Artistic pet peeves

[Anonymous No.2180521]

>have clear light source
>paint crescent moon that with an entirely different light source and unaffected by the main

>industry obsession with making a piece "painterly"

[Anonymous No.2180525]

>>2180521
>wanting everything to be over rendered plastic looking garbage

[Anonymous No.2180532]

>predictable and generic environment composition

>over the top perspectivey action scene

[Anonymous No.2180548]

thread is useless without pics yo

>this generic garbo oversaturation norestraint ultraplebtaste colordodge4lyfe style

seems very commercially viable but GOD does it look like fucking puke.

[Anonymous No.2180553]

>>2180548
>>this generic garbo oversaturation norestraint ultraplebtaste colordodge4lyfe style
Pretty sure it's just generic asian render whores. It's a conflicted feeling with them, because it takes a ton of skill and there are some great artists doing that stuff, it's just almost always done with poor taste or no personality. When you get someone who has good taste you get gods like Ruan. But so many artists are held back by their lack of taste and individualism.

[Anonymous No.2180651]

>side mouth

[Anonymous No.2180654]

>>2180548
but people love shit like this because it's what they're used to see
also
>the only female character is a whore

[Anonymous No.2180661]

>>2180651
THE LIPS ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE

THEY KNOW HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO GO AND THEN THEY JUST DRIVE OFF A CLIFF FOR NO REASON

[Anonymous No.2180667]

>>2180553
It's lack of creativity. But also I think that if they're all day drawing this stuff, they have no time or drive to do anything else in your free time. They're like machines

I'd hate to be in their position honestly

>>2180654
tumblr pls

[Anonymous No.2180678]

>>2180651

Also some artists' obsessions with drawing a lot of characters with the 3/4 face sideview. It's like the new "hands behind back" because I guess for some people it's easier and looks more "dynamic" than just a straight-forward face?

I hope that makes sense, I'm a bit drunk

[Anonymous No.2180684]

>>2180678
I believe the "straight forward face" is more diffucult to pull of successful since every pleb will instantly see any minor missallignment; in the 3/4 sideview its a bit easier since the perspective skewes the face around and nobody will be bothered by a slightly wrong eyesize or lips which are a few millimeters too high.

[Anonymous No.2180685]

>>2180661
Holy shit.

I've always 'known' it was bullshit. But when you mentioned the lips, and when I looked at the third one along in pic above with the open mouth, I really saw and understood for the first time.

This shit was ok when you were animating moomins, but the more realistic you make your faces the more ridiculous it gets.

[Anonymous No.2180695]

>>2180651
That's only because it's super easy to animate. It's basically CAD tier utilization of cut pasta work. It only happens with shit animmay, just like k-on.

Now what really grinds my gears are when artists never draw women other than skimpily clad and perfect models. The worst part is that all mangaka draw women in one way, then change eye shape and hair, at best they also change the eyebrows to be thick.

[Anonymous No.2180718]

>>2180651
>popular artists
>everyone just tries to be a shitty clone of them, using only their art as reference

It's like, who gives a shit about a shitty clone, when the real deal is right there?

[Anonymous No.2180721]

>>2180678
That is the dumbest fucking argument I've read in a long time. Anything is better than a straight forward face, and 3/4 view is pretty much the default because it covers the area between front and side view.

[Anonymous No.2180722]

>>2180654
>the only female character is a whore
Yeah, at least they got one thing right.

[Anonymous No.2180723]

>>2180553
I remember trying to fix a couple of these pictures a few years ago, while trying to retain the style.

[Anonymous No.2180724]

>>2180695
>Now what really grinds my gears are when artists never draw women other than skimpily clad and perfect models.

It's like singing the blues, todays women will never stop eating....well if you live in america.

[Anonymous No.2180726]

>>2180678
It DOES look more dynamic you stupid shit. Same reason why you shouldn't draw a perfectly straight and symmetrical body unless it's for a character design sheet. You really need to stop projecting your own shortcomings onto other artists.

[Anonymous No.2180728]

>those threads where people with no skill at all criticize other people that at least make money with their art.

[Anonymous No.2180730]

I throw up in my mouth when how people praise work like this. only because a highly popular and succesful artist made it. nevermind that it's total trash and everyones little daughter could paint the same thing if you hand her the stylus.

'oh my god you are so incredible you are gods gift to commercial art it just blows my mind are you even human???'

what in the name of fucking god

>>2180723

That's damn good.

[Anonymous No.2180732]

>>2180723

[Anonymous No.2180735]

>>2180728
Yes, because making money with your art is the only goal, and those who do are untouchable.

The pleb is strong in you.

[Anonymous No.2180736]

>>2180695
>That's only because it's super easy to animate.
>It only happens with shit animmay, just like k-on.

Not sure how you can understand the reason and still come to such a stupid conclusion. It happens when the animation studio needs to save budget, that's all. It has nothing to do with the quality of the show. There are plenty of scenes from K-on where they don't use sidemouth because the scene has a higher budget and the focus is on a single face.

[Anonymous No.2180738]

>>2180651
>anime style
>they can't draw the underside of chins so when they look at the sky, their chins just get longer

[Anonymous No.2180740]

>>2180738
What? Please learn some perspective and anatomy before you try to make such dumb comments.

[Anonymous No.2180743]

>>2180736
That's not entirely correct. While sidemouth is frequently used because of budget constrains, it's also become a part of the style. There are a lot of artists who do it on purpose, regardless of time constraints, either because of lack of skill, or because they're fucking insane and think it looks good.
This is a prime example: >>2180732

[Anonymous No.2180744]

>>2180740
And you should learn to read.

[Anonymous No.2180745]

>>2180743
I agree with that, but most of those artists are Deviantart weebs, not actual animators.

[Anonymous No.2180749]

>>2180744
>>they can't draw the underside of chins so when they look at the sky, their chins just get longer

Their chins are all underneath the horizon line and their faces are either slightly tilted downward or facing straight ahead. So please explain why you think there should be a visibile underside of the chin or what the fuck else you meant with your stupid ass comment.

[Anonymous No.2180753]

>>2180745
Not really. You see it in a lot of manga and among a ton of professional illustrators.

[Anonymous No.2180754]

>>2180738
>>2180749
You're both idiots.
Yes, drawing the area between the chin and neck is a problem a lot of manga-style artists struggle with, but it's not an inherent problem with the style. It's a problem with the artists' individual skill levels.

[Anonymous No.2180756]

>>2180754
You are a fucking retard. We were talking about one particular example, the image that guy quoted. At least that's what I thought because why the fuck else would he quote it while making that post talking about looking at the sky. In that particular image, there shouldn't be a visible underside of the chin due to the eye level and the tilt of the heads. That was my entire argument. But hey, thanks for chiming in and giving your extremely valuable input, you goddamn moron.

[Anonymous No.2180762]

>>2180756
He's not referring to that image, you stupid idiot. He's talking about a very common problem that a long of manga artists struggle with. You really shouldn't comment if you're completely ignorant of the issue being discussed.

[Anonymous No.2180766]

>>2180738
but the chin does get "longer".
and you don't always see much of the underside of the chin from profile view, especially with females.

>>2180762
what is this very common problem supposed to be about?

[Anonymous No.2180768]

>Noobs giving advice
>Noobs saying something looks wrong when it isn't wrong

[Anonymous No.2180774]

>>2180766
>what is this very common problem supposed to be about?
It's hard to find examples, but it's a problem that stems from the style itself. It's the combination of the simplistic style, the weird shape of the jaw and the fact the head is very rarely drawn from odd angles. It's perfectly viable to draw this correctly, but it's still a very common problem.
You can also see the problem in a lot of 3d models based on generic anime. It's very visible in MMD, where the models look fine from the front, but in profile or at low angles, the face suddenly turns into a shitty mess, because the creator doesn't know how to model the transition between the jaw and the neck.
It's hard to find an example on the fly, as most artists who fail at this just avoid it altogether.

[Anonymous No.2180785]

>>2180774
i kind of get what you're saying, but i don't see that problem in >>2180651?


i think this problem is more of a budget thing. if a decent artist draws the neck while also minding it's structure and muscles, it shouldn't be hard to also get the underside of the chin right.
and 3D is usually shit, they would never go as far as to animate small details like the finer structure of the neck. and those are needed in order to get it right.

[Anonymous No.2180793]

>>2180785
It's not something that's related to animation. It's just a common flaw in generic anime.

And as I've already said, it has nothing to do with that picture, as there aren't any characters looking up, nor a low perspective.

[Anonymous No.2180850]

I really hate it when reference images have the model in poses where they're splayed out everywhere, flying through the air or something stupid like that. They're probably useful for someone, but they annoy me.

[Anonymous No.2180863]

I'd be interested in hearing some /ic/-specific pet peeves.

My biggest one is that discussion is always automatically geared towards concept art and/or fantasy illustration, as if it's some unspoken rule. If work isn't some badass space wizard or dragon then it's automatically not good.

I think people here just have bad tastes, and a horrible case of tunnel vision when it comes to understanding different avenues of commercial illustration.

[Anonymous No.2180872]

>>2180774
>>2180793

Is this an example of what you are talking about?

[Anonymous No.2180899]

>>2180872
Yes.

[Anonymous No.2180900]

>>2180863
Then you're a fucking idiot, because most people shit all over that type of art.

[Anonymous No.2180912]

>>2180863
Despite being oversaturated it's the thing that sells the most and grabs most people's attention, sans porn. Everyone at some point wanted to draw cartoons/comics/manga/people

It's been that way since the old times too, most vanguardists were people who grew tired of academia and started researching their own shit. If you git gud chances are you get bored of doing concept art and, to get some feeling of achievement and development, start experimenting like mad

PS: No one in the academia takes fantasy illustration seriously

[Anonymous No.2180913]

>>2180863
/ic/ can only understand realism
/ic/ can't into fine art
/ic/ is 99% shit artists who are incapable of giving a real critique
/ic/ is angry that they are shit so they shit all over each other
/ic/ knows fuck-all about art history

I think it's because most people here are NEETs with a stupid narrow focus due to autism.

[Anonymous No.2180918]

Small craniums

[Anonymous No.2180920]

>>2180918
also beginners that sign/watermark their work.

[Anonymous No.2180927]

>>2180913
>I think it's because most people here are NEETs with a stupid narrow focus due to autism.
That sounds more like you, since you think people need to have the exact same interests as you in order to make art.

[Anonymous No.2180929]

>>2180732
It's probably because of the lack of shadows being cast on the lower lip, but the corrected version looks wrong too.

[Anonymous No.2180935]

>>2180927
>you think people need to have the exact same interests as you in order to make art.
point out where I said that.

[Anonymous No.2180944]

>>2180935
You're claiming that knowledge of fine art and art history are somehow necessary for the average artist. It comes off as a misguided, pop cultural view of what an artist is supposed to be.
I personally have an interest in this, at least up to a point, but it's irrelevant to most modern artists, unless you're working on specific techniques or styles.

[Anonymous No.2180947]

>>2180944
>You're claiming that knowledge of fine art and art history are somehow necessary for the average artist
I'm not though. I'd just like to see more diversity on this site. It's fine if a lot of the people here aren't into fine art and art history, but it's more than that- 99% of the board has no appreciation for anything outside of concept art and fantasy illustration. Which is especially annoying when threads about fine art or art history crop up and these types don't hesitate to give their uninformed opinions on the topic.

[Anonymous No.2180954]

>>2180947
Except we've had plenty of threads on fine art.

[Anonymous No.2180958]

>>2180954
and they're full of shitposting, unless it's specific to a style or movement that doesn't stray from realism. even van gogh gets shit on here.

[Anonymous No.2180973]

>>2180958
Yeah you have good points. But remember this is 4chan we are talking about. Not exactly a representative sample of artists at large. So don't take it too seriously, it's just a very small subset of artists here.

[Anonymous No.2180983]

>>2180913
>>2180913
>/ic/ is 99% shit artists who are incapable of giving a real critique
Let me guess, you think you're worthy of this "real critique"?

[Anonymous No.2180985]

>>2180958
Ah, you're one of those those cunts. Nothing wrong with hating art based on politics that's devoid of skill.

[Anonymous No.2180989]

>>2180983
I don't bother posting my work here for critique. I ask local professional painters to critique my work, we have studios at the same art center so it's convenient and a lot more helpful.

>>2180985
so all art that isn't realistic is "based on politics and devoid of skill." I'm guessing you haven't studied many movements.

[Anonymous No.2180993]

>>2180985
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.2180996]

>>2180989
I don't think you know what realistic is. The word you're looking for is figurative.

[Anonymous No.2180997]

>>2180996
I don't think you know what figurative means. Every piece of fine art is both figurative and abstract.

[Anonymous No.2180999]

>>2180993
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/feature-2004-02.html

Read this, you nigger.

[Anonymous No.2181000]

>>2180913

Hey you sound like someone interesting for once. Do you have work to post or a website? I'm always looking for people who think and have good work

[Anonymous No.2181002]

>>2181000
Yeah, the dime a dozen liberal art students sure are rare these days.

[Anonymous No.2181003]

>>2180999
>professor of english promoting some goya wannabe
dropped so hard

[Anonymous No.2181007]

>>2180996
No, I mean realistic. /ic/ often shits on figurative art that isn't realistic (van gogh etc.)

Which apparently is "based on politics and devoid of skill"

[Anonymous No.2181009]

>>2181000
I do, not posting to /ic/ though.
>>2181002
y so salty?

[Anonymous No.2181014]

>>2181007
I think I've found a bunch of your posts in the archive. You seem to have a massive fucking hard-on for the guy.

[Anonymous No.2181019]

>>2181014
>a single person in the history of /ic/ liked van gogh
u w0t m8

[Anonymous No.2181074]

>>2180929
I think women in general have more protruding lower lips, with this one it looks as if it just goes straight to chin, no shadow or contour that would sell it

[Anonymous No.2181077]

>>2180553
me too, I dont even like Rjias stuff very much to be honest, its really miles ahead of this other wow mtg you name it videogame polished art shit, but it still lacks meaning, real vision and his own taste, it still feels as if he only produces for his audience(which is shit for the most part) and not really for himself. I dont even know if he can produce for himself, I mean he only ever did illustration or so it seems, creativity is something you learn too and it can rot a little if you dont use it.

[Anonymous No.2181078]

>>2180654
Well, but this is basically what happens when there is a single female among a group of men.They sell out to the highest bidder(not only in the money regard)

[Anonymous No.2181080]

>>2180548
lol, that upper middle row, 3rd from left is a 100 percent referenced from anthony hopkins

[Anonymous No.2181084]

>>2180548
fuck
everything is shiny and there's no visual priority

[Anonymous No.2181253]

>>2180548
Give us your example of real art then, ye who is so enlightened.

[Anonymous No.2181256]

>>2180521
>>industry obsession with making a piece "painterly"
Do you admire the Polish photobashers then?

[Anonymous No.2181257]

>>2180721
It wasn't even an argument, just an opinion/pet peeve. why are you so angry

[Anonymous No.2181258]

>>2180726
Wow so many defensive anons. there's also other dynamic facial views than the 3/4. you'd know that if you were actually capable of drawing other than the 3/4 angle. :^)

[Anonymous No.2181262]

>>2180684

Oh gotcha, well that makes more sense. Thanks for the input rather than hitting the defensive/rage button like some other anons

[Anonymous No.2181267]

>>2181256
I don't admire anything from the concept art industry. I've grown ridiculously tired of it all.

[Anonymous No.2181344]

>>2180521
crescent moon? you mean like a literal moon in the scene? usually the moon is not lit by the same source of light as everything else in a typical night scene. you could make an argument for that in a day scene, i guess.

>>2180548
ultraplebtaste yes, but oversaturated? i don't think so.

[Anonymous No.2181356]

>>2180548
theres a difference between a piece having saturation and being over-saturated. the colors in a lot of these pieces are actually quite nice and complementary.

fantasy art calls for this "style" because fans of the genre call for it. you can thank blizzard for that

>>2180723
this still looks like shit tbh, she looks like an actual fucking monkey

[Anonymous No.2181358]

>>2181344
Yes, a day scene. Obviously a campfire isn't going to light up the moon.

[Anonymous No.2181376]

>>2180723
I actually like this and I hate anime

[Anonymous No.2181450]

>"Maaan I see so many illustrations getting published and I'm like totally better than them. IDK why I can't find any work! I've tried really hard"
>Well... what have you done to promote yourself?
>"I post on DA every week."

My pet peeve is how many illustrators think that just because they're good, they automatically deserve work. It is astounding how many people neglect practicing and developing their marketing and networking skills.

[Anonymous No.2181454]

>>2181376
You are secretly a weeb.

[Anonymous No.2181542]

>>2181450
Faggy art trades and whatever else passes for marketing and networking are bullshit and more trouble than they're worth. Unless you're talking about people needing to do shit outside of DA, in which case I agree.

[Anonymous No.2181556]

>>2180521
>when illustrators, animators, and concept artists think they're on the same level as real artists

[Anonymous No.2181562]

My biggest pet peeve is people who plateau because they don't challenge themselves and never leave the comfort zone.

Be it deviantart oc animufags, tumblr fanpandering rednosers, wow/lol-like renderwhores, or 'I'm so above realistic painting' 2deep4u special snowflake abstract shitters.

It means I probably hate about 99% people who draw

[Anonymous No.2181608]

>>2181556
>when anon has a subjective definition of "artist"

[Anonymous No.2181645]

>>2181556
Sorry dude, but 'fine arts' is trash. Nobody will remember damien hirst or tracy emin. Art books of the 22nd century will tell you the 20th century was about television, disney, and lolcats.

Consider all the art in fine art books now, going back to antiquity. 90% of that shit was done on commission, for wealthy clients, to suit a specific purpose. Sounds a lot like what people might call 'illustration' nowadays.

There are no 'levels', just history.

[Anonymous No.2181676]

>>2180548
I actually really enjoy that style and intend to adopt it.

[Anonymous No.2181677]

>>2181645
>'fine arts' is trash
stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.2181683]

>>2181645
I hate to break it to you, or maybe rain on your parade, but thank god you're anonymous, because you just made a huge fool of yourself. What you said was completely laughable. Please, go think about what you said.
Because it's absolutely fucking retarded.

sincerely... an art history/history/fine arts scholar.

[Anonymous No.2181689]

>>2181645
Wait. Wait. Let me educate you.
The fine arts is not just "picasso" or muh tracy emin. Shut the fuck up, cherry picking asshole -- because you need a new one ripped btw


The fine arts are like a tree. There's a ton of branches.
Example:
Sculpture, dance, theatre, film, architecture, and oh... did I mention: concept art?
2d work aka painting, drawing, anything of that sort? Fine art is literally a bunch of things and can be within perspective, anything. However there's also perspectives. One man's trash is another man's masterpiece. Nobody argue over what "Art" is, shut the fuck up.
Fine art is also a foundation of culture.
Fine art has been remembered since of the earliest of human civilization.

Go fuck yourself you stupid shit, you know nothing about art. And yeah, I probably wasted my time spewing out this on /ic/, but maybe theres a few intelligent people who will laugh at you and how stupid you are.


TL;DR: read the paragraph, lazy fuck

[Anonymous No.2181690]

>>2181683

I agree with you except when it comes to Hirst. He's going to be the contemporary equivalent of Bouguereau. Dada, Cubist, modernist, pop art, even kitch artists will be remembered. Hirst will as well though I think he'll have a negative connotation to his name because his work is so irredeemably contrived and vapid. It' already happening, his sale prices are currently plummeting and he can't get rid of some of his work

[Anonymous No.2181692]

>>2181690
I think you responded to the wrong person.

[Anonymous No.2181698]

>>2181683

Kitch is going to have some respect but I don't think anywhere near what dada or pop art will. Koons makes me sick. Nothing new there, he just took what Lichtenstein and Warhol did along with Duchamp. Plus he's fake, superficial, only in it for the money, and is terrible in interviews. History doesn't like that kind of narrative. Why do you think Rembrandt is so much more famous than Rubens?

[Anonymous No.2181699]

>>2181692
I'm just rambling about how shit the current contemporary art world is.

[Anonymous No.2181706]

>>2181699
go on..

[Anonymous No.2181714]

donut assholes

[Anonymous No.2182155]

>>2181689

>Fine art is literally a bunch of things and can be within perspective, anything. However there's also perspectives.

Spewing indeed. Was that supposed to mean something?

>Fine art has been remembered since of the earliest of human civilization.

Not very much of the art you're thinking of would be considered 'fine art' if someone we're doing it today. It would probably be called 'commercial art', or 'selling out', or 'trash for the masses'. It would not be categorized with the art-for-art's-sake, pushing new boundaries, avant garde 'fine art' made today (which, depsite the supposed highly personal, philosophical, or forward thinking nature of the work, are in the end, just objects to be traded like stocks by billionaires)

>>2181683
Not an argument.

>>2181677
I suppose I'm exaggerating, being a bit vitriolic. I even like some of damien hirst's work, but in the eyes of history, most of what we've called fine art in the 20th century will vanish.

[Anonymous No.2182158]

>>2182155
Unless you come from the future that's a pretty silly argument

[Anonymous No.2182174]

>>2180723
Even Korra had it some times, nowhere near as bad as your usual anime, I had to make the exact same argument in this thread on /co/ because people were defending sidemouth as anything other than a cheap trick to save money. I edited Korra's mouth ever so slightly but not Mako's to prove my point.
>>2180872
A lot of styles just have a very pointy chin that makes it look very unaesthetic to have certain angles, frankly a lot of anime styels don't work in an actual 3dimensional way and are best represented in 2d.

[Anonymous No.2182192]

>>2182158
It's more of a prediction, based on what's popular, what seems to have a real cultural impact, and what's a better reflection of the times. Fine art, as we call it these days, can be interesting, but is rarely any of those things.

However, the real reason nobody remembers damien hirst is because when the aliens took over, they erased human history. So there's that.

[Anonymous No.2182197]

>>2180521
I have a decent following on instagram and I hate when ppl badly redraw my artwork and tag it as "inspired by anon". It's not inspired you dumbasses, you just copied my shit.

I also hate when fan artists post their art with some stupid pretentious caption, acting like their work is deep and meaningful. Itsbirdy does this sometimes and it drives me nuts. Stop drawing pokemon and make something original for once, for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.2182214]

>>2182197
nice humblebrag, bro

[Anonymous No.2182417]

>>2180732
Wow that's way better holy shit

[Anonymous No.2182425]

>>2182214
More like just regular bragging

[Anonymous No.2182455]

>>2182197
You sound like an obnoxious cunt tbh.

>some stupid pretentious caption
The only pretentious one here is you, who thinks he's knows what is and isn't genuine.

>deep and meaningful
>people give meaning to things
>meaning you don't understand because you're not that person
Do you think before you voice your opinions?

>make something original
Oh, you're a >muh original babby too. This is starting to make sense.

[Anonymous No.2182504]

>>2180929
>>2180732
i tried it too, but the chin doesn't fit with the forehead i think
you'd have to redo and repostition a lot in order to make it look completely right. especially the neck was just completely wrong. the ears are probably wrong too.

[Anonymous No.2183027]

>>2181645
Just because something is remembered doesn't mean it's good. There are many great arts that are forgotten. Art history narrative right now for example remembers modern art, most of which is shit. Most of what art history especially the last few centuries only made it in textbooks because they're historical curiosities. Little more. Like animators and illustrators.

Fine art at least can reach to the same level as Raphael's school of athens (though not saying anyone today can), whereas industry art can not, ever, even with all the high tech gadgetry.

[Anonymous No.2183088]

>>2183027
The School of Athens would not even be considered 'industry art', it was wall decoration for a rich patron, and was not done in the same spirit as fine art is done today.

It is considered part of 'fine art' because of its place in history. We've decided it's an important work for one reason or another.

Most of what is considered fine art, historically, falls into the same category, and I would argue that modern movies, public art, and illustration fit into the same category better than any gallery painter or sculptor.

My point is that because it was created to serve a purpose beyond itself, it must have had some significance relative to the culture and era in which is was produced.

The work produced by the fine arts industry today is totally removed from what's going on in the world. Somewhere along the line we decided that art only exists in terms of itself and other works of art. Or that somehow the artist's personal exploration is the most important thing. Nothing they create has any cultural relevance (and if it does, it's totally buried beneath an opaque fog of esoteric interpretation, incomprehensible to 99% of the population), because there was nothing in the culture that demanded its creation.

So, sadly, some trend in video game art, despite also being trash, is far more likely to end up in a 22nd century art textbook. But really, movies you guys, the 20th century was all about movies. It'll go: Neoclassical, Romanticism, Monet, Picasso, Chaplin, Hitchcock, Kubrick...

[Anonymous No.2183093]

>>2183088

fucking stupid. Film will have its own chronology the same way music does. Non moving visual arts will be in the same canon. What you're saying is completely illogical. Some people are so uninsightful it hurts

[Anonymous No.2183102]

>>2183088
I didn't consider school of athens industry art. I'm saying industry art (by that I meant as a shortened term for entertainment industry) cannot at its highest achieve to the level of the highest attainable by fine art. Alas, almost all fine art is shit today, and it seems there's the paradox of our time that for something to be relevant to our culture, it will have to have no merit aside from its relevance because of the culture itself. It changes so rapidly that what is relevant now can truly literally be forgotten the next few years or even the next month. I doubt any great artist really cared about being relevant as much as we do now.

[Anonymous No.2183103]

>>2181084
>no visual priority

I'm an amateur and a pleb, and didn't have the art language to explain why I didn't like those pictures. That phrase explains it for me.

[Anonymous No.2183353]

Why doesn't Wacom do paypal?

[Anonymous No.2183380]

>>2183093
I'm looking at a visual arts textbook right now that covers art from prehistory up to the 1990s. It contains a section on video art and video installations. Perhaps this section will contain movies that are not so shitty and more culturally relevant in the future.

>>2183102
>industry art

Yea, I know what you meant. I was just talking about the perceived level of quality attributed to the intentions of an artist. Fine artists don't take commercial art (eg industry art) as seriously because they think somehow they need to be unfettered to create truly good art. I'm saying they would look at someone hired to do School of Athens today in the same light. Imagine if someone was hired to paint a mural at Microsoft's offices, or in some Wall Street firm. They won't be taken seriously by the fine arts community because they're sellouts.

>it seems there's the paradox of our time that for something to be relevant to our culture, it will have to have no merit aside from its relevance because of the culture itself.

I think it only seems that way in the short term. People will have to look back on it and ask whether it tells them something about the people who made it. If it does, it's probably because it was made to serve some purpose, not because it was trying to be relevant. Eventually, what was really important will make itself apparent.

[Anonymous No.2183434]

>>2183380
>Fine artists don't take commercial art (eg industry art) as seriously because they think somehow they need to be unfettered to create truly good art.

No such thing as fine art in the modern world.

[Anonymous No.2183443]

>>2183434
Is that so? Can you explain?

[Anonymous No.2183483]

>>2183443
What's to explain? They don't teach people anatomy or anything related to technical skills in art colleges. Contemporary art is entirely subjective and very often political. It focuses more on the perceived message of tha tartist than anything remotely related to skill or technical proficiency. I'm not saying the latter should be the only thing of merit in art, but it should play some part.

[Anonymous No.2183489]

>>2183443
Also, in case you think I'm being a cynical reactionary asshole, look up any list of contemporary artists who are popular or selling for millions. Hell, let me do it for you:

http://www.businessinsider.com/top-living-contemporary-artists-2012-4?op=1

There's nothing of value to be found in the contemporary art world. It's just fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.2183495]

>>2183434
I'm pretty sure you also think fine arts are only paintings

[Anonymous No.2183501]

>>2183495
The medium is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.2183542]

>>2180872
I think this is due to them trying to avoid creating giraffes. But they're doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.2183546]

>>2180521

>can I watch you drawl?

Thank god this ended in high school.

[Anonymous No.2183635]

>>2183483
I guess what you're saying is that 'comtemporary art' should not be considered 'fine art'? I dunno, I prefer to use common definitions. If people think Gerhard Richter is fine art, then let's just call it that.

>>2183489
I actually like Gormley's Angel. It's beautiful. I like other 'contemporary art' (as you would call it) as well. I just don't think very much of it is culturally relevant. It's too far up its own ass.

[Anonymous No.2183670]

>>2180521
>it's my child's birthday soon, her room is still so empty. can you paint some animals / flowers / jungle / zoo

[Anonymous No.2183702]

>>2182197
based andy daly

[Anonymous No.2184309]

Anime in general
I hate how generic it all looks and of course side mouth

[Anonymous No.2184322]

anime characters and how they look like they have a snout in the profile. i dont understand why this is popular. i guess it's just one of those things thats so prevalent that it doesn't go away. seriously. it's so unsettling and grotesque.

[Anonymous No.2184336]

>>2184322
I think lacking a snout, as in having a flat face, is actually an undesirable trait. Not saying to go full monkeyjaw, but all those "handsome" male celebrities and such have a slight snout from their jaws and chin.

[Anonymous No.2184540]

People who take pride in their own ignorance.

You know who I'm talking about

[Anonymous No.2184638]

>>2183489
Jesus fucking christ. The money laundering and the fact more than half are Chinese.


On a related note, I dislike art schools, or moreover, universities with art programs up to masters. They can never be arsed to get competent teachers of anatomy/perspective and rely heavily on "personal expression". Exempt the people going are usually bored rich kids with no talent who paint total bullshit. That or fucking weaboo furries looking for an excuse to draw their horrendous anime art.

[Anonymous No.2185491]

>>2181645

ok but who the fuck is going to remember your favourite deviantart illustrator? Fuck I can't even name more than 5 'famous' ones myself.

[Anonymous No.2185518]

>>2185491
The difference is that unlike fine art faggots, illustrators aren't obsessed with being remembered in the first place. It doesn't matter to them if they are forgotten by art history, they had a career doing the thing they enjoy, that's all they ever wanted.

[Anonymous No.2186758]

>>2180654
Go and hang out with your vegan friends you retarded art school feminist...

[Anonymous No.2186765]

>>2184540
I know an "artist" who has never so much as studied the basics, he believes that anyone who studies lacks intelligence and the ability to create their own individual style.

His artwork is obviously shitty to the point of adolescent classroom scratchings, but he's convinced he'll somehow go from that to old master tier with a little perseverance.

[Anonymous No.2186768]

>>2185518
So noble, so fuck off you ingrate.

[Anonymous No.2186770]

>>2186768
kek attention whore

[Anonymous No.2186773]

>>2186770
>someone who makes commercial art calling a fine artist an attention whore
You can't be very bright

[Anonymous No.2186774]

>>2186773
>said the attention whore

you like this post don't you? you like me giving you attention, you like it so hard it makes it fine arts.

[Anonymous No.2186859]

>>2181454
My favorite is ching chong wongalong. It's about a school girl who fights baddies

[Anonymous No.2186878]

>when strangers assume things about you because you're an artist
>for example they assume it's your passion like you're some fag
>when strangers ask personal questions about you they normally wouldn't ask other strangers

[Anonymous No.2187632]

>draw lewd once in a while, don't normally do this
>dick won't stop leaking precum

[Anonymous No.2187647]

>>2185491
>>2185518

Well, no, I wouldn't suggest that anyone working in illustration except possibly the cream of the crop, or someone integral to some larger project, has a chance of inclusion, I would just use illustration as an example of the *type* of work I think will qualify. Basically, something that serves a purpose other than itself, something commissioned, and something with a large cultural effect. I don't think illustration fills the last category very well.

[Anonymous No.2188307]

>>2186765
That lightly rustled my jimmies.

[Anonymous No.2188728]

>can see the shadow of my fat disgusting head when I'm drawing

[Anonymous No.2188746]

>>2180521
>Drawing something perfect on the right side of the paper
>Perfection has been achieved
>Has to draw same thing on the right side to be symmetrical
>Eats shit trying to draw it on left side
>Won't ever look the same or near the same

[Anonymous No.2188754]

>Friend asks me for advice on her art and anatomy
>Always dumb stuff she could research on her own more effectively
>Give advice and tutorial links
>she never opens links
>Rebukes advice I say and acts like she has it all figured out

She started doing this weekly right after I said one of her ugly pieces was fine because i was tired.

[Anonymous No.2188762]

>>2182197
>I have a decent following on instagram and I hate when ppl badly redraw my artwork and tag it as "inspired by anon".
I don't understand why people post redrawn stuff. Its just practice and nothing really worth showing.

[Anonymous No.2188765]

>>2186878
>>when strangers assume things about you because you're an artist
>>for example they assume it's your passion like you're some fag
What? You're a professional who doesn't feel passionate about making art?

[Anonymous No.2189127]

>>2183670
uuuuuugh

[Anonymous No.2189516]

>>2188765
One can be serious about something but not "passionate" about it. One wouldn't assume that a shoemaker is passionate about shoemaking the same way he would of an artist, even if he knows his craft well. After having learned of the profession of a stranger as a shoemaker, the other wouldn't normally say something quite like "it's good that you follow your passion." Nor indeed of a physician or a builder. To the artist alone is this folly ascribed.

[Anonymous No.2189518]

>>2188762
so sempai can notice them

[Anonymous No.2189564]

>>2180920
>also beginners that sign/watermark their work.

This.

So much this.

Why is it always when someone shows me their drawings or I see that shit posted online it looks like they spent more time on their fucking signature than the actual drawing?

[Anonymous No.2189768]

I dislike when people say that texture is important in character design.

>>2184309
Try look for some artist that try to convey volume through as little means as possible or those that take perspective in consideration. I am not saying that you will do a 180 and admire the anime style at whole but you might respect some of the ones who are putting some work into it.

You don't have to like it to respect it, honestly same goes for everything else really.

[Anonymous No.2189772]

>>2184540
Less competition is good.

[Anonymous No.2189917]

Following with anime, when a convoluted fight scene with rapid movements and extreme shaky camera angles and colorful effects is considered brilliant animation. An example:

http://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/15378/animated-debris-effects-fate_series-fate-stay_nigh

There is nothing amazing about this, specially since they all look the same and there's no creativity to it. Also you can cheat a lot on the movements because it's difficult to notice at that speed.

A character's face showing real human-like emotions I consider actual brilliant animation.

[Anonymous No.2189930]

>enjoying artist's work in the gallery/exhibition
>check to see the title of the painting
>"untitled "

[Anonymous No.2190067]

>>2189930
I'm somewhat guilty of that. I consider the naming of a piece the mark of it being done.

[Anonymous No.2190232]

>>2181009
>everyone's art sucks but mine!
>No you can't see it!

[Anonymous No.2190428]

>>2189917
I see what you mean, but you are only taking skill and drawing into account.

There is a lot involved in making these not-so-great frames to look dynamic and actually fight-like. So the editing in these is pretty good and probably deserve some credit.

[Anonymous No.2190640]

>>2190428
No, I'm primarily taking artistic merit into account, because that kind of fight scene does nothing for me (maybe because I'm not a weeb). I'm just adding that the skill merit is also unimpressive because, even if it's complex and difficult to draw, it still looks exactly the same as any other fight scene, which means there's no creativity involved, just a robotic copy-pasting of techniques.

Another random example

http://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/16194/animated-artist_unknown-fighting-presumed-punchlin

[Anonymous No.2190645]

>>2190067
I'm conflicted on this. Names are usually stupid, cliched or pretentious (there's literally no string of words you could use that will be completely original), but indeed a work that simply doesn't have a title still feels incomplete even though I usually regret hearing the name of a piece more often than I appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.2190648]

>>2189930
>tfw all your pics are called "boob lady", "girl with skirt"

[Anonymous No.2190654]

>>2183670
You could just take random shit out of your sketch book you already did. It doesn't even have to be good, its just for some dumbass kid,

[Anonymous No.2190713]

>>2190645
I'm quite sure a blank instead of "untitled" would solve it.

[Anonymous No.2190750]

>>2189917
I, too, hate anime fight scenes.

[Anonymous No.2190813]

>>2190640
I understand where you come from though, but using Fate/stay night as an example for this is like complaining about the explosives in a Michael Bay movie. So it sounds more like you want to position yourself on a high horse because shitty cinematography, choreography and flashing effects is by far not exclusive to anime.

[Anonymous No.2191023]

>>2190645
When I need to name a piece, I just name it whatever the picture shows e.g. 'girl with flowers' or 'mercenary in desert'. If the painting is good, nobody realy gives a shit

[Anonymous No.2191025]

>>2190750
that's like a parody right?

[Anonymous No.2191031]

>>2189917
I mean it looks good enough. What do you expect from two superheros dudes fighting? Also, what you consider "cheating" is probably just limb breaking and warping to enhance the motion, it would be really dull otherwise.

[Anonymous No.2191210]

>>2180521
Anti-cheesecake/socjus fantasy artists whose purposefully 'practical' armor wouldn't work in real life.

[Anonymous No.2191350]

>>2191210
They think to fix a Armor you justh have to entirely cover the character. Because that's the only thing ever pointed out at bikini armor.

I like giving my characters (male or female) light armor for greater mobility, but I won't make them nude anyway, so it doesn't look fanservicy either way.

[Anonymous No.2191357]

>>2191210
I add to you since it's related.
Whenever they try to fix a design and they are clearly light years behind the original artist in both skill and thinking so the "fixed" design would never actually work both contextually or in motion because they never gave that a thought.

An example is the redesign of Samus Zero suit.

[Anonymous No.2191361]

>>2191210
DANG <3

[Anonymous No.2191370]

>>2191210
>impyling practical armor isn't better than retarded tit armor that leads all stabs right into your stupid heart

[Anonymous No.2191383]

>>2191370
I don't think he's saying practical armour sucks, I think he's saying that people who TRY to draw practical designs and end up making it something impractical suck.

That said, just because someone puts a person in a full suit of armour doesn't mean they're going for practicality. Odds are they're going more for the rule of cool

Shame, then, that nothing will look cooler than ACTUAL Medieval plate designs.

[Anonymous No.2191427]

>>2191383
Case in point: Dragon Age vs Dark Souls

[Anonymous No.2191432]

if i just download a ton of resources and dream about getting gud, without actually doing anything, ill make it, right guys?

[Anonymous No.2191504]

>>2191370
>Pic related somehow wouldn't be just as bad with hit direction.
The plates overlap in ways that invite stabs, the crotch is completely unprotected, the gauntlets are inconsistent, the inner arms are completely exposed, and all things considered, a chainmail bikini warrior could outmanouver them since the dinky little feet, the armor on which would already prevent mobility, would break quicker than a liefeld character's.

[Anonymous No.2191541]

>>2191432
there is so much people who do this that I wouldn't be surprised if it worked for someone

[Anonymous No.2191546]

>>2191370
I WANT TUMBLR TO LEAVE

[Anonymous No.2191554]

When people don't draw the back of the cranium.

Midpoint of the skull starts at the ear!! The cranium transitions to the nape on the same general line as the bottom of the nose!! It's not difficult!! And yet again and again I see those muh styles and weeaboos produce those fucking chinookan flatheads.

For some reason it annoys me way above and beyond any other anatomical errors.

[Anonymous No.2191557]

>>2191504
Are you seriously arguing the impractical functionality of the clothes in what's clearly a heavily stylized picture.

[Anonymous No.2191578]

>>2181258
>one defensive anon = so many

[Anonymous No.2191630]

>>2191557
In this artist's case, because I know the autist, muh style is not a valid defense when you use it to browbeat your peers and you draw worse than liefeld.

[Anonymous No.2191699]

>>2191557
>heavily stylized picture.

>Muh style to get around terrible drawing and avoiding feet.

Every time.

>>2191630
>and you draw worse than liefeld.

Liefeld has improved pretty significantly since the New Mutants and original Image era, and while his characters have had terrible ballet slipper feet all the time and the anatomy could get out of control a lot of the time his designs were fun and his characters were very dynamic (for the time).

But he does have some weaknesses (said feet, anatomy, weird crotch shots all the time).

[Anonymous No.2191727]

>>2180651
>>2180685
when done right it can look fine (when the lips an jaw move with the mouth animation) see >>2182174
most anime don't seem to have the budget to allocate the time to do it properly tho

>>2182192
the only way nobody remembers damien hirst is if god is actually real

>>2182504
when y'all fixin the shoulders an titties tho

>>2190640
as someone who animates in a similar style, it's really fun to do. while i agree that those fights in particular are p bland an lacking in terms of creative action, what you fail to understand in terms of that kind of story telling is that a fight is a conversation, it is the emotion, like a song in a musical, a fight in a moving picture should be characters expressing themselves in a way that pure word cannot, a boiling over of sorts. for full effect you need proper build up and context for why what is occurring is occurring. a fight deprived of context is merely a random act of violence. a well animated character emoting can be just as empty an exhibition of skill in the same lack of context.

>>2191699
liefeld did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.2191747]

When artists only draw one kind of face.

I don't mean when artists only draw one kind of eyes, nose, and chin for everything (although that is bullshit). I mean when they seem incapable of emoting through their characters or over-exaggerating their emotions.

Like look at Onagi's porn stuff. Every girl has the same face, even during sex. These girls are supposedly in the throes of sexual rapture, but look like they don't even notice anything is there.

[Anonymous No.2191818]

>>2191747
I'll admit I have trouble when it comes to giving my characters more expressive... expressions. My art leans more towards a manga-ish style with a bit more emphasis on realism (think Berserk)

Only problem is I can't really do expressions all that well without them either looking completely overly dramatic or rather stoic. Anyone have any advice for this?

[Anonymous No.2191827]

>>2186758
>>2180667
>>2180722
Why don't you respect women? Your parents didn't teach you the basics of respect? Dang

[Anonymous No.2191832]

>>2191541
>>2191432
I'm of the mind that just looking at and absorbing good method and technique will make you better. Not as much as actually practicing it, but in that way that people mean when they say someone is talented where they know the right thing to do even if they can't do it reliably. It gives you the eye.

[Anonymous No.2191836]

>>2191818
Build a skull in blue or on a different layer and work the muscle and skin over top of it for a couple different expressions. You find the range of what you can do before it starts to be too much. Most of the time, there's one or two key muscles that make an expression and it doesn't take much to make them emote as such.

Slight amusement, coy smiles, grimaces and shit-eating grins are the best place to start as they only work with a stoic base. Think Clint Eastwood and take it a step or two further than that.

[Anonymous No.2191858]

>>2191827
Crying and stamping your feet on the ground is not an action worthy of respect.

[Anonymous No.2191868]

>>2191858
Did your mom did that? I mean, who does this except exhausted to the core moms?

[Anonymous No.2191887]

>>2191868
feminists, when they see something that disagrees with their worldview.

[Anonymous No.2191897]

>>2191887
How many feminists have you met outside of the internet, son?
You do realize that:
1. American Tumblr feminism isn't the universal norm
2. Tumblr =/= real life
3. there is a world offline

[Anonymous No.2191909]

>>2189564
You should always sign your work nigger.

Obviously massive doughnut steel watermarks are retarded, but a signature is a good thing to have. Even for a beginner.

[Anonymous No.2191915]

>be mentally ill (bipolar)
>everyone always tells me that's why I'm so good at art
I'm good (ish) because i practice, and in spite of my brain chemistry being retarded

[Anonymous No.2191916]

>>2191909
It takes years to learn how to do a tasteful and unobtrusive signature. Also beginners don't need a nom de geurre and that shit tends to change once you get your shit down and start to establish a style.

[Anonymous No.2191917]

>>2191909
Signatures are extremely corny.

A small watermark in the corner of a piece is the absolute best way to 'sign' your work (assuming it's digital)

[Anonymous No.2191921]

>>2191916
>>2191917
It doesn't take years to make a tasteful signature, literally sign your name in the corner fairly small and that's you done.
I did this when I first learned to write my name and sign my fingerpaintings and i still do it now.

I think the only reason not to sign is either if it's commercial, or you have some sense of shame about your work. You don't get better by being ashamed.

[Anonymous No.2191950]

>>2191897
Wow, too bad you're on the Internet! Go preach somewhere else, Green Peace.

>>2191909
>You should always sign your work nigger.
This is funny, because you write so poorly I actually pictured someone signing "nigger" on their work.

>>2191915
What the fuck, being bipolar is seen as an advantage? These niggers make all sorts of excuses not to draw.

[Anonymous No.2191952]

>>2191950
Everyone makes all sorts of excuses not to draw.

[Anonymous No.2191966]

>>2191836
Smart advice, thanks for the tip. I'll get right on that.

[Anonymous No.2191968]

>>2191350
I do this too. I don't often draw armor but when I do, its light weight and mobile, not skimpy either. You can make hot looking armors for females without stripping them nude. Body suits work well for that, showing the figure and form of the characters while maintaining armor-esque qualities.

[Anonymous No.2191971]

>>2181253
can we start calling newfags like this out anytime soon?

Fucking "post your work" tier response

[Anonymous No.2191975]

>>2191966
I forgot to add that the most important thing is to see how muscles contract and make new curves that are the key to expressions and how seeing the entire jaw full of teeth gives you a better understanding of what the lips cover up and how they do so. It's the same as with eyelids only far more nuanced.

[Anonymous No.2191978]

>>2191968
Not a direct reply, but something on the same page.

One of my gripes is when people make mail armour skin tight for what reason. Like it's a bodysuit.

No, fuck off. If you had steel mail grinding against your crotch it'd fucking hurt more than the damn sword stabs it's supposed to be protecting you from.

As for a direct reply, I've always been a fan of thigh high leather boots, tbh. Something like in the pic.

[Anonymous No.2191995]

>>2191950
i guess because van gogh deranged they make the connection that everyone else with mental illness is deep, since he's the only artist who's personal life people know about.
It's not seen as an advantage to me. Like you say, I make all sorts of excuses not to draw.
When I'm depressed, I don't want to do anything, when I'm manic I can spend days drawing, but sometimes it's drawing symbols on my body or painting with a butcher knife.

Need to use the old "creativity killing" medicine to work consistency and professionally.

[Anonymous No.2191996]

>>2191210
'Practical' isn't the right word, but it's faster to write than 'armor that is unrealistic but maintains suspension of disbelief by not doing retarded shit like exposing the wearer's softest body parts to attack'.

[Anonymous No.2191998]

>>2180863
>porn
>how do i start making money asap? threads
>new threads with a single image with an obviously foreign OP going "my first draw what do you think? :)"
>people walk on eggshells
>/co/ tier drawthreads
>post your work is now a common argument
>things we used to cringe and make fun of before are now defended to all hell
>how do i pander to make more money? threads
>you're just jealous is now a common argument used unironically
>people endorse polishing a turd instead of scrapping a drawing that was hopeless from the beginning
>this place is totally not a hugbox you're just an edgy oldfag
>pointless e-celeb drama like "what does /ic/ think of sycra?" threads
>people who never read the sticky and complain when they're not given a shortcut like "hey /ic/ whats a quick way to git gud?"
>generally people who are in a hurry to start making money and who are not genuinely interested in developing their technical skills first

[Anonymous No.2192001]

>>2191978
Have you ever worn chain mail? It's so heavy it hangs tight to your skin, and it does feel sort of smooth, not grating at all.
of course, a chain mail banana hammock is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.2192003]

>>2180920
>work

god i hate that word

[Anonymous No.2192005]

>>2191868
Anyone that does that.
Crying about not getting any respect is not an action that is deemed worthy of gaining respect. You are and forever will be the crybaby.
Your mother with a goatee probably never knew how to deal with that when you cried for stuff you didn't deserve.

[Anonymous No.2192006]

>>2192003
Well... you're going to have to get over that.

[Anonymous No.2192013]

>>2192001
I have, and it's not totally uncomfortable besides the weight. What I mean, however, is that certain people draw that stuff as though it was latex.

[Anonymous No.2192015]

>>2192003
I suppose everyone should just say "my doodles" or "my shitty scribbling, sorry it offends your eyes" rather than be so pretentious and vain as to call work work.

[Anonymous No.2192346]

>>2180863

>critiques where the person is an asshole for no reason on top of giving a really shitty critique
>people who gobble bait like turkeys
>people saying their subjective feelings towards a work means it's objectively shit
>socially progressive/feminist straw puppets, neoreactionary straw puppets, straw puppet straw puppets
>people with an okay grasp of the basics that draw really boring shit wondering why they aren't as popular as someone who draws in a less technical yet more confident populist style

general internet art pet peeves
>don't tag my art as "me"
>ugh, why do my sketches get so much more popular than my finished work
>ugh, why does my fanart always get more notice than my original work
>ugh, why do kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch
>"i'm gonna draw" comic where the punchline is that they didn't draw
>overly self depreciating their work
>adults with chips on their shoulders sending easily manipulable armies of teenagers/idiot adults to harass artists who are often struggling to make it out of poverty

[Anonymous No.2192354]

>>2181450
Well what else is there to do when you are a beginner? Help me out mr man.

[Anonymous No.2192365]

>>2192015
>"my doodles" or "my shitty scribbling, sorry it offends your eyes"

Hey, this is MY pet peeve!

>doodles

Either 1), they worked all day on it and it's still garbage, but they don't want critics to take their claws out when they examine their work; or 2), they're counting on the loose and overlapping lines of a quick sketch to trigger the automatic correction effect in the human brain so that people will think it's better than it really is.

>my shitty scribbling, sorry it offends your eyes

They're trying to dampen the hurt of vicious criticism by beating the critics to the punch. They then throw a tantrum when they find out there's more than enough punches for everyone.

[Anonymous No.2192416]

>>2192365
This exactly.
There's nothing to be gained by being defensive or ashamed of your work.
Show it to people, be proud, and take criticism well, and learn from it if it's constructive.

That said, I do find it difficult to produce my work with anything other than a simple "this is what I did"

[Anonymous No.2192419]

>>2192416
you don't even gotta say words tho on most sites, just leave it blank or put like a period or somethin

[Anonymous No.2192485]

>>2191998
I'm back to /ic/ today, after about a 3 years hiatus. I left because college, but holy shit, you're scaring me. Did the /ic/ crew move to anywhere else?

>>2192003
In Brazil, people from Design and related companies will call any paid job a "job" (in English).
So "I have a job to do" comes out "Tenho um job pra fazer", which is fucking ridiculous.

They also call both freelancing or freelance work "freela".

And there's a word "rafe" that should mean "rough", but it's pronounced like "hoffee".

Speaking of words, I utterly hate when someone says a work is stunning or breathtaking. Fucking overused, these people must be asthmatic.

[Anonymous No.2192498]

>>2192485
I'm from old school /ic/ as well. When I came back a month or so back, everything's turned into anime. I remember we used to hate anime. It might be due more to the internet and art (tumblr becoming more popular, patreon, etc) changing and /ic/ reacting to.

[Anonymous No.2192511]

>>2192485
>Speaking of words, I utterly hate when someone says a work is stunning or breathtaking. Fucking overused, these people must be asthmatic.
Nice one

[Anonymous No.2192525]

>>2192498
>>2192485
It's just been a really bad summer. The whole chan went soft over the past few years as well, but this summer has been awful from the first minute. It should clear up a little next month or so.

I'm more bothered with how much of /ic/ IS tumblr art and worried about the drain in talent not doing shitty concept art.

[Anonymous No.2192749]

>>2192485
Well that's what i meant with the word "work". It's like the words "art" or "artist" when referred to any type of drawing. There really isn't a drawn line today between an actual professional "artist" and an amateur.

They're used when referring to every person online who posts drawings, even on this board the most technically unskilled abominations are referred to as "work".

I guess this is because it's really so subjective as to what can be deemed as "art" and what as a drawing of a novice. But when you start calling every person on tumblr as an artist, or every frozen fanart as a piece of artwork, that's when there's a problem.

[Anonymous No.2192785]

>>2192005
What
Literally what
I'm not complaining about anything, I'm just calling out an obvious bias in your image of women

>>2191950
>>>/pol/ you have your containment board, ffs

[Anonymous No.2192844]

>>2192785
You are the one with a bias here if you sincerely think crybabies are all automatically women. Do you have an inferiority complex?

[Anonymous No.2192863]

>>2192749
The problem, and something that bugs me, is that there is really no divide between an amateur and a professional other than money and they way they are expected to comport themselves. It's especially a problem in creative cottage industries like art, crafts, and tabletop design. Many clients don't even treat you like a professional or expect you to act like one. Many 'artists' don't know the difference between a customer and a client.

I don't really have a problem with "works" and "art" being used the way they are, but there really does need to be a delineation of "artist" as a job or career and not a hobby. Designers already have that, though they were once called artists. I feel like if you do man's work, you should be treated like a man and if you want to call yourself a man, you should act like one. There's too many boys playing pretend and no one can tell the difference.

Something else I don't like is how industrial the art world has become. Everything is entirely about branding and marketing and portfolios and networking and focused creative output has been lost. Almost no one is saying anything but "hire me" even if they aren't looking for a job. I see all this concept art but no proof of concept. I don't see artists proving they can work together with other disciplines to deliver.

[Anonymous No.2192869]

>>2192863
That's because most artists are shitty writers and pretty much just enjoy drawing stuff over and over again, being too self-absorbed into a single craft.

They need someone with a more "director" vision to put them to good use.

[Anonymous No.2192876]

>>2192869
It's not just the lack of comics, it's also how there is little in the way of singular thematic pieces or a series of illustrations. No follow-through. No standalone works that make you want more.

Most artists being shit writers and needing someone to crack the whip is something I wholeheartedly agree with. It also usually starts shitfights when I suggest you only really have the time to git gud at one or the other and most likely lack the natural inclination for both.

I guess that's another gripe. Artists who think they can deliver shit outside their area of expertise. Nothing is more off-putting than an unfunny comic.

[Anonymous No.2194653]

Most of my pet peeves are from /ic/

>Drawing made by someone who's a professional
>"The anatomy is bad in this small part, so it's
shit"

>Some stylized drawing by someone who obviously knows how to draw
>"Looks like anime shit. Stop drawing."

>Someone asking for critique on his drawing
>"Looks like shit. Kill yourself, nigger."
>Why does it look like shit
>"Fuck off with your hugbox mentality. This is 4chan."

>Someone asking for some books, tips, techniques about X
>"Just go outside and draw from life, idiot"

>Self promotion thread
>"This looks like shit. That one looks like shit, too."

>"You don't draw the way I like, so it's shit. My opinion is fact."

[Anonymous No.2194654]

>>2194653
Why are you here.

[Anonymous No.2194657]

>>2191025
It's just painfully low-budgeted. Same series has some extremely impressive scenes.

[Anonymous No.2194658]

>>2194654
Because a lot of people here are actually cool. The ones I hate are probably just a handful of people who's probably from /a/, /v/ or /b/.

[Anonymous No.2194662]

>>2194658

Amen bruddah

[Anonymous No.2194664]

>>2182504
why her shoulders look like titties

[Anonymous No.2194665]

>>2190750
>Cherrypicking to justify anything

I hope you're not older than 13

[Anonymous No.2194766]

One of my pet peeves are the fucking retards on /ic/ who claim money/popularity means nothing to them, yet will turn around and whine so fucking much about it. Clear case of cognitive dissonance. Creating threads presenting as if they've found some DEEP underlying truth behind what's popular with the masses. They never had a lick of individuality in the first place so they never noticed it until the moment they started taking art a little more "seriously" and at the same time will be blind that their own vague fuckwit criteria/definition of "art" is the same. Then they feel as if they need to prance around /ic/ like a faggot over and over again on the subject that everyone already knows. They are more obsessed with romanticizing the idea of what being an artist/art is than truly working. They drag down and devalue the work of everyone around to get a fake sense of superiority/value to their work because they are too lazy to truly rise above. This is a trap for that beginners need to sorely avoid because it ends up being a path to stagnation. All these fucking poseurs need to knock it off or get the fuck out of /ic/. I will now attach a cartoon to this post.

[Anonymous No.2194775]

>mfw seeing someone unironically telling people to stop drawing fan art or pop culture

[Anonymous No.2194920]

>>2194775
What if it's shit and overplayed, like 2194751?

[Anonymous No.2194923]

>>2194775
What if it's shit and overplayed, like >>2194751?

[Anonymous No.2194927]

>>2194923
Because following trends and drawing what's "in" is a fool proof way of making people notice you

[Anonymous No.2195189]

> that dipshit who asks for advice
> points out flaws
> still calls it a finished product
or
> "well, it's not suppose to be realistic"

[Anonymous No.2195275]

>>2192525
I ask sincerely, not trying to provoke or anything, can you explain more about this tumblr is /ic/ ?

It is about the type of drawing, colours, style?

[Anonymous No.2195279]

>>2192525
>It should clear up a little next month or so.
i really fucking hope so. maybe it's just my imagination but it feels worse than the usual summers.

[Anonymous No.2195288]

What is this thread about? Never entered it before. Is it about things which are deviantart tier lame but normies and people with bad taste seem to enjoy, like sakimichan?

[Anonymous No.2195292]

>Uses rim light
>Does fanart
>Likes manga
>Only likes boring realistic art from 200 years ago
>Uses more than 5 brushes

[Anonymous No.2195484]

>>2195292
>Uses more than 5 brushes
What's wrong with that? I paint with an average of 8 brushes per session.

[Anonymous No.2195494]

>>2180730
Is that the chick from Atlantis?
>>2194653
Art is subjective, my friend.

[Anonymous No.2195500]

>>2195292
>Uses rim light
either in photography or illustration, rim light is a great tool: it gives additional volume infomation, allowing to compensate for the lack of it inherent to 2d media
>Does fanart
all the old masters did bible fan art. some of them were decent.
>Likes manga
objectively, the best contemporary art school
>Only likes boring realistic art
abstract "art" is a meaningless gimmick
>from 200 years ago
that would be retarded. do you really know anybody who thinks that?
>Uses more than 5 brushes
absolutely autistic. it's ok if the piece calls for it.

[Anonymous No.2195505]

>>2195494
>Art is subjective, my friend.

Woah. Fuck me. You're a genius, Sherlock. Jesus Christ.

How did you figure that out?

[Anonymous No.2195525]

>>2195500
>all the old masters did bible fan art.
This is what fan artists actually say to justify their making of fan art.

[Anonymous No.2195536]

>>2195500

>manga pleb who pays lip-service to "realistic art"

if minds could smell they'd smell like stale cum and unwashed sheets

[Anonymous No.2195537]

>>2195292
>Does fanart
>Likes manga
>Uses more than 5 brushes

There's literally nothing wrong with any of these things.

You're fucking retarded. You probably don't even draw.

[Anonymous No.2195555]

>>2195505
I think someone told me a while back.

[Anonymous No.2195556]

>>2195536
The amount of ignorance here is actually amazing

[Anonymous No.2195576]

>>2194927
I agree if it's just a thing they do on the side, but only people who crave attention or have no ideas of their own draw fanart/ pop culture shit exclusively.

[Anonymous No.2195584]

>>2195576
>Draw fan art
>Follow trends
>If you're popular enough people will take notice to your original work "Hey, [your name] drew this! I know that guy, he draws a lot of fan art of that thing I'm currently into!"

Boom. You've made a name for yourself.

[Anonymous No.2195612]

>>2195584
Except the reality is that people who look up fanart don't care about your original art. They're not going to go out of their way to look for more of your work unless you become their personal bitch and go out of your way to satisfy their demands.

Your approach is useful if you just want to make money with drawing -something-, but if you have specific goals for you want to do with art (comics, animated shortstories, a videogame or maybe just original drawings and designs) making Frozen fanart, is not going to do much to get people interested in what you have to say. It's the same with books. Getting an audience while writing what publishers and readers want to see is difficult enough, but it's an entirely different story when you want to do your own thing.

[Anonymous No.2195625]

>>2195612
Yeah, but the followers you've gained won't just suddenly disappear out of thin air when you draw other stuff as well. That's why they're your followers.

Some of those followers could very well be people that have followed you since the beginning, game developers, fellow artists, animators, professionals in other stuff that could use your art.

You can always go on to do your own thing. You can do it without any publicity beforehand, but that's obviously going to be harder assuming that your art isn't a breath of fresh air and is good enough to ride without training wheels.

Yeah.

Drawing fan art/pop culture is like having training wheels to make it easier to progress.

[Anonymous No.2195747]

>artist has a tumblr
>barely posts actual content but reblogs dozens unrelated crap every day

[Anonymous No.2195760]

>>2195747
This is why I have a different blog altogether for my art

[Anonymous No.2195789]

>>2195612
>>2195625
if you use tumblr, fanart is very useful

fanart goes around, gets easy exposure, people who like the... for lack of a better word, style, go back to your blog and look at your other work

this is all assuming you aren't trying to draw 100% on model when you draw tho (this is a marketable skill for animation/production art folk, but doesn't really bring eyes looking for original work)

[Anonymous No.2195792]

>>2195747
I'm guilty of this but it's because I haven't drawn anything fucking good lately

[Anonymous No.2195797]

>>2195792
should still have an art blog regardless
an art blog for when i actually art, and a reblog/shitpost blog that i reblog it onto as well

[Anonymous No.2195800]

>>2195797
I'm a cheap whore and I somewhat doubt that I'd have many followers if I didn't shitpost too. My shitposting has brought me followers who stayed for my art

[Anonymous No.2195806]

>>2195800
yeah, but having a separate blog for just art allows those who just want to follow the art to just follow the art. that way you get to have your cake and eat it too

[Anonymous No.2196283]

>>2195792
Then separate blogs, retard.

[Anonymous No.2197864]

I read this as "autistic pet peeves"

[Anonymous No.2197956]

>when they draw the hands/arms behind their back because they're to lazy to draw or just cant.

[Anonymous No.2198154]

>>2197956
>when they cut off the drawing at the hands and feet

[Anonymous No.2198166]

That almost nobody EVER animates a horse right. It's all about graphic details and no one seems to give a shit about the underlying structure.

Disney, 1941, Night on Bald Mountain. Those people could animate and they did it RIGHT! Where did all the skills go?

[Anonymous No.2198172]

>Artist starts using chromatic abberation
Make it stop

[Anonymous No.2198394]

>>2198172
Hey, some people like to make-up their mistakes instead of learning to draw. Got a problem with that?

[Anonymous No.2198419]

>>2198172
most of those dildoes don't even bother to throw a quick mask on it so not the whole pciture is thoroughly blurry as fuck, what's the fucking point then

[Anonymous No.2199353]

my biggest pet peeve
>being red blue color blind
fucking sucks dick, I want to color most of the pictures I draw but usually get laughed at because of the off color, some times completely coloring reds in as dark pinks.

[Anonymous No.2199364]

>>2199353
just add that you are colorblind or stop being a pussy and stop caring about what other think,you are colorblind it's not like it was your fault or you can change it.

[Anonymous No.2199367]

>>2199353
show your work my man

[Anonymous No.2199369]

>>2199367
none of it is in color and isn't all that great...

[Anonymous No.2199372]

>>2199367
It's eyes aren't pink I hope, are they anon?

[Anonymous No.2199374]

>>2199353
http://enchroma.com/product-category/color-blindness-glasses/
Check these puppies out

[Anonymous No.2199387]

>>2199374
I dont have 400$ to spend right now ö--ö
considered them before though.

[Anonymous No.2199412]

>>2199372
this thread was supposed to be about pet peeves but it just made me finish the first pokemon to a pokemon drawing challenge instead.

[Anonymous No.2199431]

>>2199412
have I gotten a single color correct?

[Anonymous No.2199438]

>>2199353
If you've got tritanopia, don't fret, you just have an Instagram filter over things 24/7.

If you've got either deutenopia or protanopia, that sucks, mate. But at least you have red-blue confusion, which are colors connected through pink/violet.
A friend of mine has green-red confusion and the connecting color is brown. Everything he sees is shit-colored!

Also your drawings aren't useful for showing any daltonism. It will only pop out enough when you start applying more "realism" and sober palettes into your stuff.
If you absolutely must, work with an eyedropper.

[Anonymous No.2199475]

>>2195275
Much of /ic/ uses and posts on tumblr regularly. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but there's just too much basic bitch shit. I like weird unique shit and generic concept art isn't it. There used to be a much more illustration focused crowd with more varied tastes and influences than all the wannabe animation directors and video game concept artists.

>>2198166
Do you know how much it costs now? You gotta rent the horse and put it on a horse treadmill and it might kick somebody and then unionized workers have to animate it because korea ain't good enough. I guess I'm saying blame the gooks.

[Anonymous No.2199514]

>>2181683
>I hate to break it to you, or maybe rain on your parade, but thank god you're anonymous, because you just made a huge fool of yourself. What you said was completely laughable. Please, go think about what you said.
>Because it's absolutely fucking retarded.
>sincerely... an art history/history/fine arts scholar.

The fool is you.
You don't get to appeal to authority while posting anonymously.

[Anonymous No.2199520]

>>2199431

Yep, all good.

[Anonymous No.2199538]

>>2199374
It's a scam, idiot. You're basically paying 400$ for glasses with a layer that darkens certain wavelengths of light, which allows peopletp distinguish two colors of the same value by which is darker. All this would do for colorblind artists is fuck up their values.