Crow God

[Anonymous No.2214160]

Anyone better than this guy?

[Anonymous No.2214161]

>>2214160

[Anonymous No.2214162]

>>2214161

[Anonymous No.2214173]

Just a bunch of lame, generic fantasy art.

[Anonymous No.2214179]

>>2214173
lol whats wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.2214182]

>>2214160
it's pretty good, but definitely not to the point where you're allowed to ask "anyone better than this guy".

[Anonymous No.2214185]

>>2214182
you have yet to provide someone better than him though.

[Anonymous No.2214189]

I wish people stop using those lame as fuck ridiculous brushes. It's like the retarded son of the shiny 2007 digital brush style.
Even Blizzard airbrush looks better than this bullshit texture.

[Anonymous No.2214192]

>>2214189
>lame as fuck ridiculous brushes
which ones do you mean?

[Anonymous No.2214194]

>>2214189
Yeah, wtf are you talking about. Looks like a typical chalk brush.

[Anonymous No.2214197]

Wei Feng

[Anonymous No.2214199]

>>2214197

[Anonymous No.2214200]

>>2214199

[Anonymous No.2214202]

>>2214192
This >>2214162

>>2214194
>typical chalk brush
Exactly. I see that shit too much around lately. Faggots think that looks "so trad and classy" when actually looks like shitty half-assed crap.
This one >>2214161 looks ridiculous, same crappy trad hack brushes blured as fuck and her neck and head it's all wrong.

[Anonymous No.2214208]

>>2214202
lol
>implying that matters

[Anonymous No.2214211]

>>2214197

QUESTION how did he paint that temple? did he use perspective grids? reference? traced? kronprinzed it?

same for pic related, buildings look so good when drawn/painted correctly but it looks like an autistic as fuck thing to draw.

[Anonymous No.2214217]

>>2214208
Finishing Quality matters, always. This >>2214199 is a masterpiece. This >>2214162
is a half-assed piece of crap. I don't want unfinished hacked shit, As a consummer I want quality art.

[Anonymous No.2214219]

>>2214211
Yeah, pretty simple with a grid, just have to align all the features within it. For stuff that's further away or no to dramatic, the side vanishing points are just really far away, off the canvas.

[Anonymous No.2214221]

>>2214185
just from the top of my head juan ria is already better ten him, I could go on, but don't really want to lose time talking instead of drawing.

[Anonymous No.2214225]

>>2214160
Obligatory
>It's even for the same game god damn it

[Anonymous No.2214226]

>>2214217
lol
you know people look at this at a card size right?
if anything you would have to blame the ad lol

[Anonymous No.2214235]

>>2214225
Yup, Ruan is ten times the level of all the asian render whores who try to ape his style

[Anonymous No.2214265]

More ruan jia feminine blurry desaturated faux animu clones

[Anonymous No.2214270]

>>2214161
Is it me or is that neck fucked

[Anonymous No.2214283]

Made my dick hard.

[Anonymous No.2214289]

>>2214283
Those are some well painted feet

[Anonymous No.2214293]

>>2214265
this tbh

[Anonymous No.2214301]

>>2214235
Zhong Fengshua and Yang Qi come pretty close to his skill. Not rendering wise, but they excel in other areas.

[Anonymous No.2214332]

>>2214211
>same for pic related, buildings look so good when drawn/painted correctly but it looks like an autistic as fuck thing to draw.
Dude, what? Open a book on perspective. This stuff is basic, it literally doesn't get simpler.

[Anonymous No.2214333]

>>2214199
>>2214200
Damn, these are beautiful. I hope I can learn to paint that well.

[Anonymous No.2214349]

>>2214160
If we're talking fantasy, no one beats Boris Vallejo. No one.

[Anonymous No.2214351]

>>2214349
>no one beats Boris Vallejo. No one.
Topkek. Even his own wife beats him out, and she's nothing special.

[Anonymous No.2214356]

>>2214351
lolololol how about no. all of her shit sucks, most of her good stuff was actually a collaboration effort with her husband

[Anonymous No.2214360]

>>2214349
I don't dislike his art because he tried to copy Frazetta, but because he copied all the the wrong things. Technically his anatomy is better, but it just goes to show that you can technically do everything right and it still won't matter because your art is boring to look at.

[Anonymous No.2214362]

bretty gud; never heard of him before. where do you guys find ching chongs now that cghug is kill?

>>2214211 painting buildings isn't very difficult at all it's just geometric forms in perspective.
nothing about the pagoda in
>>2214197
leads me to believe it's traced/3d. especially since the perspective is off in a couple of spots

the image you posted is even easier

[Anonymous No.2214364]

>>2214351
How the fuck can you say that, anon? Am I getting trolled?

[Anonymous No.2214368]

>>2214360
>because your art is boring to look at.
You do realize most of his and her work was commissioned for novel covers, right? There's a limit to certain creative perspectives, angles, and content when it's going to be printed on a tiny paperback novel.

[Anonymous No.2214369]

>>2214360

I'm pretty sure Frazetta had a far better understanding of anatomy than Vallejo has, but Vallejo copies models, whereis Frazetta drew his figures from imagination, with very strong exaggerated gestures underneath the painting.

[Anonymous No.2214374]

>>2214360
>because he tried to copy Frazetta
You hipsters always call it "copying" when you want to paint someone in a bad light, but when you attempt to emulate admired artists, you call it "referencing."

[Anonymous No.2214404]

>>2214369

Frazetta is in Scott Eaton gallery abominate

[Anonymous No.2214410]

>>2214368
>You do realize most of his and her work was commissioned for novel covers, right?
As was Frazetta's. Mostly cheap fantasy/sci-fi and comic books in the 50s-70s. Nearly all of his work is commercial illustration.

>>2214369
Frazetta is the master of feet hiding. Once you realize this fact you can't unsee it in his paintings.

>>2214374
Let me rephrase it then, I don't dislike his art because he tried to emulate Frazetta, I dislike it because he emulated all the wrong things. I said copy because it's a surface level re-creation of many of the tropes that Frazetta's art brought to the fantasy genre, but lacking the visual punch and vitality due to over-rendering and poor taste.

[Anonymous No.2214421]

>>2214410
>re-creation of many of the tropes that Frazetta's art brought to the fantasy genre
because they're both painting representations of fantasy novels. of course it will have overlapping content.
>lacking the visual punch
i disagree
>over-rendering and poor taste
you, sir, have poor taste

[Anonymous No.2214433]

This thread is godamn hilarious.
All you assholes are sitting around trying to talk about art like you have some deep intellectual understanding when most of you haven't even so much as taken an art history class, or even an art class. you just get all this secondhand "knowledge" from youtube videos and gumroads. You seriously think your criticisms of the work of these accomplished artists means something, like anyone should listen to you when you're a literal nobody, an anon in every sense of the word, as if you seriously know better than these renowned artists, but anyone who actually did know better'd be the one being trash talked here instead of participating. This right here, this false sense of elitism from people couldn't draw their way out of a wet paper bag is THE punchline of the joke that is /ic/.

[Anonymous No.2214438]

>>2214433
>this false sense of elitism from people couldn't draw their way out of a wet paper bag
You fit right in.

[Anonymous No.2214448]

>>2214438
Trust me, I don't lol

[Anonymous No.2214450]

>>2214448
post your work.

[Anonymous No.2214452]

>>2214448
>Trust me
I don't, lel

[Anonymous No.2214472]

>>2214450
>>2214452
You're missing the point, just like all the d/ic/ks here always do. It's not about how good I am, it's about the reason I got where I am. That reason being humility. Instead of pretending to objectively know everything about art and thinking I was too good to listen to criticism I learned from people who were better than me and took critiques whenever I could get them, from professional artists and art directors. That's why I got my first professional illustration job when I was only 19 and continued from there. I don't fit with the rest of you because I strive to actually learn whereas all your heads are too full of ego to take in any actual knowledge. You all talk about the dangers of a hug box but the echo chamber of arrogance when hardly any of you are successful in any capacity is just as bad. I could do more to try and convince you, but over the years I've realized most of you will never get it, so I just come here to laugh at you.

[Anonymous No.2214473]

>>2214472
>talking about humility while looking down on others in the same breath

lmaoo

[Anonymous No.2214475]

>>2214472
>humility
Both of your posts lead me to believe you're not actually familiar with the term.

[Anonymous No.2214478]

>>2214473
>>2214475
I'm not being humble with you guys because it doesn't matter. I've been here a few years and have tried every tack to open eyes around here. But you all would rather wallow in negativity, in fact it's the only thing you respond to, which is why these bashing threads are so frequent and full. Whether I tried to quietly suggest you all learn from those before you and try to do better, or shout it from the rooftops chock full of swearing, none of you will get the message, but you'll only hear it if I do the latter. At first I was annoyed by this trend but now I just find it funny. Anyway I've got to get going, because I have a deadline to meet in a couple hours. It's been a fun break though guys, really you crack me up.

[Anonymous No.2214480]

>>2214270
i noticed it to right after posting (op)

[Anonymous No.2214481]

>>2214472
This is why I love /ic/.

[Anonymous No.2214483]

>>2214433
>Implying that you can't be knowledgeable about art history & art without taking classes
>Implying an artist is good because he's famous (argumentum ad populum)
>Implying that everyone posting here is a bad artist and automatically has an invalid opinion in the same sentence you accuse everyone of elitism

>>2214472
>All this projection

For the record I got a perfect score on the art history exam at college, but it's completely irrelevant to why Frazetta > Boris so I didn't see a reason to bring it up. I've had this argument 1000 times with an art buddy who's really into Boris. One doesn't have to be on your godly level of philosophical knowledge of art, humility and life to realize Frazetta's brush strokes are looser and more energetic and that Boris overrenders and makes cheesy lighting/color decisions.

[Anonymous No.2214487]

>>2214478
>just because I'm not being humble right now doesn't mean I'm not in general
Alright bud, keep making your sweeping generalizations, whatever makes you feel justified in being just as shitty(referring to your character here, not your ability) as those you claim to be better than.

[Anonymous No.2214519]

>>2214478
oh god why did you remind me that Before Watchmen exists.

Time to shit.

[Anonymous No.2214598]

>>2214478
>Anyway I've got to get going, because I have a deadline to meet in a couple hours. It's been a fun break though guys, really you crack me up.
This never gets old

[Anonymous No.2214747]

>>2214221
"I don't want to lose time typing 2 more words when I've wasted all this time typing 40"

[Anonymous No.2214751]

>>2214217
I think you mean you want everything to be autistically rendered out from every crevice on the surface to 100 different speculars

[Anonymous No.2214788]

>>2214270
She's one of the owl people

[Anonymous No.2214790]

this board needs to die

[Anonymous No.2214811]

>>2214265
I like how literally anything eastern is considered as "anime" on /ic/

[Anonymous No.2214914]

>>2214332
Yeah sure that ill do it OPEN A FUCKING BOOK ON PERSPECTIVE ... Dude, smell the coffe man... or show something of yours to support some semblence of a point you are trying to make... skill is skill irrelevant of how you can get it, when it is demonstrated suck the awesomeness and stfu(no offence), i get that everyone has potential but these guys take it to a whole other level... ok! study them and deconstruct them and then you are answering some question..demolish your arrogant beliefs about learning from peoples works and you may get better,hold them dear and you will be as good as a man who will have for his master a fool ... himself when unskilled.B.Franklyn
I say this out of love and speaking to my self as well... i am not without a toxic measure of arrogance myself
>>>

[Anonymous No.2214918]

>>2214472
Heheheh yeah bruh !!
Now post some of your work and top it heheh

[Anonymous No.2214940]

>>2214410
>Frazetta is the master of feet hiding.

The very painting you posted shows he's perfectly capable of drawing and painting them. What Frazetta is a master of is grouping shadows together and Feet and legs tend to often bleed into the shadow or detail cluster of the ground plane in his paintings as a compositional tool. There are tons of paintings and drawings of his where feet are showing though.

This noob statement that whenever a great artist doesn't draw 100% of the human body visible at all time, he's "hiding" something is utterly ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.2214942]

>>2214940
>This noob statement that whenever a great artist doesn't draw 100% of the human body visible at all time, he's "hiding" something is utterly ridiculous.

Yea it really only should be used on beginner work

[Anonymous No.2214948]

>>2214811
you don't get ironic jokes do you? stop posting on taiwanese imageboards

[Anonymous No.2214972]

>>2214179

It's not as unique, artistic and genius as the shlock /ic/ pumps out, obviously.

[this one is better No.2214998]

Sure this guy is way better, pic related (kr0npr1nz)

[Anonymous No.2215000]

Forgot this guy:

http://genzoman.deviantart.com/

[Anonymous No.2215017]

>>2215000
>genzoman
A one trick pony whose skills have stalled for years.
Protip: Don't become a pageview whore

[Anonymous No.2215020]

>>2214998
>>2215000
>>2215017


Joke----------------->

(Your head)

[Anonymous No.2215027]

what about algen? he has the technical skill...

[Ic´s pimp master Andrew of the(...) No.2215028]

Forgot ic´s idol "Andrew Loomis"

He´s bitches slaps Crow who can´t do traditional... fuck him and worthship the Loomis by buying the original books instead of downloading them like a poorfag.

Now fuck off this shit-hole and go drawing, use my books if you don´t know how.

Why are you still here?

Sincerely

Andrew... of the LOOMIS!

[Anonymous No.2215034]

>>2215017
protip: he is a pro, you're not. He is making money, you're not. Just shut up.

[Anonymous No.2215042]

>>2215000
God, I remember back in the day I really believed that Genzoman was quite good, What was I thinking?

[Anonymous No.2215046]

>>2215034
He's right you know.

[Anonymous No.2215053]

>>2215046
So is the anon you're responding to. Being a working pro makes it very easy to stagnate--clients demand the same things over and over, you are discouraged from experimentation or changing work flows, you are pushed in certain directions artistically, you are forced to rely on the same solutions in order to meet deadlines, and you don't have the same free time or energy to devote to self growth.

As much as I love art, I've really become pretty bitter towards commercial work since I've started living off it (around 2 years now). Nothing like being a wrist for a design-by-committee type thing that isn't interested in your input and needs it to be done in a specific way that you know is shit but will sell because it impresses plebs.

[Anonymous No.2215138]

>>2214160
>Anyone better than this guy?

Easy, tons of people.

[Anonymous No.2215140]

>>2215138

[Another one better than OP exa(...) No.2215181]

This is an american mangaka better than crow and practically all ic combined: Mark Crilley.

Prove wrong naysayers!

[Anonymous No.2215189]

>>2215181
mikufag knows more anatomy than the crilley.

[prove it No.2215205]

>>2215189

any examples of this "mikufag" that are better than the Crilley

[Anonymous No.2215208]

>>2214160
>Legend of the Cryptids
they seem to have a lot of good artists
Evan Lee is better

[Anonymous No.2215209]

>>2215208
>they seem to have a lot of good artists
That's up for debate (different tastes and such), but they do get a lot of big names working for them. It's what happens when you actually pay your artists well.

[Anonymous No.2215237]

>>2215000
>genzoman

[Anonymous No.2215255]

>>2215208
This is a fucking eyesore. People who think this embarrassing fantasy art looks good have extraordinarily bad tastes.

[Anonymous No.2215262]

what the fuck even is legend of the cryptids, a chinese TCG?

[Anonymous No.2215263]

>>2215208
Again this is exactly what I mean about halfassed bullshit. Why the fuck not to put just a little bit of extra effort to finish the image? Obviously the guy honestly believes that those retarded brushes look "cool"... No they don't. Those brush strokes looks retarded and ridiculous. This retarded trend must stop.

[Anonymous No.2215268]

>>2215262
Essentially. I think they are Japanese, but they do hire a ton of Chinese digital painters. It basically is a pay-to-play type thing (or paying helps you out a lot somehow? I've never played but know people who have). So it is easy to spend lots of money so they ended up making a fortune almost instantly and then hired any artist they wanted. A ton of big name artists have worked on it, both Asian and Western. Now though I believe they have switched to primarily an in-house model where they just have a few dedicated illustrators in a studio in Japan.

>>2215263
Letting your brushwork show intentionally in the final image has been a thing for centuries. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't valid. Do you hate Sorolla or Leyendecker for having brushwork show?

[Anonymous No.2215270]

>>2214940
He could draw feet, he just 90% of the time chose not to for no other reason than he couldn't be bothered. Frazetta's one of my favorite illustrators, I'm not trying to bash him, it's just a fact of his paintings.

[Anonymous No.2215271]

>>2215270

[Anonymous No.2215273]

>>2215271

[Anonymous No.2215276]

>>2215270
>>2215271
>>2215273
I call it the Mignola approach. Seems a lot of artists have just up an said FUCK FEET.

Also side note, but all these guys in this thread praising Boris (lel), Frazetta (yeah), but no Jeff Jones???? (S)He's clearly the superior one of the three.

[Anonymous No.2215277]

>>2215276
Was going to post some JCJ in this thread actually.

[Anonymous No.2215280]

>>2214472
>>2214478

I'd have to agree with this guy tbh.
Pretty accurate assessment of /ic/. (inb4 samefag)

[Anonymous No.2215282]

>>2215208
who passed blurr over her face though?

[Anonymous No.2215443]

>>2215276
>other Frazetta ripoff being superior to the man himself

Naw.

>>2215277
Not even good of enough to kiss the feet of Frazetta's EC pages.

[Anonymous No.2215472]

>>2215027

Not in a million years are you better than that guy algen. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.2215480]

>>2215443
Yeah it's not like Frazetta himself said Jeff was the best living painter.

[Anonymous No.2215481]

>>2215480

[Anonymous No.2215483]

>>2215481

[Anonymous No.2215487]

>>2215483

[Anonymous No.2215489]

>>2215487

[Anonymous No.2215490]

>>2215489

[Anonymous No.2216478]

>>2215027
This picture IS much more detailed than the one on OP, I really like it.

[Anonymous No.2217100]

>>2214160
>Anyone better than this guy?
Volkan Baga or Donato Giancola,for instance. Cool digital fantasy art is just the tip of the iceberg,anon.

[Anonymous No.2217101]

>>2217100
Donato and Baga are the tip of the iceberg mate. They're nothing that special.

[Anonymous No.2217154]

>>2217101
Any suggestions,then?

[Anonymous No.2217157]

>>2217100
LOL! This is a joke, right? Man I love /ic. You evil bastards.

[Anonymous No.2218007]

>>2214197
>>2214199
>>2214200
>>2214162
>>2214161
>>2214160


I wonder what drives those guys so insanely hard and I'm asking myself if there would ever be a way to adapt the same sort of mindset and discipline. I hate being this spoiled western manbaby that I am fuckkkkkkk

[Anonymous No.2218023]

>>2218007
It's partly in the culture where hard work is highly valued, and partly just up to the individual. You only see the successful asians here, but if you actually dig through asian art sites you will see there are tons of lazy artists and really shitty ones there too. There's nothing stopping you from working that hard except yourself.

I'm reminded of an anecdote from Rockwell's autobiography where a classmate came up to him and said "if I worked as hard as you I could be as good as Velazquez", to which Rockwell responds "so why don't you?".

Anyways, hard work and discipline is a skill like anything else. You can't flick a switch and suddenly have it, you need to slowly build it up over time. Start with an hour a day, then after a while go to two hours, then three, and so on until you are doing it as much as your schedule allows. This may mean giving up certain things to make more time for yourself, whether it be social outings or video games or browsing /ic/. Rigney claims he was impatient when he began, but over time he built up patience as a skill to the point where he could easily spend 200 hours on a single painting.

Also from personal experience, the easiest way to "work hard" is to have it not feel like work. If you can find a way to enjoy the process then the time will fly and you will be like "wow, I spent all day working and didn't even realize". Stop viewing art as a "grind", and see it is a path. If studies bore you, then find a way to learn that same information some other way. Maybe do an original illustration and have references on the side for things. So instead of doing spheres and cylinders of materials like you see people do (dumb exercise imo) then you will work on a painting and when it comes time to paint the materials in your image you pull up some reference and really observe it and try to implement it. It won't be as tedious as doing some boring materials exercise, but you will learn as much if not more.

[Anonymous No.2218030]

>>2218007
Easy answer. Public education and a better economy.
I've been researching the western market for a while, and I've found two main issues/walls aspiring artist have to face: the educational wall, and the technological wall.
The educational bottle neck burst a little while ago, the "Noah Bradley rant" it's a good example of the symptoms of the actual situation. Just now, there's a new thread about Marc Brunet, one of many guys making money with the hords of art students left behind by the educational corporate system.

The other wall the technological one, is about tablets. While here in /ic people ask which Wacom tablet they can afford, asians just go to the point and get a big sized chink brand and sweep the floor out of westerners with a 50buck tablet.

TL TR. They don't make it "alone", there's an economical/social/political environment helping them to conquer the global market.

[Anonymous No.2218421]

>>2215017
>for years
>clearly been following page for a long time
>tells others not to be a pageview whore

okey dokey mang

[Anonymous No.2218422]

>>2215181
Fuck can someone post some Western manga artists that aren't shit

[Anonymous No.2218439]

>>2218422
If you consider that shit, there's no hope for you.

[Anonymous No.2218510]

>>2216478
DETAILED MEANS GOOD GUYS.