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So what do you think about Stan Prokopenko?

>> No.2134649

shit

>> No.2134656

>>2134645

he is an awesome dude, and awesome teacher and a fantastic draughtsman. but not that good of a painter imo.

>>2134649
you have to say why shitdick. else what's the point?

>> No.2134668

>>2134649
Why is this board so vulgar?

>> No.2134680

>>2134668
It's filled mostly with angsty teens/young adults who have anger or jealousy issues, and feel they can get away with it because it's 4chan and they are anonymous. Mix those in with a few trolls and you have a pretty vulgar board.

>> No.2134682

filthy slav like the rest of em

>> No.2134683

>>2134645
He does not paint muh fantasy and scifi art and he also doesn't seem like an alpha in anyway shape or form so i can't really respect him as a person or a professional.

however as a draftsman and teacher he is ok. better than most actually. but i feel like he appeals to people to the same age or mind set as the kids who would watch blues clues or dora. I mean most people who would find his channel are adults and i personally don't like the way he runs his show but im sure there is a niche that does.

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>>2134683
>also doesn't seem like an alpha in anyway shape or form so i can't really respect him as a person or a professional

>> No.2134695

>>2134683

personally he seems like the kind of guy who's into hardcore BDSM but too sexually repressed to actually engage in it

>> No.2134708
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2134708

I like his paintings..

>> No.2134719

he's the pewdiepie of art teachers

in all seriousness though the guy is a really good teacher but I hate how some of his videos are presented

>> No.2134778

>>2134682
Looks like /pol/ is out in force today...
Nobody like you /pol/. Nobody.

>> No.2134786

>>2134778

Most people have a bit of /pol/ in them but they keep it to themselves. You're in the minority.

>> No.2134787

>>2134682
>still angry about jews enforcing gay marriage around the US
How's /pol/ and /b/ been for you today

>> No.2134793

>>2134786
Nobody.

>> No.2134796

>>2134787
>>2134793

ragin'

>> No.2134812

>>2134680

>hurr sure people be jelly

Everyone fucking says this shit but I have yet to see proof anyone honestly gets jelly. Sure you get trolls but people who are jealous? Fucking seriously? Are there that many preteen girls here like come the fuck on.

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>>2134812

>hurr

>> No.2134824

>>2134814

I'm just asking for proof that people are really being jelly faggots and not just assholes trolling. I always hear it bit I never see it.

>> No.2134835

Not a good painter?????????? Cmon seriously, I can understand that people on /ic/ may not like his painterly style, but I honestly don't see how anyone can say he is not a good painter............

>> No.2134871

>>2134778

>full first name is literally Stan-is-slav

>> No.2135040

>>2134824
there's bound to be some people who are jealous, and a lot are trolls. Problem is Poe's law. You eventually will get idiots actually thinking that way and becoming legitimately bitter and jealous. The gullibility of most people is amazing at times. see /pol/, /r9k/, and anyone who falls for SS+GOMAD on /fit/ for examples.

>> No.2135187

He was a better teacher before people started telling him how funny he was and he started padding his videos out with skits.

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>>2134835
His pretty low level when you compare him to Jeff.

>> No.2135196

>>2135194
lel. flip the canvas

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>>2135196

>> No.2135249

>>2135194

Well no shit, Stan is younger than Jeff.

>> No.2135302

>>2135194
I don't like Jeffs work at all, It is technically sound (in a way)

But there is very little emotional melody to any of his pieces. He is a surgeon who tells the patients relatives that the operation was a success but the patient died.

>> No.2135308

He's a manlet which means he's compensating for his short height with his drawing skills.

>> No.2135326

>>2135308
/fit/ pls go

>> No.2135338

>>2135308
what? i always assumed stan was like 6ft or something.

>> No.2135392

>>2135338

He's 5'11", the most manlets of manlets. Hitler would have gassed him before the Jews that's how bad of a manlet he is.

>> No.2135414

I am checking out his tutorials on yt right now and he seems like he knows his shit. I will try learning from him and loomis books. His sense of humor can get cringy but it helps lighten up the mood.

>> No.2135416

>>2135326
>/fit/
Have you heard of a fun new board called /pol/?

>> No.2135428

he is good only when he has something infront of him to copy. do this guy really know anatomy? i dont think so, he only look at photos and repeat what he sees.

he need to paint something original, from the mind, from imagination. using reference should be secondary. you should only use reference when you need to. not copy from it.

>> No.2135472

He's shit.
Watch Sakimichan's tutorial instead.

>> No.2135477

>>2135428
He's a fine artist, he doesn't have the same goals with his art you do, you ignorant fuck.

>> No.2135488

>>2135428
lol, I love this kind of critique because you just know that most people behind it can neither "copy" from reference nor create themselves, its bullshit and extremely one sided because unless you have access to a lot of life models you can hardly know anything about anatomy if you dont copy anatomy and proportions from photos or other drawings/paintings.

Of course you should aspire to learn from it, to observe and fill your mind with information but saying that the use of reference makes "art" less worthy is plain retarded.

>> No.2135490

>>2135488
>>2135477
the dubs of truth

>> No.2135492

>>2135392
>tfw 5'8"

>> No.2135501

>>2135392
fucking american height measurements, cant you guys adapt to the metric one, I mean just out of your own will, its so much more detailed and precise and also logical it would blow your mind.

>> No.2135504

>>2135199
While the technique is very good, her head is huge and her face seems asymmetrical.

>> No.2135508

>>2135392
5 something 11 tells me shit, you uneducated apes.

>> No.2135530

>>2135504
faces are assymetrical bro, of course there are faces that are really close to being symmetric but most are not. I have not paid proper attention to hers but your statement seemed to need some reply

>> No.2135531

>>2135194
is this digital or traditional? I dont like it but it would be impressive if this would be digital

>> No.2135540

>>2135531
If you can't tell what it is you should quit now

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>>2135196
>>2135194

>> No.2135562

>>2134645
hes a great guy, with lots of info to share...

>> No.2135575

>>2135562

/ic/ logic dictates that you can only learn from absolute masters and anyone with flaws in their art means that they're shitty teachers.

In reality they just need to be better than you with the ability to articulate something you don't know or in a new way that might help you understand better.

>> No.2135590

>>2135194
I don't know why, but she looks like a guy in a dress and a make up.

>> No.2135669

>>2135549
her mouth is floating away

>> No.2135731

>>2135540
Fuck off! I am fairly certain it's traditional, but there are digital paintings I've seen that are extremely traditional looking with different brushes

>> No.2135800

>>2134683
>he also doesn't seem like an alpha in anyway shape or form so i can't really respect him as a person or a professional.

Alphas don't waste time on an anonymous board. They are too busy conversing with normal people, being charismatic, and stacking paper. That makes Proko more alpha than /ic/ by default. Stop being an angsty faggot and do something with your life anon.

>> No.2135809

>>2134719
Underrated post

>> No.2135857

>>2134645
I learned and continue to learn a bunch of stuff from Proko. I'm always studying all ways I can these days.

>> No.2135974

>>2135800
lol if only you knew nigga.

>> No.2135976

>>2135302
you should check out his work and watch him work in person.

I see what you are saying but i think it's mostly that his skill level is so damn advanced.

>> No.2135979

>>2135976
in other words most people eyes are not trained high enough to appreciate his work.

>> No.2135980

>>2134645
He learned at one of the best ateliers so it's no surprise his amazing.

>> No.2135985

>>2135531
>it would be impressive if this was digital.

wut

>> No.2135987

As a beginner I found his tutorials a really good accessible introduction to fundamental stuff.

His sense of humor can be a bit cringeworthy but I think it has a weird kinda charm to it.

>> No.2135988

>>2135040
This is probably how the Loomis worship started as well.

>> No.2135989

>>2134824

There's no real way to prove that someone's experiencing an emotion, this should be obvious. However, it can be easy to see signs of it in the way people behave regarding certain people, usually successful people. See the regular Sakimichan (or however her name is spelled) threads where legions of people will whine "b-but she doesn't DESERVE her success!" and some even actively try to sabotage it. You need to be pretty butthurt and vindictive to do that.

>> No.2135995

>>2135040
nah i mean i know this will sound elitest or what ever but prokos work just feels generic technically sound sure but he doesn't have that extra thing that makes his art his.

I mean that self portrait looks like a poor jeremy lipking.

>> No.2136058

>>2135562
FOR YOU!

>> No.2136060

>>2135985
I mean it would be impressive due to all the different brushstrokes and shit, I know that there are ways to reproduce those in digital but it seems extremely hard to do so.

The picture itself is pretty shit

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2137543

>Proko 2004

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOorjFsGNKU

>> No.2137567

>>2137543
Holy shieeeeeetttt

>> No.2137569

>>2137567
>Implying you could do any better.

>> No.2137575

>>2137543
Good to know that he was always weird as fuck

>> No.2137591

>>2137543
Now I know where his sense of humor came from...

>> No.2137617

>>2134645
I love Stan, he's a cute sorta odd dork and that makes him more fun. He seems to genuinely enjoy what he does

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>>2134645
he taught me how to do a nice head

>> No.2137823

I think the problem with Proko and Jeff's work is that it feels overly engineered. Like they're trying so hard to have nice brushy strokes and focusing so much on that that other things lose priority.

A bunch of digital artists have the same thing going on with the pseudo-painterly thing where they put down random strokes to look good. If you ever watch JJ paint you can see he goes slow as hell because he thinks about every stroke and it's direction and meaning before he puts it down. It's not trying to look painterly, it's just about good brush economy.

Sargent wasn't trying to be painterly, he was being efficient.

>> No.2137830

>>2137823
This is a valid point. I think though that you underestimate a bit about Sargent and Jaime...yes, they paint slow, and yes, they think a lot. But they also are unafraid to repaint a section as often as necessary. Sargent repainted Mme X's face at least 8 times according to x-rays, and there's accounts of his sitters quitting on him after he scraped the paint off the canvas after 14 sessions. Jaime also is known to obliterate entire sections he spent ages on if he isn't 100% satisfied, and will repaint it from scratch to get that economical efficiency instead of overworking that area.
I can't say for certain since I haven't seen them work, but I would guess that neither Jeff nor Stan are this brutal on their own work and willing to restart whole sections (even focal points).

>> No.2137951

>>2137543
what the fuck man

>> No.2137958

>>2137823
>he goes slow as hell because he thinks about every stroke and it's direction and meaning before he puts it down
But that is exactly what Jeff does but not as slow. If you don't have the money to watch his stuff then check out the Watts Friday Night Workshops on their youtube channel. I draw with it in the background because he likes to share how he thinks and does things and it's relaxing in general.

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>>2135472
lol'ed

>> No.2138078

>>2134680
the more likely conclusion, artist is shit

>> No.2138083

>>2138078
He isn't though. He's pretty good. There's a pretty big difference difference between "not the best" and "shit".

>> No.2138084

>>2138083
>pretty big difference difference between "not the best" and "shit".
not really when you compare to the masters

>> No.2138087

>>2138084
Literally nobody compared him to any master.

>> No.2138110

>>2138087
Don't ya know? This is /ic/. Where people complain that you are shit if you aren't old master level. And if you are one of the best on the planet at this very moment, you still aren't old master level. Also the old masters were shit too.

>> No.2138112

>>2138110
I've seen some people hate on Caravaggio, too.

>> No.2138119

Theres alot of concepts you can learn from Proko.

Keeping an open mind is incredibly important when learning as well; but it doesn't surprise me that certain people on /ic/ will dismiss anything that will require actual effort to learn and train with.

>> No.2138123

>>2138112
People at various points here have shit on pretty much every famous master.

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>>2135530
For a painting, drawing the face asymmetrical is a poor technique for an artist. Even if he used reference, copying mistakes on the human face isn't good.
Facial symmetry has been shown to have an effect of ratings of attractiveness in human faces. More symmetrical faces are perceived as more attractive in both males and females.

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>>2138131
>>2135530
It's just part of his weird style for whatever reason.

Watts Atelier is very strict on perfection.

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>>2138131
>Copying mistakes on the human face
>nature, what is actually there
>a mistake if you're drawing realism

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>>2138136
>realism, cuz we dont already have copymachines
>Yes there are mistakes in nature, humans are one of them

An artist should strive to make a picture as good as they can make it, your an artist not a copymachine. Change the mistakes you see in nature to what is pleasing to the eye.
If you're drawing a landscape would you also draw the utility poles that cross its path?
If you wanted to draw a portrait would you draw someone who was deformed?

>> No.2138140

>>2138138
I do art not because I want to make "idealized" images, but because I want to be able to interpert what is actually there. I would for sure do a portrait of a deformed person, why not?

Beauty is a part of art, and a great goal to strive to, but those little "mistakes" can give the picture it's uniqueness and meaning.

>> No.2138143

>>2138138
An artist shouldn't be bound by one vision imo. There is no wrong in choosing to portray what is actually there or what isn't.

>> No.2138145

>>2138140
>>2138143
Fair enough

>> No.2138146

>>2138138
>>2138140
>>2138143
>>2138145

>reasonable and amicable disagreement on /ic/

Holy shit.

>> No.2138148

>>2137543
4:35 blatant fucking racism. so disgusting!

>> No.2138176

>>2135477
this

>> No.2138251

i'm thinking of doing the watts online school, i wouldn't even know about watts if not for proko

>> No.2138256

>>2138251
I wish I had that type of money.

>> No.2138279

>>2135988
pretty much considering it sounds EXACTLY like SS worship on /fit/. The advice in the books is decent but it's certainly nothing to worship. It's a shame because so many starters come here and fall right into it and never develop their skills beyond that.

>> No.2138296

>>2138279
>never progress "beyond that"
>implying even a tenth of the users of /ic/ actively study Loomis, Vilppu or any of the rest

Most of us know how to get good (Loomis, Huston, Vilppu etc.), and thanks to what little study we do we might be perceptive to know what makes something good, but our lethargy prevents us from actually becoming good ourselves let alone "progressing beyond Loomis".

You're naive af.

>> No.2138303

>>2138296
no, I'm well aware of how little people actually draw or practice here. But no one outside this board is going to be preaching "Loomis Loomis Loomis" in criticisms like most of the fags here do. Oh sure, they get recommended, a large number of art professors recommended Vilppu to me, but no one with any decent experience in art outside of here is going to treat that as the end all be all.

If anyone's naive it's pretty much this entire board believing that bullshit.

>> No.2138314

>>2138303
I practice 4 hours a day. Is that considered bad?

>> No.2138336

>>2138314
How long have you been doing it for and how good are you now?

>> No.2138344

>>2138336
Since March, went from stickmen to pretty nice gestures. Still have a hard time drawing a figure from imagination.

>> No.2138349

>>2138344
post art pls. i'm genuinely curious as to the degree of progress than can be achieved in 3 months.

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>>2138148
Calm your tits. He's a race traitor actually.

>> No.2138474

>>2138473
Didnt know he was into traps.is she from thailand?

>> No.2138475

>>2138473
> qt asian trap gf
>making money with his art

If Scroto Slavinski can do it, so can we.

We're all gonna make it brahs.

>> No.2138481

>>2138475

That is not qt

>> No.2138622

>>2134708

If there could be a Metro 2033 picturebook, I'd like him to do the art.

>> No.2138625

>>2135669
Nah, she just has sort of a stilted posture, it's almost as if her neck is a bit forward with an arched back. She's looking off which gives that "/" look.

>> No.2138630

>>2134645
>>2134708

His style reminds me of Aleksandr Petrov's animated work. Though, it seems like Stan keeps to oil on canvas.

>> No.2138661

>>2138473
Ever since that intro anatomy video he posted, I assumed he was a banana crammer

>> No.2142083

>>2138481
of course not it's a chink.

>> No.2142089

>>2137569

This has never and will never invalidate criticism.

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>>2138131

You're just assuming that everyone is obsessed with making their drawings as hot as possible.

Which reminds me. Why did this fucking hack draw himself balding instead of adding hair like any good artist would?

>> No.2142102

>>2142091
We already went through this

>>2138138
>>2138140
>>2138143
>>2138145

Read the thread before posting next time.

>> No.2142145

>>2134645
He's a cool guy. Don't like all of his stuff but he still shares his knowledge for free and is quite scrubfriendly from what I've seen.

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>>2142091

>Which reminds me. Why did this fucking hack draw himself balding instead of adding hair like any good artist would?

>> No.2142709

He's good.

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>>2134812
>I need proof people get jelly

>> No.2142775

>>2134835
For these people there are two levels: best or bad