Beginner thread

[Anonymous No.2155666]

Old thread: >>2148429

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

Do not forget to resize and crop your images before uploading them. This increases your chance of getting help and criticism.

Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," consult this link:
http://irishopp.hubpages.com/hub/how-to-draw-learn
If your question is related to Loomis perhaps you should consult this link as well.

This thread's study is a shark.

Threadly reminder to avoid carpal tunnel:
http://www.healthline.com/health/carpal-tunnel-wrist-exercises

[Anonymous No.2155668]

Noob from last thread here. Did some more studies using photos as reference. Critique is very appreciated.

[Anonymous No.2155670]

>>2155668
Looks flat, no depth. Only good one is bottom right.

[Anonymous No.2155673]

>>2155670
Thx, I'll work on it.

[Anonymous No.2155683]

Bah.
Back to hands.
Sorry for shitty pic.

[Anonymous No.2155690]

guys how do you choose what to draw?
I want to become good at drawing, but I don't really have in goals as in what to draw, I'm drawing digitally so I can't take my papers out and just draw what I see, so do you just draw something totally random? I don't enjoy drawing humans and human anatomy over and over again

[Anonymous No.2155694]

how can I give my faces more depth and make them not look boring

[Anonymous No.2155697]

>>2155694
have you tried coloring them?

[Anonymous No.2155702]

>>2155697
not really but I kinda just want to get the drawing down first

[Anonymous No.2155715]

Do i ALWAYS have to draw a circle when i want to draw a face/head?
Feels like i can draw a head using my own knowledge but whenever i use the loomis technique it just turns shitty

[Anonymous No.2155732]

i have a question about erasers for graphite pencils. i read somewhere , i forgot where that pink erasers will destroy your artwork or paper or something like that? and that white erasers are better? is it because pink erasers shed alot? i have one and its annoying as fuck but i dont think its ruining anything. im going out to buy a white one because my pink one is getting really small, any brands you guys recommend?

[Anonymous No.2155735]

>>2155732
Just get a kneaded eraser.

[Anonymous No.2155737]

>>2155668
It looks like you are just copying contours. You will hardly learn anything doing that. Try tot draw forms, not lines.

[Anonymous No.2155742]

i'm very much a beginner, is there any advice that can be given from this sketch? Thanks!

[Anonymous No.2155745]

I'm really struggling with the concept of symbolic drawing and overcoming it. Should I use different values to differentiate between spaces instead of lines? I think I understand the idea of drawing something exactly as it is in real life but I cannot escape symbolism in practice.

[Anonymous No.2155764]

>>2155742
Don't just fill in the shadows, crosshatch. Be mindful of proportions, measure things compared to each other. For example the right flap and the right side of the head are almost aligned where in the reference the right flap is more to the center. Learn how to represent values properly. For example under the mouth of the shark there is a little bright spot but you just left it completely white while in the reference it's slightly brighter then the rest of the shark. There is a long way to go anon but keep going at it.

[Anonymous No.2155765]

>>2155745
give me your skype and I can help you out

[Anonymous No.2155774]

>>2155764
alrighty thank you very much friend!

[Anonymous No.2155784]

>>2155737
Not him, but can you explain the difference between form and contours?

[Anonymous No.2155791]

>>2155784
cotours are the way that you view the person in your memory well form is how your eyes sees s\them in the most basic way

[Anonymous No.2155792]

>>2155784
Literally google, nigga. You already made me reply so mind as well tell you. Drawing form means thinking in 3D and using construction to make your drawings. Contours means you're just drawing the outline without thinking about volume/3D.

[Anonymous No.2155808]

>>2155742
the thing about this is being able to see it as a 3 dimensional form.

it has a back, it has a fin, it has volume. it has a shape. its not a flat object.

[Anonymous No.2155809]

>>2155715
You can use a cube for a base. But I'm still shit so take that with a grain of salt. See Bridgman for stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.2155810]

>>2155735
i already have a bunch. im just talking about pink and white erasers. kneaded erasers suck when it comes to erasing bulk drawings. like when i mess up on a big part and i need to erase a large area. also i need a harder and sharper egde sometimes that kneaded erasers dont really work because they bend or they wont erase the area completely

[Anonymous No.2155814]

>>2155792
Sorry, man. I tried googling form vs contour, but it didn't help any. Thank you for explaining it.

>>2155791
This kind of makes sense.

So what could that guy do to fix his faces? Detail more smaller facial features and then shade it?

[Anonymous No.2155815]

>>2155810
I've had no problem with white, high-polymer erasers.

[Anonymous No.2155824]

>>2155808
okay thanks anon! i will have to remember to keep that in mind for my drawings. only started drawing this week but you guys have already helped a lot and help put things into perspective.

[Anonymous No.2155831]

>>2155814
> I tried googling form vs contour, but it didn't help any.

And now you're pissing me off for not knowing how google works. I can already smell your age.

K, that's enough bully.

Go read the literature (and do the exercises) in the sticky and then come back asking questions about what you don't understand.

[Anonymous No.2155839]

>>2155808
would you recommend drawing a wire frame of sorts when initially starting the figure to get a feel for the skeleton/form? or break it up into shapes/forms and go from there?

[Anonymous No.2155851]

>>2155839
erh... im not a gud drawer I only know how to see things, I think it depends whose method you follow.
eg this is peter hans fish from dynamic sketching series.

I think having a centre line defiantly helps. so you can establish the perspective vanishing point, then you can work out the correct placement of everything else.

just do this lightly. then you can concentrate on drawing a photorealistic shark over the top.

its more a case of this is what you should be doing in your head, but its okay to do it on paper till it comes naturally.

[Anonymous No.2155852]

[Anonymous No.2155854]

>>2155852
b...but that's not what youre seeing.
whatever makes you happy I guess,
I think that's too rigid a method for something organic.

[Anonymous No.2155855]

>>2155851
okay thanks a lot m8y!

[Anonymous No.2155858]

>>2155854
well I don't know better methods of something organic

[Anonymous No.2155864]

>>2155852
Looks like someone's been reading Scott Robertson

[Anonymous No.2155868]

>>2155858
well the centre line of something organics its spine.

the line can be bendy, its only about which direction its generally pointing in that helps you understand its perspective.

its not the easiest thing, it is a challenge.
your end shark is actually okay.

[Anonymous No.2155869]

>>2155864
well let's pretend it's sharkmobile

[Anonymous No.2155877]

>>2155868
meaning it's working like a spline?
spine-spline? gesture-spline-spine-shine?
makes more sense thanks

[Anonymous No.2155915]

>>2155877
erh um yea something like that.
its given you all your perspective information.
you haven't need to set up something complicated to do it.

meh, my planes off, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.2155993]

>>2155715
Sounds like you're using a symbol to "draw" the head, which is why it's easier.

Loomis teaches construction, if it looks shitty then you probably have trouble drawing shapes.

[Anonymous No.2156002]

[Anonymous No.2156003]

>>2156002
Any advice at all? My perspective game is weak, so subsequently, all my shit is weak.

[Anonymous No.2156006]

>>2156003
same problem as me, are you reading the scott Robertson?

[Anonymous No.2156008]

>>2156006
Yeah, working on it. Finished Perspective made easy, though. Do you know my problem though? I'm working on just application, but I can't figure out where the kink is.

[Anonymous No.2156038]

>>2156008
erm.. this is a bit like the blind leading the blind tbh.

what can you do and what cant you do?

youre doing a lot on one page but lets establish where youre going wrong.

the first exercise should have been one point perspective.

you did that in the bottom of page one.

maybe just try drawing some more things in 1point for now till you know you have that down.

like pic related

[Anonymous No.2156063]

>>2156038
Nah, I think it's better when two people are on the same level, it seems like there's more of a back and forth than a one sided thing. Then again, neither are very good, so i'm full of shit...

ANYWAY, I think that one point is actually harder than two point, it's much easier for it to distort in one point than two. The cone of vision for one point is much more vague and harder to gain control of, at least for me. Two point, it's just the two VPs are the edges of the COV.

[Anonymous No.2156111]

[Anonymous No.2156130]

>>2156111
what's that in the background?

[Anonymous No.2156138]

what's the secret to making cute girls?

i was screwing around in a /co/ thread where they were making their own superhero and i realized i couldn't make the girl sidekick cute, yet still minimalist like the guy on the left.

also shes wearing a poncho, no she's not armless. i couldnt draw arms either.

[MQ No.2156152]

Hi guys, i'm an absolute begginer and today i bought some paper and charcoals (i think thats what they're called haha) so that I can begin drawing. Right now this is the first thing that i'm drawing and i'm happy with the shape of my drawing. What i dont know what to do now is how to properly shade my drawing. Any tips for absolute beginers?

[Anonymous No.2156156]

>>2156152
dont be afraid to fail or you will progress really slowly. dont make "masterpieces" just practice. as for shading, draw what you see. pay attention to the soft transition of the shadow on the left, the diffusion of the holder thingy of the cup (it reflects the light on the shadowy area making that lighter).
also see that small spot of light on the inside of the cup? you will leave that as the only white spot on your image. everything will be darker. yes, reserve the entire "white color" for that little spot.

[MQ No.2156160]

>>2156156
Huh, thanks for the tips, ill keep some of these in mind. Im just holding the cup in the picture for reference, i actually have it on a table in front of me, but I see what you mean about the white spot. Thanks a lot

[Anonymous No.2156177]

>>2156160
Also what helps with shadow stuff if you're having trouble is squint your eyes to simplify where the shapes of the shadows are.

[Anonymous No.2156182]

how do i stop treasuring my work? i feel too attached to anything i do thats the tiniest bit less shitty than the usual shit i draw.

[Anonymous No.2156183]

>>2156182
I usually obsess over imperfections and then rip it apart in a fit of autistic rage, if that helps

[Anonymous No.2156187]

>>2156183
dont get me wrong, i see the imperfections and how terrible it is, thats why i want to avoid treasuring it - because it sucks

[Anonymous No.2156199]

>>2156187
Keep drawing, as you produce more and more you'll start getting sick of your old stuff and no longer treasure it.

[Anonymous No.2156220]

>>2155852
It's good that you're trying to think in 3d and put the shark in perspective, but you might want to look at more reference images than the op before doing that. You got quite a few of the details wrong, like how the fins attach to the body, the eyes, the number of gills, etc.

[Anonymous No.2156221]

>>2155831
Noob from original post here, which literature would you recommend in particular?

[Anonymous No.2156255]

Spent maybe 45 to an hour on this. I want to learn human anatomy as well proper sketching techniques. Im starting to teach myself but would love for any critique

[Anonymous No.2156259]

>>2156255
female torso too. Her arm is too small and I did rush this one a bit I feel

[Anonymous No.2156273]

>>2156255
>>2156259
Normally the hatching and even the anatomical features should help to describe the form which you seem to be doing in some places but overall your drawings are too flat.
Hampton does exactly that, so if you have to study someone it's him.
Don't forget to apply perspective even when studying the body.
Your proportions are quite good though so I assume you already have some kind of knowledge on anatomy. If not you did a good job on that.

[Anonymous No.2156290]

>>2155666
I tried

[Anonymous No.2156299]

>>2156130
file cabinet

[Anonymous No.2156314]

What are the pros and cons of having a physical copy of a book and a downloaded version? Im distracted by internet less with a physical copy, but its annoying keeping the page still.

[Anonymous No.2156334]

>>2156220
you're right, I try to scan it's landmarks with OP reference but looks like I fail even on it's body. gills are placed randomly and now that I see damn man well they are fucking off position and they don't even look like gills.

biggest problem I've encountered so far in this kind of study is proper scanning proportions from twisted and foreshortened object, like shark in OP, it's twisted and distorted by water, lens, it's position. all formal measures fail at this point because I don't know how to measure distorted objects.

[Anonymous No.2156356]

>>2156273
thankyou, this helps me alot.
Ive started to see the hatching technique and am trying to start working on that. Thankyou for the artist reference. Im not used to holding the pencil like this artist would of to illustrate that, something ill try as well.

[Anonymous No.2156404]

>>2156290
its not bad, everyone seems to have missed the fin on the back tho. it is visible if you look.

[Anonymous No.2156414]

>>2155666
you guys ever draw something you where satisfied with and cant seem to replicate how you drew it.....

[Anonymous No.2156422]

I'm a beginner, but I'm not posting my pic, just know I did draw the shark, and thanks for the practice.

[Anonymous No.2156463]

more shark study
for fucks sake why proportion is so hard

[Anonymous No.2156466]

>>2156255
Funnily enough I see those exact 2 references a while ago. Spent like 1 minute on each one though is yours are much better put together.

[Anonymous No.2156467]

>>2156466
>see = drew
>is = so

sorry, typing on phone.

[Anonymous No.2156487]

Are my gesture studies going smoothly? Trying my hardest to avoid horse anatomy.

[Anonymous No.2156589]

>>2155690
anybody? please?

[Anonymous No.2156611]

>>2156589
if you don't enjoy drawing meatbags, draw hard surface sci-fi stuff
or environments
or animals
or whatever you like
just draw

[Anonymous No.2156717]

i heard that drawing with your shoulder instead of wrist gives you straighter lines but it feels less precise and my lines are still not clean

[Anonymous No.2156723]

>>2156717
Its a lie tbh. I had the same problems and found that I drew 100x better with my wrist.

[Anonymous No.2156759]

There's my last work, any C/C anon ?

[Anonymous No.2156762]

>>2156759
Much better, Bro. Really like it.

[Anonymous No.2156784]

>>2156759
nice man, your brush work is really hard to look at though, i think it might just be the type of brush you're using. Also fanart<any other art (inc gay furry porn).

[Anonymous No.2156801]

I haven't painted a background like this before. As in most have just been super simple if not non existent.

[Anonymous No.2156818]

>>2156762
thx buddy
>>2156784
yup, i generaly paint with the same square brush, should learn to don't stick to it
>>2156801
try to don't zoom in the begining, go for a raw things at first, you should avoid the aerograph brush or thoses kinda soft brushes, they are only goods in little touch

[Anonymous No.2156849]

what do you guys think?

more on my instagram - @buttercupface

[Anonymous No.2156855]

How do you mix in photoshop? To make soft transition between values. I'd like to yoink outta perspective train for a moment and try value-shaping.

[Anonymous No.2156891]

i posted this before but i only got one reply which was of my drawing with a pepe head shopped over it (not that i didn't appreciate it tho)

i'm looking for critique as to how to render this bastard, everything below the head just looks sort of muddy and half assed but i've painted over it a million times and i'm stuck. i know i'm polishing a turd but i'm doing it for a pal and i'd like to finish it. i feel like there might be some obvious things i could do that i'm missing.

[Anonymous No.2156895]

>>2156849
is that a cat? i like it. would be a sweet reference to do a stick and poke from, pointillism works great with that

[Anonymous No.2156901]

>>2156273
fuck me sideways this looks so nice and smooth

[Anonymous No.2156906]

>>2156891
he needs a base shadow, needs harder highlights so crate a glossy surface.
skin needs more bubbly texture I think.

[Anonymous No.2156910]

>>2156906
>harder highlights
i tried and failed. i'll keep trying. maybe i'll just drop it at some point though, my understanding of light is still severly lacking.

thanks for the advice!

[Anonymous No.2156957]

[Anonymous No.2156992]

>>2156891
>>2156891
You'd be lucky to even get one response. Some Anons don't even get any responses from this thread even if they ask once.

That said, I saved tour pepe because its cute.

[Anonymous No.2157012]

Gonna star learning lighting. The book says to draw this as an exercise. Will a 2B pencil be ok or will I need other stuff?

[Anonymous No.2157034]

So I'm going through vilppu's drawing manual and the anatomy section is fucking my shit up. Is it supposed to at first? I've read most of perspective made easy and decided to go ahead and read vilppu since I've heard that learning multiple things at once is good. Am I supposed to read anything before vilppu? Please don't say loomis because I can not stand his style and teaching method.

[Anonymous No.2157038]

>>2157034
Burne Hogarth.

[Anonymous No.2157050]

>>2157038
He has several books on anatomy. Which one is best to tackle first?

[Anonymous No.2157064]

>>2157050
His first anatomy book. I'd recommend Bridgeman after.

[Anonymous No.2157081]

>>2157064
Got his Dynamic Anatomy. Looks great. Thanks for that. As for Bridgeman, which book should be next?

[Anonymous No.2157098]

My friend gave me paint tool sai. I figured out how it works but using a mouse to draw feels hard.so what are some good sturdy digital pads for a nice reasonable price ? I like the digital feel as oppose to good ol pencil and paper ,I wanna expand on this and widen my horizons in art . Can I get some help ?

[Anonymous No.2157123]

Hi guys this is a doodle that I did a month ago, just before I started going on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.2157126]

>>2157123
I did this a few days ago. Sorry if the first image looks unclear. Do you guys see any improvement? Things I need to work on? These 2 drawings were done around a month apart

[Anonymous No.2157127]

>>2155854
>b...but that's not what youre seeing.

Studies don't need to be "copy exactly what you're looking at." They're meant to try and examine and understand something.

[Anonymous No.2157129]

>>2157126
Fuck me it came out sideways

[Anonymous No.2157141]

Am I the only one that gets very pissed off when I cant draw? It feels like I am about to punch the fuck out of my monitor trying to draw this fucking shark.

[Anonymous No.2157145]

>>2157126
Stop copying anime.

[Anonymous No.2157146]

>>2157141
I used to get pissed off when I fucked up drawing too. Just try not to give a fuck and have fun. Play some chill music or some thing.

[Anonymous No.2157147]

>>2157126
>>2157145
This. You'll learn nothing from it.

[Anonymous No.2157150]

>>2157146
This shark is going to give me a stroke.

[Anonymous No.2157152]

>>2157150

You could try it from different angles.

[Anonymous No.2157153]

>>2157145
>>2157147
But I like drawing animu waifus :(

Not doubting you both but what about it doesn't allow me to improve?

[Anonymous No.2157154]

>>2157150
You'll be fine. Just keep at it and know that you're getting better every second you draw that shark.

[Anonymous No.2157160]

>>2157153
You don't learn actual anatomy when drawing animu. Not to mention that drawing animu allows you to be lazy and draw features minimally (like a line for a nose) instead of learning how to draw humans. In addition to that, you're not learning how to see things in 3D space and construct using forms. You'd benefit a lot more from doing studies of RL people and then stylizing.

[Anonymous No.2157164]

>>2157153
You are not thinking you are just copying you are not problem solving and you are basically trying to give an answer to an problem but the answer don't matter in this case it is how you get to the answer.

[Anonymous No.2157166]

>>2157153
Start from scratch and study the basics
Shapes
Shading
Perspective
Anatomy
All that fancy junk and work your way back to anime. Practice drawing other things to strengthen your basic skills

[Anonymous No.2157169]

>>2157160
>>2157164
>>2157166
Hmm that makes a lot of sense thanks for the input!

[Anonymous No.2157171]

>>2157169
Don't rush things, the first thing I learned was that it's not gonna happen so fast like magic, it's takes time and dedication. Don't give up and work hard my friend

[Anonymous No.2157173]

[Anonymous No.2157180]

procrastinating hard

[Anonymous No.2157252]

>>2157173
nice shape breakdown.
cute sharks

[Anonymous No.2157294]

1/2

[Anonymous No.2157295]

>>2157294
2/2
Some advice?

[Anonymous No.2157298]

>>2157295
a smaller image size would be nice.
your proportions are also way off. study how big the major parts of the body are in relation to each other.

[Anonymous No.2157301]

>>2157180
nice job. Study like this and you're gon' git gud

[Anonymous No.2157302]

>>2156611
I've never drawn anything sci-fi, but I'll try, thanks

[Anonymous No.2157304]

>>2157294
>>2157295
Learn how to use the head measuring system to get a hang at proportions like anon said.

[Anonymous No.2157477]

how is this?

[Anonymous No.2157482]

>>2157477
Tracing is a terrible way to learn how to draw.

[Anonymous No.2157494]

>>2157482
i didnt trace asshole

[Anonymous No.2157495]

>>2157482
>>2157494
i did photobash the plant though

[Anonymous No.2157506]

>>2157494
if you didn't trace it then you obviously copied which is not the best way to learn how to draw too
hear anthony jones on this matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kfK46nruKM

[Anonymous No.2157508]

I'd ask if you had any tips on gettin' gud. But the answer is probably just "draw more" lol

[Anonymous No.2157509]

>>2157506
so fucking in other words, it fucking looks just like her?

[Anonymous No.2157524]

>>2157508

[Anonymous No.2157528]

>>2157508
it is, your line work is absolute shit. even on a platform where you can just undo every mistake you still manage to fuck it up

so focus on improving your linework before jumping on more complex drawings like "x-rays"

[Anonymous No.2157533]

>>2157509
not really, theres is something off about her eyes/eyebrows that make her look like someone else. and her nose isnt that crooked, theres something funky going on with the shadows

[Anonymous No.2157552]

i guess its my first concept character, no he doesn't hold longe stick of poo. Any critique for beginner?

[Anonymous No.2157555]

>>2157552
looks pretty bland. is that his underwear? guess the dildo hes holding makes sense if so

[Anonymous No.2157559]

>>2157555
yeah I just redraw him and add some details. Remove dildo is also good idea.

[Anonymous No.2157592]

>>2157552
deltoids are fucked, anatomy is fucked overall tho
the nose bothers me a bit

[Anonymous No.2157593]

This is my first attempt at drawing a "landscape" "cave"

Thoughts?

I still have no idea what to do with the middle of it, maybe some ideas or tips?

[Anonymous No.2157601]

>>2157528
I guess I should keep doing this then? Try to fill up three or four pages like this a day maybe?

[Anonymous No.2157605]

>>2157601
Start doing this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

[Anonymous No.2157617]

>>2157605
Thanks! I've been looking for good tutorials but couldn't really find any.

[Anonymous No.2157625]

>>2155666
10 minutes.
Good pic, OP. Excellent construction practice.

[Anonymous No.2157645]

>>2157509

You sure fucking love to fucking shove swear fucking words in fucking everything, don't fucking you asshole?

[Anonymous No.2157652]

>>2157605
not this autistic shit again..

[Anonymous No.2157658]

>>2157652
And your better suggestion is...?

[Anonymous No.2157664]

>>2157625
another one who missed the top fin.

that's cos im not the regular op. but I wouldn't mind being, it is difficult to chose pics tho.

any suggestions for things people want to see in future OP pics?
so I can get a feel for what people enjoy drawing?

[Anonymous No.2157673]

>>2157658
Just draw. gestures, forms, whatever, as long as you use broad strokes. use your arm instead of wrist.
doing circles and vertical lines everyday for practice doesn't get you anywhere.

[Anonymous No.2157674]

>>2157664
well at least your ref teaches to find more refs on study subject

[Anonymous No.2157683]

>>2157673
It seems like the overall answer is just to draw, as much as you personally can. Draw draw draw, anything and everything. Right?

[Anonymous No.2157695]

>>2157683
Dont just draw. draw while trying to avoid chicken scratching, as other anon said with broad strokes and using your arm instead of your wrist. even if the drawing comes out like shit it doesnt matter, just keep drawing with confident lines.


I personally prefer to draw from life without ever looking at the paper and without lifting the pen from it. it really helps you improve your concentration. the first dozen drawings will come out absolutely fucking terrible but its alright. when you can actualy "close" the figure you are drawing its a sign you are improving.

[Anonymous No.2157698]

Any advice before getting into digital? I'm getting a small Intuos to jump into digital next month if everything goes as keikaku. Is there anything a tablet beginner should know to take advantage of the medium, or maybe to avoid extreme pain on the first weeks, or perhaps things I should do with my internet drawings once I'm able to start posting them? any advice related to the digital art, from how to take care of the tablet to how to become the ultimate god of modern art, I don't know, just storm me with anything and everything you've got guys.

TL;DR getting a tablet soon, wat do?

[Anonymous No.2157699]

>>2155869
underrated

[Anonymous No.2157702]

>>2157601
I don't understand why I'm doing this either. I don't even know what I'm supposed to do when it comes to perspective, what to create or anything.

Just what kind of exercises am I supposed to do?!

[Anonymous No.2157705]

>>2157698
sticky

[Anonymous No.2157708]

>>2157702
have you read the sticky?
http://irishopp.hubpages.com/hub/how-to-draw-learn

perspective is something you have to understand first, you cant just do exercises about it expecting to improve. so read the book or something

[Anonymous No.2157712]

>>2157705
Fucking hell you're right, I forgot the good old sticky was a thing. I can't remember the last time I read it, but I should've started looking for answers there, it's so painfully obvious. Thanks anon! Still, any personal advice you guys might want to share is appreciated.

[Anonymous No.2157737]

>>2157708
Perspective isn't even that hard to understand, the problem is trying to apply the damn thing on a piece of paper which is flat.

I've been checking Perspective Made Easy so far, nothing troubling me yet half-way through.

[Anonymous No.2157742]

>>2157737
>Perspective isn't even that hard to understand
its not, and once you do you apply the same formula to every situation

>the problem is trying to apply the damn thing on a piece of paper which is flat.
then you havent understood it you dingus

[Anonymous No.2157772]

>>2157742
I'm doing olson now and damn man, it looks like black magics

[Anonymous No.2157778]

>>2157772
I am olson, haven even got through the introduction folder yet

[Anonymous No.2157783]

>>2157778
He's really good.

[Anonymous No.2157797]

>>2157783
yea its very in depth, im hoping ill have a good understanding of perspective by the end.

[Anonymous No.2157799]

>>2157772
Those top two cubes don't seem to have equal sides to me.
Like, I understand that technically they're correct, because of the 45° vanishing point, but it doesn't look right at all. Is it because they're not in the cone of vision? Are they? I can't tell on my phone.

[Anonymous No.2157831]

This thread's theme is sharks? Nice. I'll be sure to contribute tomorrow.

Here's a study I did that I had to contrast through photoshop to hell and back.
>tfw no scanner
>tfw terrible camera that won't auto-focus
It was a bit embarrassing to upload this, but it's the best I could do.

[Anonymous No.2157915]

>>2157772
>olson

Where can I find olson's tutorials?

[Anonymous No.2157916]

i done some things

[Anonymous No.2157922]

>>2157915
cg peers.. I know its on there buit its a huge download. bout 100gb.

[Anonymous No.2157924]

>>2157922
I don't know why I keep forgetting to check CG peers. Thanks for the heads up.

[Anonymous No.2157929]

>>2155666

[Anonymous No.2157933]

>>2155666
nice trips

[Anonymous No.2157935]

>keep getting told you shouldn't do perspective with a ruler
>everybody does it
I don't know anymore.

[Anonymous No.2157944]

>>2157935
rulers and protractors are essential to learning 3d.
also mechanical drawing.

but sketching, you should be able to do it without. its not expected straight away. but that's the goal once you know how to perspective.

[Anonymous No.2157949]

>>2157944
* essential to learning perspective.

[Anonymous No.2158019]

>>2157799
I found SP CV and CoV and yeah it seems that right box slightly out of cone. Dunno. Red side's depth is chosen randomly. Blue side should match it because of 45 cantrip. Perhaps even this break of distortion boundary is enough to distort it this badly.

[Anonymous No.2158052]

Can anyone share their notes where olson draws that theater play thing? That's where I got confused and stopped. The part where he says there is like a camera on your right and shit.

[Anonymous No.2158089]

I think that there's something wrong with her legs, but I'm not sure how to fix it.

Does it look wrong to you?
Any tips on fixing her?
Redlines please?

[Anonymous No.2158115]

>>2157064
>His first anatomy book

Dynamic Anatomy seems like a lot of reading. When do the exercises begin?

[Anonymous No.2158120]

>>2158089
Her left foot is completly out of place as in if ti actually was in that position her ankle would be broken. Also the right one isn't grounded properly

[Anonymous No.2158136]

I'm starting to get tunnelvision. Any suggestions/obvious flaws?

[Anonymous No.2158144]

>>2157916

The little bit of shading you've done seems really arbitrary. Did you decide what direction you wanted the light to come from?

[Anonymous No.2158159]

>>2157698

Almost everyone I've seen speaking on the subject has said "don't get the small, it's too small."

I suggest you save for a medium at least.
Also, bear in mind that wacom did some bullshit rebranding and their new Intuos (pic related) is basically a bamboo. It's not what most people are talking about in regards to an intuos. Pic related is 1024 pressure, while the intuos pro has 2048.

Do your research before you buy one. I'd suggest just saving for an Intuos pro or something if you're reasonably confident you'll stick with it. I've been using a bamboo create which is fine but I wish I'd gotten one with better sensitivity.

[Anonymous No.2158174]

>>2158136
The head dress is floating and the head is flatter than a penny that was left under a steamroller not to eaven mention that all of the features are fucked too. You should try to learn construction of the face, Hampton and Vilppu both are good.

[Anonymous No.2158179]

>>2156855
Ctrl+Paint my friend.

[Anonymous No.2158190]

>>2158136
Well the face is a bit odd dude. The jaw has a weird edge to the left, the nose is pointing to the right, and the values are kinda all over. Helmet seems a bit askew to like it was put on oddly. But the rendering of it is pretty good, i suggest laying down a perspective grid so you can fix the helmet weirdness and maybe use a reference of a face to figure out whats up. Oh and find a light source. But keeping going bro.

[Anonymous No.2158195]

>>2158190
i think thats a mask

[Anonymous No.2158197]

Has anyone ever tried those art academy games on nintendo? How are they?

[Anonymous No.2158200]

I think I have this REALLY big issue with drawing contours. It's like when I'm drawing something, I'll be "tracing" images in my head rather than constructing them off of a foundation. I tried my best to not just "trace" the shark, but any help or tips would be greatly appreciated... I would love to be able to draw dynamic poses really well.

[Anonymous No.2158211]

[Anonymous No.2158225]

>>2158159
Yeah, I know the difference between Intuos and Pro. I draw on small papers more than I do on big ones, and my screen isn't insanely big either. Should I still get an Intuos Medium? because I don't think I would regret starting with the Small. Also, how important is the pressure? I've read 1024 or more is what you should have if possible, and the Intuos has those 1024, but so far I haven't seen artworks that show the striking difference between drawing with 1024 and drawing with 2048. Is there anywhere I can see this difference?

[Anonymous No.2158235]

>>2158225
I just bought an Intuos Medium two days ago. I use a 24" monitor, and I think the Intuos Small would be way too small. Unless you're on a laptop, I recommand you a Medium one.

[Anonymous No.2158242]

>>2158174
>>2158190

Thanks for the tips, now that you mention it the face does look a little odd.

Though I should note that it's a silver face mask, which is why I went for lighter values, to make it look shiny.

[Anonymous No.2158246]

>>2158235
Mine's 20'', am I going to be okay with the Intuos Small, anon-senpai?

[Anonymous No.2158252]

>>2158246
I'm a beginner, so I'm not sure myself.
On my 15.6" laptop, it doesn't seem too weird. If you have the money, I'd go with an Intuos Medium.

[Anonymous No.2158259]

>>2158252
Well, since I'm not from Murica the Intuos Small (pen only, not pen & touch) is at what would be 160 american dollars. The Intuos Medium is at around 430 fucking dollars. If there was a medium sized Intuos Pen Only, I'd probably get that, since I don't care about the Touch part, but there's not. So the gap between my two lowest options is pretty painful, not sure I can afford that. Do you think those 270 extra $ will be worth it? and by "you" I mean everyone here, your help is needed.

[Anonymous No.2158272]

>>2158259
430$? Where are you from?
I'm not from Murica, and the Intuos Medium is at 160€ here, I got it for 120€ during the Amazon Prime Day.
Bear in mind that the Pen Only doesn't have an eraser.

If you are low on budget but want a medium one, you can get Wacom One Medium or whatever it is called. It's like a Bamboo without Expresskeys I think.

[Anonymous No.2158278]

>>2158200
well the size your drawing at is defiantly an issue. you could have turned your paper sideways for a bigger area.
also get some printer paper. fricken lined paper.

I think for you, maybe worry less about construction and just try ''drawing what you see''

[Anonymous No.2158293]

>>2158272
He's probably from Russia
Intuos M in my town worth 530$.
Yes, bruh, our real average salary is less than 360$, but our prices is biggest than yours

[Anonymous No.2158310]

>>2158272
>Bear in mind that the Pen Only doesn't have an eraser.

Does anybody actually use the eraser? I always found it way quicker and easier to hit E than to turn my pen around.

[Anonymous No.2158319]

>>2155666
How are my gestures?
Also how is my unfinished drawing of a grill.

[Anonymous No.2158322]

>>2156138
cute tends to be achieved through using baby-like proportions. large and wide set eyes, small noses, large foreheads and an underdeveloped mandible for example. Doing simplified caricatures can in some ways be more difficult as each detail ends up having more impact on the drawing. If your mouth is just a line, then it has to be perfectly placed and perfectly shaped in order to convey a structure as complex as a mouth. My advice would be to do studies of actual children and babies before trying to establish some sort of style.

also be careful using the word minimalism, as it refers to a very specific time in art history and tends to not mean what people think it means.

[Anonymous No.2158325]

how's my horse. i made my own thread with it and people called it a hippo cuz it doesn't have a mane.

[Anonymous No.2158334]

>>2158325
Looks more like a cow than a horse

[Anonymous No.2158343]

>>2158319
grill drawing is pretty mediocre, the bottom left set of figures is lovely though,

[Anonymous No.2158363]

>>2158325
its still a pretty cute hippo man

[Anonymous No.2158408]

What's a good book that has a lot of exercises to study anatomy? I'd like a book filled with all kinds of anatomy figures that you're supposed to draw in order to get a stronger idea on how it works.

[Anonymous No.2158409]

>>2156463
do you feel you benefit from all those lines and letters or do you do it just to feel productive? Reminds me of when folks study muscle structures and for whatever reason will waste time labeling everything in latin as if it has any benefit to their understanding of the form.

[Anonymous No.2158447]

>>2158272
>>2158293
South america, actually. Particularly in my country the only options from official distributors are Intuos Pen Small, Intuos Pen & Touch (S and M), Intuos Pro (also S and M) and then we get into rare Cintiq territory. I would gladly buy it from amazon if it wasn't for the fact that there's a high risk of getting your imported buy retained when entering the country, and if you wanrmt it back you gotta pay like half of it. I don't know the details, I only know shit's tough and the situation changes only if you're very lucky.

We live in a day and age where the whole world is connected, where the Internet is a sea of opportunities and everything is possible no matter who you are... unless you're a guy who wants a drawing tablet at reasonable price. It's not that I lack the money, it's just that I don't wan to feel anally raped when paying so damn much for a medium sized tablet.

By the way, I probably wouldn't use the eraser. Keyboard ftw.

[Anonymous No.2158457]

I tried :\

How long do folks usually spend on these?

[Anonymous No.2158462]

>>2158136
>>2158174
>>2158190

I tried to fix the face up a little. I'm not entirely sure what you meant by the head dress floating (the dark part above the forehead is supposed to be shadow, not the end of his head).

Did I fix most of the problems? Did I create new ones?

[Anonymous No.2158467]

Any glaring errors with it?

The things I know for sure is that I mucked up the perspective a bit and exaggerated certain values a bit too much.

[Anonymous No.2158469]

>>2158467
>putting the highlights on the palm

What were you thinking. It looks like you have jizz on your hand.

[Anonymous No.2158470]

>>2158469

The scanner kind of brought it out.

My skin has that sort of blood-flesh color that terminates in odd patches of white on the surface of my fingers.

I didn't realize how severe the white pencil was until I took photos. Under different light it looked much subtler. I'll have to be more attentive next time.

[Anonymous No.2158472]

>>2158467
the fingers on your hand only have one joint?

[Anonymous No.2158477]

>>2158472

Yeah. I lost the tip of my index finger (if that's what you're referring to) when it got caught in a door when I was seven.

...just kidding. Yeah, looking at it now (both the thumbnail and the full image, I need to push the shading a bit and shape on that second joint a bit more, and probably a bit more on the middle finger too. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.2158506]

I know I fucked up the anatomy on the right side, but I decided to shade for practice.
What else?

[Anonymous No.2158537]

>>2158409
Yep, lines describe form(at least, my understanding of it) and letters while may seem less necessary actually help to remember spine spline proportions, position of fins et cetera. I like to label shit.

[Anonymous No.2158540]

Gonna try to reply to people with no replies as best as I can...

>>2156487
Can't see anything.....

>>2157933
please spend more time drawing each shape...the sloppiness will hinder your progression

>>2156957
keep going

>>2157012
Not sure what book but 2B should be fine, you can use anything really, having other sizes might help though

>>2157593
It's extremely boring at the moment...Look up references for inspiration

>>2157831
keep going, might help to render the calves a bit differently, it looks really ugly that way, maybe study how other artists do it

>>2155683
try to take the pic from above the drawing...

[Anonymous No.2158575]

>>2158540
>please spend more time drawing each shape...the sloppiness will hinder your progression

thanks anon

[Anonymous No.2158579]

Does anyone have any good exercises to practice drawing simple volumes at any angle? videos or something from a book?

I'm trying to add things to my warm up so my fundamentals improve while I work from a book.

[Anonymous No.2158584]

>>2155694
They look flat.
Learn more perspective.

[Anonymous No.2158587]

I practiced a bit with a Milo Manara drawing while using Loomis.
I was thinking of redrawing it with a pen and using better shading techniques than the halfassed job I did.

[Anonymous No.2158603]

>>2155666
how do I anything

[Anonymous No.2158630]

>>2158540
>Can't see anything.....
Really, mang? Looks clear to me. Guess I'll try using black next time.

[Anonymous No.2158650]

>>2158584
how do I apply perspective to drawing faces?

[Anonymous No.2158659]

>>2158310
I use it. Depending on how you hold your pen, it isn't that bad. But yeah, you can use you keyboard.

>>2158447
If it's your first tablet, maybe go with the cheaper one, so you can try one. Drawing on a tablet is different than drawing with pen and paper, so you may not like it.

[Anonymous No.2158743]

>>2158650
Foreshortening and depth.

[Anonymous No.2158757]

I'm starting out following the drawabox thing and now the peter han master class, once thing I've noticed is drawing with your wrist is apparently capital sin? I understand that preferably you'd rather use your whole arm since it has more motion, but at the same time, when drawing small and tiny things, don't you want to use your wrist? it's easier than with my whole arm.

[Anonymous No.2158765]

>>2158757
You're meant to use the wrist only when it's the very fine details, but some people have controlled their arm+wrist movement to the point where it's the same. I honestly haven't used my wrist in drawing for quite some time. Even with fine details. I did have to practice my arm control for a month or two to reach good precision.

I don;t have any pics from when I began but my first arm drawing attempt looked like horseshit. Just practice nigga.

[Anonymous No.2158772]

Here's another shark to report in.
>>2158457
I spent over an hour on mine.

[Anonymous No.2158867]

digital art noob here but what do you mean by rendering?
I wanna get into digital painting and i don't know how or where to start

[Anonymous No.2158872]

>>2158867
Put down the tablet and focus on developing your fundies with pencil and paper for the next year or so.

[Anonymous No.2158886]

>>2158872
I switched from paper to tablet almost 4 years ago.
I've been doing the usual anime stuff all this time but I want to switch to something more productive :(

[Anonymous No.2158945]

>>2158540
>>2158630
Can anyone here see this or is it too light? My screen is tilted back when drawing these.
Also, would appreciate criticism/advice.

[Anonymous No.2158956]

>>2158457
this is decent.

>>2158603
you got there, it isn't perfect but u got there.

>>2158772
um I think you need more help than I can give in a short comment.

>>2158409
if u look at >>2155808
the lines were only to define the centre line and then the 3d form.
its just something you do till you can do it in your head. its not necessary to do too many.

[Anonymous No.2159009]

>>2158650
In Loomis' book "Drawing the Head and the Hands" it gets explained pretty well, I work with this at the moment and think it's very helpful.

[Anonymous No.2159024]

>>2157922
In front :/

[Anonymous No.2159039]

circled the part where I have trouble

[Anonymous No.2159049]

>>2159039
Study anatomy and learn how muscles interlock.

[Anonymous No.2159073]

>>2159039

there are 3 pectoral heads which overlap each other 1 is on the top and inserts half way down the humerus, 2 goes underneath 1 and attaches further up the humerus, 3 is below 1 & 2 and attaches at the top, so the 3 heads overlap and that's what causes that little dimple, and underneath that in blue you've got lats

[Anonymous No.2159078]

>>2155852
NOT ELLIPSES
N O T E L L I P S E S
O
T

and forget about ellipses, the cross contours don't even match the box.

[Anonymous No.2159092]

>>2159073
my head is full of fuck but I'll keep pushing
thanks for the advice

[Anonymous No.2159107]

>>2159092
you should probably nevermind complex anatomy for now, rather just learn to construct and measure properly. see pic related, the abs actually describe a V shape rather than the sort of parallel shape you drew, also measure:
> space between hands and torso vs width of the hips
> compare: size of the left and right 'boob'
> size of his balls, you really gave them a lot of love in your drawering

for quick gesture and anatomy studies i'd suggest using pencil and paper, but if you feel confident on a tablet by all means stick with it.

[Anonymous No.2159108]

>>2159107
>see pic related
i forgot pic related, of course.

[Anonymous No.2159112]

>>2158945
>tfw gestures are so bad no one will comment

[Anonymous No.2159117]

>>2159112
it's just a bit nondescript, and messy. skill wise probably above average here, but the way you delivered it is a bit boring. next time crop out everything save a few good ones, use thicker lines (maybe just copy and merge the layers if you're using photoshop)

[Anonymous No.2159136]

>>2159117
It is messy, but I thought it would be best to show my entire workflow than to show a select few. That way there's more to see because sometimes I'm better on others and completely shit on some like that pose in the bottom left. Also, would really like to know some better ways to gesture in general.

>above average here
t-thanks
Going to move onto mannequinization now. Hogarth's book has really helped me.

Also, to that Anon who told me my anatomy looked like horse anatomy. Thank you, you really inspired me to get off my ass.

[Anonymous No.2159140]

>>2159136
>but I thought it would be best to show my entire workflow than to show a select few
yeh fair enough, just make the res higher or the lines clearer next time, gotta have something to see before we can judge

[Anonymous No.2159141]

>>2157552
Any more info on your character?

From a visual standpoint... there really isn't much speaking to his character at all. Just a guy in a tank top and shorts that is upset looking.

[Anonymous No.2159152]

>>2159140
>res higher
see a lot of people complain about muh resize so decided to stick with the one I work in and cropping out white blanks.

Did the merging thing though, definitely more visible now.

[Anonymous No.2159161]

>>2158540
Thanks, anon! I'm a complete beginner at rendering; just gotten my first professional pencil set.

[Anonymous No.2159183]

>>2159152
i know, i know, i'll shut up lol. definitely more visible now. some of them are real nice, the hands are a bit awkward but u kno, just keep on keeping on

[Anonymous No.2159192]

>>2157012
B and 2B are my favourites for sketching; if you want to do realistic rendering then the more the merrier. a full pencil set isn't expensive anyways, i'd get one if i were you. generally speaking the softer a pencil is the darker it will appear.

i like your drawing

[Anonymous No.2159219]

>>2158650
Think of the head as a cube. If it's tilted one way everything on the head will also tilt that way. The head is probably easiest to do but don't worry if you fuck up. They're a saying in Japan that is basically "even experts make mistakes".

[Anonymous No.2159225]

got kind of inspired by OPs picture and wanted to draw a shark. used reference. if anyone wants to see this mess without the weeb influenced shit i can deliver.

[Anonymous No.2159233]

What can I improve?

[Anonymous No.2159314]

>>2159233
faces and poses, she looks like falling over

[Anonymous No.2159327]

>>2159233
Hips are too broad, calves too bulgey and torso is way too short.
Especially the side view, too bold of a back curve. Ease that up a bit, elongate the whole torso and I think it'll be quite good.

[Anonymous No.2159333]

>>2155666
Can someone tell me how to improve this? Something looks so off and fake about it. Whenever I add hair without a reference picture it turns out looking so unreal.
I purposely didn't shade the face btw. Is it the shading or..
also the placement of the left eye isn't right, it's too far to the left. But I feel like there's something else weird about this.
Some general tips on hair and faces would be welcome as well.

[Anonymous No.2159334]

>>2159225
added some value to it

[Anonymous No.2159335]

>>2159327
>>2159314
Sweet thanks

[Anonymous No.2159341]

Hey /ic/, usual lurker reporting in.
I have a quick question I hope someone can help me with, Ive just gone from pencil sketching to using a tablet (mostly because i want to use color without spending shit loads of money and eventually use it to paint) however ive run into the problem of really not knowing what to use as far as brushes go. I want to do simple anime sketches for the time being just to get a better feel of using a tablet.
tl;dr: What brushes do i use to get clean lines for drawing on a tablet

[Anonymous No.2159348]

standard round brush with pressure sensitivity should do it in most cases. why dont you play around and customize your brushes yourself, thats the best option imo.

[Anonymous No.2159355]

>>2158052
You mean this one? In this diagram he combines perspective one point view(on the centre) with all formal jizz with side view(in teal) in that mode center view line becomes picture plane.
It's essentially how you did your station point flattening projections before only now another viewport(side) is added. So it''s simultaneously perspective view, station point formal view AND side view all combined into single image.

[Anonymous No.2159359]

>>2159334
Push them values nigga.

[Aspiring shitty artist No.2159368]

Hey. I'm new to /ic/ so I'm not sure how this works but I was hoping yall could give me some pointers as I learn how to draw. Anyways. Here is my most recent sketch. Please criticize it and let me know what o could have done better and possibly any "drills"I can do to improve. Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.2159373]

>>2159368
Well, you didn't lay down the foundation to guide you. I'd say watch Proko.

[Anonymous No.2159376]

>>2159368
Get Keys to drawing from the book thread and di all the exercises in it,

[Anonymous No.2159401]

Finished the lineart on this, any glaring errors before I continue?

[Anonymous No.2159538]

>>2159359
enough pushing? :^)

[Anonymous No.2159552]

>>2158579
>>2158579
anyone?

[Anonymous No.2159564]

>>2159401
Quick update before I go to sleep, a friend showed me shading using the Brush tool (mine didn't work for some reason before he fixed it)
Lots of fun, feel like I'm learning a lot more as I draw

[Anonymous No.2159576]

Anatomy study from imagination.

[Anonymous No.2159583]

>>2159576
You should learn the origins and insertions of the muscles rather than just their general forms. Things in there are very misplaced at the moment.

[Anonymous No.2159587]

>>2155694
have you tried not copying sinix

[happy trees No.2159624]

[Anonymous No.2159625]

>>2155702

I've found in my own experience that at least doing some value work can turn a flat looking piece into something with more depth pretty quickly. Introducing a little shadow and highlight can make people notice shape a lot better. It's like if you look at a circle vs a shaded sphere.

[Anonymous No.2159630]

>>2159576
It's not a study if it's from imagination. Go look at some photographs or take a life-drawing class that has a live model.

[Anonymous No.2159637]

>>2159630

Lots of people on /ic/ seem to have this bizarre idea that studies are just copying photographs.

[Anonymous No.2159672]

>>2158956
>you got there, it isn't perfect but u got there.
Hey, thanks anon. I'm wondering what should I work on based on that though

[Anonymous No.2159751]

>>2155666
Give me critiques I've been drawing for like 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.2159752]

>>2159751
gimme critiques part 2

[Anonymous No.2159765]

>>2159637
studies are generally preliminary works meant to explore an idea or focus on some particular aspect of an idea with the help of reference material, either a photo or from life. this is to work out the potential problems and learn a bit about what it is you are about to try and create before diving into creating something from the imagination. generally a "study" form the imagination is not a considered a study for this reason.

also, this is not at all a "bizarre" idea and is a basic concept dating back at least to the renaissance.

[Anonymous No.2159780]

I need some help, I know its a wip but it probably needs something that I'm missing

[Anonymous No.2159785]

>>2159780
Can you be just a little more specific? Seems like it's coming along just fine to me.

If you want to make it pop a bit more try toning your background. Drawing on straight white blows out the rest of your colors because there's nothing to set up a good contrast of light and dark. Just set a layer beneath your drawing to like 50% gray.

[Anonymous No.2159789]

>>2159780
not really too much off if you were going for an interpritation, not a 100% accurate . theres a good sense of depth in here. I'd just keep rendering it, but that could be because your better than me so I don't have much to say

[Anonymous No.2159796]

>>2159785
I dunno, I'm just used to shit being wrong and me being too stupid to see it.

also thanks, working on that now. I forgot that I erased with white so now I have to fix it

[Anonymous No.2159854]

Question

I'm a starter (can draw, can paint, but just deviantart tier) and I'm reading loomis and watching some tutorials in order to improve.

Do I just read one book at a time (Loomis) or should I make a weekly schedule and mix my knowledge with color theory/other masters? (Vilppu for example)

[Anonymous No.2159861]

>>2159780
shade according to the 3d form. you're thinking of everything as stacked 2d shapes right now

[Anonymous No.2159879]

Sometimes I try to draw something and it feels hopeless, but then I come back later and its much easier. Is this normal? Should I be able to get things right most of the time on the first shot or am I expecting too much of myself as a beginner? I feel discouraged.

[Anonymous No.2159882]

I am trying to draw this but the shading job is so delicate and smooth, I am having trouble recreating it. I am using just a 2b pencil, do I need more tools? If not how do i git gud like this guy?

[Anonymous No.2159893]

I started working through Hampton's Figure Drawing book just recently. Am I using too many lines?

[Anonymous No.2159894]

Can I get some critique on my shark? I messed up a lot of it.

[Anonymous No.2159895]

>>2159879
I do the same thing. Just try not to put to much pressure on yourself. Try to stay chill and just have fun while you draw. Enjoy yourself.

[Anonymous No.2159901]

my phones camera is really shit
but thoughts so far?

[Anonymous No.2159902]

>>2159882
>2B
That's why. Get yourself an HB, and probably an H or 2H. Delicate and smooth graphite drawings come from:
-Keeping a sharp lead
-Many layers of lead put down with a light touch, either with circular motions or lines very close together and in the direction of the form (like crosshatching)
-Cleaning up "specks" and inconsistincies in tone by dabbing lightly with a kneaded eraser
-Layering your graphite to smooth everything out. Fill the spaces in the paper with your softer leads (B) and then go over them again with harder (H). You'll fill in the little specks more each time and get it smooth. Don't worry too much about that though.
>Only layering leads anywhere in the order of 6B - HB - 6H. Basically, you can put an HB over a B, and an H over that, a higher number H over that one, but don't jump around in the same spot. Putting a B over an H will make your drawing look shit and waxy.

By the way, not to bash your tastes or anything but that guy is okay at best. Honestly isn't that great. It's a very rough sketch that shows a process, yes, but that needs a lot more work to be even close to gud.

[Anonymous No.2159905]

>>2159902


Thanks for the advice.

Can you show me a picture of shading that you would consider gud?

[Anonymous No.2159908]

A thirty minute sesion of figure drawing.
Any sugestions? Am I on the right track?

[Anonymous No.2159924]

>>2159908
Looks pretty aight, minor problems here and there, but overall keep at it.

[Anonymous No.2159927]

>>2159905
Stuff like this. It's difficult to find good graphite-only still lifes around though. Because you can't get graphite extremely dark from the nature of the material, people tend to add in charcoal in places. Values are relative to each other though so really it's not hard to work around.

Still lifes in graphite are a bitch but they're worth it for the technique gains.

[Anonymous No.2159929]

Im still working on these, can I keep going through this using imagination, should I look at real 3d models?

[Anonymous No.2159934]

>>2159780
work on your values. first i thought his claws were some kind of thigh pads / plates. its either because of the value or the positioning of the arm / claw. i'd recommend working in greyscale first and applying color later on.

[Anonymous No.2159935]

Where did you guys learn how to apply shadows and light and greyscale coloring?

[Anonymous No.2159938]

>>2159924
Thanks! Will do

[Anonymous No.2159940]

>>2159901

[Anonymous No.2159941]

>>2159893
I'm seeing too many useless lines that add nothing. If you want to add more depth to those limbs, actually focus on making sure it's angled to the correct degree. Those surface lines will add nothing since it's not correctly placed.

Another thing is that it seems as if you're just placing in lines quickly rather than observing first and making a visual guide of where to lay the lines. Just know that drawing fast isn't a good thing if you don't know anything. People who do draw fast good started by drawing slow early with everything in mind.

[Anonymous No.2159985]

new bread?

[Anonymous No.2159994]

about 40 mins. I'm trying to learn to choose colours without the colour picker/eye drop tool. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.2160035]

>>2159929
Using real 3D models can be useful for reference. The line quality is quiet terrible, practice Week 1 of Peter Han's line exercises every day to get the hang of things. But sure to do it traditional and on pen.

[Anonymous No.2160066]

>>2159985
okay hold on... working on it.

>>2159994
nice colour study anon.

I cant really comment on everyones sharks, im not a teacher.

[Anonymous No.2160088]

okay heres the NEW THREAD

>>2160087
>>2160087
>>2160087

hope its to your liking.

[Anonymous No.2160119]

>>2159941
Thanks! I thought gestures were supposed to be done quickly so I rushed them, I'll start paying more attention to the lines now.

[Anonymous No.2160353]

>>2159576
put more form in the abductors and vastus medius
but its nice!