/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2203152]

Are we getting worse at drawing?

[Anonymous No.2203157]

>cherrypicking

[Anonymous No.2203158]

>>2203152
This is your reply

[Anonymous No.2203161]

We have a pretty considerable number more artists that are are really good, and several orders of magnitude more artists that are garbage.

[Anonymous No.2203168]

Maybe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fxls1XrcJc

[Anonymous No.2203174]

>>2203157
/thread
fuck off OP

[Anonymous No.2203175]

>>2203168

burn everything, burn it all, bring it down

[Anonymous No.2203182]

>>2203168
How can this be real?

[Anonymous No.2203183]

>>2203168

[Anonymous No.2203185]

>>2203175
Why are you so trans-phobic Anon it's 2015 not 1945 get with the times wake up go out and smell the future.

[Anonymous No.2203192]

>>2203185

The future smells like smoldering plastic and rotting fruit

[Anonymous No.2203203]

>>2203185
it's just bad.
it's like those shitty cartoons schools use for edutainment in terms of animation quality.

the writing is fucking shit. "You showed us more crappy apartments than Bill Cosby drugged dates!" who the fuck talks like this. seriously, try saying this line out loud.

and it's all covered in a thin greasy verneer of manufactured Edginess and Topical Humor.

[Anonymous No.2203204]

>>2203203
stop responding to trolls we all know why it sucks.

[Anonymous No.2203216]

>>2203204
no you don't.
it's like those shitty cartoons schools use for edutainment in terms of animation quality.

the writing is fucking shit. "You showed us more crappy apartments than Bill Cosby drugged dates!" who the fuck talks like this. seriously, try saying this line out loud.

and it's all covered in a thin greasy verneer of manufactured Edginess and Topical Humor.

[Anonymous No.2203222]

>>2203168
Eh. It's not worse than South Park.

[Anonymous No.2203223]

>>2203222
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.2203231]

>>2203152
no, but I think we're making more people think they're good at drawing/have no need to improve, which is really bad for the reputation of art and it floods the market

[Anonymous No.2203237]

>>2203222
At least South Park has half-competent voice acting

[Anonymous No.2203242]

>>2203152
Why are you comparing a Disney animator to some random hobbyist?

[Anonymous No.2203245]

>>2203223
>my trash animation show is better because its too-good-to-take-a-stance politics resonate with me

It is you who should kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.2203247]

>>2203182
lel Peter Hitchens is my spirit animal.

[Anonymous No.2203249]

>>2203168
Something reeeeeallly disturbing about those animation movements

[Anonymous No.2203256]

Because it is no longer an useful skill for serious jobs.

Everything across all industries can be done with photos, 3D or photoshop. And if they don't they will in the future.

The time it takes to get good at drawing is not matched with the salary or job stability. Cartoons for cheap entertainment might be the only things to survive.

[Anonymous No.2203260]

>>2203168
Groundbreakingly unfunny.

[Anonymous No.2203262]

>>2203168
Groundbreakingly unfunny.

[Anonymous No.2203274]

>>2203152
Nope.

[Anonymous No.2203276]

>>2203274
What the hell, the quality of that pic is horrible. Maybe this one is better.

[Anonymous No.2203277]

>>2203256
>Because it is no longer an useful skill for serious jobs.
>Everything across all industries can be done with photos, 3D or photoshop

Yeah, totally. Jin Kim is probably scared shitless of Shaddy and Wojtek taking his job in the near future.

[Anonymous No.2203278]

>>2203277
>>2203256
p-please Shaddy, don't take our jobs!

[Anonymous No.2203281]

>>2203278
>>2203256

Mister Safadi, we hired you to explore stylized versions of Captain America that we can use for our toy chain, please stop sending us photos of Chris Evans.

[Anonymous No.2203282]

>>2203277
I know he's one of the best animators, but I never really liked Keane's style that much. I liked his design of Ratigan though.
Milt Kahl on the other hand is the best.

[Anonymous No.2203283]

>>2203277
This. 3D artists need 2D artists to set the foundation. J.K. would be able to draw that entire page by the time the 3D guy started manifesting his first 'primitives'. There's a reason storyboarding and character design is still largely 2D. 3D software simply takes too much time to manipulate, especially the smaller details.

[Anonymous No.2203290]

>>2203152
I dunno about you but I'm getting better

[Anonymous No.2203293]

>>2203277
>>2203278
>>2203281
But you're just confirming what I said you massive imbecile. Cartoons and stylization are the only uses left for drawing.

Everything else, from architecture, books, medical, marketing, concept art, animation, product design; all use newer technologies.

No one needs good draftsmen anymore except for cartoons. That's it. That's all the use it'll have from now on.

[Anonymous No.2203311]

>>2203293
Using newer technology doesn't mean you don't need draftsmanship to execute it well, you dimwit. If you can't draw, you can't design anything worth a damn. You seem to be one of those idiots who just doesn't understand that pic related is the vast majority of work that is being done by concept artists for a project, stylized or realistic. Clear designs that the 3D modelers can easily understand and work with. Photobashed visdev pieces make up maybe 5% of all concept art done for a project.

[Anonymous No.2203315]

>>2203168
it's... beautiful.

[Anonymous No.2203323]

>>2203311
For now, that is.

3D keeps evolving everyday as well as procedural algorithms. Polygon counts aren't an issue anymore, so many are skipping the planning process and jumping directly to usable 3D.

That's why precise drawing is no longer taken as a serious career path.

Consider how much things have changed in 15 years, and tell me that expertise in drawing will still land you a serious career in the next 15.

[Anonymous No.2203328]

>>2203323
That's like saying "knowledge of painting and color and light is no longer taken as a serious career path."

Drawing was never a career path you complete idiot, it's a SKILLSET that is required for absolutely everything related to representational art. The ability to draw is what allows you to visualize and create. No matter what new technology you are using, without drawing skills, you are absolutely useless as a designer, which is what concept art is all about.

Pic related for example is what a preliminary sketch of a digital sculptor looks like. Why does he draw when he could just sculpt it in Zbrush? Because drawing sketches is how you get the fucking composition, pose, idea etc down in the first place.

[Anonymous No.2203408]

>>2203274
>>2203276
>>2203328
These are worse than the Pinocchio drawing

[Anonymous No.2203412]

>>2203408

On what grounds?

[Anonymous No.2203421]

>>2203168
>Trannies, anime, ponies, minorities, angry white men

[Anonymous No.2203688]

>>2203245
well... south park is animated in maya, they chose to make it that style, and that style is hard as fuck to pull off in 3d software... while this is sheer incompetence.

>>2203283
lets go with z brush, look up 1 hour full body sculpts, someone who draws will get the concept down and they will get more work dont quicker, but the guy who sculpts it after 1 hour, they now have a figure they can pose and do whatever the fuck they want with it, and when time comes to go forward, that is the basis for all things and can be worked on.

1-2 hours, the drawer will be faster but after that, the sculpture will be faster.

that said, sculpting and drawing have very transferable skills, at least in terms of z brush.

[Anonymous No.2203694]

>>2203222
South Park is deliberately made to look simplistic and childish, you fucking retard. It was originally made with paper cutouts, long before doing it on a computer became viable.

[Anonymous No.2203742]

>>2203688
>>2203694
>muh style
>they used software that made it difficult for no reason, so it's better

These are DeviantArt-grade excuses for Newgrounds-grade work.

[Anonymous No.2203757]

>>2203168
I really like the backgroudns tho.. are they photoshoped pics or

[Anonymous No.2203946]

>>2203168
The ride never ends

[Anonymous No.2203950]

>>2203168
>Asian chick with a hair streak

EVERY MOTHERFUCKING TIME

[Anonymous No.2203983]

>>2203742
kill yourself retard

[Anonymous No.2204112]

>>2203168
>Being transgender takes balls
Wow that's really transphobic like, don't people realize that trans* people experience a lot of disphoria because of their testicles?

[Anonymous No.2204145]

>>2203323
as a programmer who works with graphic design programs I can tell you that you're full of shit.
you cannot create these amazing algorithms and such without massive knowledge of how art works in the first place. even if computers take the place of 'artists' the people who program those computers need to have the knowledge to make them take your place.

[Anonymous No.2204417]

>>2203168

[Anonymous No.2204424]

>>2204417

[Anonymous No.2204463]

>>2204417
Hey! We didn't do anything,..yet.

[Anonymous No.2204481]

>>2203742
no really kill yourself

[Anonymous No.2204482]

>>2204417
>they probably got more views from us today than they ever had
just ignore it guys, don't give them more publicity and let it die in peace.

[Anonymous No.2204483]

>>2204481
If I was as edgy as you, I'm sure I WOULD have cut myself by now.

[Anonymous No.2204484]

>>2203152
No, teachers are becoming worse.

[Anonymous No.2204486]

>>2203742
south park isn't even that bad though, it clearly does it in a sarcastic manner and wasn't intended for a mature audience.

[Anonymous No.2204489]

>>2204417
>That feel when companies are now playing the victim card to pander for money
>That feel when 4chan is just a boogey man for professional victims to get victim points
>That feel when every time it involves an artist they are shit

I don't know how much more I can feel this.

[Anonymous No.2204494]

>>2204417
>>2204489
Take notes, /ic/. This is how you get popular.

[Anonymous No.2204500]

>>2204489
>implying this is anything new
I was seeing this shit on /b/ like 7 years ago.

[Anonymous No.2204517]

>>2204489
>That feel when 4chan is just a boogey man for professional victims to get victim points

But that's 4chan's fault. We know that trolling SJWs makes them more powerful, but we like it too much to stop.l

[Anonymous No.2204518]

>>2204517

Pretty much this.

We fuel the SJW victim complex without fail. You can count on several boards on this site to constantly feedback boost those nutjobs and get them all the attention they want.

[Anonymous No.2204532]

>>2204417
>buff adult cis man is the trainwreck and portrayed as violent and intolerant
brave. witty. unique.

[Anonymous No.2204535]

>>2203408
shut your whore mouth you filthy fucking nigger

[Anonymous No.2204557]

>>2203323
Correct me if I`m wrong, but:

Computers still haven't completely replaced pen and paper.
E-books still haven't completely replaced paper books.
Digital art still hasn't completely replaced traditional art.
Internet TV and Radio still has not replaced classic TV and radio.
News websites still haven't replaced printed news.

Everything has it's place, and following your logic, Art in general isn't a serious career path, 2D or 3D.

And even if it were true, people crave 2D animation and art more than 3D, simply because 3D is everywhere, and imho 3D animation has more detail but much less style.
People want old-style 2D Disney. People want 2D comics, not those uncomfortably wonky 3D experiments. People would rather have drawn posters in their room and, paintings in their living room than some 3D render.

For sure, 3D will be continue to dominate the scene in comparison to 2D, but, more demand means more 3D arists, good and bad, which means less chance for originality and less jobs for not-top-notch 3D artists..

If you`re serious about anything and give it your best, and by best I don't mean practice for about an hour every other day, you will make a career off of it.

At least that's my stance on it...

[Anonymous No.2204564]

>>2204417
Is it wrong that I believe that a transgender protagonist was a marketing move... You know... like that shit Michael Bay pulls off in all of his movies...

[Anonymous No.2204570]

>>2204564
It's not wrong to believe it was for marketing, but it's wrong to believe that making things for marketing is bad.

[Anonymous No.2204575]

>>2204564
literally NOT AT ALL
trannies are so desperate for something that represents them, so, like furries, they're easy to target and they'll eat up anything that has a transsexual in it, even if it's bad (also like furries)

remember when everyone made a big shit about how "she-zow" is the first transsexual superhero? the creators had to clarify multiple times that the guy isn't transexual, he just puts on a girl's costume. they'll find anything

[Anonymous No.2204586]

>>2204575
>remember when everyone made a big shit about how "she-zow" is the first transsexual superhero?

Since when is /d/ everyone?

[Anonymous No.2204609]

>>2204564
Gee, the reason people hate their shitty show can't be because of its reliance on shitty pop culture references, absolutely atrocious animation, or horrible writing!

It's transphobia! Yep, definitely transphobia!

[Anonymous No.2204635]

a cartoon called me a transphobe thanks cartoon

[Anonymous No.2204644]

>>2203168
>>2204417
This is pretty mean. ):

[Anonymous No.2204649]

>>2204644
I smiled. It was like reading Bendis.

[Anonymous No.2204651]

>>2204644
Ishmael Daedelus Saltonstall honestly is a pretty cringeworthy name, haha holy shit

[Anonymous No.2204664]

>>2204417
They are literally professional victims. And not "literally" in the tumblr sense of the word.

[Anonymous No.2204667]

Op, your sense of humor was not lost on me.

[Anonymous No.2204670]

>guy types a well-thought out, serious, passive criticism of the show without bashing it
>goes into thought about how shows can be "period" shows, and may be "firsts", but that never means they're good
>points out the problem with making constant pop culture references in a comedy series
>this is their reply

Whoever's behind this stupid show is the next Dobson, I swear.

[Anonymous No.2204672]

>>2203168
I still haven't watched it and I'm never going to

[Anonymous No.2204674]

>>2204670
what a bunch of cunts

[Anonymous No.2204675]

>>2204670
>Whoever's behind this stupid show is the next Dobson, I swear.

[Anonymous No.2204677]

>>2203168
quick, someone do porn of the trans girl

and for the love of god don't use the show's art style

[Anonymous No.2204679]

is whoever manages the facebook page fucking 12

[Anonymous No.2204691]

>>2204417
>>2204644
>>2204670
>>2204679
>this is the state of the western animation industry

[Anonymous No.2204693]

>>2204670
>you're not the target audience
lol yeah stupid tumblr lgbt teens won't know the difference. good thinking genzed.

[Anonymous No.2204761]

>>2203168
And there are people who say that the anime industry is shit.

[Anonymous No.2204822]

>>2204664
>professional victims
This. These people know what they are doing. They knew full well that releasing that awful trailer would create backlash. They probably posted it here first.

[Anonymous No.2204831]

>>2204822
>muh false flag
>muh SJW conspiracy

Is it really so hard to believe that queers have no taste and /v/irgins have no self control?

[Anonymous No.2204852]

>>2204831
Yes

[Anonymous No.2204857]

>>2204691
another bullet for another western animation vs anime thread, noice.

[Anonymous No.2204858]

>Western animation

One of these words do not belong here.

[Anonymous No.2204874]

How is their animation so weak? Fucking solo animators on youtube make better shit than that. Why do they have no sense? There are so many fucking references to compare their awful crap to so that the awfulness comes to light. AM I JUST WASTING MY TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS?

[Anonymous No.2204875]

>>2203168
NO ONE HAS EVER DONE THAT

NO ONE HAS EVER DONE THAT IN THE HISTORY OF VOICE ACTING

[Anonymous No.2204885]

Holy fuck im gay and i hate it because how DUMB it is - they using really ship low quality way to throw LGBT stuff in those homophobic faces.
which means heterosexuals will hate gays even more because they will feel uncomfortable

Also the animation and design is fucking garbage.
Also they making the only heterosexual white man a dick and a douchebag. Which will never work and only make people hate them.

Also fucking asian chick with that "purple thing in her hair".
Fucking christ. How many times they will use it?

[Anonymous No.2204901]

>>2204670
said the nazis

[Anonymous No.2204908]

>>2204885
>heterosexuals will hate gays even more

Lemme straightsplain you a thing, cake boy. You have more rights now than you ever did in history, and it happened because you fags manned the fuck up and shoved your AIDSy dicks in America's faces. Visibility works. Silence got you nothing but unmarked graves.

[Anonymous No.2204910]

>>2203152
You've posted this before on /co/ and no one took you seriously than, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.2204912]

>>2204908
>You have more rights now than you ever did in history
the fuck are you even talking retard? im from russia.
LGBT is not even in a half of a way to equality because amerfat country is a shitty small compared to Russia and all those countries where gays still can be killed just because the Law says so.
So shut the fuck up and continue fapping to MLP sonic recolorings or whatever you pussysuckers do in your spare time.
PS:
I expected another butthurt neckberd because of wrote "im gay" and it burns those butthurts like hell but this is still hilarious.

[Anonymous No.2204917]

>>2204912
>That meme response
Wow. so intelligent
Much effort
Such comeback
Here have a doge meme, its about the same level of thought you put into that you butthurt dope.

[Anonymous No.2204919]

>>2204912
>im from russia

I thought you guys were supposed to be soviet stronk. Why are you scared that Tumblr cartoons will make people hate you? Does Putin watch Tumblr cartoons?

[Anonymous No.2204920]

Isnt 2d animation dying as of late? Do you think Mr Williams is rolling tamales

>>2204912
You stay out of my /ic/ and take your ass back to tumblr. You fucks aren't talking about art.

[Anonymous No.2204924]

>>2204920
>>2204919
>>2204917
>all that autism and tumblr boogeymen
sure every gay is from tumblr.
How about you will pretend you don't have a butthurt and continue drawing buttugly anime girls?

[Anonymous No.2204926]

>>2204924
>autism
>tumblr
>gay
>deflecting this hard with meaningless buzzwords
Try harder next time anon.
We all know where the real source of these ideas comes from.

[Anonymous No.2204930]

>>2204926
>mommy he insulted me!
>did he used a 4chan language?
>i-i think so
>then use a Buzzword-card and you will cover your butthurt
>Gee thanks mommy! i would be such a faggot without your advices!!

[Anonymous No.2204931]

>>2204926
Dont feed the tumblrina anon. He'll reply with something unrelated, to the thread, and claim we suck at drawing. Just get back to studying anon and let fag waste his time.

[Anonymous No.2204933]

>>2204931
>literally not a tumblrine
>still go with "LALALA CANT HEAR YOU TUMBLRINA" retardation
keep up the good work :^)

[Anonymous No.2204934]

>>2204930
Okay now you're trying too hard.

>>2204931
I wouldn't ordinarily but they've shitposted this same thread like several times by now.
Same picture and stupid arguments ad nauseam.

[Anonymous No.2204938]

>>2204934
He wants attention anon. As much as it hurts, its better to ignore him. You should get back to studying, its for the best.

[Anonymous No.2204939]

>>2204938
>>2204934
>literally the person who become butthurt over nothing
>i actually show him his place and troll him
>quickly plays victim card and calls me a shitposter while he is a "nice 4chin anon who tries to keep threads safe and clean"
What a faggot.
Sure your special thread looked good at the very beginning.
However you dumb amerifat probably coudlnt even read through half of that text because its way too much for you.

[Anonymous No.2204941]

>>2204939
>plays victim card
>calls other people tumblrinas
my sides

[Anonymous No.2204943]

[Anonymous No.2204944]

>>2204939
>quickly plays victim card and calls me a shitposter while he is a "nice 4chin anon who tries to keep threads safe and clean"

you're on /ic/

>i actually show him his place and troll him
>troll

go to /b/ or /pol/

here is your reply

[Anonymous No.2204945]

>>2204944
>butthurts in this post >>2204908
>uses shitty memetastic buzzwords like "cake boy", "shoved your AIDSy dicks" and etc.
>whines about /b/-tier language
autism speaks in a hellish level in this kind of retardation i must say

Butthurt heterofags always fun to watch.

[Anonymous No.2204946]

>>2203152
God, I want to punch his fucking face off and his shitty ironic hipster beard

[Anonymous No.2204947]

>>2204644

>gets criticized for bad writing
>repeats the same thing 3 times in a row

Ironing

[Anonymous No.2204948]

>>2204945

[Anonymous No.2204950]

>>2204948
good job!

[Anonymous No.2204961]

>>2204417
Likes/dislikes disabled (just like them).

[Anonymous No.2204969]

>>2203950
f-fuck, going on /his/ is a thing

[Anonymous No.2205048]

>>2203168
Anybody else notice how the characters were laying on top of the letterbox the entire time? And holy shit this animation is bad. Like bad Drawn Together rip off bad

[Anonymous No.2205049]

>>2203168
Hi, I'm Hayden Black, the director. I hope you enjoy my show goyim.

[Anonymous No.2205050]

>>2204417
Top fucking kek.

[Anonymous No.2205053]

>>2204948
Nice job, brat!

[Anonymous No.2205054]

you guys are all losers

[Anonymous No.2205114]

>>2204943
reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

got any more? I secretly love stuff like this especially when it gets posted on /ic/

[Anonymous No.2205170]

>>2203290
this

[Anonymous No.2205189]

>>2204609
I wish there was a way to say this without being jumped on for being transphobic.

[Anonymous No.2205206]

>>2204575
except some furries are actually good at what they do

[Anonymous No.2205211]

>>2204943
>>2205114
>This.
The so called art "revolutions" might be the ones to blame of what is happening to the industry nowadays; whether it is animation,art classes, paintng and so on.
As an example take:
>>2203168
>>2204885
It is not about the animation nor the puns per se, but more about the "controvesy" generated by them.
Artist are becoming lazier with execution and seem to be more interested in selling their points of view.
Thus, as Williams says, we end up with unskilled teachers teaching art and those with the abilities to do so want to be paid huge amounts of money; which are unaffordable for most of students.
But there is hope when we find talented people using coming every day.

[Anonymous No.2205225]

>>2203152
most of the best artist don't work as artist due the lack of money for them. Hell some good comic and animation guys sit round drawing porn for a few years give up and get real job in marketing or killthemselves

[Anonymous No.2205266]

>>2203168
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fxls1XrcJc [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLoZWVI85Cs

[Anonymous No.2205272]

>>2205211
who's the artist?!

[Anonymous No.2205275]

>>2205225
Like who?

[Anonymous No.2205280]

>>2203168
GOOD
GOOD

[Anonymous No.2205286]

>>2203168
Every board, I always manage to find this posted.

[Anonymous No.2205325]

>>2204910
/co/ is the same board that praises Steven Universe.

[Anonymous No.2205481]

>>2205325
And what do you have against that?

[Anonymous No.2205488]

>>2205325
Regardless of how you may feel about how "tumblr" the show is, there's no denying that it's popular for a good reason. The characters are flawed, likeable, realistic and actually develop over the course of the story, the animation is solid, and the music is excellent. It's certainly not everyone's type of cartoon but I'd say it's one of the best things CN has offered for a long time if you take the 4chan goggles off and look at it as a cartoon, or just an animated series, not just "lol tumblr".

[Anonymous No.2205496]

>>2205488
>Sex changing hippie shit crystals subtle lesbian sex from outer space.

Nope.

[Anonymous No.2205502]

>>2203282
The Flynn drawings you quoted aren't by Keane, they're by Jin Kim. He does all of those expression sheets for Disney's latest films (Frozen, BH6, etc)

[Anonymous No.2205519]

>>2203168

A PSYCHOPATH?

A psychopath as a protagonist!?

A psychopath, a trust fund kiddie, and a fucking poet? It's almost like they *want* us to hate trans people, throwing them in with that lot. Just needs an aspie and a pedophile to round out the ensemble.

[Anonymous No.2205547]

>>2205496
When you put something like that, you can make any cartoon sound stupid, anon. Most anime have weirder concepts than this.

[Anonymous No.2205560]

>>2203152
why are we getting better at drawing?

[Anonymous No.2205564]

>>2205560
what happened to the basketball theme? he may have gotten better with the colors, but there is no thought put into the concept anymore; for that reason alone I like the 1913 better.

[Anonymous No.2205602]

>>2205560

^this guys a new kind of dumb

[Anonymous No.2205613]

>>2204691
We started at fucking walt disney.

WHAT
THE
FUCK
HAPPENED

[Anonymous No.2205616]

>>2205613
Disney was not progressive enough!

[Anonymous No.2205621]

>>2204943
The only goo picture(somewhat good) was bottom left. At least (s)he made good use of color.

[Anonymous No.2205622]

>>2204564
When did trolling become news?

[Anonymous No.2205656]

>>2203168
You had me rustled at 'Youtube comedian'

[Anonymous No.2205697]

>>2205613
Education went down the shitter when Modern Art happened.

[Anonymous No.2205724]

No.
The truth is that in making art, there's always a big risk. The art industry wants to make a lot of money from you, but it NEEDS to at least make its money back (i.e. the money it invests in making your art into a TV show, a published comic, a piece in a gallery, etc.). So, naturally, it favors art that is cheap and fast. Whatever has the simplest design, whatever's easiest to make. It's simple risk analysis.

[Anonymous No.2205727]

>>2204417
That's fucked up.

[Anonymous No.2205731]

>>2204644
>Ishmael Daedelus Saltonstall
That's a fucking awesome name though!

[Anonymous No.2205734]

>>2204691
>remember watching American Pie when I was a kid and laughing when they said that "Ariel is sooo HOT!"
>mfw now

[Anonymous No.2205758]

>>2205272
Riccardo Ferecci

[Anonymous No.2205873]

>>2203152
no we are getting better
at least with every new biological discovery in anatomy and function
its thats along with the times, now anyone can grab a sketchbook and post it up

[Anonymous No.2205887]

>>2204644
is this some fake profile the picture is ethan from h3h3 youtube channel

[Anonymous No.2205910]

>>2203152
Maybe; all the hands I draw look like carrots. It's maddening and also makes me hungry.

[Anonymous No.2205964]

>>2203157
>falling for the most obvious bait since July 27 1943

[Anonymous No.2206806]

>>2205758
not a person

[Anonymous No.2206961]

>>2204943
well im mad

[Anonymous No.2206995]

>>2205488
It's a waifu bait magic girl cartoon for people who don't like anime and it takes itself way to seriously for a cartoon directed at kids. Only pretentious waifufags like it and pretend it's anything more than an anime knockoff with terrible art that set an awful trend.

[Anonymous No.2206998]

>>2206995
I watch anime and I liked it.

It's not a terrible show. Most of the hate it gets anyway is because there's diversity in the characters.

[Anonymous No.2207000]

>>2206998
and shit draws

[Anonymous No.2207001]

>>2207000
The music and backgrounds were really nice at least.

[Anonymous No.2207009]

>>2207001
The music is cringe worthy, especially when the voice actors try to sing. Just about the only thing I'd give the show are some nice backgrounds. The story is basically just "less problematic magic girl". Also, "diversity" you mean lesbians which is the safest way to pander and seem like you are taking a creative "risk". Then again, they can just pretend they are "space rocks" and write off any critics that come their way.

[Anonymous No.2207017]

>>2205602
you are stupid
you fell for it

[Anonymous No.2207027]

>>2205519
The psychopath is a cis white male too.

[Anonymous No.2207046]

>>2207009
>the safest way to pander and seem like you are taking a creative "risk"

What are some unsafe ways to pander that are actual, scare-quote-free creative risks?

[Anonymous No.2207050]

>>2207046
>>2207046
Gay men. Gravity Falls has a gay character that offends both Christian moms and SJWs just because he's gay and presented in a humorous manner. When it comes to lesbians in cartoons you have quite a few people defending you. You have liberals, SJWs, yuri fetishists, and the lgbt community... yet you can pretend to be taking a risk because the only two groups you are pissing off are Christian moms and some conservatives. Personally I'm fucking sick of lesbians and the "strong female character" which has become a worse trope that the tropes these people hate.

In general though, pushing some lgbt character right now is not interesting, it isn't controversial, it's boring as shit and usually one dimensional. Hell, the only good gay character I can think of is from Kamen Rider Gaim.

[Anonymous No.2207051]

>>2207050
if your talking about Mister Dangerous, he's the most flamboyant gay guy out there,

[Anonymous No.2207052]

>>2207051
And yet he's a likable interesting character that I think was handled very well. He wasn't made gay just because, nor was it to pander. It adds to his character. It's silly at times, it makes other characters uncomfortable(which would be considered horribly offensive over here), yet he grows as a characters and other characters grow to become more tolerant of it and it becomes something that doesn't even matter towards the end of the show. They don't play it off like it's normal and everyone who hates it is some horrible bigot.

And the crazy thing.. that's not even the focus of his character nor the show.

[Anonymous No.2207426]

>>2205560
OP's post is comparing two professional artists.

[Anonymous No.2207439]

Why is real life becoming worse then drawings?

[Anonymous No.2207496]

>friend is going to AIB which is a pretty decent school in the US
>is learning illustration
>posts images of his drawings and paintings from time to time
>they're not bad, but they're not good either
>people praise him and somehow he gets good grades for his flat, uninspiring art
>too scared to speak up and critique him honestly because he'll probably get butthurt and his other friends might even descend upon me like locusts because I never went to art school in the first place

I hate this

[Anonymous No.2207497]

>>2205734
>yfw most old disney girls look 100 times better without the lipstick lips

[Anonymous No.2207502]

>>2203152
...do you really think you'd even be impresssed by Disney if not for the near-century of incessant marketing shoved down our culture's throat? You were brainwashed to like that shit from childhood nigga

[Anonymous No.2207504]

>>2207496
We'll, if there's one thing art school is great for, it's building a blind confidence in its students. If they had the teachers to provide the critique and skills it would be fantastic, but all my friends who went are the exact same as yours. They all go to conventions to try and sell their art now and none of them can draw barely above stick figures or even make a solid line.

There really aren't to many good art communities left besides those online workshops.

[Anonymous No.2207506]

>>2207439
STOP
T
O
P

[Anonymous No.2207511]

>>2207504
Like I'm not saying I'm some great artist, but you'd think his art would be better than mine considering he's in his 4th year of school for art and illustration and I went to a year of community college for fucking criminal justice

[Anonymous No.2207524]

>>2207511
Most art teachers aren't allowed to critique to much, and that's assuming you get one that actually can critique your art. He went 4 years to get his ego stroked and build a wall around it. That's pretty much what art schools are for now... that and to make connections. Back in the day one could argue that you'd go for the peers and rivals, but all that is going to be there now are tumblr stylefags who don't want to learn anything and just want the connections and the piece of paper that says they're an artist.

I'd post some of my friends art, but they are generally good people and I'd hate for them to somehow stumble on the post or a particularly mean anon to find them... suffice to say, they both went for quite a few years and neither can do gesture drawing, perspective, they don't understand form, nor color, and just about the only thing either can do is market themselves. One draws anime in flat symbols and scratchy lines, the other draws just above stick figures.

[Anonymous No.2207536]

>>2207524
...if i promise to be really nice and not troll them will you link me? I'm just curious. Will give dummy email.

[Anonymous No.2207546]

>>2207536
Fuck it.
1/2
from a friend who studied art at Ball State

[Anonymous No.2207549]

>>2207546
2/2

[Anonymous No.2207551]

>>2207546
>>2207549
...wow.

Man, you are making me not regret choosing autodidactism.

[Anonymous No.2207553]

>>2207502
I'm impressed by classic Disney's level of skill and innovation in the medium of animation.

Please go complain about "the sheeple" on /pol/ or some shit.

[Cthulu Fthagn No.2207554]

>>2207546
F-f-f-f-f-four years of art school and he produces THIS?

[Anonymous No.2207555]

>>2207502
Yeah it was all marketing and nothing else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY6rN50SnQ

[Anonymous No.2207557]

[Anonymous No.2207559]

>>2207551
>>2207554
He also studied fine art while he was there... and graduated. It's weird isn't it? How can somebody be so blind to their own flaws? How can you find this acceptable? How could an art class let you get by without even truly studying and understanding anatomy at the very least. I mean, hell, that alone would give you SOMETHING.. but nah, basically they just pat you on the ass and tell you what a good job you're doing till you get that piece of paper, give them your money, and get out of their lives.

[Cthulu Fthagn No.2207562]

>>2207559
I think the reason they do that is because they would fail the vast majority of students if they had even they slightest of standards. For example, I just started attending college with the intent to get an art degree. In my drawing one class I am the only competent or even remotely serious person there. That's not me bragging, the fact that I'm the best one there is a terrible sign.

[Anonymous No.2207563]

>>2207559
...doesn't art school at least teach you like ... Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain kinda stuff? That, at the very least, should have knocked him out of that flat style.

...then again maybe they don't.

...fuck, what the honest fuck do they do in art schools that is worth that much fucking money?

[Anonymous No.2207572]

>>2207559
Art Schools have become for-profit businesses. In the past, art schools were very exclusive places and your friend would have been mercifully cut loose from the school for his own good for performing at such a poor level. This guy is probably in massive debt because his school refused to tell him the truth, to tell him he wasn't capable of performing at a high enough level to justify his continued attendance there.

[Anonymous No.2207575]

>>2207562
You wonder why these other people are even there in the first place. I just can't imagine spending that much money for nothing but a piece of paper and maybe a few connections. If you're not willing to put in the work to git gud then why even go to an art school?
>>2207563
I have no idea man. The whole thing has dumbfounded me for years. I have a feeling that the teachers recommend books, give assignments, then just hand out good scores to everyone for merely attempting it seeing as the whole "subjective" argument will come into play if somebody fails.

[Anonymous No.2207582]

LET'S NOT FORGET
>THE TUMBLR ARTSTYLE

[Anonymous No.2207590]

>>2204670
RELEASE THE MEMES

[Anonymous No.2207599]

>>2207439
this is unsettling......

[Anonymous No.2207610]

>>2203182
lol anyone know what vid thats from?

[Anonymous No.2207626]

>>2207582
its good to grip onto something when you begin

[Anonymous No.2207648]

>>2203168
>'fashion victim'
>that horrible sense of style

Jesus christ

[Anonymous No.2207786]

>>2207557
And now less deserving artists are making their way into the industry and taking up the already small number of jobs.

[Anonymous No.2207889]

>>2207557
I love Stephen Silver

[Anonymous No.2207950]

>>2204564
That headline seems like a joke

[Anonymous No.2208061]

>>2203168

the animation is impeccable.

[Anonymous No.2208104]

>>2203274
>>2203276
Miles has been stagnating for years now and he was never really that good. The only thing he works on nowadays is his ego.

[Anonymous No.2208111]

>>2205613
adobe flash and topical humor
the french are the only hope we have left

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oC8GbblIBk&list=PL7IGBkaIQiG__OW3ldctsDtyYeXPxwcWW&index=3

[Anonymous No.2208134]

>>2207559
I mean... I like it. What's the big deal?

[Anonymous No.2208143]

>>2208134
>flat
>symbol drawing
>no understanding of form
>no understanding of proportions
>no texture
>no design to the anatomy or gesture

You can like it, but there's a lot of reasons why it's bad.

[Anonymous No.2208157]

>>2203152
whatever you might think of animes, satoshi kon's tokyo godfathers was technically very impressive.

[Anonymous No.2208226]

>>2208143
Yup, liking has nothing to do with knowledge.
>Also, no perspective and gesture.

[Anonymous No.2208283]

>>2203168
Why?

[Anonymous No.2208292]

>>2204761
I would take 8000 SAO over this.
god bless you japan for being such a retrograde

[Anonymous No.2208311]

>>2208061

I don't know anon, it looks ok to me?


> I MEAN COME THE FUCK ON, HOW DID THEY EVEN MANAGE THIS?

[Anonymous No.2208399]

>>2208061
>>2203168

How about keeping the character inside the frame?

[Anonymous No.2208420]

>>2205211
>>2206806
Guessing he meant Riccardo Federici

[Anonymous No.2208437]

>>2208399

[Anonymous No.2208476]

>>2203168

https://youtu.be/fLoZWVI85Cs

Here you go we can all feel better now

[Anonymous No.2208501]

>>2204417
Excellent grasp of grammar there.

[Anonymous No.2208556]

>>2208476
That actually got really depressing as it went on.

[Anonymous No.2208650]

>>2208420
Yeah, i forgot.Thanks.

[Anonymous No.2208697]

>>2207559
I bet you didn't know I go on 4chan too. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.2208700]

>>2208697
I'm not even sure if this is legit.

If it is you better fucking read the thread because you can't draw worth shit.

tl;dr git gud draw on the right side of the brain

[Anonymous No.2208705]

>>2208697
See >>2208143 >>2208226

>wasting time posting
>not trying to desperately git gud after wasting your money on college

At least these anons have highlighted your biggest issues, assuming this isn't some cheap bait.

[Anonymous No.2208895]

>>2203168
>pop culture referential humour
>obvious pandering of equality subject matter over quality writing or direction
>"It's okay to abuse prescription painkillers!"
>"It's okay to make jokes about rape if they're about a rapist!"
>Roid raging white dude being absolutely unpleasant/violent towards everyone.

You don't even need to get into the artistic faux pas to know this is terrible.

Also the /x/ in me has to say:
>all those all-seeing eyes
>all that celebrity and media promotion over something with obviously zero effort

There's no excuse to have this much promotional backing for something this low-quality. It's ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.2210385]

>>2208476
holy shit that was hilarious

[Anonymous No.2210394]

No, bad artists just have a platform to present their art. They didn't have that before.

[Anonymous No.2210421]

>>2203175
There will never be an animated horror short film based on the Giles Corey book

[Anonymous No.2210424]

>>2204691
Does France count as 'western'?

[Anonymous No.2210426]

>>2210424
Just for the record if you're talking about Wakfu Ankama studios is heavily populated with oriental immigrants.

[Anonymous No.2210439]

>>2207557
Silver you sly hebrew fox

[Anonymous No.2210450]

>>2210439

I wasn't sure if Stephen was Jewish until I saw this video and then I knew there's no way he wasn't lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOml7hO6Ag0

BA BA BA BOO!

[Anonymous No.2210454]

>>2210426
I'm talking about the massive franco-belgian comic/animation industry in general

[Anonymous No.2210456]

>>2210439
SILVER YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD I READ YOUR BOOK

[Anonymous No.2210463]

>>2210439
In all seriousness though I'm guessing you're referencing the fact he opened his own "school" after saying that he didn't attend school himself and yet found the tremendous success he has. However he certainly had attended life drawing workshops and classes and that's the kind of lineage his "school" follows. It's a pay-as-you-go atelier-style school for life drawing, cartooning and art-business instruction. I'll probably illustrate that point more clearly with the next iteration of that image if not omit the fact he opened his own atelier entirely. I wanted the point to be "look how successful this self-taught artist is" but when the graphic itself is ostensibly "anti-school" and it prominently features a person who's opening his own school (even if it is a different type of school that isn't really the subject of the graphic) it muddles the entire thing

[Anonymous No.2210466]

>>2210463
>all this rambling

Sorry, I get even more autistic when I'm tired. Goodnight /ic/ fam

[Anonymous No.2210472]

>>2203168
IT HURTS

[Anonymous No.2210546]

>>2203311
>If you can't draw, you can't design anything worth a damn.
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.2210694]

>>2204564
>mfw now they have to do a trigger warning for internet harassment

[Anonymous No.2210697]

>>2204670
Can I have a screencap of the guy's original post?

[Anonymous No.2211443]

>>2203256
Are are aware that almost every form of media needs some kinda of traditional artist, right? Concept artists aren't something you can replace

[Anonymous No.2211811]

>>2204564
>who's played by a trans woman who happens to also be Jewish and a lesbian
This is fake. There's no way.

[Anonymous No.2212186]

>>2207557
This is triggering me. Please tell me that whoever made that was cherry picking. Please tell me that college isn't a huge scam.

[Anonymous No.2212192]

>>2212186
College isn't a huge scam.

Art school is.

[Anonymous No.2212204]

>>2207546
That would have been amazing

If a 12 year old did it.

[Anonymous No.2212211]

>>2207582
It is not that bad, it is just that the artist is clearly retarded and chose the most disgusting clothing for them to wear.

[Anonymous No.2212227]

>>2211811
The dub voice for Meowth from Pokemon was an intersex, assigned-male-at-birth Jewish woman. Anything is possible.

[Anonymous No.2212434]

>>2203168
>and you thought the breakfast club was edgy
I. I don't think I did. I don't think I ever will.

[Anonymous No.2212447]

>>2203168
ok

[Anonymous No.2212463]

>>2208111
you know the french can't fight but they can make cartoons and draw comics, god fucking damn.

[Anonymous No.2212469]

>>2208476
Thanks anon.

You got me to smile.

[Anonymous No.2212654]

>>2203152
No, more people are just drawing.

Nice bait by the way.

[Anonymous No.2212670]

>>2207426
>professional artists.
Isnt the pinochio picture made by hitler?

[Anonymous No.2212706]

>>2211811
>trans woman
>lesbian

Well, yeah, of course that's fake. Trannies are men. But almost all of them are attracted to women, and will throw a fit about misgendering if you don't call them lesbians.

[Anonymous No.2212853]

>>2212204
At 12 I knew a big about construction from a shitty how to draw manga book.

From the looks of it, he doesn't even know how to do that. It's amazing how untrained an eye can be, and even kind of scary.

[Anonymous No.2212875]

>>2212211
> Tumblr artstyle

I'm not baiting I swear, but what the heck is the Tumblr artstyle? Like is there a guideline or something for shit to qualify
Fucking everyone has a Tumblr and I see everything on it

I'm not very internet savvy, I started coming in here yesterday because every other discussion board is awful

[Anonymous No.2212882]

>>2212875
There's a pic floating around that describes it pretty well, hopefully somebody will post it. It breaks down the whole style and "progessive" character down perfectly... and a year or so later somebody made a magic girl comic that's main character rips everything from it like it was their Bible... put bluntly though it's somewhere between anime and old cartoons with this weird "brown" race dominating everything. Washed out colors and weird noses they think adds to the personality. It's mostly made by the kiddies who watched 90's anime but don't want to put in the work to get their foundations so they end up with something like Rebeca Sugars art. They also haven't studied anything on design or how uneven distribution of proportions work so their art tends to look extremely bland and sometimes straight up ugly because they think that being different from beauty norms=good.

[Anonymous No.2212891]

>>2203152
https://vimeo.com/93206523

[Anonymous No.2213008]

>>2204564
>Internet harassment by 4chan
>Implying it's not gonna be it's biggest fanbase

[Anonymous No.2213032]

>>2213008
I think they want a serious "enlightened" audience... of course, if they were smart they'd realize their new found audience and make the first episode accordingly. Either make it riff tier, or pander to us like crazy because at the moment your "quality" isn't going to save shit.

[Anonymous No.2213052]

>>2205049
Looks as much as an American fag can look like a fag without fag clothes. Also, what's wrong with his eyes?

[Anonymous No.2213055]

>>2205560
The left drawing looks like a japanese style drawing just with western clothes. Also what's up with the dollar sign?

[Anonymous No.2213065]

>>2207582
The one on the left looks like kaiji. Fucking cannot unsee. Also disgusting as 999999999 year old dick smegma

[Anonymous No.2213353]

>>2213052
Is he British?

[Anonymous No.2213414]

>>2207582
PROGRESSIVE

[Anonymous No.2213420]

>>2213414

[Anonymous No.2213459]

>>2213414
that face

[Anonymous No.2213867]

>>2213414
That better not be Nami...

[Anonymous No.2213872]

>>2213867
>nami
Rather Tsunami

[Anonymous No.2213956]

>>2213872
GOT EEM!

[Anonymous No.2213991]

>>2208697
Holy shit, this is 24 carrots of pure comedy chocolate gold!

Btw, your 'art' is shit.

[Anonymous No.2213995]

>>2213991
>24 carrots

Whether this is intentional or not, I'm going to start saying this all the time now. It's the perfect bait.

[Anonymous No.2214009]

>>2213353
He's obviously Jewish.

[Anonymous No.2214207]

>>2212875
>>2212882

[Anonymous No.2214210]

>>2214207

[Anonymous No.2214263]

>>2214210
I'm just gonna assume this is a joke.

[Anonymous No.2214267]

>>2214207

>80s-90s anime

But anime was actually good back then.

[Anonymous No.2214291]

>>2214263
Never underestimate Tumblr.

[Anonymous No.2214303]

>>2214207
>80-90s anime

Literally what?

[Anonymous No.2214309]

>>2214263
It is not.
>>2214267
I think they are referencing how in restive these people are and how most just rip-off the sailor moon formula but make it more "progressive". It also might be calling out how the style is a dumbed down anime thing that has no real foundation.

[Anonymous No.2214327]

>>2214291
>tumblr
But that was drawn on 4chan

[Anonymous No.2214505]

>>2214327
No, that's Kate Leth's comic.

[Anonymous No.2214547]

>>2212670

Looks like the guy on the left is literally worse than Hitler then.

[Anonymous No.2214565]

>>2203168
>all these positive youtube reactions
Kill me now.

[Anonymous No.2214599]

>>2214565
They've been monitoring and deleting the negative ones. Don't worry, the first couple of days all the top comments were negative.

[Anonymous No.2214605]

>>2214505
Whose been known to browse /co/ and her comics are regularly posted on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.2214632]

>>2214605
????

You don't know who the fuck Kate Leth is.

[Anonymous No.2214978]

>>2214210
The best part is, she's working for marvel now. If comics sank any lower they'd hit the earths core.

[Anonymous No.2214997]

>>2212875
>>2212882
>>2214207
LOL I'm happy I checked back.