Beginner Thread - Snow Plow Edition

[Anonymous No.2170391]

Old thread: >>2165189

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

Do not forget to resize and crop your images before uploading them otherwise the autists will complain.


Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," consult the sticky: >>1579290

This thread's study theme is some snow plows. cos some anon said ''No animals please''
-The op image, don't worry about the small details, the running gear etc.
just show you cant draw the plow correctly, and draw the stripes on it.

-the second image, is a 2 point perspective exercise more than anything.

-third if I post it, just a reference for the shape of the plow, but feel free to draw it.


Threadly reminder to avoid carpal tunnel:
http://www.healthline.com/health/carpal-tunnel-wrist-exercises

[Anonymous No.2170392]

>>2170391
2 point perspective plow.

[Anonymous No.2170394]

>>2170392
and front reference plow.

[Anonymous No.2170418]

How do I regain my motivation? I used to be so motivated and wanting to draw every day. I still do, but I've lost my fire, feel hopeless and my art is shit. I don't really feel a sense of improvement anymore and don't know where the heck to go.

[Anonymous No.2170430]

Sometimes, I wonder if this even do anything but I have to do it still. It's certainly boring to do this kind of stuff for hours, especially when you can't judge yourself if you're getting better or not.

Am I doing okay?

[Anonymous No.2170435]

>>2170418

Find a new approach. Change things up for a while, find new exercises, try to have fun for a bit. Try to find ways to practice that make the experience more enjoyable, get creative. Experiment with different mediums. Maybe go back to basics and work on simple fundamental stuff for a bit.

A big problem when you start to get good at something is that you hit this grind of stuff that's difficult to do and doesn't give you much progress. You can't let drawing turn into a slog though, you have to change things up and experiment or you just get bored and plateau. Your brain turns off and you stop learning regardless of time put in.

Keep trying new things, find ways to make boring things interesting again.

Watch Rocky. Slam back some raw eggs, go for a run, and hype yourself up for some drawing. Never bring yourself down.

[Anonymous No.2170440]

>>2170418

[Anonymous No.2170447]

>>2170430
I think you're using a wrong type of pen. your lines don't look comfortable enough

[Anonymous No.2170455]

>>2170447
What should I use then? I'm currently using a mechanical pencil with 0.7mm HB leads.

I also lack workspace.

[Anonymous No.2170458]

>>2170455
pencils are not good for that type of exercises. fine tip pens are preferred. I think ballpoints may work, too. you can't go back pencils after you're used to these anyway.

find more workspace. this is important. if you continue it, you will use your wrist more, and that means earlier carpal tunnel

[Anonymous No.2170471]

>>2170458
I'm not too worried about carpal tunnel getting worse because it happened years ago already, the condition has gotten better so it doesn't hurt within 5 minutes of writing anymore, but I still randomly lose my temper and patience if the pain wake up.

I have a fine tip pen (0.4mm), I guess I'll use that instead for training. My mechanic pencil do follow me everywhere for everything, tho.

Not sure how to get more confident with my lines, thou.

[Anonymous No.2170477]

Did a doodle of r4's Lewd Knight charging into battle. The left leg came out a bit weird..

[Anonymous No.2170503]

i cant seem to get ahold of the staedtler pens that peter han uses for his course. are there any alternative pens that i could use?

[Anonymous No.2170528]

It's the retarded perspective dude from yesterday.

On this one the thing that troubles me is the spacing between the windows and their size. For example with the windows on the left their height can easily be drawn correctly because of the two lines going to vanishing point A. but as for their width and the horizontal space between them I don't know what to do. They have to get bigger surely? Any help? (I know some of the windows are a little off I rushed it somewhat.

[Anonymous No.2170532]

>>2170528
you can be sure about them width by using ellipses of the same degree. it's relatively advanced stuff tho

[Anonymous No.2170538]

>>2170528

[Anonymous No.2170548]

>>2170538
I didn't understand, how we can decide where RP2 is? also putting a line at the middle of empty space and mirroring the rectangle may work, too

[Anonymous No.2170549]

>>2170548
nvm got it.

[Anonymous No.2170563]

>>2170418
I know that feel. Getting jury duty really fucked me up.

[Anonymous No.2170779]

New to drawing. Want to do animu style. Used reference pic, first item when you search "azusa kon". What should I improve. Reading Keys and Loomis.

For beginner practice does this sound about right? Draw lines, circle, elipsis, shapes, 3d shapes, perspective shapes, draw from life, draw from reference, attempt to draw from imagination?

[Anonymous No.2170812]

>>2170779

ya but I would just focusing on drawing more itself.

Repetition and mileage is key.

[Anonymous No.2170916]

Values are hard.

[Anonymous No.2170920]

>>2170779
I know it's shit, but played around using mouse and bucket fill in Paint.NET (same person)

[Anonymous No.2170947]

>>2170779
Learn your fundies bro.

Stylization without the proper fundamentals will only lead to a torrent of shit flying out of your head and onto the paper. Read the sticky, it's there for a reason.

[Anonymous No.2170953]

i'm wondering how i can apply drawing poses from reference to drawing them from imagination

[Anonymous No.2170954]

>>2170392
Fucked up just about everywhere

[None !4X8vLLNDE2 No.2170956]

1 min, untimed, 10 second figures.
How is it?

[Anonymous No.2170958]

>>2170956
Can't see the lines, mate.

[Anonymous No.2170959]

1 min, untimed, 10 second figures.
How is it?

>>2170958
pardon

[Anonymous No.2170962]

>>2170947
That's why I'm starting with loomis and key to drawing. Was looking for any other suggestions such as practice drills and study progression which isn't necessarily covered by the sticky.

[Anonymous No.2170965]

>>2170779
No you don't want to draw "animu" just stop. Draw from life you fairy fuck.

[Anonymous No.2170974]

>>2170959
Alright nigga. You need to focus on that gesture before you even think of finalizing let alone adding shadows. Try to have a clear goal from line to line when doing a gesture. After that do that mannequin exercises because I see a lot of contour drawing going on.

>10 sec gestures
Stop. 30 should be the least.

Watch Proko and if you already have then rewatch again see what errors you have.

[Anonymous No.2170976]

>>2170974
To add a bit.

Your gesture doesn't capture the flow of the body. You're merely placing lines to indicate limbs which defeats the point. Squint your eyes see the outline/flow the body is creating.

[Anonymous No.2170981]

Didn't get critique on my dragon flies from last thread cause I posted too close to the end of the thread

[Anonymous No.2170983]

>>2170981
>>2170981

and another

[Anonymous No.2170990]

This was my day's effort, gave doing a portrait of a character from my imagination a go. I'm especially struggling with hair, so if anyone has any tips, it would be very appreciated.

Crit away please.

[Anonymous No.2170991]

This was my day's effort, gave doing a portrait of a character from my imagination a go. I'm especially struggling with hair, so if anyone has any tips, it would be very appreciated.

Crit away please.

(Resized it)

[Anonymous No.2171006]

Eh

[Anonymous No.2171009]

>>2171006
eh

[Anonymous No.2171015]

>>2171009

え?

[Anonymous No.2171034]

>>2170549
Help me understand? I can't read a lot of the writing.

[Anonymous No.2171036]

>>2170962
I'd be interested in this too. I can never find any kind of practice plan or study progression/drills that isn't super vague

[Anonymous No.2171052]

>>2170447
>>2170458
Did some more with a fine tip pen. Hopefully this is better.

[Anonymous No.2171066]

>>2171052
I would say it looks better, but I'm nobody to give a crit.

[Anonymous No.2171072]

So what are some exercises to improve your control over the pencil or whatever your use to draw.

[Anonymous No.2171075]

>>2171072
put random points, them connect them to make a curve. but try to imagine it before draw.

[Anonymous No.2171079]

>>2171006

[Anonymous No.2171081]

>>2171072
first put random points to the paper, then connect them to make a curve. but try to imagine the curve before drawing it.

[Anonymous No.2171082]

>>2171081
Oh....I've just been connecting the dots without thinking on the curve.

[Anonymous No.2171084]

>>2171052
can you draw more conic sections? i think those were the most messed up in your pencil drawings.
And are you following a specific exercise or something? What is your goal with these.
Lastly. Do you have more examples of your handwriting or calligraphy. It's fucking gorgeous goddamn.

[Anonymous No.2171087]

>>2171081
>>2171082

Ghost it.

[Anonymous No.2171116]

still trying to grind them fundies, copying from an anatomy book but trying to understand as i copy. still can't draw from imagination very well at all. gonna practice that a bit more tonight and will post the hilariously bad results.

[Anonymous No.2171125]

>>2170953
>how can i apply drawing poses from reference to drawing them from imagination

understand how to construct the pose from reference. basically understand how to draw those figures as a series of boxes. if you can do that, then it will be easier to visualize and then recreate a similar pose without looking at reference later. beginners (myself included) get caught up in the contours and bumps and everything that makes up the details of a human being and a pose. but to truly understand what's going on and to draw from imagination you have to understand how to construct. this means understanding how to simplify the pose and body into a simple series of forms and geometry which you can then later go over and add all those details of anatomy and shading.

also, once you get done drawing the image from reference, try to draw it again from imagination without looking at it. that's another way to practice it and strengthen your ability to remember. have a pic related of my beginning attempts at what i am talking about

[Anonymous No.2171160]

>>2171125
thanks! i'm going through that loomis book right now i think i'm beginning to understand

[Anonymous No.2171210]

spent the past hour sketching pic related from >http://i.4cdn.org/p/1438060585009.jpg

i realized i dont know how to sketch bushes or trees

how shit is it and what do i need to work on?

[Anonymous No.2171224]

>>2170503
You can buy them in packs from ebay.
Any felt tip high flow pen will work, I used uni pens.

>>2170471
Confidence is gained because you'll have to plan out every line before placing it, gradually it will happen automatically.

[Anonymous No.2171233]

>>2171210

The perspective looks a little off, especially if you look along the roof of the bridge.

[Anonymous No.2171236]

Are there any good video tutorials that go with Betty`s Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain? The sticky doesn't mention any videos for that.

[Anonymous No.2171294]

redirected twice

whats so wrong with it thats i cant see.

[Anonymous No.2171297]

>>2171294
Depends on what you are going for anon. At the moment it looks rather flat and doesn't seem to actually take up space. But if that's the look you are ok with then that's fine. There's nothing wrong exactly with them from a design aspect, you are inventing this so you can do what you want with it. You have a basic drawing there that is easy to understand. Someone/thing in a suit with a helmet. Though that one on the left might not be a helmet?

If people are talking shit on it and not giving you anything useful it's probably just because they don't like it.

For myself I'd suggest trying to do a bit more to make them take up actual 3d space instead of being so flat. You can do this by getting some cross contour lines in there or with shading. Also you should clean up your lines before going forward with this design. For a sketch it's fine, but it looks really rough with all the extra small hairy lines you have going on.

[Anonymous No.2171302]

how do i improve my line weight?

[Anonymous No.2171306]

>>2171297
how is it flat? heres other work i've posted, if it helps seeing what kind of problem i might have. im pretty proud of the jester, as tacky as it may be

[Anonymous No.2171317]

>>2171306
im sorry i meant *where does it look flat, and if you could see a reoccurring problem i have with depth.

[Anonymous No.2171319]

when learning to draw should i start off on pencil and paper or with a pen tablet? i'm not an absolute beginner and have a pen tablet but realize i've been going the wrong way about drawing for a while now. should i pack up my tablet or practice using both paper and pencil and tablet+digital program?

[Anonymous No.2171326]

>>2171306
Ok... let me try to explain this another way. In the works you just posted, that figure in the top center, the one with the head cut off. Just a torso and legs.

It doesn't feel flat.

This is because the way you have drawn it the viewer can easily see the way it is taking up space. It could still use a lot of improvement but it's the best example of what I'm talking about. See how the belt curves around? See how you have the side view of the torso combined with the front view that has the armor on it? These all give the viewer clues to that this is a 3d object. The overlapping lines on the pants assist a little as well. You are kind of getting a similar result with the helmet in the first drawing (with the nose) and with the tube in the second. But you could help it out more with shading or additional cross contour lines. Again this is only if you are trying to give a more realistic approach, if this is the type of style you want to use what you have is fine. Like I said it is readable and understandable, but if you want it to feel like it is a 3d object and not a representation of one you can push it further.

Overall seeing more of your work you definitely need to clean up your line work when you get done with the sketching stage. You have a lot of extra lines that are unnecessary to convey your message.

Check pic related for what I mean about how simple cross contour lines can help convey depth and 3d. The smaller figure on the left is a simplified version of the larger one. Do you see how the artist drew through the figure to help convey the 3d structure? You can practice things like that to help things feel more solid.

[Anonymous No.2171331]

>>2171319
the basic observation skills and hand eye co-ordination and muscle memory are going to transfer between the two mediums. there are arguments to be made for starting with one or the other, i say do both, traditional stuff lets you draw wherever you are and if you do so in pen makes you take your time and think because you can't ctrl z. i personally have found that very helpful in my own progression. digital is great because i don't have to waste materials and can just go wild without worrying about how something will turn out because i can't exactly erase a hole through my digital canvas or run out of paint/graphite etc.

[Anonymous No.2171333]

>>2171326
thank you so much. the picture in question is actually going to be a 3D model once i get done, so im not sure it it matters too much. its just that in the other thread a guy kept bugging me saying my "fundamentals were bad" and i had absolutely no idea what he was referring to.

i really appreciate the help on my other work too, sorry i didnt get it in your first post.

[Anonymous No.2171337]

I know everyone always says to start with Loomis, but what book do I start with? Right now I'm reading Successful Drawing, and I'm getting the first bits of the perspective section, but it feels like it gets really difficult really quickly. Am I starting with the wrong book, or do I just need to not be a loser and try harder?

[Anonymous No.2171338]

>>2171333
No need to apologize anon. /ic/ is an insane jungle filled with tons of useful and useless creatures. I can see why someone would tell you your fundamentals were bad based on that drawing, because of the things I suggested (which are fundamentals). You seem that you might be newish so here's standard advice for success on /ic/: Being able to filter bullshit and think for yourself is a valuable tool as an artist and it's good to have a thick skin.

All in all glad you found it helpful. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.2171341]

Attempting to draw boxes makes me want to die. Why is something so simple so difficult.

[Anonymous No.2171343]

>>2171341
because you are a beginner anon. do not despair, you are not on this journey alone.

take a break and draw something for fun, take time to enjoy and remember why you started drawing. if you didn't start drawing because you enjoy it you should go do something else, the studying is only going to get harder. so make it a point to take the time to do fun stuff also

[Anonymous No.2171345]

>>2171343
for drawing boxes do you just...draw boxes? how do you go about it? do you use references or imagine the boxes and then draw them? is there a particular book you're taking exercises from?

[Anonymous No.2171346]

>>2171338
this is the gosh darn THIRD thread i've posted this in now but i just want more opinions, does this one look better?

[Anonymous No.2171347]

>>2171294
>>2171346
It has the same issues as mentioned above. At this point "better" is going to be your personal preference anon. Pick one and go with it.

[Anonymous No.2171351]

>>2171345
i have a box that i look at and hold up and rotate and look at and try to understand.

i also study one and two point perspective and use the logic of that to help set up guidelines to draw my boxes (you can see those guidelines in the previous pic)

i also just draw boxes and when they turn out like crap (happens a lot) i grab my trusty box and try to figure out why.

i'm following a variety of stuff, but for boxes i'd suggest going to your local craft store and buying a wooden box or something and spray painting it a flat color.

also perspective made easy, or peter han's dynamic sketching course (check the archives or the book thread) would also help

[Anonymous No.2171409]

You know these beginner threads are pretty nice. Someone told me that these threads usually don't help and people just scream Loomis but from the past threads I've seen people helping each other out with their weaknesses and stuff.

[Anonymous No.2171428]

>>2171337

Try the first two lessons in Draw A Box or check out Peter Han.

[Anonymous No.2171479]

How soon is too soon to switch over to a drawing tablet ?

[Anonymous No.2171533]

>>2170392
this took way too long but it was fun

[Anonymous No.2171535]

>>2171533
holy shit nice

[Anonymous No.2171536]

>>2171535
T-thanks anon. I feel like I have a hard time wrapping my head around some aspects when it comes to painting, so it's nice getting something decent done without just quitting in frustration halfway through.

I should go get something to eat now, I spent all morning on that thing and now I'm starving kek.

[Anonymous No.2171550]

>>2171346
I think it would help if you could describe what your goal is with this. If it's going to be used somewhere as part of a particular project or just as part of an illustration etc. What do you want the character to convey?

[Anonymous No.2171553]

>>2170440
Brutal. But ironically motivating.

[Anonymous No.2171621]

my 3rd study i did some time ago.
i feel like i learned a lot about how to mix values.

[Anonymous No.2171709]

Am I good at all?

[Anonymous No.2171738]

>>2171709
Hard to tell from that one drawing.

At first glance intuition says "maybe" or even "yes". I can see sketch lines that aren't super small or chickenscratch underneath your main lines. I can also see construction lines.

But cynicism says "show us more" because we have trust issues.

[Anonymous No.2171740]

>>2171738
here's a dog I drew

[Anonymous No.2171742]

I'm not good at all ; but I need pointers wat do?

[Anonymous No.2171743]

>>2171709
It depends. Are you latino, black, or asian?

[Anonymous No.2171748]

>>2171709
You show potential like any artist, keep drawing
>>2171743
None of this matters

[Anonymous No.2171750]

>>2171748
I want to keep drawing but I have no idea about how to draw digitally

[Anonymous No.2171753]

>>2171742
Oh hi, you're back. Did you think we forgot about you? Post something new and show us you followed our advice from last time. Otherwise
>i need pointers wat do
Do what we suggested last time. If you want I can repost the entire thing from the archives.

[Anonymous No.2171755]

>>2171753
I'll scan something right now; just stay here It will be a while

[Anonymous No.2171757]

>>2171755
Ok... last time you said you'd be back with more drawings of basic shapes and we never heard from you again until now, looking forward to your scans. We'll be here for you anon, we never leave.

[Anonymous No.2171765]

>>2171757

He's either pulling your leg or severely autistic. I would just ignore him.

[Anonymous No.2171766]

>>2171757
this one is from imagination learning the basics

[Anonymous No.2171769]

>>2171765
scanner wasn't working sorry If I was being dishonest

[Anonymous No.2171770]

been practicing drawing faces

[Anonymous No.2171771]

last one any thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2171777]

>>2171550
>>2171338
Here's an entire thread filled with critique on this design. Along with the Hazmat guy/girl's vision

>>2151128

On the character
>hes going to be static and deadpan, dry humor. i keep thinking of moltar and tanzit from space ghost, but thats not exactly what im going for.
>im making a game, and i kinda want the hazmat suit to look like an astronaut suit and a diving suit aswell. also i want the tube to kinda look like an elephant.
>i want the character to look cool, and the world a little trippy and uncanny. im going for lisa frank colors on the hazmat man

[Anonymous No.2171784]

>>2171757
I'm waiting for that critique artbro

[Anonymous No.2171794]

>>2171750
You're jumping the gun, stick to pad and pencil. Get a feel for it, try and master it,get comfortable with it. If you already own a tablet just leave it alone for now. If you don't own one don't go buying one just yet

[Anonymous No.2171797]

>>2171794
what do you suggest I try to improve

[Anonymous No.2171808]

>>2171766
Get an anatomy book, study it. Seriously, you might find it boring but go through it. One page at a time. Draw everything in the book. EVERYTHING. Continue to study it as you draw other things. When something looks wrong refer back to it or some reference and try to fix it. Attempting to draw from imagination is important, but take the time to review what you did when you are done and also attempt to fix it with the help of reference.

>>2171770
>>2171771
>>2171784
That building is probably your strongest piece of what you posted so far. You seem to be ok at mechanical / man made stuff. The gun looks decent as well.

You really really really need to work on your lines. The darkness and thickness of them is rather jarring. Are you using a super soft pencil for your final lines? Stop doing that, it's giving everything an outlined look. For the buildings that's ok, for people it really flattens everything out. Sketch lightly, I can see hints of lighter sketches underneath these drawings. Are they actual sketches or are they lines you erased? Either way your lines should be light and sketched out until you are sure they are correct. Even at that point you shouldn't be going as dark and thick as you are for your final lines. Go look at some figure drawings to see what I mean. The line weight in most good figure drawing varies and isn't surrounded by thick heavy lines.

Also how big are you drawing? Perhaps some of these issues are simply related to you drawing small hard to tell from the pic. Working big is a good way to practice, you get more room to fix mistakes and you avoid potential issues of carpal tunnel because you have to use your arm instead of just your wrist.

Mostly though- get an anatomy book, study it, copy it, study it more. keep drawing with simple forms, I think I see some in there, keep it up.

All in all
You are actually showing some improvement from what you posted before. So good job on that.

[Anonymous No.2171810]

>>2171709
I personally think you've got something great going on here. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.2171823]

>>2171808
thanks; I been reading anatomy books. Should I change my medium to pen because my charcoal pencils are shit

[Anonymous No.2171830]

>>2171823
What kind of charcoal pencils are you using? They should be fine no matter what they are, I think you are just pressing too hard when you draw. Another thing to try might be to just fill a page with lines and see how many different line weights you can get with just those charcoal pencils. You can use pen if you think it will turn out better, but again you will need to practice getting various types of lines out of it, being able to draw lightly and darkly with a pen (yes it is possible).

[Anonymous No.2171841]

>>2171794
I already have a tablet, I did this last night but I think it looks terrible

[Anonymous No.2171854]

Does anyone have some recommendations for tutorials on construction?
I'm aware of Loomis, some of Proko's tutorials, and I've been going through some Hampton lectures I downloaded, but I wouldn't mind something else. Preferably concise and digestible, but anything's good.

[Anonymous No.2171864]

>>2171830
>too hard when you draw.
damn your right; I do need to draw bigger ; You said I'm good with man made objects can I draw Hussar type clothes? Another question how long before I draw something like the picture I have of a Dragoon cleaning his boot?

[Anonymous No.2171873]

>>2171864
Anon, you can draw whatever you want. We are not here to tell you what you can and can not draw. You asked for advice on getting better that is what we are attempting to provide. You can and should continue to draw what you want in addition to your own studies, it is important to take breaks from grinding on studying and draw things you find fun and interesting as well.

So, you can draw Hussar type clothes of course, go for it. As for how long before you can draw that picture? No one knows, it will vary from person to person. There is no formula to gaining skill that will gives us any estimation on how long it will take for a certain person to git gud. But if you keep drawing and practicing and someday we will get to find out how long it took you to get there.

[Anonymous No.2171876]

>>2170440
Woah, loved this

[Anonymous No.2171893]

>>2171873
>git gud
thanks for the laugh; anyways thanks for the review I'll be back with new stuff for right now I'll draw some ; cheers

[Anonymous No.2171899]

>>2171766
>>2171769
>>2171770
>>2171771
You don't need anatomy now. What you desperately need is perspective. All your drawings show a complete lack of understanding of volume. Look at the building. The windows and door portal are flat images printed onto the wall instead of proper 3D elements.

Start doing perspective exercises with simple volumes: cubes, cylinders, pyramids, etc. Look up the basic exercises on drawabox and fill up some pages with that stuff. Anatomy is good, yes, but as long as you remain unable to properly represent volume, it won't do you much good. Just take a look at pic related. Do you honestly think you will be able to draw all those interlocking volumes correctly if you can't even do something as simple as a window opening inside a wall?

[Anonymous No.2171918]

Hi /ic/.
Absolute beginner here. I've done a few of the exercises in one of the books recommended in the sticky (drawing on the right side of the brain) but I don't want to do all this crazy charcoal shit yet.
Should I check out "keys to drawing" (also recommended in the sticky).
Also anyone used drawabox? I did a few of the exercises but they seemed pointless and stupid and the guy running the site seemed like kind of a retarded cunt. Makes you do all the shit in marker for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.2171922]

>>2171899
>drawabox
okay will do; I read a book perspective book about vanishing points and stuff guess it didn't stick

[Anonymous No.2171935]

I aiming to make my drawings more pretty and more polished because it looks sloppy. How do I practice doing that?
I was guessing to just do linework exercises and keep drawing but it hasn't helped so far.

[Anonymous No.2171937]

>>2171935
also to note that if it's possible to practice this along with fundamentals

also realized the head on 1 was slanted

[Anonymous No.2171941]

Having some basic problems with the shoulders. They look really off and I cant seem to fix them.

[Anonymous No.2171949]

>>2171210
Stop, you're wasting time working on this. Do excersises on perspective.

[Anonymous No.2171952]

I need to tell /ic/ and I didn't know which thread to do this:

So I call Watts Academy, to ask about the feedback system, and who picks up the goddamned phone? Fucking Jeff Watts himself.

So we chat for 10 minutes, turns out the man picks up the phone himself like 80% of the time, to keep things personal.
I fucking joined, the man's based as hell.

[Anonymous No.2171963]

>>2171841
I wouldn't blame the tablet. You're doing weird things the a lot of thinks would off, that's the best way I can put it. If you draw a lot but haven't studied anything just accept that you're essentially a complete beginner and go study fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.2171969]

>>2171918
>exercises seem pointless and stupid
Show me your straight freehand lines anon, also show me a box you drew in perspective, a pyramid you drew in perspective, a cylinder you drew in perspective. Show me all of those drawn free hand without a ruler. If you can pull them all off easily then you are right they are pointless and stupid. If you can't... you should do them.

Also if you don't like drawabox check out Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching. It's what Draw a box is copying and it's basically the same things with a different / better teacher.

[Anonymous No.2171970]

>>2171748
It certainly does matter what race you are. That is if you want to have a career in art.

Minorities prefer thier own and they go for the same demographic with thier aesthetics. It obvious if you look around. It's like prison gangs really. Sometimes someone will cross the race line but it's just for business. Behind close doors they maintain thier loyalty.

It's all about hedging your bets. Playing the race card is just one way of doing that.

[Anonymous No.2171973]

>>2171941
when you raise your arms like that the shoulders move up accordingly. on your pic it looks like the shoulders are just relaxed as if the arms were hanging down. also the arms are a bit to short imo

[Anonymous No.2171977]

how come i can copy photographs or references extremely well and accurately, but when it comes to drawing from imagination, my art looks like absolute shit? how do i improve on this? figure drawing?

[Anonymous No.2171979]

>>2171969
I'm not saying what he's trying to teach isn't useful. I'm saying his exercises are ass. Why not let me use a fucking pencil? Seriously reading his fucking autismal explaination for why I should just suck it up and use a shitty marker like he says drives me up the fucking wall. It seriously makes me so mad that everytime I open the fucking page I get so mad that I just close it and don't draw anything at all that day. Fuck him, I'm mad now just thinking about it.

[Anonymous No.2171995]

>>2171979
Using a pen makes you conscious of the decisions you are making. It makes you take your time because there is no erasing, ever line you put down is a line you are forced to accept and make use of. You can't hide your mistakes with a pen (at least not until you get better). It forces you to practice thinking and being careful, taking your time to observe. These are all things that a beginner needs to master.

If you think these concepts are dumb and it gets you that angry perhaps you should try something else anon, seems rough.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

[Anonymous No.2172002]

>>2171995
That's a load of horse shit. It even says so in "drawing on the right side of the brain".

[Anonymous No.2172007]

>>2171977
to draw something from your imagination you have to understand how that thing works.
Lets say you try to draw a human, if you copy a photograph you focus mostly on the details and the things that you can see on the surface. If you want to draw without any reference however, you have to 'construct' the body from the inside out, so you have to understand how the bones and muscles work, how they move when the body takes different poses etc.

Basically you have to understand anatomy

[Anonymous No.2172008]

>>2172002
Then I wish you success on your journey. Good luck to you.

[Anonymous No.2172009]

>>2171995
The medium doesn't change you. Being more aware of what you're doing does. Different mediums have different expressive qualities, but it doesn't change your perception. You're just going off the popular belief of ink being permanent. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.2172033]

>>2172002
>>2172009
Please show me the way anons, I believe in your words. Show me some of your work so I may properly worship you. Also tell me what to study.

[Anonymous No.2172045]

>>2172033
Get over yourself. I never said I was hot shit. I'm working through the books for absolute beginners recommended in the sticky, both of which recommend using pencil.

[Anonymous No.2172046]

>>2171963
what

[Anonymous No.2172063]

>>2172045
and yet there are plenty of other sources that recommend pen. so i guess there are different opinions and maybe there is no true correct answer? or is the sticky your god that you believe is the one true god and all others are blashpemers in the eyes of our lord loomis?

both of you (or perhaps, all three of you?) need to pull your heads out of your asses. believe it or not you all make valid and reasonable points. pick what works for you. but stop claiming it's the only way.

[Anonymous No.2172065]

>>2172063
forgot to tag these other asshats
>>2172009
>>2172002
>>2171995

[Anonymous No.2172067]

>>2172063
>and yet there are plenty of other sources that recommend pen. so i guess there are different opinions and maybe there is no true correct answer?
I never said it was the correct answer. I said pencil worked better for me and he starts getting all high and mighty.

[Anonymous No.2172069]

right side of brain is not what I wanted to see as absolute beginner stuff. I mean, it's certainly has it's uses. But teaches less useful skill than any book on formal and free perspective which I believe is one true holy basic fundamental anyone must learn.

[Anonymous No.2172077]

>>2171977
You're not picturing a 3d image in your head them drawing what you can see from your perspective by breaking it up into simple shapes.

Essentially you're a portrait painter rather than a concept artist.

>>2171918
>marker

Felt tip liner, my advice is to buy the .3 instead of the .5 he recomends.

[Anonymous No.2172089]

>>2172063
Show me a source that recommends pen and I'll show you how you misunderstood what was being taught--unless of course the source is stupid then I'll continue to laugh at you.

[Anonymous No.2172097]

>>2172089
drawabox

[Anonymous No.2172098]

>>2172089
Did you even read the previous posts? Anon linked Peter Han earlier. Start with disproving that.

[Anonymous No.2172100]

>>2171777
it would be great if you could critique my other drawings, too. >>2171306 maybe theres something im consistently bad at.

[Anonymous No.2172113]

>>2172089
I think there's a misunderstanding in regards to the word "pen".

They mean pen as in liner, not ball point pen. Keys to drawing makes note of using a ball point pen though.
The reason keys and right side of the brain suggest pencils is because they were written in a time when people didn't understand building line confidence and arm strength.

[Anonymous No.2172133]

The right side of the brain book seems to tell you to draw what you see by copying lines, and doesn't emphasize much on construction. How do you more advanced people draw what you see? Do you draw basic layouts and outlines to help things stay in proportion, or do you just pick a line and start drawing it?

[Anonymous No.2172134]

hey don't mix they way of art student(taught in Keys to Drawing, Right Side etc) with way of sketching(taught in drawabox, Peter Han etc). Purpose of sketching is visualize thoughts, purpose of art is... well, art.

[Anonymous No.2172146]

>>2172133
draw construction then draw what you see over that construction. see the following
>>2171326
>>2171116
>>2171125
All are attempts at using construction first followed by detail work of what you see. Only one of them is by a pro. Other two are obviously still figuring it out.

[Anonymous No.2172151]

>grab fine tip pen
>get stressed to the point that my straight lines and circles are completely fucked up
Anybody else has this problem?

[Anonymous No.2172152]

>>2172151
No, define it though.

You might be drawing too slowly and letting your hands fuck up the lines while trying to stabilize.
It takes years or good genetics to develop surgeons hands.

[Anonymous No.2172153]

>>2172151
I get stressed out whenever I do something new anon. So yeah I feel you. Trying every new exercise or new technique is stressful. But I don't let it stop me. Keep doing it an you'll gain more confidence and slowly become less and less stressed.

also see
>>2172088

[Anonymous No.2172209]

>>2171935
お願い、返事ください

[Anonymous No.2172236]

>>2172097
Are you telling me to draw a box or is that the internet handle of the person that told you to use a pen?

[Anonymous No.2172238]

>>2172098
What post?

[Anonymous No.2172261]

>>2172236
http://drawabox.com/

[Anonymous No.2172265]

>>2172238
See
>>2171995

[Anonymous No.2172324]

>>2172261
That's nothing but a regurgitation of all the crab found on the internet. It's some guy begging for money using cliche stuff that art kiddies already know. And where exactly does he say to only use a pen? It's all digital pretty much not the same thing you're implying.

[Anonymous No.2172329]

>>2172209
はい、どうぞ。返事です

[Anonymous No.2172337]

>>2172265
Where in the video does the man using chalk say to use only a pen. And this is peter han we're talking about. He's not exactly an art teacher as much has he is a hustler doing art instruction. Personally I don't think he is all that insightful about understanding how art works. He only knows this narrow definition of art that is more rote than anything else. He's like those grad students who studied mainly with flashcards and prewritten notes, never actual experienced real learning of the subject.

[Anonymous No.2172355]

Here's a trick question :

what should be the drawing process for someone who has a shitty imagination and most of his life he's been doing stuff by following exact examples

[Anonymous No.2172370]

>>2172337
>didn't watch the whole video before deciding to make their impressive argument
>obviously shit talking from a place of 0 knowledge
>classic /ic/ troll
Nice job anon. Now show us your merc to prove that you are actually good and not talking out your ass. So we can see that you know what the fuck you are talking about.

Wait don't actually, because we all know you're just a shithead talking shit. Keep on it, we can't have 4chan without people like you!

[Anonymous No.2172379]

>>2172355
Not too sure if you had the same problems I had. Basically couldn't draw from imagination.

Draw five poses, after the fifth one try to redraw the first pose from imagination and continue until you do the fifth one from imagination. Gradually increase that daily or weekly up to 15 or more.
Reading fiction books also helped me greatly with all the great worlds being written and all the journeys.
Look at people you would like to emulate and check if they have art books. Study those and draw it. My personal favorites are Soejima and Frazetta.
Last is only if you like vidya, play games that allow you to make up a story like Civ5.
>causing three World Wars as Japan

Other than those, I watched a lot of movies for inspiration. So basically build up that visual library if you have the problem I had.

[Anonymous No.2172383]

>>2172379
I think he was saying he isn't, for lack of a better word, original, so he doesn't really have anything to draw from imagination.

[Anonymous No.2172421]

>>2172370
So you can't really back up your claim and you thought that posting a website or video I would give up because it would be too much work to shift through everything. Why can't you cite exactly where they say, "only use a pen"? Normal people show exactly where they got their quote from, shitposters try to hide behind vague references and empty rhetoric. Prove you're not a shitposter and point out exactly where they say, "use only a pen"

[Anonymous No.2172433]

Should i even bother trying to draw on PC without a tablet, and if yes, what program should i use for it?

[Anonymous No.2172499]

>>2172421
Both website and video say to only use a high flow felt tip pen.
If you had watched them you would know this, anons calling you out on not bothering to check the site or watch the video.

Drawing with a liner to start with should be added to the sticky, it fast tracks line confidence to such a rediculous degree.

>>2172433
No, unless you're into shitty ms work or pixel art.

[Anonymous No.2172507]

>>2172324
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/2mi0kz/why_do_i_recommend_doing_the_exercises_in_ink_vs/

[Anonymous No.2172510]

>>2172433

it's possible, try Lazy Nezumi with any drawing program

there has been a drawthread on other boards, and someone makes really impressive work with just their mouse

[Anonymous No.2172513]

>>2171918
>used drawabox?...Makes you do all the shit in marker for whatever reason.

>>2171969
>if you don't like drawabox check out Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching. It's what Draw a box is copying and it's basically the same things with a different / better teacher.

>>2171979
>Autismal explanation for why I should use a why I should just suck it up and use a shitty marker.

>>2171995
>Using a pen makes you conscious of the decisions you are making. It makes you take your time because there is no erasing, ever line you put down is a line you are forced to accept and make use of. You can't hide your mistakes with a pen (at least not until you get better). It forces you to practice thinking and being careful, taking your time to observe. These are all things that a beginner needs to master.

>>2172002
horse shit. It even says so in dotrsot

a new challenger appears (me)
>>2172063
>and yet there are plenty of other sources that recommend pen
>pick what works for you. but stop claiming it's the only way.

>>2172089
>show me a source that recommends pen

>>2172097
>drawabox

>>2171995
>youtube link

Now things start to get warped by a certain anon, also dat ad hominem
>>2172324
>where exactly does he say to only use pen?
No where. No one said that he said that. See above.

>>2172337
>Where in the video does the man using chalk say to use only a pen.
Again, he doesn't say it anywhere. No one said they were gonna say that. Anons were posting videos that show people recommending pen. Both of these sources do recommend using a pen.

>>2172370
>troll post ironically about trolls

>>2172421
>can't back up your claim
>why can't you cite exactly where they say "only use a pen"?
>Prove you're not a shitposter and point out exactly where they say, "use only a pen"
Again anon, this is getting old. See above.

That should do it. Hope you enjoyed this edition of Anon Performance Art MasterPiece Theatre! Tune next time!

[Anonymous No.2172515]

>>2172499
>Both website and video say to only use a high flow felt tip pen.
And some how you're too inept to point exactly where.

[Anonymous No.2172519]

>>2172515
>inept

This is 4chan not a hugbox, if you want to be spoonfed you're more than welcome load one into a blunderbuss and paste a wall with the inside of your skull.

[Anonymous No.2172521]

>>2172513

[Anonymous No.2172522]

I've learned many things since I started, and hitting save regularly is not among them. My power just cut out and all my work today is gone. Grieve with me, brothers.

[Anonymous No.2172526]

>>2172522
It's ok anon, you will draw and make much better things than what you lost. We grieve with you.

[Anonymous No.2172528]

>>2172433

It's possible but seriously, anon, it takes so much additional effort to get good at mousedrawing and the skill doesn't transfer very well to other mediums, so why not just invest in a low end tablet instead?

It'd probably be less unpleasant to suck a hundred and twenty dicks for a dollar each to save up for a tablet than to spend years getting good at drawing with a mouse.

[Anonymous No.2172534]

>>2172519

There's always an abundance of retards like you who seem to think "validate the shit that spews from your mouth" is spoonfeeding and that "not shitflinging constantly" is a hugbox.

[Anonymous No.2172537]

>>2172507
That's some of the dumnest shit I read about learning art. He's basiclly saying that because of his stereotypical beliefs about learning art he improved inspite of them. He's saying because he believed that ink is so unforgiving that that highlighted his mistakes and he was able to learn from it.

That's stupid for two reasons:

The "unforgiveness" is in the artist, not the medium. You choose whether or not to go back and edit something, not the ink. Erasing, using white out, or starting over is a much a conscious effort as the initial drawing itself. In others words you can get the same learning effect with say charcoal, just don't erase. That's it!

2. He doesn't understand that ink isn't the best medium to review your process. It dries flat. Graphite or charcoal can change value and can distinguish parts of the process. You can separate the underlying sketch from the final drawing. You can see where trouble started and how it evolved in the process. With ink if you have a lot of sketch lines it's going to be difficult to track back where exactly you went wrong.

This guy draws very generic. He has nothing to say with his art and has a cliche education about it. He's pretty much another concept art monkey teaching kiddies for the upvotes or likes or whatever. (Probably looking to score a rep for his next job hunt.) These kind of art instructors are good for wannabe internet artists too stupid or scared to think on thier own. It's extremely formuliac. It's pretty much boilerplate after boilerplate after boilerplate. The only thing this type of learning teaches you is how to teach it to others. It's very hollow.

Enjoy learning your "fundamentals".

[Anonymous No.2172541]

>>2172519
If this ain't a hugbox then why are you so scared of divergent ideas?

[Anonymous No.2172562]

Stupid question.
Trying to combine these two shapes together (a square and cylinder), but I can't seem to wrap my ahead why the contour makes this form in the middle of the cylinder.

Sure I can copy this ref and go about it from there, but I won't be learning anything if I'm trying to draw this from imagination. If possible, could someone explain how the contour is formed in the middle of the cylinder?

[Anonymous No.2172563]

>>2172537
>think for yourself here's an example
>my way is best

Enlightened opinion there anon. I guess one size fits all eh?

[Anonymous No.2172565]

>>2172562
Draw two ellipses that go across the cylinder where the box appears to cut through it. Where they intersect is the edge of the box. It makes this contour because it is the combination of two halves of two different ellipses that are being cut out from the cylinder.

[Anonymous No.2172568]

>>2172562

that form is two ovals going up against the sides and meeting at the intersection of the planes

[Anonymous No.2172569]

>>2172565
Holy fuck I feel like a complete idiot. Thanks for that answer, I can finally sleep now.

[Anonymous No.2172599]

>drawabox
guy just parrots his own flawed understanding of peter han and scott robertson courses to get kudos
also just look at this that x of plane and that ellipse, man that ellipse

[Anonymous No.2172602]

Is it bad that I usually have to give any image I'm trying to create two tries before I get anything half decent? The first one often being so bad I have to give up in the middle, whereas the second one I usually complete in one try. I like that I can learn from my mistakes but I wish I could get things right on the first try more often. Anyone else have / had this problem?

[Anonymous No.2172605]

>>2172534
m8, the shit was sourced for you, how much more do you need?

>>2172541
There are no divergent ideas, just one sperg shitting up a beginner thread with his terrible opinion.

[Anonymous No.2172663]

Trying to draw without reference using the construction things that I've learned.
Can anyone help with the basic structure? Is it ok? Are there glaring anatomical issues I've missed?

I already know it is generic and I'm aware that I need to study and learn how to shade. But can I get some help on structure and the construction I have here? Thank you

[Anonymous No.2172667]

>>2172602
A lot of artists do studies and sketches before the settle down to do a final piece. Doing something multiple times isn't bad while you are learning, it helps and you get more practice. If you go pro, depending on what you end up doing, you will have more pressure to get something right quickly and may not have the luxury of doing something over. So live it up while you can.

[Anonymous No.2172741]

This thread has been an absolute failure of shitposting. Well done.

[Anonymous No.2172760]

>>2172663
Focus on the size and shape of each facial feature in relation to the rest.
The asymmetry is a bit too noticeable so I'd recommend horizontally flipping the picture a few times while drawing.
If it gets you a bit too frustrated, instead of keeping like a side comparison of a reference you're using,
try just looking a pictures of faces (not while you're drawing) and studying every detail
and eventually you'll have it memorized and be able to apply it to anything you want to draw.

Personally, I've hardly ever used references. Any time I see a picture of a person I try and study and memorize their facial features as much as I can,
sometimes I even imagine that I'm painting their face and I've noticed that it helps me to memorize the way the light hits their face too.

And one more thing, I'd recommend using colours, I know a lot of people prefer painting in grey then adding colour after
but, I've noticed that it never comes out exactly perfect and you're always able to tell that that's the technique they used.
Once you're comfortable with colours and they were they interact with eachother, painting in grey will be much easier.

[Anonymous No.2172769]

So I got to the lesson in figure drawing for all it's worth when Loomis starts teaching about values, but I'm having a hard time understanding his method, is there any other good alternative in your opinion /ic/? something to get a better understanding about values, and then come back to Loomis once i understand it better. pic related some of what I practiced today.

[Anonymous No.2172792]

>>2170991

Careful with those hard edges between plane changes, especially in the nuzzle area. In general you'll want all nice and soft transitions in female faces. You especially went too harsh on the philtrum. Work more on the ear, right now it looks like an afterthought and is too small. Her neck is misshapen. Keep at it, I'd recommend you draw a bunch of more faces and not worry about rendering for a while, just focus on proportions and perspective.

[Anonymous No.2172820]

if you draw shaded areas, you use pencil because colors values etc
if you draw lines and curves, you use pen, because discipline, muscle memory etc

why this is so hard goddamnit

[Anonymous No.2172821]

So, is Drawabox just a bad thing to use?

[Anonymous No.2172825]

>>2172821
I think Drawabox and How to Draw makes a perfect couple. Drawabox lacks a good author and lots of technical details, and How to Draw doesn't have enough exercises.

[Anonymous No.2172828]

>>2172821
It's fine. If anyone tells you it isn't they just want to argue about retarded semantics.

[Anonymous No.2172832]

>>2172821
It's ok thing to use if you use only exercises from it. Do not read his explanations though, he is faggot beginner just like us and probably never even touched formal perspective at all

[Anonymous No.2172846]

I tried.....

[Anonymous No.2172850]

>>2172821
Since we are on /ic/, yes because you can download Peter Han's workshop and Lectures, and you can obtain more knowledge that way since his lesson are literally Peter Han's work but watered down heavily.

[Anonymous No.2172894]

I'm having a hard time getting things lined up properly with the snow plows, >>2170394
in particular. Will learning forms help me construct it better before making lines? Should I do perspective made easy? I'm in the middle of bettys brain book right now.

[Anonymous No.2172895]

>>2172894
Drop betty explanations, do exercises from it only and learn perspective
perspective is staple of everything

[Anonymous No.2172898]

>>2172895
What do you mean by drop betty explanations? Just disregard here general theory parts? When you say learn perspective, do you mean learn it from betty or somewhere else? Thanks for your advice by the way.

[Anonymous No.2172905]

>>2172898
Betty has good exercises but "theory" is just a bunch of pseudo science shit you should ignore. Left, right brain. Blah, bunch of technobabble and nonsense. Just do exercises, they are only that matter. Just draw.
Learn strict and formal perspective from Norling, or Meyer or Olson first and then follow it with Scott Robertson's sculpting course. They know how shit's working. Formal perspective is necessary to understand how wheels are turning.

[Anonymous No.2172910]

I've posted in other beginner threads but have never gotten a response. I'm having a really hard time beginning to paint any details and mostly being able to paint transitions between values smoothly. I'm feeling a complete block and have no clue where to go, but know it looks awful. Please forgive me if I misuse the term, but I think it's rendering? Going beyond the point where the basic colors, shadows, and forms are already. Is there anywhere I can learn how to do this? I do not want things to look cel-shaded, but I absolutely cannot figure out how to flesh out anything beyond that.

Picture shown is pretty much an example of what feels like a failure. I tried to add some transition between some of the areas of different values and it really just looks awful and messy. I'm sorry you had to see this

[Anonymous No.2172913]

>>2172905
Alright, I'll study perspective made easy. Is it viable to do that book and bettys at the same time? Or should it be sequential.

[Anonymous No.2172914]

>>2172913
Yeah you can absolutely do it both at the same time

[Anonymous No.2172957]

I find it hard to keep still and have the same viewing angle of things in real life, which always throws me off. Is drawing from a photograph not as good as real life? On that note, do photos of real things count as "Drawing from life"?

[Anonymous No.2173022]

>>2172846
Nice symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.2173038]

How do I deal with drawing details?

I'm so afraid of screwing stuff up that I just draw everything so "safe" and in a general way. Better safe than sorry but then again, it's the definition of form that makes stuff look good. But how exactly is one to know where and how everything looks from all angles?

[Anonymous No.2173040]

>>2173038

You draw the details and if you fuck it up, you think about what you fucked up and then do it all again.
Nothing wrong with finding a reference so you can do it with a bit more confidence.

[Anonymous No.2173056]

>>2172910

I will say that you're doing pretty decent at avoiding making everything muddy with overly soft edges, which is a problem lots of people have when they start painting. I'm not clever enough to give any good advice for improvement, though. Have you tried just painting in greyscale to get a good feel for value? I find trying to draw in color can amplify the difficulties.

[Anonymous No.2173059]

>>2172910
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/dp101-3/

[Anonymous No.2173064]

>>2173056
I've done that, yeah, but I always ran into the same difficulties with each area of its own value looking blotchy, hard, and uncomfortable with the areas around it

>>2173059
I've actually already seen this but ended up not understanding how to actually use it when painting. Do I create a huge palette with every in-between value and then try to paint each area individually, or do I turn the brush flow (or somthing similar) down and paint those transitions in softer like that?

[Anonymous No.2173090]

>>2172957
No, drawing from photos can be useful practise though.

>>2172821
No, if you do the excersises properly will get good.
You will need to combine it with other sources though.

>>2172820
That doesn't seem to contradict or finalize anything posted so far in this thread.

[Anonymous No.2173102]

>>2172537
I'm... not sure why you're being so hostile to me? I'm the one saying that drawabox is shit. I posted the link to show the other anon where drawabox says to only use pen. I was posting in this thread to ask if I was out of line calling it shit or not. So again I'm not sure why you're attacking me personally when I was against what he's saying to begin with, and the fact that I found it to be so wrong is what kicked off this whole shitstorm.

[Anonymous No.2173113]

>>2172850
Where can I get that shit?

[Anonymous No.2173126]

>>2173113
Archives, or the book thread

[Anonymous No.2173136]

>>2173113
There's a mega in the artbook thread, I'll track it down for you when I'm home if you still need it in 9 hours.

>tfw working instead of drawing

[Anonymous No.2173179]

Can't color, and the horizontal vrs. doesn't look right. It looks like some weird ship instead.

[Anonymous No.2173187]

Critique pls?

[Anonymous No.2173188]

>>2173187
Reference.

[Anonymous No.2173200]

>>2172792
Thank you very much, all taken on board and it's nice to have a lot of your own critiques echoed by someone else.

[Anonymous No.2173201]

>>2173022
Fuck, did I really mess up that much.

[Anonymous No.2173209]

>>2170779
Draw realistically first, practice proportions, and faces and heads from a bunch of different angles. Don't start at animu. Work to animu. Trust us

[Anonymous No.2173219]

>>2171084
Today's stuff, because every day a post has to happen.

Is this okay?

[Anonymous No.2173220]

>>2171084
Today's stuff, because every day is a new post.

Is this okay?

[Anonymous No.2173232]

What are some good head structure and facial expressions/features exercises?

[Anonymous No.2173241]

>>2173220
hi again. first, I hope my previous comment didn't misguide you because I read it again, and realized that I was looking at the lampshade-like thing in your center top pic in the pencil drawing. I went wtf when I saw it and then I said that your conic sections looked messed up. I don't think you drew any other conic sections there. Sorry, I gotta think before I type.

I can't crit your new drawing because I think you are following a specific exercise but I don't know what it is. for what it's worth I tried imagining all of them as sculptures/physical forms in space and seeing if they are believable. For the most part they passed the test. Some of your cylinders look squished but then again I don't know if it's intended.

[Anonymous No.2173247]

>>2173241
The exercises I do are basically from Peter Han and Drawabox. I only post the perspective part for now because I want the perspective to be acceptable/good before I move on somewhere else.

If you could point at anything that look wrong, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for the feedback!

[Anonymous No.2173353]

How do I fix this problem on the bottom right corner. I can never get those kinda angles right no matter how much I think about it.

[Anonymous No.2173360]

when starting my training with gestures, do I have to analyze pictures and make 30s drawings from them, or do I just come up with random stuff and try to do that on my own?

posted in the wrong thread

[Anonymous No.2173379]

>>2173353
you need a central plane.

[Anonymous No.2173385]

>>2173379
Ok, thanks.

[Anonymous No.2173455]

drawing has never been my forte but i've always wanted to be good at drawing cartoon-like characters and landscapes

would it be better for me to work on becoming better at shapes first?

[Anonymous No.2173461]

>>2173360
Analyze pictures, idealy you should get someone to pose for you in real life.

There's an assload of sites on the internet that have naked models posing if you're too autistic to leave your house and find group sessions irl.

[Anonymous No.2173511]

I dove in without studying. Can someone help?

[Anonymous No.2173520]

>>2173455
Despite what a lot of people here will tell you, you don't need to be a god at anatomy to draw cartoony stuff. Do a lot of gesture drawings and really focus on shapes and you'll be able to create some decent toons.

[Anonymous No.2173539]

Arm day

[Anonymous No.2173711]

>>2170440
powerful.

[Anonymous No.2173908]

>>2173539

Looking good, anon.

[Anonymous No.2173909]

>>2173520

I'd still say a basic understanding of anatomy is important. It's a lot easier to stylize and modify with a good baseline. If you get really good at drawing mickey mouse that's great, you can now draw mickey mouse and things that look very similar to mickey mouse.

[Anonymous No.2174002]

>>2173539
Really well done! Kim Jung Gi would be proud!

[Anonymous No.2174014]

>>2173187
Bump.

[Anonymous No.2174024]

>>2173187
It's not really far enough along to be able to provide useful crit at this point anon. Can you be more specific about what exactly you want help with?

I'll do my best to comment on what you have- It looks ok as a sketch but there is a lot you can improve. First up please resize your pictures. Next, your drawing consists mostly of outlines, this makes it look pretty flat. It is hard for us to see depth because you have no shading, no cross contour lines. Basically there is very little in your drawing to show that there is depth. Also if the goal is to study this photo you should look up some measuring techniques. You straightened out the face so it is looking almost head on at the viewer. Your reference picture has the cat looking slightly off center towards the right of the frame. Building a simple series of forms and using some guidelines as your basic construct will go a long way to helping your drawing be accurate and correct.

[Anonymous No.2174034]

>>2174024
>Can you be more specific about what exactly you want help with?
The sketch. I thought it's obvious considering that I've posted one.
The line, the shape…
>It looks ok as a sketch
Memes aside pls. It just can't look ok, I'm a noob.
>you have no shading
I've never shaded anything. I've no clue how to.
I've never sketched anything as well, apart from a couple of crappy sketches like that one.
>no cross contour lines
I don't even know what cross contour is.

Thanks for your reply. That's more than I expected. I though you'd tell me to read the sticky, like always tbh.

[Anonymous No.2174039]

>>2174034
I said it looks ok as a sketch because it does. It meets the minimum level for "ok" which is I can tell what it is (it's a cat under a sheet) and there are no completely horrible proportion issues (the ones you have are minor).

Go check out some art books to learn about cross contour lines, same for shading and keep sketching.

[Anonymous No.2174049]

>>2172850
>>2173113

Sorry, I meant to say "no" on looking into draw a box since we're on /ic/. If you didn't know about /ic/, then yeah do draw a box. But since we have an amazing Book archive that has Peter Han's workshop and Lectures, go there instead since it's the same thing but watered down heavily.

[Anonymous No.2174146]

>>2173201
no hes being a faggot, unless you were aiming for realism... in which case...

nice symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.2174147]

>>2173539
arm refs where?

[Anonymous No.2174153]

>>2171709
youre like 6 months worth of artist at 1 hour a day.
I would say, within the people who are good, you are the worst.

[Anonymous No.2174203]

>>2174147
book thread, so many books.

[Anonymous No.2174206]

Who else /dysgraphic but trying/ here?

[Anonymous No.2174208]

>>2174206

Well, my handwriting is irredeemably awful. Fortunately it hasn't affected my drawing too much.

[Anonymous No.2174543]

Trying to apply my studies to something without using any references. Have learned the following: I have no idea how birds work, need to add them to studies in next week. Constructing from basic forms seems to be starting to yield some ok results. I need to study composition and learn how to thumbnail. Back to studying and grinding them fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.2174750]

how does my forest look besides muddy?

[Anonymous No.2174757]

>>2174750
It shows that you haven't been considering the science behind nature.
You put solid rock on the ground but trees require mulch and dirt to grow.

If you want to do landscapes I recommend you buy a book like this about the earth and how the landscapes function.
I picked this book up for 13$ at my local grocery store. Just leave it somewhere you sit down a lot and don't have anything important to do...

[Anonymous No.2174760]

>>2174757
i should have put "so far" after that. i still have a lot to do i just want to know if it has any major problems.

[Anonymous No.2174761]

>>2174760
i should add i live in a desert so this shit literally isnt natural to me

[Anonymous No.2174762]

>>2174760
>>2174761
that's alright bro, just invest in a little knowledge and it will all become more easy for you.
Always paint landscapes in a 1600x900 pixel ratio.

[Anonymous No.2174764]

>>2174762
why those dimensions? my composition came out literally exactly how i wanted it to

[Anonymous No.2174776]

>>2174764
it's the widescreen tv and computer screen ratio.
Portraits are long and small, Landscapes are thin and wide to fit more landscape into them.

You wanted that composition great but this is the standard formula, you don't have to follow it but you are in a beginner thread so I adviced you to go to the standard.
the standard is 16x9 so you can do 3200x1800 etc

[Anonymous No.2174806]

what about this thing? perspective still fine? im thinking about do a frieze on that bottom area but would it be too awkward with the bottom part at that angle?

[Anonymous No.2174814]

>>2174806
I think the reason the perspective looks funky on this (sorry, man) is because (assuming my unerstanding is right) this picture is viewing the structure from below, but the pillars just go straight vertical instead of tapering inwards since the top will be farther away from you than the bottom. Take what I say with a grain of salt, though, I'm a beginner too.

[Anonymous No.2174823]

>>2174814
huh.. I was worried about the ellipses I didn't even think about the columns tapering. someone checked my eclipses at an earlier stage and said they were fine but I made some adjustments.

[Anonymous No.2174975]

I took a break and I don't know what the fuck to work on and learn, I know it's everything no matter what level you're on but still
should I start from scratch like the sticky?

[Anonymous No.2174978]

>>2174975
most of people here don't follow sticky, instead they work on perspective and line quality exercises(e.g Peter Han, Scott Robertson). I think these would help you, since that sketch looks a little bit messy.

[Anonymous No.2174997]

>>2174975
Work on anatomy because her arm and hand are fucked up.

[Anonymous No.2175004]

Can someone critique on this?

I'm on ""Keys to Drawing", on the handwriting and shading part. I think shading went a bit wrong.
Sorry for the shit image

[Anonymous No.2175010]

>>2175004
why do you crosshatch with pencils tho? I think that's good enough for that exercise btw, just continue to practice it frequently.

[Anonymous No.2175024]

>>2175010
I don't enough to try and shade with a pencil. I used to rub the side of the pencil for that (is that even correct?), but this is quicker and safer, although not cleaner.

[Anonymous No.2175029]

Sorry about the the picture quality, I have no scanner yet.

I have two pictures for you, three drawings total. From what I can tell I messed up the cross hatching on the skull and chicken scrached the hell out of some of its lines. Please tell me of any other problems you can see and any ways I might improve in the future. 1/2

[Anonymous No.2175031]

>>2175029 looks fucking awful man kill yourself

[Anonymous No.2175033]

Here is the second picture.

These are two separate drawings, I just wanted to save paper. I think I was a lot more confidence with my pen when drawing these two but then again it is hard to mess up a drawing of a rock or mountain.

Again, same deal just point out any problems and/or offer solutions.

[Anonymous No.2175034]

>>2175031
>looks fucking awful
I know that, tell me why.

[Anonymous No.2175035]

>>2175024
you should learn to shade with pencil though. that's how those exercises in that book designed.

[Anonymous No.2175039]

>>2175035
There a part after the exercises that mentions the several mediums, will get to that. Never before was it specifically mentioned how to use the pencil to shade other than the comparison crosshatch vs smooth shading.

[Anonymous No.2175192]

How do you determine the length of shadows?
Ignore the perspective, it's praline.

[Anonymous No.2175218]

>>2175192
Loomis demonstrates plotting shadows, I forget which book... I think it was Creative Illustration or Successful Drawing. Scott Robertson also goes over that in one of his Gnomon vids.

[Anonymous No.2175227]

>>2175192

[Anonymous No.2175229]

>>2175192
By thinking where your light comes from and then just connecting lines from the edges of the form. If you are looking for a good lecture on the entire subject I can highly recommend CTRLPaint.com's paid lecture on "Basic Rendering 2 - Imaginary shadows", you can also find it on cgpeers.

What i stated works also the other way around, you can trace the light source's location by going the other way << pic related

[Anonymous No.2175269]

What's a good anatomy book that has a lot of exercises to study from?

[Anonymous No.2175276]

>>2175269
What are you trying to aim at ? There is no anatomy book for artists that will cover or explain how to draw. Learn to draw first and then learn anatomy. I recommend Gottfried Bammes book, he covers all you'll every need to know and has great construction planes that show how to build up forms for different bones or body parts. Don't worry about the language or the text, you don't need to understand it, just look at what's shown. Its a really great resource and his ebooks are all over the net

[Anonymous No.2175299]

>>2175276
Been following the sticky and been drawing organic shapes thanks to the peter han leaks and books recommended here. Doing life drawing, etc etc. Not sure how you misunderstood my question.

Following figure drawing books, getting my ass kicked in the anatomy subject. Just looking for a good anatomy book.

[Anonymous No.2175306]

>>2175299
Anon suggested a good anatomy book, faggot. Bammes is pretty much as good as it gets.

Don't rely on people to lay out exercises for you, make your own and do them consistently.

[Anonymous No.2175321]

>>2175306
Is it better to tackle the Life Drawing book first, or the Anatomy one?

[Anonymous No.2175342]

>>2175299
Sorry, I didn't mean to come off rude and implying you don't know how to draw. I just wanted to make clear that there is 0 anatomy books, videos, online courses or anything that will have any sort of exercises for you to learn drawing the anatomy. I don't want you to be disappointed if you are looking for something like the picture that you have linked in the first post, because that picture is as far away from the truth (or an "anatomy exercise" you could learn from) as possible.

Studying anatomy is very stiff and dry, it requires you to sit down and draw the same muscle/bone multiple times over and over from different angles until you understand everything about it. One way or another it will consume a lot of time. I'm not fond about the idea of half-assing it by only looking up things that you need in your current drawing, like for example just swifly looking up how to draw an arm and then just copying a bit here and there and then forgetting about it again. It won't ever help your imaginary work and overall understanding. Take it as a perfect lesson to learn how to draw complicated forms very carefully and precisely.

tl;dr: My first reply is still valid, Gottfried Bammes' book is top tier, all the russian elitists are using it as far as I know, the book you are looking for is called "Obraz Cheloveka" or "Die Gestalt des Menschen" if its the german original edition. It has 500+ pages and starts off with some history talk, then some basics on proportions and gets started with the anatomy on pages 200+. As I said he breaks the forms down very well and you can take a look at every piece of human from different angles

>>2175321
Life Drawing

[Anonymous No.2175374]

>>2170418
Quit masturbation.

[Anonymous No.2175376]

>>2175342
Thanks for that info. I'm currently taking up courses for drawing anatomy, but I'd like to get a big head start if possible. The info provided here should get me on my way.

[Anonymous No.2175382]

>>2170418
Read 'The War of Art' by Steven Pressfield.

Also, don't focus so much emotion on end results. It's important to cultivate a love for the creative journey in itself.

[Anonymous No.2175387]

>>2170418

[Anonymous No.2175391]

Uh, is accuracy possible in drawing from life? I just kinda sketched in the forms of the objects a bit, measured kinda while doing so, and then measured more formally and adjusted things. Is this the process?

[Anonymous No.2175394]

>>2175391
look up bargue drawing course and "sight size" method for measuring.

[Anonymous No.2175396]

>>2175391
>is accuracy possible
nigga please.

[Anonymous No.2175431]

>>2175218
>>2175227
>>2175229
Thanks, guys

[Anonymous No.2175460]

I have a very retarded question.
Doing Peter Han's exercises on Textures, I can't seem to figure out a "good" texture or even think of one.

What are some examples of texture?

[Anonymous No.2175464]

>>2175460
Look around you for examples of texture. To show texture, it's just an arrangement of light and dark marks.

[Anonymous No.2175511]

What part of your drawing arm do you rest on the table? wrist? elbow? or whole arm floating?

[Anonymous No.2175515]

So when doing gesture drawings, how am I supposed to approach them? Do I simply start my imagining the being made up of blocks and cylinders?

[Anonymous No.2175533]

>>2174543
less gnome proportions, still messed up anatomy. oh wells. gathering references to try and fix it.

[Anonymous No.2175538]

Critiques? Mostly looking to improve on the issues pointed out in this post

>>2173692

and coloring.

[Anonymous No.2175540]

>>2175538
reference / study

[Anonymous No.2175584]

>>2175033
>>2175029
Bump.

[Anonymous No.2175623]

>>2175538
i think it looks cool as fuck. but its hard to judge the 'issues' since its so heavily stylized. if youre going for realism its shit and theres ton wrong with it. but you're obviously not, so ill try to point out some things that might improve it.

make your lines that are 'further back' lighter to show the distance between the front and back.

the shadow of the shell thats above his neck is very close to color of the shell. in the ref you can see that its one of the darkerest values in the pic, lighter than the darkest values of the shell. id either lightening the shells values, or darken the shadow (and the values of the other shadows such as its belly) or leave the shadows the way they are and lighten the shell a bit. id go with the later if it were me. it might help to make the light values of the head and neck, tops of legs darker too

[Anonymous No.2175629]

>>2171770

[Anonymous No.2175643]

>>2175460
Try snake skin.

[Anonymous No.2175650]

So I'm currently trying to perfect my ability to draw the head, however I cant seem to wrap my head around how I manage to fuck up the front view so badly. No matter how much I study the skull structure I cant seem to get it at all. Any suggestions on how to possibly fix this?

[Anonymous No.2175664]

I'm just about at the end of bettys book (only the coloring section is left). I want to do keys to drawing and perspective made easy, is there any one I should prioritize? I can recreate lines that I see but struggle very hard with values. This image here was supposed to be tupac, but I had to erase values so many times because I couldnt get them right, the actual lines got so distorted that I just decided to make it a generic black guy. I want to draw comics, I don't really care about making photo realistic pictures, but I don't want to abandon reality before I am ready.

[Anonymous No.2175669]

>>2175664
P.S. I want to work in digital but don't know when or how to switch because I was told its better to learn fundies in traditional pencil.

[Anonymous No.2175696]

>>2171621
nah, you didnt

learn the shapes of the face and loomis mate, it will help you a lot to know those fundamentals

[Anonymous No.2175698]

>>2175664
you know what, i just realized how fucked the proportions are on my drawing. at the time i thought they were alright but somehow i must have gotten lost.oh well,its just one more step towards being better.

[Anonymous No.2175701]

>>2175584
Last bump, someone please help out if you can.

>>2175033
>>2175029

[Anonymous No.2175796]

Okay 305 posts, Someone else needs to make the next thread this time cos I aint fucking bothering.

[Anonymous No.2176217]

>>2175664
symbol drawing/10 and that means keys to drawing awaits you

[Anonymous No.2176231]

This is only half done, but I'm wondering... Does the left side of the image need something, composition wise? It feels really empty right now, but I'm also afraid of making it too cluttered. I was thinking of just adding stuff like extra barbed wire/shell holes, stuff like that. Or possibly another soldier along the sandbags.

[Anonymous No.2176316]

>>2176231
so much in this picture doesn't make sense.

from the front back,
looks like ww1 front so.
>machine gun post would have sandbags built up around it.
>is he meant to be in a trench, then where are they stood?
>the dead tree indicates shelling.
>those guns are too close to the front line to be any use.
>why is the barbed wire behind them? they would have to run through it to escape.
>if the enemy is that close why are they stood there at all?

[Anonymous No.2176338]

>>2176316

It's 40k, technically. Death Korps, but yeah, they're WWI inspired.

Due to 40k I'm going a little more rule of cool in terms of people doing retarded things (the officer is meant to be a commissar). You're spot on with the things that don't make sense, but I'm trying to think of ways to get across a trench warfare feel, and felt like the presence of artillery and barbed wire is the best way. Also, the gun is leaned on sandbags but I haven't fleshed out the details yet so they just look like grey blobs.

[Anonymous No.2176378]

>>2171006
how do you fuck up that bad

[Anonymous No.2176380]

>>2175650
Proportions and proper measuring.

[Anonymous No.2176768]

>>2176231
How long have you been drawing?

[Anonymous No.2176769]

Complete beginner here. Can I get crit and some help on drawing the upper body of this fine gentleman

[Anonymous No.2176827]

waitin on that new thread

[Anonymous No.2176834]

>>2176827
then make one. too much bullshit and arguing just isn't worth putting the effort in to do it tbh.

also worth specifying in the next op I think that simple questions go in the questions thread.

[Anonymous No.2176849]

well shit thanks for linking the new thread
>>2176196
>>2176196

[Anonymous No.2177333]

im finally moving past this stage and going to learn more fun stuff. i'll still grind these out on my 15 minute breaks at work. feels good /ic/ im interested in drawing again.

[Anonymous No.2177636]

>>2176768

A few months, why?