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Beginner Thread - Dragonfly Edition Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:23:40 2015 No.2165189 [Reply] [Original]

Old thread: >>2160087

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

Do not forget to resize and crop your images before uploading them otherwise the autists will complain.

Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," consult the sticky: >>1579290 →

This thread's study theme is dragonfly's, I'm going to post a couple due it being hard to narrow it down to one, do try pick one from the thread so were all on the same page.

Threadly reminder to avoid carpal tunnel:
http://www.healthline.com/health/carpal-tunnel-wrist-exercises

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:25:31 2015 No.2165193 File: 103 KB, 1020x768, Dragn1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165189 Tho I chose the op image due to its nice colours, these other have a more defined perspective.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:26:28 2015 No.2165195 File: 54 KB, 1023x575, Drgn2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165193

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:27:09 2015 No.2165198 File: 89 KB, 999x664, Drgn3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165195

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:27:49 2015 No.2165199 File: 62 KB, 1025x766, drghn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165198 Last one, this little fellow with a happy face

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:47:33 2015 No.2165239 How do you draw a bug?! D:

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:51:05 2015 No.2165245 >>2165239 just treat it like mechanical shape. don't worry too much about the wing details.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:09:17 2015 No.2165264 How do y'all hold a pen(cil)? Cus' up to this point I've held it very relaxed, very leaned down, close to the paper, especially when I'm drawing from the shoulder. But now I'm doing this Peter Han thing, and he's saying to hold it at 90 degrees.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:25:39 2015 No.2165278

>>2165264
I moved to that grip a few months ago, and I'm glad I did. Partly because uneven wear on nibs is annoying as fuck.

None [or very little] of your control should come from your fingers, so the grip isn't terribly important so long as it is comfortable. If you're working traditionally, or with tilt-enable hardware, different grips have benefits depending on the stroke-type you're looking to achieve. For shading with the broad side of lead, you obviously can't hold the pencil at 90 degrees to the paper. And certain heavy inking styles rely on the brush being almost prone to achieve the desired look.

So basically, there are as many ways to hold your tool as there are artists. Just make sure you're not damaging yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:32:34 2015 No.2165283 >>2165278 What are some grips you recommend avoiding then? I know the monkey-esque "grip your pen in your fist" way is bad, but are there others?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:21:17 2015 No.2165318 what is a "high flow felt tip"? What's the recommended type of felt tip? Are we talking .20MM? .50MM? What are we talking?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:38:37 2015 No.2165331 >>2165318 we're talking your convenience man 0.3 is good, 0.5 is good too

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 21:03:35 2015 No.2165399 File: 1.16 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is literally the hardest thing on the planet. How the shit do you even do this. Goddamn Han, I'm not fucking piccaso.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 21:05:45 2015 No.2165402 File: 36 KB, 360x640, IMG_20150725_6441.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this book any good or should it just collect dust on my shelf? i want to learn the manga style along side traditional. keeps it fun for me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 21:06:21 2015 No.2165403 >>2165399 I'm on week 2, don't give up, it'll get more fun.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 21:14:18 2015 No.2165409

>>2165403
I just don't get how I'm going to master this crap in a week before the next "scheduled class" or what-have-you. It just seems real hard.

Also, I admit I peaked a couple weeks ahead and am I missing something? because suddenly he's doing like goddamn expert still lifes, like, what, I get that you can do them, that's awesome, but pull back a second so that I can too, y'know?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 21:27:17 2015 No.2165420 >>2165409 I didn't take a peak, but I started week 2 today, and it seems feasible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 21:48:54 2015 No.2165427 >>2165420 Fair enough. Just out of curiosity, how long've you drawn?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 21:53:48 2015 No.2165433 >>2165402 I can tell it's shit just by looking at the cover.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 21:56:17 2015 No.2165435 >>2165427 I started to draw seriously a week ago with Han's tutorial.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 22:50:57 2015 No.2165463 >>2165399 what is that for?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 22:58:49 2015 No.2165473 File: 1.04 MB, 2975x3850, gesture practice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've heard that it is helpful to review your 30 second gestures after doing them. Do I just go through and note the ones I fucked up on or something?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 23:30:33 2015 No.2165499

>>2165473

I would advise you to focus on doing simple gesture drawings using confident, defined action lines. Ideally this is from the neck down to the planted foot but whatever line better defines the gesture in 1 simple curve.

You seem to be new to tablet so maybe you should try drawing on paper. Just get scrappy paper or copy paper and go through a ton of it.

Also proper grip when not using a tablet: http://chiseledrocks.com/main/musings/topics/how_to_hold_the_pencilhttp://chiseledrocks.com/main/musings/topics/how_to_hold_the_pencil

When using a tablet try to still use your shoulder for drawing, never your wrist (except for really small details).

Aim for clean, simple lines. Do 30 second gestures AFTER you can do clean simple gestures that only have around 7 lines for example.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 23:59:59 2015 No.2165510

>>2165463
Peter Han's shit. It's basically doing core shapes, curves, and lines and whatnot, but without chicken scratching at all. You just do them and do them correctly.

Then you have to go over them seven more times without diverging the line at all.

It's pretty difficult. But he gave me some good tips on how to improve my larger circles / ovals, as well as keep better straight lines.

I'm just on lesson one.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 03:56:07 2015 No.2165665

>>2165399
It's supposed to be hard, it's because your little girl actuator muscles haven't learned to draw yet.
Keep doing it and your line quality will improve a great deal, just take breaks if your hand hurts and remeber to do light stretching every half hour.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 04:00:29 2015 No.2165668

>>2165473
are you even trying? fucking sit down and work. If you aren't going to at least measure the forms you are drawing to at least get close to accurate results then whats the point of drawing all this crap.every single one of these was a waste of time anon. With your next one do 3 poses and (using a grid) fucking actually do some problem solving for at least an hour.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 04:03:37 2015 No.2165669 >>2165402 It will be horrible, if you want to draw manga then study your favourite manga artists until you understand their work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 04:18:53 2015 No.2165678 >>2165399 It looks like you're drawing them too fast, you don't need to do them in a really fast swoop. Draw as slow as you can and focus on accuracy first and you will get faster, trust me

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 05:28:05 2015 No.2165707
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>>2165189

bugs are really difficult...I tried to simply the body into simple shapes and draw it at difficult angles.

Also if you look up pictures of these things there's like an infinite amount of color combinations these things can have

Still need to work on not making this stuff so chicken scratchy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 05:59:44 2015 No.2165725 File: 64 KB, 478x437, 15minutes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165189 Did the first in 15 minutes before leaving for work, as a way to start the day. Insects are hard. I know my values and shape are off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 06:03:51 2015 No.2165728 >>2165264 I hold it like a "claw" coming from lefthanded habits.Trying to unlearn it but uuugh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 06:06:09 2015 No.2165729 >>2165264 >>2165403 link?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 06:50:36 2015 No.2165746 >>2165729 It's on CGPeers.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 07:33:47 2015 No.2165760
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>>2165729
draw a box (dot com) guy has tutorials he made from his experience with peter han & those guys, its free & pretty neat I think he talks about how he holds pen etc. there as well

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 08:16:57 2015 No.2165777 >>2165729 was in last thread https://mega.nz/#F!es1BSKQR!spODyd0iaQmMelGA2GscFw

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 10:17:54 2015 No.2165837 >>2165669 How do I begin to study someone's work properly? should i just try to copy artist's work as close as possible?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 10:50:31 2015 No.2165859 Help /ic/. I get bored after just half an hour of doing gestures or drawing from life. I have dozens of art books that I've downloaded but never finished. How did/do you motivate yourself to do regular studies?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 10:57:57 2015 No.2165867 >>2165859 You just go and do it. Plug off internet cable to avoid distraction and do it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 11:42:46 2015 No.2165886 >>2165859 > I get bored after just half an hour of doing gestures or drawing from life. 30 minutes in and you get bored? You've got a long road ahead of you.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 12:33:22 2015 No.2165922
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Hey guys, I'm trying to do a study from a photograph to practice the painting part but I'm stuck. For working out the basic values and forms I think this looks like I wanted it to, but I don't know how I paint past this point. As in, how to make it less block-y and less clearly made up of these basic brush strokes

1. Do I just use a smaller and smaller brush, adding more and more, new colors in between the current ones?
2. Do I turn the brush flow down and work out transitions like that instead?
Thanks in advance

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 13:41:45 2015 No.2165977 File: 29 KB, 321x450, ss (2015-07-25 at 03.18.58).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] am i doing thumbnails right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 13:52:51 2015 No.2165982 File: 99 KB, 960x450, 1437932505472.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165977 Do more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 14:02:03 2015 No.2165987 >>2165859 >hoards books from book thread >never reads the material The epitome of never gonna make it; your kind of people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 14:15:16 2015 No.2165997 >>2165987 simply reading is not enough I'm afraid

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 14:22:35 2015 No.2166004

>>2165264
>But now I'm doing this Peter Han thing, and he's saying to hold it at 90 degrees.

He holds it that way for the warm-up only simply because the pen he uses runs out of ink very quickly. Keeping it at 90 degrees will provide some longevity. Otherwise, outside the warm up, grip however you like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 14:53:11 2015 No.2166022 File: 324 KB, 1150x750, dontlookb2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have no fcking idea where i should go i had so much hype after the sketch, i dunno if this one is too ambitious for my actual "skill"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 15:00:05 2015 No.2166025 >>2166004 Also nib When I wasn't holding it 90 degrees, nib ran out faster than ink.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 15:01:00 2015 No.2166028 Tell me good sites with nature/architecture photos for thumbnails

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 15:01:37 2015 No.2166029 >>2166022 Polish as much as you can, until you absolutely end up at a dead end. Looking good, man.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 15:14:05 2015 No.2166040
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Studying light and locating the terminator and cast shadow but cant wrap my head around the one in the middle, specially when the sphere projects the shadow on the cone and the shadow of the cone itself

Any tips or redline appreciated

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 15:47:54 2015 No.2166057 >>2166029 ty, at least the comp is ok ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 15:52:37 2015 No.2166062 >>2165189 What's lost line technique in thumbnailing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 16:52:27 2015 No.2166111 >>2165189 How did Frazetta get so good at drawing his gestures? Apparently he never used references.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 17:17:45 2015 No.2166129
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grinding. how am i doing? ballpoint pen cause my paper to curl and my new art pens naturally bleed through. till i get the correct paper im back on pensel. i do practise with ballpoint on scraps of paper at work. then toss it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 17:31:02 2015 No.2166143 >>2166040 You won't learn how to do this properly by trying to do Matt's "guides" or even watching his videos. What you're doing in this image is guessing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 17:35:01 2015 No.2166146 File: 135 KB, 1109x778, how do I into ellipse.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2166129 medium does not matter

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 17:46:35 2015 No.2166155 >>2166143 how am i going to lern to do this properly then?

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 17:57:26 2015 No.2166164
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>>2166155
This book shows how to do it properly. Its very in-depth and can get pretty technical on the subject you're trying to learn, but will offer way more than anything Matt has on his site.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 18:35:14 2015 No.2166185 >>2166164 ill give it a go then cheers

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 18:49:46 2015 No.2166191 File: 2.34 MB, 1836x2448, 20150726_174624-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do I stop drawing like disney ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:21:52 2015 No.2166209 >>2166191 Find different styles you like and emulate them. I know this one guy who draws cute ponies but can make a solid Frazetta.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:24:48 2015 No.2166210 >>2166209 The problem is I can't, I end drawing disney always

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:27:36 2015 No.2166214 >>2166210 Then stop being a stupid baby and expand your tastes. Get out of your comfort zone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:29:42 2015 No.2166215 >>2166210 You're mentally stunting yourself. Your first time copying will probably be shit but don't stop.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:30:22 2015 No.2166216 >>2166210 then I guess you have a disease

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:37:22 2015 No.2166222 >>2166214 Dude, it's not like I like disney, is just that I end drawing like it. Do you think I wouldn't like to draw like Albrecht Dürer ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:39:03 2015 No.2166223 >>2166214 >>2166215 >>2166216 Also samefag

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:39:47 2015 No.2166226 >>2166222 >is just that I end drawing like it Don't bullshit.. You're just using that style as a fail-safe to keep you from being "bad" in experimenting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:41:55 2015 No.2166229 >>2166191 Did you even draw that? Based on the shitty line quality and lack of sketching lines, I'm guessing you traced it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:45:20 2015 No.2166231

>>2166226
Ok, I will explain:

Everytime I see a style or work I like, I try to imitate it.
But when I add details it becomes disney, I don't know why.

>>2166229
I've been drawing like this so long that it become natural, I just did this an hour ago so I could show you my problem

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:58:23 2015 No.2166242

>>2166231
>But when I add details it becomes disney, I don't know why.
You're wired like that due to habits. It's like someone who does chicken scratch drawing for years, it's hard to get rid of but not impossible. Like I said, it's still a fail-safe but it happens without thought.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:06:53 2015 No.2166246
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Could anyone red line my proportion errors on an exercise I'm doing?
I think I've got the eye shape and eye socket shape down - I'm thinking that variance is okay, because they vary a little from person to person, right?
But the main problem is their proportions - could someone draw their correct positions and sizes on the face for me? I've been watching Sycra and Proko, and I've found a way that I want to approach drawing the eyes - but neither mention the size of the sockets or eyeballs, or the eye opening.
I hope I'm not being too vague here, but I really need just a bit of guidance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:09:02 2015 No.2166247 >>2166028 maps.google.com

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:13:55 2015 No.2166251 >>2166191 try drawing a subject that is rarely associated with disney. The dragonfly exercise (OP post) is pretty good for this i think

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:24:36 2015 No.2166262
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Been working on this, didn't get to the hands/hair yet.
Stage right hand is supposed to be skeletal, should I make the wrist part thinner or is it fine as it is? Any other mistakes?

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:28:03 2015 No.2166269

I seem to need to learn in detail how to draw basic geometric shapes in different perspectives. A simple thing that I kinda skipped in order to draw bad porn and now I want to actually learn how to correctly draw. But as simple as it seems to say "practice geometric shapes in perspective" I can't seem to visualize it in my head enough to draw it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 21:28:11 2015 No.2166323
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>>2166191
>>2166231
>I've been drawing like this so long that it become natural, I just did this an hour ago so I could show you my problem

Sure thing, you fucking faggot. Don't want to draw like Disney? Then don't fucking copy frames from Disney movies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 21:30:40 2015 No.2166329 >>2166323 Wow, that's embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 22:49:35 2015 No.2166382 >>2166323 GET R E K T

>>	catbutts Sun Jul 26 22:51:11 2015 No.2166384 >>2166323 destroyed

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 22:57:47 2015 No.2166391 File: 59 KB, 529x452, 1369407062859.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2166323 Someone order me a cup of BTFO.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 23:00:35 2015 No.2166395 File: 360 KB, 1200x816, 645543656453543.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hurr

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 23:11:44 2015 No.2166405
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>>2166146
I have questions:

What do you mean "proper (slightly)"? What's "slightly" about it? And to the same point, what's the true proper way?

I just want to make sure I get the axis one (number 3) correctly- basically eyeballing and then correctly sizing around a cross?

And what exactly is Number 5? Like I said, most of the others I get, the horizontal, the funnel, drawing oval-centric objects, the horizon, etc. But I don't really follow 5.

Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 23:23:18 2015 No.2166414 >>2166323 YAAAAASSSSSS

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 23:28:10 2015 No.2166417

>>2166146
Thanks. I was just aimlessly doing ellipses for a long time, putting guidelines in place forcing me to adhere to a set of dimensions is probably way better. I can draw a perfect circle and ellipses pretty well but the whole point is being able to put them in place somewhere on the page and mine still lack that quality.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 23:30:37 2015 No.2166419

So let me ask y'all about this peter han line bullshit, okay? What am I supposed to be looking at by the end here? Because even if mine aren't fraying at the ends or twisting in knots or anything, they're still clearly darker, and ever so slightly thicker than the original line was.
Am I fucking up, or is that just how it is?

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 23:33:23 2015 No.2166422

>>2166419
No, that's just how it is. The point is to train the muscles in your arm. This is no different from athletic training of certain motions, or playing scales for music etc. The point is to build up muscle memory and get your brain to start soldifying a network of neurons devoted to properly controlling your arm and hand so you can make smooth lines from one point to the next. A lot of beginners have issues with this simple task and hence it's the first thing people are told to work on. If you are doing it and it's turning out well, congrats you already have some of the appropriate motor skills to start the very basics of making drawings.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 00:20:01 2015 No.2166457

>>2166419
>>2166422

seeing as this is already being talked about-

I for the most part keep on the same line (I bumple a bit, but that I can fix), but the thing is, that initial line is never perfectly straight. generally there's either small dips, or a particular curve from where my pen left the paper right at the end.

any tips on keeping a straighter line the first time?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 00:20:54 2015 No.2166459 >>2166457 You should be using a straight edge or a ruler for the initial line anon. After that everything is freehand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 00:24:59 2015 No.2166460 >>2166459 really? even though han does it freehand in his video? I mean, wouldn't he specify to also use a ruler?

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 00:32:37 2015 No.2166463

>>2166460
This is where your own free thinking and critical mind come into play anon. I can only give you my opinion on the matter. I believe in you and believe you will make whatever decision is correct for you. However this is how I see it:

Han does it freehand cause he's already good.

The point of the exercise is to practice drawing a straight line.

Can you draw a straight line freehand yet? If so you don't need this exercise. If not, use a ruler so you know what you are aiming for and practice. If you don't use a ruler, what exactly are you aiming for? What would be a perfect attempt? The squiggly line you put down initially? I don't think so. A perfect attempt would be a straight line. So use a straight edge or a ruler.

But you can do what you want. Good luck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 00:38:38 2015 No.2166467 >>2166463 >Can you draw a straight line freehand yet? If so you don't need this exercis I'll never forget my highschool teacher who taught me how to use the overhand grip. Funny thing was that he taught PE.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 00:52:30 2015 No.2166476 How important are nibs? Should I buy a lot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:01:10 2015 No.2166480 >tfw shaking hand dude am I low in some sort of bullshit mineral or something i swear to god i'm like michael j fox over here, i've just tried to ignore it, but now it's dibilitating

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:03:43 2015 No.2166484 File: 80 KB, 500x500, 1328729853567.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2166480 If that ever happens to me, I'll learn to draw with my foot or mouth. Best of luck man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:05:24 2015 No.2166487 File: 462 KB, 1000x1900, gestures.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Have my gestures improved in the slightest? I've taken longer and tried to be more conscious in my line placement.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:08:29 2015 No.2166491

>>2166480
Please explain in more detail if the following does not relate, but I'm going to assume for now you are referring to trying to draw straight lines?

A few things

Lock your wrist, draw with your arm. Shakey lines and shit are generally because you are doing small motions, instead of big ones. You can draw straight lines easily if they are large motions using your arm, not your wrist.

Draw lines of various lengths, if you are only trying to draw small tiny short lines you're gonna get shaky shit. Draw lines that nearly go from one end of the page to the other.

Change up your speed. This shit might seem super simple and super basic but you gotta take your time and THINK about everything you're doing fam. If your lines are all wobbly and shit you need to go faster. If they swoop or curve smoothly you need to go slower. It's gonna take time to find that sweet spot, but once you do it's gonna be good, trust me.

Speaking of effort and stuff taking time, this shit takes practice bruh. Not everyone has already trained these muscles. It will take a week or so of daily practice at the absolute minimum to get better. Keep at it. Do not ignore it, focus and power through.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:11:21 2015 No.2166493 >>2166480 VECTORS E C T O R S

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:20:23 2015 No.2166499
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>>2166487
I am no expert, but my humble opinion follows:
If you have time for that many cross contours on your forms you are doing it wrong. The goal is to portray motion and positioning of the limbs simply and with a flow to them. The amount of lines in those gestures lead me to believe you are spending way to much time on them. If you have this much time you need to spend more of your time observing and thinking before making those marks. In this particular case anon I'd say try to do more with less.

Pick a few landmarks on the body and show those and nothing more. The goal is to create a scaffolding that you can build the rest of the figure on top of.

Again, I can't claim to be an expert but less is more in my opinion. Pic related these are some of my attempts at gesture (1-2 minutes each).

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:23:28 2015 No.2166504
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>>2166487
The lines you're placing for directional view are messing things up. You don't need to place them when starting out, that and the way you're placing is not correct. IF you insist on using them then make sure it's pulling the viewer to the correct angle.

One more thing, simplify your lines. Focus on the gesture and ignore contours. If you're trying to do what Jeff Watts is showing here, stop. He has decades of experience which allows him to do that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:26:59 2015 No.2166507 File: 522 KB, 977x543, watts.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2166504 forgot video https://youtu.be/zKfsZaNrmzM?t=56m36s >>2166499 Ya, land marks can make a world of a difference.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:34:42 2015 No.2166514

>>2166484
'preciate it.

>>2166491
it's weird that you mention having trouble with straight lines, as that's actually something I need to work on, though not really what I was talking about. I mean a nigh unstoppable hand/finger/arm shaking. It's something I've done my best to avoid dealing with, but drawing has really put it to the forefront of my brain.

>>2166493
pardon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:35:57 2015 No.2166515 >>2166507 Whoa... thanks anon, this is cool. I'm >>2166499 I'll be studying this in detail later. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:38:56 2015 No.2166518 >>2166514 They are telling you to use vector art to avoid wobbly lines. You can't have wobbly lines in vector art, unless it's on purpose. Look up illustrator or vector art on google for examples.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:42:33 2015 No.2166520 >>2166515 If you get the chance, watch their other workshop videos. Jeff and whoever is drawing answers a shit load of questions each time which is really informative.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:46:09 2015 No.2166523 Is it preferred to start with the head when you start drawing? Does it even matter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:47:46 2015 No.2166527 >>2166523 I switch it up. My opinion is that it only matters when someone needs to use the head as a measuring tool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:49:29 2015 No.2166528 >>2166523 I start with torso and hip masses. Everything else is secondary to that in my opinion.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:56:32 2015 No.2166532

>>2166507
>that fucking line control, those shapes, that easy shift from super light sketch to dark lay in
holy fuck, it's nice to look up at the peak of the mountain from time to time and imagine that someday after I climb this fucker I'll be there too.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 02:02:54 2015 No.2166534
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I might be the last one to figure this out, but in case I'm not, check out this sweet pro tip: if you're practicing ellipses, with your wrist locked and your moving you arm- try holding the pen like normal, between your thumb, middle, and index fingers. But the trick is, to let your middle finger lay on the paper as a guide instead of keeping it suspended with the other fingers. It's a fucking wonder.
I just hope this isn't secretly a super bad habit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 04:01:02 2015 No.2166594 File: 1.25 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] started to pass out by the time I did the arcs and waves on this sheet, but I think my straight lines and ovals are beginning to look moderately okay

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 04:39:58 2015 No.2166620 >>2166534 Ahh fuck, you got me doing it now too and the elipses are perfect. Probably gonna give me carpal tunnel though. >tfw your gestures are so light you can't get a decent photo of them

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 04:42:04 2015 No.2166622 >>2166620 That's a good thing though. You can easily turn that gesture into a full piece.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 05:16:47 2015 No.2166641 File: 2.95 MB, 3000x5000, tower.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i feel like i fucked up the perspective on this. did i? also im having a hard time with columns that on the side that go behind. so tips on that would be nice

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 05:19:20 2015 No.2166642 File: 271 KB, 450x750, tower.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i feel like i fucked up the perspective? how does it look. im also having a hard time with the columns that go around the side so tips for that would be nice

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 05:48:14 2015 No.2166656 File: 109 KB, 600x407, 9583-loomis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Should I draw the gesture loomis way (pic related) or the way proko does it? In general, is proko a better guide for noobs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 05:51:02 2015 No.2166657 >>2166656 I wouldn't consider those gestures, they're too constructive. You may be a bit confused, but I'd say stick with proko, he knows his shit and his videos are real helpful when it comes to gesture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 06:03:50 2015 No.2166662 File: 185 KB, 426x458, 1359763121881.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just started on drapery and no wonder why so many people hate it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 08:13:20 2015 No.2166715 >>2166657 Aight, tnx. I did get used to drawing those skellies loomis suggests, but prokos way just looks a bit better and easier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 08:22:01 2015 No.2166721 >>2166715 Everyone has their different style for gesture and you'll develop your own too. Proko will also tell you that. Best of luck on the path.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 08:38:38 2015 No.2166731 >>2166323 JUST

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 08:49:08 2015 No.2166735 >>2166323 fucking exposed how did you find that exact moment by the way, did you just happen to remember it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 09:01:22 2015 No.2166744 >>2166269 Buy some shapes, basic childrens blocks and draw them. I'm about to do something similar with a plaster cast set and a friend vagina.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 09:04:58 2015 No.2166747 File: 17 KB, 400x300, 219291.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2166323 TRUMPED

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:44:06 2015 No.2166863 wake up 45 replies oh good lets look at all the art. 8 pointless replies to >>2166323 a number of questions that belong in the questions that don't deserve their own thread, thread. EG >>2166476 Why so much retardation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:54:26 2015 No.2166874 File: 13 KB, 320x320, 11017657_1470962086522980_1800649930_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2166721 Ty anon. Hope I make it someday.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:26:40 2015 No.2166895 >>2166323 brutal

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:28:00 2015 No.2166896 File: 56 KB, 700x797, sockets.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone have any more images like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:41:25 2015 No.2166915 >>2166594 It's quite messy. Try to channel a perfectionist attitude when you do these. Go slow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:27:51 2015 No.2166937 File: 1.90 MB, 220x160, 1436615241685.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So I've got the figure and clothing down. How do I approach shading and coloring? Which one should I attempt to learn first?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:51:34 2015 No.2166953 >>2166937 Values and lighting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:55:14 2015 No.2166959 >>2166953 Watching this atm. Can't believe I skipped this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dqGkHWC5IU Thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:21:42 2015 No.2166983 >>2166915 Maybe you could elaborate just a tad on what's messy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:21:46 2015 No.2166984 File: 34 KB, 486x209, eyes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Could someone critique this?

>>	noko Mon Jul 27 14:24:18 2015 No.2166987 File: 1.17 MB, 480x360, shrekd.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2166323 GOHOEMANDGETSHREKTLADDY.png

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:59:51 2015 No.2167013

>>2166405
What I mean by "slightly" is that I'm not a bachelor of ellipses as you may see from my shitty ellipses. I just snatched slightly more proper exercises from Han and Robertson.
As for exercises themselves you can approach number 3 differently: either you draw ellipse first and then mark it's axes or you can mark axes first(this is actually way harder) and then try to hit exactly where axes stop(as you can see I fucked it up). First teaches you to divide ellipse correctly and second, well, second is just for the sole reason of good old torture.
Number five is relatively simple once you get the idea of it. You create two-point corner and then try to snap your ellipse on both planes surfaces. Like mine cart or car or wheels. Minor axis of ellipse - and this is important will work as axle of these wheels. I like it because not only it helps ellipse skill grow, it also makes you practice ever so handy two-point itself! Just remember to put vanishing points off frame waay far because that will greatly help you guesstimate good looking two-point eventually.
>>2166417
You'll get there man. Just always think about it as if it's circle that is turned in space, not ellipse. This will make it a powerful tool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:06:06 2015 No.2167019 File: 40 KB, 132x111, rick.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2167013 >Just always think about it as if it's circle that is turned in space, not ellipse wut

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:32:10 2015 No.2167045
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Wanted to draw an island or something but i feel that im just off way too much.

It feels cartoony which i can accept since im new but i dont know what I'm doing wrong. Just keep adding details?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:34:32 2015 No.2167051 >>2167045 many reasons. saturation is one. irl is quite desaturated. use a reference lad

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:36:59 2015 No.2167053 >>2167051 so i suppose a good rule of thumb is to always use reference?

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:39:01 2015 No.2167057
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so i'm trying to use my drawing tablet but i'm bad at it. I'm more of a pen and paper type of guy but trying a new medium is hard. What do you think of the first piece that i've made?

Also does anyone know a better free art program then krita? Krita doesn't have an eraser

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:46:17 2015 No.2167060 >>2167053 If you feel like your drawing is weak or lacking, use reference. Eventually you'll have practiced using reference enough that you can go without it. You're a beginner, though, so yeah, using reference is pretty much a must for now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:49:19 2015 No.2167130 >>2167019 take a coin and hold it up the heads facing you, now tilt it a couple of degrees in front of your eyes. Now look at the shape, tadaa its a ellipse. think of ellipses like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:32:05 2015 No.2167170 File: 239 KB, 825x1102, milla j.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I am at the point where I know it's far from being decend, yet I have no idea what could I do to make it better. Help please

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:33:45 2015 No.2167172 >>2167170 I mean, without going hard in detail, as it's bad even in it's simplicity

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:52:05 2015 No.2167239 File: 151 KB, 624x864, work_work.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Am I doing okay?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:59:56 2015 No.2167241 >>2167239 I like it. Keep it up! Your single point perspective seems to be ok so far. I think you should do a few more of the jumbled shapes though. Looking nice!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:14:00 2015 No.2167256 >>2167241 Alright, will do. Thanks for the feedback!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:46:07 2015 No.2167282 File: 1.02 MB, 2300x1500, dontlookb4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165189 i'm still working on it, looks fcking too flat :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:48:13 2015 No.2167283 File: 1.02 MB, 2300x1500, dontlookb4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2166022 i'm still working on it but looks too flat :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:06:40 2015 No.2167294 File: 2.09 MB, 2300x1500, 1438040893478.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2167283 That's because your values are nonexistent, try to work in black and white for a while and forget color all together.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:14:38 2015 No.2167296 >>2167294 could be pushed much, much further than this btw

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:28:13 2015 No.2167303 >>2167296 Absolutely, what I did was 5 min Photoshop fuckery with a mouse to demonstrate the problem. I also while doing it noticed that there was absolutely no sings of form in the torso of the zombie thing even the lines were just a mess

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:41:10 2015 No.2167311

>>2166735
There aren't that many Disney dogs, so I just googled disney dogs and found the one that looked like the most like the drawing. Then I just skipped through the movie and found the frame. He's only in it for about 5 minutes, so it wasn't very hard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:10:19 2015 No.2167335 File: 95 KB, 500x384, 2fxbzDpDD1qbunn4o1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2166323 >>2166191

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:39:24 2015 No.2167428 Doing exercises from How to Draw for a while now. Would getting Keys to Drawing or a similar book and trying to learn straight art and sketching from mind at the same time be a good idea? If not, which should I work for first?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:41:26 2015 No.2167433 File: 34 KB, 388x610, ss (2015-07-28 at 04.08.20).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] am i in the right thread?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:48:51 2015 No.2167438 >>2165193 am I the only one who sees the a happy anime face? or am I the only one who suffers from symbol drawing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:57:21 2015 No.2167441 >>2166523 Vilppu has to say that this falls in the category of "No rules, just tools". Whatever works for you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:04:11 2015 No.2167443 >>2166323 you know... there is this guy in my uni who is always taking draws from different artist in internet, then he trace it, color it sometimes, and put a firm on it. I found a strange kind of rage.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:07:48 2015 No.2167446
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>>2166323
>People thinking they can get away with copying
>Posting it on 4chin of all places
>Thinking 4chin denizens don't have photographic memories from all the porn they memorize
EPIC

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:11:21 2015 No.2167447 >>2166984 wow so uh... what did you learn from this

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:12:50 2015 No.2167449 >>2166987 HIS SHOES JUST FUCKING FLEW OFF

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:14:17 2015 No.2167450 >>2167170 it's not terrible. Thumb nail looks pretty good, so I would make the value less muddy and more opaque and solid and if you focus on your linework, it could look really clean and nice

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:20:57 2015 No.2167459 File: 224 KB, 500x753, Wizard color.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] help

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:40:46 2015 No.2167489 >>2167311 Sounds hard to believe. my tinfoil hat says the anon who posted the drawing and the one who got him reckt are the same anon, that just wanted to be part of le ebin memebtfo

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:44:24 2015 No.2167499

>>2167057
Krita does have an eraser. You can switch the current brush into eraser mode by pressing E and again to switch back. There's also separate brushes meant to be used as erasers. Don't be dumb anon why would a drawing program not have a fucking eraser

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:50:12 2015 No.2167509 >>2166523 Most people start with the head because it's a focal point and a unit of measurement. It doesn't really matter though, I usually start with the asshole when drawing porn and it's never steered me wrong before.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:52:54 2015 No.2167517

>>2167509
>I usually start with the asshole
Ha never heard of anyone starting that way! Personally I start with the torso, usually the shoulders. Tends to help me get the pose and proportions better that way it seems. I always fuck things up when I start with the head.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:55:26 2015 No.2167523 File: 1.31 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] progress: 0

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:03:40 2015 No.2167527 File: 50 KB, 700x700, 3453453462342342435435.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Read the book on perspective, and watched a few thumbnail painting tutorials. But when it comes to "Going in" for more detail, I always seem to fail.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:05:54 2015 No.2167531
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Really, really new.. would love some critique and or advice. Started out just as a pose study, but I was enjoying the piece. I left the face and hands as well as the feet rudimentary as I need practice on them individually first.
Was going for a demoness character.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:09:55 2015 No.2167538 >>2167527 What resolution are you painting at? For adding detail just have a big canvas and use small brushes and patience, you can zoom a bit if you need to as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:53:23 2015 No.2167576 >>2167527 Values. specially on the bottom row

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 01:34:45 2015 No.2167611 >>2167527 This looks fun, what exactly are the thumbnail tutorials.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:24:09 2015 No.2167650 File: 85 KB, 697x712, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165195

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:32:08 2015 No.2167656 >>2167459 WARNED YOU ABOUT CHICKEN SCRATCHES I TOLD YOU DOG

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 02:33:38 2015 No.2167660 >>2166983 Not him but >Circles getting out of their guidelines (did you do the lines after?) >Circles overlapping with other circles

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:02:44 2015 No.2167685 File: 61 KB, 754x675, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165193

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:23:15 2015 No.2167690 >>2167685 It's funny because the thumbnail looks shitty but it's actually quite decent.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:52:32 2015 No.2167702

Is it worthwhile to redo a drawing if you don't like the way it came out? What I'm getting at is, is the most efficient learning done when drawing something for the first time? Will drawing the exact same picture again still be as beneficial as the first to improvement?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 04:06:35 2015 No.2167709

>>2167702
Start over man. There is no shame in throwing shit away. If the foundation isn't there, you're shooting yourself in the foot by trying to fix it. Use thumbnail sketches, if you're having trouble getting it right the first time. Pound out 5 or 10 and pick the best one, then work off it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 04:08:28 2015 No.2167711

>>2167709

I was sitting in an awkward position cause im having some muscle pain which caused me to draw some things out of proportion without realizing it until i resumed my usual position. I was just wondering now that I feel better If i should draw it again.

I will draw it again, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:01:54 2015 No.2167727 >>2167531 I think her tibia is broken. Also her head is tiny and has no volume (face looks plain).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:10:29 2015 No.2167733 >>2167727 Agreed on the head and face, I definitely need a lot of work there. As for the tibia, the intention was digitgrade legs with hooves replacing the feet. I just suddenly realized I had no idea how to draw hooves. lol

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 05:51:23 2015 No.2167746
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>>2165199
fuuuck this, I'm tired op.
It was fun for a while, and I wanted to do showcase fainter traces on the wings' patterns but I don't really feel like going on.
Maybe later.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:02:14 2015 No.2167753

>>2167611

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umpmbbcAzgU&list=PL0SSy7vUJ6ExSzVbhaliZ6S8242dJtKDm

>Digital - Tutors Creative Development Painting a Fantasy Environment in Photoshop

>Digital Tutors Creative Environment Thumbnail Techniques in Photoshop_2013

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:55:59 2015 No.2167775 File: 219 KB, 1000x990, lina ff9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] any glaring issues here before i crack on?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:09:16 2015 No.2167783 >>2167775 beginner here but i think her neck looks too long could be wrong i am just a beginner after all

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:10:50 2015 No.2167784 >>2167746 I know anon, the wing detail was a tall order for anyone, but don't worry it was just a simple perspective exercise, you've passed. >>2167685 >>2167650 >>2165707 >>2165725 thx for participations.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:12:25 2015 No.2167785

I noticed the sticky seems to be aimed at people who plan to draw from real life and try to recreate reality with their illustrations. If one would like to ultimately draw comics/manga, would all the advice be the same? On that note, when should I switch from pencil and paper to digital art on a tablet, since that's ultimately what I want to work on?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:23:28 2015 No.2167790
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>>2167785
yes, you have to still learn how to draw real if you want to draw stylized.
observe this, it has anatomy, muscles, perspective, lighting.

you don't want to end up like christoper heart.

you can draw an anime dragonfly if u want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:25:34 2015 No.2167791 File: 45 KB, 500x706, tumblr_mf9l4uSJz51r8jjy7o1_500[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2167790 pic related

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:34:23 2015 No.2167795 >>2167791 dear god what is that yeah.... ill stick to drawing real life and stuff for now....

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:38:12 2015 No.2167797 >>2167433 Eh you could go to the draw thread but its really hard to judge based on that one picture since its rather simple.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:39:51 2015 No.2167799
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>>2167791
(Different anon btw)
That also has anatomy, muscles, perspective and lighting.
Just not a proper one.

Anyway yeah, even though manga breaks rules of proportion and anatomy it breaks them in a cute way.
Can't learn how to draw cute things without learning to draw properly.
Btw I'm so drawing a kawaii Dragonfly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 08:45:43 2015 No.2167842 >>2167499 well when I was looking at it when I used the ones that looked like erasers it left behind a checkered pattern that i thought was going to stay on the picture so excuse me for not knowing how a new software will act

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 09:05:51 2015 No.2167853 File: 373 KB, 1200x816, 234242532432.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No stabilizer warm up shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 10:57:24 2015 No.2167935 >>2167523 i don't get this exercise. why don't people just doodle what they want and have fun in improving their linework instead of drawing shitty circles all day.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 11:09:05 2015 No.2167950 >>2167935 Its to break bad habits, when you draw and doodle all day you might be reinforcing your chicken scratch. Also circles = hard as fuck to draw well yet extremely important, you can't build a house if you can't lay a proper foundation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 11:10:02 2015 No.2167951 >>2167428 bump >>2167935 I think it's important to acquire a good sense of perspective.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 11:19:11 2015 No.2167958 How much should the imagination and studying ratio be? I was thinking 50/50 is safe but what about you guys?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 11:28:44 2015 No.2167967

>>2167958
I do it spontaneously. I think it's more important that you just draw. Either if it's from imagination or a study.
But if you want to git gud I think it should be a 30/70 or 40/60 ratio since you will learn more by actually studying. But don't take me too serious. I'm by no means a good artist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 11:50:02 2015 No.2167988 what is the meaning of having a beginner thread if we're all beginners here? it's like circle jerking

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 11:58:19 2015 No.2167995

>>2167988
to ask questions mainly and help each other out.
even if you're a beginner too, there's still things like motivation or how to practice properly that you can ask about.
Or some of us post something and pray that an expert will come out of the heavens to give us advice.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:03:48 2015 No.2168088
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Hey. I'm new to /ic/ and drawing. So if I could get any advice on this at all, it would be great.

I'm also in a rut with money, so I draw on paper, scan my work in and outline it in photoshop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:28:25 2015 No.2168125 >>2168088 Start over and use a reference. Don't avoid drawing hands/feet; you won't learn until you've tried.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:32:00 2015 No.2168129 >>2168125 Not avoided, just haven't got there yet

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:36:12 2015 No.2168133 >>2168088 Looks like you just drew the shirt without thinking about the body under it. Clothing doesn't fold like that and it looks disturbing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:39:32 2015 No.2168139 >>2168129 So you're drawing everything but the hands and feet, scanning your image, and then adding the hands and feet in photoshop after inking?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:39:48 2015 No.2168140 >>2168133 Alright. I did draw the body beneath. I'll work on anatomy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:42:03 2015 No.2168141 >>2168139 I just exported what I had. I was going to do the hands and feet from reference since I'm not too good. I haven't got the original picture, though

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:43:23 2015 No.2168142 >>2168088 nice perspective with arms you got there

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:44:12 2015 No.2168143 >>2168141 I see. Draw most things from reference. That's how you expand your visual library and improve. GL.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 14:44:50 2015 No.2168144 >>2168143 Alright. Thanks a ton

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:43:53 2015 No.2168191

>>2168141

There's nothing wrong with using a reference by the way. Even a good artist still looks at anatomy books and photos for reference when they need it. As long as you're not just copying from your reference instead of using it to help you understand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:53:07 2015 No.2168201 File: 1.80 MB, 2560x1920, 2015-07-28 21.38.30.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Guess movie. Also critique I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:54:48 2015 No.2168203 >>2168201 The Shining?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:17:20 2015 No.2168231 >>2168203 Correcto, also is it weird that I think she's a qt?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 16:55:41 2015 No.2168273 >>2165189 These dragonflies are a very good exercise to break into cylinders and boxes.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:20:44 2015 No.2168310
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>>2168143
>>2168142
>>2168133
>>2168125
>>2168088
>>2168088

I went back over it and looked at a reference. I improved shitty bits and added in the hands/feet. Further feedback?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:23:41 2015 No.2168320 File: 168 KB, 400x400, 1351768092260.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-LZVFZuGE&list=PLV2X3tgajVlHkH3FHxm3rLZWqScFTRhtv Is this a good series to study light?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:25:31 2015 No.2168321 >>2168320 no

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:29:37 2015 No.2168324 >>2168201 are those vertical lines freehand?

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:29:41 2015 No.2168325

>>2168310
It fucking sucks. I don't even need to see the reference to know that you completely ignored it. Why should I give you well thought feedback when you wont bother putting an effort into getting better?

Go back to your reference, draw a grid, and literally measure where the shapes land in each square or fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:31:20 2015 No.2168329 >>2168321 Any reason why? It seems pretty solid and informative.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:38:55 2015 No.2168337 >>2168325 Alright

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:39:21 2015 No.2168338 >>2168329 It's Sycra, dismiss everything of his. If you want to understand lighting look for How to Render

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:01:31 2015 No.2168363
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>>2168338
You dumbass.
Its lighting for beginners.
How to render comes after you get all your basic shit together.

This is why babies start on breastmilk and develop before they move onto solids.
Another example: Doing Perspective made easy before you start with how to draw.
You are right that the source you recommend is better for a more advanced student but not everyone is at that point yet and you need to take that into consideration.

>>2168320
That series will not take you from amature to pro but it will introduce you to the key concepts of lighting and build a foundation to work from.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:18:47 2015 No.2168385 >>2168337 and when you upload again be sure to resize that thing so it isn't freaking 9000x9000. That is completely insane considering you aren't even going to need a fraction of that for the quality of your posts. Now get to that grid.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:43:12 2015 No.2168416
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Don't have time to practice nearly as much as I'd like to, but been trying to take it more seriously recently. Cracked open a new sketchbook today, so sharing my first two sketches in it.

Perspective seems a little off here... his body is clearly angled, as seen in the shoulders, but I don't think I represented the difference in angle well with the rest of the body, making it look like the head is just completely in the wrong place?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:44:41 2015 No.2168418 File: 447 KB, 1280x1707, tumblr_ns7yug1QwJ1s9xbczo1_1280[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2168416 aaand #2

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:57:17 2015 No.2168433 I can't to that sighting thing, my hand is shaking. what to do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:01:38 2015 No.2168437 >>2168433 stabilize your hand with your other hand or lay your hand onto something? idk man but if you are shaking you should consider doing some exercise and staying healthy.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:11:10 2015 No.2168448

>>2168437
Yeah, I'm doing these while in front of computer display, or while using a high table but it's not easy in all positions. Anyway I have that problem for years(I doubt it's because I have very long arms), it's not parkinson's level but annoying and keeps me from focusing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:19:47 2015 No.2168463 >>2168416 It looks like that left shoulder is trying to escape. Don't let it get away anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 23:53:30 2015 No.2168695 >>2168363 Different anon but what's a good book/course for understanding lighting then?

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 00:09:08 2015 No.2168701
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Anyone got some tips for this lines and shapes bullshit?

Because I don't think I've improved a lick so far- I mean, don't get me wrong, I get that it takes more than a week or whatever, but I just wanna know if I'm even practicing "correctly", y'know? At least with still lifes I can say "well this clearly looks less shit than the last one".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 00:28:04 2015 No.2168721 >>2166323 B T F O T F O

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 00:33:31 2015 No.2168727 >>2168701 listen to me when I say DRAW SLOWER, it's obvious you're drawing them too fast. Draw really slow, the DAILY diligent practice will bring speed along with accuracy, trust me I was in the same situation as you

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 00:38:55 2015 No.2168728

>>2168701
If you're using felt tip pen for those try going back to pencils when you're drawing what you like. You'll do things more confidently and it'll seem like it's much easier to draw what you envision with it. Otherwise, keep at it. As a 4 month noob I can assure you it'll get better after ~3 weeks if you do those line exercises and at least one page of circles/ellipses every day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:27:27 2015 No.2168779 File: 474 KB, 1000x1000, 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:51:33 2015 No.2168791 File: 75 KB, 1000x652, Cockateilsaurus Fullbody.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this too far gone? I know I fucked the placement of the feet. I'm just wondering if its worth saving even

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:57:09 2015 No.2168793 >>2168791 It looks like an easy fix. It's funny, finish it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:06:30 2015 No.2168798 File: 75 KB, 1000x652, Cockateilsaurus Fullbody.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2168791 here you go buddy everything else pretty neat. Hes cute as fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:15:57 2015 No.2168861 What are some exercises that will help me "Draw what I see"? Break things down into simple lines to make replicating seemingly complex pictures more easily.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:34:15 2015 No.2168871 >>2167775 The neck is almost as big as her face, also what's with those shoulders? I'm guessing it's some lose fabric thing, but it's not being conveyed well. >>2168861 STICKY T I C K Y

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:38:10 2015 No.2168876

>>2168779
Can anyone give me pointers on how to polish this down further? I know it has a lot of issues still, looking for how to get better. Was trying to blend, but am also only using a single brush and the eraser right now. Should I use other brushes to help blend? What else do I need to fix?

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:41:08 2015 No.2168880

>>2168871

>le ebin sticky meme

the sticky is shit, if you want to help people why dont you actually say something useful instead of spouting memes. if you dont wanna help just be quiet

>>2168861

Try some upside down line drawings, like Igor Stravinsky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:42:46 2015 No.2168882 >>2168880 I think by sticky he means that one exercise that pretty much everyone on this board has done

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:53:30 2015 No.2168890
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>>2168861
don't break things down to simple lines anon. break things down to simple forms.

cube, box, cylinder, cone, pyramid, sphere, capsule

these and partial bits of them put together can let you construct anything. go study your forms and you can start to understand how stuff is constructed. if you want simplified ways of thinking about things, look up asaro heads and planes of the x type anatomy. where x is the thing you want to study. planes of the torso for example, pic related.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 06:08:16 2015 No.2168899 >>2168890 When you say study your forms, you mean my shapes right? Like what you said, cube,box cylinder, cone, pyramid, sphere, and capsule? I'll go find some resources for that, thanks!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 06:21:44 2015 No.2168905 >>2168899 generally i use the terms forms because i am talking about 3d representations cube vs square, pyramid vs triangle etc. shapes are generally 2d, at least in my training.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 06:30:23 2015 No.2168913 >>2168905 oh thanks for the clarification. I like knowing different terms, it helps me remember more technical aspects of drawing. i owe you one

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 06:57:57 2015 No.2168927
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Frankly I feel like I take too much time on a drawing, maybe it's because I'm not completely comfortable with digital but line art + colouring/shading takes way too long (or far longer than it should). Some of my friends told me I should try line art-less or a sketchier look, I'll just go do figures while I work this out

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:07:04 2015 No.2168998 File: 97 KB, 960x540, dragonfly 29.07.15.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Started drawing today, bought some paper and a couple different pencils and saw this thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:48:27 2015 No.2169017 >>2168998 Forget the color when you start do just black and white. Also your drawing is really flat atm try to think in 3d on the paper, draw the other side of the subject trough it if that helps you to start.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:48:28 2015 No.2169018 >>2166323 LONDON O N D O N

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:48:34 2015 No.2169019 >>2168998 severe symbol drawing/10 don't care If you want tho, I'm not better than you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:51:01 2015 No.2169021 File: 341 KB, 1500x700, pespective_sheet1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2168998 >>2169017 Here is a picture to demonstrate drawing trough

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:59:20 2015 No.2169029 File: 106 KB, 420x500, 1291127379292.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2167446 >tfw you recognised stolen lens flare once no wonder i dont have any friends

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 10:49:10 2015 No.2169091 File: 295 KB, 1350x1500, dragonflyp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165193

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 11:35:35 2015 No.2169158 >tfw trying to study insects >mfw getting the full anatomy of a single species of ant or grasshopper is near impossible >all these exterminator websites mislabeling ants as fire ants Jesus christ I should just stick with kawaii anime sluts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 11:41:42 2015 No.2169166 >>2168701 As mentioned, slow down. Ghost the lines before drawing them, focus on getting them right every time and eventually you'll be able to do it a lot faster.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 11:43:10 2015 No.2169168 >>2168701 Shut up, I'm drawing lines for a month now and I didn't get half of your improvement.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 11:43:36 2015 No.2169169 >>2169158 I think u are overthinking. just go to popular image site, search insect till u find good pic that shows all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 11:57:58 2015 No.2169189 File: 447 KB, 1000x1195, drawings_290715.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Noob here. Some new sketches, critique much appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 12:00:25 2015 No.2169191 >>2169158 Catch some real ones, how hard is it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 12:04:05 2015 No.2169193 >>2169169 The problem is more finding a pictures with its correct name that shows "how" things work. Trying to find a decent diagram on how ant feet work is especially daunting. >>2169191 Might have to buy a net, a magnifying glass and try it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 12:23:20 2015 No.2169212
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>>2169189
Flat, no construction, all hard lines, no trapezoids, wtf is going on with the ears, no one has teeth, one dudes mouth is floating, two have their noses flat against their face also their necks are just formless cylinders, dude with the glasses has them floating, tacked on hair with no definition, stop
drawing your lines like you made them with a ruler. Eh at least your lines are pretty good for a noob, 2/10

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 12:30:59 2015 No.2169214 >>2169212 Thanks for the critique.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 13:40:07 2015 No.2169298 >>2169212 Could you give any advice on how to make the head seem less "flat"? What exactly do you mean by "no trapezoids"?

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 13:49:28 2015 No.2169318
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>>2169298
Check out Hampton's video on head construction to get an idea of the volumes involved, then Vilppu's head videos for more in-depth explanations on features. Practice using these videos as a guide.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 14:16:24 2015 No.2169354 >>2169318 Hampton works in PS? Neat

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 14:19:18 2015 No.2169361
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>>2169298
Get your hands on vilppu, hampton and loomis books or video lectures but important thing in making things less flat is thinking in 3D and it will come
almost naturally draw on the form of the head, You actually got it right on the lower right guy with his right eyebrow. The way it curves obeys the contour of the head
and isn't just placed like all of the other features.

No trapezoids applies to the lower hand right guy and the upper left guy you need a smoother transition to shoulders it does not just cut in like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 14:29:33 2015 No.2169371 does anyone have some good painting tutorials? I know basic color theory and such but actually trying to paint something I end up with base colors and not really sure what to do with it afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 14:31:30 2015 No.2169374 >>2169371 Seen shaddy safadi? He has some good stuff on digital painting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 14:38:00 2015 No.2169381 >>2169318 got a link to that hampton head construction video in your pic?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 14:43:44 2015 No.2169387 >>2169381 That particular course is available on any torrent site just search Hampton figure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 14:54:48 2015 No.2169396 File: 300 KB, 3777x1297, dwarf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] noob here. will be glad for some constructive criticism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 14:57:39 2015 No.2169400 >>2169387 ah I thought the "figure" one would be at a higher level with just the gesture and body and such than just studying the head. getting this one now https://torrentz.eu/85199f1bb82f19cd7ac202881dd36e21954bc807

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:24:17 2015 No.2169445 File: 163 KB, 699x961, 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will push this idea further but am still hung up on simple things like hands and heads, cloth etc

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:27:25 2015 No.2169448
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Is it possible to color with pencils so that the color is at least mostly solid?
I really can't seem to get it so that there aren't a ton of little white specs or lighter spots throughout the color, no matter how well i make sure my lines don't overlap.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:43:54 2015 No.2169465 >>2169448 Go slowly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:24:19 2015 No.2169530 >do first serious value study ever on black and white photograph >something actually comes out of it fuck, I'm excited! I've always been shit at value! Now, with color is another business...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:26:45 2015 No.2169537 >>2169318 How about Proko or Loomis?

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:44:39 2015 No.2169637
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threads nearly over, this is how you should be looking at these dragon flys.

establish the perspective plane through the centre, break it down into its simplest shapes for the body, establish the perspective of the wings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:46:00 2015 No.2169640 >>2169637 Well sorry mister know it all.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:46:02 2015 No.2169641
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>>2169637
when I remove the photo youre left with that which is quite simple and clear depiction of it without too many lines or detail needed.

maybe that will help people who where afraid

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:47:04 2015 No.2169645 >>2169640 wasn't a criticism anon. I too am an idiot who cant draw.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:50:52 2015 No.2169651 >>2169637 what if I'm picturing them as boxes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:51:22 2015 No.2169653 >>2169637 you could simplify the wings and the tail more. think of the tail as just 1 long cylinder then break it up afterwards. similar the wings as giant ellipses (which they actually are) and blur them afterwards..

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:53:30 2015 No.2169654 in how much time you can lost the benefits of muscle memory if you don't practice? days? weeks? longer? I sometimes feel like I lost all my gains from exercises in hours.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:56:00 2015 No.2169658 >>2169654 I'm sure it varies, but no doubt anyone will lose some finesse if they go a week without drawing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:58:19 2015 No.2169660 >>2169651 like anon says >>2169653 whatever works for you, can be a simple as possible. its just to see it in its correct perspective, and not getting bogged down by all the detail.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:32:20 2015 No.2169698
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I'm doing this exercise for weeks but my lines aren't half good as the pic(reference image from drawabox). Should I go to the next lesson with what I've got or try until it gets better?

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:36:47 2015 No.2169706

>>2169698
If yourlines aren't improving you need to keep working, focus on slowing down if your lines diverge or speeding up if they wobble.

The idea is to nail it every time rather than just doing a whole heap of bent lines.

Move on if it's killing your enthusiasm and begin doing 15 minutes of lines and elipses as warm ups to drawing sessions from now on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:39:49 2015 No.2169709 >>2169706 they both diverge and wobble man. it's not killing my enthusiasm though

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:47:57 2015 No.2169717 >>2169709 get a ruler and draw first line then draw over eight times oreru

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:55:27 2015 No.2169724 File: 2.98 MB, 1833x956, shitty shit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] where do i even go. I obviously fucked up the sketch, should i just start over?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:58:15 2015 No.2169726 File: 407 KB, 732x382, shitty shit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2169724 fuck i forgot to resize. this is hopefully better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:01:02 2015 No.2169728 why everybody here using designer's route instead of artist's route even though the sticky says the reverse? I mean drawabox-Scott Robertson-Peter Han shit instead of Keys to Drawing and Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:02:28 2015 No.2169732 File: 315 KB, 1025x766, dragonfly.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2165199 A bit late

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:15:28 2015 No.2169745 File: 12 KB, 308x547, unnamed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So I just did the "drawn shit upside-down" thing and oh boy, what went wrong? Is it supposed to look bad? What was the point of this exercise?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:17:32 2015 No.2169748 >>2169745 blah blah symbol drawing blah blah right side of brain blah blah didn't you read the sticky?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:17:38 2015 No.2169749 >>2169745 no point draw box erry day and you'll become a pro someday

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:18:47 2015 No.2169750 File: 133 KB, 1920x1080, 1323729224006.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] New Bread? Already getting excited for the next challenge. No animals please.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:22:00 2015 No.2169751 >>2169750 >tfw all your friends are actually your rivals IRL because of employement man it's so sad to study a major like art, design or architecture I can shitpost because thread is above bump limit, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:25:56 2015 No.2169756 >>2169751 Well the art center in my uni is combined with actors and singers so I also make friends with them. Helps with the creativity too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:30:56 2015 No.2169762 >>2169756 It's architecture faculty for me. and design is an obscure profession in my country, that makes it only worse. so all I have are SCEM bros.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:31:57 2015 No.2169765 >>2169762 STEM*

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:52:20 2015 No.2169781 >>2169750 Im not going to be doing the next thread this time anon.. so either that beginner trip guy who was doing it before can do it or someone else can take the opportunity.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:55:32 2015 No.2169785

>>2169728
because no one understands how to use form.
so the last few threads were aimed at that.

>>2169745
to the guy who drew the upside down guy, ''whats the point''?
I don't know anon. just drawing something isn't a lesson. unless you've been taught how to see it/draw it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:58:32 2015 No.2169792 >>2169781 why so tsundere, OP-kun? >>2169785 ugh, shouldn't one start to use the form after getting rid of symbol drawing, learning fundamentals and doing a ton of practice? at least for the art school way.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:06:21 2015 No.2169799

>>2169792
I don't know, im not an expert on the subject.

my thinking is, how can someone draw a realistic box of they cant first draw the box in perspective.

I see people trying to render things when the basics are off.

re the thread, well there were only a handful of people doing it, , I don't think im connecting with what people want. seems they want to be drawing other things. might as well give someone else a turn.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:10:56 2015 No.2169803 >>2169318 >>2169361 Thanks for clarifying, really helpful

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:31:09 2015 No.2169813 File: 56 KB, 1224x692, ss+(2015-07-30+at+01.26.42).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Been doing "perspective made easy" There's something off with this one and I'm not too sure. Should I space the vanishing points further away? Eyeline lower?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:36:38 2015 No.2169818 >>2169813 perspective gets weird when your shapes gets close to vanishing points. like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:37:34 2015 No.2169819 >>2169818 alright i'll try and put them further away

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:40:09 2015 No.2169821 Begginner question,When I watch sketching videos I always see them go over the sketch with a black pencil, is that a china marker ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:48:28 2015 No.2169828 File: 172 KB, 1914x1018, shit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2169813

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:50:57 2015 No.2169830 >>2169828 Thanks. I thought i'd got the odd line wrong. I know the scale is wayyy off but i'm not too sure how to fix i'll try and do it again and post back

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:56:29 2015 No.2169836

>>2169830
that odd line is the least of your problems, main ones are your construction is weird and bed is ahead of the wall. you should first fully draw the wall and then add other furniture. tho I didn't read that book, so I don't know what is the exercise.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:03:47 2015 No.2169841 >>2169828 >not hitler done with loomis' style

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:06:12 2015 No.2169846
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>>2169836
Yeah i'm struggling with the room my brain is having a seizure

>>2169841
>loomis' style
I'll try next time. I don't really know what loomis' style is though as I only ever did "fun with a pencil" and I was just drawing goofy monopoly men all day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:08:11 2015 No.2169849 File: 162 KB, 1026x615, perspectivemadeeasy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2169836 >>2169846 Here's what I'm meant to be drawing I can't tell whether it's completely wrong or it's just my mind telling me that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:13:19 2015 No.2169853 >>2169849 oh boy did you even know where the A is? or what outward is?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:22:54 2015 No.2169859 File: 27 KB, 992x283, tooinward.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2169853 Yeeaah. Probably not outward enough?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:28:27 2015 No.2169865 File: 193 KB, 1914x1018, unforunately.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2169859 I think.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:37:55 2015 No.2169869 >>2169865 I traced the authors. Does such a small distance really make such a difference?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:38:27 2015 No.2169870 File: 36 KB, 1443x404, ss+(2015-07-30+at+02.37.02).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2169865 >>2169869 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:01:17 2015 No.2169898 >>2169870 yes, of course it does

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:04:07 2015 No.2169901
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>>2169898
I think I got the distance ok on this one but the object looks fucking retarded. (I know it should have been higher).

Did I at least get the vanishing points somewhat correct here?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:08:04 2015 No.2169904 >>2169901 it looks retarted because proportions are off and there are too many space between bed and wall. looks true technically tho

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:09:33 2015 No.2169906 >>2169904 Alright thanks for your help. I'll resume tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 23:31:46 2015 No.2169980 File: 891 KB, 2560x1536, 20150729_202946.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have a long way to go. Are community college classes a good a idea to speed up the process?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 23:40:47 2015 No.2169993 >>2169980 Generally speaking, no. Unless they do live drawing sessions. You can learn everything you need to know from home, it will also probably go much faster as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 23:50:56 2015 No.2170004 File: 1.14 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] D-doin' those e-exercises G-great!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 00:35:43 2015 No.2170025 So what exactly is symbol drawing? And how do I spot it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 02:12:19 2015 No.2170095 >>2169792 You get rid of symbol drawing by learning perspective

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 02:16:38 2015 No.2170096
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>>2165189
send help

the main issues i have is that I don't exactly know how to begin laying down values. i first set the canvas to a shade of grey i thought was closest to the background, then i did the same for my silhouette. after that point though, i kind of just picked at the largest general areas of colors i saw and tried to translate them to grey. i can't seem to get the general lighting down at the start, and i know that's important. what's frustrating is i thought the sketch was at least ok.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 02:37:03 2015 No.2170106

i got to the coloring section in bettys book and feel like i haven't advanced enough to continue. my values are shit, and my ability to draw lines that I want / see on the first try are shit. i spend a lot of time erasing and drawing lines over and over again. do i power through or supplement with some other exercises / resources?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 02:38:57 2015 No.2170109 File: 269 KB, 1280x720, Dragon fly.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2170106 i drew a dragon fly to go with this post but it keeps saying the captcha is wrong if i attach a photo

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 03:55:26 2015 No.2170146

In order to improve how long AND how much should you draw a day? I heard to 2 hours is the minimum, but what does /ic/ try to draw in in 2 hours? Been practicing construction and anatomy for 3 months now, and I have a problem, I can spend 2 whole hours doing nothing but copying/studying anatomy, then only getting like 3-5 reference drawings out, and then maybe one from imagination. i Guess I should be doing gesture, but how do I learn construction, anatomy, as well as rending from gesture? Its like its some balance between drawing fast and adding necessary detail.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 04:32:09 2015 No.2170160 File: 38 KB, 388x464, 5121caf271e9cf1fc20b956dce38a113.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] stupid question, but i'm learning proportion and idk if this is in proportion? any tips for someone starting out with poses?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:16:59 2015 No.2170182 >>2170160 legs are a bit long, arms are a bit short

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:52:55 2015 No.2170227 File: 1.97 MB, 2400x3000, 1432343524524.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2170160 Draw from references first to get a feeling for the proportions

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:29:49 2015 No.2170284

>>2170025
Beginner here so take what I say with some skepticism. I'm pretty sure symbol drawing is where you draw what you think you see rather than what you actually see. Your brain sees a combination of lines and recognises it as a familiar object much like you see a symbol. Drawing things as you imagine they look rather than how they actually look.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:19:55 2015 No.2170346 >>2170146 Practice drawing without any references and apply what you have learned.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:33:08 2015 No.2170395 okay I did one more thread cos no one else has. NEW THREAD >>2170391 >>2170391 >>2170391

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:23:37 2015 No.2170885 >>2170182 >>2170227 thanks i heard that sticking to references is bad, seems i've been mislead

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 03:20:48 2015 No.2172713 >>2165760 >draw a box (dot com) just link the fucking thing dude. http://drawabox.com/

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 03:38:20 2015 No.2172720 >>2170004 Why are you all doing this stupid shit? You need milage not attention to the finest detail. Line work will come but only if you actually fucking draw. Stop wasting your time.

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