it, I worked on that for 7 fucking hours

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:15:00 2015 No.2264510 >>2264509 Then you traced it for 7 hours, fam. :^)

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:17:05 2015 No.2264512 File: 618 KB, 1200x1600, 9FRT8Xk.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm not sure how you estimate the visual center of the ellipse in step 5. Is there a more precise method for finding it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:25:40 2015 No.2264515 >>2264510 Why would I trace it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:35:29 2015 No.2264517 So what do I do? Do I have to make sure there's enough measuring errors so I don't get accused of tracing? I didn't fuck it up enough for you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:50:28 2015 No.2264527 I can't be bothered to make a viewfinder for Right Side Of The Brain. Will I still do good if I just skip it and go with Keys?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 13:53:39 2015 No.2264530 >>2264527 Just do upside down Stravinsky and move on to Keys

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:02:49 2015 No.2264532

>>2264517
Fact that you are so fucking defensive about it tells me you did in fact trace it. If you didn't trace it you should have just taken it as a compliment. Because if you didn't trace it you know it in your heart and that is all that matters. Getting accused of tracing when you didn't trace is actually positive feedback. So clearly since you are mad, you did in fact trace.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:10:52 2015 No.2264538 >>2264532 I'm defensive because I worked on a picture all night just to get fucking insulted

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:14:41 2015 No.2264541 File: 515 KB, 542x648, trace-animuted.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2264509 >>2264503 "sure"

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:16:08 2015 No.2264542 File: 507 KB, 1000x750, fuck this.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Could I get some help? I think I fucked the values while rendering.

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:29:37 2015 No.2264548
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>>2264541

The nose is wrong, the lips are wrong, the left cheek is wrong, the hair is wrong, the thing she's wearing is obviously wrong, the ear on the right is wrong, the eyes are still fucking wrong, even though I've drawn them eight fucking times, but good fucking lord I got the outside contour right and I didn't place the features all over and out of proportion like a fucking mong this time so I must've traced it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:32:30 2015 No.2264552 >>2264548 We're trying to help anon, you don't learn by tracing

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:39:41 2015 No.2264560 >>2264552 Which is why I tell people not to trace

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 14:40:53 2015 No.2264562 >>2264488 Looks like absolute SHIT

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 15:45:52 2015 No.2264631 >>2264542 it doesent look like the goat in the ref, but i like the colors!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 15:50:45 2015 No.2264638 >>2264356 that was my try at cross hatching but i stopped because it looked pretty bad. How do i show color if I suck at finger blend? I was going for a tan complexion >>2264302 Been working through it

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 15:53:58 2015 No.2264641 >>2264560 stop replying to bait m8

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 16:05:22 2015 No.2264653 hi back in grade school we used to dick around with pastels but i forgot everything about it and i want to start up again what type of pastels (including brands) should i look for? also what kind of paper is appropriate?

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 16:05:25 2015 No.2264654

>>2264306

As another anon has said, the better you get your bar will just raise anyway. It's basically the hedonic treadmill at work.

I was in the same boat as you when I started - I didn't draw for fun I drew to git gud. In my case, and I'm sure this isn't that rare, it gets more fun once you've internalized some of the fundamentals so it's not a headache laundry list of things to study. Once you're a bit more confident you can draw what you want and have more fun.

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 16:07:39 2015 No.2264660
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>can't think of anything to draw/paint
>sit and stare at blank canvas
>try to visualize a composition
>can only think of blurry tripe
>create thumbnails that are laughably bad just to have something to draw
>usually trash it before I ever get close to finishing the piece
>in the few cases where I manage to start something it's absolute shit and I trash it
>go back to practicing gesture/figure quick sketches

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 16:35:59 2015 No.2264686 >>2264660 Stop trashing your bad drawings. If you set out planning to do a finished piece, finish your piece, good or bad. And fucking keep it, too. And if you're doing digital, even really bad pieces can usually be salvaged.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 17:16:58 2015 No.2264748 >>2264530 Okay thanks. I was feeling bad because some anons here made it seems like I HAD to do every exercise in that book. I just don't want to spend money to make some plastic crap that I would only use like once

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 17:28:49 2015 No.2264767 File: 322 KB, 1800x1500, jun head.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] guys how do i make the jawline consistent? it feels like each one is way too different

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 17:41:46 2015 No.2264791
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The face is supposed to look kind of ugly.
Posted something similar in the last thread already, give me your worst mates.
>are the proportions alright? where did I fuck up?
>what looks horribly wrong overall?
>where could I improve my style?
>Does my ''style'' even look appealing in the slightest? or is it total shit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 17:57:04 2015 No.2264821 File: 1.32 MB, 1920x1080, Screen Shot 2015-10-28 at 5.52.37 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Want to do a still life "painting" every day. to practice. Whatta'ya'll think?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 17:59:05 2015 No.2264825 >>2264821 You should use construction and perspective before applying color and value to forms.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 17:59:34 2015 No.2264830 >>2264821 First get the outline right Then after the shapes are correct, get the values right You're doing digital so you have no excuse, you can easily check all your mistakes and fix them accordingly

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 18:10:46 2015 No.2264838 File: 262 KB, 602x478, 2015-10-28_22h10_20.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Comment?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 18:12:19 2015 No.2264842 File: 125 KB, 460x505, goat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261633 working on goat

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 18:15:11 2015 No.2264846 >>2264842 ayy

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 18:22:36 2015 No.2264855 File: 223 KB, 1000x750, splash2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] c/c ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 18:34:27 2015 No.2264869 >>2264855 The legs are too long

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 18:47:24 2015 No.2264884 File: 86 KB, 728x1296, IMG-20151028-WA0008.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Been working on this character.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:08:47 2015 No.2264902 >>2264855 Why is her head touching the top of the canvas? Why put her legs in the center of the piece? Do you even composition bro/

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:17:32 2015 No.2264912
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Can I get some advice please? Did a study of a statue, taken from a picture (http://img15.deviantart.net/8334/i/2010/271/d/6/a12_angel_by_articmoonsky-d2zou38.jpg))

Face seems horrible, looks like facial features may be misaligned with the head tilt. I haven't gotten how to draw/measure proper faces yet, including likeness; it's pretty hard. That's what I'll study next infact, gonna do a lot of different portraits in a row.

How are values? Some parts feel like metal instead of stone, and I'm not just talking about the lack of tear, which is mostly tedious work (I did do it somewhere, you can crit those parts for the texture); like the hair and some feathers not hit by light, especially look like metal. Not sure why.

I also most likely fucked up measuring in general, need to train the sketching stages more, another thing I can't seem to get down yet.

Anything else that's pathetic? Unfortunately I'm so dumb I can't even recognize mistakes by myself, any help is welcome.

Also, this took ~20 hours. It's probably way too much; I need to get used to painting in a more efficient way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:19:31 2015 No.2264917 >>2264902 well i've done at first a larger piece (it include the black part) and i thought that it wasn't really meaningful so i decided to make a close up on the subject "which is a kid dancing/playing above a puddle"

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:22:15 2015 No.2264921 >>2263802 1. don't line the eyes all-around black, it makes the eyes stand out in a unnatural way 2. draw some upper eyelids (use a reference) 3. the eyebrows are uneven. unless that was intentional?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:32:56 2015 No.2264938 >>2264884 loomis bitch xd lol le kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:35:19 2015 No.2264942 File: 301 KB, 1800x1500, jun head.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how am i doing?

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:37:11 2015 No.2264947
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>>2263972
her breasts and shoulders look misplaced. her pelvis is not defined, and her knees are too low. her arms lack shape and are disproportionately thin.

pic-related... i know this isn't a female reference but pay attention to the connection between the collar bones, pecs and shoulders.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:50:52 2015 No.2264955 >>2264512 Anyone?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:52:44 2015 No.2264959 >>2264942 good for a laff

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:53:39 2015 No.2264963 File: 85 KB, 1193x457, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:55:00 2015 No.2264964 >>2264959 eh? >>2264963 This is the most beautiful thing i have ever beheld with my mortal eyes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:56:19 2015 No.2264967 >>2264942 dude what the fuck are you doing

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:57:33 2015 No.2264969 >>2264912 Dont be so harsh with yourself. It's pretty good imo. The face would need some corrections, but you already spent hours on it, so I would just tell you to move on and start another. Good job tho

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 19:58:55 2015 No.2264971 >>2264967 my brain is a fuck, are you getting confused by the other heads and chicken scratching? thats not for you thats for me, only i know what the fuck they mean. im mainly concerned about the guy in the top middle.

Anonymous Wed Oct 28 20:00:47 2015 No.2264973

>>2264912
In general, it seems you are jumping to painting before learning how to draw properly.
The rendering looks pretty cool, the main problem being you made it look too shiny. For stone, the lighest value should still be darker than this. It should be more dull.

My suggestion would be to do more studies with a pencil, try to draw faces and bodies, and at the same time do quicker studies with colors. A study shouldn't take a week of your time.
The first images from this website have some cool tips for materials:
http://www.floobynooby.com/ICG/artvalues.html

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 20:05:01 2015 No.2264981 >>2264971 pls respond i need to sleep, but i need criticism so i can have nightmares to punish me for my terrible failings as an 'artist'

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 21:12:21 2015 No.2265040 >>2264981 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U review your process and try again

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 21:59:56 2015 No.2265097 File: 2.61 MB, 3264x2448, before thanksgiving 049.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261633 No bully pls

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 23:12:35 2015 No.2265200 File: 299 KB, 1000x1220, gestures.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2263187 Day 2

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 23:13:46 2015 No.2265201 File: 152 KB, 1195x2845, New Canvas2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Please critique

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 23:23:22 2015 No.2265216 >>2263602 Some of the curvy bodies are pretty appealing, shame about the weeb.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 28 23:57:53 2015 No.2265254 >>2265097 You could probably achieve some rather nice results if you shaded with the side of your pencil tip instead of just using lots of lines for shading. Perhaps give that a try.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 00:00:05 2015 No.2265256 >>2263802 Shading is too smooth, looks like a burn victim.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 00:13:57 2015 No.2265269 >>2265256 I don't know if you've ever seen a burn victim but usually "smooth" isn't a good descriptor for them.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 00:16:51 2015 No.2265274

>>2265201
Any reference? How long did you spend?
Shoulders aren't lined properly (one is up and down yet, the pose is static). Lower legs get a bit too tiny or feel flat, show some of the knee.
I think its a good start, but you need to break it down first

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 00:32:24 2015 No.2265285 File: 991 KB, 1056x1000, stjfdfse.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2264261 got bored so decided to put another half hour into it,

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 00:59:06 2015 No.2265297
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There's a lot I don't know about art in general, so I just did this slight attempt based on what I saw. I don't really have a good starting point on anything, but I'd like to focus on one aspect at a time if I could. I really want to get consistently better over time by practicing the basics over and over again so I can apply that to any of my future projects, but at this point I'm just sort of stumbling around drawing bullshit cartoons. I'm getting frustrated with myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 01:35:08 2015 No.2265319 File: 488 KB, 1772x1982, MajesticGoat-chanArtAdventures.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well that was miserable If anybody has some tips I'm all ears, I'm just throwing colour down and hoping it doesn't look awful

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 01:44:02 2015 No.2265325 File: 315 KB, 1241x1388, MajesticGoat-chanArtAdventuresRESIZED.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2265319 Meant to post the resized version

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 01:55:28 2015 No.2265331 >>2263114 You liar. You obviously referenced Jojo's characters. Don't start there if you can't do anatomy. Araki's characters are heavy on anatomy knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 01:56:30 2015 No.2265332 is the third figure that potato head from In the Aeroplane over the sea?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 02:53:24 2015 No.2265370 >>2265331 He probably did it from imagination, not like you need a reference to remember Jotaro pointing at someone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 03:19:14 2015 No.2265389 File: 716 KB, 938x1280, valuecolorstudy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 03:48:42 2015 No.2265428
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How do I approach poses like this? I'm ok when its naked, but I want to get into drawing more poses like this since I watch alot of live performances of my favorite dad rock bands.
Any tips?
By the way, its David Gilmour

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 03:56:28 2015 No.2265430 File: 468 KB, 545x598, 3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2265428 I'll post another for fun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 04:06:39 2015 No.2265436 File: 932 KB, 1024x1365, 20151029_035336.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bought a toned paper sketchbook

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 04:58:26 2015 No.2265463 File: 189 KB, 977x885, ldr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Learning proportions so didnt bother too much with linework and details - though next month is gonna be all about practising to get rid of chicken scratching

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 05:11:39 2015 No.2265476 >>2265325 Looks like you're just rushing to finish. Try taking your time

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 05:11:56 2015 No.2265477 >>2263126 Ha, I get that reference

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 05:41:27 2015 No.2265500

>>2264190
>not OP

Depends(i'll assume that you're a beginner here)

If you're at a life crawing class and you have time then construct te figure from basic shapes and watch out for the gesture (you're better off with construction than eyeballing the figure)

If you're outside sketching bypassing people (or on the train, in a cafe etc.) it depends on what you're going for:
-if you're going for gesture then just do some quick strokes to get the lines of action down.
-if you're going for anatomical studies then quickly build up the figure ftom simple abstract forms (i would suggest this for adwanced practice but you can try it anyways)
-if you want to do quick sketches of your observations then use outlines + 2-3 values (from which one is your paper)

That's how i usually go about it, don't take it as gospel - the secret is actually just going out and DOING IT
Hope it helps.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 06:29:01 2015 No.2265533 >>2265463 Clearly you didn't bother with proportions either.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 06:32:03 2015 No.2265536
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>>2265463

I know the picture of Lana Del Rey that you used as reference, I've actually drawn it before too lol..

At your stage, I suggest you draw with pencil and paper if you want to improve the chicken scratching. Drawing on a tablet is far more difficult to achieve fluid lines. Draw from your shoulder with pencil until you improve your linework.

Also, it looks like you are drawing symbols of what you think an eye, nose, and lips should look like, and not what's actually there. You have to look at the reference more carefully and observe and copy the shapes and angles, not think "not to draw an eye, and a nose, and a mouth". You can't think of it that way. That's why your features don't match the picture.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 07:06:49 2015 No.2265552
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>>2265533
rekt :'(

>>2265536
Thanks for tips - here's pic I used, she makes such a qt reference model. Started with digital due to flexibility in playing around with things, but will def. try adding some physical pen and paper drawing into my learning

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 07:10:48 2015 No.2265557 >>2262420 Change the angle of the sword to give it a more dynamic illusion of perspective

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 07:20:48 2015 No.2265568 >>2265552 I kind of take it back anon, her head looks really strange in that picture.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:18:40 2015 No.2265590 So I did about 10 pages of the first peter han drawing exercises. Are my circles/ellipses supposed to start out looking like shit? Will they suddenly improve if I draw thousands of more shitty ellipses?

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 09:46:34 2015 No.2265658
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>>2265590
They will if you try to draw better ones.
Think of it like jerking off, you use your whole arm, not just the wrist.

Don't try to draw perfect clean circles, something like pic related is fine at your stage

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:43:22 2015 No.2265742 File: 320 KB, 732x981, dsdffg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] here's my goat .....is there any reason why i am so bad at copying whats in front of me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:45:33 2015 No.2265746 File: 559 KB, 750x1000, drf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2265742 tried to make corrections on what i saw wrong..

>>	Boner Thu Oct 29 11:48:40 2015 No.2265749 File: 121 KB, 1000x1000, FsihBoner2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any tips about drawing gesture?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:54:24 2015 No.2265751 File: 227 KB, 1000x1000, goatie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] rate my goat please

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:15:16 2015 No.2265760 Why doesent anybody give feedback to the goats?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:39:39 2015 No.2265782 >>2265254 Thank you, I will redo my shading.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 13:06:41 2015 No.2265803

>>2265751
You're going too extreme on your values. The ref has a lot of greys in it, not just white and black. The background of the ref is black and then all the other values are lighter, you should try to paint it this way too rather than making the background lighter and the goat darker like you did.

>>2265742
>>2265746
You proportions are really off. Try to imagine vertical and horizontal lines to compare where things are in relation to other things. Do they line up? Is one part lower or higher than another? Further to the left or right?

>>2265325
All those transparent strokes overlapping look pretty ugly. Take more care in putting down marks and try to get them more opaque or use a different brush that has a softer edge so there are not random hard edges everywhere. You can also try to vary the size of your brush more as right now everything is treated too similarly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 13:08:03 2015 No.2265805 File: 1.97 MB, 2448x3264, IMG_0186.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] first time drawing since childhood ?/10 + criticisms?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 13:35:02 2015 No.2265838 Is it just me or does drawing work out your shoulder? Do you rest your elbow on the table? Maybe my desk is too high.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 13:44:14 2015 No.2265854 >>2265805 >sticky/10 its shit, everything is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 13:45:08 2015 No.2265856 File: 502 KB, 1000x1000, goatie2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2265751 here, have I improved?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 13:50:54 2015 No.2265865 File: 45 KB, 800x500, head construc pract 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] trying to do some practice on heads/faces. how am i doing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 13:51:17 2015 No.2265866 >>2265856 I'm just crawling and way worse than anyone here, but I dig it even though it probably isn't good. Got a nice vibe to it

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:07:57 2015 No.2265885

>>2265476

I wasn't really finished yet, I just wanted to see what people thought about it before I put more time in. I've never really done a painting before.

>>2265803

I have no idea how to get nice brush strokes, I'm just throwing colour down and hoping it looks good. I wasn't very impressed with the result either, so thanks for the advice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:13:41 2015 No.2265892 >>2265856 Looks like a goat to me. The thumbnail looks better than the actual picture though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:20:10 2015 No.2265900 File: 139 KB, 873x971, The Goat Motherfucker.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] That's a handsome goat indeed

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:27:37 2015 No.2265914 >>2265865 Think the eyes and earline bit out of whack - Proko's related youtube vids were quite informative on things to look out for, proportions in thirds, etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:34:20 2015 No.2265924 >>2265803 thanks... will try using a ruler or something straight

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:46:35 2015 No.2265937 >>2265900 Nice tracing. Enjoy remaining in the beginner zone forever, bitch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:53:50 2015 No.2265943 >>2265914 maybe move them lower?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:56:55 2015 No.2265954 >>2265854 >"its shit, everything is wrong." wow thanks edge lord

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:58:30 2015 No.2265958 >>2265937 LOL I guess I'll take it as a compliment

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 14:59:52 2015 No.2265961

>>2263457
> Any tips?
Get the force of will to actually do things or you'll never improve. That drapery is pretty bad.
You also relied way too much on rendering tools (that you cannot even use properly) instead of drawing, looks very ugly. I'd suggest, as a beginner, draw everything by hand. It'll only help in the long run.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:01:21 2015 No.2265963 >>2265954 come back when you can handle the truth. Your drawing has 0 redeeming qualities, read the sticky ya doofus

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:02:59 2015 No.2265964 File: 62 KB, 491x450, 1418058404277.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2265963 >meme post no give me constructive criticism dont go "YEAH WOW ITS SHIT XD" and nothing else

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:03:32 2015 No.2265965

>>2263769
>>2263768
>>2264420
Draw 3-dimensional shapes, in different angles.
It's that simple.

Literal mechanical drawing will help you more than art at this very initial stage.
Check out 3d-drawn schematics of simple objects, make them yourself. Do your own objects.

Then start shading them properly depending on how the shape goes.

That's about it. Overcoming symbol drawing is pretty easy, it's pretty much a "science", as you just do mechanical-like studies.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:13:10 2015 No.2265981

>>2265964
Not him, but ok, I'll try.

>learn anatomy from scratch
>learn perspective/foreshortening from scratch
>stop symbol drawing
>learn loomis from scratch
>learn form from scratch
>learn values from scratch
>learn composition from scratch

I don't know what kind of answer you want here. Everything that could be fucked up was fucked up, there isn't something particular, or something good to contrast the bad. On top of that, a fuckton of stuff is missing.

tl;dr start actually studying art

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:15:52 2015 No.2265983 >>2265964 I told you to read the fucking sticky, that alone should help you enough. Lines = bad Proportions = bad Anatomy = bad Hair = bad Perspective = bad You put in 0 effort so dont expect me to put effort in my critique

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:29:05 2015 No.2265999 >>2265981 >>2265983 >"first time drawing since childhood" i dont study art or anything, i just did it an hour ago i mean im not trying to be the greatest ever

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:30:34 2015 No.2266001 >>2265999 >Wasted trips STICKY T I C K Y

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:33:52 2015 No.2266006 >>2265999 >i dont study art or anything >im not trying to be the greatest ever You need to at least study if you want to even be fucking passable in your attempts at pretty pictures. It was shit, you got told it was shit, don't make excuses.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:35:39 2015 No.2266009

>>2265999
Go study art then. I don't know if anyone else mentioned this, but there is a sticky for beginners.

Although, I will be nice and say it's very good for a first try. You should definitely continue and study, because if that's you with zero practice or knowledge, then I am impressed.
It is shit tho, don't misunderstand me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:36:55 2015 No.2266011 File: 865 KB, 370x281, dong spots some expansion material.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2265999 i think your in the wrong neighborhood boy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 15:36:56 2015 No.2266012 File: 638 KB, 742x1000, fkjy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2265803 redrew it again .....it looks a bit better..

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:10:05 2015 No.2266050

>>2266012

It doesn't look bad on it's own, but it is a study, and it is a failure.

Your biggest problem is measuring. You need to see how shapes relate to each other. It's all very well drawing a cute mouth, but when the mouth should be four times as tall as the eye, and it's only two, then you have a very kawai looking goat that looks shit.
People are actually really bad at determining how big something is in relation to another thing. Our eyes naturally give prominence to things we find more important. So you need to learn how to measure things, once you're really good you can maybe eyeball it and do without measuring, but you and I can't yet. In your first post you said you were really bad at copying whats in front of you. This is the reason, and it's not anything you should feel bad about, human history went centuries not knowing how to measure things. Every artist has needed to learn how to do it.

More specifics: You haven't drawn his ear properly, the shaded part comes right up to the top where you have a darker blue, his ear is flopping over, not growing out of his cheek.
In the reference the goat's horn is almost twice as long as the goat's face, not half as long.
Your horn is also half as tall as it should be, so congratulations on being proportionally out of proportion I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRJQl7KfLGY
do what this fat bitch says, and sketch out your goat, don't worry about shading or rendering it, just construct the shape for us more accurately and post it again.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:11:20 2015 No.2266051
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>>2265274
Not a study, but I am aware you can easily find identical poses. I spent 30 mins on it.

I dont know how to make it less flat, I thought if I foreshortened the legs more, it would look more 3d, but you said the lower legs are too short, unless you are referring to the upper legs. By breaking it down, do you mean pic related?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:11:58 2015 No.2266053 all i could get done today, tried to follow>>2264825 >>2264830 's advice. don't feel too great about this one

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:13:31 2015 No.2266055 File: 878 KB, 1920x1080, Screen Shot 2015-10-29 at 4.12.53 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2266053 a picture may be helpful.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:17:08 2015 No.2266062

>>2266050
>>2266012
Forgot to say, look for something you can remember as your unit of measurement.
If you're drawing a person say, you measure his head, then use that to see how tall he is. Then you draw your oval head, then use the height of the head on the page to count out how tall he should be.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:24:12 2015 No.2266070

>>2266055
You have a problem with measuring too.
It's easy enough to fix with practice, don't get disheartened, although I should say doing a painting every day might not be the best idea, I tried it once and I found myself rushing the sketch to get to the painting. Just do one thing at a time.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 17:02:22 2015 No.2266122

>>2266062
thank you sooo much i will practice measuring ... i realized its more important for me to learn that for now well after lots of erasing and what not ...also the ear yeah i figured that was way off

>>2266070
about the painting your right....i painted alot and well look how much fail i got going on but I'll learn

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 17:08:59 2015 No.2266132
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>>2261633
I have absolutely no idea how to properly copy what I look at.

The fur is especially overwhelming and I don't know where to start nor do I think I have the patience for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 17:48:03 2015 No.2266186 File: 784 KB, 798x571, konichiwa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] wherg

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:05:49 2015 No.2266315 NEW THREAD >>2266313 >>2266313 >>2266313

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:02:02 2015 No.2267001 File: 2.86 MB, 3264x2448, goat 012.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2265782 Final Attempt

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 05:11:27 2015 No.2267290 >>2265999 That's why I suggested you go study. This ain't a board for "U DID GUD ENUF FOR NOT KNOWING ANYTHING" circlejerking, you can go do DA for that.

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