/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2257734]

What are the worst habits you can get into other than being a little bitch and not practising? Mostly asking about drawing but anything else as well I would like to know.

[Anonymous No.2257741]

>>2257734
> other than being a little bitch and not practising?

The opposite end of the spectrum where you constantly practice but never apply it to what you really want to do.

[Anonymous No.2257745]

Always do stretches with your arm, wrist, and upper neck

Prevent carpal tunnel at all costs.

[Anonymous No.2257747]

never start shitposting or itll ruin your life

[Anonymous No.2257748]

Practicing the same thing
Over and over and over again

Waiting to master one fundamental before moving on to others

[Anonymous No.2257756]

>>2257734
Becoming a muh style fag

[Anonymous No.2257763]

>>2257748

That's bullshit. I have sketchbooks (100 pages each) filled with hundreds of straight lines per page, which was the only thing I did, other than midpoints, for SIX months. It dramatically improved all of the drawings I made that weren't specifically made with "straight lines", including softer rendering exercises, curved lines, discontinuous lines, etc.

To anyone worried that it's wrong to just practice one thing- DON'T. If you are ACTUALLY putting a lot of effort and concentration into that one thing, it will apply to others.

Don't be a jack of all trades because guys like this say you should. No one is able to pick up all the skills they need to at once. Eventually they will come together WITHOUT you having "forced" yourself to learn them all at the same time.

>>2257745
this.

No one gives a shit if you have fun making wrist drawings when you need to (details) or if you're just working on a smaller format. But for the love of god, when you're practicing the basic, STAND UP, AND DRAW WITH YOUR SHOULDER. Don't hunch yourself over a drawing while drawing at the dinner table. You're going to ruin your neck and your wrist.

[Anonymous No.2257767]

>>2257763

what should i be drawing on then and what size drawings should I be doing? So far I have been using an 8x11 spiral sketch diary thing and though I know I need to use my arm use my wrist more than I should.

[Anonymous No.2257768]

>>2257763
I always draw hunched over :( is it really that bad anon?

[Anonymous No.2257807]

>>2257768

Yes, you're going to start having back problems before 90% of the people who were born in the same year as you, including hunchbacks. Stand up and draw with an erect spine. It's healthier and you'll make stronger drawings that have more spirit. Precious limp wristed dinner table anime gestures don't compare to wall sized shoulder gestures, gestures you made with a piece of charcoal you claimed from the burnt remains of your enemies.

>>2257767

I use 8x11 and I still draw with my shoulder. Nail that shit to a wall and start drawing. That's not a joke. Do you have a yard? A spare tree? A tarp? An old rag? Do you have any old pieces of plywood? Do you live near a dump? Do you live near people who want to get rid of old plywood? Use your resources. Lean the plywood against your garage and pin the sketchpad to it so you can have a vertical surface, and draw on the tiny paper. Because it's tiny it will be a handicap and you'll need to learn more control about speed because you risk going off the edges much faster than with a giant mural sized surface. You think you're at a disadvantage, WRONG, the handicap will make you a better draftsmen. Convenience makes people weak, and if you can overcome your limitations of small paper, you will be a better draftsmen than those who had 5'x10' size paper. If there's a will there's a way.

[Anonymous No.2257808]

>Drawing too small.
>Always drawing so your faces always face the same direction

[Anonymous No.2257822]

>>2257808
>always drawing so your faces always face the same direction

This is true. Only weak artists do this.

Here is an example of what strong artists do with the faces of the people in their composition. Notice how dynamic each composition is? Notice how the faces guide that dynamicism?

>Drawing too small

Buy Goya...

[Anonymous No.2257849]

>>2257734
not being too hard on yourself

[Anonymous No.2257885]

>>2257807
Different anon, but fuck I'm always drawing on a dinner table. What are some alternatives to avoid hunching my back over when drawing?

[Anonymous No.2257898]

>>2257741
This

[Anonymous No.2257911]

>>2257763
May I see your work, anon? Just curious.

[Anonymous No.2257920]

>>2257734
Reading this

[Anonymous No.2257924]

>>2257807
wait so is drawing on a vertical surface (wall) better than a diagonal one like on an easel?

[Anonymous No.2257939]

>>2257885
Get an easel or a makeshift one. At the very least you should be aware of your posture and correct hunching as soon as you notice it. You should be getting up, stretching and walking a tiny bit every 20 min or so. Keeping a tall glass of water nearby is an easy way to force this as you'll have to get up to grab more water or to pee anyway.

Don't be hunched over for long periods of time - bad for your back and it constrains your arm movement. Do what it takes so that you can draw with good posture.

Different anon btw

[Anonymous No.2257943]

>>2257924
I don't think they're functionally very different. An easel can be angled so that it's pretty close to vertical anyway. A drawing on a flat vertical surface means you'd need it around eye level to minimize distortion. A drawing on an angled surface means it'd need to be placed lower than your eyeline, and you'd have to look downwards a bit to minimize distortion. If the easel is near vertical then this is practically negligible.

[Anonymous No.2257946]

>>2257763
>I have sketchbooks (100 pages each) filled with hundreds of straight lines per page,
>which was the only thing I did, other than midpoints, for SIX months.

what the fuck

[Anonymous No.2257949]

>>2257885
you can put a board against the edge of the table and let it rest on your lap.

[Anonymous No.2257950]

>>2257885
you can put a board against the edge of the table and let it rest on your lap

[Anonymous No.2257952]

>>2257885
you can put a board against the edge of the table and let it rest on your lap.

[Anonymous No.2257954]

>>2257885
Get some kind of drawing board you can put on the table.

[Anonymous No.2257974]

>>2257763
I think that anon implied something else. There's those who draw the same thing over and over again and never learn. However, if you draw something, see whats wrong, draw it again, repeat 15 more times, you will see improvements on your overall work.

But I think too many people fall into that cycle where they keep drawing something over and over and can't see what they are doing wrong, and thus they stagnate.

[Anonymous No.2258036]

>>2257763
>It dramatically improved all of the drawings I made that weren't specifically made with "straight lines", including softer rendering exercises, curved lines, discontinuous lines, etc.
Or you could have learned that by doing construction/perspective exercises, you know.

Doing something actually useful with those lines sounds like a more efficient exercise than just laying down lines...

[Anonymous No.2258184]

>>2257763
Since this is all anecdotal post you're art so we can laugh at how bad you are.

[Anonymous No.2258195]

>>2257763
>I have sketchbooks (100 pages each) filled with hundreds of straight lines per page, which was the only thing I did, other than midpoints, for SIX months.

Post your lines.

[Anonymous No.2258222]

>>2257763
Don't mind the other anon, we won't laugh at you. But do post your work so we can judge for ourselves. Don't worry about unjust criticism. Your work will speak for itself.

[Anonymous No.2258427]

>>2257741
I have an issue with this, I don't really understand how to apply the things I've learned to actual drawings

[Anonymous No.2258696]

>>2258427
Just draw the stuff you enjoy while trying to focus on applying what you've learned. At first it's going to be a nightmare but you'll slowly get it.

>>2257734
Not getting critique and getting into bad but comfy habits. One example would be to apply all the focus on rendering and details, while neglecting the general form.

Practice should include critique as well as complete pieces rather than loads of studies and sketches on their own.

[Anonymous No.2258715]

>>2257763
>tfw you're losing sensation in your index finger, and you feel pins when you grip your pen

[Anonymous No.2258745]

>>2257911
>>2257946
>>2258184
>>2258195
>>2258222

I understand it might seem extreme or unrealistic to do as I have said. As one of you pointed out, "why not just learn how to draw straight lines through construction exercises" rather than in isolation. I agree with that person, and would encourage other people to practice in that way as well. I am changing my position and do not think it is acceptable to just practice drawing straight lines in isolation. Learning should be a holistic process, for similar reasons that compound exercises are recommended on /fit/. I apologize for the confusion and distraction I have created.

[Anonymous No.2258775]

>>2257952
I do this. I set up a light box against my desk & put a board on top to draw on.

[Anonymous No.2259753]

>>2257952
>>2257954

Sorry for the late replies, but thanks anons!

[Anonymous No.2259763]

>>2258745
What I want to know is who the fuck is going around the web telling newbs line exorcises are where it's at.

[Anonymous No.2259766]

>>2257920

Can confirm

[Anonymous No.2259791]

>>2258745
You need to practice at least 2 years worth of straight lines to begin to draw like Frenden

[Anonymous No.2261550]

My worse habit is being to critical of my work and always seeing problems with it which makes me always feel a piece isn't done

[Anonymous No.2261624]

heroin

[Anonymous No.2261654]

>>2257920
I bought this book many years ago. I still have it in my basement. No regrets tbh